I cannot think of a single positive portrayal of a Knights Templar-esque organization in tabletop games.
>>98309519kWell, keep us updated on your important search.
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>>98309553They're only considered "good" because they're the only ones who want humanity to continue existing. Other than that, they would be considered humanity's greatest enemy instead.
>>98309610>they're only considered good because they're pro-human>otherwise they would be anti-humanI guess? But I don't think that's the own that you seem to think it is.
>>98309519Not bringing anything to get some conversation going, no real info, no context.
>>98309616nice misread
>>98309519... ok?
>>98309610>the fantastical setting has specific context the positive portray is viewed through ...yes? That's how fiction works.
>>98309519Ok how you know?
>>98309798Those same fanatics don't see the average Joe like you as anything better than meat thrown to the raping grinder machine, so humanity on the whole can continue living for a little while more.
>>98309519Warcraft has both kinds of Crusaders, the Knights of the Silver Hand are your typical knights templar expy, while the Argent Dawn are quite literally hospitallers based out of a chapel in a plagued land they are trying to heal.
>>98309905Good thing they're not real and I can accept them as being portrayed positively in a fictional grim dark future. Are you going to be a werido who can't separate irl from fictional portrayal and needs to push some sort of political thing?
>>98309519Not surprising, the Templars were usurious bankers after all, how many people have a positive opinion of bankers?
>>98309519The grail knights
>>98309963I didn't say you can't enjoy them, but to say they're "good", because they're morally "good" is silly.
>>98309519Old man, that helmet has been out of style for 100 years.
>>98310399Positive =/= morally good. You started that retardation back here >>98309610You are going to do this weird bullshit thing where you can't separate 40k from real life politics huh?
>>98309519In My setting, servants of Iomedae often work as city guards and are generally altruistic and kind, and defend their cities from threats like orcs, goblins, and the occasional attacking vikings. The temples are often multi-purpose, having spaces that serve as "charity houses" (performing the functions of a soup kitchen and giving spare clothes, baths, and haircuts to the needy), guard barracks, and even temporary jails until prisoners can be escorted to their trials and/or proper prisons.
>>98309519If this is a problem, fuck off and make a positive portrayal yourself.If this isn't a problem, then fuck off and do something else.Retard.
>>98309519ok?so?
>>98309519How about your games? What happened in your last session to warrant such a thread?
>>98309519Crazy how the Templars got slandered into oblivion while the Hospitaliers maintain a positive reputation to this very day.
>>98309944>>98310357I was going to agree with OP, but the silver hand is a pretty good expy. Too bad the scarlet crusade got retarded in the lore. Could've been a neat grey faction but lmao demondraculaGrail knights are Arthurian, though.
>>98311277Because the Templars disbanded while the Hospitaliers still exist to contest any portrayals of themselves and technically form the Vatican's standing army. More curious to me is that the Hospitaliers have managed to garner a better reputation than the Red Cross in spite of being less adventurous.
>>98311608The red cross can act worldwide, the Hospitallers are limited to Christians in the middle east
>>98311608You mean the modern red cross? The one that pays their doctors peanuts but their lawyers a fortune to send C&Ds to video game devs?
>>98311608The Teutonic Knights also got their way.
>>98309519The various religious knightly orders in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying are at least depicted as good by "default." I don't think any of them show up significantly in the not-very-good published adventures 2e had, which is where my experience with the system lay.
>>98309519I can't believe the Vikings committed more atrocities yet are more beloved.
>>98309637by you.
>>98312265Vikings didn't hide behind a veneer of secret societies. >>98309519Secret societies usually stay secret because they know nobody would approve their horseshit if it was out in the open. Looking at you, masons and Greek letter college gangs.
>>98309519having a land-owning bank posing as a armed religious order to protect pilgrims is pretty weird worldbuilding when you think about it
>>98309519Good.
>>98309519thats because Christianity is.... le bad. >>98312265You just answered your own question.
>>98312922>You just answered your own question.What question?
>>98309519Sorry to hear you only play DND.
>>98312265Vikings didn't kill jews and moslems. They did sell them White slaves though.
>>98309519Because they were crypto-jew usurers that were trying to undermine monarchies, which were divinely ordained by God. No surprise that the snake William Marshall was a secret member of their blasphemous order. They got what they deserved.
>>98312397>Vikings didn't hide behind a veneer of secret societies.>anon: "let's vote for this guy">"but he's a monster!">anon: "yeah, but he's honest about it and I respect that"
Paladin and Clerics in knightly holy orders?
>>98309519Redditors memed the crusades as some stupid bible thumper "war for no reason" because they were too stupid to understand what centuries of Islamic conquest had done. Weirdly, they love that pop factoid about Dracula being based on Vlad the impaler. Who did he impale and why? Doesn't matter.
>>98310523>>98315104Fucking kill yourself, puckee.
>>98309519In Shadowrun there were several books about conspiracy theories.One of the theories in the first or second book was on the Catholic Church reviving the Knights Templar to deal not only with the new jihad coming out of the middle east, but also various supernatural threats. At first it was believed they were going to want to crusade all nonbelievers but the write up makes it clear they're actually trying to protect the world from the forces of what they think is Satan, actually it's another evil force but still.They can, but rarely do, summon angels, and most of them are Magician Adepts, which at the time of their printing, were a type of Adept so rare you needed your GM's permission to roll one, because they were both superhuman and capable of casting spells, making it clear the Templars were closer to D&D style paladins.IIRC a late third edition book listed them as a faction player characters can be associated with.
>>98315195Who is Puckee?
>>98315461Huh?
>>98315476Who is Puckee? He's not (Me), I know that, so who is he?
>>98309610>hey're only considered "good" because they're the only ones who want humanity to continue existing.o... okay
>>98315587Huh?
>>98314036I really enjoy that this is still skub for at least one person centuries later. Thanks anom.
>>98315104>puckee aka redditor pucke℮21 spamming his commission againhttps://www.reddit.com/r/DnD/comments/17saywb/commart_knightbrother_emmerich_paladin_by_pedro/https://desuarchive.org/_/search/image/dvXb01E_8-EcWGWcqB5Hyw/>37 times since November 2023
>>98309519Jedi?Templar's disbanding "vox in excelso" on false pretense works as a parallel to Order 66.
>ai slop opYa'll can't help but fall for it.
>>98309519I dunno what to say. Sucks to be you I guess.
>>98311307>>98309519Warhammer Fantasy Empire Knitley orders are generally presented as a positive influence on the empire
>>98315615I don't know who Puckee is and that's not a name I use on any sites so I don't get why you're saying I'm him and I'm curious to know who he is since he apparently gets you so angry.
>>98315250For all of its flaws of trying to adapt a modernish setting to D20 mechanics, I always liked the way Masque of the Red Death depicted Christian priests as functioning fundamentally differently from your typical fantasy cleric: instead of explicitly casting spells and miracles most of the time, their piety gives them progressively more "best of" dice rolls and rerolls to approximate plot armor or whatever sense of divine casualty allows your unremarkable normie to do extraordinary things.
>>98309519Thats because all of the things that would make an organization recognizable as being based on the Knights Templar also makes them clear the bad guys. They were a bunch of thugs that claimed to be working for holy purpose but also frequently didnt give a single fuck about who they were raiding and pillaging so long as they got to raid and pillage SOMEBODY, because stealing people's shit was the goal and the religious narrative for it was a thin excuse. They're just vikings with a christian aesthetic and better armor. Its like asking "Man, why does everybody always focus on the BAD parts of the spanish inquisition?"
>>98318326>They're just vikings with a christian aesthetic and better armor.*ahem*
>>98318343You fucking heard me.
>>98318326>"Man, why does everybody always focus on the BAD parts of the spanish inquisition?"Its because Monty Python made a meme out of it. The inquisition would be warranted today and was just as necessary back then.>>98318343Swearing does not support your arguments. You are an ignorant fool if you think that the crusader orders did not do the world a massive if thankless favour.
>>98314036>he's still drinking the kool-aid
>>98310523she's beautiful
>>98309977About as many who have a positive opinion on welchers. Now pay your debts, King Phillip.
>>98309519Why did he do it?
>>98309519I can.
>>98318900Who?
Heirs to Heresy: The Fall of the Knights Templar lets you play members of the 30 or so knights templar who escaped the initial round up.You're basically knights errant if you play it straight, but can opt for the secret shitbag route as well depending on the tone you want to go for.
>>98318927Neo Catholics backed by the most advanced military in the human sphere.
>>98309553>Wear a cross and inspired by the knights Templar>Have no idea who Jesus Christ is and worship their warmongering autocrat who killed many Christians in his early days.>Portrayed as these crazy religious nutjobs but really just believe what every other dumb fuck imperial believes to a slightly greater extent >Not even original in their emperor worship>Not even original in geneseedThe larp chapter
>>98309519Cuz they werent irl? That's just stupid mutt fantasy
>>98314016They killed or enslaved anyone they could easily benefitted from doing so
Imperial Knights
>>98318270He spams /tg/ with stupid threads and AI slop, which causes the schizos here to jump at shadows whenever a non-general thread is created.
>>98311608Eh templars are kinda still around in certain circles, they even still have swords. IYKYK
>>98318749Usury is a sin, to take money from a sinner's purse is a righteous act.
>>98318270Lurk moar "newfag" (puckee)
>>98319835Puckee is a saint that keeps us from becoming like /po/
>>98315046Nobody says vikings are more morally good, they say they like vikings better as an archetype because they're at least honest about their intentions
