>>98283927
Of course my setting doesnt have pride month, that shit is gay all year round

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>>98283927
>How does your setting treat LGBT individuals and relationships? And what key advice does one need to remember there?
In my setting, it's relatively recent that men exist at all. Before that event, males and females looked very much alike. Men are sort of an orcish invasion, a corruption created for economic gain and narcissistic self aggrandizement- a witch queen wanted to be the most beautiful of all and started sapping the beauty of others, creating a slave caste from the (now) uglier sex. Of course, her power wasn't omnipotent and most nations just discarded the ugly babies or threw them into the woods once the curse was revealed. Men eventually revolted and caused all sorts of mayhem and abuse, culminating in imperialism and war crimes. However, great cataclysms brought by ancient magic barred men to the lower levels of the world trees, and their empire had to start devouring itself, and ended up killing one of the world trees (the worst blasphemy known to all). Now the world is recovering from the worst kind of patriarchy and a militant temple seeks to feminize and/or purge all men with magic but even the fallen kingdoms of the dead world tree pack a punch. They're not leaving without a battle. The empire of man fell into many kingdoms that battle with each other. Rape is very common, as is violent lashing out over everything. Homophobia is near universal among them but that won't prevent homosexual rape to humiliate and harm the other. They also hate shemales and women with a passion, castrating the beautiful ones and using women as wombs to gain more soldiers.

The cultures are many, as are their approaches to sex. The norm is for males to be shemales naturally, but fulfill male roles in relationships. So they compete- in trials of grace, combat, seduction, dominance and display. Some are matriarchies, others are patriarchal but with shemales as the dominant force- polygamy where submissive/defeated shemales remain as concubines.
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>>98284175
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When the sexes don't look too distinct, homosexuality functions as birth control, though most won't view it that way- it's both how nature balanced it as well as how some institutions have cultivated it to be. For example, a matriatchy that rules through sexual control (prudishness) is secretly a lesbian supremacist group. They are outwardly prudes, segregating the sexes and pushing the shemales and males to venture outwards, to conquest and explore the world. They seek to disempower the phallic energies but are doomed to repeat a loss (as a civilization, not on individual level).
Homosexuality itself can be a source of social shame especially in competitive environments - where taking the submissive role is not acceptable, especially for warriors, adventurers or nobility. However, there are no real penalties besides losing one's rights to a harem (the most dominant should have that position).
Most of the world is still womanly in form, it's a much softer and sexier world than ours.

No pride month. There will be a celebration period once the men are finally defeated and life can be peaceful again. (Most men end up liking feminization, too)
Rainbows are important because they represent life, nature and hope. The underground civilizations were especially taken by them.

>>98284178
Of course there were conflicts and even abuse prior to men, but the scale of self-abuse men are willing to put up with combined with why they were created was a potent source of suffering. It will bring my setting to a cyberpunk esque state at some point... Perhaps it will take that long to defeat men, a true dystopia must embody the issue.

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>>98283927
>How does your setting treat LGBT individuals and relationships?
I haven't really considered this before, but from the way I've built my setting, the answer to this question kind of emerges naturally.

Due to how reproduction and sex within the setting have been more or less separated from one another due to the widespread infertility issues (among other genetic issues stemming from rampant genetic engineering etc) of the masses, attitudes towards sex are generally rather lax among the general public. Thus as sex regardless of it being hetero or homosexual, is very unlikely/impossible to result in children without medical aid involved, many of the taboos related to sex and relationships are different from ours.

The primary religion in the setting is a matriarchal fertility cult who trough their ritualized medical knowhow, provide the masses with reproductive assistance, and their dogma is generally more focused just on ensuring that children who are conceived are as healthy and as free of genetic defects as possible. This is achieved via genetic screening, enbryo selection and some level of genetic engineering as well. Thus what is deemed immoral is not sex itself but conceiving of children outside of the guidance of this order, as it risks the children inheriting genetic issues in a far more dangerous package than otherwise. Homosexuality doesn't really concern this religion because it doesn't in any way risk conception.

Thus in general, I'd have to imagine that homosexuality wouldn't really be seen as anything really special or taboo, though neither would it be celebrated or given any real special considerations either. Most people who want to have children would still need the aid of the fertility cult to have kids, be they gay or straight.


>And does your setting have a Pride Month?
No.


>What symbolism do rainbows have in your setting and why?
The natural world and beauty, due to their association with the gardens and biopreserves of the City.

>>98284241
Does your fertility cult abuse its power? It seems that a lot of the world revolves around it. Reproduction is a vital aspect, being entirely in the hands of limited mortals and their institutions seems to already have placed a heavy toll on your world's population.
It could be that the situation is simply so bad that sabotaging things further is madness rather than greed or powerlust.

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>>98284299
>Does your fertility cult abuse its power?
It does though typically in more subtle and covert ways. The Sisterhood is keenly aware of the power they wield via their near monopoly on reproduction and cultural dominance they have and while they may have originated as a more genuinely well meaning organization, in the contemporary era they have a rather dark side to them concealed behind their warm and embracing exterior.
Basically, the Sisterhood kind of treats the population of the City or at least those under the control of the Concordat akin to an overbearing and manipulative mother. Most commoner denizens of the Concordat are in some way at least indoctrinated to the faith of the Sisterhood, and thus are very loyal to them. Due to how they kind of "overproduce" children as a result of the reproductive aid they provide, and rear these "excess" children in their orphanages/children's creches, for a lot of people in the City, the Sisterhood is what forms their initial image of family and maternal care. They are not abusive but they are suffocating in their indoctrination and care.

The sisterhood also has outright military forces and agents that exists to defend their installations and enforce their agendas. Some of them like the Venara devotees basically exist as spy/assassin/concubine type of agents whose role is to keep check on the Noble families of the City and other powerful groups as well as gather genetic samples from them for the Sisterhood's gene-archives. '
Basically the Sisterhood seeks to steer the denizens of the City towards it's onw designs and vision both via their near monopoly on reproduction, indoctrination, subtle influence via their agents and at times overt force via their fanatical warriors.

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>>98284470

> Reproduction is a vital aspect, being entirely in the hands of limited mortals and their institutions seems to already have placed a heavy toll on your world's population.

The sisterhood itself is not really the core cause for the decline and divergence of the human population in the City nor the rise of the infertility & other genetic issues among the masses. The cause for this situation is the collapse of the City's golden age into a multi generational, millenia long series of succession wars that ravaged the City and it's population. The seeds for these problems were already laid during the golden age due to the genetic engineering and tampering that was subtly driving human speciation however the succession wars saw these trends accelerate massively as the different factions of that conflict used genetic engineering to both enhance themselves as well and their subjects, as well as to attack their rivals via bioweapons. Some of the most damaging bioweapons unleashed were things that actively sought to damage the genomes of their victims, designed to basically sabotage the genetic enhancements of those who were subjected to such weapons.

>It could be that the situation is simply so bad that sabotaging things further is madness rather than greed or powerlust.
There is a dual element of both desire to maintain their monopoly on reproduction, as well as genuine worry about further tampering of human genome, that has kind of led the Sisterhood to a situation where they aren't really keen on trying to fix the outright core issues that cause the infertility problems. Rather they kind of treat the more overt symptoms and prune the most dysgenic lineages but at the same time prevent outright evolutionary process from fully pruning humanity's bloodlines to a state where only the viable remain. The Sisterhood instead wishes to kind of slowly reconstruct their own idealized "perfect" human genome that is shaped by them and under their dominion.

Cont.

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>>98284511
There are populations of people in the City that live outside of the Sisterhood's control, where a sort of selective pressure driven evolution has occurred, that has led to generally more viable human populations that aren't reliant on the sisterhood for reproduction. These populations are relatively small and primarily exist in the "warrens" and ruins of the City, that exist outside of the control of the Concordat. These societies are regressed technologically and socially but are in some ways healthier than the civilized humans living under the dominion of the Concordat. Of course these "feral" populations aren't strictly baseline humans anymore due to the genetic bottlenecks and biological divergence the evolutionary process via which they emerged. Their ancestors underwent a merciles selective pressure in which only the bloodlines that could viably produce children at least with some success lived on, while the rest perished. Thus their populations are generally far smaller than that of the civilized commoners living in the Concordat, whose ancestors were "saved" by the nascent Sisterhood that spread across those regions.

The Sisterhood treats the feral and tribal people living outside of the Concordat with a combination of scorn, hostility. The most divergent lines of these peoples the Sisterhood outright rejects as no longer being sufficiently human, whereas the ones more close to baseline humanity are viewed with a mixture of caution and desire to convert them to the faith of the sisterhood, in order to gain control over them. The Sisterhood does not want to prune these lineages outright, but they recognize the threat to their monopoly on reproduction such viable bloodlines posess. Such peoples serve as more "healthy" sources of genetic materials that can be used to help with the steering of human bloodlines the Sisterhood is conducting.

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>>98284517
Another element to the question of human biological divergence in the setting is the existence of outright genetically engineered and artificial offshoot species of humantiy that were created both during the Golden Age of the City, and during the succession wars era. The bulk of these creatures that were created during the Golden Age were basically servants, pets and customized slaves created to serve the whims and designs of the ruling aristocracy of the City, whereas during the succession wars, large amounts of such creatures were made just to exist as war thralls. The most prominent, still surviving lineage of such beings are the Ogres that were designed to serve as heavy infantry for the slave armies of the warring inheritor families of the Succession wars.

In the contemporary era of the setting, these hybrid "chimeras" are generally viewed with a great deal of hostility and prejudice, especially by the Sisterhood and it's followers. Only some "sanctioned" breeds of these beings are tolerated and they typically exist as second class citizens at best, and as basically labor animals at worst. The Ogres persist largely because of their kinship with House Chot, and their utility as warriors. The Ogres were created from the genestock of the Chotians themselves (who were gene-engineered laborers who were conscripted to serve as warriors in the armies of the inheritor families) and thus the Chotians kind of viewed the Ogres as their "cousins" that had been warped into these monstrous beings, and would not stand for their culling even after the Concordat was established and the succession wars had ended.

The technology and knowhow to make new breeds of chimeras is still around, but largely illegal within the Concordat, at least if it involves human genetics. The Sisterhood views the mixing of human and non human genetics as a grave sin and one of the prime causes for the genetic degeneration and splintering of human bloodlines.

>>98283927
>How does your setting treat LGBT individuals and relationships?
Might depend on culture, preferred deities etc. Harems from the djinn can have as many genders/hosts as they wish, the charity harems help men, women, children, orphans etc. In the latter case, marriages are symbolic and you'll be given education/be an apprentice.

>And what key advice does one need to remember there?
If you don't have children, adopt someone to be your heir/family, join a funerary group, at the very least, someone has to make sure you are given the proper rituals for ensuring your reincarnation.

>And does your setting have a Pride Month?
No, but the morning after the day that doesn't exist has people waking up with spilled fluids, strange memories and new friendships. Not always good, real life me once blacked out for 2 hours after drinking too much and it scared me.

>What are some ways that a fantasy setting based more on IRL history could have positive views on LGBT relationships besides just having homosexual god(s) like the Greeks did?
Some native american cultures had social niches beyond men and women, which had their unique traits. Things like women which would dress and fight like men, the "clowns" were taken seriously because they were sorta trickster bards outcasts of the community, your spirit/totem could define you beyond your genitals etc.

>What symbolism do rainbows have in your setting and why?
Besides being pretty, none. The planetary ring is more colorful, dynamic and frequent, like if the Aurora Borealis joined the Pride Parade. And every nugget of adamant fell from it.

https://youtu.be/UT2sQ7KIQ-E?si=oJOMIjU3gkcLni2T
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https://youtu.be/fVsONlc3OUY?si=w81oZksLSmTKIsjr

>>98283927
>What are some ways that a fantasy setting based more on IRL history could have positive views on LGBT relationships besides just having homosexual god(s) like the Greeks did?
Real life mythology, history and biology offer a plethora of curious scenes.
Castrated boys raised as catamites across all iron age and many medieval empires. Tokyo was femboy central when it was built. Many Gods appeared in multiple forms - sometimes changing gender, other times dressing up as women. There are cultures that share a wife amongst all of a brother group- it's hetero but you can switch things up in your world.

Zoophilia is a taboo but in various forms emerges throughout human fantasy (dragon kidnaps woman, werewolf, Zeus the white bull rapes women and Goddesses, Jabba the Hutt, Tentacles, xenomorph) - and of course, since women are paired with animals, monsters and beasts this reflects a reality. Men are more animalistic than women. Your world can play with this fact in its own way.

>>98284568
I feel like someone should float the idea that, maybe, just maybe, Sisterhood should stop bitching and help ease a number of diverging bloodlines into becoming their own species.
If nothing else, it would make the job of stabilizing the genes easier, as you wouldn't need to deal with nearly as many offshoots once you make several distinct genetic groups.
Then segregate and proceed to whittle down the bloodlines until each of the races is stable enough to reliably procreate on their own, as a benchmark of course.

If you can't wrangle the diverse genetic soup into a single-ish race, bite the shard and cut the genepool into more manageable number of genome variations.

>>98284568
That ogre bull could easily be an awesome half-elephant, just add tusks and a trunk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdUJrafZXMU

>>98284753
Dumbo ears too

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>>98283927
>That OP picture
That's not nearly as many LGBT people as I thought would be in LoL.

>>98284783
It's missing Taliyah the Transgender and Varus the gay man. Not sure if any of the newer ones are alphabet soup, I quit a decade ago.

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>>98284744
I imagine that such doctrinal disputes about what to do regarding the divergent human bloodlines do exist however the dominant doctrine of the Sisterhood insist on the task of trying to restore what they perceive to have been lost rather than further contribute towards the splintering of human bloodlines. Heretical/unorthodox sects of the Sisterhood are almost certainly percecuted and hunted by the dominant sect of the faith.

On some level though there is an element of stabilized genetypes in the setting, many either emerged naturally before the time the Sisterhood gained prominence, or are a result of the Sisterhood's breeding programs. The ultimate goal of the Sisterhood is however to preserve humanity and restore it to what they perceive as having been it's original "perfect" form that was broken. Thus from a religious point of view, they find the idea of human speciation abhorrent, or that is at least the stance of the dominant sect of the Sisterhood.

>>98284753
Funny you should mention that. There are actually such "half elephant" chimeras as well in the setting. I call them Jumans, and they were originally engineered to serve as sort of gardener beasts for the various private gardens and biopreserves of the aristocrats of the City. They are naturally quadrapedal but can if needed stand on their hind legs sort of like bears or giant ground sloths etc. The weird shell structure on the back of the Juman character in this picture is not part of his anatomy to be clear, it is more like a sort of carriage/backbag thing.
Another chimera in the picture is Jonya, who is essentially a genetically engineered catgirl.

The art in this picture is a bit old and I need to revisit some of the designs I have for these characters but overall their lore etc is more or less the same. My vague plans for these characters is to use them in some story/comic at some point when I am done with the worldbuilding autism and actually want to make use of the setting itself.

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Do men wear skirts in your setting?

>>98284893
Neat warband there. The Jumans seem it was grown by the same lab that came up with the original design for Xenomorph's Space Engineers, including the backpack itself.

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>>98285567
Thanks. Been meaning to update some of the designs in it but the overall infographic project has taken more of my focus. I think that the original space jockey was at least a partial inspiration for the juman design in that particular picture however the origin point of the juman concept and Godal as a character, along with Jonya, Jozo and Javak all stem from Freak Quest which I ran on /tg/ back in the day, and was the first "incarnation" of the setting.

My ideas regarding the setting have changed quite heavily back from those days but many of the core concepts and the four characters have stuck around at least in some form, though their background and designs have changed quite a bit. In the freak quest days everything in the setting was more monstrous in general and my drawing skills were also far worse so I just tended to prefer to draw monsters rather than even try to draw human like characters.

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>>98285772
Nice. I rate your artistic evolution 15 hyperparasitic crabs out of 3 hydra-centipedes.

>>98285475

Roman Empire, so kinda.

By the 17th and 18th centuries, shipping data became public and centralized, most famously at Lloyd’s Coffee House in London. Once people could easily see lists of which ships were sailing where, a massive problem emerged: unrelated bystanders started buying "insurance" policies on ships they didn't own and gambling on it.

It was people using insurance contracts to gamble on whether a ship would sink or make it to port. It became a toxic trend. People who bet on a ship to sink had a terrible habit of bribing captains to run them aground or overloading the vessels so they would go down under heavy waves. The gambling got so bad that the British Parliament had to pass the Marine Insurance Act of 1745 banned "interest or no interest" policies (meaning you had to actually own the ship or the cargo).

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>>98283927
>LGBT
Wow, just realized, i don't have such shit on my settings.
Still, even if i wanted to add gays into my settings, it will be superficial because i don't know any gay people, well, it's still considered mental illness on my country.
Do a world need gays in it to be believable?
What is even the point of adding them?

>>98286747

Well, historically gayhood was less punished than sodomy in general. By sodomy it meant any non-reproductive sex and sometimes even all sexual positions except for missionary one (the punishment could go from a confession at a church to being hanged depending on the era).

If two men were caught kissing, hugging, or cuddling, it wasn't considered sodomy. Unless there was eyewitness proof of the specific anatomical act, they couldn't be convicted of the ultimate "crime against nature.".

The concept of "homosexuality" or being "gay" as an identity didn't really emerge until the late 19th century. Because there was no modern concept of a "gay identity," intense romantic friendships between men (often called homosociality) were completely normalized. Men regularly shared beds in crowded boarding houses, inns, and military camps. Writing letters to a male friend professing deep, passionate love, kissing upon meeting, and holding hands were standard practices for centuries.

Society didn't view these actions as a sign of subversion because they assumed no one was committing the physical act of sodomy.

It wasn't until the late 19th and 20th centuries that laws shifted to target "gross indecency" or specifically "homosexual conduct," which criminalized a broader range of same-sex intimacy and affection beyond just the act of anal penetration.

>>98286747

Political correctness or not, gays are universal human behaviour. I think any decently devolped setting would say how society feel about them.

>>98286824
> gays are universal human behaviour
Might as well say that about pedastry too considering how intertwined they are.

>>98286868

Rethorically speaking, they certainly are.

>>98286799
I’m not sure I buy what you are spouting. The bit about sodomy was only partially correct. One of the reasons anal sex between males was looked down upon in Roman society was that recieving the act was considered unmasculine (feminine technically but I’m calling it unmasculine to drive a point). It was considered so horrible that the punishment for cuckolding another man’s wife was for that man to be anally raped by the husband.
Furthermore, Roman and Greek derived cultures had a very different pre-conception of love from what we do. They had 3 seperate categories though I have seen differing accounts on this going cateall the way up to 8 categories.
>Eros: sexual desire
>Agape: selfless love
>Philia: brotherly love
It was commonly believed that Eros is harmful and Philia is the “ideal” form of love seeing it as the most fulfilling and productive. Keeping Eros and Philia separate was considered vital in older cultures.
This brings up the point about kissing which is easily dispelled. Kissing on the cheeks is a greeting European countries. I’ve personally experienced this and know you are being a retard.

>>98283927
>How does your setting treat LGBT individuals and relationships? And what key advice does one need to remember there? And does your setting have a Pride Month?
I don't have any of that modern woke fag shit, the closest I have is one of the elven cultures not considering same sex relationships as valid marriages since they don't produce children.
>What are some ways that a fantasy setting based more on IRL history could have positive views on LGBT relationships besides just having homosexual god(s) like the Greeks did?
Tying inheritance to something other than lineage, including mpreg, sex change magic for the troons.
>What symbolism do rainbows have in your setting and why?
None because I overlooked this, guess I need to think about it now.

>>98283927
Since when has Nami been gay?

>>98287056
This doesn't really refute anything he said at all. You raised a completely different series and points and if you want to get really reductive the answer to basically any historical deviancy is "it was okay if you were rich enough".

Frankly speaking I just don't care whatsoever what people in Early Modern West Europe were doing

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>>98288237
fuck you