First we gonna beat 'emThen we gonna eat 'em First we gonna beat 'emThen we gonna- Edition>Previously, in the Mortal Realms>>98269214>Official AoS website:https://www.ageofsigmar.com>Downloads, Rules Errata, and FAQs:https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/>Toolshttps://runebrush.pa-sy.com/warscroll/https://lordbaconbane.github.io/aoswarscrollcreator/>Anvil of Apotheosis hero creator (old):https://aosg.github.io/https://sigdex.io/>Thread question:Beastclaw, Gutbusters, or Mawseekers?
Gutbuster for life. Though Mawseekers look like they might end up with a fun (at worst) AoR in the book. Could also be worth souping (lmao) depending on how good the Prayer Lore ends up being in the book.
>TQGutbusters, I’m open to beasts though. Mawseekers just seem odd.
Haven't seen enough of BCR in the new version to judge yet, so probably Gutbusters. Mawseekers, I'll definitely grab a unit of Gut Seers and maybe the special character but not a full list of them, no way.
Something tells me that Beastclaw will continue to be the only ones with lore worth even thinking about
>>98274188I’ll give mawseekers the benefit of the doubt. But yeah beastclaws are like the premier thing that holds ogors together.
is this thing surviving into the new tome?
>>98274144Whichever has leadbelchers.
>>98274226According to leakers, yeah, it's staying around. At least initially.
>>98274144>TQCentaurs :)
>>98274226It would be the only thing with gnoblars, or gunpowder other than the special maneater character.
>>98274226Until 5th ed when they reset the world again
I'm setting up kuroba, ignore this if it posts.
The pot looks dumb, and the cav look out of place like something orcs would ride. If the tyrant doesn't have a helmet I'll be very annoyed.
Redd-it the Maw-derator
>>98274156It's all soup mate, BCR won't even get a keyword
>>98274278Mawderator or just Mawd would be a funny title for ogres
Anybody have the Sylvaneth and Gitz tomes?
>>98274250>resetYou misspelled squat
>>98274249Stonehorns and the Ironblaster are basically gone. Blightkings didn't make it so they definitely won't.
>>98274422Apples and oranges.Blightking were directly updated over
>>98274416Same difference, but yes, exactly. They're going to squat AoS like your momma squats on my hawg, pedant.
>>98274249So right now the confirmed things we're missing are the hippo generic/named tyrant dual build, the new leadbelcher replacement (hunters + cats) and the named cannon maneater character?I think there were also mentions of new maneaters but as like a later release.
>>98274422In the stream they said stonehorn and thundertusk stay.>inb4 the stream also gets stuff wrong I doubt they would get this part wrong
>>98274364I only have gits:https://gofile.io/d/2Ob3nv
>>98274486staying for... four months, a year, etc it's a given
>>98273500We've seen the warscrolls of the cannon maneater and the mounted tyrant already, so they should be announced soon, and I doubt they'd randomly keep the hunters for longer. I expect these to be revealed in the coming weeks, certainly not until end of edition or anything.
>>98274519The hunter in artwork could be hrothgorn tbf
>>98274561Could be, but the hunter talk comes from boole in the first place who I think by now we've established is pretty damn reliable, at least when it comes to models.There's also the crossbow rumour engine
>>98274588For sure, just meant it could be a later release just as CoS have yet to get Halflings, a wizard Cogfort, four battlemages in a RoR, etc. Presuming things are held back.
>>98274623We have artwork of the cats, though. GW wouldn't insert artwork of unreleased models in the tome.
>>98274631>GW wouldn't insert artwork of unreleased models in the tome.
>>98274635It's true. They'll tease unreleased units in text form but art is another thing.
>>98274631Hrothgorn has a cat
>>98274672I'm sure Hrothgorn is all over the battletome art.
>>98274623Could be of course, but I think it's unlikely they'd split up the reveal just to only reveal two more characters. Especially since ogres are now missing their ranged unit.>>98274631>does he know
>>98274675I mean why not if he is part of the range now?
>>98274678this is clearly the next Thondia book recycled into WD
>>98274678That's not a battletome. White Dwarf recycling cancelled supplements is, again, a different topic entirely.
>>98274707>here's some art and fluff that looks like it was stripped out of CoS or Dawnbringers what did they mean by this?
>>98274495neat
>>98274717It's very obviously from the cancelled Thondia part 2 that was going to continue the Bonesplitter/BoC storyline from Thondia and introduce another incarnate, which never saw the light of day because all that shit got squatted internally.
>>98274741I doubt the CoS stuff is from there, though. That's what I'm curious about
>>98274781The Excelsis fluff here was already well established and the City was very prominent in early 3E lore, being the location for the final big battle of 2E and also the launching point for the Dominions Novel for 3E.
>>98274707Malerion's dragon artwork is in the new dok tome, if that counts
>>98274249We've talked about the visuals, but how are people feeling about the size and "feel" of the new range?So far we've got:>foot characters-tyrant-bloodpelt hunter-butcher-mantrapper (hrothgorn)-named maneater with cannon (rumoured)>infantry-gluttons-ironguts-cleavers-gutseekers-gorgers -hunters (rumoured, + cats)>cav-maulerbeasts melee-maulerbeasts ranged-ironblaster-scraplauncher>centrepiece-Redd the maw-thundertusk-stonehorn-gluttbeast tyrant-gluttbeast named tyrantUnless I'm forgetting something, this will be range for now + the maneater unit which is supposed to come later (5th?)Obviously quite elite infantry focused. I'm most curious about the cleavers/gutseekers, they seem a bit gimmicky. I hope it's not a blight kings situation.I do like that they introduced a new subfaction with the mawseekers, fits well. now bring back the firebelly faction
>>98274831You can't be this dumb
Is there a link to a vault with old White Dwarfs (like pre-2015)? I’m after WD 302 and WD 381 (when 6th ed and 8th ed Ogre Kingdoms were released)
>>98274899He's coming and he WILL be souped with DoK, no sense in denying it anon.
>>98274937Only reason I feel this might be true due to one of the special characters they introduced some years back who wants to depose Morathi.
>>98274937The discussion is about art spoiling upcoming units, not a random picture from 11 years ago that got edited into a new version of a book to add context to something
>>98274898With the iron blaster still in and rumoured cannon maneater I really doubt were losing leadbelchers. Even if they stay the old kit until a second wave.They're just too iconic an option for GW to drop.Personally I really hope we get to keep Firebellies as well. They're one of yhe best ogre minis and some cool lore.
>>98274966You literally cannot buy them anymore mate Delusional
>>98274966As much as it pains me I think it's pretty undeniable at this point that we're losing leadbelchers (for now).They might return under maneaters if they are indeed coming later, the named character having gunpowder suggests they're chiller about that kind of thing. That'd mean 4 rough subcultures:>gutbusters under globbdottir>mawseekers under redd >maneaters under cannon woman>beastclaw raiders under ???
>>98274982The tyrant being gone seems a bit weird
>>98275209He's from feast of bones right?But yeah gw has shown that they don't give a fuck and are willing to refresh even relatively recent kits of they think they don't match whatever new aesthetic they have in mind. Wight king on steed, blightkings, tyrant, ...
>>98275209They've shown off a new one
>>98275249it just such a recent model, it's the same thing with the Wight King on Horse
>>98275253Yeah, but the timeline of things probably makes sense. GW sit on things for up to give years under normal procedures, imagine what it's like for stuff that they delay and shift around to best fit production logistics. For all we know they could've expanded Gutbusters in 1e and just set it aside. We know Dispossessed had stuff in the works that TOW inherited, so it makes you think. The Beastlord is a good example. The Thondia campaign was scrapped a year prior, which pretty much indicates when BoC were dropped definitively internally.
>>98275284>We know Dispossessed had stuff in the works that TOW inherited, so it makes you think.The Shieldbearer character kit?The way the kit is structured is pretty unlike AoS kits, so I'm not sure that inherited but was SDS design
>>98275171Baergut Vosjarlonce gw decides he is not actually dead but was merely frozen and is now free from his ancient icy prisonactually nevermind, just make it kragnos with a cold reskin, fuck it
>>98274625that's rad
>>98275311Might've just been the assets, but you mean the spare figure? It's built like an AoS model with no options aside from the unusual spare which isn't something I've seen since the magmadroth or tauralon I think
>>98275284>We know Dispossessed had stuff in the works that TOW inherited, so it makes you think.I don't believe this at all personally. I know it's from boole and his model record is pretty close (but not totally) perfect, but his behind the scenes stuff I'm personally very sceptical about.
>>98275360>bro the foot hero is monopose so it must be AoSKill yourself.
>>98275360Yeah, the extra figure that you get with the model isn't really an AoS thing, but it seems pretty common for TOW/WFB
>>98275384Cope. Nah, boole said TOW inherited some stuff. I reckon it's just assets but who knows.
>>98275332>beastclaw kragnos>stompy: check>horned: check>nomadic: check>prehistoric: checkwhy isn't this a thing?
>>98275438I mean, it totally can be your army
>>98275438Because nobody wants kragnos.
>>98275438>Mournfang: GONE>Yhetees: GONE >bro isn't kragnos basically BCR? man we should've got Braggoth, Yhetees, Rhinox Riders, and a War Wagon Yurt thing
>>98274244Thank god, I got 2 of em. Also it's like my favorite model in the range because I just like big fuckoff cannons.
I feel like they shouldn't have bothered with Maulbeast Raiders if the Hunters are coming out with Frost Sabres. Are BCR ice age monsters or not?
>>98275530Yeah I really like it too. Was kind of worried because they put it in both the spearheads and gw can get sneaky like that, but seems it's sticking around for now.At the end of the day the new look isn't that different from the older ogres, and especially when they're mounted and not that visible they'll look just fine next to the new guys.
>>98275576I have a feeling that the Everwinter is gonna take a backseat and they’ll become more generalized hunters.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/4o8ihwtm/sunday-preview-claim-the-old-world-with-a-new-core-set/
>>98275596Oooo, scourge aqshy scrolls start tomorrow, that’s nice. Wonder if they’re gonna reveal anything interesting tomorrow too.
>>982755864e already had that or was it 3e? The Ever winter was gone for some Ogors due to X quake
>>98275596That was fast. Also:>Here on Warhammer Community, we’ll have a miniatures reveal tomorrow, and free Warhammer Age of Sigmar rules downloads throughout the week as the Scourge of Aqshy beginsDo we think the miniature will be something for us or is it supposed to be 40k marine/ork dripfeed?Soaggy scrolls reveal is cool too, hope we get some good shit
>>98275618the stream mentioned it would be 40k, they were asking for people to vote on what was revealed first
>>98275618I’m gonna take a wild shot and say Seraphon pity hero.
>>98275630Bummer but not unexpected, at least the scourge of aqshy stuff will keep us busy
>>98275630>>98275636Ah, never mind. Of course 40K would win. What a retarded poll.
>>98275596MESBG release is getting overshadowed thereShame that WD doesn't seem to have an obituary for Blanche in it
>>98275644I think they mean orks or space marines anon>>98275648Idk what the turnover time is for WD, but surely they'll do one of those later
>>98275644The poll was between Orks and Space Marines, the reveal it was always going to be a 40k model reveal
>>98275657Rebellion can do it in the Judge Dredd Megazine but I guess he did only died like three weeks ago which is probably too quick for WD
I’m kinda surprised maw seekers don’t have a mutated mouth belly. Although maybe that’s too chaos coded.
>>98275670Khorne and nurgle already stole that design.
>>98275678>nurgle;___;
>>98275670Thats khornes schtick. Many of the blood warriors have those.
>>98275657>>98275661I’m just missing shot after shot, huh.
>>98274245STOP
So having compared my enlarged ogors to images of the upcoming stuff, I managed to make all of my dudes on foot half a head taller than GW's new ogors. However, despite my best efforts in enlarging mournfangs, the small size of the mournfang body sculpt just can't compete with the considerably longer legs and bulk of the maulbeast.
>>98275596>* Delayed in Korea.>** Not available in Korea.What's happening to GWs Korea stock?
>>98275670Chaos ogors soon™(No glutos' crawlers and the iron golem one don't count)
>>98275727Kim Jong Un is an AoS fan and kills people who play ToW
>>98275727Didn't they literally open their first store there like a week ago?>>98275743/ourguy/
>>98275636>Seraphon >Pity HeroThey need at least 4 new models + spells.
>>98275747>Didn't they literally open their first store there like a week ago?yep only 8 days ago, seems they are using a local subsidiary instead of it being a just GW >https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/22917/games-workshop-korea-to-open-first-official-domestic-store-on-the-20th
>>98275752What they need doesn't matter to reality. Reality is that SOME of the remaining books must get pity heroes and might be lucky to get an extra unit. We have Lizards, SoB, and Fyreslayers left to reveal. Ogors obviously got their refresh. SoB are getting maybe 2 kits if the rumor of a matriarch and new mancrushers is to be believed, FS being rolled into Khazalids so that's a new range of Dwarves, which leaves Seraphon in the uncomfortable spot of likely getting pitied. The rumors for them have been all over the place from Old Blood/Scar Vet on foot, to Skink wizard on a Coatl, to updated Guard.
>>98275682>Many of the blood warriors2 of the blood warriors, and not even in the multipart kit
I’ve been wanting to start a Slaves To Darkness army for a while now, with the release of the new Chaos Warriors in TOW I’ve decided to start, I grabbed this for $80
>>98275800Good spot to start especially because with one more horse guy you can just call those knights a reinforced varanguard block and suddenly you have like a quarter of a list.
>>98275800since its a starter I would look into ebay where they will eventually sell them cheaper than chips.
>>98275828thankfully secondaries will swarm to it before realising they'll have to build and paint them
>>98275800I miss start collecting brosThe knights alone cost you 70 bucks nowadays
reckons it's worth buying Ogre's army bundle or will it be a Gitmob situation
>>98275914As long as it aint more than $230 its already got my name on it. I wont mind buying the spearhead multiple times too just because the hero is multi part this time.
>>98275800Sell it for 150 on ebay, and buy the new starter set to double the amount of miniatures you get.
>>98275905>They launched at $75>The current KO spearhead is literally the old SC with a different hero at double the price.
>>98275914From some guy on tga; the army set contains a spearhead so it'll likely have a separate release without the tome later (minus maybe one of the glutton units, the wording is a bit unclear).So it depends on if you want the tome, and if not, if you're willing to wait a couple of months before the spearhead box comes around.Tldr it's like helsmiths.
>>98275938probably the iron guts desu.
>>98275937Don't get me started. I've bitched about that very spearhead plenty of times in this general. The previous spearhead was actually really good too is the worst part.>>98275942>tyrant>10 gluttons>2 cavI guess it's possible but idk feels a bit simple. I feel like>tyrant >5 gluttons>3 ironguts>2 cavWould give it some more juice, y'know?
>>982759423-4 different units is standard so it could go either way: 5 gluttons or 10 and no ironguts
>>98275982I wanted to say that 3 kit spearheads are pretty uncommon, but looking at the list that's actually not true anymore.Used to be that only the seraphon, fyreslayers and SoB spearheads had less than 4 kits, SoB is obviously a bit of a special case and the seraphon one had a big centrepiece that doubled as a general so all is well. Fyreslayers are fyreslayers, pretty much impossible not to double up on kits there.However since 2025 they really started doubling up on units. Most spearheads since then double up on kits, meaning a lot end up with only 3 units if they don't have a dual build option:>gitmob>mortisan elite>khorne doggy one>idoneth double eel>FEC double horror>tzeentch double disc-tzaangors>obr double cav>sylvaneth double dragonflies>eshin double runnersIt's very noticeable when you look at it chronologically. This is also not even counting the spearheads where they double up on units but still end up at 4 kits because there's some other filler unit in the box, like the new ogre and nurgling ones.Yeah combined with all the warcry recycling it's quite obvious that gw realised spearhead boxes could be a bit too good of a deal when buying multiples.
>>98276148Oh I forgot slaanesh, which also has double daemonettes, meaning 6/10 spearheads in 2026 so far double up on kits (60%). That might become 7/11 (~63.5%) if they go for double gluttons in the ogre one.In 2025 it was 6/13 spearheads, just under half (46%).In 2024 only 2 out of 26(!) spearheads doubled up on units, and in both cases (fyreslayers and SoB) it was pretty much unavoidable. (~7.5%).(Keep in mind by kits I essentially just mean boxes, so the 2 gitmob chariots count as 1 kit because they're sold together, but the 6 wolves count as 2 kits because they're sold in threes)
>>98274144Igor lads... We won and lost...It's the monkey paws all over again... New models but to replace the old cute fat bastards... At least they didn't suffer what my old beast of chaos had to endure...
Thanks to an anon recommending me for an app i can see some of the color schemes i have planned to pain my minis... Hoping they end sorta the same because the 1st tryout was the bloodreavers a bud gave me from warhammer quest and couldn't get the yellow right.Tried the skaven with the yellow armor and purple clothes but i fucked up the purple this time lmao>>98274982How much are they on ebay? Maybe you can snag some
>>98276328something something these are your storm cast eternalssomething something iron fists
>>98276328What app?
>>98276332Listen here you little shit--You made me chuckle>>98276333Impcat anon! Can get some easy mistakes like the steel shoulderpads you can still see, but mostly used to see the paint schemes you might want
>>98276363Did they update it to support other images? I remember it needed someone to basically scan in a mini in a weird file type, so lots of sculpts were missing.
>>98276314Oh swell, I assume it'll have something to do with the city of ash guy whose name I already forgot because his model is so boring.
>>98276328Ogres are thankfully abundant second hand thanks to a solid run for every kit in physical stores and in Spearheads. They're probably cheap now that they're legends but I suppose TOW will boost some appeal (though TOWfags 3dprint mostly) I'm right though, they're no longer available as gluttons are. The rumours were true and anon is mistaken.
>>98275670>>98275682
>>98276504lol.
Man I love the new ironguts, they better have a bunch of options because I wanna run multiples of these.I know gw has been kind of shitty on that front lately, but usually these big 3 man elite units still have a good amount of bits.
>>98276565they have not showcased much about them, I'm afraid the degree of freedom will be helmeted heads, unhelmeted heads, an alternative build for the champion so you can build a third generic one, and MAYBE, swappable weapon heads
>>98276624Yeah, I'm a little worried because while in the reveal article they emphasized the amount of weapon options in the glutton kit they said jack shit about those when talking about gluttons.Did they mention anything on the reveal stream itself? Wasn't there for most of the ogre stuff myself.
>>98276674*when talking about ironguts
>>98276565Good news is that if they have very few options and simple sprues then they'll get included in as many boxes as possible
>>98274144What kind of creature could it be? A hippo-like creature, perhaps?
Can't say I'll miss the gnoblarsCouldn't even get a full unit out of a single box
>>98276716It's like a Rhino-hippo.
>>98276716It's a rhino. He's on the battletome cover
Soon
>>98276716Mix of rhino and hippo as far as we can tell>>98276728Do wish they emphasized the hippo part a bit more, the horn looks a bit stupid and I wish the mouth was widerJust luv me waterhorses
>>98276728>>98276751A hippo body and a rhino head? I would have preferred it to keep the hippo head, since those massive jaws and tusks fit better with the Ogor tribes.
>>98276751Rippo
>>98276781Yeah same here
>>98276781>massive jaws and tuskswould end up too close to a grunta
>>98276736PTSD PTSD PTSD
>>98276830Khans was to Mtg what 1990s were to America
>>98276736damn the older Abzan design is much better than the one in the recent Takir set
>>98274144>>98276728>>98276781Man, I don't have a problem with the body, but that head looks terrible. I hope the actual miniature looks better, and if not, at least I hope they give us a head option that looks more like a hippo sometime in the future.
>>98276841Every real clan was better desgined than the recent LARP clans
>>98275928Nah, all the Warriors in the start collecting box have unique sculpts for some reason, you can't get them anywhere else.They're pretty cool so I'd keep it
>>98276781I just want them to have a mammoth alreadyThey've danced around it for so long
>>98276866they can't have one until they have the thundertusk, and they can't have one if tow gives one to norscansbut since the new monsters are all more or less hairless you could get away with slapping spare stonehorn riders onto a mumakil, since it will now fit the hairless beasts
>>98276866Those are coming to TOW anon
>>98276830Were they the mtg equivalent of cathayan balloons ot what's going on here?On that note, what was the last balloon-tier comically overpowered unit that AoS had? I'm still occasionally reminded of how disgusting first edition beastclaw raiders were.
>>98276892of course tow gets them to make them lame. >>98276919Incarnates, endless spells.
>>98276892James' beancounters urgently need lead supplements to free us from their retardation.
>>98276866The thundertusk is effectively their mammoth.Besides, tow is going hard into norsca for some reason so it'll probably end up there.*if* any faction in AoS gets a mammoth it should be darkoath, sigmar knows they need all the help they can get. Actually just give them all the ice age shit if ogres aren't doing that anymore. Smilodons, terror birds, mammoths, ...
>>98276971I know mammoths were still alive during Ancient Egypt, but "modern" humans like Conan don't mix with clearly caveman coded animals
>>98276982Mhyea I get what you're saying but I think it works well enough if the humans are sufficiently tribal-looking, which imo darkoath are.
>>98276919immortis guard.
>>98277002a whole giant phalanx army of imortis would be so cool.
Why do you want regular animals in Chaos. Even Tolkien wasn't ok with generic elephants.Have it like a 4 leged cyclops with a pair of hands instead of a trunk, with ivory claws
Currently looking into AoS again, just for lore, art and homebrewing, and I gotta say, every time I come back I can stop glazing over the IDK, the aesthetics are top fuckign notch, and the minies look great, especially the clothing and armour. My only issue are the Namarti, I love the look but really don't like the soul withering eyeless freaks, although I'd rather like their pale-white skintone to all Akhelians and Isharran.Any idea when we're getting more Sea Elves? I could do with some Akhelian and more sea creatures. I'm desperate for a King surfing on a Manta Ray. Some crustaceans would be nice too.
>>982770135th edition is the edition of the (a)elf.
>>98277012Making them a little fucked up warhammerified is implied.
>>98276314Give it up, it's Morathi's city now
>>98275800Should have tried to get the WoC battalion from a third party somewhere. If you can stand the 6th edition warriors and 7th edition (?) everything else that was an insane deal.
>>98275914I hope it sells well or flop poster may return for another 9 months
>>98277034>$200 >Insane deal I’ll admit I like those knights over any other iteration that has been done in them but it’s certainly insane for different reasons.
>>98276919>Were they the mtg equivalent of cathayan balloons ot what's going on here?It's a meme picture, you can't have more than 4 in your deck. But it was de-facto the best creature in standard tournament play during its time and most people played it.Because they were kinda hard to kill they often ended up stacking, so it felt like your opponets drew nothing but rhinos as if they're deck was full of them.That annoying abundance of rhnos is why every long time mtg player knows what a group of rhinos is called (it's a crash of rhinos)
>>98277026Chaos tends to be even more fucked up now, gone are the days where it was regualr animals in good guys vs fanatsy bullshit in chaos.Now good guys get a sphinx and centaur, while chaos gets mutated/twisted sphiranx and centaurion.
>>98277013>Any idea when we're getting more Sea ElvesYeah idk just had a "wave" this edition, but it ended up just being a pity hero + named foot character + (recycled) incarnate which is just a big endless spell. So basically, a bunch of shit they didn't need. Maybe gw listened to all the pushback, maybe they just saw "wow people didn't buy the new idoneth stuff, guess we shouldn't invest too much in them". It's grim being an idoneth fan, but I guess it's oddly fitting>>98277034Knights are 7th yeah but I think the chariot is from 8th
>>98276736>pic is 11+ years oldfuck my life
>>98277024I want to believe, believe that it's the edition of the Dark (A)elf. Seriously, it's been 11, ELEVEN FUCKING YEARS, since this game's released and Malerion hasn't show his face or his (a)elves ONCE. Like, it's fitting, but FUCK.Also, Deldar have been neglected for FAR LONGER than that and I could see a double (triple?) release for all Dark (A)Elves/dar across all Warhammer settings before they are forgotten for another 20 years+.
>>98277039The helsmiths army set sold out in under 5 minutes from the gw store. It wouldn't matter how well it'd sell, he'd still shitpost about it.
>>98277090Just a note.When you’re making shit up you should try to make it believable.
>>98277098A 5 second google search is all it takes anon, I believe in you.
>>98277129You’re literally sourcing Reddit
>>98277132That’s on you
>>98277132Perfectly acceptable source in this context lol. Take the l and move on, it's an anonymous forum.
We all agree camels should be the next animal adapted to AoS.The question is, who for?Slaanesh? Ogres? Darkoath?
>>98277203Wait the reboot to see what the world looks like before speculating on new fauna.
>>98277203Hobgoblins
>>98277203try shieldwolf
Any good scans of the Sylvaneth, DOK and/or COS 4th edition battletomes yet?
>>98277220Shieldwolf are actually who's ogres the new ones remind me of.
>>98277203Why camels and not tigers?
Been out of the game for a few years. Can anyone explain why Helsmiths seem to have such a NOT MUH reputation with oldhead Chaos Dwarf fans? They've got the tusks, they've got big hats, they've got the beard ringlets. Sure, they ratcheted back the Mesopotamian theme, but on the whole they feel at least as faithful as any other given AoS update of a WFB faction.They definitely feel a lot closer to the classic Chaos Dwarfs than the Forge World dickheads did. They didn't even have the hats.
>>98277074>Malerion hasn't show his face or his (a)elves ONCEYou had the Silver Tower Shadow Elves, technically. But yeah, GW hasn't done shit with Dark Elves for any of their properties in a long time. They're probably not very popular.
>>98277276Tigers are for Cathay, nerd.
>>98277279Because AOS has been shit talked to high heaven so anyone who doesn't play or interact with it is dealing with a massively poiaoned well because grogs kept shitting all over.
>>98277034Didnt expect 6th ed warriors to look fine on 30mm bases
>>98277279They're too different from what came before
have you ever been turned off of or even sold an army because the rules are either badly written or taken in a direction you dont like?
>>98277279Because they look nothing like the chaos dwarfs they want. It's not hard to grasp anon. Saying they are just like these is like saying Lumineth are just like High Elves.
>>98277292>non canon thing invented by another company>changed it to Jeet Furries>female Jeet Furriesstunning. brave.
>>98277300this is age of sigmar, i dont know what the fuck you were expecting. its not exactly like thats a recent trend
>>98277308Thats just all of AoS since 3rd
>>98277300Forgeworld Chorfs were themselves a huge departure from what came before, though. AoS chorfs are arguably closer to the original design than they are.
>>98277318If I say I want BLUE and GW promises BLUE but instead delivers RED I'm not gonna be a consumer of it. Very simple.>>98277324No, not really. Especially since FW chorfs are a specific subtype of chorf, their Slayer equivalent, and normal goofy hats still existed at least lorewise.
>>98277324speaking of which, anyone got the Chorf BT on hand by any chance? I think they're probably the coolest new faction in the last ten years desu
>>98277311Right, but High Elf fans didn't throw a tantrum to the same extent that Chaos Dwarf fans did when the Lumineth came out, did they?Also "nothing like" is a stretch. Is it that the hats aren't round enough?
>>98277326your analogy is dogshityou wanted chaos dwarfs and GW gave you chaos dwarfs. tusks, sorcerers, bulls, centaurs, artillery, tall hats, guns, they are chaos dwarves to a tee. you are just assmad over some small stylistic changes in shape language, really minor stuff.its not like you asked for chaos dwarves and they gave you chaos elves instead. plus this is age of sigmar, GW doesnt give a fuck what you ask for, they're doing their own thing anyways
>>98277342> but High Elf fans didn't throw a tantrum to the same extent that Chaos Dwarf fans did when the Lumineth came out, did they?ohhhhh yeah they did. the cow elf threads when on for months. it was the second coming of shaerkposting
>>98277347>you wanted chaos dwarfs and GW gave you chaos dwarfs. tusks, sorcerers, bulls, centaurs, artillery, tall hats, guns, they are chaos dwarves to a teeNo they gave us weird bull dwarves that feel like a mockery of chaos dwarfs that lack all the whimsy and Assyrian imagery that made the aesthetic.For how much GW charges for these kits I will be fucking petty about this.
>>98277355>angry over a product you don’t engage in Wild. >mockery of chaos dwarfs that lack all the whimsy and Assyrian imagery that made the aesthetic.Oh so just like the forge world dwarves, got it.
>>98277342All I can say anon, is that when Lumineth came out I didn't buy them because I wanted high elves and not retarded cow bullshit.When high elves were re-released I bought them because that's what I wanted. Now I'm waiting for Dark Elves to leave legacy and hopefully not have a shitty battlemarch box since apparently battalions are going away now.
>>98277368Guess what, I also didn't buy the forge world chorfs. It's also not anger, as much as it is "I don't like product, I will not buy product".
>>98277369>retarded cow bullshit.>2 units, maxWell enjoy the army wide dunce caps instead.
>>98277355the fact that you cant articulate any meaningful differences between the two beyond shallow surface nuances says everything about your argument and i stand by my criticism of your position. if you really just cannot stand the new ones go buy recasts or get prints. there are full print ranges of the original 90s style, and full recast ranges of the forgeworld ones for pennies on the dollar. the only one standing in your way is your own obstinance
>>98277376>I-it’s not anger!Sure anon.
>>98277326>normal goofy hats still existed at least lorewisesecondary, FW made models with them. Fuck off tourist
>>98277383Well anon, assuming you were the one asking the question of why certain people don't like the current chorfs, I hope you got a definite answer: it's not what that subsection of people wanted and GW isn't owed money.
>>98277039I mean that it gets a spearhead repack of it that's better value
>>98277403>it's not what that subsection of people wanted and GW isn't owed money.that subsection of people doesnt spend money anyways and GW doesnt care what they wantbut what GW made clearly does appeal to a lot of people because almost the whole first run of models were sold out for 6 months straight
>>98277012>Tolkien wasn't ok with generic elephantsIlliterate
>>98277413Nah, anything GW releases people will buy and defend religiously so it doesn't actually mean anything of its quality. Like Pokémon. Like those heroes of the chapter that was what, over $100 for 5 infantry marine heroes? People were very adamant this was somehow not GW taking the piss.
>>98277425while I agree in principle, expecting the average person to realize that 'oliphant' is just the Old English word for elephant is the equivalent of expecting a 5 year old to know how to do income taxes, in an etymological sense.
>>98277439The heffalumps from lotr where the size of Minas-Tirith's walls.
>>98277443Heffalump is obviously just a fanciful name for the same animal. Minas-Tirith's walls were obviously not intended to be the exaggeratedly immense size of the ones depicted in the Jackson films. Just like Jackson's version of the elephants are far larger than real elephants.
>>98277431> anything GW releases people will buy and defend religiously so it doesn't actually mean anything of its quality. Like Pokémon.that is 100% true for 40k and warhammer fantasy, and 100% untrue for age of sigmar. age of sigmar stands on absolutely no merits except the quality of its models. there is no 40 year attachment to the lore and the setting, no legion of loretubers and content creators forging an army of secondaries, no successful video game franchises to bring people in.age of sigmar only sells because the models are good, nothing else, and helsmiths sold out of stock.
>>98277453>and 100% untrue for age of sigmar. age of sigmarName one faction launch that's actually flopped.They all sell out fast, with at most some stores having leftover army kits because Gitz being $200 for <10 figures was too much. Other than that you have what, Dominion? Skaventide slightly underperformed?>there's no AoSsloptubers shilling itOh you're an unserious person.
>>98277476Fyreslayers
>>98277492I honestly don't know what they were thinking with Fyreslayers conceptually. Making an entire faction out of the old Slayers just doesn't make any sense, not even with the new lore about them being gold-hungry bastards willing to work for anyone, even Chaos, if it earns them more magic gold. And they're definitely not going to resurrect Grimnir with that gold, everyone knows they're just going to mistakently revive the Beast Grimnir died to kill...
>>98277492Touché.
>>98277499It only doesnt make sense if you look at "Slayers" as its own standalone thing, and not at what it iss (redhead celtic barbarian dwarves), there was just not a guy at GW who took advantage of them, theres plenty of stuff one could make.They also suffer from stylistic issues of all GW kits at the time. They are naked multipart guys who have all the interchangable bits, including beards which makes them look weird and poses stunted
>>98277507>They also suffer from stylistic issues of all GW kits at the time.That being a confused asthetic as to whether or not the army was being designed for rank and flank or skirmish.
>>98277279I consider myself a chaos dwarf fan. I was a big-time chorf hyper for years. I even bought the Horns of Hashut and a bunch of Hobgrots in preparation for the big reveal. But the Helsmiths just suck to me. I don't like the hexagon motifs, I don't like the watermelon batteries, I don't like the emphasis on angular and clean shapes, and I really don't like the lack of actual chaos iconography. And their lore of "dude we are sooo above chaos and we just use it and totally don't worship it" is the kind of shit that plagues 40k chaos factions and makes me groan.But ultimately it's the shapes. It's hard to articulate without sounding crazy, but there are just angles and lines on the models that displease me. I just don't like looking at the shapes of the models. Also the daemon engine looks like comical shit.
>>98277313>non canon thing invented by another companyThey are canon, anon. >Our friends at Creative Assembly are bringing to life a raft of new units for Total War: Warhammer III, all based on designs from the rich imagination of the Warhammer Studio.>Warhammer Studio>The Tiger Warriors of Grand Cathay are settlers who long ago found a home in Western Cathay. They are sworn to serve Zhao Ming, the Iron Dragon and Master of the Western Provinces, but they remain wholly loyal to their chieftain Bhashiva and to their god, Kamau. They stand apart from the people of Grand Cathay, maintaining their own traditions and military structures. Legends tell that they were created in the distant past by the Old Ones.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/nj7lekk5/tiger-warriors-revealed-new-units-announced-for-total-war-warhammer-iii/
>>98277383>the fact that you cant articulate any meaningful differences between the two beyond shallow surface nuancesNot him but it's as simple as saying that the HoH models look like the sculptors were trying to fit as many hexagons onto the models as possible (this also happens with the new skaven models and triangles and the CoS models and diamonds) and the old designs didn't
>>98277533>CoS models and diamondshuh?
>>98277544"Diamond" may be the wrong word for it, but CoS models are swamped with squares tilted 45 degrees and angles that invoke them.
>>98277553thats called a square, maybe a rombus somewhere but they usually have equal sides
>>98277564That's a digression.
>>98277568I guess, but Triangles on Skaven(and have been present since forever) or Squares on CoS models are not nearly as prelevant on them as Hexagons on HoH. I was never a Chorf fan, but i dont like the HoH either for that reason too
>>98277513I can understand. The angular weapons just look out of place. The entire look is something straight from world of warcraft burning crusade.Im not sure how i feel about alot of refreshes lately, the chorf one took this direction but 40k orks and aos ogres have gone for this sort of weird realistically proportioned shrunken head but bigger bodies aesthetic. I think it works for the ogres but maybe thats because im not into them. As a longtime ork player i dont really like how orks to me now have a totally different look.
>>98277513Okay you know what? I (OP asking about the Helsmith hate) respect that. I've always liked the Chorfs but expected them to get a design overhaul if they were ever brought back, and while I feel like they captured most of what I think of as the key Chaos Dwarf elements (unlike the Azgorhs), I cannot judge someone else for going "not for me thanks".Maybe there'll eventually be some more traditional Chorfs for the Old World. Unlikely, but possible
Why so many people seem to hate this game?
>>98277644There's still a lot of people who parrot the 1e hate without realizing the game's become far better since the disastrous launchOr they played Total Warhammer a few times and think GW is evil for killing the unprofitable WHFB line
>>98277644when you enter the gw sphere you just come to hate everything. Its quite literally memed into the hobby at this point. It doesnt help gw doesnt have any actual good rule sets.
>>98277644People can't move on from a decade ago when they canned WHFB - especially the people who never played WHFB, play AoS, or were pre-puberty in that timeframe.
>>98277644People who are Fantasy fags hate AoS for "Killing fantasy"People who like AoS hate the rules changes
>>98277644I am rather disappointed in the game since 3rd edition, but I can't bring myself to hate it and wish more people would give it a fair shake.
>>98277658"killed" and then revived as The Old World.Age of Sigmar is just a continuation of the setting. For me it is non sense to complain about AoS because of Fantasy (unless we are talking about the game itself and not the setting, but then again ToW exists now) like a fan of Warcraft 2 complaining that first seasons of World of Warcraft has nothing to do with Warcraft 2 (while ignoring that Warcraft 3 changed the status quo from the setting and WoW is the final result).End Times is for Warhammer what warcraft 3 is for the warcraft franchise (or something like that).
>>98277781WoW heavily builts on Warcraft 3.End Times and Fantasy for AoS is the same as those lore factoids about Emperor being Napoleon or whatever in 40k
I still think gargants should be souped with ogors.
>>98277644It hasn't had a good video game yet. Good video games create fond memories for people who don't play tabletop, who are also most of the people talking about warhammer
Any word on when the Ogre glutton box is coming out?
>>98277977A month after the fomo box is out
>>98277644The are putting pants on the DOK.GW hates this game more any upset fan ever could.
>>98277796Napoleon Dynamite maybe
>>98277796End times for Fantasy is like saying Yokuda getting sword-nuked in a prior kalpa is a precursor to Arena.
Anyone have the battletome for orruk warclans?
I sometimes wonder how I made it into the Aos atmosphere despite never touching mtg or Warcraft in my lifetime. I don’t know what you people are on about sometimes.
There are no "hexagons" on HoH, they're minimalistic cow skulls
>>98274144Gutbusters. My army was built as a cannon happy mercenary company and I am praying that Leadbelchers and Ironblasters have some sort of successor unit otherwise I guess its off to old world and a rebasing spree.
>>98278509Rumor mill said nothing about Ironblasters getting the chop.A good number of people seem to think that Leadbelchers will end up becoming a type of, or 1/X unit for maneaters. Which would make a good deal of sense.
>>98278509>y army was built as a cannon happy mercenary companyYour army was based around a unit that had awful rules since pre ghb?
>>98278510God I hope so. I'd be fine with just taking one leadbelcher unit for once.>>98278511In lore? yes. I own 3 Ironblasters, 3 units of leadbelchers, 2 scraplaunchers and my tyrant was converted to haul around a cannon. They love blackpowder and style themselves as siege engineers for hire. The beastclaw section of my army are all the big beasties they use to run at the walls when they run out of gunpowder.Leadbelchers are the coolest fucking thing ever and I want Ogre gunlines to be a thing.
>>98278511Not him, but rule of cool.Rules are temporary, but models are decidedly less so, and it's far easier to weather a storm of bad rules when you actually like the units you're playing. It's why you can roughly predict what models will be cheap on ebay in roughly 6 months to a year's time.
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>>98278518It's pretty clear that GW has been flirting with the idea of maneaters becoming an actual thing for ogres for a while now, but they've held back on actually taking action that would let them Replacing the finecast for a while now. There's almost certainly at least a couple more units that haven't been shown off for the upcoming ogre book, and it would not be surprising at all if they just lumped all the gunpowder ogres under the maneater banner. There's already a rumored named maneater with a cannon for an arm or something so there's hope for another surprise reveal the rumor mill missed.
>>98278531Here. I snapped a picture of my Tyrant on the toaster because its where the light is best at this time of evening.He's not my best work, he's about 2 years old at this point? Maybe 3. But I like him, and he took a lot of conversion work. He's a splice of like 4 different models? The cannon is from Warmachine.
>>98278543>Here. I snapped a picture of my Tyrant on the toaster because its where the light is best at this time of evening.He's also aiming to squeeze in and eat the toast crumbs from the bottom of the toaster.
>>98278504Hell yeah
>>98278546He's a growing boy.But yeah that's Goldguts, greatest mercenary in the Mortal Realms. Running around with a looted Kharadron deckgun that he uses like a shotgun.He's pretty shit in play, but I always take him anyway. Boss has gotta keep an eye on the boys.
Joining a ravaged coast campaign soonish. Any tipps for a Sons setup? I just go gatebreaker+warstomper and take all the fun out of everyone playing against me, right?
>>98278504God bless our gluttons God bless the great mawAnd gentlemen, START, YOUR, ENGINES
>>98277355Nuchorfs are, I would say, more mesopotamian than the previous iterations.I don't really like the new designs that much either but this particular criticism has always been retarded, and nobody has ever managed to substantiate it when I ask for specifics.
>>98278732>more mesopotamian than the previous iterations.how?
>>98278752>how he asks>about the army inscribed with Mesopotamian cuneiform script
>>98278564im gonna be honest with you sons of behemat really have no place in a narrative campaign or a grow league except as special event boss battles or somethingits like starting a for funsies 40k campaign with friends and one guy sets down two imperial knights.
>>98278769Yes, how I ask, because you can add cuneiform to anything
>>98278752Off the top of my head:-"narrow" beards instead of sprawling bushy ones-maces, mesopotamians love their maces (even if mostly ceremonial)-cuneiform everywhereIt's nothing major mind you (at least compared to ~4th edition chorfs, the forgeworld guys are barely mesopotamian to begin with)But the visuals are very clearly still there, saying that they lost their assyrian influences or whatever is just strange, and again I've never seen somebody back it up with details when asked.Now mind you, I don't necessarily think these changes are always 100% positive. I prefer the wide bushy beards of 4th edition chorfs over the newer more narrow ones. Or it probably makes more sense for dwarfs to use spears than axes in combat, but I still like seeing axes more than spears on dwarfs, because it's just so dwarfy if that makes sense.
>>98278797You got told and said it doesn't count. You GW slurper.
>>98278543clean your toaster you dirty tramp Skaven player
>>98278543the gun is cool as fuck, also, isnt the pirate maneater's gun also looted KO tech?
>>98278804Told what? I'd like to see it.>gw slurperI just said I don't even like nuchorfs you illiterate retard
>>98278792congrats you win the gold medal for mental gymnastics, you successfully avoided every brain cell in the skull. bravo
>>98278837Behold, this rhino is now more mesopotamian than the previous chaos dwarfs.That's how dumb you are.
Someone’s resorting to his 5 year old arguments again
>>98278855I mean, the previous Chorfs didnt even have that, they were just short Chaos Warriors
>>98278837I feel like sometimes people feel the need to give some grand justification as to why they do or do not like something (in this case models), because for whatever reason they don't feel comfortable saying "I just do" when most of the time that's simply how humans work.So you'll get a bunch of justifications people like to cling to, historical ""accuracy"" being a very common one. So yeah like in this case you'll get people who (very understandbly) don't like helsmiths but needing a post-hoc explanation for it like "wow they're not assyrian anymore", despite not being able to actually give any examples on how they're now less assyrian.When pressed about it this predictably causes a melty because they're now exposed as a fraud, when all of this could have been avoided by a simple "just don't like em". Sad!
>>98278866Except for exactly 1 guy with a tall hat*
>>98278855This rhino is now more mesopotamian than previous rhinos.Just like in a vacuum slapping cuneiform on chaos dwarfs makes them more mesopotamian than chaos dwarfs without cuneiform.Of course, there's multiple elements that make chaos dwarfs mesopotamian, and just because it is more mesopotamian because of one element, doesn't mean it is more mesopotamian overall, because potentially the other elements of the design could have their mesopotamia-ness reduced. We would all be very grateful if you were able to name some of these other elements where -in your view- the mesopotamia-ness was reduced, because right now you just look like a retard.
>>98278866>>98278868Their mesopotamian inspirations were apparent in the multiple headgears and the style of beard all over the range as well as the choice of monster, it's not difficult.The newer models gave up on these types of hats for angular proprietary ones, reduced the focus on the beards for modularity and inclusivity, and still have to include the lammasu.You can argue that the new chaos dwarfs still have some mesopotamian inspirations, and the cuneiforms certainly help, but they are not enough and they definitely do not make them more mesopotamian than the old chaos dwarfs, not even close.
>>98278886these were the previous chaos dwarves?
>>98278886Was talking about these guys
>>98275209>>98275235>>98275249The current Tyrant is quite small. He would look like a dwarf next to a human if you put both the old and new Tyrants next to each other. New Ogors are much bigger.
I just dont like smiths because they tried to attempt to look like both fantasy and lotr dwarves (both from a lore and meta sense I guess) and I already hate old world dwarves all around. Also the soul gems could have just been braziers or something idk.
>>98278913Not really, new one just has a straigher back, and looks a bit thinner
>>982776441 edition was trashCurrent edition is trashModels are greatGameplay is boringSpearhead is awesomeSo it's like 50/50
>>98278922Wrong comparison, they even state in the preview that new Ogors are much bigger. The old one is scaled to old Gluttons and is going to look a head shorter.
>>98277279They look like complete shit and are stereotypical of many of the AOS designs. Lots of nonsensical garbage (wtf is even that weapon) and they're absurdly angular like most modern aos models so they can be very easily painted by retards with contrasts and easy edge highlights.Old chaos dwarfs fans don't need nuslop, they either buy the old models or 3D proont
What's up with ironguts and gluttons model count reduction? Are they going to finally have better saves ? Perhaps 4+ and 3+ respectively.Kind feels like GW want 4th to be the last edition to hold any whacky DNA the previous ones had, save for a few picks
>>98278930>What's up with ironguts and gluttons model count reduction?Shrinkflation
>>98278929maybe its the paint scheme but these arent looking much better. I feel like the lighter your scheme is for a dwarf the more shit they look due to their proportions.
>>98278930>What's up with ironguts and gluttons model count reduction? easier to balance around. 5-10-20 is the golden spot. Sometimes you'll get the odd two man, which is also manageable.
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>>98278926Minicompare is going off of base sizes
>>98278930They are very big boys now and one of the biggest draw of the army was low model count so GW doubled down. I expect their stats to go up as well.
>>98278886The new beards are closer to what assyrian or babylonian beards would've looked like, less bushy and more rigid. See >>98278797The hats of the oldchorfs are an approximation of babylonian headwear, just like the new ones are. Neither is very close to what babylonians would've had, though I will grant that the 4th edition designs are probably closer due to their roundedness.(Because the new hats aren't really hats, they're helmets, so in a stupid roundabout way you could argue that nuchorf hats probably look closer to what a babylonian SOLDIER would've worn but whatever that's nitpicking a nitpick)Llamasu is fair enough, but that's not a design problem, it's more a range size one. They're mentioned in the battletome.
>>98278961I rather trust the preview guys than mini compare's guess. I guess we'll see who was right soon enough.
>>98278930Elite units are 3s and 5th, normal ones are 5s and 10s, and hordes are 10s and 20s, Ogres were in 4th and 6th because of how old sprues worked
>>98278923The difference between 1st and 3rd edition is >points at launch that's about it. AoS was solid on launch, it's just that a community built on a MtG/video game adjacent scene rather than wargames couldn't tolerate a year without points (despite most not getting into the game with SCE and Khorne, so it was more like three months wait for most) Mystic shield was +1 save, then rrs in 2e, then +1 save again in 3e. That's the biggest change.
>>98278970Why though? Warhammer community lies and gets shit wrong constantly.
>>98278926>they even state in the preview that new Ogors are much biggerThey're selling the product, they're not being objective.
>>98278930Gluttons were 3-6 base on sprues Ironguts were 2-4 increments of 5 and 3 are just standard now
>>98278829Yeah, the pirate Ogre has a Thunderer double barrel rifle with the aether tube tied off and regular bullets forced in. Same kit with the blast shield cap I used.
>>98278985minicompare got CoS Gargant scales wrong. It's just a slopjob, they presume and rush it out to capitalise
>>98278984The difference is also the pure amount of actual content. 1st ed SC armybook had 18 mount just traits, not mentioning stuff like factional battleplans
>>98278996So they're both untrustworthy pieces of shit and we should wait until the unboxing videos to see.
>>98278997tbf the first wave of 1e material pre GHB had nothing but warscrolls. Artefacts were originally only from campaign rewards. Battle traits didn't exist either, it was reliant on battalions for such - that's why the microfaction complaint is a lie. There was no Fyreslayers army in 1e pre GHB. Late 1e is peak, though. Malign Sorcery >>>>>
>Hobgrot grenades >Horns of Hashut flamethrowers and grenades HoH: magic demon balls that power up weapons
>>98279070The watermelons are by far the worst part of the helsmiths I agree.Also in hindsight it's funny how many people were worried they'd look too much like the horns of hashut
>>98279074I mean I guess they are naked retards. And chaos is kind full of that rn, nevermind dwarves.
>>98279074You can't win with fake chorffags either way, though I'm sure the real chorf fans intimately familiar with thumb tacks/push pins are happy
New Quarterly Battlescroll Updates, with Scourge of Asqhy:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dwshnd8s/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-quarterly-battlescroll-updates/
>>98279122>deepkin changesNice
Alright they barely changed tzeentch in a meaningful way so this does nothing for me internally. Time to figure out how cities and gits work because that’s all I’ve been playing into recently.
>>98279122Scourge of aqshy scrolls aren't there yet are they? Article days they're coming later today >>98279135Something that buffs namarti, say it ain't so
>>98279122Gobsprakk dispells with 3d6 everytime now, not even once per turn. NiceSkumdrekk is a Hero monster for 150, embarassing.I hope we get the same alt scroll for gnashtooth
It's funny because I expect TOW to get some classic 2nd and 3rd edition Chorfs, whereas AoS got something reminiscent of the Assyrian variety instead. The fact they produce the Helcannon and not anything FW for Chorfs probably confirms it, as the crew are classic Chorfs but the big hat ones
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>>98279122these are the new SoA scrolls:>ORDER>CoSZenestraAlchemite warforger>DoKMelusai IronscaleBloodhags>FSruneson on magmadrothflameseekers>IDKtidecasternamarti reavers (bow guys)>KOnull-khemistendrinriggers>Luminethstonemagescinari loreseeker>lizardsscar-vet on aggradonslann>stormiesiridanstormstrike palladors>sylvanethtreelord ancientkurnoth hunters with greatswords>CHAOS>khorneblood warriorsbloodletters>tzeentchogroid thaumaturgescreamers>slaaneshinfernal enrapturessblissbard seekers>helsmithsdaemonsmith on taurusanointed sentinels>nurgleblightkings (please be good)sloven knights>skavengreyseer on bellverminlord corrupter>stdlord on karakdrakchaos warriors>DEATH>fecroyal decapitatorvarhulf>nighthauntblack coackspirit host>ossiarchsvokmortianmortis reapers>gravelordsvengorian lordrevenant draconith>DESTRUCTION>gitsfellwater troggothssunsteala chariots>ironjawsmegabossbrutes>kruleboyzkillaboss on gnashtoofkillaboss on foot>ogresfrostlord on thundertuskhuskard on thundertusk>gargantsgatebreaker megamancrusher
>paramoursOh so they're a polycule, that's neat
>>98279261That sounds supremely boring. Just small chaos warriors>>98279289I feel like it's more of a harem situation
>>98279297To each their own I'm partial to them and intend to convert HoH to be just that pretty much
>>98279286>thaumaturge >again I’m not running the assless chap dude gw. Also fuck me for wanting to play a mortal only list huh.
>>98279303Don't get me wrong there's nothing wrong with the aesthetic, just feels a bit redundant when you already have chaos warriors as a range.Don't pre-assyrian chorfs have some japanese influences here and there? With like the facemasks on the bazooka guys or something like that?
>>98279368I personally belive that GW should have stopped with "Look old thing" and just made Chaos Dwarfs a couple units for S2D with the iron golems aesthetic
>>98279390Problem is look old thing is generally a safer bet money wise.It's why they keep bringing back whfb demon princes for example. Also helps that they can cash in on some extra potential total war zoomerbucks that way.
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>>98279390STD is a boring army and HoH are great, so this opinion is incomprehensible to me.
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>>98279093I'm sure the true scotsmen are happy
I just don't understand this LARP where we're pretending Nu-Chorfs are not a super popular and successful army.
>>98279122>Lord-Vigilant on Gryphstalker is 120. 120.>Lord-Vigilant on Morrgryph is 160.When will GW realize that it's not the fucking points that are the issue here? And I think the Gryphstalker lord began the edition at like fuckin 220.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/yqfizsmh/prepare-for-the-new-generals-handbook-with-scourge-of-aqshy/
>>98279566So they’re doing them in batches? K.
>>98279566what the fuck was the point of this article lol
>>98279286>>kruleboyz>killaboss on gnashtoof>killaboss on footI'm assuming the cavalry hero keeps his kidnapping ability, which is nice. Can't possibly fathom what they'll do with the infantry one.
>>98279593>Can't possibly fathom what they'll do with the infantry one.
>>98279544They seem like a pretty polarizing army. The people that are into em are really into em but the people who aren't hate them and can not possibly conceive of anybody liking them.
>>98279122>IDKThis change is going to get overhyped and people will soon realize it barely does anything because namarti still blow chunks.>LRLMy list went up 110 points. Cool.And what the fuck are those SoA unit picks?
>>98279712>And what the fuck are those SoA unit picks?there's some weird ones for suree.g. what the fuck do we need another zenestra scroll for ?
>>98279720They said some SoG units would be recycled.
>>98279734Doing that by just having it take up a scourge of aqshy "slot" is the worst way possible they could've gone about that. Some real monkey paw shit.
>>98279566That art looks half finished
>>98279742It legitimately impresses me how GW is consistently able to surpass people’s worst case scenarios.
>>98279755Flashbacks to the new idoneth wave rumours
>>98279765Yeah, tell me about it…
>>98279734Ah. That explains Fyreslayers too then.
>>98279544Chorfs have always been a niche thing, it's a very niche idea. That's why they've been gone for so long? I think Fyreslayers have more appeal because barbarians, slayers, etc are a broader concept.
>>98279860>I think Fyreslayers have more appealbro...
>>98279286>black coach againanyone wanna bet its just the soggy version reprinted?>annointed sentinels>scar-vet on aggradonsaw that coming from a mile away
>intern fucked up and put the DoK and LRL updates a day beforebless their heart
>>98279968Why are they even stretching out these changes for a whole week anyway?
>>98279968classic gw
>>98280016This is the rushed schedule. Last year it was one army a day.
>>98279566Finally hit me why I don't like 4e rules. It's not just that the same modifiers and the same benefits are just thrown into every army, it's that battle traits for armies are underwhelming for the most part and many units don't even interact with them. The lrl scrolls you could remove all the name references and it could apply to literally any army. Everything is so homogenized that giving a certain tool to another army isn't a big deal or interesting because every army can do most everything.Layered ontop of that is the fact that because abilities are so lacklustre in general, you do yourself a massive disservice taking many heroes instead of more hammers. Most abilities in themselves don't change how you play, so there really isn't a strong argument for playing pet units because they're both boring and bad.
>>98280037I guess they didn't want anything to overlap with the Armageddon stuff for 40k
Splendid news for BCRhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/j9tyypbg/stalk-shoot-and-skin-with-brand-new-ogor-hunters/
>>98280054what the fuck lmao why didn't they just show these friday
another reveal>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/j9tyypbg/stalk-shoot-and-skin-with-brand-new-ogor-hunters/
>>98280054It's not Winterbite snow ninja shenanigans but it's nice.
>>98280054So there that rumour engine for the crossbow crossed off
>>98280062Because then they wouldn't be able to show them today.
>>98280065Oh shit. This might actually be my favorite unit so far, they look great.
>>98280054I really like the little vulture pet. Also like the frost sabre redesign.Also maybe this is copium but they're different enough from leadbelchers that we might see those return in the future too
>>98280054>instant reveal?I won't whine, but I'm confused, are they rushing things up because it's all close already?
>>98280054Crossbows are for WHIMPS, but t his does mean I can keep leadbelchers as "ranged ogor" I'll just slap some wolves with em or something.
>>98280054that's undeniably an ogress
>>98280104They said they would have more things to show so this isn't really a surprise.
>>98280054>troll headuh oh, do they know or?
>>98280054They look amazing and I'm so glad we're getting what are essentially new Sabretusks, the old ones were godawful
Where are the gnoblars
>>98280125Is it ever elaborated upon exactly how troll/troggoth regeneration works?
>>98280151Almost certainly gone and I'm not complaining
>>98280151ate em all sorry
>>98280054Realy good models
>>98280151Bad Moon caused them to mutate like Shadowmoor Bogarts and they became green piranha on legs. Ogors didn't realy mind being eaten alive by a swarm of them but becuse they ate all the food their masters left them behind
>>98280125>snack that grows back between mealsPerfect
>>98280054BCR are done for :(
>>98280103The boole leak says Leadbelchers left ogres together with maneaters after a little schism they had, and Maneater update releasae wave with the named characters is supposed to come later.Would be weird to release a named character and only a single unit of maneaters with them, my gut is telling me the Leadbelchers will be rebranded into a type of maneater, and come with their update
>>98280192>replace leadbelchers with hunters>>bcr are done for :(huh?
>>98280054Where are his boots though?Hope they're not locked behind a regiment with this chud
>>98280054Genuinely awful, just like the rest of this "refresh". I'm fucking seething.
>>98280223He's sneakier becuse he doesn't have boots to make noise
>>98280223He still looks like a drooling retard though...
>>98280157it just does, the legend of grombrindal has trolls growing from the drops of blood of a mythical trollfather, grom the paunch was perpetually fat and at the risk of exploding because the chunk of troll meat he ate keeps opposing the digestive juices.there are ways for trolls to be cooked, the dwarfs do it, and I'm sure ogres have strong enough stomach to manage even regenerating flesh, but carrying around a head like that might be trouble.
>>98280054I really liked the shawl on this maulerbeast guy, happy to see hunters also have em. I guess the maulerbeast rangers are basically just mounted hunters then.
>>98280223the pitbulls really stand out now
>>98280286Why is this vulcher painted like a chicken? Or am i retarded?
>>98280339I wanted to call you retarded, but i see it too
>>98280339I dunno what the fuck chickens look like in your neck of the woods, but I think this fella was the inspiration
>>98280339Are you under the impression that Vultures can't have white feathers?
Not bad so far.
>>98280348>>98280344They can have white dethers, but i never seen one with a yellow beak and red comb
>>98280223>Buy Hunters >Convert to count as Bloodpelt >Slap the remaining two on Stonenorns >Free Sabretusks for other games
>>98280358I think vultures can have pretty funky face colours or whatever that's called
>>98280354Missing me Maneatersgive 'em
>>98280354So far we're up to 8 new kits with 10 different warscrolls right?Being bumped up to 10/13 if the rumoured mounted tyrant dual build and maneater hero are indeed coming.
>>98280358it's clearly a fantasy bird, looks like a parrot beak to me?
>>9828044010-12 new kits is the zone GW almost always shoots for, so it fits.
I think Ogors are movin away from their winter theaming
>>98280458I don't think so, but units are not BCR nor Gutbuster specific anymore I suppose. BCR might just be a battle formation.
>>98280458And is a shame I always considered BCR the best half. And the dichotomy between Great Maw and Hungering Predator with the Everwinter was great.
>>98280458? There's an entire tyrant alt build dedicated to bcr
>>98280354Man I hope they will remake the firebelly
>>98280722Maybe as a UW warband?
>>98280458I don't think you're paying attention:>the tyrant has an alt build for pelts>the cavalry has an alt build for hunters>leadbelchers have been replaced by hunters>the maw has been pushed into a third subfactionit very much is a movement towards ice age ogres, more than a movement away from them, it's just that the studio paintjob can't be snow themed to make the scheme look easier to kids, and to make the models look less out of place in the majority of photoshoots they do with other armies
>>98280733I guess it's more likely than a standalone, but you never know. It is fairly distinct
>>98280736I am not a fan of the earrings on this dude
>>98280736The Maulbeasts and Glutthorn are not ice age creatures nor suitable for cold climates though
>>98280857I just know these are going to be tokens with some dog shit anti-thematic rules like sacrifice 1 to use a command without a cp being spent
>>98280857That's another female ogre sculpt for the unit leader. So gluttons have 3, gutseers/ cleavers have 1, hunters have 1, and then the rumored maneater. Not sure about the butcher, its so gigafat its hard to tell if its a female or a fat korean.
Bloodpelt better get ice breath this time if the Icebrow got yeeted I expect a proper Icebrow with a Sabretusk or two later though
>>98280857A more suitable color scheme will go a very long way even without thick fur sculpted on them.
>>98280876>I expect a proper Icebrow with a Sabretusk or two later thoughwhy? you got the unit, the bloodpelt and the underworlds guy
>>98276502god I wish I lived in a place where warhammer second hand market existed
>>98280883I think I'll just sculpt some. Not a full coverage but patches at the ends and top so the mind reads it as thin fur like a dachshund or something I'll swap the heads for Mournfangs too maybe
>>98280888Underworlds guy is designed like old ogres and I doubt they'll change the Bloodpelts fluff though like I said it would be nice It's just a given I think. You have Hunters, mounted Hunters, but no Hunter hero save an older model. Definitely pity hero tier expansion territory down the line or an UW warband
>>98280896>I'll swap the heads for Mournfangssame, they just can't seem to get those right. Still waiting for the big beasties before committing. We've seen the rhino thing but I'm hoping for a proper stonehorn.
>New Hunters >New Frost Sabres >TOW is getting a mammoth and perhaps more Norsca monsters
>>98280054I was expecting it to be a tow ir 40k reveal, kinda pleased with this
>>98280927AoS has had better tow releases than tow for some time now
If/when they do release new maneaters, do you think they'll still be in wacky themed outfits?
>>98280974>wacky themed outfitsI do but I'd rather have the options to give each model a different whacky outfit One could be pirate, one could be a Fyreslayer, one could be an Ironjaw, that sort of thing
>>98280974Would be funny seeing them adopt lumineth asthetics but seeing how a vast majority of the setting is influenced by chaos…
>>982809741 per GA in unit of 4.SCE, Nighthaunt, Kruleboyz and Skaven would be the most meta
>>98280354the ironguts really concern me that they are going to be monopose with only those 3 poses. they havent shown off any alternate builts or weapons for them. even when they managed to show alternate riders for the cavalry.
>>98281005Tbf riders are a whole different war scroll.
Thank fuck, just a shame Duardin and Aelf didn't get them either
>>98280983How about a sylvaneth one that's just wearing a hollowed out tree trunk like a bankruptcy barrel
>>98280974They might stick exclusively to something vaguely piratical or vaguely free city-ish instead of drawing from multiple different cultures
As cool as the new stuff is, where are the new ogor dice.
>>98281005Hunters are the same, though they do have head options. I think the arms and heads will be easy to chop off and swap
>>98280157there's actually a really funny squad in warmachine called troll whelps, which are what happens when a trolls body part gets severed, it grows back a whole little retarded gremlin troll and you can tell which body part it was because it's disproportionately huge.the other trolls eat them for snacks, and the really huge mega gargant sized trolls actually constantly shed whelps from their flesh emerging like sentient zits
>>98281035City ogors get thinned down tho. Probably won’t be that.
>>98281042That’s actually pretty damn creative.
>>98281013This means you can't take Dispossessed in Allies of the Free Cities, where they could buff Fyreslayers
>>98281019Stick some twigs in his hair and a birds nest on top of his head and its perfect
>>98281042Pet Gribblies
>>98281051here you can see one coming out of the shoulder area.
Just got into the painting side of things so I don’t play yet but I’m so confused seeing that the GWS games get constant paid rulebook updates. Seems like not just a horrible way to get new players onboard but also just a nightmare for anyone at all to play and stay up to date on. Do people generally like this style of development?
>>98281073It's actually mostly online only rules now but historically you would play by the book you had whether it was out of date or not because who cares, there isn't a tournament organiser around
>>98281073Aos/40k do too with ghb and whatever the 40k one is called with its deck.
>>98281084liar you have to play 2k legal points and faq or you won't play with anyone else I wont allow it. we are wargamers not playing pretend barbies
>>98281005the cavalry is two whole different units, it's not just a weapon options thingthough yess I'm concerned for ironguts too, I really want them to have variety because to me they're the best of the bunch
I really really like this model.
>>98281145you can't even see the clipping at this resolution
>Huskard and Frostlord SoA warscrolls >3 artefacts and 3 monstrous traits Interesting
>>98280722>>98280733>firebelly surrounded by 3 or 4 little kakamora dudesLaunch it
Wait why the fuck is the new ogroid 210 points
>>98281038I ate them
>>98281042Which one has the disproportionally huge dick?
>>98281073Everyone hates the constant erratas/updates yes. Especially since they tend to make the balance worse in the long run as they kneejerk patch shit
>>98281052God forbid.
>>98281361excuse me for liking something as it has been for the entirety of it's existence until now
>>98281406Oh no I agree with you, meant to be sarcasm as in: "god forbid non-humans get some form of interaction."
>>98281005I'm sure there'll at least be a few weapon and head options so you can built 3 normal guys to reinforce the unit
>>98280867Butcher has nips on full display, no way its a woman
>>98281513I feel like they would've shown someThey show at least one alternate head option
>>98281045City ogre doesnt equal a Maneater working for cities. Conscription vs Mercenrary freelancer
>>98280054Damn, already? I guess the fatties are dropping sooner than anticipated.
>>98281589Still missing like 2-3 kits to be shown off, so maybe 2 weeks from now till the fomo box gets announced.
>skarbrand goes up 20 pointsBut why
>>98281597I fully anticipate there to be more than just the 2-3 kits that were in the rumor mill. We already got one thing shown off that was completely missed by it, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there were one or two more. Maneaters would be my guess
>>98281621The rumour did say "more fatty things" which is I suppose what boole calls things he doesn't immediately recognize from whfb like the butcher unitsManeaters in fact were specifically called out as something that would come "later", possibly in 5th.
How would you paint the ogors to be more grimdark
>>98281633All the blood is now cum. Reddit rides around with a couldron of cum while his cum covered warriors charge into battle
>>98281633Make them dirty and grimy around the folds stretch marks scars and wrinkles
>>98281632Probably EoE then. Though there is a chance they got pushed up somehow.
>>98281621>We already got one thing shown off that was completely missed by it,what? boole did mention butcherS, plural
>>98281633inhuman cold skintone, blood all over, scars all over, very oxidized and blood-caked weapons, use sea elephants as point of reference for the skin and scar tissues
I hope TOW eventually releases the monopose Stabbas
>>98281633>GrimdarkWhy would you do that, grimdark paint jobs look like ass.
>>98281733Are they worth anything I have a shit ton of these from lot buys on ebay back in the hayday. I don't think I'll ever do anything with them.
>>98277300>posts a custom sculpted, golden demon winner paintjob having model to prove his point
>>98281778It depends. I don't think they usually listed differently from the regular kit but I'd play a premium if I saw them, though obviously not a tonne more
>>98281896>>98281896>>98281896
>>98280262what you mean trouble? It's free snacks for life, you just gotta keep cutting small bits off it like some kind of infinite cured sausage
