Bulking season Edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98263445>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:What do you think of the new ogres (and StD alternate sculpts)?
>>98269214>TQboth are awesome
>>98269214I do wish we had a gun for the Tyrant, even as a one off option for a Big Name like an eccentric foreign influenced Maneater. No bellower is a downgrade too.
>>98267526Tow has lost the Mandate of Heaven. AoS reclaims its place as Tianzi and is granted dominion of All under Heaven once more. Most harmonious.
>Std alternate sculpts Seriously, what’s even the point of AoS if TOW is gonna keep releasing the same models for different games with one being vastly superior and cheaper than the other?? Why the fuck are they making their own departments compete with each other? Is it greed? Incompetence? Ego? Company Politics? Why kill a setting, revamp it back to make it copyright-able, then end up bringing it back less than a decade later? Is the existence of TOW purely just a huge spiteful middle finger to Conquest? Are they that desperate and hellbent to nip other games in the bud before they gains a foothold? Do they not expect us to buy round bases from China? Are they targeting the “do I need to use Warhammer paints for my models or can I use another brand” crowd? Do they expect us to buy two sets of chaos warriors because the box label says one is for AoS and the other is TOW? I know eventually we’re gonna get new blood reavers, but sorry AoS team I already bought some TOW chaos marauders and I just base coated them all red.
>>98269214The tyrant has a menacing pose but he should look more boss-y. He really needs a fancy horned helmet or a banner instead of the metal maw.
>>98269247I don't consider this chaos release superior, the warriors look almost identical to the chosen we already have. Its going to 50 years before they refresh everything in tow at this rate. I'd argue their focusing on things with existing overlap right now given the breadth of the work they need to do is the bizarre thing. They obviously don't give a shit about having 10 different competing games in production at once. More plastic more money is just the idea apparently.
>>98269247Here's my understanding of events>Kill off fantasy, because for a lot of complex reasons, it as a whole sells less than your paints>Because fantasy is dead you (GW) don't care about its IP as much and let a bunch of game devs use it for their games>Vermintide 1 & 2 and Total War Warhammer sell fucking gangbusters>souless corperate bean counters see the huge amount of money from the old dead fantasy IP and plot to bring it back with different sale techniquesAlso GW has a silo system internally. So Old World team and model sales compete with AoS team and sales and 40k team and sales. GW WANTS old world and AoS to have different Warriors of chaos kits so the bean counters know exactly how many kits for which game system is being sold
>>98269214>>98269247>Towfags be like "yo those models are fire!!!"You can stop lieing to yourself and us, nobody will play your shit sidegame
>>98269244>I do wish we had a gun for the TyrantMore reason to buy Blackpowder from UW
>>98269214>>98269244What's up with the new ogre helmets anyways? I don't hate em per se but they feel like they'd get in the way of eating, which seems wrong for an ogre.
>>98269276Aren't they just an exaggeration of the older helmets that the Iron Guts currently use?Also, looking through the current range, it seems like they have stopped selling that new Tyrant model
>>98269214>TQOgres look pretty solid, they're half a head taller than current plastic sculpts, but my converted ones are still half a head taller than these new ones. The cleavers and butcher look phenomenal. However I must admit they still seem to have stumpy legs, too short for their midsection, but I could be seeing it wrong due to the extra baggy pants.Chaos warriors are pure nostalgia cream, harkening back to 5th edition chaos warriors, which I respect.
I am humbly asking for Tzeentch and Khorne tomes 4ed?Please?
>>98269214>TQI miss the mail aventails on the old ironguts, but these new ones are superior on a technical level. Maybe a bit too fat though.
>>98269276The design of such a helmet would normally be to protect the head from a blow from above by a mounted cavalry man, something a 9'1 ogre wouldn't worry about. Maybe it came from fighting giants.
>>98269264I know I don’t have to prove anything to another resident schizo but it’s low hanging fruit to post this pic I had pretty recent in my filesHere’s my TOW model I glued to a plastic base to use as a rot sword/pestigor proxy
>>98269303>"those models look like temu shit">well i actually use *compelatly different model* bet you feel dumb now chud!
>>98269264I mean I prefer the aos ones but that's a bit harsh.
>>98269214>>Thread question:>What do you think of the new ogres (and StD alternate sculpts)?9/10 all 'round it's not 10/10 because I think the maulbeasts are a bit generic, but even those have a subtle affinity with the stonehorn/thundertusk designs and with the taotie stuff, so I can't be that iffy about them
>>98269247The TOW CW models are worse than the AoS ones, though.
>>98269276More exaggerated version of the older ironguts design. The long ones seem to also have a tusk motif going on, possibly in reference to the thundertusks.>>98269327Oh yeah now that you mention it. Still not entirely sold on the maulerbeasts, but maybe with some greenstuff fur or whatnot they could look pretty cool. The riders are nice.
>>98269310Huh? What are you talking about? Did you ever read what I wrote?
It only took Ogors 11 years, but they finally have a main game named character about to releas
>>98269339Here's the "tusk motif" I was talking about
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>>98269355Back to discord 3rd world child
>>98269247>Seriously, what’s even the point of AoS if TOW is gonna keep releasing the same modelsSo AoS can be free of differentiating theirs>>98269339>but maybe with some greenstuff fur or whatnotfunnily, I was thinking about the complete opposite, pushing a more reptilian or less natural scheme like jade/stone or almost demonic flesh
>>98269276They're like jaws
Not sure if anyone noticed but the Deathclaw guys have 2 different units, rather than builild options for the same thing. Granted you can mix things as its 1 kit
>>98269264TOW is a GW game with AoS sculptors...
>>98269214>TQNot Kurnothi. Do not care.
>>98269355of course there's no african ogres lmao
>>98269380Kelthannor has dreads and that has ruined my hopes
>>98269377I really like the look of the Hunter variation, I'm just not expecting them to be good. GW very rarely does skirmish cav justice.
>>98269386God forbid white boi has a little swag
>>98269339Exactly that, the tyrant is a good example of where this started
>>98269399The exaggeration I mean not the helmets' origins
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>>98269247its some top down corporate move from suits who have never held a miniature or played their own game. businessmen who just see pounds and pence. as far as everything i've ever heard on it, the reason for the divorce was that it was difficult for their accountants to tell which boxes were actually selling for their respective IPs versus use in the other games so it made it hard for them to guage sales numbers internally for specific brands on their own.incredibly short sighted bean counting nonsense that has nothing of the players, designers, or the game in mind, it is purely for supposed financial clarity
>>98269410interesting that it's a sort of rough hand forged aesthetic for the helms when that's Ironjawz thing (and Ogors were more advanced prior)
>>98269412kinda intersting that Custodes are the exception that demons used to be between HH and 40k now
>>98269399personally i dont see much of the new design language in this guy. i think the new ogres probably have the kruleboyz sculptor, i see a lot of similarity with the new kruleboyz, especiaally all the skin textures.
>>98269416no idea what the story is there, but they already went out of their way to separate out all of the HH vehicles space marines and imperials were using from 40k right when all the new plastic kits started coming out and they were set up to make absolute gangbusters selling leviathan dreads to infinite space marine players, but decided against it
>>98269419>personally i dont see much of the new design language in this guy.That's probably why he's been discontinued, like the Wight King on horse was
>>98269419Really just the gutplate straps, trophies on the back, and the jaw imagery on the helmet Aside from the classic moustache, boots, etc
>>98269413the lack of chainmail on the new guys is kind of a bummer. it was one of the things i liked about the old ogre designs
>>98269419>think the new ogres probably have the kruleboyz sculptorI see it
This guy looks even weirder now
>>98269428I'm always a fan of mail. Still, it fits the new Ogors leaning more into asian influences.
>>98269429i think its really apparent when you look at this guynot just the leathery creature skin textures, but also the curvy battered texture and shape of the armor plates, has a similar vibe to me.
>>98269441>>98269429the ragers greatswords also have some similar shaping to the new cleavers the ogres are using, minus the teeth and a bit smoother
>>98269435The truel peak of weridness is that eh has Cold One trophy. Cold Ones were retconed out of existance
>>98269447He killed all the cold ones, frost sabres, and Wanderer's deers
Surprised they didn't add any Ogre foids
>>98269469They did.
I actually like the 2019 start collecting ones the most surprisinglyit's also funny how they've become lighter and lighter each iteration
>>98269474Besides the paintjob, what exactly is the difference between 2019 and 2023, design wise? None of their poses is super unique, and unable to rebuild with the 23 kit.
>>98269471Which ones are female?
>>98269492I don't think there's any difference truth be told, I just like the scheme more
>>98269492>Besides the paintjob, what exactly is the difference between 2019 and 2023, design wise?Nothing. The 2023 version is just the start collecting models with an upgrade sprue thrown in to give them halberds and a banner/musician.
>>98269474Nu Chaos warriors are the pinnacle of "Boy I hope you like trim and spikes"
>>98269495The one in the 3 man butcher kit that randomly has something underneath to cover her nipples while other 2 show them off
>>98269244I've played with Ogors extensively in 2e and my Tyrant had killed a grand total of 2 Stormcasts with the pistol
>>98269500Just wanted to add that, its the 40k trim, and the shields look like doors, hope ToWers like them, but its just not for me
So Gluttons are now in groups of 5?
>>98269293Khorne is available on scribd
>>98269501Oh yeahAny others?
>>98269419That explains why I don't like them. They really are the Ogor version of Kruleboyz with similarly weird proportions that don't fit classic ogres/orcs and imo Warhammer in general. I suppose the new gluttons and ironguts aren't awful but the new butcher and the cleavers/gutseers are really where the tiny head+huge belly starts to bother meI'm glad others are happy with the update but I don't see myself collecting these. Might get rid of my ogres depending on how many of them get squatted without a good counts as
Weird the retconned Butchers abandoning their gut plate to get closer to Gulping God
>>98269503>It's good we don't have the option for a pistol because... MUH COMPETITIVE RESULTS man, it'd just be fun? I like Ogors with guns, I liked the old big name and artefact combo that'd buff it. No shame in having a fun option
>>98269214ogors are fine and are still probably one of the easier armies to paint for a new person. I think redd is lacking because they were still aiming for that, but its not something that makes him bad necessarily. Just underwhelming. as for nu chaos, eh.......................I like the weapons Ill give them that. I dont really like the lords, or the aspiring champions. dragons fine if not a little skinny and kind of stuck in a shitty pose ( I think Ionus is still a better dragon all around with its thickness and pose). as for the cav and the infantry, Ill say again I like the weapons. But man they are a fucking visual mess, Which fair if you want that from chaos, but I dont think thats something I personally want to paint. I just hope if the rumors about 5th edition std are true, the sculptor for warriors of chaos stays the fuck away from slaves to darkness.
>>98269511Tzeentch battletome?
I like the new scars, showing how blubbery they are
>>98269499No they're not, they're wholly different sprues.It's the chaos knights where they just chucked in an upgrade sprue to the 2019 kit.
worried about a lack of decorative bits tbhon hopefully they're very interchangeable as far as heads and arms go, like Armageddon orks and the other new orks
>>98269519the CoS ogor guys don't have gut plates anymore, so I think they just made Gut plates a purely Gulping god thing, not a defence against the weirdness of Ogor biology
>>98269538I mean that is where their platform rests and the shield is very centred. I don't recall it ever being brought up in the novella about a warhulk
>>98269537>worried about a lack of decorative bits tbhonThey feel like a blank enough canvass that if you have any leftover bits from any kit you can just slap it on them. Not sure what would be fitting on them besides something like more skulls though.
>tyrant>gluttons>ironguts>maulbeast cavalry (melee)>maulbeast rangers (ranged)>redd the maw>butcher hero>cleavers>gutseersHow would you rank em? That's split among 7 kits so far, and I think we're expecting at least 3 more right (crossbow hunters, mounted tyrant, female maneater character)? For me the ironguts have been the standout, love em. Especially this guy.
>>98269546hooks, meat, sacks, etc basically the old ogre bits that'd only remain with the Stonehorn kit
I think I'll just slap Mournfang heads on the new beasts and sculpt a little more fur
Even when they do everything right, ogors are still kinda boring as a faction
>>98269592>can’t have shit in ghur
>>98269214This may be slightly controversial but the chaos dragon was kind of a letdown to me.To be fair I think gw has never done dragon particularly well (the stormcast ones are awful for example) but the recent gravelord one was actually really fucking good so my expectation were heightened.
>>98269608It's got the trademark Forge World noisyness that makes it a clusterfuck to look at. Compare scale texture between it and the closest thing to a recent chaos drago we got.
>>98269608I genuinely don't get your pet peeve here
The new WoC lookss amazing boyosWoC or Soulsblight Gravelords...hmm.....
>>98269626not him but >posings kinda really bad>wings are bad>dragon heads are boring and read more as the khorne dogs>riders are fucking awful, the sorcerer especially The "torso" is also kinda weird from what I can see. It also just looks really fragile. Also werent two headed chaos dragons just something that made that one named dragon special? Why are they all two headed now?
>>98269644>The "torso" is also kinda weird from what I can see.It's too big in relation to the other features
>>98269620Well, that's easily fixed then: just don't put so much contrast into that stuff when you paint it. You know, chill a bit on highlighting all the scales, wing veins, etc, and use more similar colours for the scale and skin sections.
>>98269553>maulbeast rangers (ranged)>gutseers>ironguts>redd the maw>butcher hero>maulbeast cavalry (melee)>gluttons>cleavers>tyrantOrder for me
what terrain piece is the one thats staying again
>new orge males look like the guys that suplex me in judo>new orge females looks like my mother
>>98269670reportedly the sarlac
>>98269670I think leakers said the pit
>>98269680Man....I prefered the pot. oh well, I guess the forbidden onahole is fine too.
>>98269644>Also werent two headed chaos dragons just something that made that one named dragon special? Why are they all two headed now?No, all conventional chaos dragons have always been two headed, it's just that galrauch was said to be the first and/or the father of all such two headed chaos dragons.
>>98269685to be fair they just put the pot on wheels
>>98269679GW is gangstalking you
This dude really shoul've been on an ovalidk what the fuck his little lackeys are doing there
>>98269702Defending himIt should've been a mobile terrain piece - give him a separate base that can stand on it like the mawpit. Have him collect food before using it
I do wish we got more fur pelts, tiger stripped stuffit's a bit weird to double down on BCR style pelts when they squatted everything that actually had furry hides? Stonehorns are obviously going eventually
>>98269702he should have had some ogors pushing from the back too imo
>>98269702Agree. They should have at least made the platform thing bigger if they wnted to make it wide.
>>98269719yeah one gorger carrying the whole thing is a bit comicalI get they're strong lads and all, but still
>>98269718CRACKPOT THEORYOgor designer doesn't like how the furr texture looks in the current CAD program, so he opted to avoid furrs in the designs. That's why Mournfang Ice Age rejects got replaced by lizard monsters
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>>98269740When the paint scheme is kinda dull with a black background it does make the retarded bits of mournfang look null.
>>98269733based retard>>98269736
>>98269702Weird but you can just play him as that and use his two bitches as individual Butchers
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>>98269750I expect this tobe the norm. Decorated base + free foot heores
Man I just wanna see the rest of the range. That one hint of a new saber cat is making me restless.
>>98269769What hint? They clearly showed the Gluthorn Rhino's foot
>>98269772In some new artwork you see a tiger lunging at something
>>98269772>hey clearly showed the Gluthorn Rhino's footThey clearly showed the full thing
Is the Ironblaster staying?
>>98269772>>98269775hereapparently frostsabres are going to be part of the new hunter kit, like how some of the new 40k space wolf marines have wolves in their unit
>>98269702Should've just remade skrag
>>98269794iirc boole said they were safe for now
I feel like Underguts will return more distinctly given how unique their fluff was, then we'll have a gunpowder centric branch
>>98269608Like most ToW/Fantasy stuff, its just played very straight, yep its a dragon, it has two heads, nothing to add really.To me personally i also rpefer the early AoS blocky geometric shapes they used for beasts like that, see Korghorat and Archie
>>98269620it's supposed to be mutated but no, FW was messy because they used to be physically sculpted so textures were a bit obligatory from natural exploration of tools and there's no reason not to whereas plastic usually demands a simplified surface for mould separation - resin accommodates undercuts readily, so why not have skull pimples or the Troll Hags eye as a separate bead
>>98269820As per the TGA rumors.Theres a schism between the maw guys and maneaters who are joined by the leadbelchers, Beastclaws just think both of them are retarded.The Maneater update is supposed to come later with the lady maneater with a cannon for a hand.I think its safe to assume that Leadbelchers are being rebranded as a ranged version of Maneaters rather than normal ogres, and will come either as a separate unit when they get a refresh, or as a specialist 1/3 maneaters model
>>98269608this is clearly scrapped malerion asset reworked as a chaos dragon ;___; it was behind the rock
>>98269824it's a very faithful remake of the older chaos dragon all things considered, maybe a bit bulkier especially around the "chest"
I really liked the update for the ogres, hoping they get a lot of cool new beasts for the range. When can we expect the new models to release?
>>98269843Very soon, because it's an isolated FOMO thing not a full release and 40k will dominate the schedule so something like that is preferable Ogors in July Full release maybe September
>>98269843I just don't understand what they were think with this goofy ass deathclaw pitbulls
>>98269495>>98269516pointed out in the last thread. These ones look like they could be.
>>98269245A specialist game getting 3k less views than a mainline one is kinda based. It's like an Indie movie made on a shoestring budget (Obsession) making almost as much domestically as a random Marvel movie.
Looks like they'd fit well enough, hopefully the saddle and legs aren't part of the beast
>>98269782compared to the stonehorn or the thundertusk, this droopy, non-furred retard looks boring
>>98269702I agree, but then again if it's got an aura an oval base would have made people place the shit sideways.
>>98269874Convergent evolution. The Shitbull is the peak form for Ghur
>>98269843last year's summer preview (which was in july) showed helsmiths which ended up coming to the game in september with the army set, and then november for the rest of the release.following that logic we'll get them anywhere between late august/mid october.
>>98269261>the warriors look almost identical to the chosen we already have.They makes the TOW box the superior buy since its gonna be much cheaper per model than the AoS box.
>>98269852helps if i remember the picture
>>98269843TOW leakers are speculating preorder on Sunday, so could be as early as two weeks from now for Ogors.
>>98269888I think I've seen women with this exact bodytype and face.Always slavs.
>>98269891no fucking way these guys are coming in two weeks, they still have half their range left to reveal.
>>98269604Well why do you think the realms original name was Ni-ghur?
>>98269899Similar to Latinas slav women are either thin and curvy supermodels or bloated meat sacks resembling Great Unclean Ones.>>98269900The box is definitely coming soon, they always like to get them out the door to capitalize on the hype.
>>98269874You can probably add some greenstuff globs to the horn and paint it as if it'sgilded and covered in gemstones
>>98269912soulblight box was shown off in january and we had to wait till april, helsmith box was shown in july and we had to wait till septemberI mean we don't have anything else in the pipeline anymore so I could see it coming somewhat quicker than expected, but two weeks I very much doubt
I feel like they’re gonna stop these shows and just do Monday reveals exclusively.
>>98269942Why? Not like it costs them much
Why the fuck did they randomly split the reveal in half anyway?
>>98269702Agreed, as it is there's too much wasted space to fill out. Either make the base smaller or make the pot bigger. Another gorger would be good too, feels weird to only have one pulling it along.
ANYONE?Please share Tzeentch tome 4ed and you shall have long and joyous life!
>>98269971The ogre one? They kinda do that for some armies, they did it for seraphon too.
>>98269293>>98269981sorry for the wait, here's BoK and DoT:https://gofile.io/d/tMuj3j
How much will this Ogre Army Set cost? I never see anyone at my GW play AoS and the store owner told me the last time he seen someone play it was a month and a half ago. So I shouldn't worry about that box selling like hot cakes, right? Because I remember Iron Warriors and the Defiler just selling so fast on day 1 that he only had 1 Combat Patrol of the Iron Warriors left for a couple of days before someone bought the last one.
What rumour engines do we have left? Lots solved by chaos and ogres obviously, and I think the one feather thing we thought might be seraphon ended up being exodites.I know that fuckass buzzsaw is still around
How am I gonna paint the eyes on these guys if they're so fucking tiny. I remember trying to paint eyes for the first time on my first Kill Team. I got some eye balls right and the rest had a big ass white dot over the entire eye and some of the face.
>>98270026Wasn't the buzzsaw the Ork Trukk?
>>98270026I was just compiling them
When Leadbelcher and Firebelly release date? Also, what are the odds that no one is gonna use the female version of the nameless Ogre leader units over the male version?
>>98270033keep them white like a shark when it bites
>>98270021If they're doing the helsmiths thing where the army set is really just a spearhead + battletome (which seems likely) we can expect it to be priced around the same, I believe the helsmiths thing was like €155? Which should be around 195 usd.Ogres are like a medium popular army, and the refresh seems to have a positive reception, but if aos isn't super popular at your lgs I don't think you'll have to worry much.Sidenote, but they'll like release a separate spearhead box a few months after. If you don't care about the battletome it'll save you a decent chunk if you're willing to wait a bit longer.
>>98269412>>98269261>More plastic more money is just the idea apparently.GW has always been a model company, not a game company. Their earliest releases were models for other companies' games. Their own games only exist to move plastic. That's why they e.g. acquired Talisman and replaced the standees with plastic figures: because they don't give a shit what game you're playing as long as the plastic sells.It's very similar to Topps acquiring BattleTech and immediately pushing an alternate game mode based on mech cards instead of sheets, and also pushing pilot cards, and also releasing a BattleTech card game.
I like that the Tyrant has the alternate build for the Beastclaw raiders (which I hope they do more with) but he's really missing a helmet or a headdress or something
So the TGA post this was for TOW right?>We're not really sure what this is about, but we really like Chaos models — would love to see more new Chaos models >Like Chaos Warriors with hand weapon+shield loadout (yeah, all battle axes) >And Chaos Knights — they could also use lance+shield combos >And Chaos Aspiring Champion — a Battle Standard with a Daemonic Mount would definitely suit the battle axes they're swinging >Oh, and also Chaos Dragon, Manticore, Chaos Gargant, Chaos Warshrine — they're great too they're some missing models like most of the monsters but i guess that for another revealI don't really care for the chaos warrior, i like the AOS version better than the one they reveal but i kind of want more of the Dragon, Manticore, Gargant and Warshrine. The S2D feel lacking in monster despite getting the Ogorids
>>98270103>Manticore, Chaos Gargant, Chaos WarshrineAt the very least it would explain why they haven't brought back the warshrine once that got dropped from aos.
>>98270103monsters are still in a bit of a toss up. Could be either way. 40-60 chance on them being for aos or tow. Who knows when the end of edition campaign will start and bring.
>>98270050Isn't the female version supposed to be named? Either way idgaf about named characters so I shan't be running her.>>98270103I guess it's still possible that some of the monsters are for aos but that would strike me as exceedingly unlikely
So are they just going to quietly drop the gnoblars now?
>>98270137No, there will be a 30 minut short film of all of them being brutally killed
>>98270153I wonder what the fluff excuse will be this time. Maybe they simply just ate em all.I don't know if many people out there ran a substantial number of gnoblars but that's gotta hurt
>>98270170Weren't they in some retarded impass where they were unit of 20 with 16 in a box?
>>98270174Yeah and the Gluttons and Ironguts (and I think Leadbelchers) came with 4 - 6 in a box tooVery strange and I won't miss them if they're going
>>98269399>>98269244The new helmets being a single piece of metal instead of having multiple bolted-together parts really looks unappealing to me
>>98270040That spider head is just an internal joke at this point right?
>>98269520I love the new ogres but yeah I wish they still had guns. Cannon ogres are just objectively the coolest thing ever
>>98270192Yeah agreed, only part of the refresh I outright dislike>>98270241You can see gunpowder being mentioned in one of the warscrolls, so we'll get at least one gun when the second part of the reveal comes.
>>98270252Oh thank god. Can you post a screenshot?
>>98270264This might be the rumoured maneater character
Do we have any thoughts on warhammer academy?
>>98269977Add another gorger and put the bodyguards on smalll ledges on the pot like the maw grunta. No way in hell a gorger can pull all tha metal plus the fat fuck on top plus the soup. >>98269888I don’t like the metal flanges on the gut plate that cover the thighs. The plates themselves are also a little bit too big.The iron guts look cool though, like samurai
Why does nobody ever talk about Seraphon needing a refresh? I get that Fyreslayers / Ogors need it more, but besides frogs, warriors, and the aggradon, and the astrolith, their kits are extremely old and dated. And yet all they will get is probably some pity hero.
>>98270309I don't even know what that is.Are they teachign kids to play or something?
>>98270302I fucking hate kragnos
>>98270354>Why does nobody ever talk about Seraphon needing a refresh?Cause most of the kits they have are from after-Covid?
>>98270354Because they already got a big one, the "old" models aren't actually that old, and the genuinely old models have aged like wine except for the guards.
>>98269214>TQOgres are spectacular and I will actually buy an army box. My only complaint is they didn't announce Leadbelchers as well.
>>98270357They hate us cause they're anus
>>98270354Are the Seraphon popular?
>>98270302It's the raiders from the sounds of it
>>98270040missing this guy
>>98270372yes, they're the most popular army after stormcast / skaven.
>>98270376So that wasn't an exodite after all?
>>98270354>extremely old and datedEh, only really goes for saurus guard, skinks, and maybe the stegadon. And honestly even then skinks and the stego are passable.Most of their other whfb leftover stuff is of very high quality. Like the skink starseer or carnosaur hold up totally fine.Could they use some attention? Yes, and they absolutely will. They're a top 5 army, nobody is really worried about them languishing like with fyreslayers or idoneth cause we know gw will get to it sooner rather than later. Hell, I've heard rumblings of a big end of edition focus.>>98270376Nah that's one of the new exodite pets
>>98270387>>98270395Hmm I guess it is the little dudes. Thought it wasn't because the big riders just have basic tails.
>>98270401Yeah I didn't even notice these guys were a thing until I checked warcom again earlier
>>98270040Top right is Alpha Legion so not AoS. Bottom left I can't really tell - I see a female hand holding a dead cities unit.
when you think we will see something about Kazhalid Holds?
>>98270447Not long after the Fyreslayers are sold out online
>>98270446Bottom is probably the Ogor maneater that they didn't show.
>>98270417These fuckers are so ugly
>>98270447New year preview.From now until then it's all ogres.
>>98270542I think the heads were added to a body not meant for them
>>98270542If you told me they were sculpts from 2003 or something I'd believe you
I can see it now what friends talked about some of them not liking the ogor minis.>HelmetsSlabs of bended iron and steel, not looted>The "A pose" on the gluttonsSome anons said here that they look just a bit more "moving", yeah i can see that, but the pose feels more forced(?) if i could say that>Tyrant less imposingComparing tyrants with their armor, appearance or anything, i feel that this mini looks more like a champion of gluttons than a tyrant themselves>Other minisYeah i liked them, butchers look really cool, will miss the ironguts full face armor but these ones have more pose
>>98270639Truth be told I'm probably gonna pick up the new box and see how well mixing old and new bits work for gluttons. I did the same shit for my deathrattles, I have like 20 fantasy ones, 10 cursed city, and 10 of the shitty ones and I've kinda mixed the bits between everyone and it worked out suprisingly well. If the new guys are sized similarly I can't imagine it's that much of a stretch.
Will Ossiarchs continue to be Ogor's #1 nemesis?
>>98270748Never were, they were just bundled together one time and that was the extent of it.
>>98270040I'm surprised the pistol wasn't an ogor models
>>98270770>for ogors, the day Bonereapers graced their VS box, was the most important releas in their 10 year of existing in AoS. But for Ossiarch, it was Tuesday
anyone have the mawtribes battletomes from 2nd and 3rd?
I think they ditched the wooly ice age stuff just for cohesion. Maulbeasts can be used with both but it'd be weird if BCR remained and Mournfang didn't have BCR keywords. I know they were neutral regular Ogres in WHF and painted with brown fur but that's over a decade of BCR associations
>>98270367>gets mogged by his brother>kills his brother in a cowardly manner>gets exiled>starts the drogrukh-dragon war, bringing his people to extiction>gets trapped for millenia>is freed by Alarielle's magic>gets trapped againWhat a waste of a character
>>98270801https://files.catbox.moe/blb26l.pdfhttps://files.catbox.moe/bgnhlk.pdf
>>98270813Tyrant has a BCR build option
>>98270813How big are those fatasses next to a current space marine?
>>98270879>optionI mean, so do Maulbeasts technically with the raiders but it's not like it makes them wooly
>>98270881A head taller
>>98270953Giving something a crossbow doesnt make it BCR coded, covering your Tyrant in furs does
>>98269247>Seriously, what’s even the point of AoS if TOW is gonna keep releasing the same models for different games with one being vastly superior and cheaper than the other??Games workshop has deliberately stoked pointless Skub vs. Anti-Skub debates between players of 40k, Heresy, TOW and AoS so even if you like models from one range you will autistically go out and buy more from "your" game to spite the players of that game because you have an imaginary rivalry that exists online.And even if you buy the TOW models to proxy in AoS, GW still wins because they're making money either way.
>>98269263>Also GW has a silo system internally. So Old World team and model sales compete with AoS team and sales and 40k team and sales. GW WANTS old world and AoS to have different Warriors of chaos kits so the bean counters know exactly how many kits for which game system is being soldalso tribalistic players will refuse to buy aos gargants to run as tow giants, and refuse to buy tow chaos to run as aos chaos which enables gw to push paypigs into buying more than they would because otherwise their game 'loses'. Same with GW literally stoking rivalries between Space Marines (30K) and space marines (40k) and how the heresy thread shitso n the 40k thread for having less accurate rivets.If you can make idiots believe they're winning a war by racking up purchases, you can make so much money.
>>98270860thank you! many good meals are sure to come to you
>>98270813So do we have official sizes on these nerds?
>>98271085They don't look like 50mm to me, so I'm guessing they'll be the same sizes as the old models, more or less.
I see less hype for Ogors than i expectedWhat happened?
>>98271173Chaos models are better
>>98271173Ogres were never popular? I don't think it's like FEC where the models held some people back from liking the concept/aesthetic. I like them and I have been sitting on some Ogor stuff so a while so I'll convert my Stonehorns and such to fit in with the new stuff and get stuck in
>>98271173I don't think it's a hype problem, it's more just that basically everyone agrees that they're an upgrade so you don't have the raging autistic nerd debates that usually happen after a reveal.
>>98271173Should've been pulled by a beast, alluding to yurt chariots
>>98271198Aside from the Dragon, they're just worse versions of models we already had. The only good thing about the reveal is that is shows Boole is almost definitely wrong about the next AoS Starter Box being spikey chaos warriors.
>>98270954>6'0 vs 5'11
>>98269349
>>98271202>I don't think it's like FEC where the models held some people back from liking the concept/aesthetic.Yeah, the old Ogre models hold up surprisingly well, so it's not really one of those situations where everyone is going to be in a mad scramble to toss their old ogres in the trash and buy the new ones. I'm definitely buying some of these new Ogres, but I'm not looking to replace my entire Ogre hoard either. It's more like your average 40K update in that sense.
>>98271290I think ogres were trash tier sculpts tbhon but the concept was executed well
>>98271307I mean, don't get me wrong, the new models are like 50x better, it's definitely an upgrade. It's just that the old models aren't so offensively bad that replacing them feels urgent. And it's not like the army has changed so much that it makes proxies or conversions difficult, either. Really the biggest upside is getting plastic butchers instead of the resin abominations we've been stuck with for so long.
>>98271173centerpiece is a bit of a dud, and there's a lot of uncertainty about large portions of peoples armies being deleted. otherwise though seems pretty positive. personally the new models and rules are enough that they might bring me back to the army
>>98270788it looks like a crossbow grip more than a pistol, so it might still be for ogres
>>98271173They're a perfectly solid update, but judgement is being slightly delayed until the rest is shown.But if you want to look for a cause of your feeling, perhaps you mistake the arguments that ensue whenever a reveal is inflammatory for positive hype?
>>98271285>this kills the carbs
>>98271173Old ogres are not that bad, and new ones dont reinvent the wheel, its just a 4k version of old HD ones
>>98271173Idk seems fine, solid update to a mid-table army.
>>98271173I'm super happy for Ogor bros who have been waiting for such a long time and had so much doubt they would even survive another edition. But they ain't really my jam and I personally don't care about any of them for me.
>>98271173more of the same so
Destruction is a guaranteed flop, 3rd edition was cursed to be one big flop thanks to the Destruction focus
>>98271544not indicative of players. mawtribes was in the top 3 most played or something in 3rd because they were broken competitively
>>98271579comp players are a blight
>>98271173It was hype last night, we're just in the nitpick phase
>>98271151Yipeeeee
>>98270846Premier jobber. At least khul permakilled some named stormie
>>98271173I like the models, I can't wait to see the rest but the initial outing here has been fantastic. I've got plans to mix and match the bits from old glutons to new ones and smack the new riders onto Mournfangs. If they keep the cannons and have at least some ranged unit I can use my leadbelchers with I'll be very happy. Also big pot man could be pretty easily converted into a skrag the slaughterer like thing. Slap him on the ground, give him some walking legs, replace hands with hooks or blades, add some chains, maybe slap some gnoblars somewhere on it.
>>98271723There's a very blurry screenshot from the background of the video that is likely some sort of new Leadbelcher, plus one of the new unit cards mentions rules for shooting and ammunition
>>98271791Since ogres are sort of chinese now maybe he could be carrying an early chinese cannon (still millennia away from the chinese era ogres are riffing off of, but still).Though I guess that would have to imply they were the ones who made the cannons, which I'm not sure is the angle.
>>98271791That's from a Boole leak from around the time he was talking about Crixxit and Cogforts. Just went through the video to see if that frame was in it.
How do ogres perform with the cogforts? They’re all pretty much infantry right? Should be some synergy there.
>>98271934It was actually reformation, not boole. Same guy that leaked a bunch of the CoS pics.
>>98271949Oh yeah, my bad. Thanks. Boole was still doing his stupid AI gen riddles.
>>98271947Ogors are mostly monster mash as the meta rn since stonehorns are their best unit, from what i've heard the infantry is pretty shite
>>98271953Weren’t iron guts basically carrying them at the start of the edition? Did scourge of aqshy really change their playstyle that much?
>>98271962I got no clue, the like... 1.5 people playing ogors locally just spam stonehorns I don't think anyone's willing to drop the money to get ironguts since you get like what, 3 a box?
>>98269247They look like Jim Henson scrap monsters. It's not a value judgement, swearsies.
>>98269247I seriously can’t get over how visually noisy the Nu warriors are. They wouldn’t even look good on circles, let alone when they’re ranked up like that. They’re at least better than the marauders though, I’ll give them that. But what isn’t.
>>98269247Does anyone here also play tow? Isn't this shit getting way too detailed for rank and flank? I suppose the chaos warriors are very elite so it's not as bad, same with the dragon being a centrepiece. But the marauders for example struck me as very busy for what they are, they look better on rounds than in ranks because of that honestly. They tend to blend together when packed close, though I guess that's also because of the blotchy brown paintjob most people (including gw) give them.
>>98271999>Isn't this shit getting way too detailed for rank and flank?that has been an issue with fantasy ever since they started increasing unit sizes in 5th(i think?)
>>98271999ToW is shit
>>98270639>not lootedTo be fair who the fuck would they loot ogre sized helmets from? I don't like the design much easier thoughAll pretty valid criticisms though, especially the tyrant one. Should have some distinctive headgear at the very least.>>98272043Let's not descend into needless tribalistic nonsense
>>98269474It's really annoying you can't get those ETB ones anymore.
>>98271999No anon, the reason you can't get shit painted on anything shorter than a geological timescale isn't that GW haven't made everything featureless blobs, it's because you can't make yourself shut up, sit down and paint.
>>98272080I think you didn't quite understand the post.
>>98271173TOW unironically won the preview show. We got overshadowed and it’s ok because I can put the new warriors on rounds
>>98272145The new knights aren't very economical for AoS if they come in boxes of four
>>98272153I wasn’t getting them anyways but damn that’s pretty retarded in general.
>>98272158They will probably be in boxes of eight if you buy them outside the Core set or Battlemarch boxes but that does leave you with three minis
>>98272153>>98272158They will come in boxes of 8 and the warriors in boxes of 16. Standard larger sizing for TOW kits.
>>98272145I gotta say I personally don't really like the look of the new chaos warriors and knights. I get that they're going for a 5th edition remake thing and all, but it just looks kind of off to me. Especially the shoulder plates. Dragon's also kind of meh. Not great not terrible, but I feel like centrepiece models should inspire more than an "eh". Again, very clear inspirations on the dragon, just not my thing.Before I'm being accused of being a coping tribalist retard, I do think the foot champion guy with the banner is great. But overall the chaos stuff didn't impress me too much though to be fair maybe I'm a little more critical than usual because it debunked the tomb king vs wood elf rumourThat being said it's also not surprising to me that non-aos people would care more about chaos warriors than ogres
>>98272158They're elite as far as points go but ofc that's irrelevant from a modeling perspective
>>98271791>plus one of the new unit cards mentions rules for shooting and ammunition>The Maulbeast Cavalry can alternatively be built as Maulbeast Raiders. These relentless hunters track their prey, wearing them down at range with crossbows before charging in to finish them off.
>>98271723Use blighted wilds to make custom units
>>98272229Gonna piggyback on your post and preface with saying that I enjoy both WHFB and AoS, but I feel like if all this stuff were released for AoS it all, save maybe the mounted champion, would've been called "overdesigned slop" or whatever buzzword shitposters use these days. I find it hard to focus on individual parts of the dragon and rider.
>>98272258nvm read "thunderous diversion"
>>98272258The attack name on the unit card is "blastbelch".
>>98272261Honestly that's what I feel about the new chaos warriors. Not necessary and overdesigned. Full armor is nice, a few random one-off warriors look good (like the drummer, and overall I like the dragon), but overall I think it's just kinda messy and ugly. The helmets look especially awful. Ogres on other hand I think look really good, but I don't particularly care about them and at most might pick up a single kit to throw on squares to use as mercenaries in ToW.
>>98272261Im pretty sure they look washed out with detail/too busy just because they chose a really bad paint scheme for them. If you paint them in classic colors they look really good imo.
>>98272279That does look a lot better but it also helps highlight just how truly busy the sculpts are now that you can pick out more detail rather than seeing a mass of similar colored metal.
>>98272261Ironically reddit has been critizing them for exactly this reason, which I found kind of funny.>>98272279Has eavy metal just forgotten how to paint ranknflank stuff? First marauders and now this washed out chrome scheme.
>>98272300I think it's just the current in-style for studio painters, Warmachine was doing the same thing too and it looked just as awful as a result, despite the models otherwise looking good when painted by anyone else.
>>98272300I don’t think they forgot how to paint rank and flank. I think the people who work for eavy metal probably never learned how to paint rank and flank in the first place. I think those old painters are long gone.
>>98272279>>98272299>>98272300Surprise surprise they look really good in contrasting colors. Eavy metal are either incompetent or trying to torpedo them.
Consider the following
>>98272316Nurgle helms + rust for me
>>98272316I doubt eavy metal decides the schemes. The darkwater stuff showed what these guys are capable of when let off their chains, I gotta assume they're smart enough to know rank and flank needs more contrast.
Nu ogors are begging me to paint them with glue
>>98272389Feels like they were going off this old art
>>98272399yeah, Oldhammer would be steely
Why would anyone pick AoS Chaos warriors when those superior TOW chads exist?
>>98272226They said units of 4 on the stream tho
>>98272430If you prefer the 6th edition fantasy designs that dont have their assess filled with chaos trim?
>>98272419Really just feels like they went with the older aesthetic for the refresh
>>98272436In the battle march and core set box. The individual box will be 8 of them I am 100% certain.
>>98272430AoS refresh the last kit TOW refreshed 5th edition kits Different aesthetic. I'll kitbash them though. Not a fan of the excessive trim but I'll dremel a little and swap some heads
>>98272430Nigger stfu already nobody buys your shit
>>98272430I like the idea of having different versions around.You could make a good looking chaos host that looks like its been drawn from a myriad of different warbands cobbled together by the lord/sorcerer in charge now.
>>98272504ngl you'll see more of it as StD if Cathay are cheap alongside them. Lots of CoSfags proxying that for some reason
>>98272510CoS have one of the ugliest aesthetics in GW history post refresh.
>>98272481They say "you get 4 in the box" i would assume its the box you buy separetly, only times you get less models than from a normal box, its when its an ETB kit made specifically for the combo box in question
>Buy TOW Chaos Warriors >Yeah, these are my proxies for Rotbringers >Yup, here's my Bloodreavers >That's a painbringer 1-2e poorfag kino is back
>>98272500>AoS refresh the last kit>TOW refreshed 5th edition kitsWeird as hell, should be the other way around, the 6th ed warriors read as more viking than the previous ones, which fit aos' larger scope.
>>98272525AoS basically kept all the last kits helm designs. TOW is more like the 5th edition ones.
Why is ToW only shilled here when white countries are asleep?
>>98272515You literally get half a marauder horseman unit in the battle march set, and half a jade lancer unit in the battle march set and the core set. It’ll be 8. They won’t sell 4 chaos knights for $95, it’ll be $95 for 8. I am 100% certain.
>>98272539Russians and brownoids love shilling old crap to seem more cultured
>Sculpt Ushoran WAOW A NEW PEAK FOR GW SCULPTING WOW ITS SO GOOD THIS GUY HAS TALENT MAN >Sculpt some TOW stuff umm actually this is giving like bad vibes... whoever made this temu looking shit needs to lose their job im honestly triggered
>>98272562Tribalism is real and alive in miniature fandoms. That being said, we’re eating good. The new chaos warriors look sick and I can’t wait to proxy them in.
>>98272562It's sculpted by the same fag that sculpted foot Bretonians. Ushoran guy wouldn't make a full releas wave in 3 months
>>98272533I get that, I just think they should have swapped the direction for the updates.
GW are just terrible all around, it's serious nothing but trash from them. I will never support GW, I'm boycotting them until I see a change and it doesn't matter if they're cheaper proxies I'll continue to support a company that isn't objectively dog shit by only buying AoS models. Fuck you GW. You messed with gamers and for that you'll be bankrupt
I just checked their socials and it does seem like 8 horses and 16 warriors per box. Kind of awkward for use in aos but probably won't be that much more than a box of 5 aos knights or 10 aos warriors.Also got confirmed that the new ogre army set does in fact contain a spearhead.
y'all better be praying the old world succeeds because you'll never get good fantasy terrain if it's left to AoS and Spearhead. L shaped ruins are already tiresome
>>98272562>mad because anons are not glazing the new tow releaseLol buddy the point of trolling is to make the others angry, not yourself
>>98272592is that only four unique bodies?
>>982726218 different bodies but they are multipart interchangeable rather than monopose.
>>98272621Wfb standard of musician, champion, banner and Attack of the Clones
>>98272145Nah, the TOW Chaos Warriors are legit bad. Too fat, oo much armor, too much trim, too spikey, too busy, giving up soul details like the classic CW boots, they're not good. The Dragon is OK, but the Chaos Lord is bland and the Sorcerer Lord...has special needs. There's no reason to buy them for either game when the superior AoS versions exist. The Ogres, meanwhile, are a fantastic update to an already soulful range. They'll probably sell less because they're a destruction army, but that's OK.
>ToWdlers are metling down because nobody likes themThe most pathetic post-stream raid since selenium
>>98272621I think so yeah, at least the torso
>>98272562Nah. I don't have a problem with TOW, I own a lot of their models, including the Marauders and Cathay. I just don't like the Nu-CWs, at all.
TOW deserves to die as fantashit did.
>exodites before kurnothi expansion >chaos warrior refresh before tzeentch gets chaos warriors Im fucking cursed with my armies.
>>98272677And yet, TOW will continue long after AoS has been squatted and replaced with The Last World or whatever the rebooted setting is called.
>>98272734Kurnothi are never getting an expansion anon, they're a sidegame gimmick. The sooner you make peace with this the better, just start proonting your own centaurs and satyrs to run as proxies or something.
>>98272607Which setting was the one with the Pepe head again?
>>98272734To be fair exoites are mega low effort. they're normal eldar on dinos, not some space wood elfs. Imagin if Kurnothi were Lumineth riding deer
>>98272748>Imagin if Kurnothi were Lumineth riding deerI’d have an erection but I don’t want to share my /k/ power level.
>>98272755I actually had a drem based on that greentext and it ended the way you'd expect
>>98272677Aside from the fact that I have nothing against tow, I really wouldn't want that because it serves as a useful lightning rod. Now the shitters only bother us when there's news, instead of the whole year round.
>>98272784It was always news seaons only, they don't interat with /tg/ outsie of thier 'cord call to action
>>98272748>Imagin if Kurnothi were Lumineth riding deerWhat about stormcast riding deer?
>nu ogors can use two iron fistsI’m not sure if the old kit let you do the same but I’m having an entire squad of boxers bare minimum.
>>98272893>but I’m having an entire squad of boxers bare minimum.No, you aren't, that will be just one model.
>>98272893Ironfists were exclusively left handed to my knowledge, but nothing a little hobbywork couldn't fix
>>98272904Nta but I spot quite a few ironfists on both hands on the new models, so even if the arms aren't universally interchangable it'll still be an easy hobby fix.
>>98269877>evolved apex predator on Ghur>simply eats everything else before it can mature
We should see the rest of the ogor range before the set is announced right? A bit worried they might halt it for the eoe campaign.
>>98273500Probably not. There might not be any more releases for them this edition
>>98273500It'll be revealed before the book is out, absolutely. We already have the Tyrant on Gluthorn warscroll revealed. There's also some kind of shooty hero and obviously the leadbelcher replacements.
>>98273518>We’ll have even more (even maw?) new ogor units to show you soon – in fact, you may just get a little tease of one if you go back and re-watch the video. Why do you have to lie and suck dicks?
>>98273500When will the rest be released, and which miniatures are left to be revealed?
>>98273527>When will the rest be releasedAbout a month after the armybox is released, like always>and which miniatures are left to be revealed?Named Tyrant on a big monster thingGeneric Tyrant on a big monster thingHunters with frost sabers built into the unitNamed Female Maneater with a cannon armThose are the ones we know about, but the rumors completely missed the Gut Seers/Jr Butchers duel kit, so there might be more.
>>98273527Id bet on september, no reason beyond a gut feeling
>>98273555
tribalism is tiring try playing any other wargame and you'll regret thinking "I wish GW made less models, I wish they had smaller ranges" idk how TOW plays but goddamn thank you for new Wood Elves eventually. Thank you for ramping up STL creators.
>>98273500The mounted tyrant is in the battletome it the rest may be EoE.
>>98273657During the reveal the specific language they used (Saying the cleavers and seers were the last "For now" ) does sort of imply to me that there will be at least a couple more things they'll show off at a later date. And it does kinda make sense, if they literally only have one other model to show off, why the hell keep it secret?
>>98273652TOW will always be AoS enemy, anon.
>>98273657The Maneater Hero is also in the battletome and the cats that accompany the hunter unit is in the battletome art. There's literally no reason to think any of the rumored models are being held back. Now, something like new Maneaters, that could be an EoE thing.
>>98273675I could definitely see new Maneaters being EoE. Or Warcry if they still do that.
>>98269214Soon
>>98273675The maneater hero though? CoS rumours were 80% true, so based on that I'd expect some stuff held back
>>98270354>Fyreslayers / OgorsHow do you type this bullshit out and not feel like a fucking retard? It's way worse than "Aeldari / Drukhari" because "fire" and "ogre" are actual words.
>>98273809When you engage with other fantasy settings you realize it could get worse.
>>98272634>classic>6th editionNewfag
>>98273809Bet you spell Orc with a K at the end
>>98272677The Last Whimper can't come soon enough.
>>98273809Spelling Fire as Fyre has been in fantasy media for like 20 years now
>>98273843He doesn’t engage with anything fantasy related beyond gw, if even that. Don’t bother with him.
>>98269348It’s a crazy thing to think about actually. That the only named character they had was Kragnos.
>>98273523Because cocks are delicious
do we have an answer on what this thing hes holding is
>>98273942Stream guys told me it's a vampire half-ogor and they never lie
>>98273942A human torso with a maw strapped to it. Its not a "trophy" its a seering tool, like a crystal ball or a magic wand
>>98274144>>98274144>>98274144
>>98271966running reinforced ironguts isn't exactly what I'd call expensive in aos terms by any means.
>>98271999tow's style seems to be going for more realism now. Much like 30k vs 40k does.
