The worst class in D&D is the rogue.
>>98272308Ranger exists. Rogue at least gets multiple Expertises and reliable damage in Sneak Attack.
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>>98272308Have you tried not playing D&D?
>>98272308Worst class in D&Dogshit is by FAR Wizards. Casterfags in general make the game less fun for everyone. There is nothing more anti-climatic and fucking boring as shit than an encounter being solved or bypassed completely because some casterfag pulled a cheat-code out of their ass that serves as a "win-button". Wizards just happen to be the absolute worst of the casterfags because they get the highest number of and most universally applicable cheat-codes. Fuck casterfags. Fuck Wizardfags especially. And fuck D&D for still not being able to do magic right after 20 fucking years of this shit, Save yourself the effort and just play less shitty games DESU.
>>98272308It depends on how you're ranking them
>>98272308>Worst flavourRanger>No direction or clear identityRanger>Gimmicky features that are never relevantRanger>Worse spellcasting than Bard, worse martial powers than a ClericRanger>Juggling animal sidekick statblocks and taking stupid long turns despite dealing less damage than literally any other classRanger>Doesn’t even satisfy the original fantasy of being Strider from Fellowship>Can’t even be used to make a knockoff Drizzt>Fighters are better archers>Rogues are better at Dex skills>Druids have all the outdoorsy survival skills and are actually powerfulRangers are the worst. The class should not exist.
>>98276334>Around wilderness and wildlife all the time >Killing goblins and letting stale sweat soak into their clothes >Smells like dirt, blood, and probably companion animal piss and shit >Hurr worst flavor Of course they taste the worst, at least druids have berries and stuff.
>>98272308This is a tough one...Bard for it's general flavor. It's a cosplay class that gave up its previous class flavor of fucking around with the literal words of creation. The whole college thing is like putting on a chastity belt except it's not to be sexy and is explicity to torture you.Warlock because it's a !cleric whose only real gimmick is a cantrip level spell and the patrons don't take their flavor nearly far enough to make them interesting.Ranger, see >>98276334Monk. The other classes have subclasses that reference other races in universe and the monk can't be bothered to reference anything in universe.Paladin. Take your pick; a gimped cleric or a fighter with some spells. They are as boring as their oaths.Barbarian. Instead of taking advantage of literally everything that exist to explain why you are psychotic rage machine we tied rage to being some nature shit and do nothing interesting with barbarian subclasses.
>>98272308Worst class in D&D is by far the player. Any class is made into shit by bad players, and bad players will play any class in a way that makes the experience shitty for everyone. Bad Barbarian players will REEE and attack anything that moves. Bad Wizards will insist on throwing magic on every single problem then gloat about their ability to match problems to spells. Bad rogues will steal shit they don't even need for the lulz and keep getting the whole party in trouble. Bad clerics will insist that their religion should be obeyed even by people who don't belong to it, like every session is a crusade. Bad players who play bards will try to fuck everything that moves. And the worst, the fucking worst, are players that insist that how they're using the class - especially when it fucks up enjoyment for everyone else, should be above criticism because they technically didn't break any rules.So the worst class is always the player. Always. No exceptions. And you can clearly see in this thread who is a fucking shit player that no one anywhere wants at their table.
>>98272308Back in my day the worst class was Assassin, because it actively encouraged PvP.
>classesYIKES!
>>98272308>what's that? you didn't bring a trap slave with maxed out detect traps and disarm traps? sorry, I guess rocks fall!True.
>>98276334In 4e Ranger had the identity of the big dick damage class with multiple attacks. We need to return to 4e.
>>98280611>We need to return to 4e.Dude, not even as a joke.
>>98280654He's right, 4e is one of the better iterations of D&D.
>WoW editionskek dumb 4rries
>>98280611Sounds like one more reason 4e was cancer and deserved to die.
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>>98272308Rogue is only the worst class in D&D history because it set the precedent of certain classes only being able to do things that everyone should be able to do at a reasonable rate.
>>98276334Most of the D&D classes shouldn't exist. Every one of them could be easily just incorporated into subclasses of Fighter/Rogue/Cleric/Wizard. Hell, most of them could just be feats.
Rangers shouldn't be immediately targeted as the worst class, it's unfair. There should be at least five minutes of debate before they are branded, but unfortunately they will always be the worst. The only time Ranger is good or fun is in a party that rewards the player's RP and build, but in most games, that's never gonna happen to this low-utility, no damage dingus.
>>98276334Ranger is the most "realistic" adventuring class, since its as close to the most optimized skillset as you can get for an "adventurer' if the world was completely mundane. Rogue is second, fighter third.
>>98283166>Fighter 3rdFighter is top tier, anon. There's a lot you can do with them and they feel good to learn on. Ease alone bumps it to A tier at least.
>>98272308The whole idea of being stuck to a class is awful and it’s why gurps is far and away better and more interesting for player experimentation
>>98283166>the most optimized skillset as you can get for an "adventurer' if the world was completely mundane>if the world was completely mundane>if the world was completely mundane>if the world was completely mundane>D&D>if the world was completely mundane> the most optimized skillset> the most optimized skillset> the most optimized skillsetWHAT THE FUCK ANON?!?!?! PLEASE KILL YOURSELF!
>>98283747No one plays GURPS.
>>98283764No one plays TORG. Some people play GURPs
>>98272308Meaningless statement unless you specify edition and which expansion books are used.
>>98283187name ten things they can do that no other class can do better that come from class features.
>>98285271>Reroll failed saves>Action surge>Attack and cast a spell>Higher crit range>Access to fighting style at level 1>Second Wind twice>Three attacks>FOUR ATTACKS!>Extra fighting styles>Unique battle maneuversAnd that's all 5e.
>>98276534> Paladin. Take your pick; a gimped cleric or a fighter with some spells. They are as boring as their oaths.Boring maybe, but Paladins have always been one of the most mechanically effective classes regardless of edition.
>>98282794Kek imagine paying for that slop
>>98272308I like panicman's videos a lot but he needs someone to bounce off of. He gets caught in unrelated rambles (funny) and repeats the same talking points for several hours (less funny).He's a refreshingly sincere dude, though.
>>98275755>D&DogshitYou're still around huh.
>>98276534>BardIt's still the music class and it's arguably the strongest caster in the game, especially Lore Bard which gets Magical Secrets by 6th level. It's good at everything with Jack of All Trades and Expertise, the only thing it can't do well is fight like a martial and even then Dance Bard fixes that.>WarlockIt's nothing like cleric at all. The patrons have plenty of mechanical options that add to the flavor, but they're open enough to allow for a subclass to fit multiple patrons. There aren't nor should there be 5000 different subclasses for every possible patron/forcing the GM to homebrew new ones. EB does need to be a d8 necrotic with standard damage scaling though.>RangerI agree on this, which is why my second revision for it makes it the "pet class" people play it as with a focus on nature and being to Druid what paladin is to cleric.>Monk2024 monk is god tier, it's the best pure martial in 2024 hands-down. DEX based, tons of damage, FORCE damage at level 6 on ALL unarmed strikes which at that point are d8s, Tough being an origin Feat means it's less MAD, it gets improvements at later levels to its core features, and some of the new subclasses like elements are just busted. It doesn't need to reference other races because fuck subclasses that are limited to one specific setting, I don't want to use any of the dogshit official settings, I want my subclasses flexible flavor-wise.>PaladinPaladin is way, way more than that. More consistent healing than a Cleric with lay on Hands, more damage than a Fighter with Divine Smite and all the other smite options, the ability to summon a mount at will by level 5, access to heavy armor and martial weapons without having to waste a subclass, a bonus to all saves it makes that it can share with its allies, eventually a free d8 of radiant damage on all its attacks which is HUGE, and spells that let it actually tank like Compelled Duel. Plus, the oaths are the best part.
>>98276534>>98287449>BarbarianBarbarians - especially Zealot and Totem - are some of the best martial characters in the game. They can tank a ton of hits, deal a ton of damage, basically always have free advantage, and 2024 gave them more tools to work with. Then there's latterday 2014 options like Beast which gives really cool new toys to play with, or the weather-themed subclass that has powerful auras. Barbarian's great.
>>98272308Strictly talking about 2024, from best to worst:>WizardIt gets the most spells prepared, it has the most spells overall with its spellbook, and its list covers basically anything you could ever need. Its only real weakness is the fact that it dies to a stiff breeze or a strength save. That, and the fact it's got some of the most one-note flavor in the game.>BardBard could be argued to be the best. It uses Charisma, a god-tier stat, to cast spells. It gets enough cantrips with a powerful option in Vicious Mockery that damages AND debuffs a foe, and some of its subclasses are just bullshit. Eloquence makes it nearly impossible to fail on charisma skill checks, Lore means you get Magical Secrets early so you can steal from Wizard, Dancer lets you be a better Monk, and that's before we touch on Jack of All Trades which should be a rogue ability but isn't, instead going to one of the best classes in the game.>ClericHeavy Armor, Martial Weapons, full casting, you're basically a better Paladin, especially with the right Subclass. You can heal, you can deal damage, you can turn undead, absolutely top tier class. The only weakness it has is being a little MAD; it's a d8 class with a need for Strength and Wisdom, but Toughness being an Origin Perk helps this.>DruidWildshape got big buffs in 2024, moon druid is insane, and some of its other subclasses are outright broken. Its spell list is a bit middling but good enough for what you'd want. It's a better martial than most martials.>SorcererrIts spell list got expanded, it got some great new features in 2024 including a super form, and even if it's sort of a diet wizard it's still a great option.>Artificer2024 Artificer has more flexibility as well as keeping all of its powerful features from 2014. It's one of the best half-casters in the game, but there could be an argument for...
>>98287477>PaladinPaladin got hit hard with 2024's nerfs. Smite being as it is is one of the worst changes, but it has weapon masteries now which are solid, and it's still a great half-caster option. Free Find Steed is a solid thing to have, it still has its aura at 6th level, and overall it hasn't really lost much.>MonkThe best pure martial in 2024. It does more damage, Tough being an origin Feat means it doesn't have to pump CON anymore to be good, and the changes to Focus (Formerly Ki) abilities are excellent. The fact it gets Force Unarmed Strikes - basically damage that hits anything without issue - at 6th on top of an extra flurry attack at 11th make it an amazing pure martial option, and that's before you get into subclasses like Elements which lets you juggle your foes which is hilarious.>BarbarianA solid martial, it's had its abilities expanded in 2024 while keeping what made it good in 2014. You get mad, you kill shit, you take less damage, it's all good if you want basic unga bunga gameplay. It also gets to be faster, move out of turn, has new toys with Brutal Strike, and have more skills so it's overall a huge step up.>RogueRogue got a few new tricks with 2024, which make it a bit better than it was in 2014. Getting Reliable Talent much earlier helps a ton, as do its new ways to use Sneak Attack. Its Subclasses also got some pretty good buffs in 2024, the ones that have been reprinted that is. Solid pick.>FighterFighter is this low not because it's mechanically horrible, but because it's boring. It doesn't get any really interesting features, despite trying to have them with the new way to use Second Wind, and Action Surge got nerfed to make it a less appealing multiclass for Wizards. Ultimately, it sure is there, and it works as a martial, but... there are more interesting choices.
>>98287477>>98287497>WarlockWarlock is still an eldritch blast spam machine, but it gets invocations earlier and some of its new subclasses offer a bit more in the way of mechanics. It's the worst caster by far, and honestly it's still best for a 3-level dip at most, but hey, it gets a bit more in the way of features and can recover spells more often so...hooray?>RangerRanger was so close to being good. But then, they made Hunter's Mark concentration. That kills the whole class. Couple that with a muddy identity as a class and some honestly really good subclasses as of late, and you get it at dead last. I'm sorry, its core gimmick of hunter's mark is so gimped and its core flavor so blurry that it's just not worth playing. Nature focused character? Druid. Martial archer? Fighter or Rogue. Pure damage output? Monk. Spellcaster? Wizard or Bard. Ranger does nothing exceptionally, and as such it sits squarely at the bottom. It is the worst 2024 D&D class by virtue of its muddy flavor, weak mechanics, and lack of place within the sandbox of the 2024 D&D classes.
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