It's so over for the anti DnD camp.A professional psychologist, philosopher, and mythologist weighed in and said DnD has max appeal to literally everyone because it subconsciously evokes the 12 primordial archetypes and Hero's Journey monomyth...https://therpggazette.wordpress.com/2026/06/16/archetypes-at-the-table-why-dd-characters-feel-mythic/
>>98270172>Hero's Journey monomyth...Instantly discrediting.I'm shocked there's anyone around who still has learned that Campbell was a fraud who was literally just making shit up, when hundreds of actual scholars have been calling him out on his shit from day one.I understand you're just trolling a bit here, but if it's an opportunity to shit on Campbell,, then let's not waste the opportunity.
>>98270172As a professional analyst, sculptor, historian, and archeologist, i agree with this as well.It also includes the classical 12 constellations which define human thought and personality.
>>98270183I dunno, the Matrix is the perfect Hero's Journey and George Lucas says he based Star Wars on it.
>>98270197>very low quality bait
>>98270172
>>98270197>>98270203Okay, no. I thought it was already clear that the jig was up, but if your plan is just to keep trolling even when it's clear it's not funny or clever or cute, you might as well give up.
my gosh it's all true D&D even has tai chi and yinger yangs just like in asian mythology
>>98270172my favourite part of reading any article / argument is when they invoke people and their ideas but don't actually source that shit so I can look it up and just have to trust their vibes
most people don't like dnd though
>>98270183>Campbell was a fraud who was literally just making shit up, when hundreds of actual scholars have been calling him out on his shit from day one.Any particular highlights of this fraudulence call out and where can I read more on this?
>>98270308Most people don't like (You)
>>98270172>said DnD has max appeal to literally everyoneI prefer sci-fi, instantly discrediting his supposition.
>>98270172Ruler. Exert Control. Class: railroading DM.Creator. Craft something new. Class: DM who is sick of D&D RAW.Sage. Understand their world. Class: DM who read PH and DMG.Innocent. Retain or renew faith. Class: DM who wants to be GM.Explorer. Maintain Independence. Class: solo-player playing with himself.Rebel. Break the Rules. Class: rules lawyer.Hero. Act Courageously. Class: player who learn rules.Wizard. Affect transformation. Class: Sorcerer.Jester. Have a good time. Class: Tourist.Regular Guy/Gal. Be OK just as they are. Class: Tiefling Bard 1 / Rogue 1.Lover. Find and give love. Class: Fighter.Caregiver. Care for others. Class: Fighter.Extra archetype. Adds thirteen archtype. Class: Artificer.
>>98270172>the 12 primordial archetypes and Hero's Journey monomyth.I fucking hate Americans, they should all be hanged for poisoning the world with this bullshit
>>98270183It's poetic interpretation, not "making stuff up" you chud
>>98270172How do you benefit from making intentionally low quality, off topic shitposts?
>>98271054Extremely based
>>98270349You could just read his book. He was unable to provide a single example of a myth that actually followed all of the steps of his proposed structure.
>>98270172Still playing Call of Cthulhu instead.
>>98270172All 2 comments are attacking the article.
>>98275486There is literally no comments section...
>>98270172How did this affect your latest dnd session?
>>98275486>>98275973You can both be wrong.
>>98276018It doesn't, the article is a typical hotwheels ma bullshit babbling about a subject the author likes and trying to tie it to a weak academic orbiting nothing for no purpose other than filling space with two things the like the ideas of.
>>98276053The author deleted the comments.
>>98276075How did this article affect your latest game session?
>>98276121It doesn't. How does posting >How did this article affect your latest game session?effect your latest game session?
>>98270172This guy cites so many things and get pretty much all of them wrong, asserts ideas and then doesn't back them up, and generally just does not understand D&D, philosophy, psychology, mythology, or TTRPGs at all.
>>98270172It's genuinely amazing that this faggot could type all of this and fail to make a single remotely correct or coherent point.
>>98270172https://youtu.be/LQCU36pkH7c?si=xR19O2411RnHXmCa
>>98276702>he's wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about, unlike me!>huh? explain how he's wrong? n-no, I won't do that. It's, um, totally obvious if you're not a retard!Uh huh.
>>98278320Why are you being adversarial and intentionally misconstruing what he said rather than simply asking for specifics?
>>98270172>A professional psychologist, philosopher, and mythologistSo a professional bullshit merchant, bullshit merchant and bullshit merchant?
>>98276422>It doesn'tThen why did you post about it instead of your games?
>>98275264Perseus
>>98270172If they’re so smart why did they misspell Salvation Army?
>>98275012Rent free
>>98278901Then why did you?
>>98270172>subconsciously evokes the archetypes that you already carry around subconsciously and attribute to people regardless of input.Wow, so it’s a lot of useless dead weight? Who would have guessed? I’ll just stick to playing classless or minimalist RPGs where my own intuition fulfills my psychological needs without having them impressed on me in imperfect forms conjured up by someone else’s need to fill a 300 page rulebook.
>>98278320I'd argue with you, Serban Ionita, but the first comment on your shitty article already tore your pseudo-intellectual asshole so wide that we can run an American 8-lane highway through it.
>>98279882There are no comments on the article...
>>98275012six-seven!
>>98279923There were when this thread was posted. The faggot actually deleted them, it seems. Not important, either way. The author has no real credentials and nearly all of his points are based off vague, poorly conceived ideas about what he thinks D&D sounds like it should be, instead of what it actually is. Like this shit:>It is for this reason that the wizard possesses his distinctive psychological shadow: that of the Faustian bargain of knowledge at any cost, even at the price of humanity itself.Not only does he fuck up the concept of a Jungian Shadow, but he also misappropriates the Faustian bargain, and implies that wizards give up their humanity for more spells and spell slots and risk life and limb for more knowledge for the sake of knowledge, which is genuinely just not how the game works.
>>98270172God willing you will be devoured by scarabs.
>>98270172>he deleted the comments people were leaving, even though they were actually engaging with what he’d written and not just posting niggerfaggotWhat a niggerfaggot
>>98275486I don’t suppose you have a screenshot or anything?
>>98270172>always making the wizard blackthey just can't help they/themselves
Wayback machine stops at 20260609 for the blog. Weird.
>>98281469I was going to screenshot but it was interesting enough.1st comment was a long post. It said the wizard wasn't really the really purported archetype since it didn't really do anything since it can't even transform like Loki and bard would be a better comparison.2nd was shorter but it said the article contradicted it self in a following paragraph.
>>98270172Why are all the examples in the image corporate brands? Wtf is this garbage?
>>98270172And like GeeDubs, its competition is retarded.
>>98281860It can be simply summed up as this guy, pretending to be an academic and scholar, doesn't know shit about any of the things he's talking about. He invokes Jung, but fucks up the most basic concepts. He invokes the Hero's journey and the monomyth, but applies it to dungeoncrawling and the Figher class, which doesn't work at all. He doesn't understand what wizards, rogues, or clerics actually are or what fiction inspired them (it's nearly all just Jack Vance). He makes some bizarre claims about dice that have zero historical basis. The guy is, quite simply, a huge fucking retard.
>>98282091>pretendingNothing drives that home as hard as the fact that, rather than actually engage with criticism, he deleted it.
>>98270656Good.
>>98270172>>98281965Why the FUCK did it take FIFTY POSTS for someone to say something??
>>98270172It's also running on the most clunky and awkward system imaginable. Modern D&D is the result of ~50 years of blind development and stacking systems. The whole thing is an overcomplex and unintuitive mess that tends to fall apart as soon as someone learns an alternative. Really, it comes down to two problems. First. Gary Gygax, while a pioneer of gave development, didn't know jack shit about combat, economics, or even negotiation. As a result, D&D has a lot of logical holes in it's rules. The second problem is that Wizards of the Coast...doesn't give a shit. They want to sell shit and don't really care about the game.
>>98270172>according to experts>Looking at D&D but none of the other TTRPG systems because D&D is the most popular>A game that lets players play or do whatever they want allows them to play as heroic archetypes>Despite all of that, D&D players are shallow and are unable to actually truly fulfill any of their archetypes by only playing quirky chungus characters and never taking the game seriously >mass appeal means its automatically good>>98279859I understand the need for classes but the reasoning behind classes is now lost and is just there to make character building easier and to force a flavor. >>98285535The issue with Gary was he was very much a DM VS players mentality. His game design moved on from having 3-5 extra characters in reserve if on PC dies or has downtime to only ever having one PC where killing off the character is taboo.
>>98281965>>98285337Oh, that’s because Jung didn’t identify 12 specific archetypes and in fact said that the number was theoretically limitless. This set of twelve archetypes is specifically from the marketing industry, which uses it to classify branding. Sorry, I went over that in the previous thread and forgot to repeat it this time.
lol >>98285969Hey Serban why did you delete the previous comments?
>>98285969>twelve archetypes is specifically from the marketing industry, which uses it to classify brandingThat actually makes sense, unfortunately
>>98286291Marketing/advertising use different techniques of psychology in their approach to the public as opposed to most peoples' view of themselves and several other possible applications (culture, nation, hobby, etc.). These applications serve different purposes, and the 12 archetypes of marketing fill the marketing purpose well enough. The only thing unfortunate about the whole deal is that a renowned and near-genius psychologist went into fucking marketing and advertising and turned the whole world into a psyop.
>>98285984God that's pathetic.
