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>>98303138>TQ>>>>Chaos (or rather undivided) fatigue>>>>CCP fatigue I think not. Call me when kislev gets redesigned and made into an army. Also that shot just looks like something out of power rangers.
>TQGetting my gf both WoC boxes and paypigging a bunch of the MTOs as soon as they're up in the US.
>>98303138What if it was cooler?
>>98303168That is cool.
>>98303168>makes it significantly gayer and less coolNice job.
>>98303138I'm now hoping they stick to a similar translation of adrian smith artworks for their orcs updates when they get to them
>>98303168
>>98303174Over designed messes? I’d hope not.
>>98303174God I really want that really scrappy more armoured look than is usual for orc models that he does in his artworks
>>98303174>40gay is going full Blanche>Fantasy is going full Smith>AoS is going full SugdenWhich way, White man?
>>98303183>AoS is going full Sugdenwho?
I love having to wash metal and resin models because it lets me feel like I'm doing something productive hobby wise without actually putting in any effort.
>>98303174Me too man. The current Warboss in the Command set comes pretty close.
>>98303183>>AoS is going full Sugdenaos is actually going after kevin chin, or at least that's someone who I believe is being influential for ogres and their coming dwarfs.
>>98303174GW have been sculpting hands and heads smaller recently. I'd check Avatars of War.
>>98303192Do you mean Tze Kun Chin?
>>98303186A delicious ex-GW hairy English rose who paints and sculpts like absolute fucking shit. Very obviously lib shitlennial, very emblematic of nu-GW. Built for hate-sex with big fat grogs.>>98303192Who the fuck is Kevin Chin?
>>98303183>Fantasy is going full SmithI feel bad for the bretfags then
>>98303181The real problem is that orcs won't be allowed to be very armoured as long as black orcs hog the specialty of being "the armoured orcs".With a range overhaul where they stick exclusively to brand new kits they have the occasion to leave somewhat behind any need to cater to other types of greenskins (savage, black, night, forest) and really focus and pour new life into just the normal orcs and the normal goblins, at least for their first few waves, so I'm cautiously optimistic.Push comes to shove, avatars of war seems like will be doing justice to greenskins with plastics kits.
>>98303199Yeah... there's a reason I doubled down on 5e metals while they were still scalp prices and not utter highway robbery
>>98303196Yes, he goes by kevin in the studio, allegedly he was handpicked by blanche and went from doing random illustrations to leading the art direction of some books, then some games, and now he may or may not be part of the concepts team, but I may be wrong on the last part.
>>98303212If he's in any way responsible for the new WoC then he's my chigga
>>98303198Isn't she from Aberdeen?>Who the fuck is Kevin Chin?Korean artist did a lot of the Silver Tower artwork and some late 8th edition WFB stuff.He did the well-known Brettnion art piece
>>98303179Fixed
>>98303190Imagine what we could have had if FW actually got to keep producing WFB models and weren't blindsided by GW nuking Fantasy.
>>98303216One of my favorite pieces. Shame I didn't know his name until now. Bretonnia versus daemons is such a visually good matchup.
>>98303168saar this is very very cooler
>>98303222Yeah the nurgle dude that virtually no one bought into.
>>98303204Just go all in on their bosses. Orcs also may not be heavily armoured but they got bits and bobs of steel, mail and plate. This art shows it nicely.
>>98303232What is this? A pic for snotlings?
>>98303221>>98303183Can you fix this one?
>>98303235It's for Warcry A lot of those card art pieces weren't uploaded to the internet at higher resolutions
>>98303232just doing it on the bosses doesn't fo it for me, if the boys have to be plain, and that's fine, then big uns should have a different bulkier armored kit!
>>98303198>shits on savageorcanon's paintjobs>doesn't know kevin chintourist
>>98303216>>98303226It’s crazy how he’s not a name like Kosinski or Smith or Dainton when he has so many iconic pieces. Like, this is practically THE depiction of Big E.
>>98303212>went from doing random illustrations to leading the art direction of some booksIt had to be long time ago since Chin is responsible for some of the most iconic pieces from the last 15 years like pic related.
>>98303253GW have rather succeeded in making the people who work at GW anonymous Drones rather than creators who are well known.I only know his name due to finding his ArtStation page by accident
>>98303237
>>98303253GW credits their artists far less these days, so it's natural. He's probably modern gw's best artist.Also responsible for most of AoS' good artwork
>>98303254First books I remember him leading were the dwarfs and ogres ones for 8th edition, so yeah, it was a while ago now.
>TQI want the new plastic chaos heroes and dragon but not in a huge hurry for them. >>98303153Undivided is based. I hope there's some extra incentives for them in the upcoming arcane journal like being able to put chaos armor or normal warriors and knights. It just looks garish to have a whole army in blue because they worship Tzeentch.
>go read the latest article on Warhammer Community about the designing of the new Chaos Warriors/Knights/Lords for The Old World>the designers keep using "their" as a singular pronoun for clearly male miniswhy are they doing this ?
>>98303244Always sad when that happens. Art is just rotting somewhere
>>98303278dunno, what did /aosg/ tell you when you asked this question yesterday?
>>98303278They're definitely women too, they just happen to only have helmets here and GW are too gay for (proper) boob armor.
I want this artwork to retvrn as a sculpt for warrior priest
>>98303283I think some were just small at the start anyway, like this Marauders of Slannesh
>>98303269>He's probably modern gw's best artist.I’m partial to Lewis Jones. He has a fun understanding of the post-human cyberpunk nightmare of 40k that’s mostly confined to sketches and GW would never actually let him off the leash to represent the brand anymore.
>>98303288I do think Warrior Priests are likely to get new plastic sooner rather than later. That General companion book has a lot of new artwork of Sigmarite Warrior Priests in it.
>>98303198> Typical tg FAGGOT knows some e thot but doesn't know a talented artistSame and not surprised. Also KYS
>>98303297>>98303288if I were you I wouldn't be hoping for stuff for the empire in the foreseeable future.gw sees human armies like bretonnia, cathay, kislev and the empire as sharing a large chunk of their target customers, so they're incentivised to space them apart, and if cathay is done, then it's time for kislev, and after that bretonnia will take precedent for being way more outdated.
>>98303306>I wouldn't be hoping for stuff for the empire in the foreseeable futureso the next 18 months then?it's assumed the next release after the WoC+ Dragon + AJ is going to be TK vs WE stuff and that will probably be the final release for TOW this year
>>98303276>Undivided is basedMaybe when its actually chaotic and not imperialzied slop like black legion or red corsairs. I could go on a whole rant on GWS take on chaos being so fucking dogshit since as far back as 2008 but I see that gw has effectively appealed to the lowest common denominator.
>>98303312/40kg/ay be gone
>>98303278Their can also be used for plural.
Since when can Orcs get as big as ogres? Fucker is huge!
>>98303328This art looks really bad. But chances are the dudes there are 5'4 breedable twinks.
>>98303328Greenskins just keep growing as they get older/win more scraps. I don't know if there's a theoretical limit to it, but old warbosses are usually yuge.
>>98303323Their is *only* used for plural, unless you're a retarded libshit who knows more about nu-sociology and gender theory than English and grade school grammar.
>>98303328An Orc that keeps winning fights just gets bigger. That's always been a thing.
>>98303328the models never represented it because they had to stand on 25mm bases, but they could that as soon as 40k's ones started doing it
>>98303335The main TOW artist is from Singapore, if I remember correctly
>>98303335Its alright. Could be far worse like this art. Hate that stupid face.
>>98303337That's my point. They are talking about the minis as more than one. Chill man.
>>98303328Warbosses iz da biggest and da best and da smartest cuz dey punch da hardest.
>>98303341Thats something I would really not want to see represented on the table top.
>>98303347Yeah. This piece was obviously done when the D team was handling TOW.
>Browsing the GW site because the 2 MTO orc raiders look kinda nice>Add them to the basket>"Let's confirm that you are human">Check out different factions to see if there's any other online only models i'd like>"Let's confirm that you are human" 2 more timesAll of a sudden i don't want these models anymore
>>98303357Was?
>>98303253Thomas Elliot also did wonderful art pieces for AoS ; sadly he no longer works for GW today
>>98303368Doesn't he still do freelance stuff for them?
>>98303268This is actually better. Why does GW even pay artists nowdays if ai can do this?
>>98303198Lulu is perfect. She's petite, has an endearing autistic girl smile, is polite and friendly, and actually enjoys painting and gaming. >>98303360I used to love computers and the internet but scalpers, smartphones, the Pajeet takeover of Microsoft, blatant surveillance, etc ruined it for me.
>>98303355A larger base for a hero in a unit, or different possible base sizes for a given model, is hardly that complex or unprecedented nowadays.If you don't want the larger base to affect gameplay you can even make it an effective unit filler.
>>98303183I like the card game art of Adrian Smith.Messy, but detailed.
Speaking of art, I love David Gallagher.
>>98303406I like his double spreads and the concept works, but hate his covers, they just feel off and floaty.
>>98303416That's fair. I have become a bit biased as he made this art fpr Shadow of the Horned Rat and most of the iconic 5th ed art I know was him. But to that sentiment, his 8th ed vamp count art looked a bit odd.
>>98303360At least you can actually buy them. The US MTO page is still showing some lame ass 40k marinepigs.
>>98303398Better petite than fat for sure, she's cute. Good ambassador of the hobby.
>>98303353No, warbosses iz da biggest and da best and da smartest cuz dey punch da longest.
>>98303437HARDEST!
>>98303441LONGEST!
>>98303446WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!
>>98303448WAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
Bit split on the two upcoming boxes. Meta wise, which is worse for their armies? Are Chaos Warriors worse than the standard Orc is as a choice of troop in their own armies or vice versa? Will dictate what army U get.
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>>98303448>>98303456
>>98303138Well that was fast. Why the hell do they print so few cards if there is always huge demand for them.
>>98303153I'm getting "fatigue" fatigue. It's new buzzword time, don't you think?
>>98303464Warriors are pretty unremarkable. Knights are fine. I don’t know about Cathay internally.
>>98303467The filthy greenskin WAAAAGHs for himself, not for his foes.
>>98303480I was referring to Chaos Warriors and standard Orcs man, not cathay. But thanks.
>>98303477>fatigue >buzzword >
>>98303434I want to breed her so much, make her my little pregnant whore and show her like a trohpy at my LGS.
>>98303464Orc boys are amazing. I can't speak to warriors though since it's been a long time since I fought against them. It's also important to note how they both fit into their army lists.
>>98303337This is embarrassingly untrue and there are books older than you with singular "their". It's not even a matter of gender politics; it's just how English works. Even if you subscribed to prescriptivism (which any learned linguist would mock you for), you'd still be wrong, as there are older works that feature it.
>>98303486I don't understand this reply.
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>>98303337>>98303498It's also possessive. As in "It's their dogshit opinion"
>>98303488If there were Golden Demons for the spirit of the hobby, you'd deserve one for this post. Very based.>>98303498There are also bits of animal-skin from 1000 years ago spelling England as "Ynglond." What a stupid fucking point.
>>98303503Anon feels called out by the fact the word fatigue has been overused and accused the other anon of being a brown subhuman because he has no real counterpoint but his projections.
>>98303506He looks like he's taking a wicked Wuhan bat soup shit.
>>98303276Undivided should form the core, mono-god should be their auxiliaries. WoC really lends itself to giant narrative campaign style armies.
>>98303548I still find it a bit odd in some way trying to allow Chaos to work small scale militarily while also supposed to be the end game bad guy.Its one reason i like my greenskins. They can work at a very low level conflict and exceptionally high stakes.
>>98303464Chaos warriors are well-statted models utterly bereft of purpose. For 13 points, you get a very potent WS5 S4 T4 Ld8 body, but with only A1 and a 5+ armour save. In a vacuum, they're okay, but they're never really in a vacuum. If we consider the way infantry are actually used in high-level play, that being holding objectives and breaking dragon lords through challenge and static CR shenanigans, they're terrible. Marauders are cheaper at 6ppm and can do both of those tasks better. If (big if!) your chaos warriors do actually get to fight something, what would they even want to fight? They're infantry, so you can forget actually charging anything. Anything that wants to charge a block of chaos warriors is something that will win that combat. Blocks of infantry don't fight other blocks of infantry outside of casual games and even in casual games chaos warriors still aren't any good. Shooting will obliterate them, M4 means your opponent can just play keepaway, flying units never have to touch them... need I go on?I love chaos warriors. I use a lot of them in every game. They're the backbone of any Chaos warband worth its salt and no matter which version of them you collect, they'll look incredibly cool. However, they're not good. They're very bad, even, for much the same reasons elite infantry in general isn't good.Orcs boys, at 5ppm, are a lot like marauders. They get the job done, though I'm pretty sure goblins are better at doing what infantry does in TOW.
>>98303568Orcs
>>98303568What point did you want to make with this image?
>>98303575Dwarfs
Beastmen>>98303576The book has all of the BM boxed that will come out, posting em
>>98303583Bretonnia
>>98303591HelvesThat's it
>>98303598No tomb kings or welves?Fuck, are they doing that box after all?
>>98303601Maybe it's because they are lined up for new scultpts?TK could use new skelly infantry and welves have some old shit too
>>98303554A couple hundred WoC is just a raid, a few thousand is a campaign, and tens of thousands or more is a potential world-ending threat. I don't know what insane and retarded numbers the End Times pulled out of its ass, but a Chaos army fielding classical/medieval battle numbers is serious shit. Anyway, I've always imagined normal games to be a representation of the front lines "where the fighting is thickest" and not representative of the entire battle, which is why we see important characters surrounded by only like a couple hundred doods on the tabletop.
>>98303591>it's shitSigh. That Warhammer Fortress in the background is getting my cock hard though. Gibs me dat for $150 + tax
>>98303554A warband is a warband is a warband, anon. Some are big, some are small, some are led by aspiring champions, some are led by true lords of Chaos.It scales, man!
>>98303591Isn't the Montfort scheme White and Black only?
>>98303614The duke's scheme is. Some random baron of Montfort can do what the fuck he wants.
>>98303603I think the Glade Giard and and Glade Riders are still really solid kits and are definitely hold up better than other core units like State Troops or Helf spearmenWhile I would like to see plastic Wardancers and Warhawks I imagine if they do a Welf refresh it'll be Dryads, Treemen and Treekin. Because Dryads are stuck in AoS, and the others are in metal
>>98303591>Foot knightsoof
>>98303616i think it just weird since GW turned the Brionne Colour Scheme for TOW Black and Red with a white transfer as well, so it just comes across as lazy by the painters
>>98303617Wood Elves and Bretonnia are the only armies that somehow get worse with every new iteration.
>>98303567Didn't exoect that much detail but ta for the post. Unfortunate but you're keeping to them at least so that must mean something. But I can surmise CW don't achieve what they should where Orc boyz do.
>>98303630I just threw up in my mouth
>>98303630grade A contrarianism
>calm down clarence, it's just a faceless person with a bad opinion
>>98303651How do you know he doesn't have a face?I for one want to see an updated version of the spirit pedophile
>>98303637Yeah, pretty much. In all fairness, there chaos warriors do have one purpose: serving as a bunker for a sorcerer. Give the sorcerer a bodyguard of 10-17 warriors, give both the unit and the sorcerer the mark of Tzeentch, and you're in business. Is spending, at minimum, 150 points to give a sorcerer a +1 to cast that vanishes the instant your unit gets shot at worth it? The jury is still out on that one. If marauders could still take marks, you would never see a single chaos warrior on any serious lists.
>sold out in my countrythat's fine, I didn't want it anyways haha...
>>98303578So how do you beat gyros at this level?
>>98303677You don't. You march forward while enduring the constant casualties until you can close in to murder the filthy stunties while the whirlybird pilot watches. Alternatively, throw fireballs at it.
>>98303677Cathay grand canon
>>98303677Rush them with pegasus lord if Brets, shoot them with canon if cathay, shoot them with magic if other people
>>98303591
>>98303677Do keep in mind that the lists in the book are just examples. People will bring whatever they want to these battle march games.
>>98303677You could use some kind of sauce make them go down easier, though they're already pretty greasy.
Just pretent the foot knights are 5x normal knights and probblem solved
>>98303276>It just looks garish to have a whole army in blue because they worship Tzeentch.Chaos... garish? Oh no.
>>98303583I was hoping any beastmen battle march box would come with new plastic centigors and plastic chariot
>>98303723They might do that
>>98303568>>98303575>>98303578>>98303583>>98303591>>98303598Gamechads rank these boxes in terms of:>strength vs other boxes in Battle March>usefulness for general army building
>>98303677Send him in.
>>98303737ah /twg/ art
>>98303138>Are you pre-ordering anything?I have not given GW money directly ever. I wouldn't even give them money indirectly except I like supporting the FLGS.
>>98303276>It just looks garish to have a whole army in blue because they worship Tzeentch.I am extremely tempted to kitbash a Cathay themed Tzeench army. I think it would look sick.
>>98303737>>strength vs other boxes in Battle MarchBretonniaHElvesOrcsDorfsBeasties>>usefulness for general army buildingHElf one is good, the rest are just fucking shit.
>>98303756>HElf one is good, the rest are just fucking shit.Disagree, Beastmen if you're starting out is a good 2x buy imo. It's hardmogged by this if it's available though, but in a vaccuum it's a good start
>>98303756>the rest are just fucking shit.So just Empire then?
>>98303751Are you a pro painter?
>>98303746Place went to shit like 10 years ago
>>98303776No, that’s not my mini. Wish I were that good though.
Got the new starter box for $174 USD, splitting it with a friend too.
>>98303845Is it already in stores?
>The Battle March book is already sold out inthe USthat was quick
>>98303845equivalent of 180 here, haven't found a rube willing to take the cathay side yet though
>>98303756How are dorfs and beasts worse than orcs?!
>foot knights in the bret boxOuch. Imagine that being the first thing you see as a new player.
>>98303896
>>98303896>new miniaturesI would be delighted. some of the best models in the otherwise outdated bretonia range.
>>98303913Bait used to be believable
>>98303138Man, chaos warriors have always had so much aura compared to CSM. The only CSM models that have similar levels of aura are the red corsair raiders, and ONLY when they wear helmets.
>>98303845My lgs was supposed to put it up for preorder 30 minutes ago
>>98303912Ewww, these look like something the Perry brothers would sculpt. Awful.
>>98303253This art always went so fucking hard.
>>98303922than why dont you put more effort in yours?
>>98303253>>98303941This art has something a lot of modern gw art across systems lacks. A background. I hate art that focuses just on characters or the action. I want the backgrounds, I want to see the world.
>>98303198>>98303398You knows funny about this girl, if she was born a man she would have been a 5'6 unlovable incel and would have gone nowhere, just another dysgenic chud dork in the world. But because fate blessed her with two X chromosomes, she is showered with job opportunities, endless attention, the love and lusty gaze of countless Warhammer dorks, etc.
>>98303912I swear these were originally designed for Cities of Sigmar in AoS. But then GW thought for some reason "we NEED new models for the Brets- NOW!", saw these guys were all finished, and told everyone these belong to Bretonnia now.
New chaos warriors look like shit.Overdetailed shit. Most of you who are buying the box will never paint more than 3 minis of it. Facts.Warhammer Fantasy is a RANK AND FILE GAME. Where is the good taste?
>>98303964>>>/r9k/
>>98303913>>98303932Is this what happens when 75IQ pajeets try to troll
>>98303912Some armor autist needs to explaing what makes these bad
>>98303964Based.
>>98303975No troll, I know it’s not a Perry sculpt it’s just reminiscent of the quality of their work. Looks like historical slop without any Warhammer flair.
>>98303972>I swear these were originally designed for Cities of Sigmar in AoS.They were clearly not.
>>98303973Considering they are in full plate I would say they are quite easy to paint if you’re willing to drybrush. Not that you’d know, you’d have to know how to paint to know about drybrushing
>>98303972It's more likely they were done for an 8th edition bretonnian release that never happened and the tow team decided to pick up the files regardless of their actual quality.
>>98303183>full SugdenWhat does this even entail?
>>98303913>outdated
>>98303912>not a single knight is silver armorRevolting color choices.
>>98304008Why him? He regularly criticizes GW and promotes other games and companies.
>>98303972They have exactly zero CoS design cues. Some of you suffer from aos derangement syndrome.
>>98303981Trying too hard
>>98304006Retarded, garish, performative, instantly dated "hip" designs by hipster soilennial standards from fucking 12 years ago, and uber-PC.
>>98304020They look pretty gay and retarded. Both of which are hallmarks of the CoS aesthetic
>>98304025Very clever. But no, these are squarely (heh) on the tow team.
>>98304024No, it doesn't mean that.
>>98303972nah, they look nothing like CoS. They are leftover 7th/8th edition shit, think nu-longbeards and hammerers.
>>98304024>retardedsubjective, show an example>garishALL of Warhammer is garish>performativeperformative of what?> instantly dated "hip" designsagain, example?That's a lot of buzzwords that mean fuck all, anon.
>>98303972100% not. Nothing about them looks like CoS. These were either still around from the End Times as someones first attempt of 3d sculpting or something, and they were rejected back then, or they told someone to sculpt some bretonian knights in 20 hours, because they somehow forgot that they need them for the upcoming release. They actually remind me about some of the uglier Baratheon minis from the Game of Thrones range.
Am i wrong or is the new WoC and Cathay box actually a really good deal? I mean even with the acknowledgement that shits overpriced the Muster list and new rule book alone are $100 before you get into the other stuff.
>>98304045I hope you don't mean Stag Knights, because Stag Knights are pure kino.
>>98304045>robert baratheon famously used a war hammer>lets make a dual wielding hammer unit!flanderization, everyone
>>98304047All the Old World army sets so far have been "good deals", if you measure them against the indvidual msrp. Way better deals than 40k, for sure. This time its completely new sculpts, so you can't even complain that its the 20 year old stuff they keep re-selling for 3 times the price.If you like the game, and at least one of the armies, i'd say its a nobrainer.
>>98304047The rulebook can be replicated for free, and even most people who have a rulebook don’t use theirs for gameplay. I bought a rulebook to have for collecting purposes, but I use builders when I actually play. Personally I think when judging the value of it you have to look at just the minis. Are they good or bad value? Idk I haven’t done the math I am waiting for the chaos solo release
>>98304060I don't think the books give them enough meat to differentiate the various factions.Maybe it was a shit idea to make a wargame about an IP without a strong visual identity.
>>98304054Individually, they look okay. But in a unit, the poses are ass. Still, the Baratheon sculpts are among the worst they did for that game. Only some very early Lannister units looked worse.And >>98304060 .. its not one unit using hammers because thats Roberts favourite weapon. The whole army is nothing but hammer weilding knights.
>>98304075It works for the most part. The armies look very much different, and you will identify them easily, even tho they are not based upon the show designs
>>98303204>The real problem is that orcs won't be allowed to be very armoured as long as black orcs hog the specialty of being "the armoured orcs".Give Black Orcs full, 100% body covering armour.
>>98303973Massive skill issue if a little trim is going to stop you
>>98303456>>98303448
>>98304075All the strong visual identity is in the individual houses, which would translate to only the lords and their household guards/knights. But yes having every baratheon man-at-arms show up with antlers and a hammer is pretty retarded.A horus heresy approach with one core army for all the factions and then some upgrade sprues would've probably been better.But yeah I don't think you could make most of the armies very visually different without delving into some heavy flanderization. Like the marcher lords are supposed to be very good bowmen, and the dornish really like their spears, but that's about it.
>>98303976>gorgets look like picrel>IRL mantles were not giant baby bibs made of BDSM leather, a maille bishop's mantle like many of the 5e metals have would be both easier to design and look much better>frog helmets were jousting helmets not used outside of very niche tourney scenarios and look fucking retarded>boring and unvaried armor design, it's all plate + tabard with no maille, brigandine, etc>retarded giant axes and no other 2H weapons; no morningstars, no longswords, just identical giant fucking axes, I guess this is because of the retarded Brionne focus?>giant heart failure edema bloat legs with feet as wide as their fucking helmet heads>helmet crests, the most important part of a Bretonnian knight model, are aggressively shit>shield motif FUCKING EVERYWHERE making them look like Ren Faire cosplayersThat last point is a particularly annoying 6e-ism that I cannot fucking stand. It's obvious this unit was given to some retard /his/let soilennial who didn't bother opening a reference book and just winged it.
>>98304034>> instantly dated "hip" designsThe haircuts on every Stormcast should be a sufficient indicator
>>98304019>kitbashes and converts extensively>proxies out the wazio>frequently uses metal models>actually plays non-gw gamesHe's like the least consoomer big youtuber out there
>>98304120>It's obvious this unit was given to some retard /his/let soilennial who didn't bother opening a reference book and just winged it.This is just any modern GW fantasy sculpt now.
>>98304151Since gw got rid of their /his/ reference books it's pretty much all up to the knowledge of the individual sculptors. There's obviously still some autists with passion left, as you can see for example most recently in the bronze age chinese gluttony demon motif in the new AoS ogres
>>98304163>make the ogres more Chinese >for AoS, where they don't have their traditional Chinese foil to fightGalaxy brain.
>>98304166Not yet
>>98304166They have Chinese elves to make do with instead. And the Philippines.
>>98304166I think GW knows full well how much AoS-TOW model crossover use there is. A company this Jewish definitely does its research, even if they draw absolutely insane and retarded conclusions from that research.
>>98304120>shield motif Are you talking about the fleur-de-lis
>>98304166ogres were always thematically close to cathay and this is basically a veiled tow release.
>>98304163This is true, and the problem is that the "knowledge" of the current individual sculptors is just League of Legends, Skyrim, Fortnite, and World of Warcraft
I like the Chaos stuff in this box but I'm not paying double price for Cathay shit.
>>98304189No, I'm talking about the fucking shield motif you dumb ape. It's on their axes, it's on their sword guards, it's on their daggers, it's on their pouches, it's on their ribbons and parchments, it's on their horses' caparisons, it's on the fucking trebuchet (not a battlefield weapon at all unless you only ever want to aim in one single straight line btw), it's everywhere. Have you ever even seen a plastic nu-Bretonnia model? They all do this. The classic 5e ones do not.
I think I would like marauders if they just weren’t heroic proportioned. Between the pelts and the weapons if they just did less with it- though I still think the larping helmets are incredibly tasteless.
>>98304204I rike dey Cathay shit.
>>98304219Couldn't you just headswap them with some Victrix Norse heads?
>>98303737I like that the empire kit has some diversity with the flagellents,Beastmen one is actually a great little starter set, love that it has the hounds and bestigors.Beyond that cant really comment.
>>98304192There are no veiled releases anon, GW keeps track of sales for individual systems. You buying ogres to play ogres in Old World tells them that AoS is popular because you're buying AoS figures so they should focus more on AoS.It makes me really apprehensive about using that range for anything as a result.
>>98303870It went up for preorder an hour and a half ago for my LGS, the new book that is separate also went up.
>>98304163To be honest, I still prefer the old bulls and ironguts, especially the ironguts head with the chainmail over the face.
>>98304208What's with the strange angry outburst over my innocent question?
>>98304234Their business model is so retarded. We basically got two refreshes of classic chaos warriors and knights. They make a big deal out of using Custodes in 2 systems and then remodel ogres specifically so they can move the old models to another system.They should just promote both systems where the models are cross compatible. Saleswise AoS is like 20-25% the size of 40k and TOW is 40-50% the size of AoS. Just let people use whatever fantasy models they want.
>>98304234I'm aware of this, but that wasn't the point. Ogres, much like Soulblight, are targeted at the whf crowd. GW counting those as AoS sales is just internal department fuckery that I'm not concerned with. I care about nice sculpts, not what branding is on the box.
Are we okaying this paint scheme?
>>98304267No, we're roasting you in the other thread.
>>98304185>And the Philippines.?
>>98304267it's obviously great
>PEOPLE GENUINELY THINKING THAT THE BATTALION FOR BEASTMEN IS GOOD BEHOLD >>98304255The issue there is that both systems have different design philosophies. Nu-ogors, as nice as they are, are wide as fuck and probably couldn’t fit on 40s at all without some work, and are a lot more free form to work on rounds where design space is available. Nu chaos warriors on the other hand are in this weird state of animation where they’re both just in the middle of an action and are an attempt of a overall composition, although I think warriors are a failure to try and illustrate the design one must go through to have miniatures be effective at utilizing the rank and flank space. Maybe jade warriors or the peasants do it better from recent releases.
>>98304267it's good, but I'd suggest doing the basing with a stark contrast and not dark rock, because then it's look like mush.
>>98304267I like the fiery blade. Good stuff, anon!
BEHOLD
>>98304126Ok, valid. I hate the fucking side cut. I haven't been accosted by it recently though.
>>98304281>Nu-ogors, as nice as they are, are wide as fuck and probably couldn’t fit on 40s at all without some workThey are still 40mm round base minis. It is a hot take but if you plan to use movement trays anyway, round bases are better for r'n'f than square ones since they give you the freedom of adjusting the angle.
>>98304277I doesn't seem obvious to me, I've put like 4 brush strokes and 3 colors on there so it feels like I'm doing something illegal.>>98304283I'm thinking bright red lava with maybe orange/yellow OSL on the feet, do you reckon that'd be contrasting enough?>>98304287Cheers.
>>98304267I like the "scorched" look to the armor. Axe needs an ink wash or sumfink to brighten it up.
>>98304307>I've put like 4 brush strokes and 3 colors on thereYou've clearly done more you faggot.
>>98304297>round bases are better for r'n'f than square onesNo, that's multibasing. You just fell for an influencer psyop.
>>98303975130 IQ German though
>>98304255Custodes are basically going to be two different ranges soon as well.
BEHOL- Okay this box is actually probably shitty compared to the new battlemarch box depending on the msrp price
>>98304317Outside of the blade I really didn't.
OH FUCK... OH FUCK IM... IM GONNA CONSOOOOOOOOOOOM
>>98304267Looks good, may I suggest white/ashy gray white rocks for the base to contract the dark silhouette
>>98304326Never bring up GW prices because they're all just an IQ test at this point.>spend $300 on one box for 1/4 pf my army >or $200 for a printer and resin and files
>>98304321>No, that's multibasingWhat are you talking about?>You just fell for an influencer psyop.No, I fell for /tg/ psyop when I tried to put my spearmen on 20mm square bases - never again.
>>98304198Like I said, depends on the guy. Sometimes you get foot knights or CoS steelhelms, where the design is just based on other fantasy shit, so it's just nonsense because you're playing a game of telephone with the original /his/ inspiration. Sometimes you get shit like the aos ogres where there's pretty clear references to one culture or another. Doesn't mean the end product will be good just be virtue of it being inspired of course, but at least there's *something* there.I also like the aos nurgle flavoured chaos warriors for this reason, the /his/ is clearly showing.
>>98304329You probably should also buy the Classic Mercenary Ogre Captain that model will never be cheaper, so you could just resell it down the line
>>98304350I'm not a scalpfaggot and have no interest in any Ogre older than the Mordheim one. God I love the Mordheim one.
>>98303323>>98303337>>98303351>>98303498>>98303508https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/sybfdsyw/old-world-almanack-warriors-of-chaos-designers-notes/>The sorcerer is, first and foremost, a Warrior of Chaos. They wear the same armour and possess the same intimidating stature, but they wield the Winds of Magic in the service of the Ruinous Powers – which is bound to have a corrupting effect upon their mind and body! As a result, they’re leaner, more twisted, and more hunched. Their cloak might be ragged and their staff might be twisted and warped, but we can see a hint of the power they command in the mighty tome of magic that floats before them, chained to their saddle.'The sorcerer" in the singular refered as "they" and "their">The Chaos Lord is imposing for simpler reasons. They’re a towering giant bedecked in an ornate suit of Chaos Armour, their great helm crowned with huge horns, and they wield a truly massive sword, from which the face of a daemon leers."The Chaos lord" in the singular refered as "they" and "their"
>>98304335>muh proontshut up faggot
>>98304335>spend $200 on resin and printer>cancer tip for freeIt’s is an IQ test but not in the way that you think it is
>>98304340>doesn't know the joys of multibasing I pity you.>/tg/ You mean the GW rules themselves until TOW?
>>98304329>buying the core set directly from GWlel
>>98304360Fuck off with your culture war faggotry.
First print hot off the press
>>98304379Is it edible
>>98304265>Ogres, much like Soulblight, are targeted at the whf crowd.No? Soulblight got their first wave like 3 years before tow even came out
>>98303737>usefulnessEmpire - kind of want 2 boxes of everything here.Beastmen - 2 boxes only gives you a few too many bestigors, but not terrible. If you can mod the wargor to have a banner its great.Orcs - two boar bosses and two bsb hold this back, otherwise thebunits are great.Brets/dwarves - quite a few units you dont want to double down on.High elf - only the chariots make this lowest for usefulness. >effectivenessOrcs are top just based on all their base power, bsb, and a goblin shaman.Beasts have the mulching power to break all the other lists but still suffer the no armor penalty. Relies on the bestigors too much to anchor.High elves cause of base power again, but weak to the high speed and power of the orcs, and the beastmen pulling too much attention with the ungors.Dwarfs but mostly cause they dont fight up into the other units well.Empire and brets kind of even, but too many easy wounds.All told tho, I'd say they're not to badly balanced.
>>98304360Based retard
>>98304316Yeah now that I look at it you're right. Maybe a few touches of red to make it looks like the axe handle is a bit hot? >>98304334It does sound good, I'll try that when I get some cork
>>98304370>doesn't know the joys of multibasing No, I does not know the secret skill of reading posts typed by someone with a stroke, especially when they are missing the point.>You mean the GW rules themselves until TOW?Nope, you could easily play with round bases since forever since no one is removing movement trays nor playing without movement trays in the first place. KoW did it right with their fixed unit footprint and 75% rule.
>>98303737I can't say yet I haven't looked into the rules of BM, I've heard they have some different items exclusive to the format and some costs and rules.But I can answer the second question:Looking at things from perspective of how good are the units and is it a good idea to buy 2x for a good dsicount deal ir is the stuff in it usable and complete not needing aditional filling of the units.Bretonnia has a wasted unti slot because of foot knights being a bad unit outshined by cavalry and Bretonnia's actually cost effective cheap infantry. Everything else in the box is good. I'd say it's the worst because of that wasted slot. High Elves are the best because everything feels complete you can run those units as presented without needing to buy extra, I assume those shadow warriors can be built as sisters of avelorn. Beastmen are 2nd best for the opposite reason, you can buy 2x of a box for a good discount. Maybe you overload a bit on hounds but they are a cheap kit. Usable units, wpuld end up with too much core, but they are different so you could swap them out as needed. But Beastmen core isn't taxing, it's pretty effective for the cost.Dwarf are eh, because you end up with too many gyrocopters if you buy 2x but the infantry needs bigger blocks. Hopefully the kits are dual build since 24 thunderers is meh, at least with dual kit you could make those quarelers as ranger proxies.Empire is ok if the kits have the standard build options for gear. Flagelants are pretty mid.Orcs and Goblins is meh, the Orc boys are outclassed by night goblins and black orcs with BO warboss general for core options, ok if they can be built with warbows, gobbo sham should have been a night gobbo. Wolf riders and Boar boys not as good as squig hoppers, but have their uses, can be solid, boar chariot is decent.
>>98304379How many snotlings can you fit in there?
>>98304379Not bad at all.
>>98304392Sorry anon, you're retarded. It's GW rules for most of Warhammer that infantry had to go on 20mm bases.If you think spearmen were hard to rank up I do not wish you to experience the "fun" of making witch elves or sisters of avelorn rank up on those.
>>98304252I'm not mentally well
>>98304378>>98304389any actual counter-argument
>>98304307>I'm thinking bright red lava with maybe orange/yellow OSL on the feetYou could also contrast it with a vibrant and lush grassland/forest and have an “Isengard burning the Fangorn” vibe to it with the Chorfs burning wherever they go for fuel for their furnaces.
>>98304275Fyreslayer I guess
>>98304405>It's GW rules for most of Warhammer that infantry had to go on 20mm basesYes, but there is no reason to use square bases for that if you have a proper movement tray. This way you can tilt your minis to fit better.
>>98304329Based>t. spent over a thousand on Vostroyan MTO
>>98304414>ut there is no reason to use square bases for that if you have a proper movement tray.Except the rules themselves and opponents too anal to allow for deviation. Maybe it was my cursed existence to have had a "by the book" group.
>>98303621>>98303700>>98303896>>98303912what's wrong ?
>>98304420They look like shit and are wore to assemble.
>>98304420>what's wrong ?what isn't?
>93 loonies for the baggage buggiesim thinking i buy balsa wood and popsicle sticks and make a bigger, better one with a spare horse to pull it
>>98303972>I swear these were originally designed for Cities of Sigmar in AoSYou know, I'm actually not sure which I hate more
>>98304429>app icon heraldrygotta cater to the zoomies
>>98304418>Except the rules themselvesName me 1 (one) way the gameplay is being changed by use of round bases if models stay on their trays for the whole time.>opponents too anal to allow for deviationThis kind of people would not find a single game in my area for the 20 years I'm playing Warhammer. If it wasn't for /tg/ I would have no idea people are so ass-blasted about use of round bases in r'n'f games. It's funny that you posted Hail Caesar minis since my HC Successors army is not only single-based but uses round bases as well.
>>98304329the difference in price between those stuff puzzles me
>>98304429I'm baffled with the Asian gender-fluid grunt in the bottom right corner.
If (You) could design a Battle March box set for your main army (within reason folliwing the point cost of other BM boxes) what would you make?
>>98304438>Name me 1 (one) way the gameplay is being changed by use of round bases if models stay on their trays for the whole timeThe frontage. Units had been balanced in a way because weaker units had a smaller frontage ans could get more attacks in compared to say orcs, cavalry, or saurus. By marching thst frontage, because you need base to base to actually make attacks until TOW, you are gimping yourself severely. This also impacts unit footprint and maneuvering, as a 4x4 block of 20 mils is easier to move about and plug gaps in the line than a 5x5 of 25mils.
>>98304449>within reasonFuck off.
>>98304449All metal trolls, and I would buy all the boxes.
>>98304449All metal minis. I want to be able to huck the box at someone and knock them out.
>>98304420EVERYTHING
>>98304454Anon, take a deep breath, think for a minute and tell me: how the frontage of a unit on X mm round bases can be any different from frontage of the exactly same unit of minis on X mm square bases. I remind you, everyone is using movement trays anyway.
>>98304429>let's put anything BUT a White man in the (very poorly designed facsimile of) White man armourThis setting deserves its current slow and painful death
>>98303578I'm a dwarf player and I hate the dwarf warrior and thunderers kit so much.. they look like total shit. The sad part is that they'll never be replaced with newer miniatures.The good part is that dwarfs are the easiest non-human faction to find alternatives for.
>>98303591Sweet, I've been wanting foot knights since I got the Brettonia army book for 6th edition
>>98304481>how is 20mm not the same as 25mmPlease be spatially aware. And no, not everyone is doing that especially back when 20mm bases were the rule in the book. In fact no one was doing that until like two years ago tops.
>>98303204Isn't their speciality to be 'Bigger, Tougher, More disciplined'?No reason they can't be armoured, but they've long since ceased having access to the forges of Zharr.
>>98304500Big uns historically have been a match for black orcs, just had animosity and less armour. Sadly thry also lost a WS.
>>98304329>$77Kek
>>98304486CoS won't disappear with TLW, they will just be ported over, we'll have the same models
>>98304507How many more posts about the baggage trains are you going to make today manlet? How does it feel seeing how lively this place is with new releases? All your work, your limited time on this earth, wasted.
>>98304507>a shitpost is more charitable than GW>>98304513Sad news.
>>98304497>how is 20mm not the same as 25mmWhy are you talking about different sized bases if at no point I have mentioned using different sizes of bases?>not everyone is doing that especially back when 20mm bases were the rule in the book. In fact no one was doing that until like two years ago tops.I started to play WFB in 2006 and since then I have never seen a unit placed on a table without a movement tray. The very first thing I was advised when I got into our local WFB group was to start with building myself movement trays before I even assemble all the minis so I can "see" the size of my future collection, scale of the game and proxy units whenever I'm not done with building them.
>>98304429>>98304486curiously, this fellow looks more asian than Cathay models in TOW
>>98304456?Within reason meaning don't put 500 minis in a BM box or fill it with rares
>>98304521>Why are you talking about different sized bases if at no point I have mentioned using different sizes of bases?That's literally how this conversation got started. About putting figures on 20mm bases instead of rounds on adapters since until tow most infantry went on 20mils and that no this wasn't some/tg/ psyop this was great actual GW mandate.If you are having problems keeping up with the conversation please take your medication.
>>98304427I made a working balsa wood, torsion powered onager for school once.
>>98304520GW is selling 2 baggage trains not 1
>>98304449>1x1 5e metal "hero/lord/paladin," either the boar one from the "Hunting Party" box or the fleur de lys one>1x5 5e metal KOTR>2x6 5e metal Knights Errant>1x20 5e metal halberdiers>1x12 5e metal archersI would lick the windows clean at my local GW store and then buy 10 boxes while scream-cumming if they did this (THIS JUST IN: they never will)
>>98304534Dude, I started the conversation >>98304297 and my point was that round bases make putting minis in rank easier than their square equivalent of the same size. Are you okay? Do you see a single word about using different size of bases here or even here >>98304340?
>>98304449if a lizard one doesn't have 10 warriors, 10 guards, 12 skinks, 4 cold ones, and a stegadon (with its leftover skink priest on foot) I don't want to hear it
>>98304527Anon, the moment you reach for the numbers any other company would sell you for that money its already unreasonable for GW.
>>98304547he's retarded, stop clogging the thread with this.
>>98304547Literally on the second post you linked you're bitching about 20s.
>>98304513>>98304520isn't the whole reason why they're introducing not-Cathay and not-Nippon in TLW is so that we can have discrete ethnic entities on the map once more ?
>>98304566Pretty sure it's actually just to sell more plastic.
>>98304566we have no information of any sort about TLW
>>98304566do you really think GW will get rid of diversity in CoS despite the change of setting ? CoS will remain multiracial even though there will be not-Asian states/cultures
>>98304449This>>98303583But change the bestigors to 5 centigors with great weapon and throwing axes, with ambush for the muster list. Then if there are points still left add 5 more ungors.
>>98304569among the rumors spread by Boole, there are mentions of remakes of Cathay, Nippon, Bretonnia and Kislev and some sort of gunpowder state aligned with Chaos
>>98304584Considering their Cathay was fucking ogres Boole needs glasses.I think Boole may be several people too, in which case they all need glasses.
>>98304566>>98304572what about not-Bretonnia and not-Kislev ? will they also be multicultural ?
>>98304587>Considering their Cathay was fucking ogreswhat makes you think that ? Boole mentioned some sort of vaguely chinese/mongol themed faction with elements of serpent worshiphow does that fit the new ogors ?
>>98304589>AoSAnon, come on. And by multicultural it's never an actual multicultural society as the basis like the Ottomans or early Han China or Al-Andalus as the basis it's just gonna be France or Germany but they put black women as soldiers.
>>98304587>Considering their Cathay was fucking ogresno, it wasn't
>>98304596and fat people for good measure
>>98304449I reject your puerile question and supplant it with my own: What 500 point battle march list will I (or (You)) be playing with?An aspiring champion with a shield and the Sword of Sorrow and two favours of the gods named Ormos Swordsworn.Nine chaos warriors with shields led by a champion named Tim, a musician named Jim, and a standard bearer named Kim.Four chaos knights with lances led by a champion named Jon, a musician named Von, and a standard bearer named Ron.One chaos chariot crewed by warriors named absolutely nothing because I hate this chariot and its crew because they've never accomplished anything in any battle they've been in since I wasted time painting them.
>>98304600okay but this is actual good.
>>98304594>vaguely Chinese faction with a serpent aka Chinese hunger demonAlso I just realized bulls went from a box of six to five and they're gonna raise the price.
>>98304607>Fuck, I think I agree. Only of they are male.
>>98304609>vaguely Chinese faction with a serpent aka Chinese hunger demonthat may be true but that sounds like a stretch
>>98304615I hope it's a stretch but I've come to expect disappointment from GW.
>>98303578>two gyros in the battle marchwhy would you fucking do this GW
>>98304621>buy the box, nerd-James of the Workshop, maybe
>>98304596> an actual multicultural society as the basis like the Ottomans or early Han China or Al-Andalus when that Disney movie about wishes got released, they tried to justify its multiracial cast by arguing that it supposedly took place in Al-Andalus, yet it seemed very funny to me that it included black people with haircuts like those of modern day african-americans and an asian girleven when they have setting where diversity seems justified, they don't actually go for actual historical diversity but for modern california style diversity
>>98304566The Old World has not yet learned how to be multicultural. And I think we are going to be part of the throes of that transformation, which must take place. The Old World is not going to be the monolithic societies that they once were in the last century. The Cult of Tzeentch are going to be at the centre of that. It's a huge transformation for the Old World to make. They are now going into a multicultural mode, and the Cult of Tzeentch will be resented because of our leading role. But without that leading role and without that transformation, the Old World will not survive.
>>98304587and the other factions he mentioned ?
>>98304636>they don't actually go for actual historical diversity but for modern california style diversityThe American invasion of Mexico and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.
>>98304658I love these lads like you wouldn't believe. They're gonna be my center, with a 3e "fighter" Sergeant at Arms commanding, and two blocks of halberdiers/billmen either side of them. Can't decide if I want a uniform scheme or to base their schemes on the knights they follow.
>>98304255>We basically got two refreshes of classic chaos warriors and knights.I would like to apologise to the anon I called retarded for saying that would happen before TOW launched.I overestimated GW and that makes me the idiot.
>>98304560Yes, and I even said that putting them on 20mm ROUND bases instead would solve the problem.>>98304558Yeah, I think he may be retarded on purpose, that's my last reply.
>>98303621>>98303896do you object to the very concept of foot knights or just its poor execution with these models
>>98304639Purge every ((cultist)) from the Old World.
>>98304697>lose>bitch outClassic.
>>98304702mostly the execution, but I also like the idea of having the noble class all on horseback with the peasants fighting in the mud.
>>98303621>>98303896what about the other bretonnian models released for ToW like the Lord/Paladin ? do they also have a bad rep on this board ?
>>98304329Is that $240USD? In Canada this set costs 174 USD
>>98304712>loseAgain, you can't prove that using round bases of the same size makes any difference AND you can't even show my reply where I state that I want to use bases of different size. Stop being autistic and accept you misunderstood my post, it's THIS simple.
>>98304729Lord on pegasus is a great kit, paladin dude on foot is a nice design but shitty resin. Much better in any case than the foot knights.
>>98304729I hate just about every new plastic release Bretonnia has. I hate lady elise too but thats because shes a side effect of scale creep.
>>98304752lol retard
>>98304740You just added same size when you remembered different sizes are actually different at the last minute when reminded that no, 20mm isn't a psyop that was just the actual rules and you putting your figures on 25mm rounds is at odds with that.You have lost track of many things.Again, this wouldn't be an issue with multibasing: frontage is simple, you can make it like a diorama, and no taking off and setting up for the game.You mentioned successors. I wish you the best of luck setting up your pike blocks as a bunch of individuals every game.
>>98304584That's a strange one, he walked that back and said they were only lore blurbs and not full factions but before he did Whitefang said the five new factions were happening so it's up in the air.
>>98304519>How does it feel seeing how lively this place is with new releasesI love it, fertile hunting grounds
>>98304729I personally don't like them but, unlike the foot knights, can see why people do. The main reason for my dislike for those is the scale, especially the Royal Pegasus and Elisse's Unicorn. I think the Royal Pegasus is bigger than either iteration of the Hippogryph, just totally fucking retarded scale on that thing.
>>98304767>when reminded that no, 20mm isn't a psyop that was just the actual rules and you putting your figures on 25mm rounds is at odds with that.Dude, are you genuinely retarded? I put them on 20 mm squares instead of 20 mm round bases. It is obvious from my post, I literally said that. Is your brain damaged or do you honestly believe 20 mm round bases do not exist? Jesus, we are left with schizos only for real.
>>98304702I hope that when GW actually release new Errant/Realm/Questing/Grail knights on horses for ToW, they will look better thatn the foot realm knights
>>98304812does anyone know the reason why lorewise there may be realm knights on foot but all other knights types may be only mounted ?
>>98304807No, you explicitly bitched about 20s as some /tg/ plot and not what the rules called for and are coping over it.
>>98304807Not that anon, but I base ALL my infantry figures on 20mm round bases so I can rotate them on movement trays and they look better if I decide to use them in a skirmish game
>>98304045>These were either still around from the End Times as someones first attempt of 3d sculptingwhat exactly in their style makes you think they look late 8th ed/ End Times period ?
>>98304566>>98304584They're not actual new factions, just random nations mentioned offhandedly in the lore. Not any different than, say, araby or indeed nippon right now.
>>98304822>lorewiseNo, it's entirely a practical thing. There are classic 5e metal KOTR/QK/GKs on foot, one of each, to use as characters to lead commoner units, and there are OOOOOOOOOOLD 3e KOTR from before the different knight ranks existed. So no, the reasons for it are entirely meta, it's how they existed in 3e and it's how they're easiest to sell now. Knights Errant on foot would just be squires without the bows (worthless), and in-lore don't really have the status or skill to be a character.
>>98304877Oh, and the "other Questing Knight" in the bottom right is a Warhammer Quest character. Gorgeous model. I think he's supposed to be a young Louen Leoncoeur since his helmet crest is 1:1 the same as >>98304788, or maybe a relative.
>>98304877I still somewhat regret not getting that warhammer guy but I had already splurged on the TK MTO at the time.
>>98304877Holy fuck those guys used to be so KINO.. I can just imagine these absolute heroes slaying dragons, saving damsels (and then seducing them), leading their men into the breach, defending their leiges honor!
Are Dwarves just a gunline army? Or can they be played as one at least? With the Thunderers, Quarrelers and Rangers as well as the heavier artillery they feel like a projectile lovers dream.
Sold out in the USA.Old World just keeps beating sales metrics for GW.
>>98304993Nah, they aren’t really a gunline. Bit expensive to do a gunline. If you want to go gunline then go Empire
>>98305019So we’re officially selling a lot better than Saturnine and Skaventide.
>>98305019Considering how quickly the Battle March book sold out i would guess that has more to do with limited stock on the GW webstore in the US than high sales
>>98305038>it sold out fast>that obviously means they didn’t sell many
>>98304993>those helicopter What the fuck were they thinking
>>98305053Very aesthetic and unique designs. Its like the opposite of those dogshit Perry sculpts
>>98305036Technically better than Armageddon since the webstore still has stock. And before anyone chimes in: yes they made more Armageddon boxes than Old World, but an evergreen product selling out when a limited-time product didn't shows that GW once again underestimated demand (and will give us a bigger budget again as a result)
>>98305053>we need to update the copter>we have established a heavy aesthetic for the dwarfs, it can't look lightweight >we have a functional design language of their ships we can use on the copter and their tank (unreleased)
>>98304993They certainly can be, if that's how you want to play them.
>>98305066Armageddon is a fomo box? Oh wow they must have made mountains in that case. It’s still in stock like everywhere last I checked
>>98305053They could have gone all in on the thunder barge, oldhammer flying ship aesthetic for dwarfs. Instead their decided on a gay ass helicopter which doesn't fit in the setting at all.
>>98305051That Battle March book was sold out in 15 minutes of it being available in the US, which implies they just didn't have many in stock
>>98305112Yep, it was supposed to be limited but they got stocks online and everywhere near me. Feels like the 40k version of Dominion
>>98305019Genuinely a bit surprised since I assumed everyone who wants those cathay models already had the opportunity to get them for a good discount for months
>>98305053I don't love them either. But you haven't known frustration if you haven't tried assembling the 7th ed metal one.Although I do wish they went with plastic version of that and with a zeppelin option.
>>98305142Unironically feel like we're gonna get a big burst of new players in the next few months. The set isn't great if you already own Cathay but for two new players it's actually a great value.
>>98305053A lot of 8th ed models were like that and were a foretaste of the early AoS aesthetic
>>98305154i think it will depend on when the Battlr March boxes come out
>>98304976When I first heard about foot knights, I was expecting an entire unit of them. Imagine my disappointment.
>>98305156It was a very mixed bag. The VC monster things that the ancient vampires rode in 8th were FUCKING disgusting and I hated them, Nagash much less so but not my thing. Verminlords were alright. All the FW monsters were absolute pure distilled sovl.
>>98304822Pretty sure Hemritt Knights were always on foot and they are Grail Knights
>>98305184>hermit knightsOne (1) model released for Games Day in France only, with very unimpressive rules involving a "healing potion" bottle of wine.
>>98305177You mean those bone steeds? Yeah they sucked ass and were responsible for the Ossiarch Bonereapers aesthetic
>>98305121the plastic helicopter exists because the metal helicopters existed, and what existed was metal helicopters instead of metal zeppelins because that's impractical to cast and assemble while flying ships are just normal ship kits on a flying stand, can't do those in metal either or compete with actual ship models
>>98305154my friend and I are starting ToW with this box he wants cathay and I wanted chaos and when this box was announced it was a sign.
>>98305121SOVL I love flying ships, flying towers/castles, flying islands, etc. >>98305156I once went to Warhammer World years ago when they had a giant diorama of those stupid AoS steampunk dwarfs fighting a battle. The whole diorama used cotton balls to appears as though the battle was fought in the clouds, with a large floating fortress in the center floating amongst the clouds, and tons of dwarf air ships circling the flying fortress bombarding it from the air. I've always been an AoS hater but this was one of the coolest scenes I have ever seen and it filled me with boyish wonder and imagination. I wish I could find the pictures I had taken of it, but I'm sure they don't do it justice. There were 40k dioramas that were two storeys tall that weren't nearly as impressive
>>98305216Welcome to the game!
>>98305121dwarf helicopters are older than this gay ass artwork
>>98305216I'm genuinely confused why someone would be drawn to Warhammer in 2026. I get nostalgic old grogs, but new players?
Pretty clever releasing a boring faction like WoC now while saving the kino factions for Christmas.
>>98305216Congrats anon.Remember to thin your paints or I will find and rape you because I care.
>>98305192Yeah, and that guy.
>>98304288Old AoS Start Collecting was such good value its not fair bros take me back I didn't know what I had.They were 120 - 140 aud and depending on the box you could be snagging 600 - 700 points. The 'bad' ones like slanesh demons would 'only' snag you 300 points
>>98304326This box and a box of 10 gors on ebay was my gateway into old world beastmen.
>>98305218This one?
>>98305270It just looked cool and we wanted to try something different, it was ToW or the Lord of the Rings game since AoS is a little too high fantasy for us and we chose this when we saw the new launch box had both factions we were considering.
>>98304326especially since Blood herd can't take Ghorgons for some reason.
>>98305285>chose ToW over MESBG You hate to see it
>>98305284Looks kino. Why is AoS so soulful?
>>98305284Unironically those AoS airships are cooler than the helicopters
>>98305288Isn't the new edition of MESBG pretty disliked by its current fanbase?i do think the Journel format suits that game better than TOW or HH though
>>98305279This shit was like $70 when I was in highschool too and I remember thinking it was overpriced
>>98305278Better pic.
>>98305294Someone screencap Perrymanlet likes the steampunk reddit dwarfs lmao. Do you imagine yourself as a Kharadron? You have the height but not the muscle unfortunately
>>98305294The gyrocopters are just so oddly smooth they really don't fit. Even next to the aos steampunk dwarfs their weird smoothness stands out. The only that would really be comparable is the scrapped tank, from peachy's art it looked like it had the same kind of design language.
>>98305301You’re discussing TOW with a hater of Warhammer Fantasy. We have a notorious manlet here that spends his time either spreading negativity in general or spamming off topic pictures and topics. If he sees fresh blood like you he also strikes as he has. Also he’s really really short, we know because he doxed his height accidentally a while back.
Fellas, how would you feel if you were playing in a large multiplayer game, 3 players per side, where one of the players was designated the battlefield high commander - each turn he issues orders to the sub commanders on his side and they have to try their best to act out his orders. For example of he tells them to hold a certain position or reinforce another players attack, etc.
>>98305278>conversion that would require $200 worth of 5 different ebay purchases to make todayVery cool!
>>98305388reminds me of memoir 44 tournaments which are 4 on 4. Those sound cool and fun in the weirdest of ways.
Did Vampire Coast ever get official models or was it all just kitbashed?
>>98305388Sounds incredible. Exact kind of thing Warhammer was made for.
>>98305388Would be fun with a tight group and miserable with randoms because some stinking fat faggot grog would power-trip and make stupid decisions for his teammates while "acting" like an asshole commander
>>98305388Are players restricted to following the orders, or can they act on their own initiative?
>>98305388This is super common in big historical club games. I've read about game where players will have to handwrite the orders and deliver them to their generals, with the enemy able to test to intercept the message so it never arrives
>>98305373Perryfag broke your brain anon. You really think he's out here shilling for kharadron overlords?
>>98305461How do you compensate for not being able to reach the half the table with your stubby manlet arms when playing historicals?
>>98305461>handwrite the orders and deliver them to their generalsThey mean they hand write them, have the character in their army give it to a model and it must then run them to their other generals right? Not just pass them out of game between turns or something. Right?
>>98305432Kitbashed.The army itself was just a blurb in a white dwarf iirc
>>98305486solved since napoleon
>>98305510Vampire coast would be such a cool army for them to expand into after Kislev for TOW
>>98305510>Kitbashed.Damn, so no oldhammer STLs, 3rd party only.>The army itself was just a blurb in a white dwarf iircThe list is short but functional, and for the edition I'm playing with my friends. And since I know it's the one army no one here has it's tempting to print and play.
>>98305535Just outted yourself as a Total War kiddie
>>98305432there were a pair of pirate minis
>>98305583The Sartosan Vampire is mint
>>98304234On the seven occasions I've bought AoS models, I sent the GW contact email a message stating what actual purpose I had for them and that they were not purchases for AoS. They at least bothered to send back the boilerplate "we'll pass your feedback to the appropriate team" response, although of course it's highly likely that's a euphemism for "we printed your email out just so we could put it in an actual physical bin you fucking weirdo".
>>98305432There were no unique models for Vampire Coast, but GW sold a bag with a mix of FCM and Zombies sprues to make Zombies-Pirates.
>>98305535Pygmies are next
>>98305624The appearance of africans is abhorrent to a lot of westerners to the point of denying their very appearance so I doubt that.
>>98303548Thought so stupid I remembered it after my full shift
>>98304427Victrix and Dead man's hand has nice wagons.
>>98305639Niggers in fantasy are okay as long as they are regulated to a satirical race like the pygmy. The problem, and where it becomes offensive to my sensibilities, is when they start to shoehorn nigs into traditionally white European armies
anybody have links/leaks to the square based member only battle reports?
I wanted a baggage train for my Dark Elves and remembered I had my old shrine of khaine sitting in my bits box. I rebased and repainted it so it matches my current army scheme. The original witch elves have been lost to time so I pulled some metal ones from my bits box.
>>98305768Well yes that's the reasonable take but the reaction of most people is to shout "racist caricature" when an african exhibit african features.
>>98305790Needs some of these
>>98305796>Naked UkrainianKek
>>98305796Problem is if I owned that model it would be constantly covered in hot glue
>>98305796I hate coomers
>>98305816That model is just the right size for your puny loads
>>98305808Brother Vinni spent 9 months in Ukraine and has been making weirder and weirder shit since he got back
>>98305795you're missing the point
>>98305432there was an official kit wich was zombie sprues and militia sprues in a plastic bag, and at least one vampire character in metal
NEW THREAD, this one is getting a little weird! >>98305940>>98305940>>98305940>>98305940
>>98305916I'm not. Blacks are inserted into european culture and without their stereotypical phenotype because depicting them as themselves in their own culture is repulsive to many people (They'll qualify it as racist to soothe themselves into believing they're on the right side).That's why the pygmies were qualified as being satirical when in reality they're just normal.
>TQnah, there's nothing in any any of the armies I play up for pre-order.I might pick up this guy when he releases solo as a painting project
>>98306246>releases solothats the chaos lord thats apart of the new dragon kit
>>98306356Damn, guess I won't be doing that then.
>>98306397You could probably just buy the dragon, grab this guy and attempt to resell the rest
>>98304360Based retard. Singular they and their is perfectly correct english.They are also not talking about any specific singular chaos lord or sorcerer, but rather a generic model meant to represent a broad category.
>>98304427>Pine Hardwood
