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TqI bet a lot of 40k threads will be made about the reveals.Then the ai bot(s) prowling this board will demand models.I’ll be correct.
I ordered the Farsight Battleforce. God save my soul.
>Proper orks hate Deathskulls for taking things without fighting>Proper orks hate Bad Moons for being rich assholes>Proper orks hate Goffs for being too serious>Proper orks hate Blood Axes for being too humie>Proper orks hate Snakebites for not using explosives and loud gunsThe only true Orks are the Evil Suns.
The greatest 40k plot twist is the Primarchs were created to fuck Xenos and subjugate them. Guilliman will fuck the Eldar. Khan will fuck DEldar. Vulkan will take Ork WAAAG power inside him and become a Primeork by dicking them into submission. Manus' hands will turn out to be Necrodermis and he will return to violate the Necrons with their own metal. Just wait until the Genestealers infect the wrong Primarch who rapes them into submission and then dicks a whole Hive Fleet by himself.
>>98262240Propa Orks 'ate Evil Sunz 'cause they refuse to use the legs Gork n Mork gave 'em to run to the fight
>>98262216>Place your bets on today's revealsPreviews of Codex Space Marines. We officially learn that Oath of Moment is gone and Combat Doctrines return as the Space Marine faction rule. Nothing else is shown for 40K.
>>98262216I like orks :D
Post your predictions who's getting their Codexes first after Marines and Orks
>TQDark Eldar RefleshIt's a Dark Eldar upgrade sprue for fleshlights
>>98262256Yes and then the lost primarchs will return and they were always women to appeal to the female primarch coomers.It got so big there is now a 1d6chan article.
>>98262275Your mom
>>98262275Surprise Exodites drop
I have an idea for a squat League who are on an eternal "workcation", once a force of devoted miners in the cold mountains of their homeworld now sent on a centuries long journey to take a break by their ancestor core. Though they do take their time to relax in beautiful paradise worlds and have a margarita, their innate desire to get that spacebread usually cuts such endeavors short.They have hawaiian print armor that's it that's the joke they're all wearing stupid hawaiian shirts
>>98262216>TQSpace marines.
>>98262288Joke paint schemes are cringe because you are basically repeating the same exact joke every time you show them to someone.
>>98262275Rumor has it that chaos gets shafted for the first six codices. I think probably tau, nids, or a chapter for the first three.Admech get one of the last books because they get a new wave
>>98262291Anon are you a wizard able to see into the future and come back with accurate predictions?Will Henry Cavil’s Warhammer Amazon show make wh40k as popular as LOTR when the movies were coming out? Or Harry Potter back in it’s prime or even GOT?
>>98262226I just received mine in the mail, still haven't finished my combat patrol ecksdee elemayo. Getting into the hobby, I tried to promise myself that I'd build before buying new sets but I fomo'd the twin lance at the end of the edition and am sitting on nearly 1k points of in-box kits
>>98262299let me think HRRNGNNGNGIt will be popular among normies and casual fans but dedicated nerds will be frustrated by how safey the grimdarkness is and the minor lore inconsistencies needed to make the story function. The ost is the most nothingburger church choir AAAAOOOOOAAAA and Cavil removes his helmet at least twice each episode and somehow never gets shot in the head.But he does get a chest wound and you're baited into thinking he dies or gets interred into a dreadnought but he's ok :)40k will never surpass LOTR
>>98262295If Tau get a new codex this early in the edition I'm gonna shit myself, we better get more fucking detachments bc I'm really not looking forward to three decent options on 2k points.
>>98262216>TQnew AoS ogorsbig necromunda box w/ two gang refreshesmaybe pre-painted necromunda terrain based on the OG 90s card stuffnew rhinonew land raidernew trukknew battlewagon>>98262275tau and deathguard first two. then shocker twist codex: ultramarines with new gorillaman and reprint of dark imperium
Should I buy 4 more sagitaurs? They seem like they're going to be insane in this new edition for their price. And I love the stupid little model so much.
>>98262310How do I get this power to see into the future?I need to predict stocks and not get financially bootyblasted by the Bogdanoffs.That way I can buy games workshop and then do nothing with the settings as I make Bandai make the plastics. And indulge in my gluttonous love of smoked oysters in sunflower oil.
>>98262275First codexes will be Orks and Blood Angels, with a marine index launching with them.Then it will be Tau and custodes, with every release after being a non-power armor book releasing alongside a power armor book.
Does all matte acrylic have this texture? If so, how do high level painters get such smooth looking models?
>>98262288It's funny but you'll probably hate yourself by the time you paint your 5th guy like that.
>>98262318Don't anon. Foreknowledge like the ability to predict Disney will buy LucasArts through witnessing Kingdom Hearts is a terrifying ability.
>Mek Gunz are 45 points each>Cost $60 for one, $180 for a squad of 3I know there's probably units with a worse points per model cost, but fucking damn.
>>98262310>>98262318 (me)>ost church choir nothingburgerNot gonna lie I wonder what other themes of music fit in the 40k’s themes and aesthetics at least for the imperial stuff.I talked about how a rendition of “what a wonderful world” would work for the guard.>https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/98241229/#98242774I’d imagine maybe industrial music would work for forgeworlds, mechanicus and underhives no need for choirs.I remember watching the angels of death wh+ animations pirated with lads and the mechanicus woman had generic electronic ambience as her theme.I swear I think the same voice actor was used for that cranky tech priest in darktide.Anyways that animation was oddly inspirational from how unprofessional it looked. If it was a fan animation I’d be singing all the praises for it and downplaying it’s problems.
>>98262331I guess ignorance truly is bliss dear anon.In this case ineptitude in magical abilities is freedom from the burdens of dark knowledge.I hope you don’t lose your sanity as you witness future autisms from Black Library writers as they pump out more 40k books.
>>98262326LayersLots of Layers
>>98262340darktide ost literally the darktide ost. Pure orchestra/chorus isn't enough it needs that merging of techno-industrial to be 40kish
>>98262226That image is so fucking cool.
>>98262226>god save my soulI’ll make you feel better about yourself as I’ve been more retarded.>bought loads of reaper models as practice minis >bought mantic dwarfs as I like them>had a sudden old good new bad and bought cadian defense force box when kneepads were coming>relapsing into fake groggery again with wanting old school looking metal or resin models>unironically looking at wargames foundry ex-citadel models with envious eyes and might buy copies for scan archivalThe practice models was a mistake. If I messed up I never improved because it was just a practice model so I never pushed myself and the painting wasn’t fun because I wanted to paint warhammer stuff the whole time.Hopefully you’ll feel better now.
Anyone played custodes in the 11th? How are they? I haven't played mine since the 9th. Thinking about dusting them off.What to take? I used to run a bunch of guards because I like blobs of infantry.
>>98262226I bought last year's CSM battleforce, the Iron Warriors Combat Patrol, the CSM Combat Patrol magazines, Kravek Morne, and a bunch of 30k marines/terminators to kitbash with. Of all that, the only stuff I got built/primed are Kravek, a Warpsmith, a kitbashed Sorcerer Terminator, the Rhino, the Obliterators and Venomcrawler, 10 Cataphractii Terminators, and a few Legionaries.
>>98262338Have a look at beasts of nurgle.
>>98262361I have a significant backlog that might even compete with yours, Dude. Great taste with the Mantic Dwarf line, imo. People shit on the designs but they have a cool look. I bought into the Abyssal Dwarf line pretty hard. >>98262376I have bought the Sanctic Conclave, the new TS battleforce, a bunch of assorted, used and unbuilt old DA stuff and a bunch of old Space Wolves stuff for my not-Wolves Space Marine OC chapter. ...Also the Knight Battalion and now the Farsight Box. Fugg. I keep building stuff at least.
>>98262383>I bought into the Abyssal Dwarf line pretty hard. Excellent tastes.I am overdosing on hopium and copium that when mantic updates their plastics the previous ones will get a “digital stl” archival treatment as classic models.
The lads are all done
>>98262361>>98262389You might want to look at Bogwyrm's chaos dorf metal line, chorf-loving bros. They will be doing another funding campaign in the future.
>>98262389>Excellent tastes.>I am overdosing on hopium and copium that when mantic updates their plastics the previous ones will get a “digital stl” archival treatment as classic models.Oh, I think I recognize you from /awg/!
Killteam Custodes today trust
>>98262398Yes I am that silly anon who dared to like some of mantic’s models.
What is yalls "proudest" victory you have ever had playing 40k. I once won a game playing imperial guard despite suffering a 99.3% casualty rate.I deployed literally just over 100 infantry models and handful of tanks.I won the match with literally a single model still on the table, and this was back when getting tabled was an automatic loss.
You guys look like THIS?
>>98262404My brother. We are united in our taste.
>>98262404I should also mention I used to believe in exclusivity and fomo if it helps companies survive until I got really into 3d printing and realized everything like miniatures should be autistically archived.Especially after discovering Momminiatures started to re-release their dwarf models into stl form. I think that is when I started to see the light.Now I understand why warhammer 40k stl collectors fill up their drives so quickly. To them the piracy app gw is aware of is always under threat of burning down so everyone just grabs everything to archive it and will reorganize their downloads later.>>98262408>painted terrain at an lgs for a 40k gameAlright I’ve finally seen enough for tonight.There is hope for terrain painters now or gw made some tournament rules like the painting needing to be done on 40k models or command points are lost.
>>98262408Theres a pair of friends at my local store I see playing games all the time that are>transwoman playing pink Tau>the most redneck looking man i have ever seen in my life playing imperial guard in historical camouflage
>>98262421>the most redneck looking man i have ever seen in my life playing imperial guard in historical camouflageIsn't that the whole point of guard anyway? Why stick to the beige bdus and forest green armor?
>>98262408No I'm fully chrome dome.
>>98262408>grog lookin fellas>painted terrain>good vibesSome quality gaming is going on in those halls
>>98262226>the perfect vehicle deserves the perfect paint scheme
>>98262421>most redneck looking man i have ever seen>historical camo instead of realtree
>>98262340>I wonder what other themes of music fit in the 40k’s themes and aestheticshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpnW68Q8ltc
holy fucking SOVL overloadhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Baw3bWBzAA
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>>98262453>>98262340>I wonder what other themes of music fit in the 40k’s themes and aestheticsHow it feels driving through the imperial orphanage just to get to the one grot on the horizon.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysho2xTWUYo
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>>98262467My moobs are bigger than that
>>98262466Miniscape & Minisodes are possibly the best retro 40k channels out there.
>>98262408Would I get kicked out of the LGS if, during the ongoing narrative campaign I'm playing, I said my tsons sorcerers would cast a spell that, if they won, would make my opponent's minis as fat as him?
>>98262226tau battlesuits are really fun to paint, good luck anon!here's what i did with my box
Let Chaos Idols take this thread!
>>98262511Gorgeous work as always, Bannna Tau Anon. Loved seeing your Tau force grow over time with the stuff you posted on here.
>>98262516*Gets corrupted*
>>98262340tfw the big titty eldar qt3.14 calls you a monkeigh so you have no choice but to fall to chaoshttps://youtu.be/yp-JIhuYI8o?is=m-VbjBzlG8ve5rlz
Sincerely hope nobody ever takes a pic of me at my LGS I'm a fat fuck and I need to shave more oftenI take a shower before going to my LGS because I refuse to smell like unfettered ass
>>98262521I'm honestly surprised no one here has taken a photo of me yet, I know some other regulars post /here/ and I'm using the same models I post at my local.
Hey does feel like it could exist in 40k? I'm writing a book inspired by Tyranids and Dark Eldar. A weight and shift of movement was felt of on the front of our head. A feeling object that was slowly sliding out, leaving behind a small trickle. A cylindrical object with a thin metal pin tumbled before our view. A syringe. Blue welled up, ran warm and wet down our face. Landing in and pooling our wide-open mandibles. Spread uncomfortably wide. Unintentionally forcing us to taste our own blood.Death enveloped us like a thick miasma . It restrained us. Every observable direction it was there. No freedom. Just the taste of entrapment. The hollow of an inevitable fate yet to befall. Mind flashes. Light stings behind eyes. Strange symbols burn. Images and patterns crash into our head. Mind in a white-hot migraine. Meaningless.[Insert text saying that the stat sheet of the tyrsect, along with the fact mouse brain as well as a neural implant was inserted into it's brain.]The tyrsect drone twitched as its body tried to cope with the foreign information that flooded its system. As the blue flash of random fades, peace settles. Pain now a dim memory. Patterns forgotten like a dream. Its then stirs back to life as soft hands approach and brush an antenna. Curious fingers prod mandible, trace acid ducts. Warm putrid but oddly sweet breath was felt. Then mocking chuckle. “Look at them. Already waking up from their first system bootup. I thought you'd be more resilient to mental straining, what with your 'songs'.”Paws squeeze carapace. A grope here. A test there. But a probing thumb smearing itself over a eye cluster causes a short growl to rip free from the xenos.
whats a good amount and ratio of wraithguard and wraithblades for a iyanden army at 2k?
>>98262556Give me your Wraithguard and I can tell you.
>>98262521>>98262528You ever notice the people taking the pictures for the purpose of trying to make fun of others at game stores never have themselves in view?>Hey internet check out these NERDS having FUN, what a bunch of losers, couldn't be me
>>98262408I look like this
>>98262556
>>98262216>Place your bets on today's revealsNew Ork and Spoise Marine units that'll come out with their Codices, and maybe announced the next two codexes.Definitely the Ork bikes that they accidentally leaked, don't know what other blueberry stuff there will be.
I'm 6'4 and work out and do martial arts plus I eat healthy so I'm pretty fit. I'm also cleanshaven and have a typical well kept short men's hairstyle with thick hair. My store is lucky that the crowd is mostly pretty normal looking. We have plenty of overweight people but nothing too outrageous, and most people don't smell noticeably bad, but occasionally I do catch some B.O. but nothing like in the horror stories.I have noticed a correlation between people who have their personal appearance together, and their army together. As in, people who are fit and tidy will also often have no unpainted models. I'm sure it's simply a matter of discipline. You only get fat or you only let yourself get smelly/greasy if you're undisciplined, so naturally the same sort of people would let their army be naked.I have also noticed a correlation between sportsmanship and fitness. Myself and the other core regulars all have excellent sportsmanship. We remind our opponents of their beneficial rules, we are never the ones rules-lawyering, we allow takebacks as long as it's the same phase and no dice have been rolled, our lists are generally competitive but not the expense of flavor and we don't skew, we're happy to slow down and explain for new players, all those sorts of things. Whenever I see someone who is trying to game the system or trying to rules-lawyer, they're always unfit. The fattest regular is also the only person I have ever seen try to tell his mtg opponent that the opponent can't tap and untap his lands while he was thinking to himself, idly with his hands, before any spells had even been announced. He tried to make him locked into the first absentminded tapping that didn't even pay for the spell he later announced. It's literally not a rule but he was being insistent. He's also the only one I've ever seen sigh and roll his eyes when his opponent said he was new and to take things slow. Just as a few examples.
>>98262556There is no such thing as an agreed upon optimal ratio because the only reason to play a wraiths list is to fuck around.
Me? 6ft 4in fat neckbeard. No deodorant, no shampoo, no showers. One tshirt and one pair of undies a week (you don’t need more). My putrid aura throws my opponents off. Thank you papa nurgle.
>>98262584We've had TCG regulars at my LGS who got into warhammer, and battletech, and conquest, and the ones who really got into the hobby side of wargaming started working out, grooming themselves better, dressing better. I think mini painting and wargaming is a really transformative hobby for a lot of these nerds.
>>98262585>the only reason to play a wraiths list is to fuck around.well it looks like im gonna be on the finding out end of fucking around then. i think i'll go 3 units of each for the blades/guard
>>98262326Pros often use many thin coats. One thick coat will often look like shit with any brand. That being said I tend to get more texture (and different texture) with PA than AK or VMC.>>98262442I'DFWhat's the 40k equivalent of Palestinians?
>>98262601Your paint, sir, may I suggest 8 or 9 bottles.
>>98262610>What's the 40k equivalent of Palestinians?Your average Imperial citizen.
>>98262584Bad sportsmanship tends to be more common with people who invest emotionally in the game, because they don't have much else. Or they use the game to prove themselves. With decent health, looks and social life it's easier to dismiss a game as just a game, and treat your opponent politely.
>>98262515thanks! i got a little burnt out on painting yellow at the veeeeeery end but i enjoyed the project as a whole
>>98262601Wraithlord is one of the most fun kits I've ever built. So simple and perfect. Takes paint great too. God I wish GW weren't so evil and greedy. I just can't justify buying their kits more often with how bad the value is for the consumer (rules, game, price, availability, everything, etc)
>>98262240Was thinking this the other day but more in terms of painting schemes with the only real colour schemes for Orks being Goffs or Evil Sunz.
>>98262628i use trolltrader. you get a decent discount for stuff because its like "out of box" or whatever, and i get to buy it at the actual british pound to usd conversion rate rather than the arbitrary markup GW charges for foreign countries. and flat $10 shipping no matter how big the order is. been using them for years. was actually insane a few years back when the pound tanked, i was getting armies for like 70% off of US msrp
>>98262408Omg actual nerds, sign me up
>>98262391Noice, I like the colors
>>98262649>>98262628only thing i'll add to that though is that its apparently not worth it for EU because they get fucked over on some kind of VAT tax we dont have in the US. i dont know how much it is but i've heard its a hefty percentage that totally blows out any potential savings. but for people in the US, you can save a lot of money that way. also i heard they ship to AUS but i cant confirm personally
Bought a second full armageddon box today out of pity. >go to local GW store to grab a box of plasma marines>girl who is a stand in for normal employee when he's out is there. >spoken to her a bit before. She's shy and quiet.>killing time browsing since I was done with work for the day.>some guy is upset with her that they don't carry an online only item in store. >other local customer tries to be funny and says something like "you're letting the store down. Do better LOL" >can tell it bothered her. >say something to him about it. >tells me "I got told by the manager to be mean to her today LOL">felt bad about it because all the people i see in the store right now are people who brag about getting stuff online or at another FLGS in town but still show up to the GW store. >Decide to get an armageddon box today instead of later.>tell her to tell her manager that she convinced me to get the box and that I was on the fence about it. >she thanks me>she struggles with the POS system and seems kind of flustered for a few minutes because she's not used to using it. >she almost calls the store manager. >eventually gets it working and then talks about art with me for a bit. Am i retarded guys? This is my 4th set of space marine sprues and 1st set of orks. >inb4 simp
>>98262408Undoubtely, anyone roaming here looks more or less like that.
>>98262678>all the people i see in the store right now are people who brag about getting stuff online or at another FLGS in town but still show up to the GW storeI've done the casual stand-in for the stores around my city for like 4 years now, you would be surprised how many people just go in there to bitch. We changed to a new POS a few months ago, new one is aids. Would not be surprised if her struggling with the POS was just the system asking her to relog and recount in the middle of a transaction.
>>98262340Angels of death is excellent, it masks its deficient animation as an art style, and it works very well.What's comically bad is the sound design. Lots of action scenes packed with only voices and weird sounding bolters.I really liked it as an indie series, and the story is quite ok compared to the absolute trash that is most of the animated series Bolter and whatever
>>98262442>VallejoI’m still miffed at the change of formula for the worse with Vallejo as some people say.
>>98262678Nah, the models are good and you can piecemeal sell the extra rulebook and stuff you don't want. people are doing that a lot right now.and it's good to support your local store. a lot of people shop online and then wonder why game stores either close, or start charging for tables. I buy random stuff I don't really "need" like collectors edition books or hardcover books just to buy something sometimes when I'm in.
I accidentally bought 3 too many painboys and 1 too many Bigbosses what should I do with them? Bigboss can become a Nob but Painboys are very distinct
>>98262688assembled or sprue?
>>98262686>lot of people shop online and then wonder why game stores either close, or start charging for tables.NtaI need to get into the habit of checking if the lgs has what I am looking for before I buy things online.
>>98262688you can turn one painboy into a mekboy with the appropriate mechanical claws
If any 40kg bros want a comfy discord server with other painters and tabletop players from 40kg, here's a link to the official /40kg/ server:https://discord.gg/wprNm2JBEveryone of all painting skill levels are welcome to come and hang out with us. The only requirement is to have models and engage in the hobby.....that's it! Give it a shot if you want to learn 11th ed with chill lads that aren't shitposting just to rile (You) up! (55 40kg regulars and counting across NA, SEA, and EU timezones!)
>>98262693A discord server is just a slightly edgier reddit. Police these nuts.
>>98262682Ive been around and was cool with the last store manager and we used to talk about how I agreed it was a little messed up to buy everything online or somewhere else and still use the GW store to play without ever buying anything there. This was before we had an FLGS and we talked about how if no one was buying in store eventually there was not going to be a store to play at. Back then alot of people really likes the manager so about 90% would purchase in store almost always. Now the new crop of people who go there just point blank tell the new manager to his face they bought their armageddon box somewhere else or online. Alot of the loyal customers migrated to the FLGS because the only manager opened it. I also talked about the same people who didn't buy anything were always the one bitching about shit and I saw it alot first hand since I was in there painting so often. As for the POS she just wasnt used to a non visa card and was struggling to input that I paid the amount with an amex. Eventually she got it. But she seemed panicked and told me it happened once before. >>98262686I was already thinking about it since I decided i actually did want a set of orks but I was going to wait awhile before I did. The rule books are going to go to one of my students I work with who loves warhammer but doesnt have a lot of money to buy stuff right now. I also agree with you on supporting local if you use the space. Seems like theres alot more obnoxious people now then there was before at the store.
>>98262689Sprue>>98262692Actually a great idea, I'm lacking baby Meks right now
>>98262708nta but at this point you need to have actual brain damage to stick exclusively to this shithole for any kind of hobby
>>98262693is the server with the weekly ultratranny bpd meltdowns?
>>98262720>exclusivelyWell there's your problem sir.I'd rather have this shithole than have to deal with the usual social leeches and parasites.If the only thing that keeps people behaving is the lack of anonymity, it only confirms how double faced and untrustworthy they are. Why would I want to spend time with those people?
>>98262445He probably thinks of woodland as historical
>>98262728>it only confirms how double faced and untrustworthy they arewhich ones? they ones that join the server or the ones that don't?
>>98262728You are spending time with those people.
>>98262720This place is okay most of the time now that the lolcow has finally fucked off for good. Like yeah there's obviously the random faggot who comes in to drive-by shitpost every now and then, but you just ignore that or filter their catchphrases and it's fine.
>>98262713his heads a separate piece, so start with headswaps. his body and leg pose are pretty fixed, but with judicious knifework you should be able to lop off his hands or possible even amputate all the way up to the elbow and replace them with other arms with choppas or power klaws from other kits. with those two things, you should be able to make them into pretty much anything in the army. might be easier if you full build the arms first then amputate them once assembled, rather than trying to do it before putting them together. as far as i remember at least 1 of his arms is a bit of a jigsaw
>>98262726her meltdowns are mostly contained in the off topic channels
>>98262726i dont even have ultra marines anymore, that faction is gay and lame. im a sisterschad now>weekly bpd meltdownive been uhhh trying to behave myself more since the mods are tard wrangling mebut yea the majority of the time im absent it's mostly the other members there and they are a fairly relaxed lot>>98262728>behavewhat? just dont be an annoying autismo or act like a shit flinging chimpi think the only people that ever left the server was like 3 guys, and 2 times decal mutant tried to sneak in on an alt acct
>>98262741>>98262742I wouldn't call posting here "spending time with someone". Posts here are inconsequential, unless you're avatarfagging.But joining a dedicated discord server? That's going over the threshold of investing time & energy.
>>98262781>ive been uhhh trying to behave myself more since the mods are tard wrangling me>what? just dont be an annoying autismo or act like a shit flinging chimpIs this a skit?
>>98262788>Posts here are inconsequentialso are there, unless you're a dick
>>98262810>so are thereThen why the fuck would you go on a discord if it's the same?
>>98262812to filter out the dicks that can't go there without having consequences for their usual behaviour, like you
>>98262813>to filter the dicksBut you're not filtering them, they just pretend they're not dicks.>consequences for their usual behaviour, like youSee, that's exactly the kind of double faced faggotry I was talking about. Go jerk each other off in your fake ass "community", fucking parasite.
>>98262219europe has melted
>>98261924>>98262155Tau are very blatantly TPM faction. They even got Gungans (Kroot) and later Geonosians
>>98262216Surely they'll give T'au the first codex of the edition to make up for them having less POSSIBLE COMBINATIONS of detachments than the Leagues of Votann HAVE TOTAL DETACHMENTSAnd also they'll get rid of all the fuckin ugly Kroot and Vespid models and give me a cool ass melee suit styled like the Verdant with bigass shield emitters floating behind it like a series of glorys
>>98262819>But you're not filtering themYes, I am, because you're not there>how dare you call me mean names!lol
>>98262678simp
>>98262836>Tau has the least combos in the entire game>still busted as fuck>in a month they will get nerfed to the ground>necrons, who are just as busted, will get a slap on the wrist and a bunch of compensatory buffs as usual
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
>>98262511Lovely clean work.Fuck GW for only making Vior'la transfers though Gimme some Sa'cea or Bork'an cowards!
All the Tau players I play with are dogshit at the game so I haven't experienced any suffering. How are they busted right now?
>>98262866Did you play 11th yet? The changes are very beneficial to tau.
wait so hidden doesnt mean jack shit because almost every deployment is on the long side of the table? or is there just not enough sufficiently obstructing terrain?
>>98262866Their best detachment combos really well with its disposition (purge) which is also just really good right now, and their army rule lets them ignore cover. Basically they didn't get hurt by the edition changes nearly as badly as other shooting armies did, and their disposition basically incentivizes them to run a big gun line and blow you off the table. In 10th they had to at least try to play the objective game, but purge lets them stack points off doing what they already want to do and they're really good at doing it.
>>98262882The official terrain layouts just don't have enough fully obscuring heavy terrain (read:L-shaped ruins) and every unit getting the old towering rule to shoot a ross just for toeing into a terrain feature makes massive shooting lanes everywhere on the maps.
>>98262882If you sit on the objective you're basically exposed now, plus you only need to touch the terrain to see through it now, meaning the maps are way more of a shooting galleries that you'd assume just looking at them.If you have a long range vehicle, like Riptide, and have it touch terrain in front of your deployment zone, suddenly it threatens 80% of the table.
>>98262882it doesn't effect most of the game, which is fine. helps units not be shot off the board turn 1, and late game scoring with actions.
>>98262885>>98262896>hidden does nothing>but toeing into terrain lets you see too muchThese two statements contradict each other. If your opponent just wants to toe in for LoS, they won't be able to see your hidden stuff because they'll be too far away, just touching terrain in your own territory won't get you close to see a hidden unit.
>>98262938>hidden does nothingNeither me nor the other anon said that. Hidden prevents you from being shot T1 but you need to step out to actually participate in the game.
>>98262954>if you sit on the objective you're basically exposed nowThat certainly looks to me like saying hidden does nothing, unless the word 'exposed' has completely changed its meaning.>If you have a long range vehicle, like Riptide, and have it touch terrain in front of your deployment zone, suddenly it threatens 80% of the table.Oh jeez, if only there was SOME way to HIDE your units from long range fire?
>>98262967>That certainly looks to me like saying hidden does nothingNo, it literally doesn't. Glad I could help. :)>Oh jeez, if only there was SOME way to HIDE your units from long range fire?Sure, but hidden only applies to infantry (and beasts) and all the models need to be fully within the terrain. Getting within hidden range on the current boards isn't exactly the hardest thing. It's a bonus for melee armies (who absolutely need it because the staging areas are fucked in new setups), but the main purpose of hidden is preventing the alpha strikes and it does that job well.
>>98262993>all the models need to be fully within the terrainYou don't even know the rules yet comment on them so certainly.
>>98262999You don't play the game at all and yet you comment on it so certainly.Maybe I made some semantic error but that's how it works, whatever.
>>98263005Ah, I said models need to fully within terrain, I meant all models in the unit need to be within/touching terrain. Touche I guess.
>>98263005No, not even. Hidden is checked per model, if you've been playing it per unit you've been playing it wrong. So a single model touching the terrain and the rest behind it is enough for a that model to gain hidden and the rest are safe.Regardless, it's extremely unlikely for an enemy unit to simply toe into terrain on their side of the board and still be within 15" (or more likely 12" as Go-to-ground is a rule as well) of something contesting the central or your home expansion objectives.
>>98262878Yeah, the players are just bad though
Is James retarded?>sell from their own stores at prices higher than third party>provide no extra value to account for that >get rid of hobby areas and game tables>only tables are for running demo games>nobody goes to James anymore because they charge more for no benefit???
>>98263015Yes. We do play that correctly. I admit, I misspoke, my bad.Hidden just correlates to visibility. If one model is not hidden and it gets shot the entire unit can still die. >Regardless, it's extremely unlikely for an enemy unit to simply toe into terrain on their side of the board and still be within 15" Again, not when it comes to vehicles, on some setups like search and destroy it's trivial to get within the hidden range of central objective as well.The argument started with Tau and why the new rules are good for them - they have a lot of cheapo shit to put in the middle and force the opponent to unhid themselves, opening them to a barrage. Riptides move 10' with fly so it's not hard for them to toe-in terrain in the middle to see-through, crisis suits' deep striking is improved by the fact that home objective has been de-emphasized and the deep strike no go zone went down to 8".
>>98262338I made 3 mek guns out of a single trukk kit 10 years ago and I refuse to use the new kit.
>>98262678Lmao simp.She has a boyfriend.
>>98263039Sooo... Hidden is good until the opponent forces you to come out of hiding? Wow, what a concept. Tau are good, there's no question about that, but they're not good because they ignore hidden or something, just that they get lots of cheap stuff, move fast and can ignore cover easily to deal lots of damage with their big guns (this is the same reason eldar are broken every edition, moving fast and hitting hard is a recipe for success in 40k and has been forever). But hidden can help you a lot against them, because if they can't force you out of hidden their big guns do need to come forward. Currently, I believe Tau are the best at the chaff game (as you say, they get a lot of cheapo shit) but that could change with just a few points nerfs that take away a unit or two from them and if they can't use cheap chaff to bait out important stuff as well, that also reduces the power of their big guns thanks to hidden.So the idea that hidden "does jack shit" or "if you sit on the objective you're basically exposed" is simply wrong. The opponent CAN attack you if you're on the objective, but they will not do so safely if you're hidden.
>>98262678>inb4 simpyeah, if you decide to dump $300 for a cashier because she’s a girl (there’s no way you would have cared if it was a dude), then you’re a simp.
>nooo you can't only play imperial factions!>nooo buy some xenos models too!No.
>>98263091who are you quoting?
>>98263065I never once said that hidden "does jack shit".I just don't think it's a massive gamechanger or a some gigabuff to melee. It's a compensation for the new terrain rules.Hidden needed to exist BECAUSE the objectives are in the open effectively.I would bet money that in a few months they will get rid of the toe-in rule for the vehicles, it's incredibly abusive, not just for tau.
>Iron Warriors Combat Patrol out of stock still>Defilers out of stock stillHow
Are Daemon Princes the best generic leader units in the game?
>>98263103They don't sell enough to be stocked consistently, buy primaris, chud.
Is this brand of paint any good for 40k minis?
>>98263103idk my man, i have easy access to both in yurop
>>98263107how can you even think about trusting someone who puts bot-made slop on a box cover?
>>98263113>bot-made slopI actually don't see it?
>>98263105They're not leaders. If you mean generic character units, then no, they're pretty good (though daemon prince is pretty vague, there's a big difference between a winged EC prince and a foot chaos daemons prince, for example) but I wouldn't call them the best. Just in CSM generic chaos lords have them beat (basically the same killing power for half the price in points) and then there's stuff like the SM combi-weapon lieutenant that's been a staple in literally every space marine list ever made since he got rules at the beginning of 10th.
>>98262216What have you been working on in this fine weather?How do you prevent your paint from forming foamy bubbles on your minis that eventually dry into disgusting spots?
>>98262678Gantoise?
>>98262678Be honest, you wouldn't have done the same if it was a boy instead of a girl. If it was a man you'd call him for what he is, an incompetent retard for failing to do most basic tasks.
>>98262678
>>98263123Working on the gunner to my wartrakk. Was cooming last night over remembering how fun Ork skin was to paint>How do you prevent your paint from forming foamy bubbles on your minis that eventually dry into disgusting spots?I have no clue how this even happens. How is your paint foamy?
>>98263123>What have you been working on in this fine weather?I built four sets of legs for penitent engines/mortifiers but my hobby desk is right next to a floor-to-ceiling south facing window so it instantly became too hot to do anything else.>How do you prevent your paint from forming foamy bubbles/wip/ has a tutorial for this, autistic as it is>>98263184>How is your paint foamy?Known issue with vallejo game and model colours
>>98262326Airbrush
>>98263107Just make your own oil washes, dudeVillainy "inks" are cool and convenient, but really expensive
>>98262219Everyone is out buying Ancients now that they're 40 points.
This is about to be the longest six hours in the office in my life
>>98262453No, that cringe zoomer shit can stay with Bethesda where it belongs.Actually good Doom music below:https://youtube.com/watch?v=qTJMDkpOqHI
>>98263123>What have you been working on in this fine weather?finally finished up this thing>How do you prevent your paint from forming foamy bubbles on your minis that eventually dry into disgusting spots?Make sure to not load too much paint on your brush, that helped me with reformulated Vallejo.
>>98262555Needs some slight changes for readability.>A syringe. Blue welled up, ran warm and wet down our face. Landing in and pooling our wide-open mandibles. Spread uncomfortably wide. Unintentionally forcing us to taste our own blood.I get the effect you're going for but this is too many full stops, use some commas in there so I think about the action instead of how many full stops you're using. Good luck
>>98262678You better convert this to a win cunt. If you aren't hitting the gym now you should be.CAPITALISE.
>be me, returning from oldhammer into 9th>Tried Sisters, but didn't like them>Pick eldar because they used to kick my ass, want to try them>really enjoy them, have fun toying with Ynnari>pick up Tau as a second army, but end up selling them>want new secondary army, what about orks>nah, what about marines?>nah, what about corsairs + clowns to build into Deldar?Help
>>98263113I truly hate how ai has just utterly ruined some artstyles. Like 3 years ago that sort of dark gritty cover would be cool, now its just slop.
>>98263242if you want to play corsairs, clowns, or corsairs and clowns together, stick to CWE. Deldar can play with those units but the codex doesn’t support them well.Deldar played with dark eldar is fun and surprisingly different from craftworld. now is a very very good time to buy orks, marines, or to a lesser extent deldar. Orks and Marines with the new box, but for deldar the “realspace raider” battleforce is a fine deal for $240-$250, and lots of their boxes are still $40
>>98263242My first advice would be clownsairs since they give you options with your existing army and are a cheaper investment than a whole new army while also making it cheaper to get into deldar if you wish (though Quins lack deldar synergy)
>>98263242Well, what do you like about Eldar in the first place? The speed? You obviously didn’t like shooting or you wouldn’t have sold the Tau.Marines are actually a good idea due to how versatile they are, but I’d unironically suggest to wait with Dark Eldar cause they will get a range refresh mid-edition.
>>98263192>>98263222Thanks, gonna check it out, sick forgefiend my dude
From this month's WD.These are the war zones that 11th ED will focus on. From Andy Clark's commentary on them, it seems that GW isn't going to resolve them. They are going to drag on these conflicts for years, possibly several editions before concluding them. Part 1/2
>>98263280Do any of these warzones interest you?Part 2.There is a tenth warzone mentioned only in passing in the Combat Patrol Companion book. It's on a Maiden World where bestial war cries of the hunt resound. That's a hint about Exodites for sure.
>>98262421>chud and troon united in their hatred of GWNO MORE BROTHER WARS
>first 11th edition tournament results are in>check it to see how Eldar are doing>...>there were no Eldar playersrumao
More like Aeronautica Wimp-erialis amirite?
>>98263298They're in a real bad spot right now. They were already the worst real army in the game at the end of 10th and they ate even more nerfs rolling into 11th. Someone will still probably manage to scrape out a tournament win with them eventually playing some recon bullshit that never has to interact with the enemy since they can't kill anything anymore anyway.
>>98263289The Maelstrom is kino tbf
>>98263289>red corsairs>eldar corsairs>freebooterzomegakino
>>98263280>>98263289>War Zone Stygius never fucking ever
Should I buy the red corsairs battleforce? There's one left at my lgs.
sometimes the dark angel models are cool but then I remember they're named after a gay poet who wrote poetry about being gay and I laugh and buy something else. I bet the average dark angels player doesn't even know who lionel johnson is
>>98263337Pretty sure they're named after The Rock, dumbass.
>>98263342Sorry, Redditors have retconned the Rock from a normal British pub into a gay bar(despite that never being what it was).
orks have the best models in this game
I decided to paint my armageddon box as blood angels, but now I'm second guessing myself. Should I make them into dangels instead?
>>98263342That's what he said, a gay poo it
>>98263356what stops you from having units from multiple chapters?
>>98263280>500 worldsDoes this imply that an Imperial civil war soon?
>>98263367no
>>98263303>Eldar>Worst real factionThat's Space Wolves, actually
>>98263222damn that's crisp
>>98263367After having read Genefather, there are elements in the Imperium, even in the higher echelons of the leadership of both mechanicum and Terra that highly disagree with Guilliman and Cawl, so it’s not that far fetched that the Imperium will shatter.
>>98262216Hey everyone it's once again time for the collage anchor posts.This month's theme was quick and nimble and/or Blanchitsu and was left to your own interpretation.I'll try to post an anchor every thread but if you can't spot me write"here is my june collage submission" and it'll be way easier to find you in the archive.Here is the link to next month's vote:https://strawpoll.com/YVyPva3lAgNHope to see a tribute or two to blanche
>>98263056>>98263241I'm happily married. >>98263068>>98263149I probably would have if it was a guy in the scenario and I knew he was nice. If the person had been rude to me before I would not have done it. Before the new permanent manager took over they had a different nice temp guy with a pretty bad speech disability and I bought a battle force I didn't need because I felt bad and it seemed like he was honestly trying his best. I sympathize because I'd hate to be in that position in either case.>>98263124I don't know what or where that is so probably not.
>>98263401First collage I'll be in with wazdakka.
>>98263280>>98263289Nephilim Anomaly sounds good because its Necrons that isn't cringe Destroyer shit or lame ass SIlent King propaganda, Chalnath expanse could get me the auxilliary genocice I want and Orgvayr I guess because I like SOME parts of Votann.I wish they'd stop being pussies about non Chaos Renegade Marine chapters though
>>98263315correct me if I'm wrong but the thousands sons just won, right? no new lore until the imperium attempts to take it back (which will be successful as we are a jobber faction)
>>98263401here is my june collage submissionI hope whoever told me to make these guys necromundan 8th is happy with how they turned out because I sure as hell ain’t
Hive Mortis for Necromunda. Shit's finna be lit
>Aeronautica finale>Eldar pilot just gives up and lets the Imperial pilot shoot him down because he got sadLmao 10/10
>>98263427It is as we expected
>>98263289>>98263280>Only one major faction not mentioned in any of the warzonesHmmm...
>>98263262>>98263267Thanks, I really appreciate the advice. If the rumors about Exodites are true, Eldar subfactions seem like they almost end up a better Tau auxiliaries than the Tau.>>98263270I like their speed and really liked the lore behind Aspect Warriors. The majority of what I played was Aspects and psychers since it felt so fresh compared to orks I used to play in 5th. Thanks, anons, might try that subfaction toe-dip and see how deldar are down the road.
>>98263035They make most of their money selling to third party retailers even at <50% rrp. It's an excellent business model as it keeps stock moving out of their warehouses and they get paid up front rather than having dead product lines clogging up shelves. Warehousing is a higher cost to them than manufacturing. The model couldn't survive if GW's high street or online storefronts undercut their partners or offered too much secondary service. The stores are mildly profitable advertising businesses run on a shoestring to get people into the ecosystem. Best case an independent shop opens up down the road and GW can close.
>>98263289So only one zone is non imperial?
>>98263415Nice wazdakka bro
>>98263432Which one? D.Eldar, or Chaos (Demons)Or are you saying Custodes are a major faction?
>>98263448Depends on who the exodites are fighting
>>98263427Just watched it>Eldar who were dancing around Imperial pilots previously get instantly ambushed and one gets shot down immediately>Unnamed Eldar pilot scores a single kill then gets damaged and has to flee>Main Eldar character scores a couple kills, including the black guy mentor, then gets overconfident and the Imperials gang up on him. Strong woman pilot shoots him down while he runs away and he dies in terror>Epilogue scene which says the Imperials have developed a counter to the Eldar webway incursions, thereby winning the conflictWow, who could have EVER seen that coming.
>>98263456it's insane how often the psychic species with precognitive abilities and inhuman reflexes get ambushed
>>98263456Expecting GW to release stuff where Xenos win over the posterbois that are the imperials is folly.
>>98263456>>98263468Eldar v IG in aeronautica is like the best possible situation for giving Eldar a win that makes the most sense and without making too many people have a tantrum over it. It's over.
>>98263468What about the T'au? They win more than they lose.
>>98263302owned
>>98263449My man
Link for the aeronautica imperialis episodes? pls
>>98263423BFS is such a good source of random ass minis. I'm kinda bummed they did 2 AoSmegmar boxes in a row.
Oh FUCKThe Asuryani character's soulstone gets broken during the air flight. He sees Slaanesh before he gets shot down and killed/
>>98263456Century of Eldar Humiliation continues, in other news Space Marines will get at least another 40 kits this edition and water is wet.
>>98263479Aren't Tau victories the result of reality bending into it self to turn Tau enemies into retards?Because Tau territory seem to have a retardation field that turn other factions into drooling twats.
>craftworld eldar loss confirmed hours before ExoditeGODS enter the fraykino
>>98263289Why would anyone care about the Maelstrom? Huron buckbroke Yriel in the campaign book.
>>98263510The Imperium thought the Tau were a much smaller threat than they really were and were both slow to respond and haphazard about it. The Damocles Crusade was a colossal shitshow that was originally just meant to be a propaganda piece of the Imperium browbeating some rebels back in line while killing some backwater xenos, instead they basically handed the Tau tons of information on the Imperial militaries to develop countermeasures.
>>98263503Aren't eldar eyes fully black?
>>98263456>Epilogue scene which says the Imperials have developed a counter to the Eldar webway incursions, thereby winning the conflictLAAAAME
>>98263503>Hey Eldar fans, our new show feautres an Eldar as one of the main characters!>Anyway here's him dying and being condemned to eternal torture and suffering by le heckin' hothead strong woman pilot!
>>98263521no
>god-emperor forbid eldar to get some WB-based?
>>98263519Was not talking about the imperium in particular.But things like necron and eldar pilots been impress by tau pilots. (Same pilots that are equivalent to random imperial pilots)Pask the Leman Russ guy that hates baneblades, goes into battle against the Tau in a baneblade.Melee things losing in melee to the Tau. Not even Kroot, but Tau. There is a list of things so out of character for everyone. Dark Eldar and GSC seem to be the only ones that do not suffer from this.
>>98263552>Same pilots that are equivalent to random imperial pilotsno, tau pilots are better than imperial pilots, they have a dedicated caste for it
Am I understanding this right>big fuckyouatronkillabitch 9000 on a 160mm base>it has 1mm of base on a terrain piece the height of a bush>can't target it with anyone in front of the terrain>anyone on the sides or behind get a -1 to hiteverything I see about 11e says that terrain is treated like a solid block extending indefinitely upwards with exceptions for smaller pieces you can navigate over, but still cant shoot through (but can shoot out if standing in)
Why did people post directly contradictory takes regarding what happened in the show? Did he give up, or did the humans figure out how to beat him? Which is it?Honestly though, I think it's stupid either way. Humans beat eldar through overwhelming numbers, so if it was really like 2-4 pilots beating him then that's dumb. I'm not even an eldarfag I just want things to be fair and every faction to have what they're good at and this seems to breach that policy for the sake of giving humans another win for the books.
>>98263508The eldar have lost the mandate of heaven. It's over.
>>98263521Depends on the artist.
>>98263450DEldar. Custodes falls under Imperium and Chaos Demons falls under Chaos.It's extra funny because DEldar had a Maelstrom box release that got recalled with no public notice and then they made zero mention of them ever being in the war zone again.
>>98262275T'au and Dark Eldar because they have so few detachments
>>98263565>Why did people post directly contradictory takes regarding what happened in the show?Because at least one anon spends his day with a hateboner over eldar.
Exodites will get some wins because they represent indiginx folx
>>98263554>TIDFHuh I thought those days had past already.
>>98263576Why do you think human pilots would be better than tau pilots?Genuine question.
GREY KNIGHT REFRESH WHEN
>>98263565I didnt watch it but context matters in combatI dont think 2-4 pilots shouldnt be “allowed” to beat himMaybe they had explosive weaponry or he was injured or demoralized or whatever idk
>>98263574>Because at least one anon spends his day with a hateboner over eldarI bet that "anon" is retarded taufag, who goes mad after first episode
>>98263565Remember that the Eldar Civilian is as fast as Space Marine. A proper Eldar soldier/pilot should be doing at least as much damage as Space Marine if not more.
>>98263552Pask is just constantly mischaracterized, he's leading a Shadowsword in the Fall of Cadia too
>>98263587Yeah but eldar arent as based as space marines
>>98263580NTA but I would assume that human pilots are worse than Tau on average, but the veteran human pilots are better than Tau. There are so many human pilots and they probably die so often that the average pilot is pretty dogshit, but there are so many human pilots that the few that survive selection must be pretty good. That, and Tau have naturally short lifespans and are likely to have less experience.Plus humans are probably playing on hard mode where Tau have AI flight computers.
IG fans, would you have been mad if the Eldar won in the WH+ show?
>>98263580Because that was the case originally.Tau Air Cast pilots are trained by the Fire Cast and a fully trained fire warrior is at best the equivalent o rookie guardsmen (Even taking into consideration Tau gear)Air cast gets baited by orks too and that is the one race they are used to fighting.
>>98263605No I dont get mad about shit like that
>>98263610No way haha they have an avatar airbender caste system? Thats so funny
>>98263605I didn't watch it, but generally speaking eldar should mop the floor with roughly equivalent numbers of humans or even being outnumbered by humans. He should win every fight up until humans reinforcements arrive, at which point he has to run away from the sheer numbers. That's how things typcially work and that keeps things fair. Edlar are superior to humans, but you better watch out once a thousand humans finally show up after you've had your fun for a while. This makes everyone happy and makes logical sense given what we are generally told about how the setting works.Several human pilots shouldn't beat an eldat pilot, and I don't even want to begin guessing what bullshit they mean by "humans figured out how to stop webway use".
>>98263610what a load of horseshit, what loretuber told you these lies?
>>98263503Slop, this entire episode is slop.
>>98263621I mean its in his screenshot lol
>>98263605Not really. As long as I get some cool vehicle action scenes out of it I'm satisfied.
>>98263610>Because that was the case originally.[citation needed]>Tau Air Cast pilots are trained by the Fire Cast and a fully trained fire warrior is at best the equivalent o rookie guardsmen (Even taking into consideration Tau gear)[citation needed]
>>98263610But we have recent lore about Air caste vs other air fighters.The Air caste fought the Necrons and Space Marines and managed to hold their ground and even outmatched the former.In GW lore, the air caste pilots fought Imperial Guard aircraft, and it's said that they dominated them too despite being outnumbered.The idea that Tau craft and pilots are equal to the Imperial Guard comes from FW only. In GW lore, it's a different story.
talmbout some citations like we need some peer reviewed research papers lol
>>98263629There's nothing in that screenshot about half the shit you said.
>>98263643>I was only pretending to be retarded
>>98263417I think the last few updates on it was that Mordian was overrun and retaken twice, the Dark Angels and Space Wolves assumed joint command of the war zone, the Iron Hands split off with a bunch of forces and eradicated the Thousand Sons from strategic positions with massive collateral damage, a Space Wolf captain died and was replaced by a guy who then assassinated a bunch of the Thousand Sons' sorcerers, and the Thousand Sons started scheming against each other as they always do.I think that's the gist from about the past three editions.
>>98263648Mb bruh lemme check google scholar rq lmao
>>98263632
>>98263565Now that Jess Goodwin has left GW, there basically is nobody at that garbage company left who apperiates or understands the Eldar.Honestly, the Eldar were always too good and well thought out for 40k. They outshine the rest of the setting, too bad GW has never understood the absolute gem of design and lore they have in the eldar, and like 90 percent of the 40k fanbase are mouthbreathing retards that just want marinewank and hate xenos in general and eldar in particular for some wetbrained reasons that only make sense in the heads of sub 90iq imbeciles.
>>98263302Well, atleast eldar shot much more than 4 aircraft
>>98263669Yeah eldar are pretty gay
>>98263669>eldar post>ends in 69>slaanesh stalks this post
>>98263669Eldar are just gay elves in space with hats that look like buttplugs
>>98263681>>98263683>>98263683Retarded wetbrained subhumans detected
>>98263681>>98263686
>>98263686>sees a helmet>starts thinking about butblugsYou are an actual homosexual
>>98263632>Tau Air Cast pilots are trained by the Fire Cast and a fully trained fire warrior is at best the equivalent o rookie guardsmen (Even taking into consideration Tau gear)NTA but that one was from a WD, around 5th if I recall correctly. I only remember it because it was extremely funny that the super advance warrior was just a rookie for the imperium
>>98263103That CP was a limited drop, it's not going to get reprinted, they didn't even bother to give it 11th edition rules.
I feel like Chaos makes no sense in the 40k universe. Honestly? Xenos and Space Marines fit well, they have their factions that are clearly opposed, makes sense to me... But weird demon things with chaos beasts and literal demons? My argument is simply that they feel tacked on.This is purely for the board game, lore wise, Chaos makes a lot more sense.
>>98263700Not canon>These skyborne warriors have learned to fly from their earliest days, their entire lives devoted to the absolute mastery of the pilot’s art. Most Tau team leaders and fighter aces have more experience than a whole squadron of other races’ pilots, all of which they turn to the pursuit of victory for the Tau’va.-Death from the Skies 7th ed
>>98263709A big issue is a lot of Chaos players are either just Daemon fans or just Marine fans and don’t embrace the chaos of their faction and want to mix.
>Fire Warriors receive two decades of combat training, producing some of the best marksmen in the Tau species>Shitbritches the grot who just crawled out of the spore womb this morning has about the same level of accuracy
>>98263695You're missing out
>>98263709Xenos are the npc factions. Mindless hordes to fight, but chaos is the enemy within. The whole "Imperium is paranoid af" makes no sense if there would be no chaos.
>>98263714>live less than any other race>some how have more experience than everyone elseSee this is the retardation field anon was talking about
>>98263709Satanists in space is dope, actually.
>>98263709>My argument is simply that they feel tacked on.Because they are.Chaos as a whole was lazily stapled onto 40k in the latter half of Rogue Trader. Both the tabletop and even lore suffers from it now because chaosfags got into GW, took the reigns and have nose dived 40k to shit.
>>98263717Rules are not a representation of the canon.Commander Arra'kon has two repeated pulse pistols that he fights with outside his suit. When Tyranids boarded his ship, he used the guns to mow them down with deadly accuracy like some kind of sci-fi cowboy.
>>98263725>chaos is the enemy withinGenestealer say hello. Mother fuckers have empires bigger than the Tau for fuck sake
>>98263435Have you thought about Emperors Children?>fast>fun>cool colors>very new models>not an excessive pricepoint cause only few kits for 2000 pts
>>98263716This problem really comes from the way GW presents the armies these days. You really can't build a properly diverse chaos army with a bit of everything.
>>98263695You know, once you start putting stuff in girls' assholes you can't really go back to normal PIV stuff. And once you manage the gape a girl with an XXXL ass midget plug you can't go back to normal plugs either warhammer 40 000
>>98263494honestly, even darkwater sucks for random bullshit. sure the characters are varied but compared to blackstone fortress the enemy minis are very samey>dark eldar ghuls>spindle drones>black legion>traitor guard>psykers>dark mech servitors meanwhile the darkwater box enemies are purely nurgle.
>>98263743Degenerates like you belong in gass chambers
>>98263726Are we forgetting that the average lifespan of a member of the Imperial Guard is 15 hours? Four years of duty in the guard is considered an eternity.The Air Caste pilots train from the age of four and are given aircraft by the age of 8.Each promotion comes after four years of active duty and features a grueling test. An Vre rank flight lead would have at least two decades of combat experience.
>>98263610>>98263666You're posting crap that barely supports what you want to argueWatch this>superior depth perception >superior situational awareness >higher tolerance of acceleration >exceptional training >simulators grant near-perfect combat experience the explicit tradeoff being that while the average tau air caste pilot is superior to the average human pilot, the bell curve for other races is wider than it is taller which means they have more exceptionally experienced individuals cropping up here and there on occasions
>>98263716>>98263725Again, not bashing the lore, I just think that at the point that you add demons, add superheroes or mermaids, or even a group of squirrel people or something! Daemons just don't feel like a "Futuristic" faction, but that's just me. Like I said, in books and lore, that's chill, but on the tabletop, Chaos feels more like Sigmar or D&D than anything else.>>98263727>>98263730Yeah, but I'd be happier if they weren't literal monsters, maybe a form of deformed humanoid, sure, but flying squids?
>>98263718
>>98263754>but on the tabletop, Chaos feels more like Sigmar or D&D than anything else.On the tabletop, pretty much nobody uses demons. But you are right, and its obviously GWs fault for not having released some proper Cyber Demons for each god. Its just laziness on their part.
>>98263761>Cyber DemonsThis would be sweet. If the demons were cyber, I would totally take back everything I said.
>>98263725>The whole "Imperium is paranoid af" makes no sense if there would be no chaosIt was already a thing just fine before chaos got added to the setting.Genetic deviation can happen without chaos, alien hybridisation can happen without chaos, heretical movements can happen without chaos, either as techno heretical stuff, uprisings against the imperial hierarchy, or differing religious beliefs, or the worship of alien things.
>>98263750>Are we forgetting that the average lifespan of a member of the Imperial Guard is 15 hours?Ah you are one of those.
>>98263716demon fans are barely a thing
>>98263743>Bro, is it OK if I proxy my Castigator
>>98263735As an Eldar player, I can't in good conscience put Slaaneshi models near my elves. There may be...problems during transportation to the FLGS
>>98263772It was mentioned in the freaking codex and kill team too. It's canon!!!!
>>98263761>GWs fault for not having released some proper Cyber Demons for each godThey might be on the path to rectify that, even if the transition period is shit.
>>98263769yeah, I honestly do think chaos being so prominent does fuck up any internal conflict the imperium can have. civil wars and rebellions happen all the time irl and its all very grounded. the existence of chaos fucks this all up because instead of it being something like racial, religious, economic divides its going to be le chaos 90% of the time.
>>98263695>hears “buttplugs”> immediately thinks of them in a man’s ass instead of a woman’sYou’re the homosexual bud
>>98263751>fan fiction postingOk.jpg
>>98263787That appeals to the retarded manbabies that want to view the imperium as 100 percent justified in it's actions. If every rebellion etc is just due to chaos the setting doesn't actually have to involve narratives about how the Imperium itself is utterly dystopian and actively causing rebellions to occur due to how horrendously most people living in the imperium are treated by the imperial buerocracy and it's ruling classes.
>>98263791Analplay is inherently homosexual, you worthless degenerate.
>>98263781I think it was also mentioned in the first episode of aeronautica that only a small percentage of pilots survive their first engagement? Or was that just for that planet?
>>98263784The gellerpox set they released a while ago was certainly a step in the right direction, but there was nothing after that pretty much.
>>98263503What happens when Slaanesh gets an Eldars soul?
I miss the tauros
>>98263803It was a very generalised statement >only 14% of imperial pilots live past their first 3 combat zones
>>98263809They torture them forever because Eldar Souls never degrade or disintegrate into the warp stuff that normal Souls do. They were made to last eternally so that they could reincarnate, but Slaanesh blocks that now.
>>98263503Why the fuck would they do this sort of fuck you to the Eldar anyways? I am basically convinced that GW is staffed by people who just hate the Eldar.
>>98263798Yeah fucking women is super gay lol nice copeAnyway yeah 40k
>>98263781>astra miliwhatAh fanfiction I thought we where having a lore discussion.
>>98263809forever rape
>>98263824Yes, fucking anyone in the ass is gay, you scatalogical faggot.
>>98263809Infinite torture forever.The finer details are that they're essentially stuffed into a lightless crushing void that makes them feel nothing but agonizing pain that strips them of all thoughts except that they're suffering and it's terrible.Imagine falling into wet cement and then having a colossal concrete slab placed on top of you. You can't move, you can't see, you can't breathe, and every so often you either feel the slab move and scrape across your skin, or the cement beneath you hardens into tiny pinpricks that dig into your flesh. All this time you also have earphones in that are playing a playlist of air raid sirens and children screaming in terror at max volume.This continues FOREVER, with no reprieve or faintest glimmer of hope, until you literally forget everytbing except the pain.
>>98263833This nigga scared of a lil' doo doo feces on his penis he ain't fucked a shawty up her asswhole nigga ain't nobody letting him he a virgin nigga
>>98263289I hadn't read anything I remember where Örgvayr is mentioned by name earlier, but I have seen stories about Leagues and WE fighting several times and I assume that's the place they're going at it. It seems pretty cool.
>>98263833You arent fucking them up the ass though anon its a buttplugCan you get back on topic instead of raving like a lunatic about your psychosexual hangups?
>>98263842Why does Slaanesh do this to her makers? Daddy/mommy issues? I get she's the god of pleasure and pain but this is just like all pain.
>>98263777>Angron vs. LionWho are y'all choosing?
>>98263857The Eldar who embraced Slaanesh's birth became the first of Slaanesh's Daemon Princes and servants.The survivors were those who scorned Slaanesh and fled.
>>98263857Kairos told Lorgar that when Slaanesh was born, the Aeldari instantly recoiled in horror and rejected their newborn creation rather than embrace and love him. In this split second, the scorned Slaanesh developed a grudge against his creators and destroyed them. Now he hunts their remnants and subjects their souls to endless torment
>>98262866They aren't, they got overhyped.New cover/hidden rules is still a net reduction to shooting output.The dispositions don't matter that much because montka plan was already to table you by turn 3. If anything it's easier to play against that because the secondaries can now just wait and you sit in deploy and wait for them to commit.
>>98263817Pretty much the case. There are probably plenty of people at GW who would love to just drop all xenos factions entirely
>>98263877???I doubt it anon
>>98263809>instant obliteration >endless torture >brain melting bliss>unimaginable edginga mixture of the above
>>98263561If the base is touching the terrain, it is visible to anything that can draw true line of sight to it without going through some other terrain area. It would only gain the benefit of cover (-1 to hit) against things where it is not fully visible because of the piece of shrubbery. Against anyone behind or to the sides (or just in front but not blocked by the shrubbery) of it, it would not have any cover against.Only infantry, beasts and swarms gain cover by touching terrain areas, big shit does not.
>>98263898Im pretty sure its just infinite torture lol
>>98263905Thats too complicated if my niggas can see it i can shoot it problem solved
>>98263898It's just the torture. Eldar don't get any of the benefits from Slaanesh, only the negatives.
>>98263888Most black library and coexes writers are unironically imperiumfags and marinefags. I just remind you about that imperial fist fan, who wrote about iron warriors and how he shitted on peter the turbo
>>98263877Probably not all xenos but there's more than likely a majority of BL writers who just want Orks and Nids to be the only xenos to make writing the Imperium as good guys easier.
>>98263932Writing a particular faction is having lost a battle or something like that doesn’t mean that you hate them and you want them removed from the entire canon
>>98263932>shitted on peter the turbothat's based thoughthe only faggots more obnoxious and insufferable than impfistfags are IWfags
>>98263905How did they manage to fuck up 4th edition terrain rules.>true line of sight is still thereAh ok
>we're still mixing TLOS and abstractions like bases and footprints Ngl this will always be messy to me
>>98263898Slaanesh being the Prince of Pleasure doesn't mean he/she/it brings pleasure anon, rather that they're extremely hedonistic.They're 100% the fuck you got mine kind of person.So 100% infinite torture that fuels them. Did we forget the part where eldar souls going to slaanesh directly empowers them?
>>98263943Fistchads rise up
>>98263669all the best eldar art and lore was done in the 90s and early 00s anyways
>>98263975
>>98263302>grr they killed my friends>lecture from blackman leader>dogfight sceneand that's every episode
>>98263975>all the best art and lore was done in the 90s and early 00s anywaysFor everything in 40k.You can maybe pick up something from 5th, but anything past that is just ass.
>>98263948what you dont realize is that true line of sight is the last safeguard against the final boss of compfaggotry: flat terrain.
>>98263984This is probably the best eldar art ive ever seenSome of the dark eldar shit is cool sometimes with the gothic stuff going on but usually eldar look fucking stupid
>>98263302A BIG board for you, anon. Considering that eldar lose only 4 jets, thats a ratio
>>98263984
Slaanesh isn’t just the god of pain and pleasure, they are the god of excess. Perfection, pleasure, pain, artistry, drugs, murder, love, repetition, collecting, gluttony etc.A slaaneshi worshipper is not necessarily always a BDSM gimp. It’s about going too far, going too far will drive you towards Slaanesh.Also, Eldar souls are suffering because She who thirsts collects the eternal souls in their own hatefuck torture battery to power them and because Slaanesh explicitly hates Eldar for denying them.In my opinion, Slaanesh is the most interesting Chaos god, right after Nurgle, then Tzeentch. Khorne is as flat and stupid as his self lobotomizing followers are.
>>98263998
>>98263932And if they aren't imperiumfags they are chaosfags which are somehow fucking worse.The only people writing novels for xenos are weird sex pervert gender freaks that use those novels as excuses to push their ideology/fetish like how we got transgender and gay eldar in the corsair novel and nonbinary admech characters in the supposedly Ork novel.Black Library should be abolished and the people who write for it should be strung up dead.
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>>98263992I'm perfectly fine with flat terrain being the standard for tourneyfags as I will never use flat terrain myself
>>98263975There has been some decent Eldar art relatively recently as well but overall the quality of the art has gone down signifigantly. Dark Eldar have it even worse because for some reason the person GW has hired to make most of their deldar art just draws them as some fugly potato faced crackheads that look nothing like how they are described in the lore or how Jess Goodwin's concept art depicts them.
>>98263992Funny thing is, Warmachine terrain worked kind of similar like 4th terrain.But one ended flat while the other didn't I'd say that warmachine ended that way because it cater to tournamentfags.
I want to see more artwork of Space Marines being depicted as total fucking freaks.
>>98263575exodites, when finally out, will have tanned skin and dreadlocks (think of avatar navi)
>>98264014>too late, I am a named helmetless ultramarine character with more than 10 pages of story who needs a feat for the audience to understand my strength.
>>98264024I fucking pray that is not the case. Eldar have always been described as extremely pale, I hate this forced attempt to make the Eldar appearance reflect human skin tones.
>>98264018there's just something about that old 80s and 90s illustration style that hits different. like the kind of thing you used to see on old book covers for scifi and fantasy novels
>>98263997They'd need to quintuple that in order to get a positive K/D ratio.
Speaking of old Eldar art, do you think with modern plastic injection molding and sculpting techniques that GW can make new Dark Eldar that actually look like the old art instead of the old thick rounded dull-edged blade armor?
>>98263809We have a rare pov
>>98263948I like what Firefight did with determining that stuff from a focal model. It would be really interesting if pile ins were determined by islands in coherency created from shooting, but that basically requires templates or some other way for the attacker to create holes in the shooting phase to pile in to to those islands
>>98264032Yeah. I miss the days when 40k kits had those paintings as their boxart.
>>98264032Soul
Really, why did they change LoS, targeting and wound allocation from 4th?
>>98264036Personally I massively prefer their new look. The old Dark Eldar looked extremely goofy whereas the redesign they got in the 00s made them among the best looking armies in the game.Kabalite warriors are propably my favorite troops in the game just in terms of how they look and the weapon options they have.
>>98264047Change for the sake of change to justify new purchases and thus their jobs
>>98264039i will say for the most part, the new models do a pretty good job representing that classic aesthetic, they did surprisingly well. im not the biggest fan of the fully covered rear gunner on the vyper but apart from that everything else has been a phenomenal translation. they even captured the look of the shrine tokens straight from the 2nd edition illustrations
>>98264047Targeting is simple: people gamed it and used vehicles to set up firing lanes that sniped high priority models
>>98264049>they got in the 00sit was 2010
>>98264055Yeah, I have nothing to complain about the refreshed Eldar range. Hopefully we'll get updated Dire Avengers as well this edition.
>>98264056Which was easier on the sparser tables of yesteryear than the higher terrain density of modern tables set up to tournament standards.
>>98264058I recalled it being in 2008 or 2009.
>>98264058There was no year 0 so 2010 was the last year of the 00s
>>982640564th had a rule specifically to avoid that.You could chose someone else if your opponent was a waacfag
>>98264070>There was no year 0that's the year 2000 in this case
>>98263992>>98264022The current edition of Warmachine enforces 3D terrain despite using 2D LoS so this argument is invalid.
>>98263777There are few daemons fans because it's stuck as a rainbow clown vomit lore rape army and the few fans that do exist desperately want it to stay that way
>>98264081Maybe I was confusing it with 3rd.
>>98264049Agreed. It's really weird that the rumors are of that being the first unit they want to refresh for Dark Eldar when they have so many other units that look way worse or aren't even for sale anymore.
>>98263817>>98263877>something interesting happens>start cryposting because a single eldar got permadeath'dman come on
>>98264086it doesnt matter. compfags will always revert to the lowest form of degeneracy. i remember warmachine always had the best diorammas and scenery tables in its game books, but then when you see how it was actually played in the wild, especially towards the end of 2nd edition and early 3rd, it just put you off the game all together. fucking flat terrian, proxy bases, effect rings, cloud circles. disgusting
>>98264100If they do refresh them I hope they don't touch their aesthetics because they look fantastic.
>>98264100We have entered the era where new product sells better because it's "new" regardless of whether it offers anything more than the previous one.
>>98264103>It doesn't matter, I want to stay mad because of memes from 20 years agoYou do you senpai.
>>98264093Not a thing in 3rd either.This:>Targeting is simple: people gamed it and used vehicles to set up firing lanes that sniped high priority modelsWas never a thing in 3rd or 4th. Just made up shit by people that never played 40k.
>>98264093It was 5th and onward where bullshit like rhino sniping was starting to be used
>>98264037Source?
>>98264110The funny part is that you can look at 40k competitive play today and see a lot of the same shit and how it takes over the hobby.
>>98264024>>98264031Could be real, sadly. GW hates eldar in general
There is only two old helmets on the Armageddon intercessor sprue?
>>98264113Did everyone cheat or something?This was not a thing in 5th either.
>>98264115Obviously some Age of Sigmar garbage, it's also written like complete ass.
>>98264126Guess it came around in 6th or 7th then, hard to remember the differences between so many editions, I just assumed it was 5th because that's when most things started getting shittier. My friends and I never played with sweaty tourneyfag tricks like that anyways and only ever heard about other people doing it.
>>98264115Part of the short stories released on warcom for aos' malign portents (the narrative shortly before their 2nd edition).
>>98264117>Moving the goalpostYour thesis is that the TLoS idiocy is the last thing that stands between 40k and 2D scenery. Even a single example that counters the argument is enough to make a thesis invalid. Warmachine Mk4 is such an example. We are done here.
>>98264129>implying 40k garbage is written any better
does lhykhis want a full 10 man unit of warp spiders or just 5?seems like they would want a full 10 since they lose the ability to warp if all the spiders die, but you get most of the units value from the exarch and additional basic guys are kind of diminishing returns, also a pricey unit. anyone have any experience with them?
>>98264142I'm not the same anon you replied to, I'm just chiming in for funsies, didn't even read the other replies.
>>98264024As long as they don't have negroid facial features it's all good.
>>98264143Anon, your reading comprehension, please. Do you not see the word 'also' in that post? If I were saying it's written like ass BECAUSE it's Age of Sigmar that added word would not be present.I said it's AoS because it mentions characters like Teclis, and it's ALSO written like complete ass as a general observation. Of course 40k has a bunch of garbage writing too.
>>98264152It would be better for you if you prepared yourself for the nigelves now
>>98264024>tanned skinThey come as grey plastic you fucking tertiary
Ghazghul should turn Armageddon into a giant ork rock and send it towards Terra
>>98264138>people gamed it and used vehicles to set up firing lanes that sniped high priority modelsThis in particular was never a thing. The closest thing we ever got to that was during 7th that you started to take casualties from the closest model to sources of the damage, but during that editions people where not using vehicles to create situation that could exploit it. They had other bullshit that could reliable wipe entire squads before they would need to pull the vehicle firing lanes.
>>98264145Excellent use of free will.
>>98263942Eldar, unlike orks, are not common saturday morning villains and nu40k is about "kill le heckin evil for humankind". So its easily to forget about them, or delete
>>98264158Please no, if we actually get monkey's pawed like that I'm gonna rage out.>finally after waiting decades you get exodite models with awesome dinosaurs and modern sculpting quality>they are fucking BLACK GORILLA NIGGERS with pointy earsDon't, James... don't do it... PLEASE just let Eldar players have one fucking thing
>>98264144It really doesn't matter. Eldar are currently dumpster tier and Aspects hilariously got nerfed on top of that with the new edition. Just run what you want and brace for a beating.
>>98263942Writing a faction as losing "a battle', sure "every battle", fuck no lol. When was the last time that Eldar actually won anything?
>>98264173>Eldar are currently dumpster tierCan you believe these are real words that actually got typed in 2026A decade ago we thought the Eldar being OP was going to be a thousand year reich
>>98264173Wait, Eldar are trash now? That's new.
>>98264165It wasn't squad members. It had do with an interaction with when Independent Characters could be targeted, which was if they were the nearest visible unit and maybe a Wound threshold.
>>98264168You know it. My point is more that the spectacle of the game is completely fucked by hyper competitive sorts. You said 20 years ago yet many modern 40k tournaments have big dumb coasters for your models to stand on along with soulless terrain. One of the big things I recall from yesterday are the amazing campaign tables they'd show off in older editions, I think that is still a very big and powerful part of the game that's been left by the wayside.
>>98264177They'll find a way back. They always do because of how the army is designed with efficient unitaskers.
>>98264165There was definitely a time when rhino sniping was a thing, but as I said, my friends and I never even considered playing like that, we shunned WAACniggers around our stores, so I only have a vague awareness of it existing and I can't pinpoint the time period or the specific rules interaction that allowed it.
>>98264181I don't argue that tables became boring and lazy. I argue that True Line of Sight in no way prevents this process.
>>98264171It's inevitable now you've written it all down. First fully Africanoid faction incoming.
If I'm running a shooting unit on Dark Angels, am I just looking at Heavy Intercessors, or is there a good, unique shooting unit in that chapter?
>>98264177The only worse armies are Space Wolves and Agents, and Wolves are probably above them at this point.
>>98264189As far as I remember that sort of thing just works out. I dunno, I liked looking at it from the perspective of the model(s) firing because it feels more like a simulation of the battlefield, but that's just me.
>>98264193>>98264177>>98264173What happened?
>>98264190Realistically I bet they do this with a few heads but the rest will be fine and it won't be too difficult to convert them with headswaps from like a Dark Eldar kit or something
>>98264181And they still have those photoshoots in the new books. The problem is ruins have a lot of really useful properties as a terrain type, and are easy to build.If you have random cardboard lying around, what is the easiest terrain you can make with the most bang for your buck in terms of what it can do? L-shaped ruins.
>>98264179The same thing applied to characters, for rules purposes they where part of the unit.Different editions have different degrees of granularity regarding T, Sv, W and gear, but using vehicles to snipe character was not a thing rules wise. Since you could always put the wound on someone else in the squad.The only time you could target a character was when it was on their own and usually when it was closest and only visible unit. And at that point you would be shooting it by default since it would be like shooting at any other unit. The only difference is that is a unit compose of just one model.Either people cheated, never played or never read the rules.
>>98264047I may be wrong, it's been a long while since I checked either rulebook, but I remember that some change happened around 6th edition>before: if more than a certain percentage of the unit is in cover, the entire unit is in cover. casualties are removed from wherever you want, which also means you can remove models that aren't even in los of the shooting unit, or remove enough models in cover so that the unit is no longer in cover for whatever successive shooting attack from another unitthis simulated troops dying as they're on the move, or walking forward as their fellow soldier in front of them falls>after: cover is determined on an individual basis and casualties are removed from the closest model, which also means that models out of los of the shooting unit cannot be killed in the shooting sequence and that the shooting unit can "push back" enemy units by removing the models closest to them, making charges more difficult and sometimes nullifying entire movement phases.this was sold as a more realistic and evocative approach, but quickly turned crunchy to play because people would abuse technicalities in the targeting or use characters as living shields.and it also reeked of gunline faggots amongst the writers not wanting to actually engage in the rest of the game.
>>98264123no
>>98264199Most of the Eldar detachments were incredibly niche or even bad, and the good ones involved running small squads of T3 5++ save minis.Basically the ONLY way to play them properly was to just alpha strike your opponent and hope you crippled them enough that they couldn't swing back. When this tactic got nerfed, Eldar basically had no fallback options.
>>98264187>>98264179Not a thing. Every edition had a variation of the same rule.The only way you could target a character was if it was it's own unit and it was the closest and visible thing to shoot at.If the guy was attached to a unit and was the only visible thing you could take casualties from somewhere else in the unit.People really read some fucking cheater in a forum and ran with it
>>98264158I trust Jes's iron fist on the development of the eldar, if niggelfs are coming, it will be 3 or 6 years from now, not now.
>>98264223I guess people just created a meme back in the day and it spread from retards who never read the rules. Checks out honestly.
>>98264210You literally described the use case, dumbass.
>>98264204If I'm going to play poorhammer like that, I'll also end up using whatever I've got to try and conjure up something vaguely interesting to fight over, heck even using books to make hills is a pretty fine idea.
We are an hour and a half away from feeling either incredible excitement or immense disappointment
>>98264224>it will be 3 or 6 years from nowWoke is losing the culture war badly so things are actually likely to get better in the next 3-6 years, what we're seeing now is the sludge of the last 3-6 years clearing from the pipeline.
>>98264238There have been many disappointing reveal shows in the past but I have a good feeling about this one, as long as you're a chad that likes good 40k models from any system including Necromunda, Kill Team, Heresy, etc. At least ONE of these will show off something awesome today.
>>98262216SM and Orks codexes, multipart kits for Armageddon ETB units, a new dreadnought or a bike captain perhaps.
>>98264234>Targeting is simple: people gamed it and used vehicles to set up firing lanes that sniped high priority modelsNot really. Since if you read the rules, you would know that the only reason you could target a character was:>they are their own unit>not attached to anything else>closest unit>only thing visibleUsually the only way that could happen was if for some reason you left your character alone in front of the enemy. At that point there is no need to create a fire line, since your united by default without a leadership test for target priority would be shooting at it. Just by the sheer fact it is the closest unit. Also if you are running a character solo and running straight towards the enemy it usually was a character that could tank the damage.Like some marine units with 2+/4++/6+++ and ignore insta death
Gotta be honest I don't feel like Eldar deserve to win.
>>98264224Well, containment is already broken in maelstorm report game (some dude in skirt from 'eavy metal painting team use his blackwashed corsair army)
>>98264264>>only thing visiblethe point is that this was easy as fuck to game and abuse just by putting a tank between your unit and the target so that the character is the only visible model of that unit
>>98264271True but if you think about it only Orks and Necrons actually deserve to win
>>98264274No negroid noses or lips, no problem.
>>98264228>>98264264No, the rules explain exactly how the sniping happens.Let there be an IC who has not joined a unit at 18" and squad A at 13", and firer F.In order for F to target the IC, the IC must be the closest visible target.F must target A unless A is not a legal target. How would you make A not a legal target? Block LOS to A.If LOS is blocked to A s.t. A is not a legal target, the IC becomes the closest visible target, even though it is further than A.
>>98264024I mean.. aren't they jungle-dwelling 'savages' that have forsaken the majority of eldar tech shit? Would be heavily stereotypical, but worst case scenario you can do head swaps with other Eldar kits.
Oh my
>>98264024Eldar with dreadlocks would be blasted for being cultural appropriation unless all the models were blatantly black coded.
>>98264228In fact I'm not even sure how the Tau Fish of fury is supposed to work. Since Vehicles regardless if it was your or your enemy blocked line of sight in 3rd, 4th and 5th. Skimmers only ignored models and terrain for movement purposes and some benefits in close combat.There is also no rule in the Tau codex regarding skimmers.
>>98264284>aren't they jungle-dwelling 'savages' that have forsaken the majority of eldar tech shit?no, they still have all the tech, they're where the eldar armies in titanicus got their knight titans fromThey're just planetbound instead of spaceborne, and do gardening and farming instead of the craftworlders' zen shit.
>>98264295What you mean like striking scorpions have had for decades?
>>98264319those are predator dreads, they don't count
>>98264280All this nonsense when IC work like this: For the most part a character became IC when they are no longer in coherency with a unit.That could only happen if you intentionally move it away and declared it was independent. Or if the rest of the unit died. If for some reason the IC is some how further away and another unit is closer you can simply do a leadership test and shoot itIn other words in order for an IC to be a valid target it just needs to be on its own. You can always shoot it as long it is the closest or you pass a leadership test.
>No leeks (photos)James got the lid tight on this one? Why?
>>98264170I still dont understand your complaint or your reasoning
>>98264348>James got the lid tight on this oneWe've had rumors of the stuff they're going to show for months now.
>>98264175They win 40k comp majors sometimesTheyve been very good in several metas
>Talking as if Exodites are actually happeningThe KT reveal Steel Legion infantry vs Flash Boyz you morons.
>>98264175Valedor (Guy Haley) in 2017. And it was pretty minor and tied into Ynnari. Eldar have lost in every major campaign they have participated in story wise though.
>>98264358Well now if it isn't exodites I'm blaming you
>>98264357>they are good in the board gameKill. Yourself. Immediately.
>>98264358shut up
>>98264365>are goodwere*
>>98264365This thread oscillates heavily between giving a shit about nothing but the lore, and giving a shit about nothing but the game itselfSome people would say the exact opposite of what you’re saying since eldar have been extremely good on tabletop for a long time
>>98264358>Steel Legion infantryNot even that, it'll be new Assault Intercessors.Gotta cash in on new edition hype.
>>98264358don’t be retarded. its going to be armageddon ork hunters vs mad boys
>>98264373Except we are talking explicitly about the lore.>Eldar are written badly, only ever losing fights which makes their overarching meta narratives boring because you know ahead of time they will never win or look cool>But they win in the board gameYou see how these things arent related at all?
>>98264354I think it's going to be the Legion of the Damned in the Kill Team.The only reason I believe this is because how much GW is pushing the fire aspect of the summer on the preview page (or it could just be that they live in the UK at the moment).
>>98264334Why leave it to chance, especially if you have mediocre LD and can bypass it by making the priority target one that does not require any randomness to target?I'm not denying that this was situational and required some specific setups (made easier by many tables not following the 25% rule in the BRB that, get this, resembles modern tournament tables). But it's an obvious reading of the rules without additional errata.
>everyone assuming the Exodite release is Kill Team>yfw it's a full 40k model line
>>98264380I mean dude you’re welcome to that opinion idk why you’re so heatedI dont mind the way eldar are written personally but if you dont like it you can gripe about it I guess I just dont agreeThis topic started with “GW hates eldar” which would be weird since they either win or come second in every major for like 6+ years
>>98264381>I think it's going to be the Legion of the Damned in the Kill Team.The thing is they had that kind of cringy *nudge nudge wink wink* when they said the kill team reveal would be "off the scale".
>>98264387We're trying to keep it reasonable
>>98264394GW does hate Eldar, because Gav Thorpe hates Eldar, and he wrote Eldar, and he has admitted to hating them and making them suck on purpose multiple times. Then "eldar always lose" became part of GWs internal lore bible and thats it forever. Thats bad writing. Being awful at everything you do for the meta reason of your author intentionally wanted elves to be bad at everything because he made being a dwarf fag his personality is cringe.
>>98264401>and he wrote EldarThis is a fucking newfag meme. Eldar were in since Rogue Trader and Gav didn't even work there yet. And before you say "all da lore changed in 2nd/3rd edition!" no, all the Craftworld lore came out during RT, literally just got reprinted almost word for word in 2nd ed codex.
>>98264401Making something suck because you hate it is only bad writing from the perspective of someone who likes the thingIf I also hate the thing I might like it when they suck and get fucked lol
>>98264401Imperial Frieren genuinely makes me depressed to see considering it shows how blatant the community's disdain for Eldar is.
>>98264409Its not a newfag meme. Eldar were in the game OG, Jes Goodwin was the art brain behind the big Eldar art refresh/consolidation and Gav Thorpe solidified their lore based on Goodwins designs. STFU fake grog.>>98264413https://artelw.com/Frierend-Wayseer-p778129099
>>98264413You mean xenos in general?Its also just a meme anon lol dont get too in your feelings about it
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>>98264419Arguing about 65 year old fat ugly boomers writing your alieussy faction you know you’re a faggot right?Like who gives a fuck lol
>>98264419>and Gav Thorpe solidified their loreNo he didn't, lying retard. It was all DONE AND WRITTEN by Rick fucking Priestley before Gav Thorpe even worked at the fucking company. You are such a humongous homosexual faggot calling other people "fake grog" while being one yourself.
>>98264425I am a fan of 40k in a 40k thread on a nerd website. This is my house motherfucker.
>>98264409>Eldar were in since Rogue Traderand they didn't have stories written specifically as some kind of misery porn
>>98264434Literally one of the first stories they got in White Dwarf during Rogue Trader was them fighting a Slaaneshi army and it makes a point to show the part where a beautiful howling banshee has her soulstone ripped out and eaten by a Keeper of Secrets and the POV character gets traumatized watching in horror.This has always been the point of the faction. They are misery porn incarnate since basically day 1.
>>98264448There is a difference between losing sometimes and as anon said misery porn. ita 40k, Heavy metal fantasy gore is part and parcel with the setting. That has nothing to do with thorpes vision of eldar as being objectively inferior to humans, orks, demons, etc in every way.
>>98264427Wierd that andy chambers and jes goodwin, and gav himself, credit gav with the modern incarnation of eldar
>>98264427>rogue trader era loreyea, and space marines eat poop, there are beakies everywhere and your typical inquisitor is named sherlock obiwan clouseau.
Whats a change you would make for your faction that you would like but would piss off the rest of your army's player base.>all future guard releases are cadians and only cadians. No more special snowflake regiment releases.
>>98264382>Why leave it to chanceYou are already leaving it to chance. This is middlehammerLets say the scenario of the vehicle placement to just target happen, you would have in the best case scenario 2 units, 3 if you for some strange reason bunch up everyone and blocked the line of sights to the rest of the army, just to kill 1 dude.You'd still have at best 4 weapons per unit worth using or in range.Since the character that would be alone would be some insane 2+/4++/6+++ ingore insta death kind of characters with 3W and T4 or T5 if it is some bike character (which would be the realistic target)You would miss 4 weapons. Since any other army would just take the leadership test as it would not have the vehicles or the lower leadership to pull out the vehicle spam or need to block lines since the leadership would be enough.2 wound, and the target saves all of them.Woopty doo.So obviously you will add True line of sight to fix this! in 5th! that had the same character rules as 4th! >>98264047>>98264056Like it was asked and incorrectly responded originally.The entire line of sight vehicle blocking was a made up thing in a forum of no games. Because if you played the game you would not it is retarded and didn't happen.
>>98264427Gav Throrpe explicitly called Priestlys Eldar "generic space elves" and views his and goodwins work as transforming them into something more interesting. And by interesting, dogshit. Because he hates elves.He said High Elves were the most boring part of WHFB because they were just good at everything and that is "boring". Priestley's elves were far superior because they weren't tainted by Gav Thorpes retardery
>>98264526Inquisition gets a big push, new stormtroopers and more oddballs.
EXODITES
Are you guys ready?
>>98264751Wait a minute, that thing on the right...
>AI art on the box sets Lmao it's over
>>98264811OMGBuilding in stream
>a little more than 2 combat patrols
>>98264799don't get your hopes up, it's going to be an AoS sylvaneth model.
my honest reaction to exodites
>>98264424Might want to make another new thread.
