Stupid question, but yeah.I mean if you're a vampire you can't exactly hold down a job.
>>98282674Politics.
>>98282674>I mean if you're a vampire you can't exactly hold down a job.You have literally infinite time to acquire enough land and wealth to make your money work for you
>>98282674They work graveyard
>>98282674>Be five hundred years old.>Still broke.I'd just walk into sunlight at that point.
>>98282674Early phase: theft, supernatural charisma, troubleshooting for powerful patrons, living on the bohemian fringes (music and art). Mid phase: mafia style control over businesses, early wealth in trust, acquiring power and money from rivals defeated. Late phase: shadow control over megacorps, political influence, aristocratic generational wealth, etc.
>>98282674They don't have the normal expenses of mortals, they will usually develop a more long term view of goals and achievements, and their supernatural powers often give them an edge over their mortal counterparts.
>>98282674Investments + no time limit = rich.
The vampire can get some starter cash by robbing their victims of more than blood. In a more modern setting you could even extend that into the vamp hypnotizing people into giving up their bank info or cryptokeys. If the vampire has some sort of mind controlled minion ala Renfield, well the Renfield might have a day job. Going past that, the vampire can start or take over existing businesses (perhaps with their minion as the daytime overseer), both of the legal and illegal variety, and start making conventional investments. Of course, they will need to take measures to keep access to those over long periods of time without drawing suspicion. If vampires exist, there is a decent chance that various government agencies are aware of them and are on the look out for such banking anomalies. For that matter, the heads of some of those glownigger agencies might be older, stronger vampires who want younger vamps under their firm control.
I think a world where vampires are poor and wretched leeches and werewolves are wealthy clans with huge estates could be fun.To answer the question, Dracula was wealthy because he was a count before he was a vampire. Wealth is not inherent to vampires.
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>>98282674As a vampire, you would already by engaging in assault and theft to maintain your existence, whilst simultaneously avoiding those who would put you down either for the former crimes or simply for being a vampire. Deciding to draw the line at not robbing the people you kill is the sort of mindset that results in post-mortem sunbathing.
>>98282674>I mean if you're a vampire you can't exactly hold down a job.Which is exactly why most vampires are rich. If you don't already have enough money to live off of the proceeds of an investment portfolio when you get turned, you probably won't last long.
>>98282783>you would already by engaging in assault and theft to maintain your existenceNot necessarily, depending on type of vampiric folklore seducing/enthralling people to willingly offer you their blood and/or hospitality may be an option.
>>98282705Had me chuckle.>>98282674Works in reverse - since Polidori, vampires are a symbol for parasitical nobility.That being said, you can easily rationalize it. The saner vampires are cold-minded enterpreneurs with a long view, centuries to get wealthy and presumably a selection bias (only the fittest manage to stay "alive" and possibly even just being selected for undeath). Also, style over mindless squandering - your average rich vampire is no Trump wasting his money on golden decor everywhere but he does have a nice old money mansion with timeless furniture (maybe decades old but well mantained). This is not even considering their powers and mad charm skills.In Masquerade it's not even particulary true, like half of vampires are hobos with an attitude. Dracula himself is undobutly rich but he doesn't go bling bling on the streets of London.
Sell shit to collectors. Hold on to any piece of garbage long enough and it will become valuable.
>>98282674They're old money. They start rich then become vampires.
>>98282849I kinda wanna go play a a self-made vampire now, like he was vampirized when he was broke, he made it in a century or two and now he rants against trust-fund newborn vamps
Image copyright. You get tons of money as image rights from videogames and series.
>>98282865Nope, due to age you're public domain.
>>98282674>forgoing mortal expenses to save money>make thralls and have them earn money for you>be a landlord because you bought up tons of property centuries ago and and can now charge modern rent rates>identity theft on anyone you kill>medicaid fraud because you're old enough to collect the checks and anyone who shows up to ask questions either dies, gets hypnotically turned away, shooed off by your powerful connections, or turned into a thrall>long-term investing>threats, extortion, blackmail, etc
>>98282870So's your mum
>>98282766Of all things, in WTF there is something of that. In the Rockies there is a rivalry between the two alpha packs, and they're both stocked (perhaps not filthy rich, but definitely upper class). We're talking new money tough, IIRC.
>>98282674What makes you think they wouldn't be wheeling and dealing with their powers? You give me money and resources and those people you want gone get to be my dinner. Win/win in my book.There is also the vanilla route of promising immortality and power to some myopic wealthy patron and string them along until you no longer need them or, in the rare instances their usefullness extends to making them like yourself, you make good on your promise.
>>98282674Brainwash rich people into falling in love with you
>>98282876>medicaid fraud because you're old enough to collect the checks and anyone who shows up to ask questions either dies, gets hypnotically turned away, shooed off by your powerful connections, or turned into a thrall100% not memeing, there is actually a small and secretive division within the Social Security Administration called the "Centenarian Project" that goes around investigating anyone who is still collecting benefits after turning 100 to make sure they're still alive.Typically, this either finds a normal extremely old person or ends with them arresting some redneck who's been fraudulently collecting benefits while grandma is buried out back, but if there really was a vampire coven trying to game the system, this would quickly escalate into a full-scale SWAT raid burning down the vamp's house Waco style.
>>98282952Wise vampires charm and quitely kill lonely old ladies exactly for the purpose of this not happening, anon.
>>98282952Honestly, that sounds like a cool as fuck Delta Green plot.
>>98282930classic
>>98282674Some sort of theft. Whether it's usurping a powerful position or looting the slum victims for change, unless there's a massive change to the vampire's traditional powerset as an immortal undead it doesn't have much incentive to spend, let alone opulently.Shoot, the one in my campaign plugged a kingdom's power vacuum by rallying the military to hold the castle and defend the citizens from undead mages thinking they're something special. The kingdom has since declined to a ruin with a population of scarcely in the low-thousands propped up by charitable fungus farms, so being "rich" for living in a high-cost building (defensive stronghold) is a stretch.
Imagine investing in the stock market the day it opened and living long enough to see SpaceX stock and Bitcoin. You'd be richer than god ffs.
>>98282674Target eccentric or feared gentry or peerage whose domain, mansion and/or stronghold is in a remote location, bonus points if it is on inhospitable terrain. Drink everyone on site and claim their property and treasure, assuming the master's/mistress's identity. Rinse and repeat if the material wealth runs dry, and/or you need to climb the social ladder. Be your own heir, through the ages.In the current day, be a highly paid assassin.
>>98282674Traditional games?
>>98282952Wasn't there something like this for Japan, but mainly for having "number of old people" bragging rights?
>>98282876>medicaid fraud because you're old enough to collect the checks and anyone who shows up to ask questions either dies, gets hypnotically turned away, shooed off by your powerful connections, or turned into a thrall"We are currently experience high call volumes, please call back later."
>>98282674I pay vampire hookers to super suck me
>>98282796Seducing/enthralling and extorting people would also result in you now having that person's savings and resources at your disposal. You're leeching off them in one way or another. Hypnosis arguably makes it even easier than if you're just killing people in dark alleyways, because it means you could just turn someone wealthy into your thrall and get all the money that way.
>>98283335Kind of. Japan had an issue where the death of the elderly were not reported due to pension fraud that was only revealed after someone went to congratulate Tokyo's oldest man only to find that he had been dead for 30 years after secluding himself and him family left his chambers untouched.
>>98282674Are vampires having a media resurgence right now?I would love if they are and would love some sources of inspiration to doing vampires right.
>>98282779Yeah, that
>>98283865>you have to eat all of the burgers
>>98282710>shadow control over megacorpsSpeaking of which, do you think vampires would be more environmentally friendly due to expecting to live to see the more dire long term effects o
>>98283183kill yourself, autistic retard
>>98282674Ask Bill Gates.
>>98284051You first, nogames faggot.
>>98282674Compounding interests over several centuries.
>>98282674Blood money.
>>98284714Has interest on savings "always" been a thing?We have evidence that loaning money on interest goes way back, but bank saving for the masses as we know it today should be relatively recent invention.
>>98282862Its not a time period I care about much but >The Great Gatsby but vampires could be interesting. The time skips between ages still being part of a ttrpg vampire game is an interesting aspect I haven't seen much use of, its largely WoD knock offs.
>>98282674Do you think you get rich by working a job?
>>982826741. Eternal life means an eternity of asset appreciation, so vampires can hold vast quantities of land in their estate, hoard paintings and artwork made by contemporary masters, and collect rents as landlord or invest as shareholders. Faking your death and taking over as your "son" every few decades isn't that hard. 2. With their supernatural charm and hypnotic gaze, you don't even need to steal to get fabulously wealthy, just some bog standard insider trading will get you easy millions. If you're in a rush or somebody has pissed you off, you can mind control them and liquidate their entire fortune and launder it through hard assets or crypto, or just turn them into a blood-bound slave and walking wallet3. If you're young, dumb, and impatient and unwilling to do any of the above, just be an immortal undead thug who's bullet-proof and capable of walking through walls to rob the mob or cartels or an underground casino or something, the first million is always the hardest, once you've ripped a few wall safes full of cash and diamonds open with your bare hands you can go legit and do steps 1 and 2Any vampire who's poor and struggling is doing so by choice.
>>98283865I was going to post something from Mayonaka Punch, but I guess you beat me to it. Given Yuki's background, what sort of TTRPGs do you think she would be into? Something old from the 1970s (that still seems new to her) or something more modern?
>>98282674Long term investments. Just wait 300 years bro.
>>98282674Same way anyone has gotten rich for the last 10,000 years: take shit. Just take whatever. Nobody will actually stop you.The law only exists to protect people with money and power, so stack up enough, quick enough, and you’re fine.Vampires aren’t a Marxist critique of wealth and nobility, they’re an instruction manual. Kill people and take their shit, make friends in high places and get some good lawyers.
>>98285425She's Japanese, so Call of Cthulhu.
>>98285425>>98285807Everyone in Japan plays Call of Cthulhu, and only a small handful of people branch out to stuff like Sword World. D&D is literally actually dead and out of print, but the publisher that used to have the license to localize it turned the 5e rules into a platform like OGL so Hasbro quadruple fucked themselves.
>>98282674They usually start out as nobility to begin with. Also they have plenty of ghoul servants willing to work for free.
>>98282779
>>98284631Why do you think that? Vampires appear in plenty of traditional games. I am literally running one.Why don't you apply to be a janny, autist? Could it be you were already rejected? You can't do anything but seethe over threads you don't like.
>>98282674Being legally dead and "alone" would be the main problem, but with a potentially infinite lifespan, accumulating once you're over that barrier would be relatively easy
>watching television is a tabletop game because humans appear in plenty of TTRPGs, and if you disagree you're a wannabe janny
>>98285161The viability of those options depends on exactly how common vampires are, and how common knowledge of them is. If the government has agencies that are aware of vampires and actively hunting them down, they will occasionally check the wealthy land owners in more isolated areas to make sure they aren't vampires. Sudden, unusual stock trades and bank transactions are also something they would look for, piled in with the usual precautions against money laundering. So a vampire would have be discrete with those options.And you could easily have the young, dumb, impatient vampire rob some gang members, get some nice cash, and decide they are going to do it again. And when they enter the warehouse one of the gang members squealed out the location of before they died they find themselves facing the gang leader. Who is also a vampire. Who has a lot more experience fighting vampires and other supernatural shit than noob vampire.
>>98282674There are people right now still coasting on profits first made in the 1800s or even earlier. The only real difference is the vampire will need to pretend to inherit the trust fund instead of being a genuine heir.
>>98284829It's at least a 00-100s-AD thing according to Luke 19>22 He said to him, ‘I will condemn you with your own words, you wicked servant! You knew that I was a severe man, taking what I did not deposit and reaping what I did not sow?>23 Why then did you not put my money in the bank, and at my coming I might have collected it with interest?’
>>98287042iirc (it's been a long time since I studied financial history), that would be more of a direct investment vehicle than "savings". The idea is the same, you give your money to the bank and the bank invests it with whoever wants to take a loan from the bank, but back then it wouldn't have had the abstract safety net of being "savings". It would just be your money directly pooled with other investors money and directed by whoever was running the bank. If they lost on it, you lost on it. Tough luck.
>>98287362Please correct me if I'm too far in the pessimistic tin foil, but I have a few questions:Isn't the "safety net" provided by the promise of government reimbursement rather than anything the bank can offer themselves? At least in terms of a singular bank location, not some kind of conglomerate that can tell Marv Dinsley that his $10k withdrawal for a new swimming pool is abnormal to stall a workweek so they can shuffle funds to the location and he can get the money he's supposed to have access to.Aren't banks allowed to use most capital for investments, the precise percentage dependent on what type of accounts they're stored in? Because if so, it seems more a lack of visible consent than any change in banking itself.
>>98282674Time, obviously. A yearly deposit of $100 over 200 years, with 5% interest, is something like 36 million. And they are almost certainly depositing more than that.
>>98282779>>98286093>shindoLget a taste
>>98284049Probably. I think the fact that they can live to realize long term profits would disincline them towards destructive short term profits would be a bigger factor.
>>98287486There are a lot more financial vehicles nowadays for them to do infinite fuckery with to make up loses. They can take loans on theoretical income that only exists because they took loans based on loans that were the ghosts of loans that may or may not exist but you aren't allowed to check. Eventually it might topple, but it also might just not. Especially with governments ready to bail them out at a moments notice.It is harder for random Joe Schmoe to lose all his money because the bank went under than it used to be, even discounting the max level fuckery they're allowed to do now.
>>98282674Well, when I vampire is just starting out they'd target people who nobody would miss, hobo's are able to get a little money via begging, being a vampire means no food or medical costs so their cost of living would be considerably cheaper assuming you don't just hide out somewhere that's basically abandoned at the start, plus these days night shifts are plenty.and that's not factoring familiars/servants/hypnosis>>98287517that's a good idea in theory but people would ask questions when a bank account has existed for that long you'd need to make accounts every 60 to 100 years to throw off the scent, you'd be better off investing in collectables and sitting on them for a while, like say records, trading cards, etc
>>98282952I'm putting this into my VtM Ideas folder.
>>98282674>"tobacco?" Interesting proposal monsieur Nicotin, I can spare some change to invest in your enterprise. >Now, about that nap...[200 years later]>I overslept? Poor monsieur Nicotin must be long dead. I wonder how that plan of his went.>he...WHAT?!... HOW MANY ZEROES?>This might make up for that hopeless investment I made in the East India Company >WHAT DO YOU MEAN "ALL OF INDIA"?!
>>98282674At first I'd imagine you'd reap quite a bit of wealth just from emptying the pockets of whoever you're drinking blood from. People used to carry much more cash and jewelry on them than they do nowadays, though. Credit cards and modern security features have put a huge dent in pickpocketing.There is, of course, just good old fashioned thieving. If you have superhuman strength and agility then cracking safes and fencing stolen goods should become your bread and butter. Beyond that, you'd probably want to buy up some local businesses and/or properties so you'd not only have a source of income but you'd also have an excuse to be lurking around them at night.Once you're actually established all you have to do is invest your ill-gotten gains into legitimate sources. The stock market only ever goes up, and 20 years is a drop in the bucket for a vampire. Imagine investing in Coca Cola about 20 years ago?You can throw in "romancing the wealthy" and "starting a pyramid scheme" just to keep things interesting every few years, too.
>>98282674>I mean if you're a vampire you can't exactly hold down a job.Many vampires where aristocrats or crazy rich before getting embraced, but even if you where a broke mortal, you are now an immortal blood fueled killing machine, you can just rob people after you drain them of blood or promise immortality to some rich twat in exchange for patronage.
>>98288168>but people would ask questionsThey will not ask questions about a shell company, and it's incredibly easy to set up. You just need a small business loop to keep it active.>investing in collectables and sitting on them for a while, like say records, trading cardsAnd how many of those were there in the 1800ds, exactly? Or are you arguing the vampire should live in abject poverty until they are invented - something the vampire doesn't even know they will be.
I liked the Preacher (comic book) take on vampires where their hunger seems to give them general addiction issues and predisposes them to substance abuse in addition to bloodrinking, and it drives them to exploit others for resources like junkies and makes them into broke murderhobos whenever they don't got other people to leech from. No idea how that was handled in the TV show.
>>98288780Fair point, I was more looking at it from the perspective of if someone became a vampire in the modern age with essentially a zero dollar start and not one who was born centuries ago, it'd be alot easier if that was the case.Still, a vampire would be privvy to trinkets of the modern day, though I doubt any of them would become hardcore pokemon card scalpers as amusing of an idea that would be outside of using it as front for shady dealings.
>>98282674Generational wealth definetly.Many vampires can just hold down a job since many can just blend into the regular populace.Also there's many jobs that don't require you to interact with people. Like being a writer for example.You can even use an alias as a writer or be a ghost writer.Same goes for lot of artisanal work, like making jewelry even.
they live like hobos.
>>98282674>usually descended from old money>literally immortal>supernaturally powerful, which means they can pretty much do anything short of taking on an entire army if they wanted to>lack of survival needs, save for bloodMeanwhile OP:>hurrrrrr how dey make money without a 9-5 doe
>>98282674Traditionally? Old aristocracy. Orlock and Dracula were both counts. Modern often times working and building up passive wealth.
The earliest iteration of what modern literary tradition would consider to be a vampire started out as an allegory for sexual predators. More recently they started being used as an allegory for the aristocrats. This translated poorly in America (where most international media is produced) where there are no aristocrats, just old money and new money, so vampires are used as an allegory for the rich with no thought given to how they got wealthy. Apparently when you get bitten on the neck you receive a small loan of a million dollars from your ancient sire who has money because reasons, and now that you no longer have grocery bills to pay you take that money straight to the bank on your way to the blood bank.
>>98290024Are those brea- ADVERTISER-SAN, GET DOWN
i know old /tg/ used to hate this book, but it answers this question really well.
>>98290427does it even go into how the cullens got wealth?
>>98290427Most people outside /tg/ hates that book, too.It's just Stephenie Meyer's personal contained "consensual nonconsent" fetish and the bloodlust is a hamfisted allegory for sexual urges.
>>98290427Not going to read that trash, how do they explain it? Stocks? Whoring themselves off? Getting the vampire jew to do all their taxes?
>>98282674They sire someone rich. In "interview with a vampire" the reason vampires sire vampires is to "guide them through the new age". I really liked this as an idea because if you think about it logically the most dangerous thing to a vampire is another vampire so why sire anyone? As I get older I find this is true for myself as well.
>>98291576Doesn't Lestart end up turning the journo scum? Which isn't particularly wealth or prestigious prospect.
>>98282674They're usually rich before becoming vampires and a desire to keep their wealth and power forever is usually what nudges them to become vampires
>>98288615I'm tickled by the idea that the average wealthy vampire is less old money or shadowy corporate oligarch and more "small town millionaire who owns a chain of car wash places.">>98288780>>98288926The ultimate problem with generating wealth through tangible objects is that you have to not only acquire and store said objects until they're worth something, you essentially have to gamble on what objects are going to increase in value to the point of recouping the expenses needed to get to that point. >>98290067>now that you no longer have grocery bills to pay you take that money straight to the bank on your way to the blood bank.In all fairness that'd be something like $10k a year in savings.
>>98282674old money and assigned ghouls or just charmed folk to interact with society
>>98292656Glad you liked the idea, anon. I believe the thread is predicated upon the vampire in question becoming a vampire recently and also starting with nothing. Old money is too easy of an answer and not very realistic, it assumes too much.Buying up property is one of the safest choices for long term wealth. Just a few rental properties assures a steady cash flow. A bar, a restaurant or a hotel would go a very long way to keeping a vampire not only wealthy but inundated with potential victims. Not only that, but you also have a justifiable excuse for why you'd only ever be seen at night.You could of course worm your way into a corporate office and it probably wouldn't even be that difficult, however I do think it could be dangerous. Being a shadowy corporate oligarch still requires your attention during the day. Even the "watch is more expensive than your car, car is more expensive than your house" type guys still occasionally show up to work. At some point somebody is going to recognize that you never take calls or come into the office during daytime hours. You could probably silence one or two of these employees, but once the cat is out of the bag and word gets out that you're just a name on the door that's a very difficult problem for you to now fix. I think this would actually draw more attention to you than you'd realistically want.
>>98282674Vampires kill people, so they can also loot their money.>muh credit cardHypnosis.
>>98282674They have a supernatural ability to always win at scratchers which is why whenever I get lotto tickets they only pay out $2 max. It's an undead conspiracy.
Illegal blood diamond trade
>>98292979>You could of course worm your way into a corporate office and it probably wouldn't even be that difficult, however I do think it could be dangerous. Being a shadowy corporate oligarch still requires your attention during the day. Even the "watch is more expensive than your car, car is more expensive than your house" type guys still occasionally show up to work. At some point somebody is going to recognize that you never take calls or come into the office during daytime hours. You could probably silence one or two of these employees, but once the cat is out of the bag and word gets out that you're just a name on the door that's a very difficult problem for you to now fix. I think this would actually draw more attention to you than you'd realistically want.Could just claim to work remote and have a vicious case of Insomnia.
>>98282674Vampire piracy.
>>98282674If you can't think of a way to get rich while being immortal and having supernatural powers, then you're ngmi.
>>98288780There actually are a lot of 1800s collectibles. A lot of them are harder to move due to various laws around cultural significance or the toxic substances they were made of, but not all of them. The actual physical money of the time is worth a lot more than its face value if it's in good condition.
>>98297027Art supplies. There are pigments that are simply not used anymore at any price, and some of them have unique properties that modern artists would still want to use. Many of them are toxic, some are morally questionable, and a few might even be both! Whatever the reason no one makes them, they're expensive and a vampire could have bought them at retail price centuries ago.
>>98282674>collect a bunch of random shit that will last a few centuries>sleep for a few hundred years>wake up and sell your historical artifacts
>>98297027Vintage wines and various other liquors are another stockpile classic. Tough a vampire might not immediately think of that, because a vampire never drinks... wine.
>>98297027>set aside one of the original Nicolas Appert's food preserves >wait 200 years>sell to SteveMRE
>>98282674why do you think so?
