I don't get the hate.I live in Spain. I have easy access to Vallejo, AK, GSW, SC75 and AMMO/IONIC. I tested a lot of them.I also tested new WPF formula, Pro-acryl (my god this ones is shitty, influencer slop) and TTC.GW paints are the ones I enjoy the most. I ACTUALLY PREFER POTS (specially for contrast). Pots don't clog, I can choose how much paint I want and look COOLER.PIC related is the best white on the market (pro-acryl white my ass). Insane coverage, the most important quality for the vast majority of painters along vibrancy of colour. Srsly why the hate? Are you poor?
>>98260927In my experience the pots are annoying to open, I prefer dropper bottles in all cases except washes and contrast
>>98260927>harder to use for airbrush than dropper bottles>price is premiumI believe the hate is mostly from people crying about GW, because GW loves to sell overpriced shit like their mediums, brushes, technical paints etc.
>>9826092Agreed. People who choose their tools based on brand loyalty/hate are just dumb.I like many Vallejo shades, but I've had enough Vallejo model color bottles clog that I know I don't prefer them. Other brands have better droppers. I prefer them over GW pots, but I still have a couple of favourite colours from GW.I haven't used GW white since it was called skull white, so I honestly wouldn't know about Corax. I might try it, if you say it's good.
>>98260927Pots waste a ton of paint over time.
>>98260927>Are you poor?GW is the budget option as I very rarely finish whole pots of anything that isn't a wash or texture paste. Price per ml is basically irrelevant. Pro Acryl and Two Thin Scams are the more money than sense brands.
>>98260927They're ass, the pots are ass, it's made for retards like all gw products.
>>98260927They are good. So are Army Painter, Vallejo, AK, and more at a cheaper price and without a dumb bottle design.
>>98260927Never had metallic paints with better coverage than citadel ones
>>98260927That’s a lot of words for bait but you put effort in so I’ll bite.>why the hateMost of gw’s hobby products are overpriced to a laughable degree.The pot designs are bad. Tamiya pots made me realize paint pot designs could be better. The screw lid seal is a working concept that didn’t need change.>are you poor I’m not a middle eastern oil baron do I am poor.Can we see your paint collection to know you’re speaking from experience here?
>>98261246Which is the point.They had a former GW product designer talk on one of the random youtubes and that's a feature they're okay with so you buy more paint.Same reason why they'll never do a wet palette, they want you to keep buying.
>>98260927>I don't get the hate.The pots suck and they have nonsense names.I prefer the company I buy from to actually organize the colors instead of trying to mislead the consumer.>Pro-acryl (my god this ones is shitty, influencer slop)ah, you're just a retard or a shill lol
Y'all niggers postin in a troll thread
>>98261622I knew it. Can you remember anything else? I *need* to make a clip of that.
>>98261070>airbrushPost models.
>>98262569we need (you)s for the (you) throne
>>98262238>PRO ACRYL ARE SO GOOD MAN IM TELLING YOU>CHECK OUT THE NEW RANGE OF [INSER BRAND] THEY ARE MUCH BETTER THAN GW
>>98260927It's a straw man mostly. Nobody hates the paint. But you don't get the paint for free, nor without the shitty pot, and those two are the things that drag them down. If they were similarly priced as the competition and if they had a dropper bottle or at least a good pot, it would be a different story entirely
>>98261572Shitty finish though. Large flakes of mica just don't shine like real metal in good quality metallics (vallejo, scale 75).
>>98262817Post models with time stamp. Let's see if the ¨finish¨ is something that 99% of painters should care.
>>98262817>scale 75I do prefer Scale 75's metals. With some of them you just have to learn how to glaze.>vallejoTheir metal color line yeah.The new TMM line isn't much different than what Citadel currently offers in quality, just with a much expanded range.
>>98260927the pots suck. I don't live in a hot country but I still have to clean under the rim to seal and have to go through seldom used paints remixing them with water every so often to prevent them drying out. This makes me reluctant to buy paints I know I'll use infrequently.
>>98261341Army Painter is the budget option actually
I know this is a bait thread, however I'm going to waste my time and reply in earnest anyway. I do like a lot of GW paints, they also have a really good range of colours, they have good pigmentation on colours that are usually quite tricky to get good and their range of technicals, contrasts and washes are all really nice. GW is just overpriced for what it is however, but that can be said about basically all GW products, and FUCK GWS POT DESIGN, LITERAL GARBAGE DESIGNED TO BE FUCKING SHIT TO EXTRACT MORE MONEY FROM THEIR CUSTOMERS BECAUSE GW LITERALLY DESPISE US. Despite that personally I like using pots, I don't want to use a wet pallet and I don't own an airbrush so the fact that basically every other paint line has moved to dropper bottles is really annoying to me. I've started moving to using a mix of Tamiya paints (they're cheap, good opacity, best pot design on the market and lots of greens/browns/dull yellows/etc) and Coat d'arms paints, which are awesome, they've good a decent range of classic colours, the paint has really good coverage and pigmentation, the pots are a really good design. Yeah I love Coat d'arms, it's a shame that basically all the conversation around them is grogs circlejerking about how they’re "GW paints like when I was a little grogling" because it's just a great range of paints on its own merits, they're also very reasonably priced.
>>98263259>really good coverage and pigmentationThey are complete garbage on these two fronts wtf are you talking about? Enchanted Silver for example is practically unusable.
>>98263300>They are complete garbage on these two fronts wtf are you talking about? Enchanted Silver for example is practically unusable.Out of interest when did you try Coat d'arms? Because when looking at reviews for it I saw a lot of people talk about it having poor coverage etc, but my experience is the total opposite, it makes me wonder if they changed their formula at some point.
>>98263311About four years ago I think. I liked Ruby Red because while the coverage was awful, the consistency was fine so it was usable for slowly layering up a vibrant gradient. Everything else was bad though. Goblin green had really bad coverage but a thick consistency.
>>98263371>About four years ago I think.Interesting, yeah I've only started using Coat d'arms in the last 6 months or so, maybe give it another try if you want! I'll also have to check out Ruby Red, I've got to pick up a replacement for my GW Zandri Dust where the pot has caked up with gunk and is now drying out, FUCK.
>>98260927Retard.
>>98260927>>98262765>Pro-acryl (my god this ones is shitty, influencer slop)
You say you live in Spain so..Como cojones has podido probar las Pro Acryl si hasta hace muy poco eran prácticamente imposibles de conseguir en Europa continental? Puto retrasado. Si se te atascan los botes de Vallejo los pinchas con un mondadientes y arreglado. O es que no te da la mierda de cerebro que tienes ni para eso? Vergüenza me da que seas mi compatriota si eres así de imbecil.Y no te olvides de comerle la polla bien comida a GW la próxima vez que compres su mierda de pinturas, maricón.
I like P3, Reaper paints, the new Warpaints, and proacryll.
>>98267042I'm not OP, and also not Spanish, so I'll answer in English. You can get PA anywhere since shops like Alphaspel ship EU-wide (from within the EU), but it will cost 2-3x other brands. If you really want to waste money you can also order from the US and pay the import duties directly. Which means it's probably not worth it for what you get, but it's totally doable to test a few PA paints. So I don't find it particularly unbelievable that OP tried PA. There are other reasons for why this is a troll thread.
I wonder if the great artists of the Renaissance would whine about paints like this
>>98267554That’s kinda my point, swearing notwithstanding. They were a pain in the ass to get. I got mine when I traveled to the US or the UK. No one sells them directly here and last thing I know they have a warehouse in France now for EU exports. So I just so happen to be an unfortunate expert on that topic. The trolling is so obvious it hurts to see but I just wanted to tell OP how much of a lesser being he is.OP, me cago en tu puta madre gilipollas.
>>98260927They are good paints, they are put in obnoxiously bad bottles
They're all good. All of the popular paint brands are popular because they're good products. I've tried lots of them and they're all fine, and they're all within a small margin of each other. ALL of the tribalism regarding paint brand is just that: tribalism. People do this shit with everything.
>>98267738They probably did and probably just made their own paints because they are just that good.>>98267956My stuff is mostly Ak interactive borderlining on total Ak interactive.I got the bubble problem with new Vallejo and made the switch.But the real big reason I like Ak is because of their caps that seem to avoid splitting. Which is nice.
>>98267956To add to this: the vast majority of people is simply not at a skill level high enough to even recognise most of the differences between current hobby paint brands. They just repeat endlessly what they heard and read and saw online.
>>98267738No, they made their own paints. The easier things get, the more people whine about the things that aren’t easy
>>98263188Damn, wish I was back in 2016 with you bro.
>>98267738beggars can't be choosers. you're not a beggar, are you?
>>98268384>the vast majority of people is simply not at a skill level high enough to even recognise most of the differences between current hobby paint brandsreally telling on yourself with this one lol
>>98267956>tribalismI felt that.In my defense I practically swore off Vallejo after the reformulation and noticed it was too easy to produce paint bubble marks.This isn’t the case with citadel, Ak or even armypainter. Just Vallejo.I do hope the reformulation was mostly confined to game and model color.I want to try out the model wash fx and maybe some mecha color. But at the same time it feels like giving them a shot is wasted money now.
>>98260927I prefer the old citadel paints, just got back into the hobby and I find the new line of paints to not be as good
>>98267779Que te calles subnormal.Ve a verte un video de Angel Giraldez o de Jose Da Vinci donde te enseñen a pintar una miniatura en 10 horas.Así os pasa, que tenéis más cajas de minis sin pintar que miniaturas pintadas. Y luego os quejáis de que GW es muy caro jajajaja. Seguro que tienes más pinturas que miniaturas pintadas. Y seguro que las que tienes son una puta mierda hijo de puta.
>>98267554Pro acryl is utter influencer slop shit.Post models painted with pro acryl, let's see how special they are. The mini painting community do enjoy gaslighting themselves into thinking matte paints are the best (matte paint is literally graded as the lowest quality paint period by the coatings industry, the guys who make your paints), I prefer satin paints cause they’re categorically better according to paint science. To make a paint matte, you have to add a ton of fillers which have the (not) minor side effect of making all matte paints chalkier, less durable, harder to work with, have significantly less colour vibrancy and can’t even display some colours as intended. And cause they have to lower the amount of binder to make room for all the fillers, matte paints separate badly when thinned with water cause there’s not enough binder to hold the paint together (to be honest, even satin mini paint brands are guilty of skimping on binder too, just not to quite the same extent). Anyway, satin paints are smoother, more durable, easier to work with, can fully display vibrant pigments without dulling them down, and are generally better in every way.
>>98267042No puedes ser tan retrasado, pon pro acryl en la web de Goblin trader, hijo de la gran puta subnormal.Me cago en España, viva Inglaterra. Seguro que eres un gitano andaluz.
>Srsly why the hate?Little Timmy can't show off what a cool, free-thinking contrarian he is by shitting on some brand no one's ever heard of. So he goes for the Big One™, which in this case is GW.
>>98260927The paint is great, pots suck balls, and the company's politics suck even worse. Classic citadel pots were the best.
>>98260927>are you poorSpain is one of the poorest countries in western europe by oecd standards, I only ever see people from poorfag backgrounds who gloat about getting nickel and dimed rather than trying to save a few bucks here and there to make their money go further.
>>98260927I like Corax white but it's not a true white, you can see the difference on ol' Blarneus Malgar here. He's basecoated Corax and the edge highlights are in Pro Acryl titanium white.GW don't make a pure white or pure black as far as I can tell - Abbadon black is a chalkboard black. To this day I have no idea why.>>98263311NTA but I tried them a few years back and had the exact same issue. That was Ruby red too thinking about it so possibly the others are better.>>98260933It's six and two threes, I've had just as many dropper bottles go off as GW pots. It wastes paint transferring to the pallette (Use the back end of the brush for this, your bristles will thank you), but droppers waste paint because they tend to have a minimum amount they'll put out which leads to wastage when you only need a tiny bit. Plus they can jam up, the droppers can pop out and spill etc. I do prefer droppers on balance but it's not that huge a difference.Relatedly: why do not companies use those metal/plastic squeezy tubes?
>>98270443>satin paints are betterI need the most trustworthy sources for this.I am ready to look at my Ak paints in disgust if what you say is true about matte paints.I think the biggest appeal of matte paints for me is that I can gloss varnish and see what I missed that isn’t shiny and then ultra matte the model down to make sure it is extra ready for tabletop gaming.
>>98270903Corax isn't a pure white because its supposed to be used as a primer, so it contains chalk. Duh. Pure titanium whites are too slick to be used as a priming layer. That's basic artist knowledge.
>>98271006No. No teachy art theory. Bad anon.Kinda figured it had chalk in it and it's obviously it's a base layer but I didn't realise that was why
>>98270806I'm what they call here a * funcionario A1¨. Basically I'm a good among men. I can buy ANYTHING.
>>98270994Just compare any red from GW with any other brand (yes, even pro-acryl reds). The coverage-vibrancy is unmatched, only P3 comes close, with AP WPF being the wors (excessive white pigment).If you are a White Man, buy GW.
>>98260927the paint itself is fine its just the price and the form factor.
>>98271875pro-acryl white is stronger
This is the gayest marketing thread in a while. Try to sell me the Citadel clippers and glue next
Noob here, Tamiya dries way too quick and sticky on my brush but its also really thin so I'm never sure how much to wet my brush. It also dries very shiny so I find getting coats down very hard. Pic kinda related.Thank you for reading.
I miss when p3 paints were good.
>>98273166If paint is acrylic moisten amd wipe brush between stroke with damp kitchen sponge, that'll keep brush flowing. Rinse brush in cup of water occasionally.
>>98273213The new p3 are bad?
>>98270443The only way I can read your post is that you've simply never used the paints.
>>98271906Pro acryl white is a meme, just because influencers say so doesn't mea is true.99% of painter would be better using a nice pot of Corax White.
>>98273547No, they are the only brand that comes close or even surpass GW paints in some cases. Their browns are amazing. And some grays.
>>98274025>Saar brown>Gibs'me'dat brown>Dindu'nuffin dark brown>Bastard-beech brown>Numero-uno brown>Schizo rrat brown>Hoary grayI'm not sure if I like that last one, sounds too much like whore-y.
>>98274023I got both, pro-acryl is noticeably whiter. Corax looks almost gray by comparison.
>>98274713No use telling this to people who confidently hold opinions on products they've never touched.
I keep hearing people glazing Pro acryl bold titanium white so instead of shitting on it with no proof I simply bought some off eBay. It has yet to arrive but I am looking forward to testing it
>>98274927I’ve read posts that recommend thinning white acrylic paint in general with white ink instead of water.I’m not sure about that. But I hope pro acryl white is as good as people say because it gives the impression that pa white is just the easiest to work with white.
>>98274927Getting the right thinning consistency with PA paints is a bit different than others. The titanium white is as good as claimed, though it's not like other whites are bad. It won't change your painting or anything.>bought some off eBay.Have you bought lots of paints before off eBay? I'm never getting paints shipped to me again after Amazon gave me $60 of Armypainter paints completely wrecked by cold temps that they wouldn't take as a return. It wasn't even during winter, so it must've gotten fucked up some other time and just sat on the shelf.
>>98279550eBay, no, Amazon, yes, and they came fine. They were Vallejo though. I'd like to note, however, that there's a reason that Armypainter had to do a version 2 of all their lines of paints, they were hot garbage. If yours were v1 then I'm sorry to say it may not even be amazon's fault, you could have simply gotten a bad batch.
>>98279589They weren't v1s, the paints were damaged by temperature. It's very distinct when paints get fucked by the cold.Thanks for your input on buying stuff though. It's weird that eBay is generally a damn good storefront when buying thru small businesses (especially with electronics) but Amazon can be utter trash.
>>98260927>I don't get the hate.Are you retarded?>pots don't clogYes you are.
>>98270903>Abbadon black is a chalkboard black. To this day I have no idea why.There is never really a situation where you want to base coat something black. You want it to be a shade grayer than black so you can apply a wash and get some shading.
>>98260927>Pots don't clogI guess..
>>98279771That's not a clog that's a yummy snack
>>98260927Some of their colors are nice and have nice vibrancy, but overall the coverage, consistency, and delivery method are not very good.
>>98274927You just gotta use a relatively dry brush with pro acryl, dry pallete and generally no thinning is the way to go with them.
Since this is the paint brand thread how is Vallejo now?I switched to Ak after the reformulation in an autistic way where I just rid of my pre reformulation paint collection.It was just so stupidly easy to make bubble marks to the point it seemed defective and I was fighting the paint instead of working with it.In retrospect getting rid of my old vallejos was stupid but in my defense I think I gave them to a thrift store so someone probably benefitted from my retardation.I do hope the game and model colors were the only ones reformulated. Hopefully the mecha model color and the rest are okay.
>>98279758>There is never really a situation where you want to base coat something black.Metallics
>>98260927I tried to open on of these and sent paint flying all over my friend and I. Not a good day to wear white shirts.
>>98261244Not that anon, but I do think the corax white is one of the better ones around these days,best i've tried anyway. GWs Averland sunset is the best yellow just because it actually covers half decently and works great as a base for any bright yellow you want.But over all yeah I agree, brand loyalty is dumb shit. Theres a bunch of generally good brands that have their particular strengths and you'll have a better selection mixing across brands.
>>98261246My experience is the opposite. Droppers felt more wasteful, you can never just get a tiny bit out. While my GW pots have lasted ages, most approaching a decade old now and they're fine. I've only had to replace a few I've actually used up.
>>98283881near black vs true black isn't going to make a noticeable difference there either.
>>98284142That's 100% a skill issue stop smashing your droppers like a mongoloid
>>98283889>>98284142Kragnos over here trying to paint his own mini
>>98260927Nice Reddit spacing.
>>98284332I didn't even notice, but you seem like an expert on reddit.
>>98284142On the PA bottles you can. Twist the top and squeeze a bit out of the tip, then release the pressure so it sucks back in. Then you can close the top and you're left with a tiny dab of paint on the top to smear onto your palette.I generally just try to not worry about the amount of paint I waste because a bottle goes so far anyway for minis.
>>98273166Tamiya acrylics need some kind of solvent to thin them down properly. Just water alone won't cut it.
>>98283873Only problem I had with Vallejo is their scammy localized retailers on Amazon.They'll post a title and pictures for one paint and then send you another because the additional details section specifies a other paint all under the vendor name of Vallejo. If you contact them they say they'll fix it but it's also not their problem and then do nothing.
