Always Outnumbered Never Outgunned Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/downloads/warhammer-the-old-world/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>98306789>Thread Question:What do you think of the Battle March game mode? (magic items, Chaos of War, weather events, box composition etc ). Do you plan on starting a new army with the Battle March mode?
>>98312409I think it depends. I actually prefer the Bretonnian dirty peasant plastics to the metals by quite a bit. The 5e Bret metals are too generic for the most part imo. Except the damsels, those 5th edition damsels are my fave for their simplicity.If you're talking about superior metals then stuff like the older night goblins comes to mind. But the absolute metal GOAT for WFB is the pre 6th edition Dwarf metals. Absolutely love them and their cartoony charm. I love the Imperial Dwarfs for the same reason.
Can you use armies of infamy with battle march?
>>98312413>Chaos of War, weather eventsThese elements sound really cool.>>98312431>Bretonnian dirty peasant plasticsThese are stellar for Mousillon (the crumbling plague-and-war-ravaged 'Bretonnian Mordheim') and abysmal for literally any other Bretonnian province. They were shat out in 6e and stunk so badly that Bretonnia was left to die thereafter.>5e Bret metals are too genericThe knights are fucking outstanding and the HYW soldiers look like HYW soldiers. I don't think you know the range very well if you think this, go look at the 5e Questing Knights, Grail Knights, Repanse de Lyonesse, Tristan le Troubadour, etc.
I like metal minis, but literally the only advantage metal has over plastic is how the weight feels in your hand. In all other respects plastic is a better material.
>>98312486Metals are a trifle to strip, literally just slam them in a glass of acetone. They're also much more durable and can be easily bent back into place unless some little faggot snaps something off intentionally.
>>98312463Yeah, I haven't seen any rules that prohibit AoIs for Battle March it's just all the pre-created muster lists are the generic army lists.
I don't care what my model is made of as long as it's not r*sin
>>98312538Big time agree
>>98312538
>A YouTuber goes through and compares the new rulebook to the old one>All Dryad art has been removedInteresting choice by SDShttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqxANTL8MoQ
>>98312538>>98312552
I demand WARHAMMER SIEGEI demand WARHAMMER FORTRESSI WILL NOT BE DENIED
>>98312662Join the cult of Hastings
>>98312662Based on ebay prices:>Warhammer Fortress: $300+ for a single four tower box fort, of which most people bought multiple>siege towers: $150+ each>ram: $100>"attacker" pack: $70>"defender" pack: $70>other accessories like mantlets, loopholes: $50Yeah... don't really feel like paying the price of a 40gay army for a game mode/terrain pieces. Nu-GW prices would be similarly gay and inflated, but not quite so bad, probably like 50-60% of current ebay rates. This is a reprint that's sorely needed.
>>98312787I'm not sure the prices would be much better if GW makes offical siege stuff in the future
>>98312413Has anyone here bought the new Norscan mounted and foot marauders? Wondering if the kits have any extra heads
>>98312787>50-60% of current ebay ratesBretonnia MTO wasn't so lucky, but I'd expect more demand for the fortress.>>98312820You think they'd make a new model? I think they'd either re-release it or MTO it.
>>98312833I think they would redo the Warhammer Fortress so it's cheaper to make on their end, and a lot of the older Siege stuff, like the Ram, is metal, so if given the option, GW would replace those with plastic as well
Metal is harder to avoid GW with and have a consistent army feel.A cnc machine is more expensive than a 3d printer.
>>98312831not bought it, but a friend of mine did, and he was left with a lot of extra weapon bits and heads by the end of it
>>98312890>cnc machineYou called?
>>98312882>inb4 the walls are strictly pragg themed and the siege equipment is strictly chaos themed
>>98312946The games timeline is still like 20+ years away from that siege even happening
leather bracers?>on the tablelukewarm fanta?>unopeneddaylight candle?>litplastic chalice?>ready to be filledAomnhnoh?>open in handbabushka's patio?>occupiedYeah, I think it's black library time
>>98312978Until it isn't
>>98312978you'll see an immediate jump to it as soon as kislev is out
>>98313037Kislev references were all scrapped from the new book.
>>98312890What the fuck does a CNC machine have to do with metal models?
>>98312984God I wish I hadn’t chickened out of being Goth as a teen
>>98313107no there not. They still have the two pages like the original Core rulebook. GW just changed the surname of the Tsarina family name
>>98313116CNC machines that can make things out of metal are more expensive than 3d printers (which are technically CNC machines in and of themselves)
>>98312984>HMM III>Age of Empires II>Warhammer Fantasy>Star Wars EU>AD&D>recasts and knock-off TCG cards are ubiquitous, cheap, and easy to find>has every classic vidya downloaded, has paid for none of itThe russki may be subhuman in intellect and morality, but he is truly supreme in his hobbying.
>>98313131I don’t give a fuck if they remove all references to Russia. I just want Kislev with some Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth flavor and some Ukrainian Cossacks/Ungols. Damn Putin thrice for causing the delay of Kislev I will never forgive him or the Russian people .
>>98312662What model is that big four legged dude with the hammer in the back, looks awesome?
>>98313251I think it's a 3d print of Kholek Suneater from TWW
>>98313251that is kholek suneater
>>98313258>>98313261Thank you based anons
>>98313125Never too late, anon. I'm 29 and I broke and bought a pair of New Rocks a couple months ago. Just be okay with being a cringe faggot. "Yeah I'm just gonna dress like Danzig". People are still nice to you. You can talk to people in line at the gas station and stuff, it's fine. Be sociable and people will be sociable back. Normies are more tolerant of loud styles than you realize. (Especially black guys. I have black guys in the street tell me they like my outfit at least every couple weeks. How about that.)
>>98313181You literally described 97,5% of Europe east to Oder river. You can have all those things without being an orc.
>>98313288>(Especially black guys. I have black guys in the street tell me they like my outfit at least every couple weeks. How about that.)Every time I have been complemented by a stranger on an outfit it's been a black girl, make of that what you will
>>98313288>"Yeah I'm just gonna dress like Danzig".
>>98313300>can't have humanity without being an orc
>>98312609There is no dryad art or photos of models in any ToW publication since they are still AoS models.
>>98312413There are a lot of armies I don't necessarily want a full army of or have time for so it's tempting. Always found Orcs and Goblins endearing but don't want paint 200 of them for instance. Similarly, the Bretonnians have such bright colors and so many horses etc that it would take me forever to assemble a 2K army of them. >>98313181I miss my recaster bro. He's apparently not able to ship to the USA anymore. He was only of the only companies to send out a Merry Christmas email last year. My sister's Russian roommate was pretty cool too, had a lot of great stories like being a kid and seeing the mob dump bodies in the lake behind her apartment in the 90's. And yeah, Russia as a whole seems like they have a really great friendly gaming scene with lots of pirate books and good taste. There was a pretty great set of pictures from a Russian WHFB tourney posted on Reddit but the pro-Ukraine onions faggots bombarded the thread.
>>98313452How anal.
How do I get a job as a "cultural sensitivity consultant" when GW creates Ind?
>>98313546if you are an obese woman you might have a decent chance
>>98312501>Harder to damage but almost impossible to repairis not a selling point dumbass.
>>98313369After another look, it seems clear to me that yes, Kairos showed before 'Blood of Aenarion'; both in 40k and Fantasy, he was introduced in 2008, for the 4th edition Codex & 7th edition Armybook.
>>98313155What do you think gets CNCed in the production process for metal models?
>>98313288I want to try anon, I really do. But the cringe is strong in me now
>>98313181>HMM IIIInstalled on every PC I ever had since 2000 but switched to Olden Era recently, it's fun.>Age of Empires IIDitto.>Warhammer FantasyStarted with 5, loved 6 (armybooks) and 7 (rules) the most.>Star Wars EUDarth Bane trilogy literally behind my back on a bookshelf.>AD&DI was never a huge fan of RPGs in general so don't care.>recasts and knock-off TCG cards are ubiquitous, cheap, and easy to findHad these as well, now I don't care because I can print myself both card proxies and minis.>has every classic vidya downloaded, has paid for none of itI only bought the games I loved from the very first sight or pirated and grew to love overtime.I had all of these without living in a literal spawning pool of AIDS elementals, communist demons and godless beasts with 73% divorce rate.
>>98313463>James baits general monke to go full retard in order to kill off the recaster marketSurprisingly based
>>98313643Russia, Ukraine and several Balkan nations can draft you and have on going wars
>>98312413>TQ Looks great to be honest. I'd like to try it where you restrict things to just the magic items to the mode. Can't wait to play.
Do we have any night gobbo OC fanart?
>>98313841
I've been listening to some podcasts from different store owners talking about the new Battle March stuff and the interesting thing that keeps coming up is "Why did GW never realise the Warriors of Chaos ARE the Space Marines of fantasy going back to Heroquest".Thinking on it even though i would go on to be a Beastmen enjoyer it was this image that sold me WHFB as "what if the shit you know in 40k was swords and sorcery" and its wierd to think how they dont capitalise on it much but kept trying with stormcast that simply didnt work.
>>98313463>Burger shills for russia againYou gotta hand it to Vlad he ran an absolute masterclass in meme warfare to pull this shit off.
So would this core set be good for a new guy to the hobby or nah?Are Chaos and Cathay minis bad to paint for beginners?
>>98313872they are the OG infosec homies after all
>>98312413>60+ posts>One wfg model & its for antsPost some models you losers- I got a classic Beastmaster I'm working on with some greenstuff to get rid of that ugly gap in the Manticore mane
>>98313860fantasy doesn't sell as much as 40k and chaos marines don't sell as much as loyalist marinesfor chaos warriors to be like space marines they would have to be made good guys and blank boring canvases, so they would stop being chaos warriors
>>98313910Yeah, it'd be a great start. Everything you need in there (though measuring tape beats the measuring stick they give by a country mile).Chaos will be easier to paint than Cathay, but neither is too difficult overall.
>>98313872>>98313912Russian propaganda for foreign consumption is really poor and out of touch and russians will admit it themselves. It's just that the pro-Ukraine NAFO crowd are so insufferable that a lot of too online people pivoted against them.It's also easy to exoticize Russia and project your hopes and dreams upon it if you don't share a border with it.
>>98313925Good to hear, will get it doen the line and check where to go to aquire it, since GW doesn't ship to my comfy slav shire
>>98313942isn't the whole woke thing a russian psyop, too?
>>98313783and in western europe the government tells you that a somalian is just as native as you are but still expects the civic duty of an 1800s prussian
>>98313955 >psyopmost misused buzzword of all time in politicalslop discussion
Warhammer fantasy?
>>98313998Are slaanesh cults funded by kislev?
>>98313998>>98314014
Something which always bugged me was how Crom, an average Chaos Lord, fought Grimgor Ironhide to a stalemate. Was Crom just that good or is Grimgor overrated as a fighter?
>>98314063crom was counted among the best fighters
>>98314063Crom is just built different. He was never the everchosen because he would have mollywopped the chaos gods with their blessings
>new rulebook changed Tsarina to Khan-Queeneww
>>98314108the fuck
>>98314108>Khan-Queen
>>98314108
Wasn’t the Khan-Queen always early Kislev lore? Also I’d like proof of the claim as well. I’ve only seen that Romanoff was changed to Bokha
>>98314149Khan-Queen IS an old name in the lore, sort of a secondary title under Tsar (like how the King of INGERLAND has 10,000 titles)
>>98314108>Kuck-Queen
>>98314156Yeah, that’s what I remembered. Looks like the samefag has outed himself a retard
can't wait to see black katarin
>>98314156the only evidence I can is that the blurb in the corner that was formerly credited to Tzarina Mishenka of Kislev in the original version of the core rulebook is now Khan-Queen Mishenka of Kislev
>>98314063crom wasn't average at all
>>98312905That's just a NC machine.
>>98314149This video has two reading guys the differences in book, and they cover the Kilev section at around the 14:00 markhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iVO8Fb72VEI&t=6170s
>>98314167Just because it's not new lore doesn't make them making it the primary title not retarded.Sisters of Sigmar isn't new lore but if half of the Empire's soldiers became women it would also be retarded.
>>98314193This gives me hope. But basically all the new releases of the last year have given me hope they won’t fuck up Kislev like CA did
>>98313980What does any of this have to do with where geographically nations with drafts and active wars are. There are polically western nations in the bulkans.I don't know what political contest you are in but can you do it without saying there are no nations that can draft you into a war, at a moments notice, in Europe.I didn't even read the rest of the polical slop, I just know where Russia and Ukraine are and saw somebody either deny that fact or deny the fact they were at war.If somebody you agree with said "The sky is green" and I said "That is the only color the sky isn't" would you assume I am your political opposition?
>Americans derail a warhammer thread over geopolitics
Post models
So is Kislev actually happening soon or would TK and WE happen first?Also a dumb idea I had, but it would be cool to see all 3 duking it out against each other due to their contrasting identities. TK are sandy and everlasting heat, WE are green and full of life and Kislev are vigorous and frigid.
I JUST SAID UKRAINE IS IN THE CONTINENT OF EUROPE AND AT WAR!I DIDN'T MEAN IT AS POLITICAL COMMENTARYI COULDN'T HAVE EXPECTED TO BE ASKED QUESTIONS ABOUT FRANCE'S IMAGRATION POLICY.I DON'T KNOW HOW THE TWO THINGS ARE RELATED!!! I THOUGHT IT WAS A BASIC SET OF FACTS I COULD SAY WITHOUT CONTROVERSY!
>>98314289TK/WE 100% coming first
>>98314301The bestmen were right society is bad. On the one hand, we must care about politics because it decides the fates of our lives. On the other hand, humans, generally, have proven unable to care sufficiently about politics without being entirely consumed by it.We must revert to anarchy.
>>98314278My two Bosses
>>98314354WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
>>98314339I hope we get MTO Kislev minis at least soonish. I'd rather pay GW prices over those Ebay prices for them.
>>98314289I highly doubt Kislev will be released this year.Maybe a January announcement to coincide with the 3 year anniversary / potential 2.0 rules
>>98314278Trying out blue skin.
>>98314063because minor chaos characters always get gigawanked above the big figures of other factions in fantasy, kinda like glup shitto marines defeat gods in 40k
I like cathay :)
>>98314395the true main characters of the old world
>>98314357WAAAAAAAGGGGGHHHHH
>>98314395I wish I knew someone like you IRL so I could easily offload their half of the box
>>98314395I like Miao
>>98314402yeah, Im sharing the box with a friend, even though I only really need the jade warriors. but a single box of jade warrior is almost as expensive than half the core box, so I take the rest as well. maybe for bigger games one day in the future.>>98314403she is also fun to play on the tabletop. very unique.
>>98314395 lame noblebright safe global market appeal fanfic faction
>>98314376Dude, thin your paints, use a shade and drybrush. I don't think you're at the point of highlighting yet.
>>98314438sounds based, especially if it makes grogs and empire players seethe.
>>98314438Is Cathy Noblebright, don't they have the Chinese intentionally generwted illiteracy thing happening?
>>98314398That's why the chaos culture they primarily fight don't have any rules.
>>98314442people post this type of fake bait opinion about every slop product on 4chan but it never translates into revenue which is why gw has to prioritize selling to whales
>>98314289TK/WE coming first absolutely. Kislev probably won’t come out until 2nd edition
>>98314376I like it
>>98314398>Miao Ying replaced generic boring empire stuff on the rule book coveryou are correct
>>98314438NTA but I like Cathay aesthetically a lot. Especially the Crane Guns. Also the background worldbuilding art makes Cathay look very cool
>>98314399Kino, love the banner
>>98314556for nowit's unlikely for this 1.5 edition to last more than 2 years and by then something else will be in the starter, and that something else will be on the cover
>>98314586>that something else will be on the coveryeah, propably zhao ming or yuan bo
>>98314586GW seems to be on a 3 year timespan for editions now across games, so early next year seems like a safe bet for 2e
Cathay sold well. Will we ever get a Middle-East faction?
>>98314595is Araby even still a state when Old World takes place
>>98314278Some of the characters and champions that lead my warband.
>>98314595no, kislev is already on ice due to modern geopolitics, let alone muslims
>>98314606I hate GW's decision making
>>98314641...and the ice is bound to be thinner thanks to the heat closer to the equator. If the ice is thin in Russia, by the time you get to Saudi Arabia the ice is probably water.
>>98314664retard
>>98314627Chaos anon! Have you killed any cathayans recently?
>>98314593that gives the new core set maybe six months. After the heresy debacle I could see them reigning in more rules/edition changes, even 11th 40k was a minimal departure.
>>98314593>>98314786Yeah I think GW learned from the HH 3.0 disaster and were still a few years away from 2.0 as a result
>>98314786>>983148143.0 disaster? Did it not sell well or something?
is the volley gun or rocket battery better for empire? do i want a few of both? i want to run an artillery heavy empire list
>>98314841HH doesn't sell if the models can't be used in 40k, it's that simple.Nobody actually gets HH for HH.
>>98314865and also should i get cannons/mortars and which unit is better? was leaning towards building a bunch of mortars
>>98314841basically they claimed it would be a fan edition keeping the game the same but cleaned up and then it became clear it was an SGS pet project for experimental rules for an expendable IP (hence they tested female custodes for heresy first) right before launch and the edition flopped before it even launched.
>>98314759No, and I'm not likely to be getting any games in against any foes for a while. Probably 2 years, unless my new university has a wargaming club with members graced with good taste. The joys of moving to a different country to pursue even higher education, I suppose.
>>98314278
I know this is a long shot with you lazy faggots, but would this general be interested in a monthly, or perhaps quarterly, painting challenge?? pic unrelated
>>98314354They could use a wash or twoAlso green teeth
>>98314664You don't have to be a slave to GWs awful fluff
>>98314983That implies people have models, Anon.
>>98314865Volley Gun is excellent. Rocket Batteries aren’t very good. You can easily run 2 Volley Guns in a gun line and have them be worthwhile. >>98314880Cannons are much better than mortars. The problem with mortars is the low strength. You have other range that can deal with low toughness low armor units. The cannons role is to target very high toughness targets and/or heavy armor. Neither of which the mortars are effective against
>>98314983Perchance, What kind of challenge do you have in mind anon?
>>98314278Posted
>>98314841It flopped hard. The edition was so poorly received and tone deaf to the existing playerbase's wants and preferences that they basically lost a massive swathe of their consumerbase. HH 3.0 is only played by a niche group of new players that got in with 3.0, and is almost entirely funded now by 40kfags buying the models to use for 40k instead of HH. The starter set is on some "selling fast" shit now and can easily be acquired for 50% off on eBay
>>98314108Got to STRIP all that nasty Russian shit OUT so they can release it
>>98314911The university might not but I’m sure if you’re in a city there’s a wargaming group you can reach out to?
>>98315147Oh shit, you did the Kintsugi suggestion! Looks fucking great.
>>98315181Chill out, Vlad
>>98314983Why would I do that with you fucking losers when I am a member of multiple WHFB discords that already do that.I just come here for leaks and to shit post
>>98314876>>98315159>>98314882HH is hard to tell via online discourse due to so many grogs from years ago not having a large online presence. Yea the beginning flopped hard but where it’s at now is hard to say.
>>98315082thanks for the advice mate, ill keep it in mind when i expand my empire forces. definitely want some rocket batteries because i think they look cool so will probably just get two boxes and build each option, or kitbash them or something. are pistoliers good? wondering if i should get mounted units too
>>98314983Yes. I'll participate, but it should have some kind of theme or gimmick to keep it interesting.
>>98315187Thanks, sorry the picture sucks
>>98315170Allegedly they are removing the bear references, not sure if that's the Russian shit you're talking about.
tfw card building removed. oh well.. le sigh..
>>98315294Pistoliers are not very good due to impetuous. Outriders are very good and road wardens are good too
>>98314627ALVIS THE BLINDBAROOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Vermintide 1 is pretty epic
>>98315602Alvis is not in that picture because he's still suffering in the Realm of Chaos for his failures.Strike his name from the annals of history. Any sorcerer who fails to cast a single spell for four games in a row deserves spawndom.
>>98315635>deserves spawndomWell now I want to see him SPAWNED.com
>>98314376Looks like craft paints
>>98315506ah thanks yeah will definitely build them as outriders. cheers for answering an empire newfags question
>tired after work>force myself to paint anyways>it’s dogshit and I’ll have to paint over it tomorrowFUCK
>>98315506Will they have the same rules in the new edition though?
>>98315922>paint over itno, you have to strip it too
>>98313841I have a night gobbo OC screenshot.
>>98314278Managed to finish the unit of Lumpin Croop & pals
>>98316102>>98314278Backview. Not too happy with the dartboard shield
>>98316102>>98314278The whole gang of twelve. Should add some nice skirmishing to get rid of light cav and hounds (and similar units)
>>98312662Fuck yeah I just love playing on terrain with zero maneuvarability and the outcome is purely decided by who has the better numbers>What do you think of the Battle March game mode? It's pretty fun and a good way to learn a new army you're working on. I also like the low power style of armies. Kinda makes me want to play a 2K game with no lord level heroes
>new Ogre model is a girlI suppose that’s why the Gut Plates are so big now. I wonder if that means the Leadbelchers are getting refreshed too. Man I should have got some old ones when I could lmao.
>>98316102>>98316103>>98316105Nice one Anon, I hope they fare well in their adventures.
>>98316213have you not noticed? like half the new ogre models are women. go back and look at all the new gluttons, ironguts, hunters, etc its almost a perfect 50/50
>>98316213A lot more of them are if you look closely. Making women as ugly as possible is their new strategy to sneak them in.
>>98316473>ogre's should be pretty
>>98316503They shouldn't be there at all. It appeals to no one like female dwarves.
>>98315282GW are already well into playtesting a new edition so I suspect it isn't doing well, and the biggest faction launch of the edition with custodes was a total flop as well. 3.0 really is the nightmare scenario that we should dearly hope doesn't happen to TOW, all it takes is some egotist designer (could be Andy Hall) to make TOW a pet project and just shit on the core mechanics and the game is dead without even the 40k compatibility to keep it on life support. They are already designing kits with zero modularity so we are already looking at the next edition cutting options, probably bringing in a similar force org with a forced detachment and slots and going hard on objective play.
>>98316523They appeal to based people
>>98314278Working on my Empire very slowly. These guys are so slow to paint after doing a quick beastman army.
>>98316534mechanics dont kill games. something like 70% of GWs customer base gets in like 1 or 2 games a year or less, a large portion dont even play at all they just collect.what kills games is negligence of the model line and unattractive sculpts, and old world, like warhammer fantasy before it, has all of those in spades. they greatly overestimated how much some grogs and a vocal minority of TWW secondaries will actually spend for incredibly dated and boring kits. if they want ToW to succeed long term, they need to give the treatment chaos are getting right now to everyone else PRONTO, cant afford to release kits 1 or 2 a year leaning on decades old sculpts that looked boring when they were new, the game will just die all over againi think high elf spearmean are a great example of whats wrong with the launch. they're just boring and the sculpt quality is obviously very below standard for whats acceptable these days. nobodies going to look at this kit and want to get into the game. and the old WHFB are absolutely full of these stale outdated wet farts of a kit.
>>98316571>what kills games is negligence of the model line and unattractive sculptsI'm inclined to agree. If you build it, they will come.
>>98316571High elf spearmen are actually fun to work with as opposed to modern 3d puzzle monopose bullshit.
>>983165718th edition single handedly killed fantasy anon despite having probably the most comprehensive kit refreshes since 6th. Rules absolutely kill games especially when there is a ton of competition. Models also are even more secondary because of 3d prints now.
>>98316571Agreed. I dont think there is a single person who has gotten into Warhammer because the rules are very well written, very easy to play and balanced. People are primarily drawn to cool looking models.
>>98314278King I finished recently
Aside from the Tigers,what do you think GW will add to Cathay in TOW from WH3?https://totalwarwarhammer.fandom.com/wiki/Grand_Cathay_unit_roster
>>98316624Jade Warriors with crossbow are long overdue.
>>98316603>comprehensive kit refreshes>maybe 5% of the total rangethat was exactly the problem. even when they went all out they still left the bulk of the game stuck in 2002, so you had this awful juxtaposition of a few really good looking kits, but then scores of awful ones. they had probably a decade to course correct and chose to drag their heels, and by the time the 8th edition better quality kits were coming around the writing was already on the wall with the end times coming behind the scenes. 3d printing is also still pretty niche. its not as rare as it was 5 years ago but its still not something someone who has no prior exposure to the hobby is going to know how to or want to do as their first entry point >>98316595a prospective new player isnt going to care about the ease of rotating a flat joint arm or a balljoint head. they're going to care about how the shit looks on the box and the minis in this pic >>98316571, looking as bad as they do, are front and center on the GW webstore promotional material. its not that fantasy cant put out good models, when they actually try and have even remotely updated kits they look great, but GW just wont allocate the resources to actually breathe life into the model ranges like they need to, which is a big part of what killed the game before coasting on moulds made before the towers fell
>>98316624zhao ming, the war compass/war drum, and the lion statue
>>98316636late 7th to 8th saw refreshes for at least 45% of kits, enough so that you could only use new kits if you wanted for most factions. The reason 8th tanked the game (and 7th) is that it became an infantry heavy edition and no one wanted to paint blocks of 50 troops minimum. It couldn't bring new blood in or sustain a playerbase and once a game loses active players it dies regardless of anything same as warmachine or anything else. AoS is finding that out since despite having a fantastic fresh miniature range with a ton of effort put in to every faction, the edition is bad to play and the playerbase has dropped off sharply. Rules matter anon models have always been secondary.
>>98316624im hoping for the animated lion statues. also would be nice to get a more elite longma cavalry squad for the shugengan lord to lead, kinda like brettonias pegasus knights, a 3 man unit.
>>98316655you are completely wrong, but it also seems your mind is made up so im not gonna argue the point further
Forget post models.Post rules.
>>98316655>late 7th to 8th saw refreshes for at least 45% of kits, enough so that you could only use new kits if you wanted for most factionsgood luck making a dwarf army without their old core, or a high elf army without theirs, or a tomb king army without their old skeletons, or chaos warriors army without 6th ed troops, or a bretonnian army with 7th or 8th ed kits, or a dark elf army without their 6th ed troops (until a few months before the end times I guess)so unless by "most armies", you mean specifically and exclusively beastmen, skaven and savage orcs, then no, fantasy armies were stuck with unappealing basic infantry models AND rules that forced the use of large quantities of said unappealing basic infantry models
>>98316667sure though TOW itself proves you wrong, it launched with 90% ancient models and succeeded because of rules and its ability to sustain a playerbase whereas heresy with all new models in its third ed launch has flopped purely because of rules. I'd change my mind if you could provide an example of good models alone sustaining a system.
>>98316711>and succeeded because of rules no, it succeeded because the market was so starved of the oop models that even old models were a breath of fresh hair, and people grew bored with them again QUICKLY. the greatest disappointment of the old world is tomb kings launching with their old skeletons and the greatest success of the old world is cathay, and people are clamouring for updates or flocking to the flashy new warriors and dragon, or at worst satisfying their old school minis collecting habits by buying MTO stuff, they are certainly not gorging themselves on the fabulous high elf spearmen or handsome skeleton warriors.TOW is a success DESPITE the rules and old models, not because of them.it helps that the rules are at least reminiscent of older editions, but the game isn't good.HH doesn't have the same nostalgia factor on his part, its models despite being new don't look new because they're trite marine shit done to death for decades, and its ruleset isn't particularly worse than tow's, if anything it works better, it's just that people don't give a shit about those rules, they just want models to play 40k and that's why custodes will be the only outstanding success there.
>>98316657lions would be cool but I would dislike the longma simply for the fact because they would fundamentally be broken with the current rules, just as the pegknights. But if you want the shugengan to lead them, they would need to be monstrous cavalry anyway, so maybe they couldnt just charge in any direction. in that case they would be okay.
>>98316736>people don't play TOW for the models or the rulesthen what the fuck do they play it for? Cathay wasn't even on the cards at the start of the edition, and would never have been if the game hadn't launched successfully with 90% old models. Stay delusional I guess it's clear you haven't touched grass with the hobby and are a total secondary.
>>98316768Fakegrogs in this general like to pretend the only edition they played(8th) cannot be surpassed, while in reality it was a giant turd.
>>98316782yep at this point anyone who dismisses 3D printing as being commonplace, thinks rules don't matter and only new product from GW keeps games alive can be outed as having nothing to do with the hobby itself for the past 5 years at least.
Hey anons that have 3D printed minis, could you post some of yours?Also post are they resin or plastic
>>98316768>>people don't play TOW for the models or the ruleswho are you quoting? because I certainly didn't make a blanket statement about models like that, at all.I'm talking about the UGLY old models, not all old models.Do you genuinely think the old skeleton warriors were why tow was successful?
>>98316768>>98316782>>98316798Stop projecting, by the way, I said nothing about printing, I have printed models no problems; I said nothing positive about 8th edition, if anything I said that tow was positively received specifically because it made a step back from that for older editions; and I didn't say that new models was the only way for a product to be successful, I pointed out that MTO runs are successes.I just pointed out that fantasy died because of its old ugly core units and the rules that enforced those old ugly core units, and that tow is successful despite its old ugly core units, but won't be for long it it keeps its old ugly core units.
>>98316620Fuck that looks good in the cold blue bone colour.Are your rank and flank skellies in a similar scheme? Can I see what that looks like when its just bones without the clothing and detail?
>>98316829Skeleton Warriors were some of my first models ever painted, my workflow changed a lot since then. Admittedly, I have neglected them since I had tons of models and other armies to work on. Now TOW getting new models made me put them on hold indefinitely. I do have relatively recent unit of archers that I did finish though.
>>98316523Why did God create female hippos, tarantulas and angler fish? Was that an error?
>>98316859for the BBW enjoyers
>>98316859>Why did God create>Was that an error?yes
>>98316812These are resin prints.
The Great Horned Rat and Hashut are wasted functioning as borderline racial gods.The chaos god of Ambition, Survival and Poison and the chaos god of Tyranny, Greed and Heat are wasted never having real human followers.
>>98316893The Horned Rat has Human cults like the Yellow Fang, they are just kind of rare compared to Tzeentch or Slaanesh cults.
>>98316893the Horned Rat is the God of Ruin isn't he? I think they aren't more major because their realms basically cross over with the major powers hence the devotion and power they can claim is the lesser share. Yes plague brings ruin to civilization but Nurgle is the first benefactor, sure you can indenture thousands of slaves but it was achieved through war which is Khorne's realm.
I'm not going to argue over whether rules or models killed the game. But I think >>98316603>8th edition single handedly killed fantasyIsn't really the whole truth. Let's say 2015 rolls around and instead of AoS, the end times sees the launch of 9th edition.9th edition feta rid of pre-measuring, random charges, step up mechanics, reintroduces guessing ranges, skirmishes are again just a blob on the table... Let's say 9th edition is just a revamped 6th edition.Do we really think the game would have REALLY fared much better? I mean before TOW released, 8th ed and other systems based around 8th ed were the most played versions out there, despite being the most hated online. Fuck, there's a non insignificant amount of deranged people still playing it now.I think the main problem is that rank and flank fantasy just isn't that popular. And player retention is nowhere near as profitable as player acquisition.I know for a fact that a new edition for me translated in only buying the book and maybe a new kit here and there models. Unlike say MTG, where rotation artificially kills the viability of your possessions; my dwarfs with crossbows are still dwarf with crossbows, regardless of the year they were sculpted and released. So far TOW has been successful because:1) there was a decade of pent up demand being released all at once.2) TWW really got people excited for games of mass fantasy battles bringing new players3) the GW that brought TOW is a completely different GW that brought us the end of the game.4) the scope of fantasy has been dramatically reduced, becoming a specialist game.There's also the fact that many people are incapable of playing something that isn't endorsed by a company. Imagine that tomorrow the CEO of GW goes crazy and Warhammer Fantasy is killed again. I think most people would just stop with the hobby (just like they did last time) instead of playing with something they say they like.
>>98316893They're not the god ambition, survival and poison, or the god of tyranny, greed and heat, they're the skaven god and the chaos dwarfs god.If you want a non-racial god of ambition, survival and poison or one of tyranny, greed and heat, then make them, but they shouldn't be the horned rat and hashut, because they're racial gods, and any human follower of them is going to be a double cuck.
>>98316974the point with 8th is really that it was the wrong turn to take with the rules at the wrong time, nothing else about the model releases at the time or the community should have made it less of a success than WFB had ever been. But you are right that WFB was actually a failure well before 8th edition especially in comparison to 40k, and it still wouldn't warrant a mainline franchise even with all the points you made in its favour. Still rules are king for wargames, EVEN 40k with all its appeal with lore and models still dropped off in 9th and 10th because of rules. TOWs rules aren't perfect but they scratch enough itches that people are happy to stick with it, 8th didn't.
There a good list of model alternatives for Brettonians? No real support from GW so fuck keeping models official. 3d prints are fine.Especially interested in damsel alternatives. All the 3d prints I've found are either full coomer or even uglier than modern sisters of battle.
>off topic historical spam samefag You aren’t clever
>>98316812I think I have over 300 printed minis. Proonting is life.
>>98316213I honestly really liked the new ogres until I realised that theyre weirdly hiding the ogre man titties in a way that looks really awkward and weird with the whole boob/gutplate combined thing
>>98316534Are you sure they are playtesting HH currently? How do you know this?
>>98317318>no real support from GW>bretonniaAnon... c'mon now.Fuck GW, don't get me wrong, but be serious.
>>98317439NTA bur havent they literally only had hero models released with the only fresh infantry/cavalry being those insanely bad foot knights?
>>98317447The new models were a mistake, but having rules from the current edition is more support than Bretonnia has had since 6th edition.
>>98317462I kinda feel like them just being playable isnt the bar that you gotta be able to pass to call it "support" unless you mean "life support"
>>98317318https://www.lostkingdomminiatures.com/en/47-kingdom-of-merciahttps://www.myminifactory.com/users/Highlandsminis?show=store&categories=905https://www.myminifactory.com/users/lubartminiatures/collection/kingdom-of-equitainehttps://www.myminifactory.com/users/Monstrous%20Encounters?show=store&page=1&query=breton&categories=901https://www.myminifactory.com/users/dragonslakeminiaturas?show=store&page=1&categories=3898https://www.myminifactory.com/users/TitanForgeMiniatures?show=store&page=1&query=Kingdom+of+Equitaine
>>98317447i think the new models were just unreleased old models weren't they?
>>98317462>The new models were a mistakeElisse Duchaard is literally the best model GW has produced in years, if not ever.BSB on pegasus is also great.
>no one talking about the new FAQits ogre.>mfw chaos warriors now get chaos armour 6+ and +1 attack on the charge>chosen also get +1 attack on the charge
>>98317519I agree in terms of design, I just wish she and her horse weren't 150% scale
>>98317543>bowshabti back to BS2Kill me.
>orc boyz furious charge Ayyyyyyyyyyy>>98317569Good, bowshabti were too powerful
>>98317608Mine never hit shit to begin with.
FAQ news for TOW>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wtwhpcco/warhammer-the-old-world-faq-designers-notes/
>>98317543Holy fuck 5 wounds and stomps for DPs!Amazing!Yay!
>Gors get Furious charge Did they really need a buff lmao
>Updated free Battle MArch rules on the websiteneat
>>98317638The justification by the TOW designers is it encourages aggressive play with infantry rather than defensive>One noteworthy change for a number of infantry units is the addition of Furious Charge. With the 1.5 update, infantry have become more defensive in their playstyle. For the most part this reflects well how such units fight – large blocks of infantry are less well suited to charging across the battlefield than cavalry or chariots, and those armed with long thrusting spears or halberds excel in defence. But there are some units that, by their nature, should be more aggressive.>To this end, units such as Chaos Warriors, Gors, Orc Boyz, Empire Greatswords, and Dwarf Slayers, to name but a few, have gained Furious Charge.
>>98317512>>98317519I think there was a couple of small unreleased models but most of them are new and I quite like them, Elisse is a great example. Just the idea to release foot knights when KotR are so fucking ancient (yet still charming) or even grail or questing knights is mental, though given how bad they turned out maybe its a good thing they didnt let that sculptor do any updates.
>>98317644The Battle March Companion is also uploaded as kinda surprisingly, well sans the Muster lists and the lore section found in the book.
>>98317649Good, this is a very good change.
>>98317626>To this end, units such as Chaos Warriors, Gors, Orc Boyz, Empire Greatswords, and Dwarf Slayers, to name but a few, have gained Furious Charge.God damn, my amazing foot knights aren't special anymore. They keep buffing infantry again and again and cav gets shittier every time though.
Imagine playing a game against the shithead that tried to argue this
Fanatics can be shot now like any other lone characters
Daemon princes no longer have 360* LoS.This vexes me.
>>98316736I think the issue isn’t necessarily old models, it’s that collectors of old models tend to go for the really old stuff. Personally I have found memories of Dwarves from my childhood, and was excited about TOW when it was announced, but soon realized that what I really wanted was a chance at those old metal minis without needing to go through the hassle of 3rd party sellers. They have, as far as my knowledge goes, have not sold those old Dwarf troops even as MTO’s, though the characters did have a run.
>>98316942Digganobz. Yellow Fang cultists are basically Digganobz. I have a distaste for the idea of racial chaos gods, generally, but 40k's Gork and Mork don't have meaningful adjectives attached to them. >>98316956I editorialized, choosing the adjectives I liked best from the many things The Horned Rat has been of. Ruinous power of ruin doesn't sound right to me.Them being minor gods shouldn't mean they have zero worshipers or shouldn't have rules, doubly so for Hashut who in fluff doesn't actually have any special connection to the Chorfs.>>98316988>Create an identical clone of the Great Horned Rat instead of using the Great Horned RatWhy?]
>>98317626>chaos dragons are on 100x150 boooooo!>demonic steeds have barding and counterchargeYES!also chaos warriors have chaos armor now? okay
>>98317743>chaos dragons are on 100x150wonder what that will mean for Galrauch
>>98317763Nothing, his base size wasnt changed. But my little dragon (50x50 base) will look a bit lost on a 100x150 base. Although I guess I could do a nice cool scenic thing for him if I ever get around to it/can be arsed, a real scenic base.
>BS2 ushabtiWell it was fun while it lasted, tourneyfags ruin another unit
>skin wolves changed base size to 50 x 50What a random change will they add 50x50 bases in those boxes now
>>98314975damn these are clean as fuck
>>98317799It means either they’re getting refreshed too or fuck you rebase your minis.
>>98317710>Why?because you said you want a non-racial god of ambition, survival and poisonmaking it not the great horned rat or associated with the skaven would already be more than enough to not make it a clone of the great horned rat, also because he's the god of the skaven way more than he is the god of ambition, survival and poison
Furious charge was handed to many elite infantry units now. I think that's a pretty good way for them to differentiate more offensive units from line regiments that are supposed to stand and take charges.
>>98317831refresh makes sense between how old that is and them being WoC
>>98315170I hate that this meme became real. that's so fucking retarded. it's a FICTIONAL country
>>98317837It's not just elite, it's what SDS view as aggressive infantry, so Gors and Free Company get it as well
daemon princes are now completely worthlessno more 360 los, no more hiding them near units of infantry to prevent them from being cannon'd to death, no more enchanting aura, all for what? an extra wound (irrelevant) and D3+1 stomps at AP-?this is unfortunate!
>>98317671>They keep buffing infantry again and again and cav gets shittier every time thoughgood
>Q: If a unit with the Press of Battle rule has not yet fought,models from the end of the first fighting rank will ‘close in’ asdescribed on page 150, into base contact with the enemy. Butcan models from the second fighting rank ‘step forward’ intobase contact and fight immediately?>A: Yes. As stated on page 150, models cannot fight during a phasein which they stepped forward into a fighting rank. However,models already in a fighting rank can step forward and close in asdescribed, maximising their number of Attacks.Huge buff for infantry with multiple attacks.
so who is gonna sell their army because of the changes?
>>98317883t.nogame AND foot peasant
>>98317885I'm not selling my army, the thought alone makes me physically ill and anyone who does such a thing is a fool, but my daemon prince is getting demoted to a mere chaos lord or a sorcerer lord for sure.
I was so fucking tired of this one guy constantly telling me the ungors not perfectly lined up next to each had to get -1 cause they blocked each other's sight giving the enemy partial cover.
Giants and ghorgons getting t7 is unusually good.
>>98317799>>98317831>>98317852I think this does suggest a refresh. There’s no other reason as it’s not like their base size was an issue or that they are even a particularly oppressive unit that needed a change
>>98317885>Dwarf copters nerfedMeh I didn't spam them like a faggot anyways>TK ushabti nerfedThat one stings but I didn't spam them like a faggot so it's not the end of the worldOverall I r8 it a 4/10 on the "it's so over" scale
>>98317782You fuckers take zero negative modifiers, BS2 is completely justified
>>98317893Im playing every two weeks though. cavalry is for cucks.
Viletide removed from game.
>>98317916We also don't take positive modifiers. What's your point?
>>98317910skin wolves are resin aren't they? Aren't they trying to get everything into plastic?
>>98317939How many positive modifiers exist in the game
Surely a 3ppm reduction makes Sephucral Stalkers playable, right?>>98317933Good
>>98317924Indeed it is, people who play cav are gimping themselves.
>>98317782>tourneyfags ruin another unitthey always do
>>98317941yeah they are resin
>>98317941Yes they are resin and yes they are not making anymore resin anything anymore
>>98317941Yes and yes, and with the norscan theme of the new range it might make sense if they prefer making skinwolves over, say, chaos ogres or a new spawn, even though chaos trolls would also fit fine for a norscan themed plastic update.But still there are arguably way more important things to do for such a range, or for other ranges, so I wouldn't count on them appearing anytime soon, if ever.
>>98317939There's no positive modifier you retard. Ranged units almost always fire at -2 by default for long range and light cover.
>Wardancer & Bladesinger: Change the Strength characteristic to ‘4’, then change the Wardancer Attacks characteristic to ‘2’ and the Bladesinger Attacks characteristic to ‘3’.I fucking love Wardancers so much, I'm really glad they got a buff even though they probably still going to get instagibbed before getting into combat
>>98317933The buff is very good for +1 casting value cost.
>>98317933Chat is this real?
>>98318020from the FaQ>Viletide: Change the spell’s Casting Value to ‘9+’ and change its effect as follows: ‘The target enemy unit suffers 5D6 Strength 1 hits, each with an AP of -2.’Hagtree fetish also got nerfed
>>98318020>>98318027Yeah hagtree is only reroll 1s. So the spell functionally doesn't exist. Devolve straight better now except against specific units.
how this make u feel bretist
>>98318012Viletide used to ignore armor.
>>98318027>>98318047Im blind and can’t find it. I found the hagtree nerf but the viletide nerf? Sorry for being a blind pain in the ass but can you guys screen?
Am I coping or do the changes seem to indicate that the guys designing the game are listening to feedback and also seemingly play the game? I am very very happy with the changes this FAQ.
>old-world-builder.com is already getting updatedbruh
>>98318057It's directly below the Hagtree nerf page 117
>>98318065They literally fired the guy who used to do the FAQ.They're still too slow and lack precision though.Like what the fuck is that supposed to mean?Q: Can a model make more Regeneration saves than it hasWounds remaining on its profile?A: No. When a model makes Regeneration saves, it makes one savefor each Wound lost.
>>98318073A model with 3 wounds takes 4 wounds and you fail all four armour/ward saves, you're only allowed to make 3 regen saves.You can't regen wounds you don't have.
Are Wood Elves finally playable?
>>98318065I'll agree. Viletide or hagtree did need a nerf, but having both killed the spell. Everything else directly buffed beastmen so im happy. Now strangleroot doesn't need LoS, Devolve spam will return as the go to kill spell, herdstones are more important, and gors can actually fight now instead of just die. Bestigors also have an army purpose now, making them worth taking.
>>98318078Wrong way round. You lose 3 wounds, you take 3 saves.
basic Gors now at 2A S4 on the charge ( and always T4) for 7ppm BEASTmen indeed
>>98318080Wood Elves are in a better place than High Elves.Also some copium from me but the Wardancers being buffed probably means plastic wardancers in the upcoming Wood Elf refresh.
>>98318078>>98318087See? That's the retarded part. It'd take 1 more fucking sentence to be explicit but nooooo those faggots can't fucking afford to give one example. Now we'll have endless discussion about this retarded shit for another 6 months.
Lots of good stuff for beastmen monsters
>>98318091Dryads also got buffed. Does that mean TOW is getting its own Dryads now?
Did monstrous infantry gain anything from this update?
>>98318091>WE v TK box rumoured>WE and TK both missing from the latest book>Wood Elves buffed We will be huffing hopium tonight
>>98318104Yes and Wardancers, try to keep up
>>98318106Imperial orges are slightly cheaper
>>98318087Run that one by me again with the scenario I laid out, so I can make sure I understand this properly.A model with 3 wounds on its profile fights something that inflicts 4 wounds on it.You're only allowed to make up to 3 regen saves, correct?
>>98318087nevermind I'm retarded, I understand nowif you pass any of those 3 regen saves, your model gets to live on 1 woundthat's crazy good
>>98318056Im retarded ignore me, I thought it just ignored ward.
Please add this file to GoFile. GW deleted it from the download page.https://mega.nz/file/tP5STCAS#4yDuu8WLk-Mn4Ut2pe7x7AWwxJmEjXW5cvV0xtwMWD4
>orc boyz buffed to get +1A on charge>still dirt cheap>still look dead 'ardWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH
>>98318146saved the one I had up
>>98318118Yes, but you also only lose 3 wounds. You cannot lose more wounds than you have. Regeneration saves are called saves, but they occur after damage has been dealt. Theyre healing rather than a proper "save". >>98318118>>98318133Yes, its not like 40k FNP where if youre going to take 20 damage but have 2 wounds left you need to pass 19 saves. You have a troll on 2 wounds left, they get hit by a stone thrower for 6 wounds, they take 2 wounds (because they only have 2 wounds) and then need to pass one of their two regen saves to live (regaining a number of wounds - out of the wounds they just lost - equal to their passed regen saves).
>>98318156that's awesome, I like that
>>98318149It's whatever on orc mob but it's great on black orcs with great weapons
>>98318100Okay, but the previous change (regeneration happens after damage is done/wounds are lost) should make it pretty clear how it works. This isnt a ruling done in isolation, this is a part of a wider change with context you can draw on. The FAQ was done precisely because the previous change left some ambiguity as to how things might work.
>>98318088And 2 weapon and possible frenzy 4/36 or 5/36 times based on unit size.
I've been meaning to get into TOW so I'm probably going to get the new box and start building both a WoC and Cathay army, but I'm also tempted to start building a Beastmen army.Should I try getting the battalions for each while I still can?Probably going to do Chaos soup sooner or later.
>>98318185Yeah, the Beastmen Battalion box is good value
>>98318185Join the herd brother
>>98317834He's literally the god of all those things, as well as Skaven, and why would you not maximize the number of souls and soldiers you have.No reason they shouldn't have daemons, though (other than the fact that Daemons are unavailable because they can't sell general Warhammer figures and decided that Daemons are only for Age of Shit, but that shouldn't be happening anyway.)
>>98318175The purpose of the previous correction on regen (1.5.2) was to nerf the new regen ruling of 1.5.1 which allowed undead to roll regen on unstable.None of which are related to this issue.
>>98318185The next journal is supposed to add a WoC/Beastman army of infamy that also allows custom generals or some such. Seems like the beast herds call.
>>98318205That may have been its purpose, but its effect was having regeneration occur after damage is taken rather than as a save. In that light "you cant take more regen saves than you have wounds" is pretty clear.
>>98318209It isn't clear at all because it doesn't say if the other wounds are lost or simply aren't saved.And it's retarded either way.
>>98318195He is A god of those things, what he is THE god of is skaven.If you want THE god of those things then you have to make one that isn't a race-specific god.
>>98318195>No reason they shouldn't have daemonsThe GHR does have demons, vermin lords.
>>98317439Two thirds their units might as well be MTO, the damsel models outside the Forgeworld special character are terrible, no hippogryph for sale, the pegasus knights get a new nerf with every FAQ.
>>98318252He probably should get some other types of demon though
>>98316893>The chaos god of AmbitionIs tzeench. The chaos god of poison is nurgle. Hashut isnt the god of heat, hes the (minor) chaos god of darkness, tyranny and greed.
>>98318256>the pegasus knights get a new nerf with every FAQ.And they remain some of the best units in the game, because they were horrendously OP on release and continue to be so. They keey getting nerfed because they deserve it.
>>98318258Why?
>>98318185Go BeastmemesBuy their DLC in Total War Warhammer 3 too
>>98318209So what, all models with wounds are not just immune to overkill damage?>Have 3 wounds>Take 4>Well I can only regen three so the other wound is lost nowOr did the one guarantee go through? If you do 6 damage, is the model just dead? Or did the 3 additional wounds diappear?
>>98318264They're not op, their purpose is literally just have 2 banners and a lord in them.It's like the grave guards, they're nothing special until you start stacking a lot of shit on them.Realistically it just makes them more and more physically annoying to play on the table, which is a retarded way to try and fix them.Especially since they've still not fully explained how skirmishers work in many situations 2 years and a half after release.
>>98318348Yes. Overkill only matters in challenges. >>98318285How do you fuck up that bad.
>>98318348Yes, you can only regenerate as many wounds as you have left
>>98318360>They're not opThey absolutely are/were. Elite cavalry stats on fly(9) skirmishers is nonsense.
>>98318361>How do you fuck up that bad.If he was a noob, Taurox's first battle in 3 is a siege, so could have left stuff idle for towers to shoot if he controlled unit by unit without pausing
>>98318361So if you theoretically did 100 damage to a behemoth with regen 6+ it only needs to make 1 single save and it just survives?
>>98318280So it's not just Skaven, and then a Greater demon having a lesser demon would add flavour
>>98318285>TW3Just threw up in my mouth
>>98318376Yes. Similarly before the change the monster only needs to pass 1 save to stop a 100 damage hit. Regeneration is less "spiky" now, it does not fully block out damage and means you can whittle the targets down more reliably, but it makes oneshotting things that have it much harder now.
>>98318367ws 4 atk 1 with a 3+ save isn't elite cav stats. What make them great is that they can get a 50pts banner and you can get a BSB paladin and a duke in them.That's when they become a big problem.
>>98318389That sounds hilariously broken, especially because two very specific armies have it on literally everything
>>98317671didn't Gors already get it?
>>98318406I don't know I don't play beastmen, I'm straight.
>>98318404They have furious charge and a 5++.
>>98318348Until theyre clear the way my group is going about it until its cleared is when the unsaved wounds occur the unit can make up it a cap of the unit's wounds in regen saves (yes I know its not a save) as it seems simpler. So basically how it used to work but with a cap that erodes as the unit dies. Tourneyfags obviously will have to figure something out.
>>98318405>That sounds hilariously brokenNo more than old regeneration, which those armies also already had. Because the rules are "averaged out" essentially the same. For 1w models it will remain a save vs death, for monsters and monstrous infantry it will mean cannons/equivalents are worse at killing them quickly, but better at wounding them.
QRD on FAQ, spoonfeed me
>>98318411and a 40mm base. They're a terrible point per attack investment if you don't stack buffs on them
>>98318406They had the other charge benefit beastial charge that gave them +1 strength on the charge, now they get both.
>>98318423Isn't it just better than Ward in every conceivable fashion except for multiple wounds?
>>98318437Regens count towards combat rez.
>>98318437For 1w models/units its basically the same as a ward that gives combat res.For monsters its more granular. What interests me now, regarding how regeneration works, is how it interacts with killing blow and other "ignores regeneration damage" now it is "no longer a save".
>>98318431holy shit time to RAROOOOOOOOOO
>>98318446I'd think I'd take a chance at pure immunity against an infinity amount of hits if I have 1 wound than care about the 1 CR it will give if I regen it
>>98318454You give the CR whether or not you regen it. And "infininite amount of hits against 1w thing" is just not a super realistic scenario.
>>98318453Yeah a 6 wide unit with a champion can get 25 ws4, st4 attacks on the charge.
>>98318460Hitting a character with a multiple wound weapon two or three times and having those wounds just disappear is realistic, even if you expand it from 6 wounds to a billion, it all just gets reduced to one regen save and one CR from the one regen saved.
>>98318466They aren’t even expensive either, actually wild.
>>98318472That is also true for a ward save. Yes, eventually it will come down to "regenerating one wound", but thats also true for making that last save.
>>98318480Ward forces you to save every hit, Regen gets rid of all hits magically and lets you only regen one to survive. If you had 1 wound and 5 hits go through your armor, that's 5 ward saves. If you had 1 wound and 5 hits go through, that's 1 regen save.
>>98318466>Yeah a 6 wide unit with a champion can get 25 ws4, st4 attacks on the chargeHow? 1A +1 +1 = 3
>>98318478You shoot them with anything and they die. Anything that fight backs kills them. They get charged and they die. The actual definition of glass cannon. But now absolutely no question definitively proves you should only run them in 2 weapon, and only run them in skirmish formation. 360 degree charge arc, -1 to be hit by ranged.
>>98318489They gain frenzy on rolling doubles for primal fury
Just got asked to play a game of ToW and I haven't played before. I play daemons rn (started at the end of 8th and haven't played since). Someone wanna give me the tldr on Daemons under ToW rules? Any need to know stuff like never take Battle magic or something?
>>98318453whats the game
>>98318512Look up the square base renegade rules for them since they are considered legacy. The rules look pretty good for them, and they were going to be my 3rd army after beastwomen, tomb kings, and then Slaanesh daemons.
>>98318512Vanilla daemons aren't very good so play the renegade pack:https://docs.google.com/document/d/16kAE-p_CWbsH0XatDPuRao6TngSw-KSweUnJa81kOXE/edit?tab=t.0make your list with this builder and pick the renegade option under army composition:https://old-world-builder.comChaos furies and flesh hounds of khorne are pretty good. So is the skullcannon.Having at least 1 spell caster is mandatory so you can dispell.
Really wished they bit the bullet on skirmish and scaled the game down further, or downright gave us a specialist game.
>>98318639I'm not sure what would be gained from that
>>98318051Holy fvcking sovl... Gorgeous models.>Questing Knights £4 each>Grail Knights £3 each>£4 characters>£1,30 infantryYeah... I definitely held grog bags on this, otherwise no regrets. I'm quite happy with my collection now. Too bad all the worthwhile recasters don't ship to here, but I'm glad that money didn't go to nu-GW, especially after that insane Bretonnia MTO. They priced them at the going rate on ebay, fucking fags.
>>98318639broheim.netThere you go. Guarantee you have a local scene already or could very easily start one yourself.
My plans for Chaos and Cathay armies>buy battle march sets and core set to fill out infantry core and characters>3d print bigger units such as spawn, dragon ogres, dragons, sentinels, sky junks and more artilery as bigger stuff looks better with FDM than infantryAre you anons planning on building any new armies or expanding existing ones? If so post plans
>>98318707I actually have a Mordheim-gang! I'm just a kitbash addict and the massive boxes makes it all very expensive. Wish the new stuff just didn't require I had to import bits for 30 bucks.
>>98318453>Wooden Door's Semen
>>98318716May I see it?
>>98318190>>98318192>>98318207>>98318285Thanks for the encouragement, looks like i'm getting the beastmen battalion.Probably also going to pick up the WoC and Cathay battalion too if I find them.Another thing, are you able to use the specific Chaos gods Bestmen in any way or are they just a fluff thing in TOW?
>>98318711I think I might buy 2x Empire battle march set. After that get some great canons I guess. Find some cheap wizard and warrior priest. Then I'll see what to do from there possibly greatswords and empire knights
>>98318261>The chaos god of poison is nurgle. No, one time I saw an anime try to portray decay and poison as the same thing, and I find that to be an asspull. I'm definitely not going to let you claim them to he the same.Nurgle and TGHR probably share more in decay and ruin being more similar than Decay and Poison.>>98318230So what is Tzeentch's primary aspect; Change, Knowledge, Magic or Ambition? Which one is the one thing I am allowed to use Tzeentch for and what traits do I need to make a new Chaos God for.
>>98318743Haven't taken some proper pics of them yet, since I got caught up in a WFRP game. Here's some PCs from that though!
>>98318828>Sister of Sigmar>Hans Kruber>Wood Elf nobleInteresting bunch. I like the WElf best.
>>98318812>So what is Tzeentch's primary aspect; Change, Knowledge, Magic or Ambition?Yes. All of them are. Hes the god of change, this maps to "ambition" - the desire to change the world - in mortals, in the same way Khorne is the blood god - which maps to rage and a desire to kill in mortals.
>>98318836Thanks. I'm still a novice, so I'm still learning posing, sculpting and portions.
>>98318840>Change, Knowledge, Ambition and Magic are the same thing actuallyAll because you have a problem with TGHR, you said such a thing.
Runtz forming up.
>>98318739>X8
Be honest, is Mordheim actually fun or is just shitty DnD for people who can't play any non GW game?
>>98318947These things are not mutually exclusive
>>98318051I thought Brets didn't use green on their colours?
>>98318947It is very fun. So much fun infact that forcing your girlfriend to play it ends up being really fun.
>>98318947It's an alright system, but it's very flawed
>>98318051>£18 = £43 todayReally has always been a pricey hobby.
>>98318958That happened when the Green Knight was introduced.
>>98318987That's what I suspected, could you tell me how it's flawed? I know the basics of the system
>>98319020Certain things are just OP that need to basically have gentleman's agreements for games to work, like Slinger spam. So it's not especially well balanced
>>98319015And if that model got an MTO, it would cost £150 + tip, because that's what the going ebay rate is, and that's how they set their WFB MTO prices. Fuck nu-GW.
Am I the only one that saw the battle march generals companion PDF? Did anyone download it?
>thinking about picking up mini painting and TOW>order some cheap bret foot knight proxies on etsy to see if I like painting>not here yet>notice the new starter set is on sale and the old bretonnian core set is gone from warhammer website>don't like the look of the rumored bretonnian battle march box because few knights and the foot knights look silly compared to the proxies I ordered>impulse buy the last bretonnian core set from a nearby LGS for <$200I'm either all in now or I'm about to feel really stupid
>>98319040Not to defend GW, but no, that's not been the case. The last Chaos MTO was nowhere near as expensive as those models were on Ebay.
>>98318518melty's adventure or something
>>98319085Scroll up>>98319106Godspeed anon.
>>98318051Tell me more about the "Gamekeeper" ?
>>98318185beastmen just got gutted in the faq. Abandon ship.
>>98316473>>98316503>>98316523It's not that female ogres shouldn't be pretty- ofc anytime they appear they're ugly as sin & should be. The issue is this whole 'we need more gender representation' argument for why women need to be shoved into every model line was based around the idea that women needed to feel more included in the hobby to be more willing to join hobby, but how in the EVERLOVING FUCK would any woman on the planet feel more compelled to join the hobby with these fuck ugly ogre women as 'representation?' The average woman just isn't into fuck ugly shit- it's common fucking sense to anyone who has ACTUALLY INTERACTED WITH WOMEN that they enjoy pretty, generally attractive things. Sure, there's an outcry against unrealistic standards of beauty so some of them might be turned off by hyper beautiful half naked elven ladies, but that doesn't mean they want to see INBRED CREATURES FROM TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE.So if shoving ugly ogre women into the game isn't actually FOR WOMEN, who the fuck are they actually for? Only two groups come to mind- limp-dicked onions boys who think they're signaling themselves as allies of women in the hopes they might receive a crumb of pussy, and overweight inbred troons who look at a female ogre and go 'she's LITERALLY me.' Both groups that not only should not be enabled in this hobby, but that we should invest in research into time travel for so we can go back in time & beat them as children like they needed to stop them from growing up into intolerables.
super kino. mucho grande enjoyment from old white dwarfs mainly their fantasy batreps
>>98319106It’s a great pickup anon, no need to feel stressed. >>98319175Viletide got rightly nerfed. Gors are better than ever. Overall slight nerf to the beasts
>>98319175Ghorgon buffed 1 toughness.Strangleroot no longer needs LoS.Bestigors have a purpose.Gors are murder machines.Viletide nerfed, but still valid against certain targets. Devolve now no longer just a worse choice. Hagtree only useful for rolled spells, but pretty good in those cases. Might be too niche now though.Overall a buff.
>>98319182All correct.
>>98319182hear hear
>>98319031- Limit slings to 1 shot per turn- Remove dwarves increased resistance to knockdown- Limit spears ASF to base attacks on profileWe houseruled these 26 years ago, and with these minor but necessary alterations, the game is charming and fun to play. That's the reason so many groups still play it after all those years.
>>98319162Thank you anon sir
>>98319175This. All the shit that sucked didn't get meaningful buffs and shit that was good got beatern to the ground
What the hell? Why release FAQ right after a new book?
>>98319296Because the new FAQ isn't changing anything for the new book
>>98318761>Another thing, are you able to use the specific Chaos gods Bestmen in any way or are they just a fluff thing in TOW?No, that's relegated to AoS, but nothing's stopping you from making your dudes followers/drawn to a specific chaos god.Kinda hinted about a Nurgle following with my pestigor model made into a wargor.
>>98319175Good. Gaze of the gods is a bullshit mechanic that lets you autowin any combat that lasts longer than 2 rounds and pigfuckers deserve a slap for it
>>98319174Old name for the squire champ. It's a feudal thing, basically a forest warden.
>>98318146Bumping this link, get your free English Battle March before GW discovers it. They uploaded it by mistake earlier.
qrd on Q&A?
>>98318947It's a totally okay game. You're playing for the funky poorly balanced campaign rules. If you try to use it for pick up skirmish games it's pretty much thy worst possible choice.
>>98319403I don't think it was a mistake, as it was only the ten pages and doesn't include the muster lists or lore and Campaign section of the book.So clearly someone purposely made this PDF but then got cold feet I assume
>>98319428Nah they replaced it with the core battle march rules, which are available for download.
>>98319475They just removed a Companion PDF, the main Battle March rules were uploaded already
>>98318947It’s insanely shitty game that’s carried solely on its name. I’ve tried a couple of community interpretations on it but it’s still missing something to actually be good.
...kind of want to preorder a second baggage train...
>>98319523It's your money anon, I won't stop, but why not just make your own?
GIVE ME THE WARHAMMER FORTRESS YOU FUCKING FAGGOTS!!!
>>98319540Soon anon soon
>>98319540Can't imagine what the price would be today.
>>98319540Why, when you can make your own that's better, cheaper and closer to what you would want?
>>98319568Won't be the same mane
>>98319554Trust the plan.
>>98319560Fortified manor is £74 so probably an extra £50 on top of that
>>98318170Black Orcs already had furious charge, so it's a soft nerf to them. They were already pretty much must haves, so it's not too much of a hit.
>>98319769>>98319769>>98319769>>98319769New slightly early to avoid troll OP
