>The Eldar hegemony lasted for 65 million years, during which basically no culture changed except at the very end, when the Craftworlders and Exodites fucked off>In the 10K years since the Horus Heresy, every space marine chapter or Chaos space marine legion involved has remained exactly the same culturally>The Imperial cult to the Emperor has also basically not changed since its creation???
You've stumbled upon the closely-guarded secret that 40k's writing is not that well thought out and primarily exists to help sell toys
>>98304365How did it affect your ladt match of 40k? Care to post your fully painted miniatures?
Most cultures don't really change that much. Tribal peoples with minimal contact with outsiders like the Kung Bushmen and the Sentinel Islanders are basically the same as they were since humans first evolved. China and other East Asian cultures didn't change much except for some minor cosmetic things for thousands of years until forced to by Western interference from the 1800s onward. For better or worse, the white European idea of "progress" is actually a huge aberration for humanity as a whole.
>>98304365Eldar culture survived 65 million years by staying true to their gods and upholding the old ways. It was the literal moment that they got bored and started exploring new cultural norms like pain cults that the Empire fell, like clockwork. Imperial culture is degenerate with its reliance on faith rather than civic ethos to drive its society, but so long as that faith stands, the Imperium stands. The Emperor might be eternally seething about it, but the proto-Inquisition knew exactly what it was doing when it started seeding the galaxy with Lorgar's book. Edited heavily, of course. Space marine chapters and legions have no interest in change. They are already supreme lords of warfare, their craft is perfected in each and every way, the galaxy trembles at their coming and Chaos and xenos cannot win so long as a single Astartes draws breath.
>>98304365in all fairness we can't really say the culture shift the eldar had over that time since anything before the rise of the Emperor is intentionally left mysterious by GW (for now), that and stuff between the Horus Heresy and the current setting has not been expanded upon to much (for now) but even then we do know of some general shifts, the entire age of apastosy was pretty much the imperial church going through a very radical change
>>98304365You are comparing beings who can easily live for 10,000 years with beings who are lucky if they make it to 1,000.Besides, the Eldar were already at the peak of technology from the very beginning; there is no need to innovate.10,000 years is like one or two generations for the Eldar; for an Astartes, it is like 20 or 30 generations.
>>98304365There’s no reason to believe anything considered as history in 40k is factual or even accurate to any degree. In fact, reading the lore through the lens of imperial propaganda makes everything more compelling
>>98307191>reading the lore through the lens of imperial propaganda makes everything more compellingDirty Eldar hands wrote this.
The present-day Eldar are Branch Davidians/Jonestown cultists that happened to be right.
>>98307191I'm just waiting for Abaddon and Guilliman to fall into a massive warp rift along with their crusade forces back to the War in Heaven, and turned out to be the ones that defeated the C'tan, the Necrons, and the Old Ones and the Eldar all along. Even though we've been told over and over that the wars of the Great Crusade and Horus Heresy were like ants compared to the War in Heaven. I'm sure GW can bullshit a reason why Guilliman and Abaddon were actually the most important players in that war all along, and that the Necrons and Eldar both wiped their memories of their intervention because they were so embarrassed, or something.Arks of Omen was hinting at something like this happening.
>>98304365If they hadn't written the Horus Heresy series the last two bullet points wouldn't be a problem.
>>98307622oh my fucking god shut up about the novels you retarded zoomer scum, the space marine chapters being the same since the Second Founding and the Imperial Cult being the same since its inception in M32 are all from oldest fucking White Dwarf articles talking about it and the Sisters of Battle. The entire fucking point of the Imperium is that nothing changes except heresy. You are so fucking retarded holy shit
>>98304365things cant change a lot because if they do the plastic miniature get outdated and that make the player's wallet mad.
>>98304365The Forces of Order dont change. Change is an aspect of Chaos.The Imperium enforces this stagnation through dogma & the Inquisition. Eldar through their own culture, aspect meditation & long lives. This is a feature, not a bug
>>98304675>You are comparing beings who can easily live for 10,000 years with beings who are lucky if they make it to 1,000.Marines rarely survive past 200 (and that's already discounting all the scouts/initiates who don't survive into full Marine status), so on average, they have a lower lifespan than high-ranking Imperial Guard personnel, or any actual humans in positions of (relative) power. Dante is a massive anomaly.
>>98304413No, he's stumbled upon the closely guarded secret that eldar are functionally worthless to the setting at large and shouldn't exist as a faction as they currently do. The dark eldar have more reason to exist and they're fucking retarded.GW took everything that was remotely interesting or compelling about the Asur, everything that gave them interesting and novel interactions with every other faction, then removed it all to triple down on the arrogance facet while having even less to justify it
>>98304484>China and other East Asian cultures didn't change much except for some minor cosmetic things for thousands of years until forced to by Western interference from the 1800s onwardThis is a huge misconception born of ignorance. There was all sorts of progress in the thousands of years that China has been a coherent civilisation, both technological and social. The same is true for various regions in the Middle East and Africa. Fuck, the Aztec Empire was barely a century old when the Spanish showed up, because it was a very recent social development in Mesoamerica.Just because you don't know history doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
>>98304365Writers having no sense of scale isn't strictly a 40k thing
>>98304365None of the loyalist 1st Founding chapters are very close to what their 30k counterparts were like before the Heresy, and most aren't close to what they were like during the 2nd Founding.The Salamanders and Iron Hands were almost completely wiped out, the Imperial Fists were literally wiped out during the Beast saga.Ultramarines went from haughty space roman nobles to book worshipping nerds
>>98316104Orkz don't change.Orkz = Order?
>>98319783>There was all sorts of progress in the thousands of years that China has been a coherent civilisation, both technological and social.Not really, the life of a Chinaman in 1800 AD was pretty much exactly the same as that of a Chinaman in 800 BC. Only difference was being rules by an oppressive emperor who was a Manchu instead of Han.
