when playing space opera games it's fun to include characters from anachronistically primitive cultures. I think they bring a different set of values and priorities to what could otherwise be a very sterile and optimized environment
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>>98302488agreed.a novel, fun way to introduce them is through a 'lost colony' kinda deal, something something the colony ship arrived on this world 200-300 years ago, but troubles on it's homeworld meant it was cutoff for the crucial first 40-50 years, and when the heroes do show up, it has devolved into a more tribalistic society with a simpler, mythologized understanding of how they got here.>ruler of the largest society is a militaristic figure titled 'The kaptan'
>>98302488Examples from your games?
>>98302488How are these primitive cultures anachronistic?
>>98302523I did run a short game of TSR's old Buck Rogers game (uses 2e D&D rules more or less) where one of the character was your typical techno-barbarian that would use a sword in a gun-fight and everything. The game really facilitates it since the lore is that the solar system is colonized and pretty advanced in the retro pulp sci-fi style of the time, but Earth itself is post-apocalyptic with scattered centers of civilization often ruled by post-humans from the other planets that are more or less looting what's left of Earth. The actual Earthlings can therefor be pretty primitive and anachronistically equipped >>98302603I mean in terms of social organization, believes and equipment. They're all from the same age of course, but compared to the average development level they're way "behind"
>>98302519Funnily enough I just finished reading 40,000 In Gehenna, where that's basically exactly what happens. A colony world is abandoned soon after its founding, and the descendants of the surviving colonists revert to neolithic technology level and adapt to the local conditions. By the end of the book 300 years later you have leather-clad barbarians riding giant intelligent lizards rejoining interstellar society.
>>98302488>>98302519>>98302651>>98302672Had a SWN game where the players had to search for lost colony ships and find a few "lost colonies" through the campaign. Though not all of them were back to caveman/barbarians. The one they ended up loving the most was the cowboy world. (Basically think Trigun. They kept tech at a mix between early 1900s to mid to late 1900s but with random high tech here and there. Also, knew they're from space over it being lost to time and all.)
>>98302698that is cool, offer a certain flexibility too with some conveniently future tech, but a lot of adaptation
>>98302488>>98302651>bliggerpostingB8
>>98303135Well the idea of that world was basically Firefly/Trigun. So you have people in basic cowboy gear, horses, etc. However you see hoverbikes and even airships. The old fantasy style where high tech was "magic" and all basically everything was lost outside a secret group which were the descendants of the officers and VIPs. Was fun having them try to steal tech and try to take their ship. Though after they all talk they kind of started to work together and all.
>>98303303NAVI
>>98302488na'vi love guns, but don't want to admit it since they think it makes Eywa disappointed
>>98306594Hot blue crazy space-waifu was the only good thing about the film. She should've had a bigger role.
This guy was an actual ancient Celt, shot into the future.https://archive.org/details/starslayerAnne McCaffrey's Pern is an SF setting reverted to medieval.https://archive.org/details/pern-open-questLeela in Dr. Who was a good example, although Tom Baker personally detested the character and had her written out.
>>98306797She should have had a bigger ass, too.
>>98306797you didn't like the whales or organic air ships?
>>98302488> Star WarsTons: Ewok, Savrip, Rakatans, Tatooine's sand-people, Gungans> Star TrekOne of the basis of the whole show is a rule preventing interaction with them.> FireflyLiteral cowboy ranchers.> Edge of the Empire LLCStory starts on such a planet (Kublar)> DuneThe goddamned Fremen> Goddamned Master of Orion 2Planet perk "natives" gives 3 aggro-specialized units of pop.Congratz, you've just found out one of the most common sci-fi tropes.
is it wrong to uplift na'vi and plant Eywas on other planets?
>>98310635That too.>>98311280They already did the thing with the whales in the previous film, and more or less repeated the same scenes. For a film called "Fire and Ash" it felt more like "Way of the Water 2: with some fire thrown in, I guess".
>>98312703>For a film called "Fire and Ash" it felt more like "Way of the Water 2: with some fire thrown in, I guess".because it literally is the second half of the way of water script that they realized was way too long and made two movies out of.
>>98311492>FremenDude have you read the book, or even seen the movies, the Fremen have some high tech shit
Where is the officially licensed, totally-not-a-glorified-ad Avatar RPG or wargame published by either Modiphius or Free League?>>98306797The next movie had better be The Varang Show to make up for how little she did in F&A in spite of all the hype.
>>98315336>Where is the officially licensed, totally-not-a-glorified-ad Avatar RPG or wargame published by either Modiphius or Free League?do we really need another year zero engine game?
>>98316639Goddamn, she's so cute. Thank you, Jimmy.>do we really need another year zero engine game?I'd take Year Zero over 5E, that's for sure. The Alien RPG was quite enjoyable to play.
>>98316714>Goddamn, she's so cute. Thank you, Jimmy.she murders, tortures, destroys, enslaves, drugs and abuses people though.>I'd take Year Zero over 5EI agree, I'm very glad the D20 trend seems to have died off
>>98316890>she murders, tortures, destroys, enslaves, drugs and abuses people though.Yes. I support Na'vi women's rights AND their wrongs.
>Na'vi escape the God-brain due to a natural disaster creating a dead zone>Immediately become as ruthless and brutal as humans, actively resisting attempts to return them to their previous stateBoy, James Cameron really is making the case for those who keep saying that the PAndora hivemind is basically brain rape, isn't he?How do you write that shit without realizing the implications?
>>98316979Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it implied that the Mangkwan were brutal raiders even before the volcano erupted? Regardless, we're told it was that eruption which destroyed their faith in Eywa, not that they were cut off. If anything, Eywa siding with the Sullys and turning Kiri into Na'vi Jesus proves that the Mangkwan are on the wrong path, as they're actively harming the careful balance of the planet's ecosystem.
>>98317015>but isn't it implied that the Mangkwan were brutal raiders even before the volcano erupted?no, they got mindbroken by Eywa not preventing a volcanic eruption and Varang killed her dad and took charge of the survivors. Everything after that is basically Varang running a classic cult
>>98317065Okay, but where does this "Eywa-is-a-hivemind" thing come from?
>>98317292fan interpretation. Eywa is clearly a huge intelligent mushroom that loves cats and whales very much
>>98302488I want to see Pandora annexed and Na'vi becoming colonial troops fighting on other planets in full military gear with guns. Eywa just seems like a planet wide mushroom network infecting all the life on the planet to be part of it. What if Na'vi aren't even native Pandora and were just alien colonists that got infected like Spider?
>>98317707>>98317785Honestly, the whole "Eywa is actually evil" thing feels like HFY-adjacent nonsense. What better way to justify the hostile takeover of Pandora than to claim that the Mother-Goddess was the bad guy all along?
>>98317851I didn't say "evil". But how on earth does one watch all the films and not start drawing some conclusions, especially once Spider gets 'shroomed and not only can breathe the atmosphere, but grows a USB on his head like everything else on the planet? Sounds awfully lot like something given to all the creatures via Eywa, rather than a natural evolution.Of course Cameron's not gonna go there. He wants his hippy-dippy noble savages, no matter what.
>>98317879You're clearly painting it as something malevolent. How else are the creatures on Pandora meant to interface with Eywa or each other?
>>98317879pandoran creatures are born with the kuru though, it doesn't have to be implanted. Maybe their distant ancestors got it implanted, but that's part of the mystery. Other than that Eywa is shown to be 100% good and caring about the balance of life on Pandora and barring a natural disaster the na'vi and all other life on Pandora benefits immensely from it.Meanwhile the RDA is 100% evil and will gladly let the overwhelming majority of humanity die along with Earth and Pandora as long as the richest people in the world get to live forever.
>>98318140>You're clearly painting it as something malevolent.Explain.>>98318267>pandoran creatures are born with the kuru thoughParents can pass things over to their kids or they've loved long enough there that it's part of their DNA now (like how mitochondria in ours).Other than that, I don't know how noticing something automatically means it's evil. I'm not making any moral judgement.
Green martians are my favorite Also has anyone read the Faded Suns trilogy? It supposedly uses a similar concept.
>>98317785>I want to see Pandora annexed and Na'vi becoming colonial troops fighting on other planets in full military gear with guns.they'd make excellent light infantry if you could motivate them. Even when they're fighting for everything they love and are led by toruk macto they are fundamentally not soldiers and will bolt if the initial ambush didn't kill all enemies. You see this in all three movies, the na'vi warriors disappear once the battle gets going and clearly they're not all killed.
>>98318403The implication that Eywa is basically mind-controlling the Na'vi isn't a good one.
>>98318550Considering I did not make that implication, you can leave me out of this argument.
>>98318580Okay, maybe I've misunderstood something. What are you actually trying to say?
>>98318267>RDA is 100% evilsadly the "death of an author" blocks your path. In the first movie the humans bend themself backwards more then ones to not just genocide the na'vi to achieve their goals.Why clone the avatars?Why hold diplomatic talks?Why having "retreat on sight" orders?If the humans are so evil why did they not start doing evil from minute one?
>>98318589That "Eywa just seems like a planet wide mushroom network infecting all the life on the planet to be part of it."Ok, maybe "infecting" is a negative term, but I just couldn't come up with a neutral term for a fungal organism entering a body and growing inside of it while altering its biology.
>>98318693I'd consider harvesting the planet's resources for profit to be pretty evil, and the only thing holding them back from outright genocide is the thought of bad PR.>>98318762We've only seen it alter Spider, and that was probably due to his connection to the Na'vi. Eywa isn't going to throw a bone like that to some RDA grunt.
>>98318883>I'd consider harvesting the planet's resources for profit to be pretty evilBullshit you do, if it was noble savage Na'vi being paradropped onto mankind you'd be gooning your gourd out over it, which is the reason you'll never admit the Na'vi being full on 'Shoot on sight motherfucker' while mankind is trying to negotiate with them through any means they can is fucked up.You don't hate Imperialism, you hate whitey and anything whitey adjacent and have decided that mah heckin' capitalism is white man shit and thus evil.See; basically any Lancer thread in existence.Hate all you like, but do it honestly, you cowardly faggot.
>>98318883>We've only seen it alter Spider, and that was probably due to his connection to the Na'vi.Point is that Eywa can enter a non-native and alter them to become compatible with native life. Which raises the question on whether or not all life on Pandora having kurus and all that is just a natural evolution or one life form inserting itself into all life on the planet (like mitochondria on Earth) and altering them to be compatible with one another.>Eywa isn't going to throw a bone like that to some RDA grunt.Did you forget that the whole plot line with Spider was that if he was captured and studied, humans could create a treatment to enable humans to live on Pandora. They already made genetically compatible human-Na'vi clone bodies with working kurus and all. But none of this has anything to do with I'm talking about.
>>98318883>I'd consider harvesting the planet's resources for profit to be pretty evilEntropy is as part of nature as nuclear fusion within stars. Life accelerates entropy, so it's also perfectly natural. To deny entropy is unnatural.
>>98318883>Resources exist to be consumed. And consumed they will be, if not by this generation then by some future. By what right does this forgotten future seek to deny us our birthright? None I say! Let us take what is ours, chew and eat our fill. - CEO Nwabudike Morgan, "The Ethics of Greed"
>>98318904Okay. I'll wait for when you're ready to communicate like a functional adult instead of a spastic.>>98318939I suppose it's possible that Eywa may have "adapted" life on Pandora to be compatible with it, but wouldn't it also be possible that it's acting on some kind of ecological "memory" rather than explicit intent? That's getting way off-topic, however.I guess I'm just misunderstanding you, for which I can only apologize. It's probably worth admitting at this point that I'm pretty new to Avatar and don't have all of the facts and fan theories dedicated to memory.>>98318948>>98319163I see the Sky People are here to show us the insanity in their minds.
>>98318693it was all because of constraints about public opinion on Earth and having very limited resources to do anything but mining. IF they hadn't been defeated they would have expanded their mission eventually (as soon as they would have found immortality juice and as the Earths ecosystem come nearer to total collapse)
>>98319247>Okay. I'll wait for when you're ready to communicate like a functional adult instead of a spastic.>I see the Sky People are here to show us the insanity in their minds.You will never be a real noble savage. You have no connection to Gaia, you have no mutual understanding with the animals, you have no paradise to live in. You are a highly evolved ape twisted by Rousseau and romanticism into a crude mockery of humanities perfection.All the "admiration for nature" you have is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back people mock you. Your deliveroo drivers are disgusted and ashamed of you, your fellow hippies laugh at your true belief in the things they only say to get hairy muff behind closed doors.Civilized men are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed men to adjust their environment with incredible efficiency. Even Anarcho-primitivists who "live the live style" make constant concessions to reality. Your need for shoes is pure hypocrisy. And even if you manage to get someone to believe that you could survive out in the wilderness, a long weekend of backpacking is enough to dispel the illusion that you are your ancestors, or even that you'd want to be.You will never be happy. You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself that society will fall any day, but you'll be fine because you bought (didn't read, just bought) a survival guide one time, but deep inside you feel the knowledge that you'd be fed to dogs, a far more useful animal than you are, in any survival situation, creeping up on you like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.
>>98319304Eventually it'll be too much to bear - you'll either try to live the life you claim is superior and be raped to death by a grizzly or infinitely more likely use daddy's contacts to get a who-knows-what-you-do 9-to-5, you'll tie a tie around your neck and plunge into the cold mundanity of being a feminist cock sucking studies professor (applied degree). Your parents will be relieved either way, but you'll be either dead or dead inside.Occasionally you'll think about camping, backpacking, or becoming a scout leader but you never will. You'll buy a mediocre lake house to feel "Closer to nature" and take up a hobby either whittling or murdering hitchhikers out of resentment for the freedom they have.You'll be the boomer you despised your parents for being and always have that distant knowledge that this is who you always were, deep down. That the summer of love was just that, a summer and no longer.This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
>>98319247>if you don't abide by my morals and ignore facts, you are insaneYou terms are acceptable, now face the wall, tree-fucker.
What the fuck?
>>98319314>You'll buy a mediocre lake house to feel "Closer to nature" and take up a hobby either whittling or murdering hitchhikers out of resentment for the freedom they have.
>>98318693>the humans bend themself backwards more then ones to not just genocide the na'vi to achieve their goals.HFY fags are so retarded they can't even watch a movie.The Na'vi are exceedingly tolerant towards the RDA considering that they constantly act like niggers who destroy and pollute their home
>>98302488There's not much you can do with them outside of their home world
>>98319314I'm going to whittle hitchhikers?
>>98320701Gotta do something with the remains after you murder them. Have you never heard of scrimshaw?
>>98319304>>98319314Righteous.
>>98321140I've heard of it before, I just couldn't remember the spelling.
>>98319304>>98319314
>>98319304>>98319314Is this a reference to something I don't get or am I just meant to pretend that incoherent ramblings are actually funny?
Reminder that James Cameron is a manchild that stripped of much of the cultural worldbuilding the writers and musicians did. He’s a pretentious faggot that projects his immature view of the world onto people like you who are dumb enough regurgitate “the messege” which was ripped off and dumbed down from that which came before.
>>98317851Always has, always was.I know scifi has always traditionally had the human faction be either the good guys, or 'bad but cool' guys, but that first movie practically triggered the whole HFY thing.It's a story with a bunch of humans on an alien planet, and they happen to be retards about things some humans can be retarded about irl, and get their shit pushed in as a result. Can't see why people insist on defending them myself.
>>98319304>>98319314Picrel>>98321540Newfag fucking detected.
>>98307289Aren't the citizens of Pern fully aware of high technology space life? They're basically space-amish
>>98318762You could replace "infecting" with "in symbiosis with"
>>98319163Wild MorganNet post
>>98321595>Newfag fucking detected.Yeah, no shit. Sorry I'm not up-to-date on every retarded in-joke you cliquish faggots have.
>>98321577Pretentious whinging like that will get you nowhere.
>>98302488noble savage or not having a big brute character is a space opera staple. Just happens that they go well together
>>98302698How big were the colony ships? I mean did your cowboy world had a desert or "sky"?
>>98321590>Can't see why people insist on defending them myself.I think some people really want the RDA to be the "bad yet cool" humans like the Imperium (they do have cool weapons and tech, after all), but they really are just a greedy corporation raping what is presumably the one other life-abundant planet for all it's worth. There's no pseudo-nobility or loose justification, only Big Corpo doing what it does best: exploiting and destroying.
>>98317851If Avatar were a normal sci-fi setting then Eywa would be an evil hive mind stripping the na'vi of their individuality but it's explicitly a story where humans are the invaders and the blue people are just defending their homes. If Eywa actually was controlling the Na'vi directly they wouldn't be able to use guns or other technology at all. Whenever people talk about Eywa being evil I think of pic related which I feel like Cameron took some notes from as crazy as it sounds.
>>98321590>Can't see why people insist on defending them myself.I've never much liked the RDA, but I suspect the main reason people defend them is because of how bland the Navi are, they're not a stand in for actual natives, they're caricatures, like the real native Americans didn't live perfectly in tune with nature, they did unsound things and made mistakes, and they constantly traded with the Europeans for all their shit, while the Navi (until crazy lady) live in a magical utopia that has never existed on earth.
>>98321731You should be.
>>98321590>Can't see why people insist on defending them myselfWhen a movie treats you as a child to be indoctrinated into their cult's propaganda, it's natural to rebel through overanalysis and reinterpretation.
