A thread for discussing the Star Wars franchise and its various media and tabletop games.Pellaeon-class Edition>Adepticon roadmaps:https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/adepticon-2026-roadmap-star-wars-legion/https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/adepticon-2026-roadmap-star-wars-shatterpoint/Previous: >>98208679Fantasy Flight Games’ X-Wing, Armada, and Legion>https://pastebin.com/9puqx1zeStar Wars Roleplaying Games (d6/d20/FFG)>https://pastebin.com/iUriRfaAOther FFG Star Wars tabletop (Imperial Assault, Destiny and the LCG)>http://pastebin.com/ZE4gn0yNOld links>https://pastebin.com/yUVx32wBX-Wing/Armada/Legion/Shatterpoint:>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/transmission/update-on-star-wars-x-wing-and-star-wars-armada/>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-legion-documents>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/star-wars-legion-transmissions>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/swp-transmissions/>https://www.atomicmassgames.com/swp-rules/Latest Edge news:>https://edge-studio.net/a-new-hope/>https://edge-studio.net/star-wars-edge/Unlimited links:>https://starwarsunlimited.com/articles/>https://swudb.com/>https://karabast.netTQ: New images have dropped of the Pellaeon-class, are you more willing to use it now?
All ship designs from that era are utter dogshit
I dont think this is an issue in the OT, because the jedi have force ghost as a uniquely jedi ability and palps has the unique dark side power of force lightning, but in video games and stuff it often feels like lightsiders dont really have a unique thing. I know its kind of petting, but often it feels like sith are just a straight functional upgrade to jedi. It would be kino if force ghost was a more intigrated part of Jedi power sets in extra OT material. I always loved the thematic idea that the ultimate sith power was force light, something blunt and rawly offensive, while the ultimate jedi power was force ghost, something discrete and indirect, good for council and wisdom.But games in specific really dont know or care to use force ghosts, so Siths often feel like a pure power boost with the normal telekenetics and sensory abilities plus lighting.
>>98289989Becoming a ghost isn't a power it's a state of being. What are you even talking about? Do you think there's a video game where you die and become a ghost as an ability you tech into??
Why yes I do make AI photos of me in the star wars universe
>>98290463>gross nuThrawn foreheadI didn't need to see this.
>>98290710could you remove the jedi and add more Twi'leks
What is the consensus on Groult? Hate the AR-based blasters but the rest of his art is pretty great.
>>98290811We are not Jedi, but humble merchantsHere, I'm actually surprised this got by chat gpt
Would you allow a droid to wear clothes?
>>98291813Did those appear in the mando film?Did the original remnant trooper concept art designs make it too?
>>98290710Not your blog.
I will once again shill sublight drive because I like it >Libs (Restorationist Republic) (under Anakin being dragged there by his wife) buying Securotors>Loyalists under Palpy buying Imp 1s>The Confederates having fucking TIE Vultures becuase Raith is in Confederate Space>Grevius doing his own thing up north>Scout being the general of Grant's Breakoff sector in Tapani>Empress Teta just not giving a fuck anymore>The Jedi Order breaking up into 3 parts, the guys who followed the tradition into the Core, the guys who supported the liberal restorationists, and the ones who fucked off to the rim to be a jedi church in seppie landsit's an interesting setting
I need to take some pictures of the terrain I've painted up recently.
>>98292808Nice bus, anon :)
>>98289008>Pellaeonfag returns
>>98292925It really is a hover-schoolbus, isn't it.
>>98292720Can you explain which colors are which? I don't understand jack shit.
>>98291813droids wear made to be naked, bare-footed, pregnant, and docile.They dont deserve cloths. They would just get them oily anyways.
>>98290463launching lighting from your fingers is also a state, why are you quibbling over termonology like that? I have the power to become a ghost is a power I have the power to talk to ghosts is a power.I was just saying it would be neat if force ghost was implemented in gameplay more often. Like you can get bullet time because your old dead master is reaching out to you and giving you guidance from beyond.
>>98292808Please do, that look really nice.
>>98294197Oh, ESL, sorry I didn't realize.
>>98291813I think droids should wear some clothing attire if they are sentient; it helps them stand out and not be some mindless toaster droid
>>98292925Very neat board, anon.
>>98293295Dark blue - Palpy loyalistsLight blue - Lib Restorationists Red - CissiesOrange - Grant's breakaway Tapani sectorPink - Empress TetaLight Green - Mandalore Yellow - some corporate sector thing where Grevious is probably hanging outCsilla and Hutt space should be obvious
>>98295390Luv me FLGS
It's so over. Star wars has fallen
>>98300703
Splinter of the mind rape.
>>98293803>t.decraniated owner
What are some cool security or general combat droids floating around that aren't cis?
>>98302082Lando's racist killbots from NJO.
>>98301041KinoMan, I love the 2008-2014 star wars
>>98302082iirc the Empire had some off-the-books assassin droids that weren't sourced from CIS stock.
>>98301041Hot Wheels (Anakin's Sex Mobile)
>>98302762>panties>in spaceMy immersion is ruined
>>98302785Technically, it's a thong. Thongs aren't panties.
>>98302762Would it even be comfortable having Ahsoka on your lap? She seems really boney and hard
>>98302872You'll barely notice if you're harder.
>>98302087>make droids that deliberately look like your enemy>make them charge into battle shouting "we are machines and therefore greater than the Vong" in the Vong's own language>Vong despise all forms of machine intelligence and go into a seething spitting shrieking rage any time they see oneLando was a genius just for how much he was shitting on Vong with that idea, let alone how effective they were.
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>>98302752This is from the old WEG Imperial Sourcebook so it predates the CIS, though i guess one could trace its lineage back to the B2 Super Battle Droid in canon due to the overall shape.
>>98302087>>98302937Do you think he ever bothered programming the racial slurs out of all the ones he produced after the Yuuzhan Vong War?Also, Legacy kind of dropped the ball not having one show up as an antique somewhere.
>>98303821Nah, he kept them around and programmed in an Uncle Ruckus mode where they'd pretend to be Vong right up until the moment they started going on about how they're all no good tricksters and so on.Gotta keep them in line somehow.
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>>98304200>Ahsoka is a mini-chosen one due to being filled with so much jedi cum it infused her entire being>that's why Ahsoka survived Order 66 and the jedi purges
>>98304200>>98304215Luke probably got to tap that MILF ass as as well since she's such a "good friend".
>>98304200>But Master, my father already hit that>Luke, you kissed your sister, don't be so fussy
>>98302785are you saying she goes nopan then?
>>98304775We already know there's no underwear in space, due to based George.
>>98304215I mean it was probably washed out by hundreds of gallons of clone cum. There's got to be enough Jango genetic material in the lining of her rectum alone to make a whole new army.
Enjoy my AI sloppa!!!!
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>>98306169a comfy dinner after a long day!
>>98306164>a twi'lek>with that rank insigniaWas she personally sucking Palpatine's dick?
>>98306178dinner date with the wife!
>>98306186she is actually a lesdom
>>98306186Why not? Daala was doing the same (she was human so she could suck off one level lower)>>98306193Yurifags in bodybags desu
>>98306164Did your lora do that well with the Star Destroyers in the background on its own, or did you have to inpaint that?
>>98306256>Did your lora do that well with the Star Destroyers in the background on its own, or did you have to inpaint that?I just used CHATgpt and imputed my prompt in and that's what came up, I had to try a few times to get her ears right but the whole image is from one prompt
>>98289008Can someone tell me how are the jedi regarded as a myth in the OT? The clone wars were barely 20 years prior and many people who fought right beside them are within living memory
The opressive regime said so and put the weight of its propaganda and opression apparatur behind it. You dont want to commit a wrongthink, do you? The friendly local ISB officer is more than willing to correct you on your errors.It worked in real life, no reason it cant work in a galaxy far, far away
>>98306491was meant for >>98306375plus, keep in mind that beside people are heavily encourage to just shut the fuck up, vast amounts of regular people never encountered a single jedi even at the hight of their power. So those two factors perfectly play into each other.
>>98306375When are they regarded as a myth? Pray tell. Han Solo and Motti doubt that they're as powerful as they are, no one ever doubts that the Jedi existed and were a major force.
>>98306375People knew that the Jedi existed, but as an ancient religious monastic cult/police agency of the Republic purged by the Empire. The Jedi usually kept themselves apart from the public eye, and very,very few people knew the reality about their powers. That even a well travelled and street wise guy like Han dismissed the stories about them as nonsense says it all. By Rogue One/ANH is clear that there was a bit of a new age religious revival about the Jedi among rebels and their sympathizers. But except for those that were around and personally saw Jedi Generals do their thing (like Bail Organa), they were clueless.
The current topic is one of the flaws of star wars. Palpatine only ruled for like 12 years and the clone wars were only like 20 years ago. Jedi were in republic propaganda across the galaxy, and all of the planets the clone wars took place on, anyone in the republic military or administration, and anyone who followed the war would know them by sight, if not name. This makes some of the lines in rebels and the sequels not make sense.I think the timeline would be better if the Sith ruled for much longer and things were darker, and people actually did have time to forget. It would make more sense. At the very least, one generation of people. But Luke is born in episode 3 and kills Palapatine when he's like 20 so it's barely one single generation.
>>98306793>But except for those that were around and personally saw Jedi Generals do their thing (like Bail Organa), they were clueless.During the Clone Wars the actions of the Jedi would have been highly publicized. They were the generals leading the GAR, so they'd have been all over the news and propaganda. It is mentioned that as the war went on Palpatine did start having the propaganda focus more on the clone troopers and downplay the Jedi in preparation for the coming purge, but especially early on the war the Jedi were the face of the GAR. The RotS novelization makes it clear that Obi-Wan and Anakin in particular are famous as heroes of the Republic, and are household names across the galaxy for their victories against the CIS.
>>98306808>I think the timeline would be better if the Sith ruled for much longer and things were darker, and people actually did have time to forget. It would make more sense. At the very least, one generation of people. But Luke is born in episode 3 and kills Palapatine when he's like 20 so it's barely one single generation.That kind of ends up being baked in since even if we ignore episodes 5 and 6, the original movie already established that Luke's father was a Jedi knight. So the Jedi must have still been around 20 years ago.In the pre-prequel EU the impression was that the rise of the Empire and the fall of the Jedi was more gradual, instead of Palpatine reorganizing the Republic and having all the Jedi killed overnight. The Jedi were mentioned to still exist while Palpatine was emperor, though they were increasingly marginalized and eventually eradicated. Palpatine was implied to have built up his powerbase more gradually, increasing the powers of the chancellor and extending his term in office until eventually he was able to just declare himself emperor. And the Empire didn't immediately kill all Jedi and sending stormtroopers to oppress the population, but gradually tightened its grip, increasing taxation and conscription to build up its military, while sidelining and discrediting the Jedi, until Palpatine was in the position to destroy the Jedi and use the military to enforce his will on the galaxy.
>>98306808>>98306810The Jedi being part of the Republic's propaganda during the war doesn't mean they featured their powers. And even if sometimes that happened, it would be easily dismissed as propaganda.> household names across the galaxy for their victories against the CIS.Maybe in the core worlds, but probably not so much everywhere else. Which is why most SW fiction is set in far away places even for the GFFA.An 20 years is a long time for the 24/7 news cycle and civilian life. Do you remember all what was going on and all the big names of 2006? The Iraq war? I was already an adult and I can barely remember.those days.
>>98306841The Iraq war only directly affected a relatively small number of people outside Iraq. A better comparison to the Clone Wars would be the World Wars, since the CW was the setting equivalent of a global conflict. WW2 ended about 80 years ago, yet there's still new material related to it being produced (at this point I'm pretty sure that if you watched every WW2 film and played every videogame taking place during the war, it would take more time than the entire actual war did), and even people who aren't history nerds will know the names of at least some of the major government leaders and generals.
>>98306870What? The Iraq war dominated the news for half a decade and lots of countries were involved on it. It also spawned big political changes and terrorist attacks all over Europe and many other countries.All that within living memory.The only reason WW2 is still part of mainstream culture (and not just nerds) is the 90s Spielberg movies that revived interest in the era, or countries like the UK, Poland or Russia that framed their national identity about the war.Meanwhile in the GFFA, the Empire erased the Republic and reframed all about their rise and the new order.
>>98289008Remember when Cade smoked death sticks to keep his ghost grandpa away? I remember
>>98306895Even with all the 00s cringe edgelord bs, these EU sequel era comics still had better plot, characters, and ships than the Disney sequels
>>98306920looking back at it, god i miss the old early 2000s edge. How do we go back?
>>98302937I admit prior to reading the novels I rolled my eyes at the whole Store Brand Terminators thing, but yeah when you actually experience it they're fantastic.
>>98306895He also banged a super-hot Zeltron and a crazy hot Twi'lek.
>>98304247Oh jesus don't give Wolfboy ideas. Next thing you know we'll find out they've given Assoka Mara's part of Disney Heir to the Empire and instead of Ben we'll get some orange-eyebrowed La Creatura de Abominacion to "carry on Luke's legacy" or some shite.
>>98306870Okay you want to use WW2 as an example, let's do that: ask a fucking Russian to relate their understanding of the Great Patriotic War as they call it according to what they were taught. If you know anything at all about it from a Western perspective, maybe after hearing their version - a version established almost immediately in the aftermath of the war and fully accepted within a few years - you'll understand how the combination of government propaganda with most people being disinterested unintelligent droogs only concerned with their next meal and/or dopamine hit can very quickly make pretty much any story you want to tell into unvarnished truth in the eyes of most.
>>98306920>>98307024There's more than just the edge. Legacy 'gets' what Star Wars is about - pulp. Look at any of Lucas' Star Wars. You have Aayla Secura who is essentially Jedi Darth Talon before Darth Talon, she dresses and fights in a tank-top. Padme and Leia both show skin several times and are intentionally attractive. Luke is a big damn hero who blows up a space station, no fucks given. There's stuffy British guys preserving Space Britannia, there's a dark wizard behind it all. Star Wars at its core and heart, is pulp and cheesecake.It's completely incompatible with the modern world of where every woman has to be an obnoxious girlboss, every man has to be hurting and in pain and having a dour face on all the time like he's constipated (See: Jon Snow, the modern hero archetype).And there's one thing Legacy has that nu-Wars lacks that original Star Wars also had - hope. For all talk of Cade being an edgelord, these are his last words to Krayt, rejecting apathy, and rejecting the Dark Side. You won't see anything like that out of Jake.The ship designs are still dogshit though, yeah.
>>98307259Legacy is lazy dogshit. Another Empire is dogshit. Empire being "benevolent" and ruling the galaxy is dogshit and fundamentally anti-Star Wars and contradicts Lucas' entire worldview. More Sith is dogshit. The main Sith dude being authors Glup Shitto OC from his prequel comics is dogshit. Designs are all atrocious, not just the ships. It looks ugly and disgusting. Everyone looks like a stinky junkie faggot with unwashed hair, piercings and eyeliners.
>>98307437Andor is a pathetic, shit show that's not Star Wars and is actively worse than even the Sequel Trilogy. Sorry, dude.
>>98307957Yawn.0/8, shit tier b8.
>>98307965Not bait at all. If you like Andor, you need to get the fuck out.
>>98307957>>98307969weak bait, it's too unbelievable
>>98307957No one has mentioned Andor or the sequels, you deranged subhuman. Legacy is still dogshit, and will always be dogshit.
>>98308001Similar to the works of Dave Filoni?
>>98307437>>98308001Legacy was forgettable and mediocre while trying to appeal to the edgy zeitgeist of the mid 00s. It was still better than the Sequel trilogy in everything that counts as SW.
>>98306375Even at their peak, there were still almost no Jedi in the galaxy. The EU put their pre-Clone Wars numbers at around 10,000, while the Republic controlled 1.3 million planets: That's less than 1 Jedi for every 100 planets. Unless you were living on Coruscant or one of planets that saw ground combat during the Clone Wars, you would almost certainly never interact with a Jedi. You wouldn't even know anyone who ever saw a Jedi. The closest the average person would come to a Jedi would be like "my neighbor's grandfather once met a guy in a bar who heard a rumor that a person a few planets over once saw a guy from afar who might have been a Jedi."
>>98307957You're right but the tourists who don't even like star wars and the cattle who will parrot that it's good because those tourists like it are really upset at you
>>98308428its a typical le own the chuds show, the main character is your 2010s archetype gormless guy who has no agency and is always constipated
>>98308428>>98308470here's your participation hoodie, nigger
>>98306192afternoon friends!
>>98309098preparing for a smuggler mission
>>98308842>it's bait because I don't like it!enjoy your normieslop badly painted over with star wars zoomzoom
>>98306164Ew, no. Keep it in your containment thread.
>>98310848AI > furry porn "artists"
>>98306164I, for one, don't mind your slop. Keep posting, anon.
>>98307259I would argue that Knights of the Old Republic (comic) is better than Legacy by leaps, bounds, and more than 12 parsecs. Simply because both come from a time when the writing was good, even if products could be shit and you cut yourself on Legacy edge.
Trying to create consistency between the Witches of Dathomir and other Force users without the Witches outshining them is some real bullshit.The amount of superspecial things they can do that others can't is fucking rancid.
>>98311552Just make most of their 'stupidly powerful' tier bullshit reliant on doing a ritual on DathomirBeyond that they're basically hot goth girls in spaaaace.
>>98311522And Tales of the Jedi was better than both. But either point is irrelevant to the reality that Legacy takes a massive reeking Taco Bell shit on the Sequels and wipes its arse with High Republic.
>>98312335>And Tales of the Jedi was better than bothHardly a fair comparison, Tales of the Jedi is basically the single most important piece of worldbuilding since the OT itself.Also, does anyone actually consoom yidsney fanfiction comics/books? I kind of just assumed they were there to justify getting rid of the real stuff.
>>98312664The disney comics have some okay stuff, I liked the Beilert Valance's comics and the short story with the Crimson Corsair finding a clone was fun
>>98312664Look, as someone who agree's that Disney's stuff has been shitshow after shitshow after shitshow, with very little redeeming material.., i really hate the rose tinted glasses of the people who pretend Pre-Disney Star Wars was any different.Star Wars has always had a 1-9 ratio of "Masterpiece vs Dogshit" I mean, the only people i have ever met who legitimately say they like the Vong novels are the people who also admit they never had to suffer through them.The only REAL difference between Disney's run and Lucas' run is that Lucas always made the big play where it counted, the 10% of old Star Wars that is golden is the stuff that had the most advertising and publicity put into it and 90% of the dogshit was relagated to places people could easily ignore (Low budget vidya, comics, novels, etc) Whereas Disney is slapping great big fucking neon signs atop their failures. whereas the actually good stuff is mostly being hidden away in novels and comics. And the only Novels and Comics they pushed hard (High Republic) Also happen to be dogshit.Disney has put out some damn good stuff. The Thrawn books are a lot of fun, Vader's comics have been (For the most part) way better than anything Lucas did with him (Lucas' era focused too hard on trying to make people see Anakin becoming Vader with comic after comic of Anakin doing dark and evil shit. Disney's era has mostly been about "What parts of Anakin ACTUALLY survived into Vader and How much does that piss him off?") The Resistance cartoon was actually pretty good. Not brilliant, but good enough (If you can get past the dogshit first 4 episodes)Call me a shill if you want. Way i see it, there are so many shitty things that Disney has done with the franchise, i don't need to pretend that the few good things they have made are shit in order to desperately validate a "DiDnEy NeVeR dOnE nUfFiN rIgHt!" mentality.
>>98313294Either a botpost, or the most NPC, soulless, deranged, retarded motherfucker ever to live. It doesn't even rise to the level of shilling, because shilling is supposed to get people to agree that the thing is good and all this makes me want to do is weep at the state of humanity when creatures like you aren't left outside in the cold to die as infants.
>>98313569And here we have an EUtranny jumping to the defense of Luuke because he feels trapped in a binary, similarly to how he decided to chemically castrate himself just because he likes to wear lacy underthings.
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>>98313675You need to die. As in, you literally should be shot. Not in Minecraft, either.
>>98313833>>>/pol/is that way man. Enjoy.
>>98313294You misunderstand where I'm coming from. I have no interest in the quality of these works, to me they simply do not exist. The Crystal Star is more real than yidsney wars. The Callista trilogy is more real than yidsney wars. Every SW children's book series is more real than yidsney wars. The Tales comics are more real than yidsney wars. The original Marvel comics are more real than yidsney wars. Straight-up Infinities is more real than yidsney wars. Why would I quibble about the writing of something that does not exist?Anyway, I guess the answer to my question was "yes". Thank you for the timely response.
>>98313842Nothing about what I said is political. I legit think you need to be shot because your opinions are that abhorrent. In fact, you need to go back to /co/ because TCW is dogshit. Complete, utter, irredeemable, dogshit. I don't give a flying fuck if Lucas had anything to do with it.
I finally watched this because I was on an international flight and had time to kill. I like the cast. I enjoy the lightsaber duels. It's probably the most aesthetically triumphant Star Wars story when it comes to set dressing and costumes. I like the premise. I like that Sol's vision was wrong for a subtle yet obvious reason.But it has one totally irredeemable flaw and that is the fact that the Jedi are all obstinate, petulant, and weirdly intolerant. It's not that they should be flawless paragons, but their flaws should be confronted and redeem, Jedi should be aspirationally heroic. All the characters are stupid and just die ingloriously. Carrie Fisher was standoffish with the witches when all she needed to say was "my padawan thinks there are children in danger here, I disagree with him, how shall we prove him wrong?" Most of the other niggling critiques are correct but I don't think anyone would've cared about them as much if the characters weren't all obliged to be foolish and incompetent in service of the plot.
>>98313947Carrie Ann Moss* not Carrie Fisher huuurrrr
>>98313947I'm pretty sure part of the show's premise was portraying the decline of the Jedi Order. I would've been fine with them being arrogant cunts if it wasn't for the>All the characters are stupidpart. They built a mystery box and couldn't figure out how to fill it, and they didn't even have the excuse of changing directors partway through.
>>98311425I don't know why you felt the need to bring up furry artists, but you're wrong either way.
>>98314434I believe he means that the sort of artists who do commissions for RPG characters (which is the sort of specific art /tg/ otherwise has a thread for) generally do furshit as their main hustle.
>>98313947>>98314246the tl;dr as usual is 'they are shit at writing characters and stories'The rest, the whole DEI debacle, LGBTQ+whatever main character, etc. as a pretext for insulting anybody who dared critique the first (i.e. bad writing) as hating the second (being a racist and homophobe) was just PR suicide on top of the badly written show.
>>98314434There's a specific subset of slopfags that churn out slop because they hate human-made art in general and human artists in particular, and when called out on their sloppa they resort to accusing everyone of being furries. I assume they got that strategy from their AI overlords because any human with an IQ above room temperature would realize why it doesn't work as an argument.
>>98314710>hate... human artists in particularHey, who doesn't? Hardly an excuse, though.
>>98307437>Empire being "benevolent" and ruling the galaxy is dogshit and fundamentally anti-Star Wars and contradicts Lucas' entire worldview.George opinion is irrelevant ever since he sold Star Wars to Disney.Emp[ire undergoing heavy rebranding from beurocratic theocracy to military republic, formed around esprit de corps makes sense. Besides, Imperial designs are too damn popular, so you cannot be more Lucas-like with keeping them around.
>>98315166You can't argue agaisnt the butthurt everything-EU-is-the-devil faggots, they are just as insane as the fedora tipping 'andor is le anti star wars' faggots.
>>98315184Yeah but I can annoy them.
>>98315267I kinda understand.But man, all I wanted was waifus and cool starfighter fights in space and maybe some laser swords here and there.Maybe some hero's journey.
>>98315184>andor is le anti star warsBut that’s correct, thoughbeitever.
Fresh OC from my current game, made by the player of this genius Nautolan who decided to fistfight B2s.
>>98315166In the first draft of Star Wars, there was only the Empire, that grew corrupt overtime. A liberal monarchy is essentially George's idealized government, you can see it on Naboo, Alderaan, etc.And with the aesthetics, the Prequels showed us them being the aesthetics of the good guys, who were slowly corrupted overtime. Makes sense from a SW perspective to have them later be 'redeemed' and serve the good guys, hence Fel Empire and Imperial Knights.
>>98315995Plus, y'know, Imperial Knights are legitimately just cool as shit.
>>98315995Desu, Imperial knights are the only redeemable thing from Legacy
>>98307437>>98315166>>98315995Errybody likes to talk about how a good Empire is silly but nobody wants to talk about how the "good" New Republic was such a rudderless mess that they spent a year letting a quarter of the galaxy get overrun by intergalactic genocidal invaders because doing something about it would have been bad PR. Just under a decade after they let a different group of genocidal aliens ethnically cleanse an entire star cluster because stopping them would have been bad PR.
>>98316357It was a rudderless mess at least partially because the New Republic was being run by Bothans at the time, coupled with that old adage about hard times creating strong men who create good times and what good times then create is weak men who create hard times.
>>98316357a bad head of state in the New Republic will eventually be voted out of the office. A bad emperor, you´re stuck with till the end.
>>98315166>George opinion is irrelevantIt will always be relevant since he created Star Wars, you fucking moron. A bunch of retarded fanfiction - especially one as bad as Legacy - is, in fact, irrelevant.>Emp[ire undergoing heavy rebranding from beurocratic theocracy to military republic, formed around esprit de corps makes sense.No, it doesn't. Empire was already a military Republic. Perhaps you forgot, but the Republic had never had a standing military, and once it got one - that's when it started degrading into the Empire.>Besides, Imperial designs are too damn popular, so you cannot be more Lucas-like with keeping them around.What are you even saying? Complete non-sequitur. Like everything in the EU, it's a shitty knock-off and looks shittier than the original.>>98315995>In the first draftDesperately grasping at straws here, man. This shit was already gone by the second draft - for obvious reasons. And never reappeared again. Never appeared in the finished product.>A liberal monarchy is essentially George's idealized government, you can see it on Naboo, Alderaan, etc.Except George's monarchs were ELECTED in a democratic process, they were not hereditary kings and Emperors, you fucking retard. George's idealized government is liberal democracy. That's why Rebellion was an Alliance to Restore the Republic. That's why in his sequels the Republic was restored. That's what the heroes fought and sacrificed for. Not for fucking Empire with fucking Stormtroopers and ugly star destroyers, with hereditary fucking Emperors, Council of Moffs and centralized government. This is slap in the face to everything the actual, real Star Wars stands for. It's retarded fanfiction for stupid fanboys who can't own the fact that they like evil faction, so they need it whitewashed.>And with the aesthetics, the Prequels showed us them being the aesthetics of the good guys, who were slowly corrupted overtime.What? What the fuck are you talking about?EU trannies are retarded
>>98315184For all its faults and very divergent style and tone, Andor understands the themes of Star Wars: resistance against authoritarianism, tyranny, corporatism and fundamental, violent rejection of the Empire and everything it represents. Much of the EU is retarded and doesn't understand Star Wars, hence rampant Imperial whitewashing, rendering the entire narrative comically pointless.
>>98316561You need to get killed. That's a pretty simple statement. Dictatorships are and will always be superior to democracies. All democracies need to be smashed with nuclear warheads. At least 10 times.
>>98316581Andor sucks ass and is pretty much unwatchable.
>>98316561How does it feel to know literally everyone except a couple of Andortrannies thinks you're a retard? People like you always interest me because a reasonable person would take a step back and ask whether they're missing something, but your sort instead seem to view being a tiny, tiny, minority that everyone else laughs at as somehow being validation.
>>98307437>Empire being "benevolent" and ruling the galaxy is dogshit and fundamentally anti-Star Wars and contradicts Lucas' entire worldview.I think (You) and Lucas are dead wrong here, especially within the context of his own Campbell/Jungian influences for SW, and if I ever met him in person I'd probably hand him copies of Moore & Gillette. The archetype of the king, and even a shadow king is not inherently and metaphysically evil but his commie/leftoid upbringing won't let him admit it. He even has to walk back his royalty being 'elected' because he thinks democracy is superior to aristocracy even though the central plot of the PT is a failure of democracy and there is zero real critique beyond the bad guy wants autocracy and the nice person wants democracy.
>>98316610A democracy invented the Nuclear Warhead
>>98317285That was Germany. Democracies don't invent anything bar decadence.
>>98316561>It will always be relevant since he created Star WarsIt cannot be relevant, because George was constantly changing his opinion to better rotate around the market's demand.>Empire was already a military Republic.It's been anything BUT military Republic. Top-3 Imperial characters who were calling the shots durring OT weren't part of the Imperial military.Palp and Ani - sith (religious theocracy)Tarkin - Grand Moff (autocratic beurocracy)>What are you even saying?I am refering to Lucas editing ANH and cutting off the moment when Han shot first.
>>98317285>A democracyOpen Constitution
>>98317408>George was constantly changing his opinion to better rotate around the market's demand.He did it quite intelligently, too.
>>98317408Palp and Ani may have been Sith but they did not rule as a religious theocracy
>>98317528Yeah that's why I said beurocratic theocracy. Secret religious cult ruling through beurocratic machine.
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>>98313947It has an interesting premise; I mean, any story set way, way before the prequels gives you a lot of breathing room, yet they still fumble it up; the whole story feels like a big mess and comes off as odd at timesThe cast actors I don't mind; they all seem good, but they're forced to play really bad characters who are meant to be idiots or come off as idiots when they're meant to be portrayed as competent. It doesn't help that they have bad hairstyles; looking at you, Yord, and the only character I like was just Bazil, and he's a bloody otter-beaver alien thing
>>98317367The scientists working on the nuclear bomb left Germany when it became a dictatorship, because Hitler thought nuclear physics was a "Jewish science". They literally pissed away their chance to develop the weapon that could have won them the war because dictatorships care more about appeasing whatever delusions the Great Leader is having this week instead of doing the smart thing.
>>98317675You mean the military autocracy? The Empire of New Hope is one that has shed all institutions other than the military. Nobody was obeying the Empire out of fear of beauracracy. Nor were they even aware or even cared about the dark powers of the sith.
>>98317200>>98317408I think you should dilate and fuck off to Warhammer. Star Wars isn't for you and you clearly fucking hate it. You're only into it for superficial aesthetic reasons.
>>98316561>Except George's monarchs were ELECTED in a democratic processwas that lore in TPM?I thought it was a change in Attack of the Clones to basically make it easy for Padme to still be doing things and not be tied to Naboo
>>98318344Most fun interpretation of the situation (and the one I use whenever I do games) is that it's another example of the Republic infecting everything with democracy as if it's a virtue in and of itself.Similar to the Ruusan Reformations.The idea that there are ancient cultures with their own ideals and histories that've been basically Globohomo'd into submission by an uncaring Bureaucratic paste-making machine ran by retards and career politicians (but I repeat myself) who couldn't and wouldn't tolerate the differences between various worlds fits with the whole 'The Republic has gone astray somewhere along the line' theme that led to the empire.After all, what is more Imperialistic than the quiet use of back room politics by a pack of unprincipled, self-interested oligarchic anywheres to engage in the forced cultural cleansing of the somewheres that they're meant to be looking out for?
>>98318311Star Wars is about redemption of the irredeemable and confronting evil inside and out. You do know George held TWO banquets in Joseph Campbell's honor, yeah?>I disagree here's why>FUCK YOU FUCK YOU KJGHAKDAre you okay? Is this guy a regular schizo, is he always like this?
>>98320528Some nice looking clones anon
One for the nostalgia gang:gofile.io/d/JJ6VbU
To the Janny who deleted my posts: Alright, fine, thanks for not deleting the first post I made talking about the Russan Reformation since that's one of the most interesting aspects of Star Wars
>>98306920>>98307259>>98307437I liked the eu comics. They were fun and I have some somewhere. Wonder how much the paper comics are worth now.I always thought the Disney canon was good ideas and bad execution. The mud trooper designs are nice to me.I think the EU was mostly good ideas with better execution than Disney canon.But that’s just me. I didn’t mean to say EU was perfection. I know there were some really rotten stories in there but I don’t know the specifics.
>>98318311yet this post didn't get removed, very strange.
>>98317167Anon, this guy is Filonifag. Literally his ENTIRE existence is shitting on the EU and other media to cope with TCW slowly losing support as people realize how shit it really is. That's it. He has a Twitter account where he reposts shit from Archives and acts all clever about it, then spends 24/7 hunting down anything even slightly related to the EU to seethe about how Filoni is Lucas' perfect successor and how the EU "didn't get it"He's been shamed and mocked numerous times but he just doesn't give up, he's too autistic to do so.Also note that he ONLY pushes the part of lore which fits in his own tiny conception bred by TCW, so anytime anyone shows him Lucas coming up with a different take he can't take it. One time an anon showed him some shit about Lucas saying Palpatine was actually thinking about the good of the galaxy in RotS and that he loved Anakin and he seethed to no end, saying that "he didn't mean thaaat!". Another time people used the RotS novel as proof that Lucas had some consideration of the EU and he pulled out a quote from a random Del Rey editor about how Lucas apparently didn't line read it (same Del Rey editor has been in multiple subreddits retracting that very statement and confirming Lucas did line read it lmao)
>>98307107>implying Fagloni would ever give Ahsoka to anybody else instead of retconning it so that his self insert bangs her and becomes her husbandkek
>>98319353Elective monarchies are a real thing, though they ended up either turning into hereditary monarchies or into democracies over time. I think there might still be one or two tiny countries that still technically are elective monarchies (the Vatican is one if we consider the Pope the equivalent of a monarch).They're not really democracies, as instead of the people voting for a new king, you have a council of nobles that elects one among themselves to be the next king.
>>98321797Do you think there's only one person that doesn't like the EU, especially Legacy? What's next? Are you gonna tell me Dark Nest, Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi were misunderstood masterpieces? Lmao, fuck off. Most of the EU sucked and anyone who was actually there reading it as it came out knows it. Sounds like you're off your pills, you larping manchild schizo.>people used the RotS novel as proof that Lucas had some consideration of the EU and he pulled out a quote from a random Del Rey editor about how Lucas apparently didn't line read itLucas told Stover to write whatever he wanted as long as it's good and doesn't violate the story of the film. Stover said himself he had never seen Lucas personally edit the novel. It was sent to him with some edits from the updated screenplay. That doesn't suggest that Lucas read the entirety of it and edited it line-by-line. It suggests that Lucas (we don't even know if it was actually Lucas personally or some middle-man from the Licensing department) remotely gave feedback on specific parts. The novel still differed drastically from the film and heavily contradicted it. Inserting EU into it was entirely Stover's doing, not Lucas'. Lucas did meet and talk to Stover before he was hired to write the novelization, and he may have provided some feedback. That is known. However there is nothing to suggest that every single word, every single sentence in that novel was read and approved by Lucas, thus making it sound like "Lucas had some consideration of the EU!" That's a baseless leap in logic and just your headcanon, because you've got nothing but this flimsy excuse. Lucas has never considered any novels or the EU to be canon. He never read them. He said it personally more times than your inbred brain can count, he's been saying the same thing for over 20 years. Deal with it.>same Del Rey editor has been in multiple subreddits retracting that very statement and confirming Lucas did line read it lmaoSource?
>>98322372nigger i don't like legacy either and yet i don't go around whining like a retardjust pick and choose what you like and stfu
>>98322389Maybe that one obsessed faggot with shit taste should stop spamming ugly Legacy slop in every thread for years on end.
>>98322454retard this is the sw tg thread. shit is obviously gonna be eu like d6 or d20why do you come to a thread for shit surrounding the eu then get mad at it? go to tv and make a thread on the films and how everything else got it wrong but don't spam a thread that's inherently for eu media
>>98322372Masterpieces? No. But I'll state with certainty they're more overhated than the Prequels ever were. If those sloppy turds can be "reappraised" then some middling licensed fanfics certainly can be.Your problem is that you reveal yourself every time because you can't keep a lid on yourself. Plenty of people have issues with the EU, only *you* go into frothing, screeching, limb-flailing autistic toddler-tier meltdowns at the merest suggestion that it isn't 100% shit from the ass of a turd.
>>98322760prequels were always great
>>98322834Great? No.But they were at least solid.Most of the critiscism aimed at the prequels boils down to 'this could have been so much better'The sequels however, are just irredeemably shit for a multitude of reasons.There may be the odd piece of cool stuff hidden in the dungheap, but it is buried deep.
>>98322834Nope! They had a few good bits and a good building block for actual good stories to be told, they're a complete mess
>>98315184NOTHING disneywars is 'star wars'. At all.
>>98316581OK COMMIE.
>>98317408MOFF literally means Military OFFicial.
>>98322372Look at this zoom zoom faggot pretending he was even alive then.Nice strawmen, zoomie
>>98324439idk man, I like the B-wing Mk 2
>>98324453never stated anywhere, not from george or any slop disney or EU writers
>>98321797>it's poopdickschizoblow your brains out discord userstop trying to give personalities and names to your thread boogiemen
