>>OverviewWe are going to construct some mechs. This is a stand alone thread for mech construction challenges. Each scenario given will have 4 days to submit an entry. You may submit more than once (like we could tell anyhow) but each must be on its own post.The bids will then be compiled and voted on by Anons in the thread to determine who gets the contract. Voters should consider the mech's cost, effectiveness in the desired role, and the fluffiness of the sales pitch and description.>>RulesYear, tech base, and tech level to be used for the mech will be specified in the scenario, and should be followed.Positive quirks must equal or be exceeded by negative quirks, with no more than 6 quirks total.Adherence to the desired combat role, tonnage, or budget are not strictly necessary, but may impact how anons vote on your design.>>FormatingMech pitches should be formatted as follows:Chassis ModelRoleWeightQuirksBattle Value at a 4/5 pilotDry Cost in C-BillsSales pitch and In setting fluff.>> The first scenario will be posted after the OP with a deadline date and time.
Scenario OneThe year is 3151 and the inner sphere is at war. The long rearmament is in full swing and for some companies there are niches ready to be filled. One of these has long been held by the lowly Urbanmech. A cheap mech sold to worlds in need of a garrison and defense mech. It's not much but it fills a role to assure the citizens of nothing else.You think you can do better and snatch those long unopposed sells. Your challenge is to make a competitive mech better than the Urbanmech and take those sales!>> Requirements Make a cheap, jump capable mech that can deal a respectable punch. You need something that can perform as good or ideally better than an Urbanmech at a similar price point. Price: 1.5 Million c-bills or underSpeed: match or exceed the Urbanmech movement. Jumpjects recommend Weapons: At least one Hard hitting weapon, anti infantry or riot control weapons a plus but not required.>> End date:June 30th, 10AM EST(UTC+4)
>>98263506>The year is 3151 and the inner sphere is at war.Does this mean we can use Mixed Tech?
>>98263624You can use any tech. I forgot to include that in the scenario, something I have now updated in the template. It may make the price point harder to hit, but it's allowed.
>>98263675Well it turns out a Clan ER Large Laser runs a bit too hot without Double Heat Sinks, so we going super basic:Aoyama A0-YAmbusher25 TonsEasy to MaintainNarrow/Low ProfilePoor Life SupportDifficult EjectionBV2: 5681,388,646 C-billsThe Aoyama is a simple light mech essentially built around a Large Laser.Starting with Industrial Mech components, it's development lacks some of the "Quality of Life" features that could be expected of a more mature Battlemech, specifically in it's Life Support and Ejection Systems, but it's squat and narrow body gives it a much reduced target profile.This, plus the simplicity of the components, make it a rough riding but excellent Garrison Mech for Urban Centers, where it can make best use of it's 120 meter Jump range and 6 tons of armor.
>>98263506Sounds fun, ill play
LawmanSkirmisher/Anti-Infantry25 tonsNo quirks o speak ofBV 6111.428.750 C-BillsBuilt around proven technology, the 25-ton Lawman is a slow but hard-hitting machine. A shoulder-mounted PPC is supplemented by two Small Pulse Lasers deliberately arranged in a side-by-side handheld mount reminiscent of a shotgun. Eleven heat sinks are enough to allow for Jump Jet driven in-and-out actions reminiscent of the heavier Panther and Griffin models at a fraction of the price. Be it 'mechs or men, no-one can ignore the presence of the law!
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How come mechs cost only 1-3 milly C-Bills? The Abrams MBT is $6-10 million. An F-35 costs $80-110 million. At 1.5 million C-bills, even small periphery nations should be able to field whole batallions of mechs.
>>98268116A c-bill is roughly $5 US in the 90s. Which still puts it cheaper. Don't dwell on BT economy to much or god kills a cat girl.That being said, you are looking at dirt cheap mechs at that price point. Very little new tech. It's hard to hit that price point really.
>>98268116>>98268222Plus remember, 1.5 million C-bills gets you a LIGHT mech like an Urbanmech or a Locust.
>>98268116Advances in manufacturing technology and economies of scale. The US can build an F-35 for about the same price as the Swedes can build the significantly inferior Gripen and for less than the French can build a moderately inferior Rafale, though I might be misremembering on the Rafale's price per unit.
>>98268116>How come mechs cost only 1-3 milly C-Bills? The Abrams MBT is $6-10 million. An F-35 costs $80-110 million. At 1.5 million C-bills, even small periphery nations should be able to field whole batallions of mechs.Like >>98268317 said, a 1 C-Bill =/= 1 USD. 1 C-bill : $1 in 1990 means that 1M C-bills is now ~$13.2M USD in CY+11. Cost-adjusted, a modernized Bradley that costs $4.5M would be ~342,000 C-bills or about 1/3 of a Locust - a mech that had been in production for 550 years at the time of the invasion - which would cost $19.8M USD. Heavier and less common mechs also require a huge amount of investment and engineering if you want to actually build them from scratch instead of cobbling them together from parts that have been kicking around in a warehouse for centuries. The prices are still fucked though so don't think about it TOO hard.
>>98268926>The prices are still fucked though so don't think about it TOO hard.There is a reason FASAnomics exist.
Apache APH-3Ambusher20 tonsBad Reputation (IS)No Ejection SystemPoor Life SupportNimble JumperReinforced LegsBattle ComputerBV2: 3901,548,083 C-BillsFerrando Industries is proud to present the APH-3 "Apache", a very affordable CQC-specialized humanoid 'mech for the 32nd century which we feel represents an aspect of urban combat that existing 'mechs overlook - stabbings. Featuring 5/8/3 movement, 4.5 tons of armor, a medium vibroblade and two heavy small lasers of Clan design, the guiding principle of the Apache represents our core principle of violence of action. To that end the legs have been reinforced to prevent damage while engaging in attacks from above, a Battle Computer has been installed to increase pilot reaction speeds, and precision during jumps has been increased via our proprietary K.A.I.Z.O. system. While some have criticized our decision to not implement an ejection system and our "sub-standard" life support and heat management systems, our response is that these features are not necessary when the 'mech is used as intended and pilot survival is in fact increased - during field tests performed in [REDACTED], zero test pilots were lost to ammunition explosions.We regret that we were incapable of meeting the exact financial requirements of the tender, but our legal department has retained several mathematicians who are prepared to testify that 1,548,083 rounds down to 1,500,000 at any level of precision and we are prepared to litigate if our tender is rejected on financial grounds.
Gambling on the promise of advanced technology at rock-bottom prices, SMITH-INDUSTIAL (Pty ltd) leveraged it's civilian 'mek and aviation infrastructure to produce the "cabbagemoth">Chassis ModelCabbageMoth "CbMth">Roleskirmisher>Weight25tQuirkseasy to maintain, improved life support, no ejection seat>Battle Value at a 4/5 pilot367>Dry Cost in C-Bills1,224,443 (1,225,000 with optional paint and wax coating)>Sales pitch and In setting fluff.Sun tsu said - "fight only on the ground you are strongest". to that we ask- why fight on the ground at all? capable of 4/6/6 movement thanks to it's partial wing, the cabbage moth can flit through urban sprawl and rough terrain alike, easily doubling the performance of many competitors. Offensively, the left arm is formed by an (almost new) blazefyre large laser, proven and easily replaced technology throughout the periphery. Defensively the 'mek carries 2.5t of armour primarily built around the head and torso. The left arm carries a fluid gun, reccomended to be loaded with 0.5 tonnes of water or other innert fluids for fire suppression (use of fluid gun for chemical warfare voids the warranty)Finally, as deluxe features, the Cabbagemoth has an arm with a hand and a CT dumper (rear) SMITH-INDUSTRIAL gambled that their use of industrial structure and commercial armour would be selling points, as it would allow price-consious buyers to source their own replacement parts domestically. This played into the high mobility, allowing the cabbagemoth to kite and escape unfavourable engagements if damaged. Critically, this supposed "survivability" was supposed to offset the lack of an ejection system (rendered impractical by the improved life support deemed nesessary for "fire suppression" with the fluid gun). They hoped that bureaucrats would see this as a way to encourage mekjocks to bring their frames back in one piece, or at least without losing the costly fusion engine.
>>98263506Napoleon MER-D5Skirmisher/Ambusher30 TonsNo Ejection System, Rugged (1)BV2: 5351,487,590 C-BillsThe first mech to be offered from Atlas International, the Napoleon aims to be a cheap, affordable and reliable alternative to the Urbanmech, while serving a wider variety of roles on battlefield.Based, visually, on the bulky-limbed look of the Crusader (especially the mechs large lower legs, the armor of which looks nothing so much like a pair of large boots), the Napoleon ends up looking, as one test-pilot commented, like "the child of a Crusader, dressed in its dads work-clothes." While not anywhere as intimidating or impressive a look as was hoped for, the mech none-the-less fills the role of an urban ambusher and security mech, designed to cheaply hold the line while back-up arrives. Its main armament is a ER Large Laser, mounted in the head with the help of a small cockpit. While a tight-fit, and lacking the hard-hit of the Urbanmech's usual armaments, Atlas International argues that it allows the mech to serve a wider variety of roles; it doesn't have to worry about ammo (much less ammo-explosions), and allows it to hit targets at far longer ranges, without resorting to artillery. This is backed up with a Small Pulse Laser in the left torso, and a flamer in the right, both mainly to serve as anti-infantry weapons, which is further enhanced by a machine in the right arm. 16 single heat-sinks work hard to keep the mech cool. Notably, an anti-personnel pod sits in each leg as standard; while there inclusion seems somewhat perfunctory to the mechs other armaments, they exist to address a flaw in the design. The mech was originally designed to have protected actuators, but the design team couldn't make it work, thus the pods inclusion to make up for this missing extra bit of protection in an urban environment. Although, the lack of an ejection system seems like a larger point of concern...
>>98263506Bakka BK-HARole: AmbusherWeight: 25 tonsQuirks: Improved Sensors, Narrow/Low Profile, No/Minimal Arms, Non-Standard PartsBV: 627Cost: 1,483,542 C-billsFukkyu Industries is pleased to announce a true premium defence option at a non premium price. Armed with the Bugkiller Heavy PPC, it is guaranteed to kill or cripple any would be raider that would come knocking at your door with a single shot. For any would be infantry our highly accurate Dissident-Remover Small Pulse Laser system provides an exceptional backup weapon. To aid target acquisition in an urban environment our Brighteyes Bakka Computer aids the sensors in detecting intruders allowing the pilot to redeploy and intercept effectively. If maintaining such a design is a concern our own subsidiary, Fukkyu Logistics, is willing to supply exclusive long term access to replacement parts. For more details contact our sales department at the Fukkyu Gaijin District on Luthien.All this in an affordable 25 ton small efficient boxy package, you would be truly bakka to not purchase one today!
>>98263506Are the cbill costs net or dry cost?
>>98270468Should be dry. Ammo is not really part of the unit cost
>>98263506Clan Seafox presents the Snipe. The Snipe utilized a mixture of clan and inner sphere technology to produce a low-cost, mobile, and well protected light battlemech.The primary armament of the Snipe is an accurate Seafox built ER PPC mounted on its back capable of delivering extreme firepower out to extreme ranges, while in its head are two clan small pulse lasers for fighting off enemy infantry or in close combat. Its primary armament is capable of outright destroying many light mechs in a single shot, and since all of its armament is centrally located in the torso and head disabling the Snipe without killing it outright is extremely difficult.For mobility the Snipe is capable of reaching ground speeds up to 86 km/h making it capable of keeping up with most line and trooper battlemechs while its two light jump jets offer some tactical flexibility in rough terrain. Finally for armor the Snipe is very well protected for its weight class, with ample armor to survive a volley of medium or pulse lasers that most mechs designed to hunt light mechs rely on.Clan Seafox is so confident in this battlemech that we've already started a full production run, planning to build at least 1000 battlemechs by the end of the year, although with contracts those numbers can be scaled up significantly.
>>98263506>>98270485Hotseat H0T-5E4TRole: Missile BoatWeight: 20 tonsQuirks: Easy to Maintain, Narrow/Low Profile, No/Minimal Arms, No Ejection SystemBV: 339Cost: 1,433,200 C-bills dryHere at Regulan Enterprises we believe that anyone attacking your property should be the first and last mistake they should be ever allowed to make. Our Hotseat Mobile Tactical Nuclear Delivery System will ensure that nothing will be left standing after any engagement. You will only ever need to teach your enemy this lesson once!
>>98270510Notice you didn't put a price on that...
>>98270665Its Clan Seafox, the price is always up for negotiation.
>>98270510This requires a price, role, weight, quirks if any and a BV listed to be considered
>>98263506Dreamer DMR-1Ambusher25 TonsQuirks: Easy to Maintain, Easy to Pilot, Exposed Actuators, Weak LegsBV: 504Dry Cost: 1,450,938-LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!There is often a competition in budget between the aerospace and mech acquisitions. And I tell you now, there was once a dream! A dream that was realized and can be again!Presenting to you, the Dreamer DMR-1! The first LAM in nearly a century, the first one to have a reasonable price since the days of the Star League, and the first one that costs below 2 million C-Bills!And even with such a low price tag, we have taken especial care to make sure to address the problems of those old designs to make ours easier to control and maintain! Now some of you may worry about the legs looking a bit exposed, but even in 'mech mode you can jump around and in all others you can fly! Who could do something like a kick to them? And infantry? Do you not see that X-Pulse Laser? Even if they could, such forces would be taken out with ease.
>>98270721Amazing you can't read a mech record sheet. Price is obviously under 1.5 mil, everything else is listed on the record sheet.
>>98270665Under 1.5 million. Is a price difference between 1,483,542 and 1,487,590 going to be a deciding factor?
>>98270762Everyone else is following the rules laid out in the OP and Scenario. It's as simple as that.
>>98270963Whatever
>>98263506Gecko GEK-1OMissile Boat25 TonsQuirks: Easy To Maintain, Easy to Pilot, Difficult Ejection, Exposed ActuatorsBV 598Dry Cost 1,500,000 C-BillsDesigned by two and a half men in a shed on Detroit, I present to you the Gecko, the perfect addition to any militia mech force looking for some firepower at a low cost. This beauty uses a stable four legged design that is easy enough to handle that even a child could pilot it making it an ideal trainer when not on guard duty! Off the shelf components means you don't have to search far for replacements if you so need it! Those MML's means this machine offers unparalleled versatility to any force letting it provide indirect fire support from afar or a mean punch up close, plus a rather strong riot control option should that need arise! If those ammo bins run dry then don't you worry that medium laser gives some reliable backup punch while you find time to reload. Don't worry about it being a bit awkward to get out of, five and half tons of armor with a C.A.S.E. protected ammo means you won't be needing to jump out anytime soon! Worried about infantry closing in on those legs? Well you can just jump away easily!This no nonsense approach to mech design can be yours for the exact price of one and half million!
>>98263624>>98263675>mixed techAnyone find it odd that MegaMek assigns the same C-bill price for the Clan and Inner Sphere versions of most weapons? Seems like the Clan version should be considerably more expensive.
>>98271332That's not a megamek problem thats a game problem from the get go. If it was up to me I'd be assigning Clan tech at least a 25% markup over IS equivalent in this era, if not higher.
>>98271332>>98271340I don't disagree here. Hell clan stuff is just fucking better. It's why by the dark age you see everyone slowly switching to clan tech as they can.I could have sworn they were different costs, but then I don't look at the newer construction book much.
>>98263506ChiselerRole: Ambusher, Juggernaut, Missile BoatTons: 25Quirks: Poor Workmanship, RamshackleBV 349 [BASE], 467 O, 470 Config OA, 407 Config OBDry Cost 1,237,240 C-bills [BASE], 1,474,740 C-bills O, 1,443,490 C-bills OA, 1,455,990 C-bills OB,[BASE]5.5 Tons of pod space2x Jump Boosters [FIXED]2x DHS Engine [FIXED]O Config2x RL10 RT2x RL10 LT1x Medium Laser RA1x DHS RT1x DHS LTOA Config1x Medium Laser RT1x Medium Laser CT1x Medium Laser LT1x DHS RT1x DHS LTOB Config1x MML3 RT1x MML3 LT1x MML3 SRM ammo RT1x MML3 LRM ammo RT1x CASE RTAhem is this thing on? Hello there yar maties! I hear you suck- I mean esteemed men of industry were on the market for some quality but low price hardware to defend and even stea- I mean strategically transfer equipment to alternative location if needed? Well good news Uncle Valaseks Discount Mekworks has your needs covered with the reasonably price and not totally assembled in a backyard Chiseler! What I hear you asking is this some kind of joke? No sir it is not and I am offended you'd even say that! Let me talk you through the points. Where are the weapons? Well here at Uncle Valaseks we believe in customer choice so why offer you one option when we can offer you several! This thing is a full blown omnimech, yes you heard me! Each config tailored to scam- I mean meet the need of our clients but you are free to build how you see fit! How you ask? Well we managed to obtain some specialist expertise, please just ignore that crying in the background as one of the lads just stubbed his toe and its not some Sea Fox scientist who has been volunteering his services to work on this project by force. ICE engine you say? A sensible cost saving given onto you, fusion engines are overrated, just keep some power amplifiers around if you do want energy weapons. Where did we get those double heatsinks you ask? Fell off the back of a dropship! Am I related to Helmar Valasek? I resent that accusation! Buy today!
>>98271474Not really. There's been passing lines to Clan tech being super expensive in lore but no set rules which is why the C-Bill is a terrible way of balancing and not a true measure of cost. So lore wise its more expensive but nothing in rules that says it is.
Some of these designs in the thread are so mad and stupid it feels like the ghost of FASA is here. Keep up the good work.
>>98271641It's glorious right?
>>98271772My particular favorites so far are the LAM and partial wing industrialmech. Feel like someone should send those to Herb.
>>98271814It's gonna be fun to see how the votes shake out. There are some mad ideas in here.
Just had a thought about the LAM actually. Isn't there an issue where LAMs are currently undercosted in terms of C-Bills on megamek because they never ported over the old rules about them costing more than standard mechs?
>>98271546Honestly I've seen worse mechs, running ICE and with only 2 dots for cooling means the OB variant is gonna struggle if the local planetary de- errr... pirate havens have urbies or locusts and they get into a prolonged engagement. With the OA configuration being ideal for prolonged operation once you ste- I mean legitimately salvage a fusion engine. 5/10 would run these mechs for my perfectly legitimate mercenary company who are in no way connected to organized crime
>>98271849It could be, I'll have to look and see I think the main issue for the LAM will be lack of pilots. Backwater Garrison pilots who normally pilot Urbanmechs are not top of the line anyhow.Finding enough trained as both areospace and mech pilots to fill even a small backwater Garrison? Unlikely
>>98271929I figured with 5.5 tons of pod space you could also get a light rifle with a ML or a hatchet with 2x ML and an extra DHS which aren't great on paper but perfectly sensible loadouts for running a protection racket- I mean intimidating local raider groups in the Periphery.>>98271940LAM pilots iirc struggle to get past 6/7 as a regular and 4/5 is basically an elite. I'll need to check where I read that though as I think it was Interstellar Ops but not sure.
>>98271988Found it page 100 of Interstellar Ops Alternative Eras.Just did a roll attempt there for a LAM pilot5/5 in Battlemech mode, 4/5 for Aerospace and this was rolling frankly rather well.
>ModelPeltast PLT-2>RoleSkirmisher>Weight25 Tons>QuirksNarrow/Low Profile, Difficult Ejection, Low-Mounted Arms>BV687>Cost1,433,958 C-BillsFor your consideration, the fine engineers at Slop Industries present the Peltast! Built around a newly available Clan-spec large pulse laser, the Peltast can deliver sustained volleys of punishing laser fire independent of resupply. While the Peltast's design favors survivability and firepower over speed, its class 100 fusion engine allows it to keep heavy mechs at a distance, with two jump jets to enhance its mobility in urban environments. When not harassing the enemy from afar, a pair of machine guns in low-slung arm mounts are perfect for providing close range fire support and/or controlling the restless populace, depending on your political inclinations. Placement of the main armament directly overhanging the cockpit may complicate ejection, but we at Slop Industries just like to think of it as encouragement for pilots to be on their best performance! And with a low profile chassis and surprisingly thick armor for its weight class, those pilots shouldn't even have to think of reaching for the ejection lever.
>>98272065Its a baby Marauder and I think its cute.I am also playing around with the ICE engine omni concept and I am starting to think if this was designed in universe the person who designed it could have been accused of using the thin line between genius and madness as a skipping rope. On one hand a fusion engine is way more weight efficient. On the otherhand utilizing a non fusion engine seems like it could be more crit efficient by letting you take advantage of having say DHS and weight saving materials without going over crit limit. Utilizing a fission engine as opposed to fusion I think might lead to a far more effective BA and infantry platform with the right mix of materials.
>>98272065Could have an all laser variant with small lasers instead of the mg's as well to push heat a bit more. Or swap to a base LL and small pulses to deal with infantry/ unruly populations with ideas of grandeur and/ or a say in local governance while still keeping the big gun and marauder feel. Overall love the tiny death machine
>>98271474>It's why by the dark age you see everyone slowly switching to clan tech as they can.Also because the clanners have been in the IS for a century. If anything IS tech should all essentially be defunct with the clans getting more specialized tech boosted to clan levels like light/heavy gauss rifles, PPCs, and ferro-fibrous armor. There's no logical reason why anyone in the IS is building IS AC/20s for example.
>>98272499Yeah, they have been there a while and export, but not everyone has updated. Some of that was ROS stupidity. Other parts was it was just cheaper to not upgrade.
>>98263505>modelBellephron BPR-1A>roleskirmisherquadmech>weight20 tons>quirkslow profile (+), compact mech (+)cramped cockpit (-), difficult to eject (-)>BV543>cost1,352,800 the Bellephron quadmech is our letest product for those who want long range firepower in a small packagepacking a head mounted light autocannon and ER medium laser and a pair of torso mounted medium lasers, this machine can harass enemies at long range before pouncing on vulnerable enemies with its lasersusing the brand new technology of caseless rounds, battlefield endurance is doubled while mounting two guns on the head does make the interior cramped and makes the ejector seat rather unreliable, it does reduce its profile considerablythe use of our unique low-pressure retractable quad leg system not only ensures accurate fire at all times, but allows the mech to lower itself until its barely touching the ground, shielding itself from return firewhen fully retracted, the mech forms a nearly perfect rectangular shape that allows it to be packed more efficiently into cargo spaces for long distance movement any allegation that the head-mounted guns were borrowed from the capellans is entirely unfoundedno capellan engineers or capellan investment capital was involved in the design
>>98271849They do cost more in MegaMek. There's a reason why the big gun had to be a Heavy Rifle and not an AC, PPC, or even an ER Large Laser while also having half the Jump Jets of a different person's design.
>>98272594Not everyone updating when even the deep periphery (eg. Hanseatic League) have had access to captured clantech before the 32nd century is just stupid.
>>98272707Which megamek version are you running out of curiosity cause I was running 0.50.11 there and I was getting your build for 1.3mil which didn't seem right?
>>98271332>>98271474>Hell clan stuff is just fucking better.FOOKING CLANNERS!Broke the game from the get-go, and now we're on the fourth attempt at Balance Math!>>98271546>Uncle ValaseksYou fat bastard!
>>98272657Wasn't the Bellerophon a 60 ton primitive that was back in production during the Jihad?
>>98272999totally forgot about that one>due to legal issues, the mech has been renamed to the Gentoo GTO-1
>>98263506>EST(UTC+4)New York is currently on EDT (UTC-4), moron.
>>98273033Eh the converter I used said it was +4. Clearly I should have double checked.
>>98272975>Broke the game from the get-go, and now we're on the fourth attempt at Balance Math!Fucking please. Tonnage was never a reasonable way to balance, either. An Awesome weighs the same as a Charger, after all.
>>98272929I'm using 0.51.00 which gave me the numbers I put in my post.
>>98273427>Tonnage was never a reasonable way to balance, either.True, still Clans got a bunch of shit that was higher damage, longer range, and lighter weights!
>>98273595>Clans got a bunch of shit that was higher damage, longer range, and lighter weights!Yeah, and twice the BV cost lol. And because BV overvalues range and speed and undervalues armor, it means that Clans end up being overpriced glass cannons. Seriously, most light OmniMechs are damn near unusable, unless they're boating heavy small lasers or something. Mediums are barely better, unless named "Stormcrow."
>>98273824Clans were introduced in 1989/90 and the precursor to BV known as Combat Value took until '92 to introduce in a side product and then needed a second attempt in '94 that was more visible. BV version 1 was 97, almost a decade after the Clans.Current version of BV2 was first in 2007 with a revision in 2021.
>>98272975So far the main takeaway from all this is just how broken the C-Bill is for determining cost. Autocannons in particular feel they should be a lot cheaper than they actually are and Clan tech C-Bill costs work out cheaper like legit Clan FF is cheaper than IS Heavy FF and Clan FF is the exact same price as IS FF but because it covers more armor works out cheaper!>>98273824BV as it stands also heavily underestimates heat dissipation potential. There are legit mechs that the only difference is they have DHS but are the exact same BV!>>98273468Just switched to that and now it makes sense. Incidentally if you remove composite and go with a LAC5 and flamer you can squeeze it just under 1.5mil in case you are interested?
>>98274275>Autocannons in particular feel they should be a lot cheaper than they actually are That has a lot to do with a fundamental flaw in how Battletech is balanced in general. The stats for various weapons were originally balanced based on the tech level of the Third Succession War, a time when double heat sinks weren't a thing and the higher heat generation of energy weapons helped offset their greater damage potential per ton relative to autocannons. But when they moved the timeline forwards and the availability of DHS meant that you could get an extra 10 heat dissipation per turn with no tonnage cost, autocannons suddenly became garbage weapons. What Battletech really needs is era-specific C-bill prices, where something like a standard AC/10 might cost its baseline price in 3025, but would cost less in 3067, and would be even cheaper by 3150.
>>98274275>Incidentally if you remove composite and go with a LAC5 and flamer you can squeeze it just under 1.5mil in case you are interested?I toyed with some other alterations and came up with this.-Threshold THS-1Ambusher20 TonsQuirks: Easy to Pilot, Protected Actuators, Poor Sealing, Weak LegsBV: 739Dry Cost: 1,499,940 C-BillsWe had heard this contract had a maximum price of 1.5 Million C-Bills and decided to see just how close we could get with our various contacts would allow for us to get to that. Our testing has revealed this.While this platform does admittedly only have 2 tons of armor, the cargo space is created in a way that it can easily be removed for an additional ton of armor if the client so wishes. It will just be something that comes out of their books as otherwise we are not longer within the requested budgetary constraints.
>>98275001Whoops, attachment wasn't properly on there.
>>98273824>>98274043>Clans were introduced in 1989/90 and the precursor to BV known as Combat Value took until '92 to introduce in a side product and then needed a second attempt in '94 that was more visible. BV version 1 was 97, almost a decade after the Clans.>Current version of BV2 was first in 2007 with a revision in 2021.EXACTLY, and talk is they are working on BV3 currently.>>98274728>But when they moved the timeline forwards and the availability of DHS meant that you could get an extra 10 heat dissipation per turn with no tonnage costWell the thing there was that originally, Engine Heat Sinks didn't exist and you had to mount at least 10 Heat Sinks in your Critical Slots.This is why Mechs like the Marauder ended up with a Torso Ammo Bomb; What was a Crit Packed Side Torso with some Ammo suddenly became VERY empty.One of the proposed buffs for Autocannons going forward is allowing them to eat a free Crit, at least mechanically expressing how they can be more reliable than Energy Weapons.
>>98274728>>What Battletech really needs is era-specific C-bill prices, where something like a standard AC/10 might cost its baseline price in 3025, but would cost less in 3067, and would be even cheaper by 3150.NTA but that would be cool. It also sounds one hell of a project. And gets really weird in cone areas as Cbills and house bills are different things and then the darkage had issues with money period.But it's a fun idea for a series of charts.
ScuttlerScout20tImproved Sensors, Compact Mech, Exposed Actuators, Poor SealingBV 5191,477,000 C-BillsThe Scuttler is Stronghold Manufacturing's latest offering, perfectly suited to the needs of any administration. Capable of navigating through standard roads at 86 kph without damaging the asphalt it walks on, the Scuttler can deploy wherever it is needed with minimal interruption to city services and be stored in a space as small as a suburban garage thanks to our patented folding leg design. Once at the scene of the incident, our advanced sensor package directly integrates a Beagle-spec Active Probe and TAG system to provide detailed information about damage, injuries, or positioning to police or medical personnel. A pair of Magna Mk IV lasers, mounted on each foreleg's actuator, allow for controlled and minimal damage while carrying out pursuits or subduing misappropriated IndustrialMechs, with a Mk III on standby when additional force is necessary. Once the pilot's work on the scene is finished, the cockpit's side window can be opened to let the fresh outside air in while filing a report using the terminal located behind their seat. For those with more specialized needs, we also offer the 1PX, upgrading the primary laser to an ER model, the 1C, which substitutes the TAG for a C3 computer, and the 1R, which replaces the laser with a five-tube Multi-Missile Launcher and two ammo bins.
>>98275637>EXACTLY, and talk is they are working on BV3 currently. Yeah, but it has nothing to do with Clans being overpowered. If anything, Clan units without pulse lasers tend to be overcosted if anything; again, because BV overvalues land speed and range, and undervalues armor. >One of the proposed buffs for Autocannons going forward is allowing them to eat a free Crit, at least mechanically expressing how they can be more reliable than Energy Weapons.And also compensating for how ballistic weapons are unreasonably enormous compared to all other weapons. >>98270130I actually like this one, but I feel like you can't call a 2/3/2 a "skirmisher." Fella struggles to generate any TMM whatsoever.
>>98276420Cool design. Impressive that you were able to get a decent electronics package with OP's budget limitation.
>>98276814I'd been building it as a 25 tonner but couldn't get a loadout that I liked underbudget or narratively coherent, so I pivoted to going heavy on the special systems on a lighter frame. If I'd had another half-million I probably would have found a way to fit jump jets and ECM, but I like this "police support/urban recon" build I've ended up with.
>>98276420So basically "we have Raven at home"?
>>98277173To be fair, you can get three of these for the price of a 3L Raven
>>98275637>One of the proposed buffs for Autocannons going forward is allowing them to eat a free Crit,That isn't proposed that made it into the new rules.
>>98276654>I actually like this oneThanks!>but I feel like you can't call a 2/3/2 a "skirmisher." Fella struggles to generate any TMM whatsoever.That's true. Don't blame me, blame the PR department.
We have one day left and almost 20 entries. This is honestly more than I expected, and I am loving the many takes. Maybe We didn't need 4 days.
>>98263506Ridgeback RDG-B4kAmbusher25 tonsno quirksBV 6481,443,750 C-BillsRasalhague Dominion Arms submits this design for the provided contract: Fitted with an IS large laser, clan SRM6 rack with two tons of ammo and a single Micro Pulse laser plated with 6 tons of standard armor with a 3/5/3 movement profile, designed for urban combat and ambush tactics with the SRM being the main damage dealer at close range with the large laser to give it some longer range firepower and the micro pulse laser for scything infantry and battle armor, the second ton of srm ammo can be removed and the tonnage gained can be used for other equipment or weapons as is needed.
>>98281026forgot the file damnit, figured I'd try my hand at this contest
>>98263506Netherlander NE-D1Role: SniperWeight: 35 tonsQuirks: Fine Manipulators, Improved Targeting (Long), Exposed Actuators, Poor Targeting (Short)BV: 757Cost: 1,466,693 C-bills including ammo.Listen up ladies, Ghetto Mekworks has got your final solution to the need for a cheap garrison mech. It ain't fancy, it ain't fast, but when you girls need something that can cleave an enemy in two with a single shot then what you need is some good old fashioned reliable firepower and this thing delivers! Built around a sophisticated gauss rifle sourced from our finest Sea Fox partners who are quite happy to trade without asking too many questions, we have optimized this design for long range firing allowing you to easily rip the wings off of any bug that enters your gun sights! If your would be raider does not get the message then consider the backup laser a handy little insurance policy more than capable of finishing them off not that we expect them to ever want to get close anyway. Of course we also programmed this little beauty to be fully capable of assisting your day to day logistical works as we don't believe in no hangar Queens but proper workhorses! All actuators have been adjusted so they can aid in basic construction to more complicated engineering works. When placing your order then the answers is yes that we do accept cash and can ship in bulk!
>>98280997Can always expand the voting into categories. There's enough variety to give people three or four votes to spread around.
Designs are closed. We have 17 options, which is a very nice turn out. I am working on listing them but the system thinks any list is spam.
1: Aoyama A0-Y 2: Lawman 3: Apache APH-3 4: CabbageMoth "CbMth 5: Napoleon MER-D5 6: Bakka BK-HA 7: Snipe 8: Hotseat H0T-5E4T 9: Dreamer DMR-1 10: Gecko GEK-1O 11: Chiseler 12: Peltast PLT-2 13: Bellephron BPR-1A 14: Threshold THS-1 15: Scuttler 16: Ridgeback RDG-B4k 17: Netherlander NE-D1Now as for voting. Let's do three categories1: which design do you think best replacement for the Urban mech at its price point?2: Which design do you personally like best?3: Which design is most innovative?4: Which design was just an off the wall bit of crazy, goofy or just WTF you just kinda like?Thease can be the same answer or different ones. But we will close voting in 2 days to give folks time to look em over. That is July 2nd.So let the voting begin!
>>98285237bellepheron was renamed to the gentoo, since apparently theres an existing one already named bellephron
>>98285237>1: which design do you think best replacement for the Urban mech at its price point?>>98270314 A cheap chassis that can fish for headshots is pretty hard to argue with, and a HPPC is more accessible than the clantech used by the other submissions that can. Making it so the not-Urbie only has to get lucky once makes breaking through a lance of them pretty scary.>2: Which design do you personally like best?>>98276420 because it's mine. And I like my EWAR design trying to slip past the Urbie comparisons with its gimmick.>3: Which design is most innovative?>>98270737 Using the LAM modes to quickly move a short-ranged main gun is a neat idea that I'd like to see if the mechanic gets any actual attention from CGL.>4: Which design was just an off the wall bit of crazy, goofy or just WTF you just kinda like?>>98271546 Fitting an Omni under budget in multiple loadouts is pretty nice, it's too bad they're so incompatible with C-Bill restrictions.
>>982852371) Lawman>>98264356This was hard as there were a few contenders but this wins out for me because the most complicated component on it are the small pulses and those are so common in the era that you'll find them in childrens cereal boxes. Good old reliable PPC is a good hole puncher no matter the era.2) Scuttler>>98276420I am a sucker for EWAR and I just like what they managed with that cost and tonnage.3) Threshold>>98275001Using a LAM for this is rather genius. This LAM wins out because I choose to believe that 1 ton cargo pod is used to carry criminals or swat teams that it can bomb people with.4) CabbageMoth >>98269856This was a hard one considering we have a literal nuclear coke can as one of the options on the table but I have chosen this as the king of batshit crazies because it feels so mad yet fitting for the universe like it is some odd custom job a bored militia force came up with and decided to offer it for sale for a laugh.Deciding was much harder than I expected cause I genuinely love a lot of designs people came up with.
>>98285237>1: which design do you think best replacement for the Urban mech at its price point?Gotta go with the CabbageMoth, >>98269856. Between the dumper, the fluid cannon and the price it seems like an oustanding urban garrison mech. I sure as shit wouldn't want to take it to war but it seems equally at home putting down riots, clearing rubble or participating in civic defense.>2: Which design do you personally like best?>>98269572 because KNOIFE but honestly I had to flip a coin between that and the CabbageMoth again. If you feel like recording a half-vote for each I'd appreciate it.>3: Which design is most innovative?>>98270737; LAMs are fun.>4: Which design was just an off the wall bit of crazy, goofy or just WTF you just kinda like?>>98276420 because stupid fast quadmechs are great and the TAG and probe make a lot of sense for supporting fixed defenses.
Bump for voting.
>>98285237>1The comparison point for this era appears to be the 1.5 mil UM-R68 with an MRM30, Small Pulse, and Small Laser or the 1.7 mil UM-R69 with a UAC/10, ER Small Laser, and Small Pulse. Both are the most common varieties being used during IlClan (even at Uncommon), with the base having fallen to Very Rare.I think within that context, the Snipe SNP-2A1 >>98270510 might be the best option overall.>2The CabbageMoth "CbMth" >>98269856, though not strictly for what all it is as I have some disagreements with the particular loadout. I'm just a sucker for having general engineering and disaster relief utility being part of garrison mechs because that's realistically going to be the huge part of their use.>3On both the in-universe difficulty of making one as well as on a meta level, I have to give it to the Dreamer DMR-1 >>98270737. The other LAM has better specs for it's weapons, but the Dreamer actually proved a way to squeeze LAMs into some very tight design specs.>4Hotseat H0T-5E4T >>98270561 takes it. The armaments are humorous, but designation being a leetspeak version of the proper name hit me with some old nostalgia.
Did anyone get why the Aoyama has it's name?
>>98288036It isn't a reference to MHA is it?
>>98288015One thing the Dreamer has going for it that I am not sure even the creator thought of is that Heavy Rifle can be easily mistaken as an AC/20 to the untrained eye. That alone can act a significant deterrent.
>>98288650Even without that, the Heavy Rifle plus one ton of ammo is 9 Tons. That's a pretty good amount of room to work with. It looks like Singles were went with for cost reasons and he thing only being a 10/10 heat according to MegaMek, but there's probably a fairly easy upgrade of Doubles + an IS ER PPC or Bombast Laser + 2 additional Tons of Armor.It's out of range of this particular contest, LAM pilots are hard to train, and more, but those things doing single shot ambushes followed by fleeing would be incredibly annoying to deal with if the force doesn't have enough Lights or Aerospace to hunt them down. There's certainly more than enough that can do that because there's a lot of them with much better speed profiles than 9/14, but it is still that same Urbanmech annoyance.
>>98285237>1: which design do you think best replacement for the Urban mech at its price point?After doing the math on the Snipe >>98270510 I'm pretty confident it is the best choice for any entity who can maintain it, otherwise they might want to choose the...>2: Which design do you personally like best?...Lawman. >>98264356 I'm biased AF because it's mine, but the rugged and well-understood technology on that machine allows the podunk militia livestock-molesters who are most likely to pilot it to actually take it out for training without blowing the yearly budget on maintenance.>3: Which design is most innovative?Threshold, in an everything old is new way.>4: Which design was just an off the wall bit of crazy, goofy or just WTF you just kinda like?Netherlander. The thought of a skinny Hollander toppling over with each shot from a gun twice as long as the mech is tall amuses me.
>>98288515It is, mostly because I'm bad at names but remembered the Navel Laser guy.
Wonder which one of these designs if were submitted for Shrapnel would be most likely to be made canon?
Just going to tally up all the votes in case OP has been bummed to death by a pack of decadent Davions.>1: which design do you think best replacement for the Urban mech at its price point?Bakka BK-HA x1CabbageMoth "CbMth x1Lawman x1Snipe SNP-2A1 x2>2: Which design do you personally like best?Apache APH-3 x1CabbageMoth "CbMth" x1Lawman x1Scuttler x2>3: Which design is most innovative?Dreamer DMR-1 x3Threshold THS-1 x2>4: Which design was just an off the wall bit of crazy, goofy or just WTF you just kinda like?Chiseler x1CabbageMoth "CbMth2 x1Hotseat H0T-5E4T x1Netherlander NE-D1 x1Scuttler x1I think the main take from everyone is agreement that the LAM proposal was clearly the most innovative idea on the table. Nobody though can decide on clearly who was huffing the most crystal meth when it came to mech design.
>>98295259OP here. I was indeed busy as fuck today. Thanks for the tallies.Best design for its price point: Snipe SNP-2A1 x2Fav favorite: Scuttler x2Most innovative: Dreamer DMR-1 x3Crystal meth mech: five way tie.Thanks for everyone who where invoked in this round
Scenario Two:The year is 3055, The helms core and clan invasion has changed how mechs are made. Everyone is rearming for when the Invasion resumes. Old standards need updated.>> RequirementsA multi role medium mech capable with keeping up with clan mechs speed. It need to also be rugged enough to survive limited engagements with clan mechs Price: No limit, but price will be a factor.Speed: 5/8 or betterWeapons: No required weapon but multiple ranges and ability to tangle with clan mechs are a must.Tech base: Inner sphere 3055>> End date:Will do three days so from now to evening (6PM EST) Sunday July 5th
>>98296074Headsman HDM-OSkirmisher60tImproved Life Support, Distracting, Non-Standard Parts, Unbalanced1638 (O), 1613 (A), 1597 (B)12,161,200 (O), 11,994,200 (A), 12,547,700 (B) C-BillsThe Headsman is Sorenson Industrial's debut OmniMech, utilizing a standard 300-rated reactor to remain combat-capable after severe damage. In all configurations, it utilizes TSM and 14 tons of pod space to support the massive Hatchet dominating its right arm. Although expected to operate at high heat for extended periods, the cockpit will remain comfortable even as the myomer reaches full efficiency. Inspired by the early Hatchetman's arm mounted heat sinks, the axhead also functions as a radiator for the Headsman's heat. While this has no notable effect on the weapon's capabilities, our aggressor team has found the glowing blade exceptionally threatening, to describe their reports politely. In order to build the heat necessary for its TSM to operate, the Headsman primarily relies on energy weapons and avoids carrying ammunition. Its stock configuration carries a fully laser-based arsenal. A pair of ER Large Lasers split across its center and left torso serve as its main armament, along with a pair of standard Medium models in the right beside an anti-infantry Small Pulse Laser. In case the pilot is forced to maintain fire, a Coolant Pod is carried beside the secondary laser bank.For long range support, the A configuration carries an ER PPC and standard Large Laser in the right and left torso respectively. A Medium and pair of Small Lasers in the left arm better allow the pilot to control their heat level when they close into melee range.The B configuration instead aims to provide supporting fire, using an ER Large Laser in its left torso while discouraging flanking maneuvers with a pair of Medium X-Pulses in its arm and a Small Laser in its center torso. A trio of Jump Jets assist with repositioning to support allied forces with the ECM suite carried in the right torso.
>>98296827Interesting design, but this is a heavy mech
>>98296945>Adherence to the desired combat role, tonnage, or budget are not strictly necessary, but may impact how anons vote on your design.I liked how the podspace worked better on a 60 tonner than a 55, so I gave up on the weight class restriction.
>>98296074Frankenstein FRK-1NSkirmisher50tno quirks1389BV9,523,875 C-billsThe Frankenstein is Fa/tg/uys Industrial's submission to the request for a medium mech to deal with clan mechs. Fitted with an xl engine to allow for a more varied loadout in regards to what we could produce.The mech is a standard chassis with 9.5 tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor mounted to protect the design.Mounted in the right arm is an ER Large Laser with two ER Medium Lasers for long and medium range respectively. A third ER Medium Laser is mounted in the chest in case the arm mounted weapons get damaged with an ER Small Laser in the head slot for close range and Toad slaying. 2 SRM6 racks in the right torso provides versatile explosive power with two tons of ammo protected by CASE. 13 double heatsinks keep the heat levels manageable to prevent shutdown.
>>98296074Shabadoo SBD-0045 tons Quirks: Battle Fists (both of 'em), Jettison capable weapon (ER Large Laser)7,664,990 CBillsSmenge Industries presents its 45 ton clan busting bastard. What does this baby do? It goes 6/9. It crams in 9 tons of standard plate. It has not one but three Streak SRM 2s, because you have to have Streak SRM 2s as they are the hot shit of the mid 3050s, so why not have a trio? And speaking of hot, and you can drop this one like it is because it's jettison capable like all the best handhelds, there's that obligatory ER Large Laser. Poke 'em from a distance!For middling muddles, 3 medium lasers are there to do their usual thing. And to round out, a pair of flamers, as clanners love to run hot, so why not give 'em the ol' toasty butt whilst giving them a taste of Battle Fisting Action? Use the ER LL to cover plink at range before getting an opportunity to chase down a suitable target, slam it with its arsenal of lighter weapons.
>>98296074You know the Assassin. You love the Assassin. The most fun mech to pilot after knocking back a PPC or 3 at the canteen.What if I told you, that the enterprising engineers of Superior Combat Arms & Munitions, a wholely owned subsidiary of Quickcell made the best mech to drunk drive even better! Using the improvements of the modern era, S.C.A.M re-engineered the beloved ASN frame to use endo-steel, and replaced the 4.5 tons of armor you know and love with ferro-fibrous. Now the cockpit is protected to industry standards, and the legs have been reinforced with additional ferro fibrous to withstand the inevitable oopsies. S.CA.M doesn't judge and anticipates the needs of our customers. Besides, it's not like more armor was going to help you against the batteries Clanners are packing.We replaced the iconic medium laser for pulse because we want you to hit your target when one Toad looks like 5. I know what you're thinking. What happened to the missiles? Isn't a Narc some weird Canopian bedroom assistant? Let us explain. With the Narc homing beacon, actually hitting Clanners moving like a Savannah Master driver on combat stims becomes Someone Else's Problem. All this can be your today for the low, low price of 4.5mil c-bills. And to celebrate the launch, you can get special financing during the Assathon sales event. Special terms and conditions apply.
>>98296994>>98297295Where are you getting all these prototype ER Medium and Small Lasers?
>>98297311My man is doubting the ability of Kwikcell to procure experimental technology from its associates.
>>98297295BV: 984Dry Cost: 4,240,693cQuirks: Easy to Maintain, Non-Standard Parts, Life Support (basically like the ASN-21, but S.C.A.M fixed some but not all of the cockpit's problems when redesigning it to take additional armor
>>98297311I completely forgot about that, thank you for telling me
>>98296074Wraith TR-1Skirmisher55 TonsUbiquitous; Difficult To MaintainBV 1,28713,225,323 C-BillsCurtiss Militech already has the product you need on sale right now. It has the speed and maneuverability that make it difficult to hit and a Clanner will not decline an engagement against one as a matter of honor. Highly accurate pulse lasers allow it to whittle down opponents in any duel and the constant ability to keep jumping means they will struggle to maintain lock.
>>98296074Are we allowed prototype weapons or not?
>>98296074DamberRole: SkirmisherTons: 55Quirks: Poor Workmanship, RamshackleBV: 1249Cost: 3,666,883 C-billsAhem, ladies and gentlemen! I hear you fine people are in desperate need for some hardware to build up your forces to fight those furry fucks that destroyed a good thing we all had going? Then Uncle Valaseks Discount Mekworks would like to assist by offering our new creation, the Damber! Using advanced technology that happened to fall off the back of Lyran dropships we feel we have designed a nice tidy little trooper for you all! At barely over 3.6 million per unit this represents a huge cost saving over any of our competitors. How has a brand new startup been able to produce such a fine yet cheap machine you ask? Good question! Using tried and tested components and totally not bolting weapons onto a loadermech haphazardly we were able to construct a design in the fraction of the time our would be competitors could. Interested? We accept cash only and there are no refunds! I shall send you the details after I finish this meal, this succulent Capellan meal!
>>98296074Sarissa SRA-Bm1Skirmisher55 tonsEasy to Maintain, Protected Actuators,BV2:14035,787,907 C-BillsAfter a lackluster response from potential buyers, Atlas International is glad to offer their second mech in response to the ongoing threat of the clans; the Sarissa!A 55 ton mech, it's humanoid form inspired somewhat by the soldiers of the Successor States in the Mediterranean of ancient terra, the Sarissa is meant as a rapid-response and skirmisher mech, that can contribute meaningfully to a firefight, while offering support to its fellow mechs in a larger confrontation. An XL engine was considered, but was ultimately unfeasible for the small company, who focused their attention elsewhere. Built to be ready repaired and customized, and with over-armoured actuators, it's meant to be long lasting, and easy to maintain.It's main armament is an ER large laser in the left torso, allowing the mech to reach out and touch targets at long range, as it closes. An SRM, fed by two tons of ammo in a CASE protected bin, backed up by a medium laser, help at medium range, while a pair of medium pulse laser, one in each arm, come to life as the mech closes in - or, more likely, its clanner foes close in on it. Most uniquely, a small cockpit is fitted to the mech, allowing a pair of AMS to be installed in the head, one on either side of the crested, helmet-like dome of the mechs head - meant to mimic the embellishments typical to Greek helmets of the Successor States. While only equipped with a single ton of AMS ammo, the protection provided was seen as vital by the designers (and you can just turn one AMS off, if you need to conserve ammo). An ECM suite provides further protection from Clan technology. A notable flaw of the design is that, while 'technically' the AMS ammo is in the same bin as the CASE protected SRM ammo, the feed pulls through the center torso into the head, leaving most of the ammo to sit ready in the center torso.
>>98296074ONI ON-1X Role: ScoutWeight: 40 tonsQuirks: Distracting, Narrow/Low Profile, Non-Standard Parts, No Cooling Jacket (ER Large Laser)BV: 1120Cost: 9,086,560 C-billsHere at Fukkyu Industries we have designed most effective means at hunting down filthy Clanner invader. Sourcing new components and materials including a sword that has been tested effectively on Solaris VII we have shaped these into making the Oni, a counter to all their fast scouts that can run them down and beat them to death in glorious melee combat! Expert craftsmen have shaped the appearance of this mech so that it may cause fear in any invader. The small profile has forced the removal of the cooling jacket on the laser system however in testing we have found this has proven to be an advantage when paired with the triple strength myomer system allowing the gaijin to feel the fury of the Combine much sooner! For sales information please contact the Fukkyu Gaijin brotherhood located in the Nagasaki zone of the Crane district on Luthien, currently rebuilding from when the filthy Clanners invader.
>>98296074Ullr UL-1RRole: Sniper55 tonsQuirks: Stable, Stablized Weapons (ER PPC) (Gauss), Difficult to MaintainBV 1735 10,806,574 C-billsNorsican Mekworks would like to submit a design based around being a stable gun platform. We have spared no expense in developing a unique tripod machine meant to provide accurate direct fire support even while on the move. It has also been developed around being part of a C3 network, work is currently under way at C3 master version of this design however this will require more time as the LB 10-X meant to replace the gauss to accommodate this change requires some more adjustments. We appreciate that most technicians do not have experience with a tripod design but we believe that the advantages this would bring will speak for itself.UL-1RMQuirks: Stable, Stablized Weapons (ER PPC), Difficult to MaintainBV 141212,879,854 C-billsChanges - RemovedGauss RT Gauss ammo x2 RTC3 Slave HDHand actuator RAChanges - AddedLB 10-X AC RALB 10-X ammo x2 RTC3 Master LT
>>98296074FISTO FIS-T3RRole: JuggernautTons: 50Quirks: Battle fists, Easy to Pilot, Non-Standard PartsBV 1518C-Bills 5,368,875Here at Macho Mech Industries we have discovered that those Clanners, the so called children of Kerensky, are nothing more than a bunch of panzys who are have more in common with your average woman, can't take a punch! So we have developed a design to exploit this weakness. The Fisto is meant to charge towards its opponent and beat the ever living crap out of them using manly fists! Utilizing 16 tons of in testing hardened armor, this beauty will take a beating like no other mech and still keep coming at them! Triple strength myomer is used to offset the reduction of speed as well as amply any punches! We did briefly consider the use of an ER weapon on this thing but that may have encouraged pussy ass skirmishing so it was struck off early in development but if you want it well we can fit it, just expect our sales representative to call you a poofter! If you are concerned about replacement hardened armor well just find your nearest FedCom ladyboy and slap him silly till he coughs up more! The Fisto, any fat bastard could pilot this thing! Why haven't you ordered one already you cunt?
OP here. To keep things fair we need to keep to the year limit.>>98296994Some issues, The ER medium and ER small were not introduced to the IS before 3058. These will have to be downgraded to meet the year requirements >>98297295Same Issue as above with the ER ML. They are 3058, not available in 3055.>>98298039We have the same issue with the Sword. Unless you have a source of it being used before 3058, that is still its official introduction year.>>98298136We have a year issue here. There are no tripods before the Republic era
>>98298601Check Interstellar Ops.Sword is prototype 3050, if you go further back to Solaris VII sourcebook it is production 3050 but retconned to be prototype 3050.Tripod also is 2602, its the superheavy tripod that is only available in Republic era.If you are allowing prototype equipment I assume this will answer for other anons who have used experimental but available tech for 3055.IS LBX 2, 5 and 20 prototype 3055.IS UAC 2, 10 prototype 3055IS Light Active Probe prototype 3050, production 3052IS Targeting Computer prototype 3052IS Light TAG prototype 3050, production 3053Silver Bullet Gauss prototype 3051IS ER Small and Medium prototype 3052ELRM prototype 3052MRM's prototype 3052SSRM 4 and 6 prototype 3054Tbolts prototype 3052Light Fusion Engine prototype 3055XXL Engine prototype 3055XL Gyro prototype 3055Hardened Armor prototype 3047Stealth Armor prototype 3051Light Ferro-Fibrous prototype 055C3i prototype 3052
>>98298601Here's your source for tripods. You did not define if you wanted only standard tech.
>>98298686>>98298709 OP here. These are good points and I thank you both for the information. I'll have to start including type of tech level. It you are correct I didn't exclude proto types.Carry on gentlemen.
>>98298730To be honest I was actually shocked just how much was available with a 3055 year date once you switched from standard to advanced tech. You'd think if they were going to make all this stuff available so early they'd have had fun with more prototype units in fluff. I know some stuff like Prometheus was a thing but they are so ancient and long forgotten nobody remembers they exist.I just decided to make this as example. It costs 42,627,015 C-bills and has a direct neural interface cockpit. If you combine all the modifiers of quirks, targeting computer, and with using VDNI implants a 4/5 pilot essentially becomes 1/4 and if you use a prototype DNI implant becomes a 0/2. It also can survive multiple strikes from gauss rifle hits without even going internal including even surviving a gauss hit to the head. All with stuff that is available in 3055.I haven't had a good look at core rules but I think some of this is also about to move from advanced to standard tech.
>>98296074Far too many are trying to meet the Clanners with ER Large Lasers when we know their Medium Lasers perform nearly as well.There is only one Weapon System in the Inner Sphere that still has parity: The Gauss Rifle!Thus we present a Mech we feel is worthy of the Title:Clan BusterCL-BST 01Ambusher55 tonsBad Reputation (Clan), Jettison Capable Weapon (Gauss Rifle)BV2: 1,726Dry Cost: 9,952,757 C-billsThe Clan Buster is a maneuverable, well-armored Gauss Rifle platform that can hit Clanners at their preferred Range before fading back into Heavy Cover.So infuriating is this tactic that the Clan Buster has already gained the infamy of the Clans, as it forces them into close quarters Melee, where the Clan Busters Jumpjets, Hatchet, and dual Medium Lasers can get to work exploiting any holes the Gauss Rifle has punched.The volatile Gauss Rifle is Jettison-capable, allowing the Mech Warrior the option to drop it when it's 16 round Magazine runs dry, while a Small Pulse Laser on the same arm give it some anti-infantry capability.
>>98298804>To be honest I was actually shocked just how much was available with a 3055 year date once you switched from standard to advanced techTo be fair, even using "Standard" tech in stuff like MegaMek still has stuff like Light Ferro-Fibrous and XL Gyros showing up as options even though they were in prototype stages.I had a really cool design worked out with Light Ferro-Fibrous but when I started checking over everything, most of the shit I was using was in Prototype stage but it said that nowhere in MegaMek or MekFactory.Makes it a bit harder to design for, at least before OP said they were allowing those prototypes if I understood "If you are correct, I didn't exclude prototypes" in >>98298730 right.
>>98298902OP here, I didn't exclude prototypes, just didn't think of it. As so many folks used them, that is on me. So prototypes are a go.
Toothpick TH-P1KRole: SniperTons: 55Quirks: Difficult Ejection, Extended Torso Twist, Exposed Actuators, Narrow/Low Profile, Weak Legs, Variable Range TargetingBV: 1198C-bills: 4,587,742We here at Scuttlebug Industries LLC are proud to announce the Toothpick TH-P1K, a novel, energy-based fire support medium quadmech. Incorporating a whopping THREE large lasers which you can fire all day thanks to our incorporation of double heat sinks (DHS) and accurately thanks to our state-of-the-art traversal and targeting systems, the TH-P1K represents a potent dose of mobile, low-profile, AFFORDABLE sustained firepower based almost entirely on designs and principles that have been proven and battle-tested for centuries. Two small lasers are also provided for convenience and to more adequately fulfill the terms of the tender, but alternative configurations are also available on demand. Due to the atypical nature of the ejection system of the TH-P1K, it is highly recommended for all customers to purchase the Ejection Training Course supplemental material to avoid pilot injuries.
>>98296074SHX-2-Prime ShadomniationSkirmisher/Ambusher55tEasy to Maintain, Improved Life Support, Modular Weapons, UbiquitousBV: 1601Cost: 10.967.882 C-Bills fully loadedTotally Legit Business, the future makers of the Lawman, present to you the golden love child of Succession Wars frugality and the Helm core's sweet nectar with a dash of Omni jealousy: the SHADOMNIATION!Rest assured that the pronounciation is not a quirk, but the program! Rebuilt from the reliable, ubiquitous Shadow Hawk chassis, our unique application of Endo Steel structure has given the Shadomniation arms every Elemental will envy, while an Extralight Engine and full complement of Jump Jets allows for respectable mobility. Eleven and a half tons of standard plate make sure that any Trueborn truly has to work for his kill, while the cavernous side torsos and generous supply of mounting brackets included in the purchase allow for extremely easy weapon swaps!The Prime pattern variant of the Shadomniation can answer the Clan treat even at the longest ranges with the shoulder-mounted ERPPC, while an ECM and AMS thwart return fire. Up close, two medium laser and a quintet of SRM2s fed by two tons of CASE-protected ammunition provide withering firepower and the option of special munitions, which we recommend to exploit with Infernos against those pesky toads. Finally, a head-mounted Flamer provides a final defense against particularly lucky Elementals - although the Beagle Active probe makes sure that mere luck will not suffice.The Alpha pattern (BV:1806, Cost: 10.707.282) is a sniper and replaces the electronic warfare equipment and missiles with a second ERPPC and a third medium laser, augmented by a total of fourteen Double Heat Sinks.Meanwhile the Bravo Pattern (BV: 1599, Cost: 10.166.819 crams a mammoth AC20 into the shoulder mount and adds two medium lasers and a small one to the already arm-mounted mediums and the Flamer.Buy smart. Buy classy. Buy Totally Legit.
>>98296074Project RAVEN'S WING RW-AC1RoleOmnimech (Standard: Striker)Tons50QuirksMulti-Trac, Nimble Jumper, Flawed Cooling System, Hard to PilotBVPrime: 1344A.I. Configuration: 1291B.H.I. Configuration: 1056C-BillsNull: 13.316,563Prime: 14,333,750A.I. Configuration: 14,400,313B.H.I. Configuration: 13,805,938We live in a time of rapidly advancing technologies, as demonstrated by the wide array of prototype technologies that are being showcased today. So even more important than building the best 'mech of today, is to build a 'mech that will be able to rapidly adopt the weapons that shall be coming within the next decade. Yet innovation in Omnimechs has been too slow in our eyes and the biggest culprit is that everyone needs to build their own frames at great expense. We aim to changeFrom the finest minds of Ray Leonard Technologies, we present to you Project RAVEN'S WING and version 1 of the AC system - an open source set of Pod specifications and easy access Gyro adjustments to allow any company to produce Pods for it and allow for absolute customization by pilots.Balsaric Heavy Industries and Arbelast Incorporated have been the first companies to make systems. As you can see, we have five pod slots. In the Prime Configuration, this comes in the Left Arm's ER Small Lasers, the Left Torso's ER PPC, the Center Torso's Jump Jet, the Right Torso's CASE and Artemis IV LRM, and the Right Arm's Retractable Blade. Combined, this is 15.5 Tons and [13 Crits] of Pod Space that your world's companies to tailor to.We have further improved the systems with Multi-Trac capabilities and nimble movement for aggressive assaults. You will notice that part of how we achieved our speed is from the jets always being enabled at some level. A less skilled may have some troubles - especially if damage harms the cooling - but in the hands of a skilled pilot, this 'mech can dance through its foes.We will build the cores. Your worlds will tailor them.
>>98296994redid this without the prototype weaponsC-Bills: 9,349,875BV: 1362
>>98296074You know what going to use this excuse to build something that has been bugging me for close to 27 years. In my head this eventually lost out to the CN10 line after some field tests.Tesserarius TE5-ASkirmisher55 TonsExposed Actuators, Easy to Maintain, Narrow/Low ProfileBV 13315,359,487 C-billsCorean Enterprises in partnership with Jalastar Aerospace presents the Tesserarius, a medium weight trooper design aimed as a reliable and affordable replacement for those who lost significant amount of material during the initial Clan push into the Inner Sphere. The Tesserarius shares many components with our Centurion line meaning that replacement parts are never far out of reach. The redesigned chassis allows the mech to present a much narrower target to enemy fire while still retaining the reliable firepower of the Centurion that makes it equally at home in frontline work or garrison duty. 9 tons of Ferro-Fibrous armor combined with C.A.S.E. offers a significant increase in protection and double heatsinks add superior cooling over antiquated Succession War era designs. While the bulk of Centurion production has been earmarked for Federated Commonwealth forces we are prepared to open up a dedicated line to produce the Tesserarius for those seeking long term mercenary contracts.
>>98298928>>98298601My bad, I thought I was good to go when Megamek lab said 3052.
>>98299637It's all good. As pointed out I didn't say standard tech. Didn't think about it, so prototype stuff is fine as I didn't exclude it.That was my fault for not adding it.
>Playing with XXL and supercharge+MASC its possible to create a medium mech here that delivers 96pt charge attacksKnow the rules are about to change this but I may have some ideas here.
OP here, I'll leave the rules for this one as written. I didn't place limits as I didn't think about it. Although prototypes stuff may factor into people's votes as it might not be feasible in setting do early. But eh, have at it. Well let the votes sort things out.I feel like we need to do an advanced design soon though .
>>98299956Bonus points if you mount a Spike on the CT Low.
>>98300165I was trying to use all standard tech for this but that was too funny not to include. Therefore I hereby introduce the Thruster! Able to inflict potentially just over 7 gauss rifle hits worth of damage to an enemy in a charge attack typically by ramming into them pelvis first! To assist in its vigorous assaults the Thruster is equipped with a searchlight to help distract their opponent rather than shed light in dark places. Due to a combination of MASC and supercharger this beauty can collide with any target at 216kph instantly turning them and often the pilot into paste! The last thing any Clanner will see is a spiked jockstrap rapidly approaching their cockpit!Thruster THR-U5T3RScout50 TonsDistracting, Searchlight, Bad ReputationBV 78918,710,750 C-bills
>>98296074Vaisravana VSR-1NSkirmisher50 tonsDistracting, Non-Standard Parts1,398 BV9,642,750 C-billsSlop Industries returns with a well armored and highly-mobile direct fire weapons platform capable of engaging opponents at the long ranges favored by Clan opponents. Long story short, we poached some engineers from General Motors' Rakshasa project to copy the Clans' famed Mad Cat. The Vaisravana (or as some of our staff have taken to calling it, the "Mad Kitten") is a scaled-down version of its original inspiration, but retains the same primary armament of a pair of extended range large lasers, mated to a chassis capable of a maximum speed of 97.2kph, and sufficient double heat sinks to remain heat-neutral firing both lasers at a running pace. The shoulder-mounted LRM racks of the original have been replaced with four-tube SRM launchers to discourage the enemy from closing the distance, while a pair of small lasers underslung below its main weapons provides a close range backup option should ammunition run short.While our efforts to replicate a Clan chassis necessarily complicate the availability of replacement parts, the striking silhouette of the Vaisravana may just convince enemy Mechwarriors that they are facing its larger cousin, particularly with a Guardian ECM suite jamming their sensors.
>>98296074Name: Switchblade SWB-1DRole: SniperTonnage: 55Top Speed: 86 km/hBV: 1767Cost: 10,107,757 C-BillsProducer: General MotorsQuirks: Flawed Cooling, No/Minimal Arms, Stabilized Weapon (Gauss Rifle), Directional Torso Mount (Gauss Rifle)The General Motors Switchblade is designed to be a workhorse battlemech mobile, well-armored, and highly lethal out to long ranges. The Switchblade is the culmination of all of the advancements since the discovery of the Helm Memory Core with an endosteel chassis, ferro-fibrous armor, and an XL engine. The Primary armament of the Switchblade and what gives the mech its name is its shoulder-mounted gauss rifle, both stabilized and designed to be able to be "flipped" backwards, threatening anyone who manages to outflank the Switchblade. The secondary armament are a pair of ER large lasers in the center and left torso allowing sustained fire at long ranges. The concentration of its armament in its torso makes disabling the Switchblade difficult without destroying the head or center torso of the heavily protected mech outright. 11 double heat sinks meanwhile means some heat management is required to keep the mech cool under sustained combat load and the cooling system is unfortunately delicate for its design.Overall the Switchblade is able to use its range and accuracy even at speed to engage the clans on its own terms while still being capable of effectively engaging in close combat and under less than ideal circumstances.
>>98300315>twice as expensive as an Atlas>for a 50-tonner with no ranged weaponsSure to be a fan favorite on Solaris VII.
Griffin GRF-3XRole SkirmisherTonnage 55 Battlefists, Jettison-Capable Weapon (PPC), Rugged (1), UbiquitousCost 12,129,990 C-billsBV 1,598I feel like we are going this the wrong way. How do we improve upon perfection? By giving it the armor of an assault mech! Using incomplete records about the Griffin 2N as a basis you get the ultimate in multirole medium trooper. The Fusigon Longtooth ER PPC allows it to strike at targets at range while a pair of TharHes 4 Packs gives added close range punch including the ability to fire inferno warheads to deal with elementals. Sixteen and a half tons of hardened armor lets it absorb damage that mechs much heavier than it can barely stand up to and six jump jets give it added mobility.
I'm hoping that at some point in the future we do a pre-2500 Mech design, like in 2470 or 2480. People only just figured out light 'mechs with the Mackie only about 30 years old, half the equipment's primitives or prototypes, and no one knows what a good or bad 'mech design really is.I say 2470 because I think MechFactory doesn't go before 2468 and MegaMek seems to have problems loading anything before 2458 when it comes to Primitives. At least for .51.00Could even be early enough for people to be making Tanks and the like advertised as killers of the 'mech concept.Admittedly, it might lean a bit too close to Introtech unless there's some real strong flavor focus.
>>98302824 It does have some stuff like rifles. But yeah I'll have to see what Meklab has before I throw out early and SL designs
>>98302824So basically a primitive mech design challenge? Could be fun.
>>98302865Set primitive to 2460 and meklab will work fine.
>>98302869Yeah, though it is a shame that this theoretical challenge couldn't be placed in 2450. But MegaMek throws up errors if you try to set primitives to that early (looks like something to do with Structure?) and fails to load any 'mechs before the ARC-1A in 2458 and even then still has troubles. That's before the also mentioned issues like MekFactory just does not let you go that far back that may persist in other stuff. Really prevents anyone from larping as a tank/aerospace/etc design calling Battlemechs a mere fad and be taken at least semi-seriously.
>>98302824>>98302895Compromise and call it a 2475 challenge? Not so far back that MegaMek totally shits itself but far back enough that the BNC-3E is still being produced against all better judgement and jump jets are the new hotness.
>>98303800Banshee 3E is one of the strongest mechs available in 2475. Think about that for a second. It has the speed of a medium mech, firepower of a heavy mech, armor of an assault mech and it also doesn't overheat. It's the Mad Cat of the Age of War.
>>98304088>~9.5M C-bills for an AC/5, a PPC and 4/6/0If someone is dumb enough to let the 95-ton assault mech get close enough to take them apart then sure gg no re but dear god that PRICE. You know what I'd procure as an alternative to one (1) BNC-3E in 2475? An entire lance of (that is to say four (4)) SWD-1. At a LOWER cost I get four (4) AC/5s, four (4) LRM-5s and eight (8) MLs at 3/5/0>It has the speed of a medium mech,Granted.>firepower of a heavy mech,It's about on par with the fucking GRF-1A and certainly out-maneuvered by it.>armor of an assault mechNo argument there.>and it also doesn't overheat."Massively under-gunned" is another way to phrase it.>It's the Mad Cat of the Age of War.Are you high? The MadCat weighs as much as a MAD-3R but has double the BV2 and almost four times the sticker price for a damn good reason while the BNC-3E is a cunt-hair off from weighing as much as a Mackie while having an almost identical BV and somehow being even more expensive.
>>98305306Cost isn't actually the primary deciding factor for anything. There's a reason America buys F-35s instead of spamming F-16s or buys Abrams instead of keeping old M60s. Even in battletech it isn't true, it's why massively expensive battlemechs see widespread adoption.Is it a factor? Sure, but its rarely the deciding factor because often times the deciding factor is sheer ability to build mechs or availability of competent pilots, especially after the First Succession War meant that any mech was better than simply not having mechs so it wasn't a choice between one mech costing 8M and three mechs costing 2M it was a case of one mech costing 8M or one mech costing 2M.
>>98305858well, cost is a factor, or cost-benefit is to be specifican M60A3 was 1.5M in 1989, an M1A1 was 4M in 1989but the lack of HEAT protection on the M60A3 means its way more likely to be knocked, and higher attrition means higher crew replacement, and each crewman costs hundreds of thousands to train eachso long-term costs in a cold war gone hot situation isnt actually 3:1 like it would seem on paper but more like 2:1 or 1:1 depending on how prevalent losses to RPGs would be, and at that point the M1 actually seems like a bargain considering it comes with a bigger gun
>>98305306And one must remember being able to use the Mech ITSELF as a weapon is also an asset; If all else fails, shoulder check the fuckers.
>>98305306Anon what are the options in 2475 though? The only things that can really think about standing up to it is the 2R Archer and 7A Mackie. Everything else is a primitive or a joke.For that era designs were progressing fast and for a very brief moment in time the 3E Banshee was top dog. Give it a few years and I'd make an argument that the 2E Ymir steals its crown till the next best thing comes along. Reminds me of the late 19th century warship construction where by the time something entered service it was already on its way to becoming obsolete.
>>98305858>Cost isn't actually the primary deciding factor for anything.Cost is a HUGE factor. Quibbling over nickels and dimes is stupid but several million C-bills per-unit isn't that.>There's a reason America buys F-35s instead of spamming F-16s or buys Abrams instead of keeping old M60s.Because even at the price point they represent more bang for the buck.>Even in battletech it isn't true, it's why massively expensive battlemechs see widespread adoption.Most expensive 'mechs also generally represent good value, which the BNC-3E doesn't. Cut the price by a third and it's "unconventional" instead of "embarrassing".>>98306074>Anon what are the options in 2475 though?In the same exactly niche? Nothing. The BNC-3E is great if you're either the anvil or the hammer and it's hard to understate the psychological effects of something the size of an apartment building sprinting at you while cracking its knuckles menacingly. However, outside of the niche of "alpha strike until charging distance is reached" it didn't fare so well. It was outgunned and matched in speed by heavies and out-sped by mediums and god help you if any part of your bag of tricks stops working because of terrain or criticals or whatever. To answer the question: in 2475 I'd rather have a MSK-7A (depending on what "late 2400s" means), or even just a 6S retrofitted with standard armor and a standard PPC. Good heat management, the same amount of armor and massively increased firepower and all it costs is going to 3/5.>For that era designs were progressing fast and for a very brief moment in time the 3E Banshee was top dog.Oh, sure. As a punchbot in particular it's STILL terrifying.>Give it a few years and I'd make an argument that the 2E Ymir steals its crown till the next best thing comes along.Seems about right.>Reminds me of the late 19th century warship construction where by the time something entered service it was already on its way to becoming obsolete.I love that about the AoW.
>>98296074Duelist DLS-1TSkirmisher55tImproved Cooling Jacket (both ERPPCs), Difficult to Maintain, Non-Standard Parts1751 BV6,116,507 C-BillsWith sufficient effort, parity with Clan designs can be reached. The true challenge has always been sustainment. Introducing the Duelist, the first medium-class BattleMech to stand toe-to-toe with the Clans at long range. Bearing a pair of ERPPCs, and armored to withstand the same in return, the Duelist dictates the pace of battle with its five jump jets, allowing it the breathing room to manage the immense heat load of such a heavy armament. If forced into closer range, its battery of ER Medium Lasers output similar destructive potential at an even higher tempo, and at point-blank, its pair of flamers level the field again by denying them the use of their full arsenal.No one weapon, even a BattleMech, will ever constitute a full combined arms force, and we encourage you to peruse our catalog for other pieces to your tactical puzzle. But today, we are proud to add the Duelist to that list: a 'Mech that will fight and survive in the space where the Clans consider themselves most advantaged.
This late 2400 discussion gives me an idea for a potential AoW design challenge suggestion. What if you were tasked with designing a heavy or assault mech with tech available in 2475 but if you are using introtech rather than primitive the engine has to be above 320 in rating because the smaller more reasonable weight efficient engines haven't been invented/aren't available yet?
>>98307084Funny thing is, with all the talk about the Banshee and the late 2400s, I alteady built thhat 'mech yesterday.Let's let the current prompt run its course first though.
>>98307084320 might be too high, as the ARC-2R is a non-primitive in standard production with a 280 in 2474 and there's also the similar CRS-6B with a 300 in 2473. And in 2475 specifically, there's the Battleaxe BKX-7K with another 280 and a Hammerhands HMH-3D with a 225.MegaMek also lists the WSP-1A with its 120, but the details on that one is that its prototyping started in 2471 but didn't finish until 2504. So that probably shouldn't count.May want to do 220 instead? That gives Introtech ones the walk speed options of:>60: 4/5/6>65: 4/5/6>70: 4/5>75: 3/4/5>80: 3/4/5>85: 3/4>90: 3/4>95: 3/4>100: 3/43s and 4s seem to be the most common on 'Mechs at the time, so that at least seems like a fine line to set things at for what would evolve past Primitives.
>>98307353So the idea is that primitives wouldn't have any restrictions but standard tech will, otherwise a 280 or 300 engine makes things far too easy since you can just build a Marauder, Warhammer, hell even Banshee 3S.
>>98306394>Most expensive 'mechs also generally represent good value, which the BNC-3E doesn't. Cut the price by a third and it's "unconventional" instead of "embarrassing".The Highlander HGN-732 was the 13th most expensive mech of the Star League era, the HGN-732b was the 8th. For a similar price you could afford 2 Galahad GLH-2Ds which would have similar mobility and bring to bear a combined four gauss rifles vs the Highlander's one gauss rifle, an LRM-20 and some medium lasers. Despite this the Galahad never saw anywhere near the widespread adoption as the Highlander and only three variants were made and only one ancient design (the 2D) survives to the "modern" era.Also it's important to compare the Banshee to its peers and in its role, if you compare a single assault mech to a lance of mediums of course it would lose, it's why BV is used instead of C-Bill cost for balance and even then why opponents should have similarly sized forces. Is the Banshee good? No. However cost isn't the reason, it isn't good because you have the mobility of a heavy, the firepower of a medium, and the footprint of an assault mech. The Mackie costs about the same and for the era it's a great mech, a PPC, 2x LL, and an AC/20, but at the same time I would still take a trio or lance of Swords over a single Mackie. However that isn't a reasonable tradeoff as in a realistic situation that lance of Swords would require greater logistical support assets. If you want three mechanics per mech than you'll need a combined 16 personnel for the sword lance vs four people for the Mackie just to start. This gets worse if you assume say a battalion of Swords vs a company of Mackies where the battalion would require three dropships to the Mackies' one with additional staff for said ships.
>>98307084As an aside I love redesigns. Something like>The year is 3150 and a cache of venerable Age of War Mackies has been rediscovered. A company has expressed interest in upgrading them to post-blackout standards and has requested you submit a design. If approved you will receive royalties as well as a single lance of the upgraded battlemechs. Rules and limitations>The modifications are intended to be relatively quick and easy, the company doesn't want to waste time with complete engine refits or chassis rebuilds, thus rebuilding the entire structure, replacing the engine, or the myomer structure is beyond the scope of desired modifications (no endosteel chassis, compact, L/XL/XXL engine, TSM, or gyro replacements>While clan tech can potentially be acquired for the project it should be kept to a minimum as there may be difficulty in acquiring large amounts of clan systems>There are no cost limits, but attempts should be made to minimize costs, weapons and systems replaced will be sold off or scrapped to make up for costs (if you want you can calculate the actual costs of modifications and subtract costs of scrapped systems, but that's purely optional)>Use advanced building rules
We are getting some good ideas for future design scenarios. We also have a good crop of mechs for this one
>>98307412I suppose that makes sense. Looking at the Weight/Speed Optimization chart, the optimums do look to be more fairly balanced for the 320 (right of green valid for Introtech) compared to 220 (right of yellow valid for Introtech) and cause some interesting balance points in what remains.
>>98307908how do you read this chart?
>>98308039On the left column is the various tonnages of 'mechs in the standard weight range.The top row is the various walking speeds you can get for that tonnage of 'mech, based on what engines are allowed.The various boxes are how much free weight you have leftover for a 'mech after adding in the fusion engine needed to reach that specific speed, before armor/equipment/heat sinks/etc are added. So for example if you make a 55 ton 'mech with a walking speed of 3, you will have 38.5 tons available to spend on equipment.The red numbered boxes on the chart are the places where the most tonnage is available for a given speed. So for a 4 Speed 'mech, the highest free tonnage you have is a threeway tie at 75, 80, or 85 tons with 42.5 tons to spend. Of note is that there can be other factors that shift the math, such as if you are using Jump Jets, a 55 ton 'mech at 5 speed beats a 60 ton 'mech at 5 speed because the 55 tonner's jump jets are 0.5 tons/JJ while a 60's are 1.0 ton/JJ.That one I posted there is the one for Standard fusion engines, but ones have been made for every type of engine. I've attached those all here.
>>98308120Oh, and the reason that the charts have different lengths is that the max engine size is 400, but on some of the lower weight 'mech tonnages, they hit a limit on how big of one they can squeeze in there. If you look on the bottommost, even with an XXL engine, a 20 Ton 'mech can only go up to a 360 engine.I will note these charts are for Battlemechs as that's the main thing this thread is focused on. Industrial, LAM, and Quadvees are somewhat close with a bit less free weight typically, but I know Industrial and Quadvees have their a few other engine types not covered. This also doesn't count for superheavies and other vehicle types have their own math to them.Though as a fun fact for it, Tanks have approximately equal free tonnage to 'Mechs at 20 tons and are better below that point. It's at 25 tonnage and above that they fall behind on a free tonnage perspective.
>>98308120for a 90ton mech with a 3/5/ movement if I use a compact engine I'd get 53.25 free tonnage? or does that not include every thing else, gyro, sensors etc..?
>>98285237late to the party but >1: which design do you think best replacement for the Urban mech at its price point? >>98272065 i dont approve of using clan tech, but it checks all the boxes>2: Which design do you personally like best?>>98269572 i hate the philosophy but i have to admit, a suicidal rushdown will work disgustingly well exactly one time. for a garrison unit that's all you can ask for>3: Which design is most innovative?>>98270737 still seething that i gave up on a LAM because i couldnt fit the budget and this cunt just went and did it>4: Which design was just an off the wall bit of crazy, goofy or just WTF you just kinda like?>>98271546 i know for a fact the ICE made this worse and he did it anyway
>>98296074Awe AWE-001Trooper55t1673 BV5,566,257 C-BillsTaking cues from the storied Awesome and the long-serving workhorse medium mechs of the inner sphere, Janus Industries presents the next generation of trooper mechs: the Awe. Utilizing widely available components and materials, the Awe offers an awe-inspiring combination of durability, mobility, and firepower. A brace of PPCs backed by a trio of Medium Lasers is the armament every great house has wanted for their mechs, and is now feasible at great scale with the reintroduction of double heat sinks. A 275 grade fusion engine backed by jump jets provides the gold standard of tactical mobility. 10 tons of ferro-fib armor without any ammo gives the Awe best-in-class longevity. The Awe is not a fancy, exciting, or cutting-edge machine. It is a machine designed to win battles and win wars.
>>98296074SMITH-industrial returns with the Cassius CA51SStriker50tquirks: lacks cooling jackets1428 BV5,240,750 CBillsDont you hate it when some self-important pod baby tries to "liberate" your core industrial worlds? need a powerful machine that will let your elite pilots go toe to toe with clantech and live to tell the tale? Then prepare to be amazed by-THE CASSIUS5/8/2 movement to keep pace with those evasive clan mediums. But i hear you ask, what if they can run faster or jump higher? simply nail them with your RT Gauss rifle (2t of ammo)! high power and versatile range allows you to control the field and exploit cover.But what if they close in to minimum range? well dear customer, we offer two solutions 1) overheat the cocky energy-heavy bastards with your three flamers2) punch themThats right, just punch them! thanks to the tactical application of TSM and no cooling jackets, you can easily hit the threshold required to just punch them right the fuck out. full technical specifications are proprietary info, but the gist is as follows:
At this point Scenario 2 is closed Our options are.1:Headsman HDM-O2:Frankenstein FRK-1N3:Shabadoo SBD-004:Super Assassin ASN-315:Damber6:Sarissa SRA-Bm17:ONI ON-1X8:Ullr UL-1R9:FISTO FIS-T3R10: Abomination 11:Clan Buster CL-BST 0112:Toothpick TH-P1K13:SHX-2-Prime Shadomniation14:RAVEN'S WING RW-AC115:Tesserarius TE5-A16:Thruster THR-U5T3R17:Vaisravana VSR-1N18:Switchblade SWB-1D19:Griffin GRF-3X20:Duelist DLS-1T21:Awe AWE-00122:Cassius CA51SIt's a nice number of entries. Your voting categories are.>>1:Which do you think hit the challenge best?>>2;Which Design is your favorite?>>3:Which design is most innovative >>4: Which design is the meth baby this round?Voting will stay open until Tuesday the 7th, 6PM EST.
>>98309647>1:Which do you think hit the challenge best?>>98301452 This vote is derogatory, a Gauss is the obvious default gun for a challenge like this. I dislike it a bit less than the other gauss carriers though.>2;Which Design is your favorite?>>98296827 It's mine and I'm vouching for it. Thanks for doing a challenge more friendly to Omnis, I haven't really bothered making one before.>3:Which design is most innovative>>98299341 This Armored Core homage is mostly cool for the idea of an open source Omni platform, even if I don't think it really works for Battletech.>4: Which design is the meth baby this round?>>98300315
>>98310069>I dislike it a bit less than the other gauss carriers though.As the designer of one of the other Gauss Carriers, why?
>>98309647>Which do you think hit the challenge best?In terms of being a fast mech with the range to take on Clanners while remaining effective at multiple ranges? I'm voting the Vaisravana >>98301357>Which Design is your favorite?The Switchblade >>98301452 While it's more of a dedicated sniper than an all-rounder, that's some exceptional firepower.>Which design is most innovativeThe Ullr. >>98298136 Always interesting to see a tripod mech.>Which design is the meth baby this round?Seems pretty obvious. >>98300315
>>98310148Ullr is neat enough, but is overloaded on positive quirks and is a bit narratively lean. Clan Buster is as formulaic as you can get for the challenge, plus Bad Reputation (Clan) is cheesy as a negative and feels egotistic, I guess? I'm probably phrasing it wrong, but it doesn't do it for me.
>>98309647Not gonna vote for my own design (switchblade) even if I think it wins in at least some of these categories.>Which do you think hit the challenge best?Awe AWE-001Solid mobility, 2 PPCs, and 3 Medium lasers makes it a solid mech at short and long range, and at only 5 million C-bills and 55 tons.>Which Design is your favorite?Ullr UL-1RThree legged mechs are rare so it's nice to see one and the gauss/PPC combo is nice, plus I love the C3 variant combo, especially because masters are hard to come by in general.>Which design is most innovativeRAVEN'S WING RW-AC1I think it's underarmed for its weight and cost, but mobile, nimble jumper, hard to pilot, and general mobility are cool.>Which design is the meth baby this round?Duelist DLS-1TCall me no fun allowed, but I'm gonna avoid anything which tries too hard and go for the mech that's designed to be at least semi-competent even if its design is built around nearly overheating all the time. Plus I find the ability to go kamikaze fun, and being able to just jump behind an aggressive clan mech and dump 44 points of damage into their backside while your pilot gets literally cooked alive in his mech is a cool thing.
>>98310191>plus Bad Reputation (Clan) is cheesy as a negative and feels egotistic,I mean yeah, but it's not like Jettison-Capable Weapon is that powerful of a Positive Quirk either...
One thing don't think people are aware of but standard tripods require two to operate, a pilot and gunnery officer. So each tripod will have to come with its own cute WSO.
>>98309647>1:Which do you think hit the challenge best?>98306777 It's very Pocket Falconer>2;Which Design is your favorite?>>98301452 I like symmetrical loadouts, and who doesn't love a baby Timber Wolf>3:Which design is most innovative>>98298136 I didn't expect to see a tripod>4: Which design is the meth baby this round?>>98299341 I love the AC pastiche, and 7/11/7 is a strong movement profile, unlike the Assassin has organic long range firepower instead of a BOGO deal with an LRM Hetzer or something.
>>98310323>I like symmetrical loadoutsSwitchblade is symmetrical...
>>98310323Woops, meant >2;Which Design is your favorite?>>98301357>>98310354I'm sorry, but Gauss rifles are just kinda boring for a Clanbuster.
>>98310454>Gauss rifles are just kinda boring for a ClanbusterI mean fair, but that's also why I paired it with Jumpjets, an off-hand Hatchet, and surprisingly the Small Pulse Laser in the same arm comes in rather handy.
>>98308369That's correct, with the addendum of things rounding to the nearest .5 if you aren't in Experimental rules and using Fractional Accounting.That does include gyro, cockpit, structure, and so on, though only the standard ones. So if you switch over to Endo-Steel, you get a bit more tonnage. Same with XL gyros, small cockpits, and so on.
>>98309647>Honorable MentionAwe >>98308701, for being an excellent 'Mech for 3050, but not the forward-looking design we are here for today.>1I tried very hard to not shamelessly vote for my own bid, but I still believe in the Duelist >>98306777. The Vaisravana has a decent weapons array and very good speed, but falls to two Clan PPCs to the side torso. The Switchblade his higher non-overheat output, but no jump jets and lower endurance again due to the XL. The Griffin is the most comparable in average performance, and slightly faster to boot, but twice the price per unit and without the potential for an exceptional pilot to work wonders on the heat curve. The only other option on the field even capable of forcing a pilot check at 20+ hexes is the Ullr, which may be a little too far ahead of its time. The key word of this challenge was to survive the Clans, and the Duelist offers the best mixture of the endurance to fight, the mobility to disengage, and the price to do it at scale.>2Despite my misgivings on its survivibility, the Vaisravana >>98301357 just has that cool factor.>3The Raven's Wing >>98299341 would be the crack 'Mech of choice if it wasn't also pretty okay.>4The Abomination >>98298804 for reminding us just how much money you can waste on a 'Mech that still doesn't stand out from the pack.
>>98310902>The key word of this challenge was to survive the Clans, and the Duelist offers the best mixture of the endurance to fight, the mobility to disengage, and the price to do it at scale.I mean if your pitch is budget conscious, why go with ER PPCs AND a brace of ER Medium Lasers?One of the ER PPC's biggest strengths is lacking a Minimum Range.
>leave the clans to me
>>98311122Contingency planning, mostly. If you are forced or the situation encourages closing the range, the ERMLs also put out 20 damage, but don't require the jump-and-hide turn to cool down that you're a lot less likely to get up close. You have options to play with bracket fire if you still want one of the big 10-point hits. If the contract hadn't specified multi-range, then yes, full sniper build with just the PPCs, but true to its name, it is a duelist, and I regard skill responsiveness with the heat curve to be a key aspect of an engaging duel. Also "it's half the price, but shoots half as often" is just funny.
>>98311155>If you are forced or the situation encourages closing the range, the ERMLs also put out 20 damage, but don't require the jump-and-hide turn to cool down that you're a lot less likely to get up close.Yeah, but you could get the same performance out of regular Medium Lasers for nearly half as much Heat and slightly less Range you aren't going to be using in those situations anyways.
>>98311196I considered squeezing the range bracket for everything it was worth while closing to be acceptable, but I do see what you're getting at. It would make heat management once the flamers are in play a bit simpler, but my first impulse from having the extra heat capacity from downgraded lasers would be even more of them, and I wasn't going to rip the armor for that. Perhaps a flaw, but a fitting one for a 'Mech that's best piloted with a saline IV hooked up.
>>98311246>It would make heat management once the flamers are in play a bit simplerHonestly I was thinking more in terms of managing your Jump Jet Heat; I know people like to abuse the fact that Heat Movement Penalties don't apply to Jump Jets, but you are straight up +6 Heat firing the PPCs BEFORE any movement.17 Heat from 4 Medium Lasers and a full Five Hex Jump makes that a lot more manageable that the 25 Heat you get for doing the same with ERs.
>>98309647>>>1:Which do you think hit the challenge best?>>98300315if i were a procurement officer and you told me about >>98297942 at that price point i would start sweating cum. round up the industrialmech pilots and get em straight to combat school, i just hope production can keep up with how many im going to buy!>>>2;Which Design is your favorite?>>>3:Which design is most innovative>>98298028 quite possibly the only defence oriented mech in the lineup>>>4: Which design is the meth baby this round?gotta go with >>98298804 for it's absolutely disgusting pricetag. love a machine that's undergunned against frames a tenth it's cost, but i bet those headshots are pure sex when they happen
we slapped a tank gun on top of an industrial mech and called it a daythe clans will fear us
>>98309647>1) Which do you think hit the challenge best?The StarslayerHowever if we are going with what anons submitted then the SHX-2-Prime Shadomniation >>98299149Anon failed to sell it but after looking at it closely it has features I like. Cause anon also failed to disclose the base configuration I'm judging it as a standard rather than omni design.This wins out for me for two key factors. It takes into account Elementals are a big threat and it can deal with them. Second it knows it won't win a standup fight truly so TAG lets it call down an Arrow IV on an enemy that it can't beat. This would make a really good addition to any force.>2) Which Design is your favorite?Vaisravana VSR-1N >>98301357Its basically a baby Rakshasa and I like the Rakshasa. It also feels something that an IS firm would try to come up with and sell to desperate Houses.>3) Which design is most innovative Project RAVEN'S WING RW-AC1 >>98299341It feels like an advanced tech demonstration model and does it well. Its armor is a complete joke though and feel we need to make a rule that if you submit an omni a base config with pod space should be shown.>4) Which design is the meth baby this round?Super Assassin ASN-31 >>98297295 because it feels like something either Comstar or the WoB would have come up with and use out of severe desperation for equipment and fits their NARC fetish yet is still a deathtrap.Overall some decent designs here, some would make good garrison units. Don't think anything kind of stands out as a true winner to me as I was finding it a tossup although a few honorary mentions to anons trying to incorporate electronic equipment. I am surprised nobody attempted to use stealth armor if I am honest and I was hoping for a little more madness.
Just an FYI, I was the anon that came up with the Abomination and didn't actually mean for it to be a serious entry to be included but since anons are enjoying it I'll just remind everyone it has effectively got 296pts of armor. Each hardened armor pip can take two points of damage.
>>98310902>the Duelist offers the best mixture of the endurance to fight, the mobility to disengage, and the price to do it at scalei looked closely at the duelist, it's twin PPCs make 26 heat per turn and it can only sink 22. i dont know clan mediums well so im not sure what it expects to fight, but it feels to me that a peer opponent would have two clan PPCs and clan doubles, and therefore would just dominate it in the DPS race. it's definitely tough and mobile and well priced, but it cant leverage those advantages because it cant move and shoot, cant sustain it's damage, and even if it wins it cant be repaired
>>98311519Turns spent out of LOS cooling down count towards combat life expectancy.No refunds.
>>98310608maybe I'm using the wrong program, mordel's mech builder since I have an account already and I'm familiar with it, but with a 90 ton mech with 3/5/0 movement if I use a compact engine I get 35.50 free tonnage with gyro, cockpit armor etc... included.
>>98311866nevermind, I only get the 53.25 tonnage if there's no armor on the mech.
>>98311519>>98311777To be a little less of an ass about it, it can hit as hard as a Clanner... every other turn. If your pilot is good and operating as part of a team, that should be all he needs. If your pilot is crazy, we accommodate for that, too.
>>98306777what heatsinks does it have and how many?
>>98311955It's on the Record Sheet in the usual spot.
>>98311966dear god, how did I miss that?? thanks fren
>>98311777divine trips. i see now i was too quick to cast judgement, and now by righteous artificial lightning my pilots shall be judged in turn...
>>98307908It might be fun to do a challenge surrounding a less than ideal engine because "that's what the company can procured for another mech".
>>98311777>Turns spent out of LOS cooling down count towards combat life expectancy.But you'll waste two turns cooling down to not eat a Heat Fire Penalty, this is why I ultimately upgraded the Clan Buster to Double Heat Sinks; Before adding Jump Jets it was designed around having ten SINGLES.
>>98313408That kind of follows what my idea was to have anons designing an Age of War heavy or assault mech but if they don't use primitive tech they are stuck using a weight inefficient engine. I think there are many ways to play with that idea for other concepts as well.
>>98314896I guess my concern with primitives is armaments being kind of solved.
>>98314909More ways could approach it and doesn't have to follow the primitive idea. Do feel we need some restrictions but not overly limited to encourage some creativity.
>>Which do you think hit the challenge best?The Frankenstein FRK-1N is very close to what I would have built. So I think it fits best.>>Which Design is your favorite?Tesserarius TE5-A just seems like a fun design.>>Which design is most innovative?A tripod clan fighting is certainly something.>>Which design is the meth baby this round?The Abomination is what happens when your drugged out R&D guy blows the R&D budget for like 2 years
>>98309647>1:Which do you think hit the challenge best?Gotta toot my own horn here with the Shadomniation because parity with clantech is just not possible, and with the Hellbringer and Elementals being rather ubiquitous on the other side, electronics warfare and BA have to be accounted for. I did not see much of either in the thread.>2;Which Design is your favorite?The Switchblade has a certain charme and would make a good partner for many of the other suggestions here.>3:Which design is most innovativeIronically the one that kept closest to the roots, the Griffin 3X armor brick. >4: Which design is the meth baby this round?I challenged anon to add a Spike to his 'mech and he delivered that and more, so the Thruster has my vote, but my personal honorable mention is the Vaisravana. It's just like a Rakshasa - hopelessly outperformed by any aspect it seeks to imitate - and any clanner who sees it will toss Zell right out the window.>>98311437Yes, the Shadomniation is a standard battlemech, thus I went with "patterns" rather than "configurations," and "variants" felt too restrictive for a 'mech built to swap the guns with little fuss.
>>98313736Manufacturer's recommendation is to not fire PPCs and ERMLs at the same time; they are separate fire modes for separate ranges. If circumstances on the ground encourage otherwise, the option is there, because heat neutrality is frankly kinda boring. In a lot of ways, it's an Unseen cranked up to extended range via DHS, where you've got way too much gun to go around, and using the right combo at the right time is the key to making it work.
>>98314964For Age of War I don't feel like we really need any limitations, maybe a role like heavy cavalry or mobile assault mech or some sort of vanguard mech to match the Mackie.
>>98316840You'd be surprised just exactly what is available pre 2570.Got FF as early as 2557C.A.S.E. 2452Active Probe 2560DHS 2559XL Engines 2556Mech Mortars 2526Endo-Steel 2480and a fair amount of this stuff isn't just in prototype but full scale production. Even if a lot of advanced weapons aren't going to be available till the Reunification War loads of weight saving components are already available.
>>98317095Sure, but do those require built in limits? I think something like "Davionman wants something to surpass the Mackie in a head to head fight" is fine as a premise for example, and I don't see anything abuseable in the same manner of CLPLs or improved jump jets.
>>98317838DHS alone let you build something akin to an Awesome 9Q during the Age of War. That would be an absolute rape machine. Have to be careful about what restrictions are otherwise you get another 3055 situation where anon forgot just how much stuff was in prototype by then.
>>98317963OP here, I am looking into restrictions and such. Mek lab does allow stuff that wasn't actually available for some reason like Head Turrets and Cases, although Case P was around only for the TH.TH had access to most standard tech by 2470, other nations lagged behind however. I am going to be a bit detailed in the challenge or someone will just make a standard mech with stuff like Head Turrets as Meklab says it's available. I'll be using the stuff from Interstellar Operations: Alternative Eras for setting what is and is not actually available. If it says it not, it's simply not no matter what Meklab says.
I really loved the MW4 games and maybe wanna get into Battletech, but most of the mechs look way too humanoid. Like they have fists and punch each other. Some of them are even "holding" guns with 5 fingered hands. Tbh I wish stuff looked more Realistic like the stilted lumbering weapons platforms in the video games. Even the Atlas, the most humanoid mech there, didn't actually move its fingers. Dunno why I'm posting, I'm just stimming the thread is cool I liked the outfitting aspect of the video games too.
>>98318251I know that the Nebula California books have lists like this to define building custom units, pic related being their Halo one.Perhaps something similar could be made via a google sheets or similar program for a quick reference? It may admittedly be mainly useful in the banlist form of "<X Program> says <Y Thing> is available but its not/restricted, so it's banned" for any designs in Battletech canon, but if we ever end up doing something like a custom California Nebula region then it could do the original allowlist purpose.Maybe do something like say, Cells are green for when its an Allowlist where you can only use what's on the list, while Cells are red for when its a Banlist where you can't use what's on the list.
>>98318413Many are but there are tons of non-huminoid designs. BT has a lot of units, over 700 mech designs with alternative versions reaching 3000 or more. You can field totally non humanechs and even pick ones that look more "realistic", such as the infantry support Gún to left.
>>98318441.at not be a bad idea. Meklab does most of this once you switch to primartive mod. There are a few items it still allows that are not available though for some reason. I have been going though the IO:AE book to run down some of it. I think the issue might be the year for some of it as the TH had standard mech tech by 2475. So may just go 2468 and see if that fixes most of the Meklab issue
>>98317963>DHS alone let you build something akin to an Awesome 9Q during the Age of War. That would be an absolute rape machine.Yes, which is ultimately the goal for this. Moreover restrictions for the sake of restrictions are boring, if you want to exclude specific tech at least use a justification like >>98307518 where the design concept is why stuff like XL engines and endosteel are forbidden.Also as far as I can tell DHS weren't used on any mechs until the Star League whether or not they existed, same thing with XL engines.
Idea for the next challenge:Incendiary mech to replace the Firestarter, light to medium class mech, era is dark age.
>>98319327>Also as far as I can tell DHS weren't used on any mechs until the Star League whether or not they existed, same thing with XL engines.Helepolis was the first to be refitted with DHS and and this was done during the Age of War. Galahad shows up just at the very end of the Age of War and is the second mech to mount them but first to be built with them in mind from the get go.XL is proving harder to track. I think actually it might be a vehicle funny enough as I am pretty sure there was an Age of War tank that had it from memory.You have now triggered my autism where I now want to go and find which unit was the first to mount certain equipment.
>>98319767Like Agrimech technical DA or crazy ass mixed tech DA?
>>98319810I don't have an idea for price or other restrictions, feel free to add them whoever decides to make the next challenge. as for which kind of DA, leaving that the the one who makes the challenge.
>>98319808DHS prototypes are TH 2559, were not in production to 2567 and only for the TH. It only became common tech in 3045.XL engine is 2556 and 2579, TH only again. They really held onto that advanced tech hard.Those years might help you hunt down the units.
>>98318595cute
>>98319818I think a "fuck BA and fuck infantry too" design challenge could be fun because it's different than usual mech combat, but I don't play with infantry enough to know whether this is a solved problem of "apply flamer/plasma/mg to the forehead"
>>98320119BA makes it much harder because they take a bit of fire to bring down and in my experience can be much more annoying than infantry.
OP here, rough day. I'll tally up the votes and get the next challenge up tomorrow
>>98320119Inferno SRMs pretty much are the ultimate expression of fuck your infantry and BA as well. Later eras there are heat resistant units though that is what frag is for. Basically a pair of MML launchers on legs would make a fantastic infantry and BA hunter.
And the winners for this round are>>Which do you think hit the challenge best? We have a tie. SHX-2-Prime Shadomniation and Duelist DLS-1T>>;Which Design is your favorite?Vaisravana VSR-1N>>:Which design is most innovativeRAVEN'S WING RW-AC1>>: Which design is the meth baby this round?AbominationTop 5 (4 votes each)8:Ullr UL-1R10: Abomination14:RAVEN'S WING RW-AC117:Vaisravana VSR-1N18:Switchblade SWB-1D
>>98321320Sooooooooooo the Jihad era Yeoman?
>>98322618I did a wee count for anons per category1)Switchblade SWB-1D 1 voteVaisravana VSR-1N 1 voteAwe AWE-001 1 voteDuelist DLS-1T 2 votesSHX-2-Prime Shadomniation 2 vote Frankenstein FRK-1N 1 vote2)Headsman HDM-O 1 voteSwitchblade SWB-1D 2 votesUllr UL-1R 1 vote 1 voteVaisravana VSR-1N 3 votesTesserarius TE5-A 1 vote3) Project RAVEN'S WING RW-AC1 4 votesUllr UL-1R 3 votesSarissa SRA-Bm1 1 voteGriffin GRF-3X 1 vote4) Thruster THR-U5T3R 3 votesDuelist DLS-1T 1 voteProject RAVEN'S WING RW-AC1 1 voteAbomination 3 votesSuper Assassin ASN-31 1 vote>>98311365I could not tell what if anons vote were for 1 and 2 here but counted their 3 and 4 vote. So based on their choice for 1 or 2 the Thruster is actually a top 5 not the Abomination.
Lets do something a bit different than planned for this one>>Scenario Three The Year is 3078 and the Jihad rages across the inner sphere. Worlds burn, nations splinter and manufacturing suffers as factories are destroyed and supply lines falter.While modern production suffers, many less sophisticated worlds and factories have another option. So called "Retrotech", reaching back to the days before the Star league, mech technology existed in primitive form. Fusions engines, cockpits, gyros and armor that can be made in less modern factories. And that is just what you are going to do, be it for your worlds own defense or to sell to the inner sphere at large, with technology not seen since the age of war you are gonna build a mech!>>Requirements: You are to build a mech using the primitive mech rules, you can access them in Meklab by using Edit>Switch Unit type> primitive/Retro.Now while the unit is primitive , it is 3078, you can use whatever gear allowed as a advanced unit. Do try to come up with some narrative reason, I believe in your creativity. You can do it.As for the Unit, any mass, size category, role or even price is allowed. You can get creative with the Retrotech design. Do keep in mind if you are trying to sell it if your Retro Taiwan "M-Raider" and it costs as much or more than an actual Marauder, that isn't gonna sell.>> End date: Saturday the 11th at 5 PM EST
>>98323427I could have miscounted, math is hard lol.
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>>98323751Hey! Get lost! These suckers are mine to swindl- I mean these customers deserve a true quality product in these dire times of need!Just saw your post after I posted mine, kind of laughed we had similar sort of ideas
>>98323630Battletech is a game of combat maths made by people who suck at maths afterall.
>>98323007Pretty much but those LRMs may as well be extra MMLs. MMLs really are shockingly good weapons from a campaign and RPG perspective.
>>98323598Thrustmidget THR-M1G3Scout20 TonsDistracting, Searchlight, Bad ReputationBV 2393,851,640 C-billsFrom the same design team that brought you the Thruster, now comes the ultimate primitive machine taking charge attacks with antiquated equipment to the limit! Easily able to inflict up to 5 PPC hits worth of damage, when the supercharger is engaged this tenacious little devil will be able to slam its spiked crotch into the enemy at 172.8 kph! Equipped with the distraction package that made the Thruster so great and representing a massive cost saving over our previous designs we can sell you these little rascals en masse, meaning the next time that little Blakist lady shows up in her Mongoose she can be swarmed making her feel like Snow White getting ploughed by the Seven Dwarfs! Now we have managed to scrouge up some heavy ferro-fibrous armor, just enough to keep it mostly intact as it runs at the enemy but for safety reasons we recommend linking the autoeject to the impact sensor on the spiked crotch plate, unless of course you prefer to rig them to some sort of booby trap device...hmm that actually gives me an idea....I'll be right back!
Name: Humper HMP-1DRole: SniperTonage: 50 tonsTop Speed: 54 km/hBV: 747Cost: 3,117,000 C-billsProducer: General Electric (Washer and Dryer Division)Quirks: Barrel FistsThe Humper is a modification of the Hunchback created to utilize parts from various civilian industry factories. Sacrificing some of the speed of the Hunchback the iconic rectangular weapon case which replaces its AC/20 with an AC/10 and LRM-10. This turns the close range brawler into a long-medium range mech capable of delivering as much damage as the iconic AC/20 at a longer range, albeit broken up between multiple missiles and an AC/10.While not explicitly required the Humper is intended to be stocked with precision ammo which allows the battlemech superb accuracy to make up for a lack of volume fire and inexperienced pilots, veterans being in such short supply in these times. If there is a lack of precision ammo than conventional ammo stores will allow the Humper to maintain its fusilade for an extended time.
>inb4 this just becomes a primitive Hunchback challenge
>>98323598>you can use whatever gear allowed as a advanced unitPrimitive weapons are at the Experimental rules level. Are you explicitly excluding them?
>>98323808I mean, Uncle Valasek's Totally Legit Dicount Mechworks Business sounds like a killer joint venture.
>>98324058Seems like a good bit of lore for the Jihad.
Hi Folks, Discount Danthony here, totally unrelated to wanted fraudster and shifty fuckwit Discount Dan, with the Roughcut RGH-1, outfitted with 10 tons of standard plate armor we spared no expense on making it durable enough to compensate for the lower speed. Armed with a Clan Grade Large Pulse Laser that I sto- Tactically Acquired from a Clan Weed Turke- Jade Falcon cache, the other weapon of this shi- fine mech is an MML9 with two tons of each ammo type to feed it with the ammo protected by Clan Grade CASE salvaged from the best clan mechs that tried to make me pay taxes, outfitted with 15 of some of the best heatsinks I could steal from the capellans, because nobody cares about capellans, if they wanted AC they shouldn't have been capellans, to keep it cool this baby is a damn good line unit all at an affordable price point, just don't ask why some of the parts don't have a serial number.BUY TODAY!!!!!!!!!!!
>>98323598Is the Blaser (two LLs duct taped together that the Sarissa uses) allowed?
>>98323598>>98324008This uses experimental tech but its too funny not to share. Feel free to strike it from lists.Warboy WAG-GHAmbusher40 TonsBad Reputation, Difficult Ejection, Distracting, Narrow/Low Profile, Poor Life Support, SearchlightBV 8533,692,360 C-billsFrom the design team that brought you the Thruster and the Thrustmidget, desperate times call for desperate measures. Able to inflict the equivalent damage of 6 AC/20 hits to any targets within 30 meters, the Warboy is designed to wait in ambush and pounce unsuspecting grouped enemy formations before blowing itself up taking everyone around it with it in a spectacular explosion. If waiting is not your style then the stripped down construction and stealth armor presents a difficult target to hit. As we don't anticipate pilots to be using this machine for long we have stripped back some of the long term amenities of this machine. Show the true meaning of Jihad today! 72 virgins not guaranteed.
>>98324037Not sure why you would as most are more outdated and primitive than primitive mechs.If people want to use outdated weapons they can.
>>98324194If it's on the advanced list, it's allowed. Otherwise no.
>>98323598Zweihander ZHD-1Role: Skirmisher40tBV 5422, 121, 093 C-BillsEasy to Maintain, Rugged 1, Bad Reputation, Difficult EjectionGood evening, Your Highnesses. As the inheritor of the Swordsman's design and its surviving factory on Robinson, it is my honor to present you with the Zweihander; a revision of the venerable BattleMech that even our most overburdened supply lines can sustain.The Zweihander's simplified frame and components can be maintained by anyone with a basic understanding of BattleMech engineering and manufactured in nearly any IndustrialMech factory. In place of the standard fusion reactor, a 145-rated Fuel Cell has been mounted to reduce strain on repair teams. We have similarly designed its ammunition bays to be compatible with missiles and rifle rounds from up to three centuries ago. Modern weapon systems allow the SWD-2's upgraded offensive capabilities to be retained even with these more basic components; One ton of missiles supply a MML5 pack, using a bin compatible with any SRM and LRM loads available. The arm-mounted machine guns are similarly fed by a half-ton of ammunition, and chambered in the same calibre that our infantry uses to further ease logistics. Even if ammunition can not be sourced, a Medium Laser over the shoulder and Sword carried in the right hand serve as reliable reserve weapons. Should conditions improve after deployment, an upgrade package to bring the Zweihander to previous standards can easily be prepared and installed with the appropriate facilities.Seven years ago, the Word of Blake laid waste to my homeworld. A number of you have seen the damage in person. I say this not to beg for your pity or charity, but to remind you of the dire conditions in which we are still able to build the Zweihander. I have no doubt that countless more planets that have been ravaged by the Jihad would be able to do the same.
>>98324655BV 5532,135,093 C-BillsI forgot to update my draft after finalizing the kit, these are the correct numbers.
Kneecapper M1S-RYSkirmisher55tBV 8924,592,004 C-bills (dry)Stabilized Weapon (LB 10-X), Accurate Weapon (LB 10-X), low profileA. W. Industries is proud to present the Kneecapper M1S-RY, an affordable medium skirmisher specializing in hitting lighter 'mechs and Battle Armor where it hurts. While not exessively armed, armored or mobile, the accurized and stabilized Clan LB 10-X of the M1S-RY paired with the integrated targeting computer and one full ton each of slugs and canister shot means that you WILL hit what you're aiming at no matter the range and you'll hit it like a ton of bricks - and isn't that what really matters when all is said and done? Heat management is also a non-issue with the M1S-RY and all ammunition is protected by CASE.Forgot my image like a dummy.
>>98323598Harry DRT-81Role: AmbusherWeight: 60tBV2: 1001Dry Cost: 5,151,360Directional Torso Mounted Weapon, Ammo Feed Problems, Difficult EjectionSuperior Combat Arms and Munitions, a wholly owned subsidiary of Quikscell, took a look at the venerable Hatchetman and thought "What is the essence of the Hatchetman?" And we came to the conclusion that the answer is intimidation, and we knew we could intimidate on the cheap. While expenses were spared on the powerplant and construction, expenses were not spared on the jump jet system, allowing larger bounds. There's no replacement for displacement, and that extra mass goes into a hatchet capable of decapitating anything on the battlefield. How's that for intimidation?But wait, there's more! S.C.A.M. worked with our maritime division to create a reversible swing-arm launcher firing a heavyweight missile that can also take a cockpit clean off. The mount is truly one of the mounts of all time. But nevermind that, in the heat of battle, your enemies are going to be wondering "did he fire 3 shots, or did he fire 4?"Finally, there is a pulse laser in the head to allow you to "smoke on the ops" as well as defend from birds and crunchies.All this can be yours for the low, low price of 5.1m c-bills, approximately 10% less than a factory fresh Hatchetman. Remember, the enemy has to be lucky every time your pull the trigger, you only need to get lucky once.Make 'em scram, buy a S.C.A.M.!
Grunklor GRK 1R55 tonsQuirks: Battlefists (both of them), narrow/low profile, difficult ejection BV: 1016Cost: 4,622,823 C-billsHere at Smenge Industries we know that when you have to go basic, you're not going to last on the modern battlefield. The armour is weak, your mobility is low. Planning for a sustained battle? Nah. Not happening. You have a machine here for the value of it's a mech, and that's better than not having one. Well, unless you have some modern tanks, those will shred. But you probably can't afford or get hold of those if you're here. You're here because you can't even get hold of good quality leftovers from before the Clans invaded and you still need a mech.So with the Grunklor we offer what's essentially an armoured wedge with just enough mobility in its arms and legs, designed to do nothing more than point a reliable snubnose PPC right down the centreline to blast away with, and its baker's dozen of RL10s to hopefully fucking annihilate at least one thing of its tonnage or less. And hey, enough heat sinks to run cool whilst you're getting up close to unload, and you can still beat the shit out of things the old fashioned way if there's anything left of it.
>>98323598Sensenmann SNM-N-PR32Skirmisher55 TonsProtected Actuators, Poor Sealing879 BV5,199,533 C-BillsPrecentor Martial,Per your instructions in the wake of Terra Firma's fall, I have conducted preparatory investigations into methods of increasing military output on Terra that can be conducted even in the event of a heretic invasion of the planet itself. Of particular note has been the possibilities in the application of "RetroTech", a phenomenon appearing in the Periphery and isolated sections of the Inner Sphere, involving the use of pre-Star League BattleMech technology to develop new 'Mech designs or re-introduce obsolete models, such as the Taurian Condordat's revival of the famed Toro. Conversion of civilian industry to produce equipment at such lower standards can be accomplished much more quickly than for modern BattleMechs, and I have identified several facilities that should be ideal for the task.Attached alongside this document is an initial study in our first proposed model, a simplified version of the Grim Reaper-PR31 currently in use across the Militia. While the primitive engine masses thrice the Core Tek 275 XL, it retains the movement profile and C3 slave network of the Grim Reaper, allowing it to fill the same tactical role, and the compact design should allow the retention of the Gigi 200 chassis with no modification beyond gyroscope calibration. Exchanging the ER Large Laser for a Light PPC and Capacitor allows for similar battlefield performance under the significant mass restrictions imposed by the new engine, while the LRM-20 launcher will be replaced with a battery of 60 rocket tubes. Armor coverage will have to be reduced from 10.5 to 7.5 tons, along with the loss of the ER Medium Laser, Triple-Strength Myomer and CASE protection, but combined with the engine simplification, is expected to reduce production cost by over 50% per unit.I eagerly await your approval to proceed.May the Light of Blake shine upon us all.
MKR-1B MusketeerRole: SniperWeight: 70 tonsBV 797Cost: 5,289,550 C-BillsPositive quirks: Easy to Maintain, Fast reload, improved long range targetingNegative Quirks: Exposed Actuators, poor life support, weak head armor 1Keystone Industrial mostly made tractors and farm equipment before the Jihad. But given the force fighting and opportunity, they decided to step into the mech business. Just using mostly retrotech and easily sourced parts they created their first mech, the Musketeer.The Musketeer is a 70 ton mech powered by a primitive 255 fusion engine, allowing it a top speed of 54.3 kph. Keystone Industrial chose to arm it with quad medium rifles, supplied with 8 tons of ammunition, each arm holding 4 canisters that can be quickly changed. Paired with a modified MR-41 weather hawk targeting system, that improves the Musketeer’s long range accuracy. Backing up the rifles are a pair of chin mounted Sperry Browning machine guns for close in work and anti infantry action, while a death blossom 15 rocket launcher gives the Musketeer an extra one time punch. For protection the Musketeer depends on 11.5 tons of primitive armor made locally.The Musketeer does have a few small flaws. Because the life support is based off the AR-34J cool master unit used in many of keystone Industrial agriculture products, it can be somewhat fragile in combat. And the canopy design of its cockpit causes some weakness in the cockpit armor .However, these are minor when for just 5 million c-bills you can buy an easily maintained range unit for planetary defense.
Sharpshooter SHR-1Sniper65 TonsBV 1367Cost: 5,146,735General Positive: Improved Targeting (Long)General Negative: Weak LegsGauss Positive: Stabilized Weapon, Accurate WeaponGauss Negative: No Cooling Jacket (Level 2 of Cooling Jacket flaws)What is before you is a mech designed around one specific thing, getting hard-hitting, accurate shots at long range regardless of its speed.For that, we have built this 'mech around a Gauss Rifle, forgoing a cooling jacket entirely thanks to the low heat the weapon produces making the issues of doing so negligable at best, while amplifying its structural mounting and design to render it as accurate as possible. This is paired with designing the legs in a way that forgoes melee performance but aids in further stabilization for greater range.Targetting data is further enhanced by this platform being able to be integrated into a C3 network, allowing for coordination of its shots upon targets outside of its visual range.This is the first 'mech to be produced by Portland Heavy Industries. If this venture is successful, we shall be investing further in our capabilities to allow for the production of more contemporary components to further improve this platform.
>>98323598Spritz SPZ-6NMissile Boat75 TonsExtended Torso Twist, Nimble Jumper, Stable, No Ejection System, Poor Targeting (Short)BV2: 13635,850,250 C-BillsPresenting Atlas International's newest product, coming to a low-tech production facility near you! The Spritz!Made in response to collapsing infrastructure and supply lines, and sold almost at cost to local militia forces, and licensed willy-nilly to anyone not aligned with those damned Wobbies, the Spritz is meant to leverage low-tech infrastructure to build a mech with 'modern' weaponry, while minimizing said tech-base's weaknesses and flaws. In particular, the Spritz is meant to sit in the back-line, lobbing missiles and rockets at a distance, where it's primitive armour isn't going to be put to the test. A pair of MML's sit in either torso, while a robust frame, sitting on either arm, allows a battery of rockets to be mounted and fired (though their position, while allowing to fast reloads in the field, means that each battery is rather exposed to enemy fire). A pair of Small X Pulse lasers, backed up by a Medium Laser, serve as anti-infantry repellent, while a pair of Anti-Missile Systems, one in either torso, help to reduce counter-battery fire.In a vain attempt to help with the mech's lacking mobility, the mech has been equipped with improved jump jets - though, given the low power of the mech's reactor, this really comes off like trying to put lipstick on a pig. However, as Atlas International has noted, the mech isn't meant to be running in, or alone.
>>98324125fuck I forgot the c-bills, quirks and bv3,197,250 C-bills1,104 BVbattlefist[LA], easy to maintain,
>>98323598Grand Dragon DRG-1GFRole: JuggernautWeight: 60 tonsQuirks: Extended Torso Twist, Stable, Narrow/Low ProfileBV: 1,199Cost: 4,070,880 C-billsIshikawajima-Harima operating at 80% capacity, Matabushi Computing at 60%, BBP industries down to 5%. Warriors of the Combine I will not lie, the damage done to our Capital was great. Not one street has evaded desecration from the gaijin invaders. Now is not the time for sorrow but righteous fury as the Dragon is no stranger to war! Time and time again invaders have broken themselves upon our walls, think of the almighty Clans in 3050 or the Federated Commonwealth in 3039, now both shattered remains of their former glory! The Word of Blake will be no different! Honor the Dragon, take not one step back and keep on fighting! We will hold the line and then drive our enemies from our worlds as we have done countless times before! For the Combine!To assist our people in their time of need Fukkyu Industries with assistance from Luthien Armor Works has created a new symbol of defiance. Taking the original Grand Dragon as a basis we have managed to mimic the firepower of with following adjustments. The rear facing laser has been faced forward and LRM replaced with an MRM launcher. As we have had to use what components we could readily source we knew we could not match the speed of the 1G so we have instead opted to make our model as resilient as possible, opting for near max armor protection and C.A.S.E. so that this design may keep fighting no matter what the enemy may throw at it. Due to the simplistic nature of all this we are able to create these machines very quickly and are willing to offer a machine to anyone who is ready to come to the aid of the Dragon. If you wish to serve the Combine and need a mech to help shore up defences, contact the Fukkyu Gaijin Guild located in the Fukkyu Gaijin zone in what remains of the Crane district on Luthien.
OP here. Remember to validate your units. Primitive and Retro mechs can only mount primitive armor as pre the rules on page .115 of Interstellar Operations: Alternative Eras.The following units seem to have standard or some other illegal armor.>>98323751>>98324008>>98324125>>98324196
>>98327539?
>>98327626Ah nevermind I was forgot third edition was a thing. Fucking CGL leaving no fun allowed!
>>98327663Must be, I only have access to the current 3rd print. Which is what I am going off of.
>>98323598Since a few designs are illegal due to a mixup with rulebooks going to suggest another design.Mimir MIM-1ARole: Brawler40 TonsQuirks: Cramped Cockpit, Exposed Actuators, Improved Sensors, Improved CommunicationsBV 7383,148,880 C-billsNorsican Mekworks believes there is a niche to be filled here by using retrotech to design an affordable yet effective infantry support battlemech. As a result we have developed the Mimir as a design to assist and fight alongside infantry. Armed heavily around the versatility of the multi missile launcher, two tons of ammunition in a C.A.S.E. protected bin allows the Mimir to carry a wide variety of ammunition types to deal with virtually any threat. A single ER medium laser gives it some additional ranged punch against hardened targets. Designed especially for city fighting the Mimir carries an extensive detection suite as well as communication package allowing it to coordinate with troops on the ground with flushing out hostile forces. Four jump jets gives it added mobility to assist in its movements around an urban environment and the mech itself is light enough to stand on some buildings a heavier mech would fall through. While the significant amount of electronics does make the cockpit rather spartan inside we believe the advantages it gives outweighs the negatives. Mounting 11 tons of armor the Mimir does offer ample protection against most expected threats and although we have had to cut back on armoring around the actuators which may make it seem like an appealing target for infantry, given its function and it is expected to work alongside infantry of its own we do not consider this a disadvantage.
Stoat STT-2MRole: Skrimsher Weight: 45 tonsBV 803Cost: 3,608,325 C-BillsPositive quirks: Easy to Maintain, low profile, stableNegative Quirks: Exposed Actuators, non standard parts, no cooling jacket (MRM 10)Ovan Motorworks, creators of such fine vehicles such as the Jífēng auto ,zhuǎnyí cycle and the Bōlàng zhe pleasure boat have taken up the duty to aid the Confederation in its time of need. Through the generosity of Lord Hsü, Ovan Motorworks has acquired Retrotech schematics and plans for the age of war Xanthos battlemech. With this knowledge we present our very first battlemech, the Stoat.The Stoat is a low profile, stabled, easy to maintain quad mech capable of reaching speeds up to 86.6 KPH. The Stoat is protected by 9.5 tons of Zhang Dura-steel armor. The Stout carries a Jiàngyǔ 10 MRM and a set of blizefire longshot Extended range medium lasers mounted on a turret. This gives the Stoat unmatched arcs of fire. The stost mounts two forward facingSeries XII Rotary machine guns for anti infantry action.For the low, low price of 3.6 million C-Bills, you can't go wrong.
Fiddler Crab FCB-78Role AmbusherWeight 45 tonsBV 786Cost: 2965250 c-bills+Quirks: low profile-Quirks: exposed actuatorsFTME Fiat-Trabant Meckwerk Enwicktlung, a company best known for its line of rugged tetrapodal forestry mechs, dipped its toes into the world of military designs with the Fiddler Crab. Combining two ubiquitous large laser cores into a blazer cannon gives it a heavy, long range punch, and the installation of jump jets allows for tactical relocation as it cools down between shots, covered by a volley of smoke SRMs.Cooling a weapon like this was always going to be a challenge, so its heat sinks are mounted in the legs to take advantage of tactical water features such as swamps, municipal pools, golf course ponds, and more. For true emergencies, it is has been fitted with a coolant pod to quickly flush the heat sinks.The Fiddler Crab is not just a one-trick armor destroyer. With two tons of SRM ammunition, it offers unparalleled flexibility - such as less lethal options like tear gas for crowd dispersal purposes alongside your favorite lethal options.All this can be yours for less than 3mil c-bills. What are you waiting for, place an order today! FTME recommends that pilots consume a saline solution before operating, and the factory return policy does not cover incidences of pilot heatstroke caused during normal operations.
>>98327531The "We've got a Dragon at home" is pretty funny.
>>98330941More of a Black Friday Deal Dragon.
>>98330941I did briefly consider giving it a sword but I wanted something that could be considered usable rather than a statue.
>>98323598>>98324196Got caught out using the wrong rulebook and thought about omitting this entry but then I had another idea that could salvage this.Warboy WAA-GGHAmbusher40 TonsBad Reputation, No Ejection, System Distracting, Narrow/Low Profile, Poor Life Support, SearchlightBV 5612,886,660 C-billsFrom the design team that brought you the Thruster and would have brought you the Thrustmidget if it didn't keep falling apart, we present you a solution for these desperate times to inflict maximum casualties on the enemy. Able to inflict the equivalent damage of 6 direct Arrow IV strikes to any targets within 30 meters, the Warboy has two simple yet highly effective approaches to warfare. The first is to lay in wait before charging at an enemy head first and explode. The second is to also lay in wait but jump at the enemy, preferably head first and explode. We have stripped back the design to the fundamentals to give it more opportunity to approach its target by presenting a narrower profile, though we have also still retained the searchlight to assist with it blinding opponents as it approaches. As we do not expect the pilots to have a high life expectancy we have stripped down the life support systems and removed the ejection seat as being unneeded weight. Show your enemies the true meaning of Jihad today! Each Warboy also comes with a free bucket of chrome paint and the detonation trigger can also be connected to the head pressure sensor so the machine explodes on a successful headbutt.
>>98330978The Dr. Thunder of Dragons
How long till CGL steals some designs from this thread?
>>98332269We have had some good ones, and some mad ones. Which are often good ones too.I would like to remind folks you are not limited to one entry. So feel free to make a few if inspiration strikes.
>>98332574>you are not limited to one entrybitchin
>>98332574>>98323598You know as much as I like the goofy hunchbacks I do have another idea.Name: Scattershot SCS-001ARole: BrawlerTonage: 100 tonsTop Speed: 32 km/hBV: 1304Cost: 9,325,000 C-billsProducer: General MotorsQuirks: Improved Targeting (short), Hard to Pilot, No ArmsThe Scattershot is General Motors' newest design intended to create a highly flexible battlemech with immense firepower with limited technological options. Beyond its primitive design the Scattershot only uses a single weapon system easing logistics and allowing for relatively easy replacement in the field. Equipped with four Imperator Code Red LB 10-X autocannons and a combined 10 tons of ammunition the Scattershot can deliver a lethal fusilade of firepower, crippling smaller mechs or wiping out entire infantry companies in a single volley. The ammunition is stored in two massive rotating bins where a mech's arms would normally be placed allowing it to reload by simply spinning the rotary magazines until a new clip of ammuntion can be loaded into the guns, spent clips being ejected from the rotary magazine. The magazines are designed to be hot-swappable, being jettisoned and replaced in under ten minutes for a full reload.The Scattershot's targeting system is focused on close range, the mech being ideal for urban combat where it can ambush other battlemechs and wipe them out, or keep back infantry which might threaten it or other mechs with a barrage of cluster shots.
>>98335781>no CASEHoly TACs Batman
>>98336180Don't worry ammo is only in the arms
>>98323598...hmm...I just noticed that this contest doesn't specifically specify that the 'mech has to be a frontline unit rather than a support unit...>Salvager SLV-1>Engineering>50 Tons>Quirks: Easy to Maintain, Improved Life Support, Exposed Actuators, Poor Targeting (Medium)>BV: 669>2,442,750So you need an engineering 'mech, and you need it to do a lot. Do I have a deal for you! This is the Salvager SLV-1. Filled to the brim with engineering equipment, this thing can do everything that it would take multiple models of Jabberwocky to do, but cheaper than any individual one of them!This fine machine even maintains some light weapons systems just in case you crack open something you are salvaging and find some very angry people inside trying to kill you. With enough armor so that even if these individuals have rockets or some other system, you can tank it easily. This with the improved life support means that you can have this work in incredibly dangerous environments without fear of losing your people!And more importantly, get all that juicy salvage from areas that the Word of Blake has rendered...difficult to work within. So with this purchase, you can get your hands on some very fine technology that has been stranded in such places, easily paying for itself!
>>98323598Shadow Hawk SHD-1DRole: SniperWeight: 55 TonsQuirks: Battle Fists, Improved Life Support, Rugged (1 Point), Ubiquitous (Inner Sphere)BV: 1,010Cost: 4,663,123 C-billsWe kind of figured that using primitive components we would struggle to make something that could be competitive in firepower but then it dawned on us, what if we didn't even try? Davionman Industries would like to present a Shadow Hawk, but not any Shadow Hawk, one that has been forgotten to time but now reborn for the modern battlefield using new technology! The upgrades are very simple, the medium laser has been upgraded to an ER model and the AC/5 to a LAC5. The weight savings let us near max out the armor, add CASE, and add an additional jump jet all while maintaining the famously cool running nature of the original. What gives this baby its bite is that this Shadow Hawk takes full advantage of armor-piercing ammunition which means every strike that hits has a good chance to knock out something important. That means you will be able to rip apart any opponent from the inside out! If armor-piercing ammo does not take your fancy well the generous two ton ammo bin gives you a lot of options to decide what ammunition you need for particular job, try keeping a ton of flechette around if you feel like going after some infantry or some precision to deal with fast movers for example. Anything decides to be foolish enough to come into melee well those fists are not for show, punch them where it hurts! Its a classic reborn and you can find parts for this baby anywhere, what is there not to love?
>>98335781>The "Annihilator" at home
>>98336830I've known about the annihilator but found it so ugly I've literally never once looked at its actual equipment and stats. Huh. Actually a pretty cool looking mech in terms of armament.
>>98337440Big guns never tire, and the Anni brings at least four of them!
>>98337440>>98337459Annihilator once you get over the wow factor of four big guns isn't all that great. It has really poor armor for its weight and a grandmother with a walking stick can outflank it. When you get to the 3050s its essentially a joke.
>>98337560Someone clearly doesn't appreciate the Crawling Death
>>98337560>When you get to the 3050s its essentially a joke.a joke with 4 big gunsthen punchline is what those guns hit
>>98337617>a joke with 4 big gunsYep, four chunks of ten is nothing to sneeze at, If you're not a Heavy+ or using Hardened Armor when it gets into range, the Annihilator will live up to it's name!
Those Lb-10Xs are also tank killers. Cluster shot and one of them is highly likely to cripple a vehicle
OP here. We are closed to New designs at this point. I'll post up our options and voting info after supper.
Okay folks, round 3 we haveHumpback HMK-4GHumper HMP-1DZweihander ZHD-1Kneecapper M1S-RYHarry DRT-81Grunklor GRK 1RSensenmann SNM-N-PR32Musketeer MKR-1BSharpshooter SHR-1Spritz SPZ-6NGrand Dragon DRG-1GFMimir MIM-1AStoat STT-2MFiddler Crab FCB-78Warboy WAA-GGHScattershot SCS-001ASalvager SLV-1Shadow Hawk SHD-1DAlso we have a few that are illegal due to a rule change between printings.Humpman 1AThrustmidget THR-M1G3Roughcut RGH-1Warboy WAG-GHSo voting. >>Which is your favorite?>>Which is the most innovative?>>Who is the meth baby this round?>>Which of the 4 oppsy mech is your fav?We will leave voting up until 5 PM EST Monday the 13th.
>>98338068>>Which is your favorite?>>98324655 I'm not going to stop voting for my own design this deep in.>>Which is the most innovative?>>98328856 is probably as cheap as you can get a headcapper, even if it's a bit lean on armor. >>Who is the meth baby this round?>>98335781 Dollar Store Annihilator is a fun enough gimmick, even if those arms give me conniptions.>>Which of the 4 oppsy mech is your fav?>>98324196 This is a waste of 4 million C-Bills and a perfectly good ECM, plus a pilot I guess. orks orks orks orks
>>98338068Just a heads up the Humpback HMK-4G is also an illegal design. I thought I'd own up as I was looking at the wrong rulebook. I am annoyed about that because if I had known I think I could have done something much funnier with the weight savings of commercial armor.Salvager SLV-1 by extension also becomes illegal which annoys me cause I quite like what anon was trying to accomplish here even if I am not a fan of his end result.With that out the way.>Which is your favorite?>>98324014Humper HMP-1DI just like how simple yet effective it is. Basically it is just the retrotech Hunchback. If it was using the playtest rules this anon could have squeezed way more out of it.>Which is the most innovative?>>98328856Fiddler Crab FCB-78. I just like its approach to warfare. It knows it won't win a stand up fight so its a mobile ambusher and does take heavy advantage of smoke rounds. Its basically the concept of fight smarter not harder.>Who is the meth baby this round?>>98335781Scattershot SCS-001AIts so derpy and I love everything about it. Someone has been using the thin line between genius and madness as a skipping rope again, yet it is something that could be usable and a great area denial weapon.>Which of the 4 oppsy mech is your fav?>>98323751Humpman 1A as I won't vote for something I made myself but I just like the idea that people are trying to cash in on the desperate need for equipment using the Hunchback name and scamming people in the process.Few honorable mentions cause there were some that were painful to exclude, this was a tightly fought list.MKR-1B Musketeer for being "The Rifleman at home"Zweihander ZHD-1 as someone finally put a sword on a Swordsman even if all it can do is wave it angrily in the air at enemies because its too slow to get close to them. It can be fine as a riot control mech but fucking hell its a walking bomb.Harry DRT-81 I kind of like where anon was going with this, kek'd at the lore of the mech as well.
>>98338113>waste of pilotDepends what you choose to use it on.
>>98339174>Salvager SLV-1 by extension also becomes illegalCheck again. Salvager isn't a Primitive Industrialmech frame. It's Primitive Battlemech, even if its mounting a bunch of industrial equipment.
>>98339536I stand corrected. I can't read.
As an aside for an idea for the next challenge I think a C3 master-using command mech could be a fun idea. There's so few mechs that use them.
>>>Which is your favorite?Grunklor GRK 1R is one that looks like it could genuinely win a fight. it's basic, it does what a lot of jihad era primitives did and loads up on rockets. it can move enough, take a little bit of a hit. >>>Which is the most innovative?Salvager SLV-1 looks like something that'd turn up in a TRO as one of those odd filler mech designs reverse engineered from some weird Dark Age thing and I kinda like it. is it a good combat mech? no but I like it as a utility thing.>>>Who is the meth baby this round?Fiddler Crab FCB-78 good attempt at using a blazer and a quad to try something weird>>>Which of the 4 oppsy mech is your fav?Humpman 1A i'm a basic bitch hunchback lover and a swayback with a hppc is a good enough fill-in.I want to give an honourable mention to the Shadow Hawk SHD-1D as a decent attempt to fix the primitive Shadow Hawk. Still only two 5 point damage weapons sucks but at least it's a vaguely mobile brick.
>>98339606Do you mean like running two C3 Masters so they can coordinate an entire C3 Company? If so that might be a good challenge especially for Clan Invasion era as there's only two mechs I can think of that actually do that, the Sunder and Tai-Sho. There's a handful that can do it in later eras but for 3050 really should be a mech that does it. Might have to wait for a new thread to do that challenge though as at bump limit now.
>>98339761I just meant a single C3 but a company or battalion command mech would be a more interesting idea.
>>98339761OP here, yeah after the vote we are gonna get a new thread. But while we wait the votes.Suggestions for challenges?
>>98340025We haven't really had room to do anything with the Clans outside of strapping a cERPPC onto something, I'd be up for that. I'd also like a Best Narrative category for voting to encourage people to give their submissions more background.
>>983400253051 C3 company/battalion command lance is currently my favourite idea. Another option is to fill out other mech categories that don't have many options eg. ultra light mechs, quadvees, or LAMs.
>>98340060For clans what about something like making an IIC variant of a Star League era mech that has no IIC variant. Tech period golden century?
>>98340025Aside from anons have suggested just recently, the only other things I can come up with is design a better 3L Raven contest using 3050 tech and maybe if we hadn't just done a Primitive design challenge, the Age of War Heavy/Assault mech challenge where primitive is unrestricted but standard tech has a minimum engine rating to still make primitive competitive as a choice.
>>98340025The Salvager anon also gave me an idea, combat engineering mech!
>>98340060The Clans already have good platforms for a lot of their best weapons, like the H*llstar. Maybe building something around one of the weirder and crappier Clan weapons.
>>98340077IIC-ing a notorious shitbox chassis could be fun.
>>98340134I think a Charger IIC would be fun, maybe make limits like you can't change a mech's role so you can't just make a Charger IIC a 5 ton lighter Victor or an Assassin IIC something completely different outside of its weird bug zapper role.
>>98340060Best narrative vote is a killer idea! Consider it done moving forward.So farSomething with the clans3051C3 company/command mechUltralights, quadvess and LamsIIC golden age mechBetter Raven 3L contest Age of war heavy or assault Have to say I am loving the C3 and clan IIC challenge.Humm maybe even an IS Omni mech and Ilkhan era clan design challenge
>>98276420I'd rename it to a Roach or Silverfish.
>>98340144Charger IIC already exists. Its the Phoenix Hawk IIC unironically. For memes the Charger IIC should be the same weight as a Phoenix Hawk.
>>98340153Could make a strawpoll. Say once this hits page 5 or 6 set up a poll with all given options. I gotta say shitbox IIC might be my favourite idea.
>>98340185That is an excellent idea as well. I am starting a list. I was just making them up, but I love the idea of community involvement. So keep those ideas coming and we'll do a poll as we wait out the votes.
Got another idea. What about police mechs? As in mechs designed more for riot control and keeping the peace more than frontline combat?
>>98341071Marshall 3MC, my beloved piece of shit...
>>98338068>Which is your favorite?>>98328597 The Mimir seems like a solid trooper>Which is the most innovative?>>98336326 I thought the Salvager was conceptually quite clever and fits the Mad Max aesthetic>Who is the meth baby this round?>>98324901 Dirty Harry bets everything on getting the head location result>Which of the 4 oppsy mech is your fav?>>98324196 WITNESSED
>>98341071>Light mech with a shield, tear gas SRMs, and a mace for... um... uh... uh... hitting rioters!
>>98341279I feel like police mechs would be more like highway patrol for catching people doing illegal things with industrial mechs than "suppressing" riots.
>>98341298Most security mechs lean more towards riot police than police interceptors with a medium pulse laser.
Running tab on ideasSomething with the clans3051C3 company/command mechUltralights, quadvess and LamsIIC golden age mechBetter Raven 3L contestAge of war heavy or assaultIS OmniIlkhan era clan designPolice mech
>>98341415I think the police interceptor version of security mechs that are there to stop people from having a killdozer moment or chasing down stolen industrialmechs in a way that minimizes collateral damage and damage to the machine but before Mech Tasers are available is interesting. Maybe not for the next challenge
>>Which is your favorite?I have to go with the Stoat STT-2M. It's mine but damn I love the little guy.>>Which is the most innovative?I did not see a salvage mech coming. So gotta give it to the Salvager SLV-1>>Who is the meth baby this round?It's gotta be the Warboy WAA-GGH for me.>>Which of the 4 oppsy mech is your fav?Have to go with the Roughcut RGH-1, I just like it
>>98341502Throwing my hat in the ring for IIC idea.
>>98341071>excuse me sir, but was it a good idea to paint these leftover capellan vindicators blue and then hand them to the local police force?>i understand the importance of intimidation, but we are getting complaints from the citizens that leaving 3m wide craters in the street from PPC fire being used to stop petty shop lifters costs more money than what the thieves stole>even the small laser is only small by battlefield standards, there has been a surge in eye surgeries in the past week alone from people looking into the beam flash from constant laser fire>a 50-ton medium mech being used to stand guard on street corners is also a common complaint, as the roads were only rated for 10-ton hauler trucks>the police themselves are filing complaints, requesting that these mechs be returned and replaced with either more battle armor or lighter 20-ton security mechs
>>98342147The interesting thing is that you're actually incredibly limited if you follow space law, where you are either 2t of guns and 35t, or 9t of guns and 50t for corporate security, on an industrial chassis. Especially before they give an exemption for mech tasers.
>>98342532They don't have to be good at fighting 'Mechs, that's what the army's for. They just have to scare the shit out of rioters, kill determined foot-mobiles, and disable light vehicles, with bonus points if you have a searchlight or multiple missile bins so you can play with levels of force between "look scary" and "Tienanmen". If your host government is willing to let your corporate rivals walk BattleMechs into your front yard, they're not going to mind if you get some real shit of your own as well, but you really should have picked a better planet in the first place.
Let us go ahead and vote on the next challenge as we are past the bump limit and on page 8. Hoping to finish out challenge 3 votes on this thread though.
>>98341502LAMs, Quadvees, and Protomechs are all things with very few examples of canon sheets, so could be good to run competitons for.Could also do a Nebula California one where people try to recreate other properties Mechs using Battletech construction rules, with the descriptors being Interstellar Expeditions notes on them/their world of origin.
>>98342532>The interesting thing is that you're actually incredibly limited if you follow space law, where you are either 2t of guns and 35t, or 9t of guns and 50t for corporate securit>TFW you live in the commiepellan confederation and you only have acccess to cuckmechs
>>98342800I'm down for either one of these. Police 'Mechs sound exciting, but I think the design space is just too constrained to be interesting in practice.
>>98342147>Policemech Academy: Urbanmechs on Patrol dealing with the equivalent of the Tackleberry character
https://suptg.thisisnotatrueending.com/archive/2026/98263505/Archive is liv.
>>98342829After checking what tech is available in the Republic era I think that could be a very interesting setting and a fair few options to be inventive. Design police mechs for when the Republic was a thing but Dark Age had yet to happen.
Okay folks voting is closed. We will do a vote on what the next challenge will be. When this thread archives or 2pm EST tomorrow happens I'll make the new thread with a challenge based off the winning votes.I'll post up results of challenge 3 in a bit
We didn't get as many votes this time but did get some great entries. And the winners are>>Favorite No winner but a 5 way tieZweihander ZHD-1, Humper HMP-1D, Grunklor GRK 1R, Mimir MIM-1A,Stoat STT-2M>>Most innovative Salvager SLV-1>>Meth babyScattershot SCS-001A>> Oppsy Mech Tie between Warboy WAG-GH and Humpman 1AOur top 5---3 votes--Fiddler Crab FCB-78Salvager SLV-1-- 2 votes--Scattershot SCS-001AWarboy WAG-GHHumpman 1A
I vote for the IIC design challenge
