Warbands Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98284686>Thread Question:Now that GW decided to fully support <1000pts games, do you think they will ever follow up with an actual skirmish supplement as well?
>TQI assume it's only a matter of time, hoping for a Mordheim revival tbqh
>>98290897Oath mark waits for you
I want GW to give us a Night Gobbo themed Battle March with angry meatballs
>>98290912Here you go bro
>>98290924Pretty sure this exceeds 600 points
>>98290950>waiter, my food is too delicious
>>9829095340k players do not know this feeling
What is a good justification for a Battle March sized Chaos Warband somehow roaming the Empire/Old World at such a paultry scale?Beastmen and Orcs are everywhere, fairly easy to justify them. But Chaos Warriors and north men seem a bit more challenging.
>>98290888I don't believe GW will ever release a fully fledged skirmish game like Mordheim or even Warcry but it would cost them nothing to give us a Fantasy version of AoS Skirmish. It was initially released as a stand-alone booklet but they managed to condense it to the point where it was publishable as a White Dwarf article. It was hardly any balanced but it was a fun little game that my non-wargaming friends enjoyed greatly, for some of them it even served as a gateway drug.Imagine the absolutely adorable "taster" boxes acting as 1-player starter sets with a selection of single sprues from various units. How about 4 knights, 4 men-at-arms, 4 bowmen and a command sprue for Brets? O&G could get 5 footslogging Gobbos, 5 Wolf Riders and maybe 2 of those Boyz/Arrer Boyz sprues. No need to come up with any new FOMO DLC-slop minis, just print money with the same molds that are being used for 25 years now.
should i shell out for the MTO baggage train or
>>98291011I really hope this post was created by artificial intelligence rather than real stupidity. Jesus, how can a man be lacking imagination so much? I pity you golem.
>>98291011Remenents of Frydaals forces that got smashed by Miao and are now on their own, razing hell as they make their way back north via a land route.
>>98291032MTO is never worth it unless you really want your minis to be weighty but even then it's better to buy 3D prints that are not only of better quality than cast metal minis but you can simply glue washers under their bases.
>TQAt some point if TOW keeps getting supportedMaybe they will use a variant of the new Necromunda rules
>>98291011There is a WFRP supplement for 4e(pic related) that gives an example of a Chaos Warband that is trying to stay stealthy while travelling south for their own reasons so you could use that for inspiration
>>98290894Any sauce on that Elf?
>>98291032you won't for either
>tfw no one wants to buy the cathay half of my box
>>98291011>splintered portion of a larger army that's roaming and raiding on its own>personal honor quest of the champion and closest retinue
>>98291107I will Jackson
Anyone here playing TOW online? Is Tabletop Simulator any good for that? I want to play a bit with a friend before fully committing to yet another wargame.
You know 40k used to have rules for IG regiments that they didn't make models for. Would be nice if we had rules for the various other Chaos worshipers around the rest of the planet.Especially if you want diversity. Hard to do if you hard lock the main antagonist faction to a group based on Aryan nations.
>>98291107It's a hard sell for anyone who already got the batallion and that would be most people interested in Cathay. Afraid you'll have to add them to your pile of shame bud
>>98291011Darker red looks better imo
>>98291199can you do a highly saturated rainbow scheme?
Man I hope we get that siege giant from total war warhammer. >>98291199can you do a blue, white, and teal color scheme on them?
>>98291199Can you do them in trans flag colors?
>>98291128Just go to Warhammer World and play the demo there if you're a britGOD, otherwise sit in the cuck chair at the LGS and watch someone play, or watch batreps
>>98291258That would require owning the models to do so, sir
>>98291263So what's even the point of trolling in three Warhammer threads at once?
schizo retard
>>98291011How do you justify the undead factions going around doing things?
>>98291283No point in trolling 40k threads bc theyre filled with secondaries who will never touch a model in their lives, the thread trolls itself
>>98291041I like this, thank you. >>98291108This as well. Its just Chaos Warriors are generally seen as the big threat. Seemed odd for them to be in the middle of the south somehow and causing chaos. >>98291059Do you have a link to the supplement please?>>98291037Beep Boop
>>98291321Supplement should in the WFRP pastebin under the name of Bayl of many eyes
>>98291128Tabletop Sim is a nightmare, give Warhall a try it's design for WHFB/TOW
>>98291321I just don't think anything in the battle march box screams vikings, particularly strongly.
>>98291332Bless you sir>>98291360Ditto. Outside of the initial hype, while great sculpts in themselves, I still prefer the old hunchbacks.
>>98291283AoS players troll themselves by pretending they actually play dying tranny game and don't just collect the models. If they play at all they play Spearhead, which is just Mordheim For Dummies but with even fewer models.
The Church of Sigmar tried to erase the truth, to rewrite history; much was lost, forgotten forever. But not everything. Often the evidence was right under our noses all along, available to anyone willing to see it.>top left corner: Big Dragon = Miao Ying>bottom right corner: human headed dragon = dragon-blooded child of Miao and Sigmar.
Will TOW get any Warhammer Quest content? They did absolutely nothing for the 30th anniversary.
>>98291452That Warhammer + series is all you will get
>>98291455>Warhammer+No thanks!
>>98291452Haha, no.
>>98291458Please think of James.... he needs your monthly recurring support...
>>98291332Found it and its a gem alright. Though is this a retcon? Chaos Warriors still need to eat? Goddamn.
>>98291493fantasy is never at all consistent with its lore over time so just dont worry about the nitty detials.
>>98291493despite what the armybooks might have said at times, warriors don't come with standardized powers
>>98291493them needing to eat, means they need to raid and attack farms, so it leads to conflict and adventure or battle opportunities
>>98291493It is against the best interests of Slaanesh and Khorne to take away their mortals ability to starve
>>98291452Only played the Rodeo games one. It was fun for a bit but got repetitive fairly quickly and a bit retarded with how often ambushes started happening and how much gold you had to grind to level up. Is the tabletop game like that?
>>98291558it's a Nurgle Warband in that book though
>>98291471If the people making my tabletop james still looked like this, maybe. Bunch of slack-jawed faggots (and worse, foids) around there now.
>>98291558I get Slaanesh for hedonism, but khorne warriors don't seem to benefit from eating.
New high elf battle march box is very disappointingFeels bad man
>>98291581better than the theoretical Bretonnian one or the Empire one
>>98291581It’s probably the best box out of the bunch though? Easy double pick up for a new player, can’t double up on any other battle march box
>>98291591>two of the bird kite things Nah…I’m good.
Why did they publish a single novel at launch and then nothing?
>>98291596i think it's just one
>>98291598The novel sucked, and most of current BL authors don't give a fuck about Fantasy.
>>98291598BL only cares about 40k and HH/scouring AoS barely gets any books either
>>98291596Skycutters are very good mini bolt thrower chariots.
>>98291577Oh shit the old ones exist lol.Humans didn't evolve
>>98291622> AoS barely gets any books eitherIt used to back in 2nd edition. I wonder if they stopped because it has something to do with the reboot.
>>98290924>>98290950>>98290953you can get this down to like ~350pts using all these models, or up to over 700 with gear. The real problem is you can't get enough points in core without a banner or some fanatics. I'm not sure how to best expand this little force, maybe some night gobbo archers?Still, those trolls are a fun kit, color me tempted.
>>98291562I just don't know why any Chaos God would give completely free universal non-staravtion. If you have the gifts of the ruinous gods and can't get fucking food you probably don't deserve to ascend to princehood.
>>98291642or no one bought them
I enjoy the AoS books
>>98291665Nah aos books were really popular way back when. One of the established writers for 40k said that one of his books for aos outsold his 40k series book. I mean I doubt they come anywhere close to 30k BL in terms of sales, but it had its time.
>>98291674fair enough. Maybe GW had to fire a lot of BL editors for whatever reason, so they only focus on things they know will hit there market
>>98290924Can't believe what they replaced this box because nobody bought the snarlpack box
So if I have the island of blood box and I get the battle march box I'll have>10 reavers>20 seaguard>10 swordmasters>griffon guy>bird chariot >1 chariot>5 sisters of avelorn>mageIs that a decent start? What else do I need to get?
Large parts of 40k are borderline unrepresented in BL, and you guys are expecting proper representation for fantasy
>>98291746Id get a mage on a dragon or phoenix guard because I think both are very cool. If you want a competitive answer probably more sisters of averlorn and maybe white lions?
>>98291754Not proper but something at least.I'm surprised they never bothered with something low effort like a short story anthology
>>98290897I conduct a dark ritual every night to ensure that never ever happens.
>>98290897
Since the Great Horned Rat is a major chaos god in Smegma, do they have a mark as wargear for Slaves of Darkness?
>>98291754I am not expecting it nor do I want it. We have 30 years of Warhammer fantasy novels they can and will rerelease. Lords of the Lance was an insult to the setting and if there is a risk of that happening again I’d rather we not get any new BL novels. Almost all of them from the past decade have been irredeemable slop, not that they were amazing before, they used to be very hit or miss. Now it’s all shit except for maybe Peter Feheravi
If I get Chaos side of starter set + chaos battle march set:>24 warriors>20 marauders>5 marauders horsemen>8 chaos knights>1 sorcerer>1 aspiring champ bsb>mounted aspiring champWhat would you anons suggest to get next for a decent army (doesn't have to be cookie cutter metafag list, just something that complements what I have)
>>98291815probably some more warriors and chosen
>>98291815Chosen are probably the best meta pick but you have to kitbash those. Personally I’d go with the chaos dragon lord because it’s a slick as fuck model. Decide which way you want to theme your lads. And go from there. The Giant Chaos Spawn is also really cool if you’re open to resin. Skinwolves are badass but those are more Norscan themed than generic WoC
>>98291815>>98291848Not chosen, Forsaken* brain fart
Whats a solid start to a Renegade Crowns army? I love the idea of the army but I'm paralysed by choice and not sure where to begin. Ideally I'd start with Battle March.Sellswords seem pretty good so a solid core of 20-30 with heavy armour & shields to escort my general. Brigands seem to do a lot as well.Knights look pretty shitty next to Empire/Brets, so maybe use Ogres instead?
>>98291815ForsakenDragon OgresGigantic Spawn of Chaos Warpfire DragonLord on DragonHoundsAll of those are good units.Check point costs tho, you can't run a giant spawn with warpfire dragon for example.Though I'd prioritize Dragon ogres and one or two of the monsters, got core filled out with that setup already. Forsaken are usually taken as cost effective core. You don't need more warriors and marauders imo. Hounds are always great for dirt cheap fast disruption that hunts down enemy ranged.You can run knights as chosen knights too if you desire btw
>>98291601Whatever happened to that leaked tomb kings box anyway
>>98291815Dragon Ogress spam
>>98291671Do you enjoy watching cartoons as an adult as well?
>>98291913Look buddy I'm under no delusions about AoS books being pulpy trash like the rest of BL. I still get enjoyment out of them
>>98291903I hate coomers.
>>98292059
>>98291903>/wfg/ not be the furfag general challenge (impossible)
>>98291903>>98292065>the type of niggas who post ts on 4chan
>>98292089not fat enough
>>98291903>Not slaneshi dragon ogres Weak.
>>98291903Not bad.Would be better if breasts were a bit smaller
>>98292128>if breasts were a bit smallerCan't tell if gay or bait
>>98292117LUST ELVES
>>98291903There's got to be better proxies somewhere.
>>98291011>paultryWhat is it with this general, why are you niggers stuck at a sixth grade reading level?
>>98291560>bit retarded with how often ambushes started happening and how much gold you had to grind to level upThat's the game fren
>>98292089Honestly don't see the problem with this guy.
>>98292162>>98291903>>98292117I just made my own
>>98292141No I mean so it looks less coomerishThe minis aren't bad
>>98292180Truly the best of us coomer anon.
>>98291903I have these...
>>98292180These look fucking gay
>>98292177bummer
>>98291903>>98292117>>98292162>>98292180just use skullcrushers or bloodcrushers retard
>>98292202Could you post pics how they look painted
>>98292307
>>98292167A spelling error? Paltry.
>>98292321Printed?
Man mournfangs are ugly as shit now that they’re in my hands. Ogres both look out of place on them and the actual mount is kinda weird with its proportions
>>98292363You're just getting older and realizing how stupid wh shit really is
Seriously considering Old World with those new Warriors of Chaos minis, I think they did a (surprisingly) good job with them.How do WoC play in Old World? Are they gay now, or is it the same great armor with some magic?
>>98292386Wocs incredibly fucking boring with only maybe dwarves having them beat there in the “why am I wasting my time here” but they could potentially get new rules that actually makes them fun this weekend. Who knows. What I do know is that they’re last two arcane journals aren’t even fit for toilet paper.
>>98292386Premise is similar to before: Get in fast and kill the enemy. Best units are Chosen Knights, Dragon Ogres, Chaos Knights, Warhounds, Marauder Knights, Giant Chaos Spawn and Dragon Chaos Lords. Sorcerers help and a block of chaos warriors to bunker.
>>98292392my night is ruined and my machinations are in shambles.
>>98292392Not him but elaborate. Comparing WoC to Dwarfs sounds harsh.
>>98292386Just stay in 40k you faglord
>>98292399Marks (what’s left of them anyways) are false options Warriors are good for bunkers but besides that they’re meh Hero hammer is still kinda incentivized and it’s always the same builds that ever deliver Your items are honestly kinda shit outside of the auto includes, I’d argue they’re a win more thing which pisses me off The army is over reliant on nurgle spawn Your exclusive magic is kinda boring and doesn’t even need to exist Dragon ogres are just too cost effective to not take them making list building dumb Idk I could go on, but the army just doesn’t need thinking and I think in some games it’s kinda “solved” for lack of a better word. Also insert the obligatory >”where muh full plate for mah warriors” It’s a valid argument but I think the marks DESPERATELY need to be looked at again more than anything because something so iconic shouldn’t be so null.
>>98292202Could you share stl?
>>98292386Your baseline warriors are overcosted for what they do, having Heavy Armour instead of Full Plate. They're not terrible but, you're not getting much out of them than a speedbump whose points would be better going towards something like Marauders. Maybe they'll get some better rules with the new models release, but at least Chaos has lots of fun toys to play around with from daemon princes to lords on dragons (and even that's getting an upgrade) to dragon ogres. So there's no shortage of things to use, even if you're not going to have as tough an anvil as Warriors used to be, at least not without some buffs from a sorcerer.
>>98292407lick my shitcutter you bottomfeeding thirty year old larping mongoloid faggot.
>>98292425That...is a very reasonable set of points. Granted I think most armies are "solved" at this point thanks to comp. Stagnant unit choices being too good/bad to choose has always been a universal problem. >marksI get Mark of Khorne got rekt but whats the issue with the rest? Since 6th they all tended towards similar traits as now, for better or worse.
is this a reasonable 500pt battle march list?yes, all models are painted, but I've never played before. Will start asking around the FLG if anyone would humour me a learning game.>CharacterBray-Shaman, lv2, jagged dagger - 110 pts>Core17 Gor Herds, HW + shield, full command - 136 points5 Gor Herds, 2HW, skirmish formation - 42 pts11 ungor with bows>Special3 Minotaur Herds, Leader with GW, Musician with shield, regular dood with shield = 152 pts
>>98292454Seems fine to me man. Nice and balanced.
>>98291383>POW POW POW>BUST A CAP IN DAT NIGGA
>>98292442You just confirmed my sentiment
I unironically hope GW adds in Stormcasts to Old World to see the massive shitstorm it would cause
>>98292386Get in fast and picrel and you'll do well. Blitzkrieg army that's hard to beat in pitched melee.>some magicOnly good if you invest a lot in a Sorcerer Lord.
>>98292454Hell yea
>>98292493I'm kinda hoping GW gets bored enough to shit out an "official unofficial" TOW vs AOS skirmish format at somepoint. The trick here is it should be structured like a capture point game with TOW defending and AOS attacking.
>>98292454I think cost wise you can give those 5 gors ambush for the price of that single ungor. Well worth trying. Otherwise yeah looks good.
>>98292241Those aren't Dragon Ogres, you stupid ass.
>>98291903Oh, they've got alternate uh heads.
>>98291383>>98292473>AYO ON MY MAMA Sigmah be a real ass nigguh knawmean? He be krumpin' dem bitchass gump dadoo bixnood muhfuggahz on some EMPIRE shit fuhreel!BY ALL THE GODS! IT'S A SAVAGE ORC!>BLAM BLAM
>>98292180These look neat and I like the poses.
>>98292307Didn't get around to it yet. I intend to paint the dragon-y parts a teal blue, which I'm not familiar with painting yet. I'd like to use the bottom-right one as a Shaggoth since it doesn't have a bulbous and pronounced ass like the other two (which will stay personal projects).>>98292430Don't have it, sorry. I just saw someone selling them pre-printed on ebay for a good price and snatched them up.
>>98292647These look so fucking retarded that it's actually mind-blowing to me that a market exists for them
>>98292837The normal version looks ok imo >>98291903
>>98292162Clay Beast Creations are my favourite, they hit that sweet spot between dumb fucking animals but also insanely dangerous.
So apparently chaos warriors are going to be 16 / box, and rumor has it halberds/GW (and maybe dual weapons too?) are going to still be upgrade kit, just a sprue this time? This is pretty not great unless chosen kit is also on the way and it will be compatible with that.
>>98292647>>98291903huh
Is it just me, or are we getting 'Arcane Journal-bloat'?There just seems we're getting too many rule books (or booklets) compared to other editions.
>>98293013it's called milking the grogs to justify keeping tow existing
>>98293013>6th has two for DwarfsIs this a paint error or did they actually get two during 6th?
>>98293079They got two, you'll notice they didn't get one for 7th, they got theirs early.
>>98293013arcane journals aren't really armybooks, they're more like stuff you would have found in a white dwarf article and later collected in a compendium
>>98293013Why are you comparing army books with army books, free rules for unsupported armies AND narrative supplements?
>>98293079I think they got the second when they got all the plastic monkey arm kits.
>>98290888Is the picture in OP a legal Battle March or is it more of a diorama thing?
>>98293227diorama
>>98293227Yeah, diorama. This is from the Warhammer Warbands articles in white dwarf from around 6th edition. I think, might have been from the 7th edition reprint, it's one of the two.
>>98293013Arcane Journals aren't army books, and your chart is fucked up and wrong.do better
>>98293227Do you reply 'Amen' to AI posts on Facebook?
>>98293025Yeesh, I just hope they don't do the same shite with 2nd edition.>>98293095I'd called them supplements with lists on how one can play each faction. I chose to show them, rather than include the Rulebook in almost ever slot.>>98293125>WhyBecause they are comparable, I say. Each faction got multiple documents with army lists and unit profiles through the editions, yet not all factions got the same kind os support.The Chorfs, for example: in 4th edition they got themselves a supplement, which combined multiple WD articles; in 6th, the only support they got was a couple of pages in the Ravening Hordes book; in 8th they got a section in the Tamurkhan campaign book; and lastly in TOW they received a Legacy pdf. Not a single one was an Armybook like with the other factions, yet it was still a playable faction. >>98293313You're fucked up and wrong >:(you do better
>>98293329>he believes comments on facebook are actual people ironic
>>98293378That's the joke Anon.
>>98293233>>98293237Thanks, it looks great. No wonder since it's from a better time. I'll give ToW and Battle March a look anyway, might be something in for my thrifty ass.>>98293329Amen.
>>98293408>No wonder since it's from a better time>Yet, he couldn't tell on the first sight that it is not only an old picture but missed that there is 15 minis in the picture when Battle March forces have about 30-40 dudes eachGrog LARPers deserve a rope.
>>98293013lol it took me a while to realise that it's actually aligned from the top to the bottom, and not left to right
I've been playing 7/6e for some time with friends and I'm curious what's the quirks and meta of ToW since I know there's another group that plays it in my town. How are the dwarfs doing currently?
>>98293013Armies need books yes.
>>98293013Welcome to the SGS business model: spam endless supplements until your playerbase gets sick of the bloat then issue a revision/tidy up, repeat until players get sick of that too and then wipe the board with a new edition.
Long story short I'm doing a crossover fanfiction and Queek Headtaker Has basically gotten captured for Belegar Ironhammer I'm pretty sure that guy's going to kill the lot but how would dwarves handle an execution?
>>98293524I doubt they'd do anything for a Skaven but stick and axe in him at the earliest opportunity.
>>98293507Dwarfs are decent. They have their usual problem of deploying slightly wrong can cost you a game, but overall I’ve been pleased with how tanky they are.The only meta I know of is dragon spam, but I only play with personal friends who aren’t asswipes so I’ve never experienced it. Overall I’ve been enjoying TOW despite some of its mechanics being a little clunky.
>>98293516How is this any different to how every game used to work before the purge? They just released all of this in WDs that if you missed the single month they were sold for you'd have to wait for the possibility of a compendium book released a year later. These journals should be soft cover and cheap but that's a different issue.
>>98293527>>98293524Oh I don't intend for him to live but I'm thinking a scene like a public execution done by Belegar Ironhammer Himself with a loaf of friendship or Valor to the courageous to kid muscle and his Chōjin friends.What I basically want to know is is it going to be short and simple like you deserve worse than this in death but just hit something into his arch enemies head to kill him instantly or are the dowie the guys who would make it long and pay for cuz I know they're even high Elves who do that.
>>98293547I don't think they'd do a public execution. They'd just kill him.
>>98293511Does Cathay need 4 books though?
>>98293570I'd argue they need as many as space marines do in 30k.
>>98293013I don’t mind them since they’re all optional content. I have the ones I like/will use, and most of them I let pass by.
>>98293570Cathay doesn't have 4 books, it has 2 for its 2 waves of model release.
>>98293516>oh no more content for my game lord save me ahh
>>98293621>content that should be free
I'm starting Cathay I hear some boxes are going away. Is there anything I should pick up while I still can?
>>98293632>Is there anything I should pick up while I still can?your pride as a man.
>>98293640what's with the seethe?
>>98293626it is free you fucking retard
Anyone have that leaked image of the Tomb Kings box?
>>98293621>more contentI'd prefer quality over quantity.we have had a brand new faction in need of actual worldbuilding and instead all we got for 5 years has been the same paragraph about cathay being a harmonious place ruled over by a handful of named dragons for 5000 years, paraphrased again and again and again and again and again.
>>98293657>worldbuilding>genuinely asking for entire novels of loreslop in a fucking wargame and calling it quality to top it off.Secondaries are a fucking plague.
>>98293632Frankly, I would wait because there's about to be a huge amount of cheap cathay on the secondary market as people try to sell their half of the core box.
>>98293667Wars are litteraly about worldbuilding.
It's going to be another one of those threads, isn't it?
>>98293680It's about worlblowing actually
>>98293667I'm not asking for novels, you don't build fluff from novels, the thought itself outs you out as some homo heresy reject yourself.it was normal fucking decency to have beautifully in-depth armybooks once, I have lizardmen armybooks with more fluff in 3 of their pages than cathay in 3 of their journals.and don't try some retarded take like "fluff doesn't matter in a wargame", we're here because we like the setting and the miniatures that are instructed by and instruct in turn that setting, not because the rules are a masterpiece of game design.any sort of information about a place or a faction ends up influencing the miniatures and the rules, and the least the info, the blandest the rules and models.
>>98293621Are you genuinely retarded?If it's something I like, then it is a crucial addition and everyone should wonder how this game even functioned before the introduction of that content.If it's something I don't care about, it's pointless slop and bloat and everyone should be mad at GW on my behalf.It's THIS simple.
>>98293710That's MY opinion you fucking retard. It's what I like that matters.
>>98293706>I have lizardmen armybooksCan we see them? Preferably with a timestamp in the photo.
>>98293706>we're here because we like the setting and the miniatures that are instructed by and instruct in turn that setting, not because the rules are a masterpiece of game designIt always surprises me that Warhammer piggies have such a hard time admitting this. I got into GW's games in 2010 and it was never about the game themselves. Hell, I managed to play most of the WFB editions, with 40k I even tried Rogue Trader with a game master and shit. I honestly believe the best Fantasy and 40k have ever been was during their 4th edition but with 3rd edition Armybooks and Codexes and even then both games were okayish wargames at best if compared with their competitors. What kept me around for so long was the setting first and foremost, then local popularity of both systems and minis on the third place. I have never met a person in my life that played any non-GW games only to claim that WFB or 40k are worth being played just for their rules.
>>98293706I'm not reading any of that shit secondary, keep stacking boxes of grey plastic in your closet while you watch youtube lore videos but don't voice your dogshit opinion that GW should release loreslop instead of actual game material for the actual fucking game.
>>98293724NTA but here are mine and I agree with that guy that lore-focused content in AJ is quite bad and neglected.
>>98293752Stop projecting.
>>98293673I'm going to buy the core boxWill I need/want duplicates?
>>98293780I think you need to get some testosterone and lay off the E
>>98293781
I started writing a Warhammer Fantasy fanfic inspired by a piece of artwork of a female Ogre carrying around a terrified Cathayan woman like she'd found the world's cutest collectible.The premise is that the Ogre is Grolga, a granddaughter of Greasus Goldtooth, who "kidnaps" a Cathayan disciple named Mei—not to eat her, but because she wants to show her off during an Ogre show-and-tell contest with other young Ogres.Instead of turning into a rescue story or a grimdark horror story, it becomes a slice-of-life look at the Ogre Kingdoms through Mei's eyes. She ends up staying in a permanent human trade settlement protected by Greasus and Zhao Ming's trade agreements and spends a month studying Ogre society, trade, Gnoblars, merchants, diplomacy, and everyday life on the Ivory Road.It's basically an anthropology story disguised as a comedy. The Ogres aren't "good guys"—they're just operating on Ogre logic, and Mei slowly realizes there's a lot more to Ogre civilization than the rest of the world gives them credit for.
>>98293787I need to know how much ai was involved with this.
>>98293759Only a secondary who doesn't play would ask GW to sell him loreslop over game material. And considering it'd be nuLoreSlop, that makes you a giga faggot troon on top of it for wanting that gay shit.
>>98293790 Usually I get started with a few things of AI and then tried to make the scenes myself.
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>>98293798ok faggot.
>>98293652If you ever encounter incredible hostility seemingly out of nowhere you should know that we have a resident manlet who spends his free time here seething at Warhammer fantasy while trying to find ways to post Perry and/or historical off topic pictures. He has a very particular brand of mental illness. It’s best to not respond to him, he usually talks to himself after enough of a time which is pretty entertaining to witness
>>98293780You probably won't want duplicates on the cathay side
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>>98293796Nobody said anything about good fluff coming at the expense of good crunch.The arcane journals are not good crunch either, they're the barest minimum to convince faggots like you to pay for a subpar product "because you need to have all the rules" gw ever puts out.>inb4 tee hee I know they're a shit format, I don't actually buy them!
>>98293787That was already done, more or less.
>>98293787Doesn't Greasus have a Mongol-esque diverse court of human advisors, cooks, diplomats, etc to handle his affairs for him? I think I read something like that once
>>98293888Nobody buys them, we're all using builders you retard. You'd know that if you actually played the game. And they're pretty good actually everybody's been using options from The War of Settra's Fury or The Razing of Westerland or even the matched play before that.Confirmed secondary.
>>98293916I buy most of them. I’ll happily pay $30 every 3-6 months for a little bit of extra lore content and some new art.
>>98293916>Nobody buys themImagine getting stuck in an echo chamber this much.
>>98293929The arts pretty bad though. I still don’t get how people can find the marauder vs Cathay piece even remotely good.
>>98293939I genuinely enjoy that piece quite a bit actually. One of my favorite Cathay pieces outside the shugengen lady, the sentinel in the swamp and the general background sketches of cathayan architecture. I think they should do more worldbuilding art. The sketches of the cathayan boats/canals did more for me wanting to start Cathay than any of the dragon fight art.
>>98293929Yeah, so not to actually play. >>98293936Imagine being this much of an autistic retard who couldn't hold the context of one post in his head.No one who actually plays/uses them for the crunch buy them because no one who's not 65+ will want to sip through hundreds of pages dispersed on 4 different books while playing the game instead of having literally everything accessible on 2 swaps from the list on your phone for free.
>>98293916>nobody values them as a format, but they're good I swear because people want to have as many of the rules as gw puts outwhat a way to go
>>98293955Oh my bad yeah. As a format for play they are not very good. But I don’t think army books would solve the play issue either. As I think I and everyone else I know would still just use builders that have all the info needed built right into them.
>>98293955>No one who actually plays/uses them for the crunch buy themAgain, you are wrong. Normies do buy them, most TOW players I know IRL have all the books and even use sticky notes to mark FAQs and shit.
>>98293955>2 small rules dispersed into hundreds of pages is good game content actually!
>>98293948Glad you enjoy it at least. Lord knows I tried to give Cathay a chance
>>98293976I think in general the art has become a lot better. Although I think it depends on the artist. I don’t like the core armies arcane journal art for the most part. It’s not bad, but it’s not up to the Warhammer standard for me. I think the same guy who did those pieces did the Battle March cover, which I also feel is very underwhelming quality wise for someone raised on 6th-8th edition art.
>>98293790Given that he used ai to write the fucking 4chan post I wouldn't hold out hope
>>98293780I don't know much about cathay, but from what I've heard the core and battle march boxes (one of each) combine nicely, and that's likely the intention. That should already get you most of the way to a full army.
>>98293955>He unironically thinks that piracy is a default mode of acquiring digital goods by NPCs in 2026Imagine being this out of touch, lol lmao even.
>>98293962They're good because they have usable content that are used by players. Phones are infinitely better than books to find rules while playing. Now the real question is why do you keep yapping.>>98293973I wish you could realize how clueless you sound but alas you'd have to play the game for that to happen.>>98293971Why you do mix two irrelevant facts? FAQs are on the main book. I play every week and I haven't met a single person who has bought every single book. There's like 17 fucking books my guy.>>98294007>using builders>piracyHoly fucking retard, no wonder these threads are shit, it's literally packed full of secondaries.
>>98294012>They're good because they have usable content that are used by players.Good compared to what? Compared to nothing? Because the argument here is that they have too little content compared to the amount an older format would have, and you even admit you don't consider them worthy to be purchased because the few rules you would use from them are scattered over too many pages of too many books.So you agree with what I'm saying but you have to seethe and moan and cry and project your issues and pray I fit into your boogeyman profile because I dared to bring up fluff as one of the things books are valued for? How do you rationalize this in your head exactly?
>>98292443I think the main complaint is that people want them to be more powerful. >NurgleRerolling natural 6s to hit in close combat isn't going to happen all too often, and is definitely a hard nerf compared to 8th ed. which gave the opponent a flat -1 to hit in close combat. But atleast it's thematic in that it makes them virtually immune to poison.>Tzeentch Honestly seem rather nice to me since the nerf to high lvl wizards. The only real complaint I'd have for it would be that the +1 to casting spells if Unit Strength is over 10 encourages bunkering over other playstyles.>Slaanesh The immunity to panic tests seems nice enough and is certaintly fluffy, but the +1 I in the first round of combat is really situational. Given the latest changes to infantry though it has added the possibility to make an anvil that strike at I7 when charged.
>>98293673Why do people say this? There's not much Cathay on the market as is.
>>98294208Because they're about to release a starter set featuring brand new sculpts for one of the most popular armies in the game (and in AoS, as a little extra) opposite to existing sculpts for cathay, which is a faction not many people collect (yet)?
>never cared much for ogres>new AoS Ogres announced, some nice sculpts>get 6th ed army book and read about them for the first time>cathay features heavily in it>thinking about building tow cathay and ogres nowJames got me again
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>>98294228James lost me when he didn't give us a christmas greetings video last year
Need beastwoman of Hashut to collar me
>>98294073>Because the argument here is that they have too little content compared to the amount an older format would haveYou're the only one having this argument, but that's a really fucking retarded argument considering they have little to nothing in common and the "older formats" were completely all over the place. I'm still laughing at the 100 pages hard cover 8e supplement with 10 pages of rules to create a campaign and like 80 pages of a fucking battle report.Meanwhile The Razing of Westerland is half the size with like 25 pages of rules, including rules to create a campaign, battle scenarios, units, options, spells, and like 20 magic items usable by anybody. >and you even admit you don't consider them worthy to be purchased because the few rules you would use from them are scattered over too many pages of too many books.No you retard, they're not worth purchasing because they're books and phones shit on books.I play constantly and the only book I bought was the core one off-hand for $20 because it was more comfortable to learn the game on the shitter. I stopped bringing it to the table after a few games and it's been collecting dust for nearly two years now. >So you agree with what I'm sayingNope, you're just not understanding what it is like to actually play the game.>because I dared to bring up fluff as one of the things books are valued for?Wrong again, you said you'd rather have quality content like world building and when you were made fun of for being a secondary who don't play the game you tried (and still try) to pretend supplements don't have useful rules anyways. Which is a complete joke to anyone who actually plays the game.You've been given examples every time and still argue like a woman by trying to gaslight yourself, it's just sad.
>>98291877Hireling Outriders are great. Just a really flexible unit - though, be careful you don't let them get too expensive at a Battle March size.Don't forget your mercenary options, either.
>>98293955I prefer having the physical rulebooks and paging through them to find the rules over using a computer or a phone to look at them. It's also a lot easier to show your opponent the ruels via the use of a physical book rather than pointing at text on a small screen. Furthermore, I'm there to play a wargame with another human being, so I'd prefer to spend as little time as possible interacting with a device.Also, with adequate use of the index, the mightiest part of any book, you can find what you need very quickly.This all being said, yes, the arcane journals and the ravening hordes/forces of fantasy books are not a suitable replacement for the army books of the past. I have no desire to collect the TOW books that are not directly relevant to my army (Chaos) and I only get the AJs that are relevant (though to be clear, even those AJs are largely trash) because I play the game. They have zero value beyond that and I do not think they will be looked back at fondly in the future.
>>98294283>Furthermore, I'm there to play a wargame with another human being, so I'd prefer to spend as little time as possible interacting with a device.Yeah that's why people use phones instead of spending half a game looking up rule/stats/items/spells in different books
>>98294296I reject your premise completely on the basis that two people have an easier time looking through a book together while a phone is too small to allow for cooperative searching.
>>98294305ok boomer
>>98294305> two people have an easier time looking through a book together
>>98294253>campaign supplements are bad because I only value the rules that people use (read: tournament play)>there were multiple older formats, which means I won't take any into account, even the good ones>no, I don't agree with what you're saying (that the books have bad value) but I still don't value those books anyway >I didn't just chimp out when you mentioned fluff, I [chimped out when you mentioned fluff]>secondary secondary secondary secondary secondary!Not a good showing.
>>98294328Every single one of your post shows you're completely clueless and yet you keep yapping random shit every time, it's retarded it could be based if your posts weren't also so faggy.
>>98294364You made me search their website and they did in fact wished us a merry christmas. Still won't give them my money though.
>>98294433Guess janny tranny didn't like my post. The Red Gobbo is older than he is, so I don't blame him for not knowing it.
i recently played another game (not gw related) for the first time without the physical manual, and let me tell you it was a fucking shit experienceonly phoneborns and phone addicts can enjoy referencing a pdf in a 6inch screen
>>98294364Holy schizo.
>>98294530Use a laptop or tablet, why are you referencing a book on a phone? Old people are fucking retarded.
>>98294530>6inch screenNext you will come to us complaining that reading a rulebook on a smartwatch sucks.
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>>98294575not that anon but I'd rather just read the physical bookalso, the anon who has been arguing for reading the rules on a device has been specifically using the word "phone", not "tablet" or "laptop".If you ask me, phones, tablets, and laptops have no place on the gaming table. >inb4 you call me a boomerI'm 24, I just don't want devices in use while I play wargames or rpgs
>>98294530>referencing a pdf in a 6inch screenyou can have it on 10" screen, if you're willing to pay extra
>>98294609I don't see the difference between using a laptop or tablet and a physical book. Open the PDF and only the PDF, turn on Do Not Disturb, and play some Warhams. If you're an oversocialized ritalin-addled monkey who can't handle having a device turned on in your presence without opening 12 tabs of shit and getting distracted, that's on you mane.
>>98294609I use the phone for army building on the fly, that's kinda it.
>>98294609You are a weak creature with no spine if you can't keep a simple device under your control.
>>98294666>those digits>that pic
>>98294609If you behave like a boomer but are 24 yo then it evens out to you just being retarded.
>>98294530Go to an eye doctor
>>98294663>pdfAll the rules are hyperlinked in builders anon. 99% of the rules in the game are 1 to 3 links away from the list. PDFs are irrelevant.
>>98294663>oversocialized ritalin-addled monkeyYou've accurately described a lot of the people I used to run rpgs for. I'll set aside the fact that you thought I was such a person. Thankfully, the people I play wargames with are usually older than I am and aren't glued to their phones.Unfortunately, anon, the only behaviour I can control is my own. As I'm sure I've posted in this thread several times before when other anons made statements about how other people ought to be: What would you have me do other than what I am already doing?No phones, no tablets, no computers at the table. Bring out your models, your dice, and your books, and let's get down to it.
