Dance of Death Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98303138>Thread Question:Which Battle March box is the best in your opinion? Which one is the worst?
>>98306412>>98306429>>98306451You should use lights styled as little candles or braziers around the property.
>tqThe high elf box is probably the best one because you can double up on it and be happy.
>>98306803other than using the hero on foot and turning the hawk into a lone great eagle, what are some uses for the sky boat?
>tq I think the empire is the most improved and it might one day tempt me,As a beastfag who already bought the old battallion, the new box may one day also tempt me as well, as I dont have any Bestigors or Warhounds, though I still have 20 ungor on sprue and 15 gors.Love the diversity of the O&G box
>>98306816The sky boat is simply really good with the mini bolt thrower. It’s very versatile for its point cost, running 2 of them is a good idea imo.
>>98306862Indeed. But here’s what I am wondering. Why are the TK and WE battle march lists non existent? Makes me think that they might actually get that vs box that rumour mongers mentioned a while ago
>>98306789>TQ>Which Battle March box is the best in your opinion?Empire and Beastmen are the only ones that look like an actual small force to me. Proper regiments of 'common' troops and low-power characters. Why on earth would a small warband have two gyrocopters, a lothern skycutter, or a royal pegasus (other than for 'centrepiece' slop and to shift surplus stock)>Which one is the worst?Helves for the MSU/skycutter combo.Special mention to O&G for having 3 fast moving units that will zip off up the table and leave the 1(one) undersized infantry unit (in an O&G army of all things) alone to defend itself. And a single solitary goblin shaman on foot who will have to hug the unit of 15 orcs like his life depended on it, wtf is that. He's not even acknowledged in the tactics section.
>>98306883The High Elves MSU is what makes it so good, maybe not for actual battle march idk or really care, but for building a High Elves army it’s GOATed. You buy two and have full units of everything except the shadow warriors/sisters of averlorn, but those come in cheaper boxes of 10 anyways. And no fugly ancient high elf militia models this time.
>>98306888oh yeah agreed, I was only considering their use for battle march. I quite like the O&G set too if we're talking about buying two for larger games.
>>98306789>bestFrom a competitive standpoint, the Cathayan one hands down. A shogungen General is fucking ridiculous at this level. Despite the very mixed response, I think the Orc BM set is not as bad as people make out. Orc BSB inside the orc unit, gob shaman beside it. Wolf riders screen the boars. Boars and chariot ram hard into a single target and try to fold an army from the flank. >worstAlso Cathay, by simply being so OP compared to the rest.
is there any way to make dwarfs that1: isnt miserable for your opponent to face2: can actually winor are these two things just flatly inverse for dwarfs? i feel like every time i ease up on the copters, bullets and cannon balls and start running more axes and hammers i just get absolutely clobbered. but when i run gunline or vietnam apache formations i get a lot of eyerolls when deploying my army and i can tell the opponent would rather be anywhere else.
>>98306917Have you considered Slayer Host?
Man... I just can't stand hiperdetailed models. They just look so bad when ranked up, I can't even identify which unit is which one from a tabletop distance. After painting a unit of Kill Team Ork kommandos (just 10 freaking models) I REALLY was done, it was torture, i dreaded every second of it. It took me 2 weeks to paint 10 fucking ork models.Now I'm painting a unit of 20 metal 6 edition dark evles executioners and oh boy... it's so simple... so satisfying... LOOKS SO GOOD as a unit. I think I can have them done in a week. A unit of 20.
>>98306926i've got 20 slayers but i havent run a whole army of them. but whenever i've run slayers they just get lifted off the table from a slight breeze and rarely connect with anything meaningful.
SDS path to glory.1) Introduce Battle March. Update the mini range via new Battle March forces. Maximise FOMO release schedule. Better for inventory management - e.g bring out a Savage Orc box.2) Release a new version of Mordheim. Use to update characters and add some flavour units. New Slayers? Mordheim warband. Daemon slayers, dragon slayers, giant slayers, troll slayers. New free company militia? New warband. New captains, warrior priests, witch hunters and regular FCM.3) New siege rules. Bring back the fortress and siege equipment.4) Release a new version of Mighty Empires that combines the three levels together into combined campaigns. Explore a ruined city, break out into Mordheim. Border skirmishes and vanguard actions, Battle March. Large battles then use ToW. Finally you got your sieges. Groups can then pick and choose how much of each level of play they'd like.If done right would bring back the soul to Warhammer.
>>98306965Prepainted terrain and Mordheim could be interesting.
>>98306877Yeah somethings definitely fishy about it
>>98306964Isn’t that kinda what you want? If they die you get the points right?
>>98306965Isn't there a rumour of new Siege stuff coming for TOW at some point?
>>98307006Yeah ancient rumor monger Hastings said that a Warhammer Siege type supplement was coming to TOW along with a Warhammer Fortress type release iirc
>>98306789>TQI am sure that the Good Guys, the Main Characters of this setting - which is the Empire of Man - will get the next box WITH BRAND NEW MODELS.
>>98306969>>98306965> new MordheimHow about you fuck off?Mordheim doesn't need a new edition. It works fine, it has players and model options are bountiful. It does not need a remake to make it more convenient, the people who Mordheim appeals to are already playing it.
>>98306964the solo dude with impact is kinda good. But yeah, not having armor in the game is shit
>>98306965>>98306969prepainted terrain are for standardised tourneyfaggotry, not modularity or hobby groupsnew mordheim terrain or new siege scenery would not be prepaintedthere are also very little chances of a mordheim revival because the specialist team already has its budget thin and will rather use that for tow products than mordheim products, regardless of how cross compatible they would be, they have a limited space for manoeuvre within gw
>>98307141Yeah I don’t really see the appeal of reviving Mordheim either. As others said, the people playing it currently are happy and don’t need GW to create a new version. We’ve seen what they’ve done with the Necromunda revival, dumbing it down greatly, and still this next edition will be ever further simplified. We don’t need that for Mordheim. And better to keep the resources maxed on TOW now that HH seems to be dying too
>>98307155why is HH dying now?SDS could also cut some of the smaller games like LI since i can't imagine that has an extremely healthy player base
>>98307169Just general engagement online. Winters made a video on how it’s been losing popularity and you can see a lot of people echoing his statements. Also unlike TOW, they don’t have any central databases for tournaments so tracking it definitively is near impossible. But looking at general sentiment and online engagement. There’s also less tangible measures like how their fomo battlegroup boxes don’t sell out, but I admit that could be due to overproduction. And yeah LIGMA is completely dead in the water, HH is only in bad shape, LIGMA never really had signs of life and it seems GW has abandoned it apart from the 1-2 kits per year they pump out so no one can say they officially pulled the plug this fast.
>>98307182>general engagement online.I was curious and checked out the subreddit numbers. Yeah yeah I know but it gives decent info at a glance. The 30k one has 78k weekly visitors and 2.5k contributions, whereas the warhammer fantasy one has 65k and 2.7k respectively for comparison. Now, I assume the 30k one gets their visitors boosted from 40k fans and secondaries checking things out so the weekly contributions are probably more relevant, but even then it seems fairly comparable. Especially given than tow just got a bunch of news and releases. I don't think horus heresy is doing that bad.For completion's sake, aos is apparently sitting at around 3.2k contributions, and 40k at fucking 27k. Legions imperialis... at 172.
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>>98306342does anyone have a pic of that converted beastmen standard bearer with a naked woman's body hanging upside down from his banner ?
>>98307119>How about you fuck off?Why? If you're content with Mordheim as is then why should you care if it gets a new release?I'd love a new Mordheim release.
>>98307199Look at YouTube engagement for HH both on the official Warhammer channel and HH channels. It’s dire
>>98306789>TQI ran a battlemarch event yesterday, great format btw, you get a load of the flavour of the full game in a much more manageable format. And I think for BM specifically the OnG box is great. 20 Orcs is a really tough brick at that points level and the chariot and boars will hit like a ton of bricks. Having a character for each unit is good too. Personally I think I'd change around the wolf riders a bit rather than run them straight out of the box, maybe swap them out for squigs of some type, or perhaps even trolls. But yeah I think it's a pretty sweet box, blows the battalion box out of the water, although that's not a high bar. Curious on the price though, that'll be the make or break I think.
>>98307155the gaming groups who are happy with previous rules and models for mordheim have absolutely no reason to say anything against new rules, let alone models to add to their pool of resources, for mordheimthe only people who would have a problem are ones who do NOT have a gaming group of people to play old mordheim with but wish they did and think a new edition of mordheim will make it harder for them to find people willing to play the old rules, but it's all moot because they weren't going to find people to play old mordheim with anyway
>>98306930Lotta words to say>I'm lazy and have no tasteanon.
>>98307257>less than half the views of tow>less than a third of AoS>less than necromundaAlright okay nevermind it is dire
>>98307286NTA but I've seen multiple people actively into Epic begrudge LI for "splitting the playerbase" or whatever when it came out, although LI has basically completely died so I don't think that's still an issue.
>>98307234Because GW releasing a new version of an old Specialist Game instantly butchers the existing community and strangles recruitment, making it almost impossible to play the original version unless you already had a small tight-knit group already, at which point said group is only going to survive a matter of time as people move around for work or leave the hobby or drop dead.Nucromunda killed NCE. nuBB killed LRB BB. A new Mordheim edition would do the same to classic Mordheim, a game that already has more content with more playtesting than GW could produce in two decades of their SGS FOMO drug pusher release schedule and is available online right now completely free for anyone who wants to play it.If you like Mordheim, Mordheim exists. If you don't like Mordheim and want a new, Flanderized, DEI-riddled faggoty "update" version from GW, then fuck off.
>>98307306>randomly injects his politics into a discussion about game rules
>>98307306>Because GW releasing a new version of an old Specialist Game instantly butchers the existing communityThat only tells me that people want a new release. If they were happy with what they had then they wouldn't need to change over.
>>98307346There's a difference between releasing a new edition and just restocking the same version of a game.
>>98306930Agreed, seems like new tOW sculpts aren't quite as bad as the stuff AoS or 40K is getting but honestly hand sculpted metal models are still peak
>>98307351Yeah, those are different things for sure.If people are happy with the current edition though they needn't play the new one.
>>98307365The actual issue with releasing a new edition is people wanting to prefer that version because it's "official". Like how some people don't mind using 3rd party minis for their armies, but others HAVE to use GW minis because they are official.Of course not everyone will flock to that hypothetical new edition, but it will have an impact on that community for the old one regardless if the new one is superior or not.
>>98307379This is spot on, there are people out there obsessed with playing the "officially support" rules, even if they're objectively worse than fan rules or editions, it's baffling
>>98307306wasn't new BB literally just the old rules with the fanmade errata for them everyone were already using?
>>98307075Empire is not the MC of TOW though, that would be cathay
>>98307379Plus the inevitable purge of 3rd party models and STLs.
>>98307404I have no stake in mordheim vs nuheim or whatever but those STLs look like shit, I'd be glad to see them taken down
>>98307395>there are people out there obsessed with playing the "officially support" rules, even if they're objectively worse than fan rules or editionsExactly the point I was making. This phenomenon happened to WHFB- older editions, 9th Age, when TOW was released. Again, there is still plenty of players playing those editions, but there has been a noticeable decrease in the amount of people ONLY playing TOW because it's "officially supported by GW".>>98307404That would be another negative as well unfortunately.
>>98307415I meant to say there is a noticeable amount of people playing WHFB because of TOW. Sorry.
>>98306789>Hear TOW announcement>Dig stuff out of parents basement, buy eBay deals, scoop up random AoS lots to rebase >TOW drops>No one local plays, bros I played with in the 2000's are busy with their kids, doing Bolt Action, etc>Sell most of the stuff>Huge local scene suddenly forms overnightThe simulation is just fucking with me at this point.
>>98307155What if all they did for Mordheim is make print a book of the current fan agreed balanced rules without changes. Just rules in a book, fluff, some art, and a nice finish. Almost free money since they don't need to make models or anything else available.
>>98307436It’s all on your for not keeping the faith. It’s going to soon be a good time to jump in with the battle march sets coming out soon. Alternatively if you know which army you want to collect buy a battalion from a third party before they are gone forever (unless you want to play orcs that battalion is ass)
>>98306789>Undead OPbased. Hail Von Carstein
>>98307451That would be the safest way to market them to not incur in the wrath of old grogs or fake grogs but the rules won't be popular, there is a reason why every ruleset they make now aims to simplify things, it's what works with the wider target
>>98307436I feel pity for you, americans.Here people play 6 edition WHFB and TOW a lot. Like A LOT.
>>98307379Everybody's playing with prints in old world. They are everywhere in every tournament.
Any inklings of what might be the next round of models to get refreshed? I would have to guess and hope GW will focus on some of the worse models before going for the stuff that still somewhat holds up, but they just did a big Chaos refresh so that's probably not their plan.
>>98307569People are saying TKs but that's purely on word of mouth to my knowledge.
>>98307573>>98307569Tomb Kings and Wood elves, but that is mostly speculation based on old rumurs, and the fact they didn't get a pre-made muster list in the Battle March book like the other factions
>>98307569Tomb Kings and Wood Elves.
>>98307580rumours*
>>98307569twinks vs mommies
>>98306930real. i love the monopose plastic minis gw made in the 90s. easily identifiable silhouettes, not cluttered, quick to paint, leaves room for freehand and designs if you want.
>>98306789>TQEmpire, Orcs, and Beastmen look the best by far. As they should as the most kino armies.
>>98307213>a naked woman's body hanging upside down from his bannerwhy would you want to have a pic of that ?
>>98307697erm... just out of intellectual curiosity, no other reason at all...
>>98307415Man, I played 9th Age for quite a bit and quit entirely because of their own bullshit. Trying to refluff every army was a stupid idea, and they were dead set on ignoring all community feedback and declining interest. TOW dropping was simply the last nail in the coffin.
>>98307436Honestly the way some people buy and sell armies like it’s nothing is fucking weird to me. I might never play 40k again, but why would I sell my old armies? So much money, time and energy invested and so many good memories.
>>98307734Unless you have no room for them I don't see the point. Or if you're a WAACfag who only deals with the premier meta armies of the week. If it's a fully painted army it should be proudly on display for all time. If they're all still in box I can see cleaning out the house though.
>>98307436Clearly you weren't very committed either way. Maybe buy one of the new boxes?
>>98307734when i was a kid id paint up an army and sometimes sell it to buy a new one.
Reposting since there is two threads? I'm trying to 3d print a small castle (with playable interior), which one of these two do you think looks more Warhammer-esque and fits the setting better?This one, or
Or this one?
>>98307875definitely this one, the rounded towers give it a more warhammer feel, the other one looks way too historical.
>>98307871This one looks more warhammer to me mostly because of the colors and apparent construction. The first looks like a fort that was used, the second looks like a wall built around a house and they didn't have enough rocks to make a proper courtyard.
>>98307871>>98307875This one looks more Warhammer
>>98307871This one would make a good Empire fort if you added some empire bits and bling to it. >>98307875This one could do as a Kislevite Fort if you added Kislev bits to it. Maybe an Ostland Fort too.
>>98307898>>98307899>>98307907No.Learn from the spanish Chads as they are a superior race.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5TMLmAu8VnU
>>98307974>Spanish >ChadsLmao..lmfao
>>98307974That's a very nice model, but I'm not sure a monastery in mountainous northwestern Brettonia should have such classical Mediterranean architecture, especially for a God whose main location of worship is in the centre of the Empire
>>98307974>La MaisontaalHoly fvcking based and sovl
>>98307992>especially for a God whoseThat really is Warhammer Fantasys biggest problem. The human good guys should follow the Christian God.
>>98308012I don't think you want jesus christ to be born because a magic space frog planned it in his cosmic experiment.
>>9830802740kg is down the hall on the left, dick weed
>>98307992Bretonnians worship the Empire pantheon too, they just think Sigmar is a fag and the Lady is by far their chief patroness. Maisontaal in particular is a monastery for Grail Monks which is "secretly" (lol) run by a very long-lived priest of Taal named Bagrian.
>>98308034Anon, are you so new you don't know the old frogs engineered the warhammer fantasy world and its races down to the rise of very specific individuals?40k had this because fantasy already had it, not the other way around.
>>98308027Do 40K Slann have wholesome beer bellies like fantasy ones do
>>98308045>40K SlannDoes 40K have Slann? Old Ones =/= Slann
>>98308045>>98308051Nope, they were the old ones' top guys and helped shape the destiny of various races
>>98308051>Does 40K have Slann? Old Ones =/= SlannYes, and old ones are indeed old slann
>>98307734I wish I sold my ork army, because on the move to my home country and back it was all gone.If I had sold it that would have been money back in my pocket.Also, you know, space.
>>98308035>Maisontaal in particular is a monastery for Grail Monksanon it's got Taal in the name; it's always been a Taalite monastery.
It is insane how bad the Butcher sculpt is. There is no paintjob good enough to salvage this shit.
>>98308061>>98308062From the 6th edition Lizardmen rulebook, Slann are explicitly a servant and/or a slave race of the Old Ones
>>98308043I'm surprised GW never bothered retconning the Amazons away like they did with everything else from early WF Lustria
>>98308095It is truly awful.
>>98308095Alright? Don't buy it then
>>98308098Besides Blood Bowl, maybe we see them in TW:WH's Dogs of War DLC and GW releases some minis down the line as merc options
BRETONNIA!!!
>>98308034Boy, do I have news for you.
>>98308096that's because slann aren't old slann, but the old slann are slann.
>>98308095Personally I like it, if it's not your thing aren't they coming out with a new Ogre butcher in the AoS range?
>>98308121>buy
>>98306917Unironically stop worrying about both of those things and just made an army you think is cool visually and thematically. Neither of those two considerations would ever even enter mind. Just play whats cool, it's really that simple. Seriously, I'm not trying to be a dick but I keep seeing more and more the 40k compfag shit bleeding into fantasy
>>98308143>that's because slann aren't old slann, but the old slann are slann.This might be the case but do you have any proof that "old slann" are Old Ones, because the excerpt from the 6th edition Lizardmen Armybook implies that Slann were a separate species from the Old Ones, in the same way that Lizardmen or Skinks are separate, servants/slave races, species from the Old Ones.Also on a completely different topic, if the Old Ones from Fantasy are the Old Ones from 40k, and we assume that Orcs came to Mallus on Old Ones space ships (it's heavily implied since at least 8th edition) then that totally fucks up the narrative of Orks being heavily devolved Krorks, unless the devolution happened very quickly and Orks came into being before the Old Ones were wiped out.Pic related is another excerpt that makes it even clearer that Slann are a separate species from Old Ones
>TQI don't know what the best will be, but I'm buying the warriors of chaos one to add on to the new launch box half of WoC, and I'll probably branch out and buy a few different armies I find cool since this is probably the only game mode I'll end up playing in ToW.
>>98308213It's insane to me how shamelessly cynical GW was by mocking everyone with Stillmania only for people missing the point decades later and simping for it unironically.
>>98308235>You don't get it... It's actually SATIRE
>>98307436>>No one local plays, bros I played with in the 2000's are busy with their kids, doing Bolt Action, etcBirthrates have collapsed, what kind of podunk town do you guys live in that your friends are always married with kids by 30.
>>98307436>constantly buying and selling You deserve this fate because you're retarded. I still have warhammer stuff from highschool. >Bolt Action You should join them for a game, it's really fun
>>98308235>having fun with your toy soldiers and not being a consumerwhore? Bad actuality
>>98308264Good goyim
>>98308258No, it's cynicism and lack of respect towards its playerbase that GW was already sporting during the middle-hammer era and only exploded during the 6-7e period but people are not ready for this conversation yet. Stillman was an author of a few White Dwarf articles that were contradicting each other in many cases. As an author of several armybooks he was also responsible for the constant cycling of units and power creep. People like to idealise the "good old times" but every edition was broken in a way.>>98308277No, what was bad was Stillman being a hypocrite. His Stillmania articles are quite a hilarious read when you keep in mind he was the part of the problem he was complaining about.
There was a Battlemarch event at my local club yesterday, I'll post some pictures from it
Same character.However finecast remains one of the worst things GW has ever done.
>>98308290Seek Christ brotha
>>98308299Are those high elves converted to be dark elves?Pretty nifty.
>>98308308Yeah, I thought it was quite good, his entire army was, it was very impressive
>>98308215before the old ones were called old ones the rulebooks had the old slann, little to nothing about their role was changed after the shift in the name, so there's very little reason to think they must have been a completely different thing unless you want to argue that the aeldari are not the eldar and just a race that happens to have the same exact fluff and a similar name.the "new" adeptus titanicus rulebook kept referring to the slann as the empire before the eldar anyway, since it kept the lore section almost unchanged from the first edition of the game.gw sold this as an idol of the old ones.when "one of the ancients" appeared in a novel about the cabal in 40k, it was described very much like a slann.touching on timelines is harsh because regardless of how you try to align the two settings, things don't work, fortunately the warp is in the way so we can handwave any inconsistency about timing, but for the orcs, the suggested reason for the devolving from krork to orc has to do with the loss of the special mushrooms that grew on their homeworld and were used to enhance their growth and intellect for both the orc and the goblin, so orcish spores without that "royal jelly" just means normal orcs and normal goblins; plus there's the suggestion in one book that ork spores react to the waaagh field, with it also guiding what the spores produce, and since the warhammer world would be isolated from the wider galaxy then the orcs on this world can not develop or produce the same results.
>>98308301That's okay Anon, one day you will be ready to question how true are the le funny SOVL pictures you were saving on your computer so meticulously.
>>98307871This castle is KINO, but what use would it have in TOW other than a background prop shoved on a table edge?
>>98308311>react to the waaagh fieldforgot to mention, the waaagh field of gatherings of orks even light-years away
>>98308341I love undead. These are so sick. SOVL
It was a good day it seemed, Battlemarch seems like a pretty fun format and the fact that all 16 attendees had painted all of their armies was cool to see.Oh and here was a game of 40k going on at the same time.
>>98308348Dios mio.
>>98306930I used to not be very fond of the Infernal Guard models for chorfs, but then I actually got some, and realized it's very nice and leisurely to paint simple models with no faces.
>>98308290>every edition was broken The edition were fine, the problem has ALWAYS been the players. And GW over the years has increasingly attracted worse and worse players
>>98308348GrimBut at least the Battle March games seemed fun going by the photo you provided anon, Did you guys play with the Battle Marchbooks extra stuff like the Troll lair terrain or the lightning strike weather, or was it Vanilla?
>>98308362>the problem has ALWAYS been the playersLol, lmao. Bad bad players, how do they dare to play the game within the limits and rules created by a multi-million wargaming behemoth. Small indie company, please understand.
>>98308367>Did you guys play with the Battle Marchbooks extra stuff like the Troll lair terrain or the lightning strike weather, or was it Vanilla?It was vanilla, but the new book seems really cool, I'm looking forward to running some games with that stuff
>>98308375Why are behaving like this, Prozac prescription run out or something?
>>98308290>it's cynicism and lack of respect towards its playerbaseGo on, explain how.
>>98308401Projecting.If the game was properly balanced and GW ever put ANY effort into playtesting any of their rulesets, there would be no way to significantly break them. Claiming that players are at fault because *checks notes* they took a rulebook and an armybook and found the best way to build an army is ridiculous at best and retarded at worst. Was it players' fault that Skaven with Slings were OP in Mordheim? No, it was GW not playtesting their game properly and not addressing their fuck-ups. Was it players' fault that Plague Monks had literally a nuke buttom in AoS Skirmish? Nope, GW not checking their rules before releasing them again.
>>98308414Stillman lecturing you that according to him the "ultimate spirit of wargaming" requires you to write a ~2000pts roster and never change it only to brag about huge games being THE shit in the next article but actually lecturing people that they should play <1000pts games and change units A LOT to keep things fresh in the previous article is quite schizophrenic. Again, trying to moralise people about what is the good way and what is the bad way of playing the game while you are a part of the company that creates the dysfunctional gaming environment and by extension is part of the problem is cynical and hypocritical.
>>98308444>it is cynical and hypocritical for people making a game to have opinions on how the game should be playeduh huhYou have yet actually demonstrate anything btw, but thats alright. Im sure youll get to how stillmania or whatever is actually cynical and disrespectful.
I started collecting an O&G army for the first time earlier this year, and I just have to say I fucking love these little guys. I've got lots of stuff from different eras, lots of second hand and everything, and I still haven't found a single sculpt I don't like. And best of all they all fit in the same army because greenskins being different sizes and using different looted equipment is not a problem at all.
>>98308264birthrates collapse if a couple produces below 2.1 children on average. many have just one.
>>98306803Oh it's basically just the Isle of Blood box with more stuff that's cool
>>98308420>it's not MY fault I stole your bike, YOU left in unlocked!!Nigger mentality
>>98308501>Create a game that changes point values, loadout, and even what units are legal to play every few years>Yo guys why don't you play WYSIWYG with the same 2000pts list that today is 2000pts but in a year is 2250pts only to drop to 1750pts in 4 years from now?
>>98308420Yes*Obviously, players are not responsible for balance imperfections in GW products, but they are responsible for how they engage with those products and the imperfections therein. No corporation/company/dude has ever released a perfectly balanced game, that has simply never happened. There are always things weaker and stronger and things which can be exploited/which are superior ("the meta" - quite literally). There are always cases where a rule is imperfect and simply "breaks", or where there is an oversight; that is the nature of human fallibility. When people exploit a glitch in a video game, is it the fault of the developer or the playerbase that engage in that behavior? The answer is both.
>>98308522Playing a game within the rules created by the game creator is perfectly valid. Stealing is stealing no matter if the bike was locked or unlocked. The only person that displayed nigger mentality is you.
>>98308526>the rules change whats meta so I cant wysywigAh, I see you are one of those faggots.
Stillmania is aspirational and not an ethos that actually works in real life.This argument has been rehashed seven million times at this point and I'm sick of it. Either write an actual defence/critique paper about it or blow it out your ass.
>>98308535How is not being able to play your army because it exceeds the points limit "meta"? Stillman is quite clear here >>98308213 that you should NEVER change anything in your army and you should fight EVERY battle with the SAME army. It's Stillmania after all - you take it or leave it, you can't just pick the parts you like.
>>98308548Then play the old edition retard.
>>98308420This cope would work better if players actually played the rules as written and intended, which they repeatedly dont (see: the lack of terrain use and the outright hostility some whfb players have towards the idea of using it)
Damn this thread is still unusable huh
>>98308548>How is not being able to play your army because it exceeds the points limitWhats stopping you from saying "oh, my army is 2250pts now, guess ill play 2250 pts now"? Will fucking zeus come down and smite you if you dont play exactly 2k/2.5k/whatever the fuck?
>>98308562>we agreed to a 2K game dude, fuck off
stop arguing with the retard
>>98308562For me it's not a problem but an Anon here uses Stillmania as an example of how to play WFB in a SOVL and KINO way, unless you want to be a consoomer. I simply try to hold him true to his words but doing nothing but providing quotes from Stillmania articles. By Stillman himself, you should NEVER change your army in ANY way, so if your local scene is playing 2000pts only - which is common and standard - you are fucked.It was not me claiming that there is only one "correct" way of playing the game.
>>98308570>B-b-but smilmaniaaa.....
>>98308570Why did you agree to a 2k game if you cant play 2k retard
>>98308526Its called magnets bruh
>>98308578>so if your local scene is playing 2000pts onlyWhich they dont. You will not find a single fucking group where if you go "hey, can we play at (pts limit) instead" people will go "no, I only play at (pts limit thats more common)"!Yes, 2k (or 2.5k with 8e) is the most commonly played size. That does not mean it is the only size you can play.
>>98308291>>98308297>>98308299>>98308307>>98308310>>98308321Kinoooo alert
>>98308578Anon is a troll who doesn’t own models you should know this by know
>>98308548Oh, you just have Aspergers. Stillmania is just him describing how he plays in the Spirit of the Game. It's not a rigid checklist for you to follow without question, you autistic retard. I know you can't help but take everything literally, but jeez
>>98308600>"hey, can we play at (pts limit) instead" people will go "no, I only play at (pts limit thats more common)"!>Yes, 2k (or 2.5k with 8e) is the most commonly played size. That does not mean it is the only size you can play.NTA but this is exactly how my local TOW scene is. We are all working family men and we only have time to play on saturdays so we organise casual 2000pts "tournaments". This is the only way we can meet up and play against each other so not sticking to a fixed points value would further atomise the already small community.
hmmmm all the battalion boxes for ToW are gone except WE,BM and Dwarfs at least in the US
>>98308641Be gentle, anon is rabidly autistic and doesent understand that its not the 10 commandments but is rather a joking way to suggest things in the spirit of good play.
>>98308578Are you unironically opposed to SOVL and KINO ?
>>98308648>NTA but this is exactly how my local TOW scene isThen your scene is shit, and will be shit regardless of whatever rules are proposed. Because apparently "hey, want a game of 2250pts on saturday" is too difficult for you/it. >We are all working family menEveryone is, literally every gaming group has to work around real life schedules with work hours and families and birthdays and kids school events. Guess what? Everyone else manages to not have to default to robotically rigid play. You are not so uniquely busy that you cannot go and message your friend "hey, I want to play at X pts on saturday" and figure something out. Warhammer is a social hobby with a strong social element, the ability to talk to your friends is both expected and necessary.
>>98308641Kek austits taking everything literally is a huge problem in this general
>>98308311Fair play, it's not really the same because Old Ones are explicitly implied to be a separate species from Slann, whereas Aeldari are just Eldar with a name change. But that's fine, you're right.
>>98308075You're right.
>>98308129What I was expecting Foot Knights to look like
>>98308641>>98308688What does taking things literally have to do with being autistic?
>>98308562I would be perfectly fine with this. If you aren't creative enough to come up with a solution to keep a game interesting then that's on you. This only starts being a problem when your army is outnumbered 500 pts vs 3000 or something insane. I seem to remember there being a scenario for Bretonnia involving a single unit of knights fighting a delaying action or something, anyone know what my geriatric brain is trying to think of?
>>98308754That one where its seven knights fighting off an army. They all got unbreakable and shit or something.
I just preordered the new core set. What am I in for?>t. noob
>>98308759A bad time assembling your figures.
>>98308759Kek GW duped another boys
>>98308764why
Hang on.>give the Cathay lances to jade warriors>have the lancers use the halberds Now, rules as written, neither unit is usable due to illegal loadouts but they'll look like ballers doing it.
>>98308797Ever dealt Malifaux?Essentially everything is a monopole 3d puzzle with asinine connections.Here's hoping you don't want Cathay because you'll eventually want the terracotta sentinel and not even the archangels can help you then.
>>98308798>illegal loadouts What tf happened to this hobby I stg
>>98308834Spear and shield is too op a combo please understand.
So, any news on the chaos mixup army. Got some olde beastmen stored that I'm looking forward to wielding with other mortals.
>>98308834Seriously these young kids are treating it like the latest COD or Fortnite update
>>98308834Warhammer got infested with the competitive play audience. All their armies have to follow the meta. Probably only have a single coat of primer on their models too.
>>98308869Why would you have multiple coats of primer?
>>98308874I implied that all their minis would have only a coat of primer and nothing else. A single step above a grey tide.
>>98308874>he doesn't know
Which of the new Battle March sets would you say are best for a new player just starting their first army, not just as unit choices, but fun to paint/assemble etc
>>98308667in the UK it's just the WE and Dwarfs now
>>98308874I usually do about 3. Because one coat leaves too many uncovered areas so I giover them a couple more times to ensure it's all covered. This is so the detail isn't obscured by thick globs of primer.
>>98308759A lot of fun, I should hope. Welcome to Warhammer Fantasy, anon. Be sure to get sprue cutters, a hobby knife, a bottle of your favourite wine (I recommend porto), and some tamiya ultra thin to make sure you're ready for whatever might happen.
>>98308891probably the high elf one if you a complete newb to the hobby
>>98308759A grim and perilous world of epic battles and exciting adventures! You will make a small night goblin army once you've played against them and realised their supremacy.
>>98308949>epic battles and exciting adventures
>TK vs. WE kino coming soonfeels good
>>98308977I like how unnecessarily big the table is.
>>98308977Yep.
>>98308983Can't come soon enough
>>98309024I love the 6 inches of (unpainted) fencing just randomly plopped nonsensically on the table
>>98308983I teally hope Wood Elves get the love they deserveI really want new Wardancers
>>98308758It was something like "every knight is an Unbreakable Grail Knight with 5 attacks, 10 wounds, and Killing Blow + Monster Slayer" or something similar. It was used as an example of how a beginner could play against an established player with a large force. The story was a group of knights fighting a desperate delaying action or last stand of some sort, basically a 7v200. I remember I liked the idea, but never tried it.
>>98308869WYSIWYG is not a competitive meta you stupid nagger
>>98309037And the three pointless miniature Christmas trees all by themselves
>>98308869>>98308874>>98308884Maybe he "plays" AoS
>>98308977VGH..... SOVL.......The 5 random trees are killing me
>>98308983?
>>98308977What even is this, a fucking gel pack?
>>98309090>he doesn't have table jelly
>>98309067How the fuck are people supposed to C&C his unpainted shit???
>>98308751are you serious ?
>>98309097uhhh anon, they're clearly painted in a stylistic monochromatic styleyou clearly lack any artistic sense
>>98308759Kino in a box. Don’t worry about the assembly from what I’ve seen chaos isn’t bad to put together at all. Although like the other anon said Cathay has some kits like the sentinel especially that are quite difficult
>>98309097It's "monochrome" he intentionally painted it grey tide
>>98309116He zenithal primed it and stopped kek
>>98309112I’ll just throw a stack of bits on the table and say it’s a deconstruction and I’m subverting your expectations
>>98309123He didn’t even paint the base rims just left the spray on
>>98309134that's golden daemon material
>>98308983I kind of want to buy the wood elf battalion but I am scared with the refresh rumors. Surely GW will turn metal shit into plastic and not so more plastic glade guard right? I think only glade guard are at risk of being refreshed from that box, with the eternal guard and wild riders being 8th edition kits right?
>>98309165Why worry about it? If you like the current kits, you can just have a unit of each in your army. If you don’t like the current unit, why are you buying them?
>>98308096>>98308215>>98308311I rather like the version of the Old Ones in the book Xenology by Simon Spurrier (I know, GW later said it's not canon) where it's implied they are beings existing simultaneously in the material universe and the Warp (not just their souls, but their whole being) and that they must physically look humanoid in a very vague way (two legs, two arms, a head upon a neck, two eyes and a nose in the middle of the face) since all their creations have that general pattern
I play dwarves in MESBG. I kind of want to get into Dwarfs in TOW. How do they play? Is the battalion box a good purchase, my FLGS still has 1 in stock. >>98309179I’m still torn between dwarfs and wood elves tbqh. That’s my biggest problem.
>>98309207forgot to post these linkshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Qahhttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/UmbraI wish that GW hadn't dismissed Spurrier's work and had gone with this version of the Old Ones
Games Workshop using foreign language pun joke names again. Genuinely surprised.
>>98309215It's probably just due to whatever bad blood exists between Spurrior and GW that Xenology was declared non-canon
New Chaos Arcane journal “ opens up new ways “ to use marauders, warriors and knights. So new rules for all three maybe?
>>98309050Yea, thats what im talking about. I dont remember the 10 wounds though. It was just a seven samurai riff, one guy got a bunch of kitted out dudes, the other an army.
>>98309237I won't hold my breath. The last chaos AJ was an insult, if you ask me.
>>98309223Are we sure that's not just a happy coincidence?
>>98309254Path to glory rules were decent
What would you say is the best mark for a unit of Chaos warriors with shields nowadays?
>>98309263In a vacuum? Undivided. Do you also have a sorcerer with the Mark of Tzeentch? Mark of Tzeentch. Nurgle is trash, Khorne is a trap, Slaanesh is utterly worthless.
Can I get some opinions on a scenario I thought of? One big map with a large fortified manor/redoubt/fort, etc. in the center. Maybe it has some Palisades or ditches around it, idk. Both players start on the far ends of the table, and fight to gain control of this strategic position. You can imagine it's an important position that your commander has been ordered to secure on a much larger battlefield. The special catch is that every turn all your defeated troops respawn on your table edge as reinforcements to continue the assault. You get a point towards victory for every turn where your players have complete control of the fort at the end of the turn. Maybe play for time, say 3 or 3.5 hours, instead of a number of rounds.
I have 12 Ironguts and a few spare Bulls i can assemble as Standard bearers and Bellowers. What's the most efficient way of splitting them between units? Should I run them in two blocks of 8 dudes each?
>>98309298Gutstar imo. Do a Gutstar then put a Tyrant on a stone horn and a unit of 4 mournfangs and your opponent is going to have a hard time deciding which threats to focus on
>>98309303Whichever's closest.
>>98309303Both the tyrant and mournfangs are fast, and the Gutstar isn’t fast but it isn’t slow either
>>98309322Meant for >>98309311
>>98309303>>98309311Weren't Ogre mounts nerfed by challenges errata? Also what exactly is Gutstar?
>>98309282>Nurgle is trashBut isn't poison + opponent having to re roll 6s decent? Gives a boost of survivability and a bit of killing power
>>98309292Not an approved scenario, fuck off.
>>98309330A deathstar constituting of an Irongut unit, BSB and Butcher. It’s a deathstar but it’s called a Gutstar because it’s Ironguts
>>98309348Perryfag are you really false flagging so you can reply to yourself? You’re so pathetic lmao
>>98309333Poison does basically nothing now. It's not something you need to fear. Also, the Mark of Nurgle only applies in close combat. Very few relevant things apply poison in close combat. Finally, re-rolling 6s outside of the context of poison isn't actually that good. Anything that wants to fight your chaos warriors will have enough WS to not give a shit and anything that will be afraid of a measly re-roll 6s to hit will be something your chaos warriors can already handle just fine.It's a waste of points. It's really good on chaos lords riding dragons, don't get me wrong, but the Mark of Nurgle stinks on anything else.
>>98309333Also the mark of Nurgle doesn't give your warriors poisoned attacks.
Some weapons for Battle March >>98309369I think although poison is far worse 2+ to wound definitely isn’t useless imo.
>>98309209they suck don't collect them
>>98309292Are the lists decided before the scenario or after? because a scenario like this heavily favours certain units/armies>multiple small units>long range artillery>fast unitsbasically any large unit of footsloggers will be dead weight, because troops in warhammer don't move fast enough and won't die fast enough to respawn either.to offset this you might add that units can respawn at the long edges of the table the more time passes and units that haven't been completely destroyed can still receive reinforcements if they're close enough to the edge where units come from, just healing the existing unit instead of placing the unit anew. or you might give them the singular role of actually counting for the capture of the tower.but then we get to monsters and models with multiple wounds being disadvantaged, especially with artillery around, but if you're going to place enough low walls around the 'equator' of the board, and the central fortress is large enough, perhaps artillery won't be too punishing, but to not make monsters feel too outpaced, instead of giving them heals or somesuch, you could give them a counter role to the infantry: that one is needed to capture, monsters and big scary things always count as contesting, which also gives the nice visual image of defending troops fighting off a monster scaling the fortress.
When you wake a troll from their nap, they will be hitting you first if they can reach you
>>98309408wonder if that means we're getting a plastic troll at some point
>>98309363
Post fluff about the characters commanding your forces.
>>98309420Eventually TOW will give O&G their time in the sun with a whole new range of fresh plastics and a kit for classic trolls might be one of the obligatory releases in their eyes
>>98308095For a good 5 seconds I was convinced that the gnoblar was jerking off.
>>98308095Its more of a personal taste thing. I think he does okay. I do wish there were models based on the 6th and 8th books though.
>>98309443I love your write ups pale beast bro
found these at a random store, what am I in for?
>>98309622Dark shadows is very cool but I wish it was longer. No idea about path to glory
>>98309622Some jokes about Celtic Britain for Dark Shadows and a mini RPG supplement, I think, for that Path to Glory
There’s some good looking new art in the Battle March book, higher quality than the cover for sure. Almost as good as golden age whfb art.
So are we expecting Kislev in this edition or realistically is it a 2.0 army?
>>98309643yeah thought it might have a full roster for albion but it's just truthsayers, fenbeasts and dark emissaries or something. Still nice artwork>>98309679ptg looks cool flicking through it now, might fit into some battle march games which is neat.
>>98309420We aren't getting a plastic baggage cart
BattalionShield bearer kingIs this a good start?
>>98309747IDK at this point I wouldn't be surprised if they do end up making a base model to be used as a kitbashing base
>>98309749Yes the Dwarf Battalion is one of the best because everything in there is useful. Gyros are good, the warriors are good (just run them as Longbeards), thunderers are good and you can make a bunch of them into rangers which are good.
>>98309749for dwarfs?Yeah, that covers your core and basic characters
>>98309757>>98309758What would the next purchase be?Just so I can be preparedAre irondrakes/ironbreakers useful? I like using them in total war
>>98309767Irondrakes are very good, ironbreakers not really. Your longbeards fulfill the same role as ironbreakers but at a lower cost. Personally I’d get cannons or a grudge thrower. Some kind of artillery
>>98309767cannons probably
should i get an empire of man battalion box if ones still around, i wanted to do that as a second army eventually. i plan to do gunline/artillery mostly, going to paint it as nuln.
>>983097282.0 starter is the best way they could launch the faction.
>>98309815Yes it’s a GOAT box for Empire starters imo. You’re going to use the state troops both CC and missile, and while you may not run the Steam Tank in every list, it’s absolutely viable and gives your collection some legs.
>>98309753the issue with a plastic cart is how would they justify charging you for a Gun wagon later on when it's cheaper to buy a Wagon + some gunners than to buy the unit.
>>98309815There's a shop near me that has it and I've been considering grabbing it even though I'm not going to be starting an Empire army until sometime next year at the earliest. You're probably not going to be seeing those models go any cheaper than that.
>>98309835cheers will pick it up then, how should i build the melee side of the box. going to do handgunners for the other side because lol nuln
>>98309862Double check but I’m pretty sure if you want to run Nuln you have to have at least one unit of Halberdiers, so that would be the way to go. Otherwise probably sword and board. If you want to run Veterans in generic empire then spears aren’t bad either but sword and board is still probably better. Especially for ranged heavy armies
Does anyone have the pic/list for the dwarf battle march
>>98309869thanks mate, i should also build 4 squads instead of 2 megasquads then hey? i swear im not tourneyfagging, i barely play and mostly collect
>>98309893I think for the melee state troops you should commit either way . 15 CC state troops is too few to do anything. With the ranged state troops I would encourage half and half because crossbows definitely have a place alongside handguns. The extra range on the crossbows basically gives you an extra turn of guaranteed shooting, albeit a bit worse. Still that’s a big advantage over guns.
>>98309753I don't think the idea will survive into the next edition it is not at all popular in it's current rendition. Possibly making it a unit will help and it probably works better in battle march but it's despised at tournies if tolerated.
>>98309919>it's despised at tournies if tolerated.that intersting.Any idea why that is?
>>98309904thanks mate appreciate the advice might just separate them into 4 squads of each option and get reinforcements eventually then. definitely want to go handgun heavy for the fluff though but maybe ill do crossbows as well if they look cool.
>>98309231a real shame because the fluff he introduced was really good and coherent but GW is always ready to throw away coherent fluff/storylines so that Black Library authors can always make their own thing The only lore in novels they regulate tightly is that of the Horus Heresy
>>98309207>they must physically look humanoid in a very vague way (two legs, two arms, a head upon a neck, two eyes and a nose in the middle of the face) since all their creations have that general patternyou're wrong, Eldar look like humans but not Orks or Hrud which are creations of the Old Ones as well
>>98309231what bad blood?
>>98309951please, read the posts before replying
>>98309952I've heard nothing concrete but probably something over pay disputes
>>98309919Well, who cares about tourneyfags. Baggage carts have been very popular for hobbying. Honestly the fact that GW had no model to sell for it was a blessing.
>>98309932the main issue is that it's just a points multiplier for the victor rather than an objective to aim for from the start of the game, controlling your own train requires no unit proximity so it's free points for no good reason and destroying it is a bigger investment of a full turns base contact with a unit but you get less points than just proximity with it by games end. There's also cheesy stuff like putting cannons behind them because they don't block LoS for you but they do for your opponent (not sure if FAQ'd yet) and also the placement during the terrain step is kind of janky when deployment is after but then you have to factor in and squeeze around another piece.
>>98309951read what I wrote again>look humanoid in a very vague way (two legs, two arms, a head upon a neck, two eyes and a nose in the middle of the face) I use a very loose definition of humanoid as human-shaped but not necessarily looking closely like humans ; ie : four members , upright posture, one head, two eyes, etc... other than that, details like the color of the skin, the average size, the shape of ears can vary a lot the book outright states that all races in the galaxy that conform to that general pattern are creations of the Old Ones which explains why it is so widespread and found in so many species only races that don't look like that may not have been created by the Old Ones and thus are truly "alien" like the Tyranids for example and there's also another bug-like species (not Tyranids) in the book that also don't fit the pattern
>>98309965I mean it was introduced as a staple in the Old World Matched Play guide so I'd say that GW made it for tourneyfags and absolutely won't want to continue it if they give it a bad reception. It will probably survive in battlemarch though.
>>98309976but there are also races that look this way but weren't created by the Old Ones like the T'auhell, even humans themselves
>>98307734If i did that i would have no space in my house. By buying and selling it allows me to continuously improve my painting skills, keeps my army current and keeps clutter out of my house. It has the added benefit of keeping the cost of my hobby down. I paid $5k last year but sold $6k. I still have my first army and keep specific models that i really like but overall i dont need 100 different armies sitting on my shelf
>>98309986the book implies (read all but outright states) that T'au had their evolution shaped at some point by the Aeldari using the same methods as the Old Ones and even further back they may have been originally engineered by the Old Ones themselves>hell, even humans themselvesagain the book clearly implies humans were also created by the Old Onesthis is what I liked so much about that book, it connected everything in 40k with an elegant and all encompassing explanation that made sense but some may don't like explaining everything as "the Old Ones did it"again a true shame that they got rid of that lore because I really think that the 40k storyline was enriched by it
>>98309946>The only lore in novels they regulate tightly is that of the Horus Heresythis is their main cash machine so they better not let it go in multiple directions at once
>>98309207>>98309951>>98309976>>98310001this isn't the board for discussing 40k lore, you parasites
Guy at my club trying to say supporting attacks can only be done by one model behind the fighting rank. He's just plain wrong. Why else would it mention movement speed? How many 2 move infantry units are there even? I didn't feel like fighting for 20 minutes about it so just said fuckit, but it basically meant my ungors in a primal herd did nothing all game.
>>98309976>look humanoid in a very vague way (two legs, two arms, a head upon a neck, two eyes and a nose in the middle of the face)>four members , upright posture, one head, two eyes,would that really fit the Lizardmen ? they have most of these features but the're not really upright and they have snouts instead of flat faces with a nose in the middle
>>98310023>would that really fit the Lizardmen ?in a loose/general sense, yesas stated earlier details and features may vary between species without disrupting the common anatomical pattern
>>98310017Yeah he was absolutely wrong. A bellend if I may
>>98306789>picSo when are Vampire Counts making their debut as a mainstay faction in TOW? Are we looking at 2029 or later?
>>98310032I never played TOW (yet), only older editions of WHFB, so I got a question: Does your infantry get to make supporting attacks though if the fighting rank gets eliminated before their initiative step ?
>>98310054Yes, the supporting rank still gets their attacks normally if the fighting rank gets shrekt. And this is 100% unambiguous as this question was asked and answered in an FAQ
>>98306803Are we even sure this will be a box?I want it to be but....
>>98306917No more than two gyros and three war machines, and two shooting units. If you take the anvil, minus one war machine and copter.There. Now you are fine.But yeah, no one wants to play your faggot gunline or faggot flier army.
>won my first game of battle march>loser had to buy the winner GW's overpriced made to order Baggage Train Carts. Today was a good day.
>>98308095I love that sculpt, I remember it was the first Fantasy model I saw and it scared the shit out of me as a youngun. It has two other alt heads that that look way better imo.
>>98310098Kek
>>98307569No one fucking knows and anyone saying they do is full of shit
>>98310017all models in the second rank get one attack, 3rd rank also gets one attack if they have spears.
>>98308095I like it.
>>98310098A fate worse than death
>>98310352*$77
>>98310224Naw, supporting attacks are based on movement distance. Human spears get 4 ranks. First two are front rank, 3rd and 4th are supporting. But the 2nd rank also only gets 1 attack since its not in base to base contact with any enemy models.
>>98310421No. The 3rd rank doesnt get an attack unless you have spears. The distance is to deal with linehammer and stupidly wide frontage.
Kislev used to be so cool
>>98310421The 5th rank would too if directly in front of the enemy since 4 ranks in front of it is 3.94 inches away.
>>98310352It's wild that you can get a better mini for half the price. Nostalgia is a hell of a drug.
>>98310425I said spears
>>98310435The two dozen or so single horse Perry carts are all $9
>>98310439The 4th rank isnt supporting. You have the fighting rank at the front (1st). The 2nd rank provides supporting ranks if youre infantry and they are within MV (unless you do linehammer the later part is irrelevant). Spear merely extend this to the 3rd rank. The 4th rank does nothing beyond provide combat res. Unless they add pikes lol
>>98310468So throwing spear means absolutely nothing for ungors on a primal herd? As seen >>98310017The model is directly behind the front rank and in move distance.
>>98310492My bad I thought you meant regular spears.
>>98310421No it's not. The movement distance is only for making a supporting attack from the front rank if the front rank is wider than the enemy. Only those in base contact get their full attacks. Models in the second rank behind those in base contact may make a single supporting attack. And models in the front rank, not in base contact but within a number of inches equal to their movement speed may make an attack. Like the other anon said, it was to deal with linehammer bullshit.It does not give anyone within X number of inches an attack.
>>98310681So convoluted and unnecessary complexity
>>98310681we're specifically talking about "fight in extra ranks" with spears or other sources that give it, which give supporting attacks.
How many guns can you shove into an Empire of Man List before you start losing/making your opponents miserable?
>>98310713Imagine an Empire list that is mostly hand gunners, some halbardiers protecting their flanks, and an artillery battery . ... in the name of the EMPRAH...WE WILL HOLD THIS POINT!
What size base are lesser daemons supposed to go on?
>>98310430Polar bears and ice weapons, comrade.
>>98310781Depends.Bloodletters, Plaguebearers and Pink Horrors are all 30s. Daemonettes and Blue Horrors are on 25s.
I somehow keep being surprised that EVERY name in Warhammer comes from somewhere - history, a book, a British brand name. It still actually surprises me every single time that I see one of WHFB's big names was straight lifted from elsewhere. Gee I sure wonder where we'll find the vampire in Carmilla (1871)
>>98310421No the 4th rank can not attack because its not directly behind the fighting rank
>>98310850so, on the charge, throwing spears are worthless on ungors since they will the vast vast majority of the time be in the 3rd rank, and there is only 1 fighting rank on the charging unit. These models are directly behind the fighting rank. Anywhere that states a model needs to be touching uses the words touching. And as such, the spell Fury of the Beast does nearly nothing.
Vampire counts question should I take double necromancy on my necros or should I take one with dark magic and lore familiar. This means I don't get access to van hels danse but get battle lust. Not sure what to prioritize
>>98309622I’ve been looking for a scan of the book on the right for a long time, as I recall it containing unmitigated kino and soul
>>98311001>not sure what to prioritize Prioritize whichever you think is cooler and is more fun
>>98310864>they will the vast vast majority of the time be in the 3rd rankI dont really understand what you are talking about, since every model, except characters, in that unit will be equipped with throwing spears including the 2nd rank, which would be able to make supporting attacks when the unit charges. >the spell Fury of the Beast does nearly nothing.it helps you, if that unit is in ongoing combat at the start of your turn.
>>98310421With spears you get fight in extra rank, that means the fighting rank plus the supporting rank plus an extra rank. Three ranks.
>>98311100https://tow.whfb.app/special-rules/fight-in-extra-rank
>>98309298Multiple units of 6 tends to be the best.
What do beastwomen look for in men?
>>98311294Fat cock.
>>98309209It's a good start, but when composing your army you'll have to choose: play to win or for fun because a winning dwarf army is a lot of shooting and waiting for the opponent to come to you to fight your infantry blocks which isn't too exciting for some players that prefer mobile armies. But if you play non-optimaly for fun and mix the usual gunline with stuff that moves around the table for the enemy to kill like miners and rangers I think you'll have fun.
>>98309618Thank you Anon, I do my best to enjoy this hobby.
is TOW played at 2k or 2.5k?
>>98310430that isn't Kislev
>>98311442saar those cossacks are different
>>98311438I think 2K is the more popular of those point values at the moment
>>98311442>responding to 7 hours old bait that gets posted every other thread
Holy shit the spear rank shit is triggering me. The front rank is the fighting rank, press of battle means when not charging the second rank is also the fighting rank for regular infantry. Fight in Extra Rank means you can make supporting attacks, which is the rank behind the fighting rank. The movement value doesn't magically let the 4th rank attack, it's a fucking AND, not or. That means not everyone in the third rank would be able to attack, if they're out of their movement range from an enemy they can't attack. Yes, Fury of the Beast is probably better to use on a unit that doesnt already get supporting attacks, but throwing spears are only on the charge so it would still be worth while when not charging.
>>98311479I'll take any excuse to post the models, I hope we get a mto one day I'll gladly pig out
Why the hell do Marauders have better Chaos "Marks" than Warriors??
>>98311527because the new arcane journal isn't out yet
How to fix dwarfs: change dwarf crafted to negate the penalty for moving and shooting and watch them walk up the table.
>>98311518that's what I thought then they announced one for Vostroya. Then I actually saw the prices.
>>98310847This is why WFB is a beloved and timeless gem of a setting.
>>98311548Ah yes, mobility. The quintessential Dwarfen quality that sets them apart from inferior human guns.
>>98311548>m4>can move and shoot without penalties (can't march and shoot)>if they haven't marched in the previous turn, and aren't carrying heavy weapons or handguns or crossbows, their shields give them +2 against ranged attacks instead of +1>have -2 to rolls for charging and fleeing
Fucking love dwarfs but whenever I read about their gameplay I just lose all motivation
>>98311554shame that modern GW designers are all social degree 2:2 mediocrities with no breadth of reading who just make shit up even if it makes no sense. AoS is probably the most infantile but even TOW has succumbed, the Tzarina has a man's name lmao.
While we're on the topic if perfectly fine Chaos Warriors can get a sick ass update surely we can get some new dwarf warriors/quarrelers/rangers?
>>98311604It did in 6E, dwarf handguns didn't have Move or Shoot and a +1 to hit at half range.
>>98311604If you don't know that dwarfs are natural sprinters consider yourself lucky for not finding yourself in short distance of one.
>>98311618I think Chaos Warriors got an update for two reasons1 They needed metal upgrade kits for halberds and great weapons, so updating them meant that GW could remove those from production and replace them with Plastic ones down the line2 make them distinct from the AoS Chaos Warriors which is general goal of GW to make AoS and TOW diffrent
Dwarf handgunners are boring to me. If I were a member of the pedophile elite and was able to be in charge of things regardless of my compotence, I would big up the fact that Dwarves know about petrolium, but their nonhuman psychology prevents them from industrializing as a society, with meta and pushed missile units being flame throwers and explosives.Muskets should be primarily a human thing, desu.
>>98311685Since when has the use of petroleum stopped the use of firearms?
>>98309692Orc boss looking ready to bash that humie general gud
>>98311685What the fuck are you talking about
>>98311756
>>98311685>compotenceBased retard
>>98311701I think that may just be a regular orc (that’s about to get his skull caved in by the zweihander)
>>98311618>surely we can get some new dwarf warriors/quarrelers/rangers?probably, but not soon, 3-4 years I'd say
>>98311618>>98311860Be sensible anons. High elf militia should be redone before anything else.
>>98309402I love how casually annoyed the soldiers look in this art>Hans its fucking back again, tell Klaus to go get the broom!
>>98309443Fuck yeah, havent been on the board in a good 6 months, glad to see youre still posting your dudes
>>98311069>>98311100>>98311126Yeah, which create supporting attacks. Primal herd is 10 gors, 10 ungors minimum. So your going to have a rank of gors no matter what as your front. Then a rank, or most of a rank, as your second. Then ungors with throwing spears, which give attack in extra ranks on the charge, which means they will be almost completely be in the 3rd rank which is not touching the front rank so will do actual fuck all on the charge and will then be forced to do handweapon shield by the time they can attack.Fight in extra rank literally says the models gain supporting attacks. So supporting attacks is what rules it follows.
>>98311878high elves require a smaller wave of releases compared to dwarfs, they might also do them soon and then forget about the high elves for a while, probably why they haven't included them in the battle march box
>>98311617>even TOW has succumbed, the Tzarina has a man's name lmao.what name ?
>>98311690Never, but you didn't get what I said. It is possibly my fault for communicating poorly. I don't take issue with Dwarves having hand gunners... like at all, and certainly not because I find it inconsistent/unrealistic because they have petrol.I just think it would be cool if the primary missile weapon Dwarves were presented as using, looked and played diffrent from other factions.
>>983097282.0 launch probably alongside further WoC updates. But I wouldn’t be shocked if we get a Kislev wave 1 this edition, especially if 2.0 is a ways off.
2.0 army is Halflings of The Moot.
>>98309692Empire vs O&G is always kinkThree way tie with Empire vs Beastmen and Dwarfs vs O&G for best matchup.
>>98311935Kino* fucking hellFuck it, its kinky
>black nmm with brass nmm trim>steel nmm with silver nmm and brass nmm for trim and detailsWhich way for my chaos undivided chaos warriors?
>>98311954both and more, chaos is variety
>>98311924I'm willing to bet that Kislev is revealed alongside 2.0
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>>98311878That and TK skellies are definitely top priority.
>>98306926>>98306964Anyone who runs slayer host & brings 6+ doomseekers should be stoned & thrown out of their playgroup. Not even kidding. It is without a doubt the most unfun way to play whf because the only way your opponent beats you is by NOT playing whf, making both parties endure a miserable game with little to no combat.I find it doubly retarded it technically gets around the unit cap imposed by match play as well- an army should have no more than 6 of a unit. PERIOD. Anything more is retarded meme faggot spam that makes for an unhealthy unfun waacfag stat check list to play into.
>>98311960Yeah I’m not really in a rush to get them since I’m sure plenty of their range will be annoying. I’m much more excited for existing faction updates.
I cannot tell if this reviewer is literally one of the worst painters Ive seen or I hate the new chaos warriors
>>98312014I've seen worse.
>>98312014They can easily end up looking somewhat toylike I've noticed. I thought it was just because of knotley's meme contrast style at first but I've seen a few other paintjobs that give off the same "vibe"
>>98312014The shields are not to my taste. I suppose it doesn't matter, seeing as I already have too many chaos warriors, but it's a shame they wasted a good iteration of the 5th edition design by giving them those awful shields.
>>98311897>high elves require a smaller wave of releases compared to dwarfsnot really. They could just re-do the core, since that's the shittiest looking in their range.they could probably get away with a single kit that makes all core options. or they could do 2 kits, one for ranged units and one for warriors+miners; just to finally get rid of all the 6.5 and 7th ed ugly plastic dwarf.
>>98312014seeing models painted badly is as informative if not more informative than seeing them painted wellhas any of the reviewers shed a single light on how the models look when the pauldrons aren't attached?
>>98312041with elves you need just archers, spearmen and silver helms to get rid on all old units.with dwarfs you need to address warriors (with multiple options), ranged infantry (with multiple options), rangers (if you don't shove them awkwardly into the ranged infantry), miners AND slayers, because a range cannot keep having troops of that significance left in metal.
>>98312042>seeing models painted badly is as informative if not more informative than seeing them painted wellthis is very true, especially for people new to the hobby and younger players. It gives them a more realistic view on what to expect seeing on their table (from both sides). >any of the reviewers shed a single light on how the models look when the pauldrons aren't attached?They probably look like the ironbreakers do without the pauldrons (they look better)
>>98312014>I can't tell the difference between volumes and colorsThat's because you're retarded.
>>98312047>AND slayers, because a range cannot keep having troops of that significance left in metal.You're right. I didn't even think of the poor slayers. people have been asking for plastic slayers for at least 20 years at this point. Ironically it was kind of one of the first thing they did in AoS (with their pederast looking fyreslayers). At this point if you're not buying the AoW slayers though, you kind of deserve whatever bullshit GW pulls.
>>98312036I really hate the prepainted dnd miniature vibes I get from this paintjob in particular>>98312040Honestly I dont know what the hell is up with GW and their shields recently, why they insist on these half a foot thick perfectly flat shield rims is beyond me. They look incredibly shit and are awful to paint. The marauders have the same issue, though to a lesser extent. The basic shape of these and chunky details and decoration looks worse and worse the more I look at them.>>98312042I feel like the tale of painters guy showed the assembly instructions and that should show how they attach.I do think that a bad paintjob makes models look so so much worse than they are but I feel like that one I posted really highlights elements that I dint like about them. I am much more of a fan of the aspiring champion/bsb model, they have the exact same aesthetic but look a little less... Unfinished?? I really want to see the chaos warriors in person though, kinda glad I didnt pre order any before they went out of stock though to be honest.
>>98312014Why does he have fat child bearing hips?
>>98312137>heDid you just assume her gender?
>>98312120Here's a fun opportunity: Compare unpainted 1997 chaos warriors with unpainted 2026 chaos warriors.
>>98312141they look like orcs in armour
>>98312141Its very weird to have what were some of the first models I owned basically get updated with modern sculpting and just really not feeling then at all.
>>98312120>I feel like the tale of painters guy showed the assembly instructions and that should show how they attach.ThanksThey look like it could be fairly trivial to add the fur back over the underpauldrons
>>98312139Women can't be warriors, silly.
I hope the inevitable Engra Deathsword model is even slightly close to this in quality. We need good characters to ground the new timeline. Otherwise, people are just going to keep playing with Franz, and TOW will just be WFB 9e—which I'm also fine with. I just want a commitment one way or the other.https://www.tomb-art.com/projects/z6yN6
>>98312148wait.. could these make good black orcs then? Maybe just swap the heads and maybe change some of the weapons/ shields
>>98312093I used the BloodBowl kit for the characters, but the rest are still metal.
>>98312205Me likey
>>98312185I feel like the aspiring champion and bsb is definitely headed in this direction, but I feel like even a insanely good 1/1 copy of the art will feel like a letdown as the reason why that artwork is so incredible is more than just Engra himself. It's the lighting on his armour, the incredible heat and depth of colour of the flame behind and the darkness in the sky as much as it is engra. Any model is going to pale in comparison as it will inherently be missing at least half of what makes his artwork so powerful.
>>98312014> plate armour> wooden shields
>>98312196I feel like they could make black orcs, but good black orcs? No, not at all.From memory they are also very, very small.
Kislev, The Ind, Araby and JappanThe others things you could add without inventing things, spliting a faction or including a tiny faction that only lives in one tiny places are...
I wish they kept the old warrior aesthetic, but just made them more detailed and modernDon't like the new ones, AOS is more in line with whfb warriors
>>98312234Isn't that just the current AoS range?
>>98312218To be fair, metal shields except for small bucklers or targes wasnt really a thing, Im sure theres some weird exception somewhere but shields were virtually always wooden and then covered in canvas or leather and then rimmed in hide. Metal rims were also pretty much nonexistant, apart from a few roman examples and I believe some middle eastern ones where theyd crop up occasionally.I do really hate the bare unfinished wood on the front of the shield but thats basically universal in any fantasy or shitty "historical" tv show or movie
>>98312120>Honestly I dont know what the hell is up with GW and their shields recently, why they insist on these half a foot thick perfectly flat shield rims is beyond meIt's somethiny I always hate in proonted models because that seems to be really common there for some reason, but now gw has started to do it too
Retard here. Is it me or there's no Skaven, Lizardmen, Tomb Kings nor Vampire Counts battle marches? I've been eyeing on WHFB from afar since childhood and thought those rumored battleboxes would be a good occasion but looks like there's 0 of my favorite factions?
>>98312234This is the old warrior aesthetic though. 5e is older than the one's you like.
>>98312273Skaven Lizerdmen and Vampire Counts are "legacy" factions and haven't been officially supported by GW for TOW for whatever reason.Tomb Kings and Wood Elves don't get pre-created Battle March muster lists yet, probably due to them getting a AJ later this year
>>98312218I despise this D&D/WFB/RuneScape-ism that's caused people to think (actual medieval heater) shields are made of metal or have metal rims. They're literally just wood and leather.
>>98312291AJ?So legacy factions won't have their boxes but do they at least have rules and points to support them in a game of TOW? If not is there a dedicated community in charge of that? Would they do the same for Battle March? Thanks anon.
>>98312014How you paint determines whether or not something will look cartoony or toylike. For example, the Death Guard in 40k painted by eavy metal look very cartoony and toy like. But you can also paint them to look grimdark even with some of the sillier sculpts (such as the teeth stomach). Pic related.
>>98312271Right? Its one of the reasons I personally loathe most 3d prints, just the weirdly scaled overly thick sections. I swear to god with GW it started with forge world Lord of the Rings models, there were a bunch of named character they did and every single one had these like car tyre thick shields that looked like absolute dogshit and it spread from there somehow. I cannot see any sane reason for it as theyve been casting thinner and thinner pieces for decades while theyve been making 3d designs and its only really recently they decided to do this shit.
>>98312318They have official legacy rules that are a bit weak but they also have very well developed community rules called Renegade Rules (by a group called Square Based) which are very nice
>>98312324I really hope you are right with these models, that goonhammer article has given me the fear though.
>>98312047>a range cannot keep having troops of that significance left in metal.why would someone think this? they should be sculpting everything by hand and releasing only metal miniatures. metal is superior in every way. feel better in the hand, hold details better (hair, fur, chainmail as examples), durable, easier to strip, any leftover metals are kino and soul sculpts by artists. plastic cadslop designed by indians should be boycotted.
>>98312318Yes they have rules from GW and widely adopted tweaked community rules (renegades pack). AJ means arcane journal, there were rumors that Tomb Kings and Wood Elves will share a versus box like Cathay and Chaos currently do. People are speculating that them not getting battle march boxes only strengthens this likelihood. That their battle march armies will be in the versus box. It’s important to note that Battle March isn’t like Spearhead in that it isn’t just pre determined lists/what’s in the box. Those are going to be sold as easy Battle March 1 box intros, but you can play Battle March with any legal composition from 400-700 points.
>>98312318>AJ?arcane journel the 48 page supplement for TOW Legacy factions have free rules online on the GW website but no other surport
>>98312341>>98312370Noice. You anons have been a trove of knowledge. I'll start and look into these Square Based guys while hunting for old but gold minis from my era.
>>98312365NTA, but I think everyone who actually owns both metals and plastics agrees that metals are superior for all the reasons you listed. Plastics have their place though; it's much easier to kitbash, it's much more noob-friendly, and it allows for more intra-unit variety by mixing bits.
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>>98312331Wow that looks comical
>>98312365You're mistaking someone pointing out that's what gw's direction is, with it being anon's own opinion and preference.Btw, if you don't find use in plastic kits, then you're a tourist.
>>98312205These are great! Are they on 20 or 25mm?
>>98311788You're about to get yer skull caved in with a zweihander! Also lad is too big to be just a boy
>>98312014monopose models look way better as an army marching in formation instead of the characterhammer kung fu poses
>>9831253520mm, like the rest of the army. I made spaced movement trays for TOW.
>>98313050That phraseology is racist against skeletons, and I strongly identify with my inner skeleton, because I am thin.
