Previous: >>98296243Hammer Edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.png (embed)https://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png (embed)>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What's your favorite worthy creature?
>>98304865I shoot my crit rocket at you
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98304865speaking of mjölnir, is it really worthy to run? why is it over 10€?
Squall should cost 3 or have haste
>>98304865Nu-Amon Amarth are certainly different to their first decade but I think they're still greathttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUW7dfoN5pE
I need to get a real version of this guy, I just have a proxy with boobs on it
>>98304891been meaning to build her. is it fun? like full on one shot as quickly as possible main priority
>>98305041I've been eying it quite a bit, since I have a R/W equipment deck that's chock full of legendary creatures.It's a very good card, with a lot of innate versatility thanks to them just stapling so many effects on it. It's stronger than a lot of old staples my deck used to run, like Flametongue Kavu or Volcanic Fallout, and it doubling all damage makes a lot of legendary commanders (particularly Red ones) considerably more dangerous.But, I'm probably not going to run it because it's just not as fun as the equipment I'm currently running. It's probably 5 times as strong as the Genji Glove, but the Genji Glove is hilarious to me.
>>98304865>any legendary creature that's red or white not from marvelAs yes, my favorite worthy man.
>>98304865
>>98305120She's generically so there are too many ways to build her to give any sort of answer. Probably not fun though, no, cause she's generically good.
>>98304865>I am worthy
>>98304865>half of mtg's alsolute worst villains are worthy
>>98305105Post it. Sounds like a better version.
>>98305120She's really, really funny with pic related and does a great job teaching newer players to have some form of "Oh fuck" emergency interaction and to keep some mana up when turns start getting up there. Getting the random happy birthday combo to knock out two players at once is glorious
>>98305165Anon, legit, what the fuck are you trying to say with that? Did you have a stroke?
>>98305202He just said she's generically good, so what? Lots of Boros commanders are boring like that. Did YOU have a stroke?
>>98305120Don't forget your Eldrazi Displacer
>>98305185
>>98305208>she's generically good and you have options therefore she's bad You tell me
>>98305213I will now serve my country
I want to make a factory themed deck, that has The Great Machine (Blasting/Grinding/Salvaging/Summoning Stations) as well as the Not So Great Machine (Animation/Decoction/Fabrication Module). I just really like the idea of a barren lifeless factory, pumping away. Who would be a good commander?
>>98305251Tell you what? How to not have shit opinions? I can't help you with that.
>>98305213I am disappointed because I thought this was going to be the ugly ass Rob Leifeld art.
>>98305182If it had explicitly excluded black this wouldn't be as big of a thing.
>>98305202*generically goodI'm saying she's not fun because a card being generically good is boring.
>>98305317Black is not inherently evil like red though.
>>98305213>animeDisappointed, not surprised. Still better, though.
>>98305188that's not how commander damage works
>>98305144>5 times as strong as the Genji Glovethere's no way
>>98305323>Black is not inherently evil like white though.ftfyRemember: Ikoria had a mono white character whose thing was to lead the weak to get eaten by some monster.
>>98305339Literally every decent deckbuilder I see classifies Genji glove as a meme tier "funny as fuck" card and not a legitimate card you'd use to win.
>>98305346well yeah but mjölnir doesn't really win just like that either? doesn't even give evasion just like genji so they need heavy build around. some repeat pinger for hammer maybe but idk, 5 times? the removal is nice tho
>>98305332Doesn't need to be commander damage
>>98305188I prefer slightly more elegant ways to just murder a motherfucker.
>>98305188I'd play this if it cost 3
>>98305356Yeah five times seems like a huge stretch. But I could see it being better than Genji. Especially when you are in red and have far better extra combat options and can add double strike or double power at instant speed.
>>98305395Is that the Irencrag in the back?
>>98305290shirokai isn't even a creatureemry, imskir, arcum dagsson, muzzio, sydri, imotekh
>>98305404I would play most cards that cost 6 or more mana if they cost 3 mana instead.
Who wins: WORTHY Eggman with the hammer or Sonic with the emeralds?
>>98305290Any of the Urzas seem like obvious choices but if you want something with less infamy then Kilo here might be a good option with a lot of synergy with counters and tap effects you're bound to include.
>>98305339>>98305408Mjolnir is almost always useful right from the start. Just drop it and kill something, and leave an artifact that only takes 1 mana to make a good amount of creatures into game-ending threats. That's essentially guaranteed value, and when equipped there's a lot of non-combat damage that is much easier to deal than combat damage. It can very rapidly turn a weak position into a strong one.And that's ignoring that it comes with the option of being a Can't-counterspell-me weenie roaster.The Genji Glove, on the other hand, drops and does nothing, and when equipped still needs a pretty advantageous setup in order for the engine to start turning. The critical flaw of most Extra-Combat-Phase cards is that they're win-more cards, where the battlefield already has to be largely in your favor to get any advantage from them.Design-wise though, Mjolnir is kind of a mess, while Genji is much more elegant. It can also do fun things with various triggers, since it essentially quadruples any combat damage triggers and even doubles any attacking ones. Combined with any of the swords, and it can turn a winning position into a winning position with extra cheese.
>>98305313Lmao I was thinking the exact same thing anon
how do we make this pair work on a budget without being a combofag
>>98305434Apparently, Knights of Embereth do a sort of inverted Excalibur thing, where instead of pulling swords from a stone, they thust swords into a volcanic stone (and the worthy can pull their swords out again). Embercleave is one of those swords.
>>98305395I love that weapon almost as much as I love my Sunforger, and I love my Sunforger so much it's unreal
>spent a bit of time cutting cards i listed on a doc for my potential deck>take a break and do a count>mfw 110 before lands and it's a high cost deckNever try to mix Angels, Enchantments and Miracles into the same deck, you're gonna look as retarded as me
>>98305727sounds like aminatou
>>98305699Sunforger is too high IQ for me.I've been running that card in my favorite deck for over twenty years. I have plenty of instants that it can grab, but whenever I plop it down and equip it to a creature, I almost never use its ability and instead just enjoy its +4/+0, usually on a double-striker.I even had a friend who built a whole deck based around Sunforger, with tricks like using Mistveil Plains to recast instants and even some Red/Blue counterspells to try to establish various locks, and I got to see it do all sorts of incredible things, but all I ever end up using it for is smashing people's faces.
>>98305727how i feel trying to mix banding and lure into the same deck.
>>98305120She is amazing. Don't even need to attack with her to win, because she WILL get removed ASAP.
>>98305666>unblockaboe crewture that gets bigger every time it attacks and deals damage when it dies.Gee, I have no clue.
>>98305746Actually, Morophon (or Maelstrom Archangel if my Pod is OK with a non legendary leading my team). I'm going for a theme of the 4 sisters of Innstrand and Avacyn coming to help humanity one more time, with most of my spells being angelic in nature or miracles. Just hard figuring out what I can do while still getting enough ramp and bare necessities to squeak into a bracket 3
>>98305893>crewtureI read the rest of this as if it was spoken by a small innocent kitten
>>98305762All you need is to win, anon, and that +4 can work pretty as you please in a pinch. I know i really love using it with chaos warp to add a bit of spice and funny to the table
>>98305666Stickers
>>98305908Based
>>98305797so you play her much more value oriented with artifacts and equipment? what is the point of armageddon and ruination? maybe I'm missing something but it seems like it'll blow your shit up too, which seems quite hard to recover from in a 7 cmc commander deck
>>98305118>Gay dragonsRedundant.
>>98305964Me every time I deal with a stax player
>>98305964Lmao
>>98305908that doesn't look budget
Today I got the most hilarious reaction just with this card and a 50/50 Cloud, Ex Soldier and one guy got so mad he started mocking my actions, I'm still laughing.
>>98306035And yes I won the game vs other 4 players
>>98306026You can cut the staple slop and build a less sweaty version on a $50 budget easily.
>>98305942She is just another damage doubler, which there is a lot of in the deck. Goal is to have a small creature with vigilance equipped with the sword of whaver you need protection from to attack for big. That way you can cast Gisela and still do big damage without having to swing with her. If you do that's just gravy. Ruination and Armageddon I can swamp in or out if I want to play it bracket 4. If you're out ahead with Gisela and blow up everyones lands, they probably aren't going to come back from that. Typical aggro/voltron strategy.
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>>98306041I mean that's usually the best buff you can give a creature with a single equipment.Best-in-slot equipment in a lot of voltron decks that happens to let you easily kill oppponents with utility creatures too.
>>98306056I wasn't even aware that this card was so insane, like I knew it existed but never really cared for it as I never hard it until recently that I got it from a FF Collector Booster Pack. The reactions were priceless as my 4/4 Cloud turned into a destruction machine as soon as it came into play and that was something I had never seen before (both looks of contempt and amazement). Now all I need is something to counter whatever card can kill it from the battlefield. My Buster Sword wasn't even in play.
>>98306109as I never had it myself*
am i a retarded faggot or is gut shot not that good? im being told that it's a wincon in Storm, Force of Nature, and i really cannot envision making a storm count high enough to make that kill anyone. i like it in the list because it's a free spell for storm count, but for a win..? I have never played a storm deck before, but should I be expecting storm count fucking 40?
>>98306112>but should I be expecting storm count fucking 40?if you build the deck right and get all your pieces then yes
>>98306112give storm double strike and now you only need storm count 20. second combat and now you only need storm count 5.
>>98306121huh, I have a hard time visualizing it from my list, but I guess i can see it. The whole list is revolving around going mana positive or even with spells and drawing as much as possible, so I should just trust the process more. I'm normally a timmy, so im branching out
>>98306112In a pod of four, Boltwave does 9 times the damage for just one more mana.Using Gutshart as a wincon is a win-more play, as you'd just as easily win copying a few haymakers such as extra turns. IMO, burn isn't the most interesting way to win either so if you're good on tempo and need more gas, I'd consider cutting Gutshot.
>>98306130I guess I never fully added that together. I have plenty of both in the deck, but I couldn't visualize it from the ether.>>98306134I wanted to take big turns with Time Spiral cause I really like the Urza's cycle of untapping lands, and playing around with lotus vale to get much more mana positive when I dramatic reversal. Boltwave is in the list, but I had cut a lot of burn like crackle with power because I wanna do fun stuff like 20 times
>tq
>>98306185booba :)
>plopped down turn one in your bracket 1 gameHow is this not a game changer?
>>98306252booba :)
>>98306185Doesn't her innate red pro mean Mjolnir cannot target her to equip?
>>98306282That's right, but she's still worthy. lol
>>98306282Through enlightenment, all things are possible.
got back into MTGO in march after a long hiatus (2017). finally gonna go do my first paper commander day. was hoping some cards were going to come but of course sellers are the laziest bums around today so ive got windfall in for Timetwister and Winds of Change in for Wheel of Fortune. Really was wanting to find something to put Talisman of Creativity in for but just couldn't find a spot. Mirrodin's Core or another utility land is going to be an Ancient Tomb eventually as well. Commander is in the bottom left, typically have him out T3 and its game over. Best I ever did was t2 but didn't have any counter spells to protect him. THRAX is VICIOUS and b5 Meta destroyerstarted playing in the OG Zendikar block/Scars of Mirrodin with one of my old roommates and his brother. A couple years later Commander started becoming more popular but I'm almost certain I've never played commander on paper and the only time I've ever played with sleeves is during a pokemon Soul Silver Heart Gold pre-release (gave us Celebi sleeves to use). what a fucking nightmare shuffling this shit is already busted 1 Katana sleeve and 9 dragon shields. Guess Ultra Pro Eclipse is the best out there nowadaysI've got 3 decks, this is my S-CDR bracket 4 deck, then I have bracket 2 mono green deck and a bracket 3 white/black deck. no idea who these randos will be but I imagine there will be some salty seethers
>>98306287Funny to note that the hammer will fall off of Akroma's hands after cleanup because protection also affects cards currently attached to an object.
protection from (you)
I need help. I've posted about this before but basically my friend group has a retarded play format we do. I will explain it again>3v3 game>one player is general, other two are lieutenants >can't attack general or make them lose life until both lieutenants are dead, can only lose life from their own cards >one lieutenant must be taken to 20 before the other one can be killed This is format is retarded. I know its retarded. They won't listen so I'm forced to play it. The question I have is I need a commander that can actually do well in this shit-scape of a playstyle I was assuming group hug or just a really fast deck that can win quick. For group hug it would have to be "target player" stuff preferably and not opponents I am very tired of playing against 3 fucking people at once. Please help me
>>98306311that's called emperor
>>98306311you want some thing red black (rakdos) X spells like exsanguinate and comet storm. Price of Progress might be good too
>>98306345if its proper emperor rules exsanguinate only effects one opponent
>>98306351oh I know nothing about that format just thought it fit what the dude was looking for
>>98306345I was thinking about Rowan but she seems like a massive kick me sign commander.That or just Bumbleflower
>>98306351In our rules that card would effect both lieutenants but not the general
but yeah alright hope my red blue black bracket 4 deck I posted an hour ago makes for some fun times tomorrow. I think I'll take out the GC's of the white black one though and just have 2 b2's since if im not playing full power S-CDR bracket 4 then I like battle cruising. still gotta keep Grim Tutor in it though
>>98304865>TQ: What's your favorite worthy creature?My maniacal queen
>soul stone is now 100 dollarsThe fuck happened there?
>>98306489Commander staple in a fairly underopened set. I'm curious if the mind stone will go up as well. I opened 3 of them.
>>98306489The funkopop money is moving into the limited supply of soulstones opened. I think players also have high expectations for an infinity gaunlet card that uses all the stones (likely a nothingburger imo)
>>98306530That doesn't explain it. The set was a half year old before soul stone went up. That indicates a different reason and not "BECAUSE IT IS THE ONLY GOOD CARD IN THE SET."
I own 10 soul stone proxies
>>98306185>still the only mono-white creature to have Haste naturallyStill the best
>>98306185MY QVEEN though I prefer her original art
>>98306287Not only does he let Akroma pick up the hammer, he lets any legend pick it up too.
This card won me another game today. I still believe it to be the best counter spell in the game. You're about to combo off or win the game with a spell by tapping out, because your deck is popping off early. Some asshole tries to stop you and you cast this. GG.
>>98306694>Pact is better than Force of willNo
>>98305213better than 95% of nu mtg art
>>98306700>doesn't require you to have another card in and>downside of paying next turn doesn't matter when you win if pact reslovesPlease.
>>98306707>requires you to have 5 mana or you lose and there for can never be played early where as force can
>>98305213Why did you trans Steve's gender
Pact is better when you're the fastest deck at the table but obviously worse when you're midrange or control with draw (Rhystic).Obviously the world looks rose through rose-tinted glasses.
>>983067245 mana don’t matter when there won’t be another upkeep because you won! Thats the point. Best card to protect your wincon.
>me when I kill a player by keeping their lands tapped after they cast a pact
*This* is supposed to be the chase mythic of the hobbit?This card is hot dogshit, magda is half the manacost and 100 times better
>>98306854Original Magda is standard legal again?
>>98306885Everyone knows that edh is the only format.
>>98306854>legendary named dragon>4/3KWAB
becoming obsessed with shittily jamming companions into partner decks
>>98306540>The set was a half year old before soul stone went upIt's been steadily going up since SPM stopped being the draft set, this is totally normal price behavior. It's gradually becoming harder to find copies that aren't sleeved up in a deck box.
>>98306971>13 mana to cast all of these from the command zoneWhat's the highest mana value you have managed to stuff in there?>>98306292Cool deck, I need to get one of those future frame Lightning Bolts.
>>98306807https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FS2HWxiBdbkwe need a way of forcing bad cards into your opponent's hand
>>98306252Because>The average commander player is dogshit at the game and thinks a 1 mana 6/6 flying lifelink is bad>Somehow, there are cards even more cancer than a 1 mana 6/6 flying lifelink
>>98306489Man people are paying retarded amounts of money for that card.
>>98307044That happens when you make the best black mana rock of all time
>>98306976The massive spike doesn't occur until April.Feel free to be a retard though
>>98307156It's mid as fuck.
>>98307225is there some other indestructible 2drop mana rock in black that I'm forgetting which also serves as a late game mana sink
>>98307263Unique doesn't mean good. This should be obvious to any player. You really live up to the reputation of EDH players being bad at Magic.
>>98305908It seems like you're missing a companion... give it a try! (Plebs don't know that they have already lost the game at the start, cause 101 > 100)
>>98307279it's not just unique, it's better than a lot of cards that a lot of people do run in a lot of commander decks are you trying to say that if it's not an optimal card for a tournament-winning decklist, then it's not worth paying money for? because if so, uhh kind of based but also if you're the guy saying WHY are people paying SO MUCH for this CARD, then you should understand that that's why.it generically upgrades many different decks and is rare. (also collectorfags are hodling them in case there's a Thanos or infinity gauntlet that cares about having all five of them in the future but it'd be expensive even without that.)
>>98306701Alternate MtG art having grown into its own cottage industry should have been a signal to WotC that they needed to rethink how they were approaching art/theming, but I think it just encouraged them to also get in on the alternate art scene.
>play b3>game lasts 8-12 turns>play b2>game over in 4I just want to play my fun deck for once ffs
>>98307418who tf ended the game on t4 in b2 and how?
>>98307418>I just want to play my fun deck for once ffsmaybe your pod should grow a spine and not allow infinites/you win the game effects before t9 in b2 no matter how "unlikely" it is to happen early
>that font looks wonky>flip it>sballholy AI slop. no human does errors like that
>>98307490
>>98307485Its what I deserve for playing a game for autistic people 'there's no GCs so its not b3'.It seems like every group has to have one retard that pushes things, and if you get rid of one another appears like clockwork because nature abhors a vacuum.
>>98306035Is this the EW PLD relic?
>>98307511push it in turn to where the pod devolves into commanders that can combo off early from the cz without game changers
>>98307490We don't care if a card uses ai here, chud.
>>98307530Ah nah looked it up, HW relic.
>>98304865>TQIf I ever pull out picrel I might stick it in there.
>>98307585concidentally syr gwyn has a throwing weapon of her own
I updated it
>>98306984thanks. yeahI think its the 2025 festival in a box promo. this year the future sight promo is Llanowar elves need that for my TOSKI deck.
>>98307156useless card outside of reanimator decks and when I have this in play (I have 4 total creatures in my deck including my commander)
>>98307625>nintendo more likely to give out mario to wotc than DC giving out batmanlmao
>>98307642There's no opportunity cost for Mario whereas DC has to content with Marvel already being in the game. Although the idea of Mario getting compleated would probably deter Nintendo so who knows.
>>98307647forget being compleated, the westoid faggotry in mtg alone is more than enough to scare away nintendo
>>98306807>>98307002Couldn't you do something like cast summoners pact with the 12th doctor and they just fucking lose next round if they're not playing green?
>>98307625Hulkster might some day. I mean we got Andre the giant as a card
>>98307715That was Andre in a movie. Unless they do a set all around wrestling, I don't see them making a Hulk Hogan card. I mean, unless you think Suburban Commando is some iconic film to make into a secret lair like Princess Bride.
>play grull on b2>lose everytime cuz no one in my friend pod runs interaction so the dragon dude kills us at turn 6>change to esper so the game goes on longer>i guess they dont have fun now but we can actually play the game nowI dont get it....
>>98307592>of her ownShe gives it up to any knight. In fact, she even passed it around the entire Round Table. What a slut.
>>98307964Bracket 2 games should be minimum 8 turns, and I don't mean the decks should be built to win on turn 8+, I mean no one should be winning until at least turn 8, even if that means holding off.
>>98308228>I mean no one should be winning until at least turn 8, even if that means holding off.you have the right idea but this should only apply to infinites and such, as forbidding voltron and co. not only makes those decks not function as intended banning them discourages people from running interaction which is really not what you want in the first place
>post commanders that are value engines that alone are a ramp and card draw engineI hate commanders like this so damn much. If you play one I will target you from the start.
>>98308267In b2, voltron should not be winning before turn 8 and should hold off until then to kill the last player.
>>98308302>she doesn't do any if that???
>>98307405cute
>>98308519>play commander>play spell>open attraction>get to roll for value with said attraction>get to basically copy previous spell>get to play for free almost every turn until removedPlaying spell for free is ramp and card advantage, and that is not even taking into account what the free spell does, which in these decks is often something broken like extra turns, tutors etc.
>>98307485This. There was some Jewish twink at my LGS who was very blatantly trying to game the system a few months ago and everyone gave him so much shit for it and eventually stopped letting him join our pods until he eventually quit. Bullying serves a social function.
anyone pick up this sick promo at their LGS?
Does the bracket system even works?
>>98308683Works great with people of at least moderate intelligence who are using it in good faith.So basically never in its intended ecosystem (with randos at your LGS).
Quick, does someone have that old "average Kaalia player" meme with the dude wearing cargo shorts and drinking monster and such? I thought I had it saved but am having no luck finding it.
>>98308677>generic ambiguous brown girl boss #392
>>98308514getting killed by combat damage is so fair one has to wonder if you just added 2 boardwipes to your deck and called that your interaction suite
>>98308677Actually she'd work well in my Edea deck.
In a friends only pod. What would you say is the best (most fun) bracket to play?
>>98307585honestly, considering embercleave, it's probably easiest to reflavor the hammer into another irencrag sword.
>>98308805B3 is my GOAT. Jank piles that are refined to be threatening and matches that can last a bit if at least a few people have brought interaction
>>98308805The objective answer is bracket 2, though there are some dopes who will try to convince you it is bracket 4.
>>983088051-4. If you're all playing similarly powered decks, you'll have fun. I prefer janky themed decks in brackets 1-2 that go on for a few hours all battlecruiserish and fun. Like a Pirate themed deck full of sea monsters vs a Wurm deck vs a Spider deck. Decks that were made by looking through your cards, noticing you have a bunch of cards you aren't using so you take them and throw them into a theme deck and play it against similar decks. Pure fun.
>>98308990*sharts out a Rhystic Study*Heh... interacted with...
>>983088055>2>4>1>>>>>3
>>98308805bracket 2bracket 3 offers the lgs more opportunities to hook in players that cannot live without gamechangers like rhystic, and cedh is its own beast, but the answer for casuals will always be bracket 2
>>98308805Realistically all my friends play 1s. I would say 2 is the best starting point. Anyone that says 3 is wrong, and anyone that says 4 should immediately have all their opinions on the game ignored.
>>98308677goes in gogo
>>98308567>playing a spell for free is ramp and card advantageNot really what ramp is, no, but I get where you're coming from. That said, you only visit an attraction once per turn and only if you roll the number, AND you have to fuctionally pay for the spell once without certainty you'll be able to get the value off it, AND the attraction can be removed, permanently exiling the card.Tutors and extra turns are the problem spells there, not this whateverthefuck card.
>>98308761I run tons of interaction, I'm not talking about me, I'm talking about b2 in general.And there are lots of voltron commanders that get around interaction inherantly.
>>983088052, always 2, friends or randos, always 2.
>>98308677Does this combo with itself?
>>98309082b3 is full of people slapping 3 GCs in a b2 deck and calling it a deck, doesn't change the 'meta' for each bracket, there are really only a handful of voltron generals worth running seriously in b2 much less b3
Bracket 3 would be way better and worth consideration when the gamechangers that should have been banned are banned.
ban everything and white list in cards
I managed to pick up the 4 Modern Horizons 3 commander decks for £140, which I personally consider a massive win.Now if only I could find the fucking Fallout Mothman deck for anything resembling a reasonable price. The cheapest I've been able to find the whole set of 4 decks is £340 which is fucking insane.
>>98309551Why do you want to buy precons? Did you start playing this game yesterday?
>>983095542 years ago. And because the mechanics in those precons interests me? What's wrong with buying precons?
>>98309013My decks are technically bracket 2's that play like low bracket 4's.I just hate gamechangers and tutors.
>>98309638If they play like Bracket 4, they are Bracket 4. This isn't that hard to understand.There is no "my deck is an X, but it actually plays like a Y"; that's not how this works. It's just a fucking Y.
>>98309657Which is why I would never tell someone they're bracket 2 decks.
>>98309657if your deck is an X but plays like a Y it's still an Xjust like if you're male and you chop off your dick, give yourself an axe wound you're still male
>>98309554NTA but precons are fun and can generally be played against other precons without worrying too much about muh power level or seeing the same faggot goodstuff staples you always see
>>98305290I have a Breya modular deck that has The Great Machine combo in it.
>>98309657how about 'technically a 4, plays like a 2'>guy comes over to fill an open spot>"I've got b2s, a b3, and slivers">give him an askance "well slivers are bracket 2">he pulls out slivers>smothering tithe, fierce guardianship, enlightened tutor for rhystic>meanwhile he plays 3 slivers the whole game and gets overtop'd by someone's dragon>"wow you guys did really well against that"
unfortunately, the answer is to assume everyone is being disingenuous until you've played with them enough to determine they are credible
>>98309741I don't blame him, trying to make slivers work is a herculean task
Just had a great game where both of our lifegain decks popped off. Lifegain is fun because even if you dont win, you get happy seeing the number go up
>play at store>”oh yeah this is a bracket two, but it does have a gamechanger and a couple two card infinite combos”>”erm, is your deck REALLY a bracket two? You kinda popped off there…”>”yeah this deck is bracket two but it’s also a $850 proxy deck”>play at home with the POD>”yeah bro I got a killer opening hand so you better mulligan and shit if you don’t”“You have removal? I’d suggest targeting this creature here, it’s letting me do most of my things”>”Pass. by the way guys I can totally win next turn, so get me out if you can”
number? yeah it go up
Can someone tell me how I can teach my friend threat assessment? He thinks since a deck won a few weeks ago it's an immediate threat even if someone else's board state is built up to win in a few turns.
>>98309949I need to play more grouphug because randos threat assessment is always retarded>attack him? oh no he gave me a card once
>>98309915Based
I made two pubstomping faggots ragequit in a random pod game at my lgs (50+ people)context: you win 3 packs from a box (there are collectors in there) if you win, 2 if you lose. I have $1600 store credit from a thanos mindstone>nicol bolas (sweat lord), tyvar (her boyfriend created her a powerful elf deck, but she's new), captain america(captain cuck)>see smothering tithe, farewell, teferi's protection, one ring and torment of hailfire while they are shuffling, clearly contradicting the whole 'yeah it's a low bracket 3'>play dimir taskmaster (dimir self mill shell, no infinite combos but some haymakers)>topdeck sol ring>t2 buried alive lier, upkeep sheoldred, koh>force of will smothering tithe turn 3>turn 4 my commander becomes a copy of upkeep sheoldred (I never copy her again)>snipes bolas, captain america and a mana dork>I'm just fucking around and decide to cast demonic tutor and hunt for something silly>pass with 5 mana open, not trying to hold the game with my tutor, I have lier disciple of the drowned copied with my commander>nicol bolas player smugly looks at me while I'm still searching and says he is windfalling, whatever I find, put it into the graveyard and that he has a counter spell ready>reveal notion thief and point to lier, tell him I'll find something else. toss wrexial into my graveyard. flash out unagi >have 13 cards in hand now>everyone is 40 life and I'm 21 because they are swinging at me, I don't really care, but they keep whining they can't do any thing despite lier making everything uncounterable and they are bitching about counters>swing commander wrexial copy unblockable at nicol bolas>flash out notion thief and cast his windfall>i have 16 cards in hand, I draw 64>they rage scoop that they can't do anything despite having developed boards >it's turn 8 and 30 minutes>they are pissy and scoop up. >tell the new player to watch, I draw my deck out, lose>she wins by default since the other 2 scooped
>>98310050You sound like a tremendous faggot seeking validation on /tg/. Try posting this on reddit, it is my understanding that they appreciate this kind of post more over there.
>>98310050>bitching about farewell and teferi's>oh I have a turn one sol ringPretty good bait.
>>98310050Gottem.
>>98307700Yes. That is the dickish way to play 12.
>>98308302You won't get a turn for like 30 minutes. I've played this bitch.
Would you guys play with me if i play a b2 yshtola?
I don't know how you empathize with these players. smug, pretentious, lying about power levels, unskilled, attacking me despite only: countering smothering tithe. making them sacrifice a creature on turn 4. copy windfall/notion/kill myself turn 8. I didn't have propaganda, rhystic, just waterbend and self mill cards. I literally made all spells can't be countered. ah! I did copy koh with my commander and stole ocelot pride triggers, though it didn't do anything for me>>98310066turn 2 sol ring. >>98310061>seeking validationmaking 2 grown men have emotional breakdowns and rage scoop when they were clearly trying to pubstomp, and whining about counters with lier makes everything uncounterable is just retarded. I told them I was drawing 60+ cards when most of my deck was in my graveyard and they rage scooped despite me asking them to wait.
>>98310090no, if there's anything I've learned in the last few months when people go 'oh I just like her in ff!' then clone spam with free counters, or some other kill on sight commander that's 'chill' no brakes
>>98310090>UB sloppaSorry no
>>98309949They just have to play more. That same scenario is why my pod of people I got into magic thought Bill Ferny, Bree Swindler was some broken overpowered commander
>>98310090Sure.
>>98310066>3+ game changers in a deck>contradicts power level claim>'bitching about'I don't give a shit about the green text or whatever - but posts like this just rage bait me so hard. Is there a name for selective reading this way?
>>98308683lol absolutely not.
>>98308805None. If you are friends that play regularly you should all be aware of the relative power you all build at and just build to match that regardless of if they technically break a bracket rule. Friends who play together wouldn't need to adhere to strict bracket rules.
>>98310050>you win packsThen you cannot bitch about people playing competitively. As soon as you attach prizes you have inherently made it cEDH and you are a fool to expect no one to try and get that win for the reward.
>>98310050Good. Fuck em
>>98310132wrong! there is a CEDH pod at the same time, you will have your packs completely denied if you stomp that way. there are warnings and an airplane like announcement every time the event starts.
>>98308683It works in the sense that it gets people to think about deckbuilding and trying to create a roughly "balanced" environmentAs any sort of hard rubric, no
>>98310135You have a very very bad shop and I would leave it some shitty reviews if I went there.Byu literal dictionary definition it is competitive once you have presented a prize that only one can get.
>>98310103Would you prefer that i kill you in one turn with huge damage or infinite?
>>98310090Anyone who tries to deny b2 Yshtola inherently does not understand brackets and are just trying to angle shoot you.
>>98310140>plays high powered, breaks the rules, gets cucked out of prizes, then shit stomped while playing kefka, vivi and other high powered commanders>t
>>98310149Huh?
>>98310144yes, at least then I can pull out a deck that can deal with getting hit for 12 when you use your 3rd free counterspell while tutoring out glacial chasm
>>98310157Are you retarded?
>>98310140>join casual commander when cedh signups are the exact same time>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CANT BAN ME FROM THE STORE>THERES ONE EXTRA PACK FOR WINNING ITS INHERENTLY COMPETITIVE PLEASE YOU CANT
>>98310162Are there even 3 free non GC counterspells that aren't shit?
>>98310149shut up retard. >card draw, win condition in the command zone>both the card draw and win con are tied to the same cast trigger>esper colors
>>98310169there are plenty
>>98310172Please show me where Yshtola is on the GC list.
>>98310149^this poster is trans
>>98310178ah, the 'I'll ask random questions unrelated to the premise' technique. let's see how it plays out.
>>98310172>guys some commanders are better than mine which means they show up in cedh on the regular
>>98310172Just kill the commander then, fag. Or you'll also say voltron decks are like that since they have the wincon in the command zone?
>>98310197>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>YOU ARE WRONG>WHO CARES IF IT DRAWS CARDS FOR PLAYING REMOVAL??? >WHO CARES IF IT DEALS DAMAGE!!>ITS NOT CEDH ITS NOT CEDH ITS NOT CEDH>THEREFOR ITS BRACKET 2 YOU FUCKING CHUD>NOT CEDH NOT CEDH NOT CEDH I CAN PLAY IT ITS TOTALLY FAIR >ITS JUST CARD DRAW AND DAMAGE, WHAT? YOU THINK DO THING, DRAW CARD COMMANDER IN THREE COLORS FROM THE NEWEST UB SETS ARE POWERFUL OR SOMETHING? >UH OH, MORON CHUD ALERT >ITS NOT CEDH ITS NOT CEDH THEREFOR ITS BRACKET 2 ELIGLBE11111111
>>98310188You are stating that all Yshtola decks somehow break the bracket rules. You cannot actually articulate why Yshtola is not ok in Bracket 2 outside of "I don't like it."I am sure bracket 4 players don't like certain commanders but they don't pretend it violates made up rules if someone plays it.
>>98310090I have a b2 yshtola deck, I took out some 3cmc non-creature spells and added in a few more creatures to limit how much she could life steal and make drawing a little harder. Warrior of Darkness still beats people down pretty well with some pals even if she isn't triggering
>>98310212>card draw, win condition in the command zone>both the card draw and win con are tied to the same cast trigger>esper colorsI've articulated it plenty. it's actually extremely simple to understand. Yshtola is a keystone. She counters a spell, or plays removal for example:>cast a spell (even if free) above 3 cmc, including counterspells stopping removal>You draw>Damage triggers>Life gain triggersIt's a massively powerful commander, the slower the game, the more compounding the effects become.
i have a 0 mana 0/1 with no card draw and a deadbeat partner that i will never cast, clearly b2
>>98310226You still have not explained how she inherently breaks the bracket rules outside of "I dislike it."You are literally stating the precon she came in is minimum bracket 3 when it id genuinely the worst of the four.If your good bracket 2 deck cannot beat that precon then you have a serious skill issue.
>>98310258gavin made a massive mistake initially putting kinnan and co. in the GC list which now gives scrubs leeway in complaining about any commander out there
I have deemed that any commander I dislike is not in the bracket I want to play. Please leave or I will be calling the pinkertons.
I really hate jumpstart.
>>98309741This is the exact demographic that thinks GCs aren't good and exactly why their opinions on the game need to be discarded.
>>98310275I've seen the cope go the opposite way infinitely more.
>>98307490Would not be surprisedI doubt any artist working at Wizards wants to spend their time in the UB minesWhen they were brought on to make art for a fantasy card battler I don't think any of them signed up to draw art for 6 different marvel sets
>>98310369They all work on a contract, per-image basis because WotC is too stupid to realize that 6 sets/year means you might want to just employ some fulltime.
>>98310258because you are only thinking in terms of 'does this arbitrarily break a plainly stipulated X requirement' instead of the associated bracket requirements that describe how games play. Any commander that has an easily repeated draw trigger, that enables other triggers, is more powerful. You can be a moronbitch and keep assuming that yshtola by herself is 'not allowed' in bracket 2, but any person that can reason knows that isn't the case. You'd need to cripple the precon. You might as well be arguing that rhystic isn't that strong since it's just card draw.
>>98310369I have a vague recollection of there being some complaints about UB assignments being less lucrative because they are typically more restrictive and don't allow for artists to make money off things like prints or selling the original.
>>98309741it is weird that we can upgrade bracket 2 decks to 3 on some feels based ruling but you can't do it in reverse.No one would let me play Thoracle in 2 even if I was playing octopi tribal with my only way of winning with Thoracle is codex shredder.
>>98306984>What's the highest mana value you have managed to stuff in there?the mathematical limit is Brinelin + Kamahl, Heart of Krosa + Keruga. >>98306984>What's the highest mana value you have managed to stuff in there?the highest is Brinelin + Kamahl, Heart of Krosa + Keruga for a total of 24 mana (lol). Obviously Gilanra makes way more sense than Kamahl, though, if you actually want to play this. You can also run Gilanra + Kydele if you want double ramp in the command zone.The fun thing with a Keruga deck is finding turn 1 and 2 plays, that's where your Venture Forths and Search for Tomorrows come in really handy. It also means an excuse to run 0 Sol Rings which is always an upside for me.
>>98310437oops I fucked up the post :DDDD
>>98305047Squall should be 3-cost, Mardu, and also have Haste
>>98310380i love how you keep saying yshtola is this broken card when vivi is stronger while not having card draw with only two colors to boot
>>98310489>swordbro is backNo way.
>>98310489Rare cryptid spotted
>>98310493probably because you are a schizo who habitually imagines people that oppose you to make all of these stupid ass arguments in your head.
I have a foil sliver collection. It's very pretty
>>98310505Not for long, just checking in. Marvel is so cringe I can't even associate with it before it starts to burn my skin.Been spending my time playing league of legends of all things>>98310514RED ALERT I'VE BEEN SPOTTEDGOODBYE FOR NOW!
>>98310518>Marvel is so cringe>Been spending my time playing league of legendsA true Magic: the Gathering (TM) cumsumer
>>98310516>ok fine vivi is stronger>but i'll still complain about the catgirl in b2concession accepted
>>98310517nice
>>98310489tru datthey also need to make a white card that grants everything horsemanship like herald of hoofbeats
>>98310558Poet of Shu 4WWLegendary Creature - Human AdvisorWhite creatures you control have horsemanship3/3
>>98310518t. Man who streamed a game that is more crossover slop than MTG by many degreesAnd also mained one of those characters
we NEED an AI deck optimizer
>>98310573What game?
>>98310617tard take
>>98310617Agreed, not because it would be helpful for the majority of people but because it would result in completely absurd deck builds due to hallucinations.
>>98310279>t. Gavin
>>98310629nah we've already got those
Post cards that show a deck is up to no good.>pic related
>>98304865Patrick Star is wumbo i mean worthy
>>98310751I hate that they did this
For me, it's group slug.
Guys, is getting pegged by Y'shtola bracket 69 compliant?Every time I try to do something, she shoves another counterspell up my butt and the whole table takes another two damage.I have read the bracket guidelines carefully, but they don't clarify what happens when someone tries to make the table their bitch. Should we try making out during the rule zero discussion or should I lube up for a different playgroup instead?
>>98310892>help anons someone other than me is stomping the table and i don't like it
>>98310892Imagine losing to an unedited precon
>>98310898>obsessed with catgirl feetbased as fuck, anon
>>98310894is zur playable in the current year + 11
>>98310892Straightest Final Faggot post
>>98310930Arcum has a higher presence, but Zur is the runner-up for aging the best.
>>98310894In 2011, only Rofellos was banned as commander. Now he should definitely be unbanned since he has got the least powerful over time compared to the others.
>>98310949Unbanning and presumably gamechangering him would likely result in an especially heated reserved list and proxy debate.
>>98310963Or we could just, you know, bring back banned as commander, which we had for years for no problem.
>>98310971Whenever the new commander panel gets off their asses and actually does their job...
>>98310883How could anyone hate group slug? Everyone loves drawing cards!
>>98310489I really like the concept of Squalls mardu card, though it does suffer from needing too many different strats to make it efficient and suffers from the problem of 3 damage being too little but boosting his numbers to make it worthwhile kind of defeats the whole gimmick since why would you not just focus on commander damage kills at that point.Also welcome back dingus
>>98310617Wouldn't change much of anything. Everyone already knows what the best cards for each deck are. 99% of the cards in this game are garbage. The only thing that makes decks unique from each other nowadays is price point or the rare gigachad who intentionally builds against the grain (and usually punished for doing so by having to use lesser cards/weaker strats). Magic is more or less a solved game.
>>98311046I want an AI that gives me the most optimized cards with aardvarks in the art for bracket 2
>>98311046I've used ChatGPT and Gemini to help tune decks I've built and it's 50/50. 50% of the time it gives me good choices, and 50% of the time those choices are the optimal choice. It just doesn't know what cards are the best for what you ask half the time.
>>98311082There's exactly one card of that and you can effortlessly find it by searching art:aardvark on scyfall. AI is a tool for lazy retards.
Looking at wilson decklistshttps://mtgdecks.net/Commander/agent-of-the-shadow-thieves-decklist-by-matias-la-bianca-2934293>only 5 creatures, one of them is Vraska the SilencerI don't get it
Heliof+Walking Ballista is fair in bracket 3
Man i hope we get a Final Fantasy spinoff set in the future just so they get their cards. I would so run Ramza, Forgotten Hero as my commander
Bend the knee to the queen of monogreen
>>98311221Worse mossborn hydra
>>98311221Queen of coming in 3rd maybe
>>98311221Unban zesty elf
>>98311183Commander Legends: Battle for Ivalice
>>98311183as much fun as that would be, it will make characters I like into powercrept no fun commanders like vivi, kefka, yshtola or golbez. >>98310617I have one, downloaded scryfall made it into a rag/knowledge graph, have all of the tags, and edhrec ranks and it finds niche combos. fable 5 actually found a few semi-meta ones that haven't been listed online, which is neat.
>>98311224Mossborn Hydra can be your commander? Cool! When did this happen?
>>98311250>>98311183>tfw my favorite XIV character only gets to show up in an enchanment i just found a group slug commander to reskin her over so she makes everyone miserable
>>98311322It's really hard to search up a specific card or return them from the graveyard with green
>>98311359>>98311359>>98311359NEW
>>98310883>>98310984You guys are my niggas>t. Lifegain fag
>>98311096>not giving a sloth some sort of ETB or tap debuffSoulless
