but what if i hate both?i dont want low gritty human only slop and i dont want high fantasy kitchen sink slopi want a grounded setting with the good of both worlds but not extreme maybe middle fantasy?
>>98317795Find a campaign with what you want or start your own campaign
Then find some like-minded people and play like that. Odds are it'll be easier than finding either of the extremes, whatever's seen as the middle ground is usually that because that's what the majority are doing.Not that you really care of course, you just want to be able to bitch and whine about "both sides".
>>98317809i cant find a game i likealso the game i wanna run i cant find players who like my idea soo now what
>>98317819Have you considered that you may be liking things wrong?
>>98317819Try Solo rpgs
>>98317819I think middle fantasy sounds cool enough. I personally really love completely gonzo shit like Wilderlands though.
>>98317844idk i did like ironclaw but i like the idea having humans too>>98317864im not a fag>>98317865fair
>>98317795Sounds like you're a wishy-washy indecisive faggot afraid of expressing an actual opinion. "Best of both worlds" doesn't mean a fucking thing because the whole point is that all of them are things some people want.You are the problem.
>>98317872You're here. Of course you're a fag. But if you've got nobody to play the game you want you've got the choice of relax your personal rules to join a game others wanna play or pack up your toys and play by yourself. We can't magically make you the perfect ttrpg group and bitching about it won't change that.
>>98317795It's a false dichotomy between "retarded" and "insane". Neither of those are valid, dungeons and dragons is a game where characters are casually wizards and fight fantastical monsters in contrived dungeons to get treasure. Playing a low fantasy D&D game is stupid, it is not for that. A person who thinks there is anything in an RPG that "safety tools" could possibly apply to is a mentally ill person who can't handle normal human interactions. Real games are generally neither of these, but you are also correct to reject both.
>>98317921>Playing a low fantasy D&D game is stupid, it is not for that.5e isn't, sure but you're fantasy the Avengersplaying 1e on the other hand and realizing that you can't cast the Sleep spell you prepared at the start of the day because you forgot to buy live crickets is a different story
>>98317795This seems like bait but on the off chance it's not>have you considered playing Greyhawk?
>>98317795>D&DCharacter death being some le ebin hardcore thing is entirely made up by secondaries pretending to be some sort of old skools grognards. I've been running and playing D&D since the red box and if the characters were too low level to cast raise dead themselves they just haul the corpse to nearest temple.
>>98318002I don't know what you think low fantasy means.
>>98318009its not bait im dead serious lolgreyhawk? idk never did
>>98317795Have you tried actually cracking open a book and reading rules and settings for different games? There are lots that fit your criteria but it will take effort on your part.
>>98317795So you hate old dnd and new dnd? Have you tried not playing dnd? You can look up "cool fantasy ttrpgs" and choose one thats not like dnd (if you get pathfinder thats just alt-dnd). Maybe something more sword and sorcery is what you are looking for?
>>98317873>anon describes The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time>UMMMMMMMM YOU'RE AN INDECISIVE FAGGOTRope + stool + (You) ASAP!!
>>98317819>i cant find a game i likeSucks to be you.
>>98317819Sounds like your ideas aren't as interesting outside your own head
>>98318165no
>>98318111You didn't describe any fucking thing at all, and you're bad at pretending not to be OP.
>>98318111I'm not shocked you can't find friends to play the game with if that's how you react to the mildest criticism...Buy a cheap notebook and give Ironsworn a try and stop making your shitty personality everyone else's problem.
>>98317872>I like ironclaw>Not a fag Pick one.
Wait, that's what safety tools are in groups? I've been listing hazmat suits and rope lines with appropriate damage values.
>>98318277both
>>98318253>>Sounds like you're a wishy-washy indecisive faggot afraid of expressing an actual opinion. "Best of both worlds" doesn't mean a fucking thing>kill yourself>>UMMM YOU CANT SAY THAT TO MILD CRITICISM YOU HAVE A TERRIBLE PERSONALITYYou are actually the worst poster to ever exist
>>98317795What if you would just play games for once?
>>98317795Whats your ideal fantasy setting?Do you have game, movie, or even just a work of art that gives an idea of the "vibe" you are looking for
>>98317864>solo rpgUh, isnt that just called your imagination?
>>98318563Warhammer fantasy but without the retarded shit
>>98318563whfb but with even more retarded shit
>>98317819There is a game finder thread. Did you post your game there?What is your idea that no one likes?
>>98318563wfb with exactly its included shit
>>98318724Call of Cthulhu but no sanity loss, tons of sex, basically no combat, elves are there, and lots of shoutouts to the movies I grew up watching from the 80s.
>>98317795>Intergroup romanceThis sounds like the most uncomfortable thing in the world
>>98317795>Racism... le exists?! Nooooo this is my safe space, you can't have le heckin racisterinos even if the narrative explicitly condemns them!
>>98318853Good job they have those safety tools.
>>98317795Just play a cRPG because this is clearly what you want. No character permadeath (you can always load a previous save), exactly as many intergroup interactivities as you want to...
Aren't most D&D games in the middle? I pretty much just play with dungeon-delvers and with occasional supply runs to the nearby village.
>>98318853It can work. Been playing TTRPGs for 20 years now and had quite a few games have romance between characters. Sometimes they work, others not so much.
Play something other than D&D. Try Warhammer Fantasy roleplay or Age of Sigmar roleplay. That universe is a good balance.
>>98318563warhammer but without the ham
Is weeby HoYocore fantasy okay?
>>98318998Try Dark Sun, it's the warmest setting I can think of
>>98317795>brown person is the realism agitator
>>98317795Being obsessed with validity and never shutting up about it is pretty common behavior for narcissistic abusers.
>>98319006pretty good. I've been thinking about Dark Sun a lot lately too. Hey, you're alright anon
>>98317872>im not a fag>i just require validation in the form of other people partaking in my specific niche interest or else i get too insecure to even be able to partake in that interest by myself on my own timeyou sound like a pretty massive fag idk
>>98317795>both are validNah. Freakshit romantasy slop is not roleplaying, it's an excuse for degenerates to meet and engage in collective mental masturbation. And I don't just say that because they're disgusting subhuman queers - though that is of course the truth - but because if you ever have the misfortune to speak to any of these rancid creatures or observe them play, they don't actually play roles. They play themselves wearing an imaginary fursuit. The "characters" they play are just them; their personality, their politics, their mannerisms - their disgusting magical realm - but coming out of the mouth of some variety of snowflake freakshit race.
>>98319122assblasted
>>98319122This. Calling that shit valid is for disingenuous faggots or little pussies who know it's wrong but are scared of offending anyone.
>>98317795Would recommend to just jump into it with friends and not worry too much about labeling your game as one or the other. It's incredibly unlikely that you'll fall strictly into one of these two types of games anyway. If your friend group isn't interested in running or playing games, check to see if you have a local game store or a university tabletop club near you. If you cannot find a game under any circumstances, the question is moot. If you're only interested in the setting, you may not actually be interested in TTRPGs, so try solo RP or writing around 1000 words a day for fun.
>>98319122>>98319412Sounds like you're conflating bad players with the scene. Bad players will be shit in any scene until they're called out for their bad behaviour. I know that people think that scene shields that sort of behaviour by discouraging criticism, and I think that's true to a degree, but not to the degree that you are implying.
>>98319122This. They also don't adventure or do anything interesting. If you play with these types they always avoid the cool hooks to adventure.
>>98319122Having to play with people that go in detail about facial expressions and hair flips for their own characters while being almost uninterested in the collaborative plot is way worse than nogames. The quirk chungus rainbow crowd is a plague and I'm grateful there are good people to game with. Shame those saccharine parasites chase off people that actually play games rather than making one xir shows. I gave no clue why the tiefling types aren't universally considered that guy. They do all the same red flag behaviors. >make it all about themselves>include their fetishes>generallt unpleasant primadonnas
>>98317872Well, your first problem is that Jadeclaw is superior.
>>98317872>i did like ironclaw>im not a fagMutually exclusive statment, all furries are gay.
>>98318571Bro can't even describe the game he wants. He needs a guidebook to have an imagination.
>98318937>namefag
>>98319122>they don't actually play roles. They play themselvesBut that is literally one of the classic complaints about human only players too.
>>98318111Zelda games are the bottom one
>>98317872>i did like ironclawBASED
>>98317809Fuck You
>>98319122You sound like you have actual medical diagnosable autism
>>98320744>Gives just two options from an infinite range of options>An anon points out Op could choose to do something else if he wanted to.>Op gets angry.Maybe all you problems in life are because of you? Sort yourself out and stop shitting up the board with stupid easily answered posts. You will be a lot happier if you do.
>>98317795The secret these nogames fags dont wanna tell you is that you can just imagone the game to look like whatever you want. You can stop being a bitch baby and watch others seethe.
>>98317795Then you’re basically the average TTRPG player
>>98317795gay faggot shit is never valid
>Do solo>GM knows exactly what you want>No bullshit party drama>Can actually play a protagonist for once>get to include anything you fancy without anyone judging you or X-carding your shithttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lg_FoEy8T_A
>>98318998We're getting Warmer.
>>98317795Fuck safety tools. I shouldn't have to enable the mental illness of queers and obese cat ladies in my elf games. If you take SSRIs you should be banned from gaming so decent people don't have to deal with you.
>>98317795All I want is a system where magical items are actually rare and special, no assumption you'll find even one, ever; and spellcasters are designed around small, thematic lists with fairly limited uses per day. Fantastic elements like many races, supernatural entities active in the world, leftover tech from a previous age, somewhat gonzo classes or races, anachronisms like running water or even TVs, all fine, I just want the party to not light up a Detect Magic spell like the Elephant's Foot sets of a geiger counter.Unfortunately, a lot of systems both want tons of magic and items and are balanced around the party gaining such.
>>98319122>degeneratesRPG was always a degenerate hobby. People like Gygax and Ed Greenwood were perverts. In other words: the TOURIST is YOU.
>>98317795> D&DNot my thing, thanks.> Also, D&D being "gritty", lol
>>98320366Those who actually do are honest about it. And rare. Most "Bob the fighters" I've seen came from people who just wanted a simple character and simple gameplay. And most others who play human fighters want to play the goddamn mundane badass who goes toe-to-toe with arcane and divine beings.Roleplaying someone who shares traits with you but with a different upbringing, personality and lifegoal =/= playing yourself but made special by non-matching immutable component.Like how Chaotic Good and Lawful Evil are separated equally from Lawful Good, but completely opposed.
>>98318998Oy vey!
>>98318617So not warhammer
>>98318998Warmer?
>>98317795Agreed, both sound like dogshit.>>98318563I've always had a strong desire for an epic heroic fantasy campaign involving politics, mass warfare, and recurring characters, but over the years I gave up on it ever happening. It's kind of difficult to tell a story like that when everyone's cracking Marvel jokes every five seconds and the fundamental architecture of the game is incapable of supporting the type of combat I want. At this point, I figured I may as well write my "ideal campaign" into a book so...wish me luck I guess.
>>98317819>i didn't bother to search>i have such abstract notion of a game, i didn't even bother to look for people to play it withhere, ftfyAnyone, ever, claiming they didn't find game to their liking wasn't truly searchingAnyone claiming they were unable to find players, while discussing this online, didn't even start to search for a group.Those are objective facts.
>>98326081Good luck then, Anon.
>I want generic fantasy.So 80s D&D?>No, more generic than that.So… modern D&D?>No. Even more generic.
>>98317795The One Crime I can never solve is Who stole all the testosterone from the Male masterrace? It is obvious that men are superior to women, but sometimes I see womenfolk out earning their male counterparts even in the rpg industry, and that’s just Wrong. Anyway I hope you all made the right choice and invested in Spacex. The Only shining light in the future for humanity and ttrpg
>>98328544Isekai anime?
>>98328700lol that’s probably what he wants.Actually that stuff can have some wacko ideas but the baseline certainly is aggressively generic.
>>98317795I tried playing with a group like bottom right but they didn't want my artificer to use a gun because someone said their brother killed himself with a gun and I was like "Uh ok, sorry but that's kinda the class fantasy for me." and they said they would absolutely not play in the group if I had a gun so I made a wizard with all my spell slots as grease and accidentally cast it under their 10 dexterity tiefling barbarian every other encounter. One time the grease was on a slope and her character got launched off a town wall in to a chicken coop and came out covered in feathers and bird shit. She fucking hated me!
>>98317795sir this is 4chan you either agree with my xitter reposts or you're a toothpaste hair wokie there is no "nuance"
>>98317819online playif that doesn't work genuine skill issue
>>98317795Don't play D&D or D&D clones.Find better friends.
>>98318737I see why nobody wants to play with you. This just sounds like a cosmic horror erpg with none of the stakes of cosmic horror and random autismo shit sprinkled on top. This would fucking suck to play.
>>98330421Like seriously, it sounds like you just want to roleplay tentacle hentai featuring elves.
>>98317795greasypepperonigame.5e
>>98317795>safety toolsIT'S THE SAFETY TOOLIT'S THE SAFETY TOOL!
>>98330509I believe that term "safety tool" best applies to the user, in the case of things like OP.
>>98317819You are a low functioning aspie, sorry.
>>98317795>in game racismWhat exactly is meant by this? What is the objection?>>98317921>D&D is>D&D isn’tDon’t play D&D and you have an immediate solution.
>>98317795>safety toolsis that like rubber corners on the table and cardboard char sheets so they don't get paper cuts? maybe rolling apps on the phone so they don't have to touch pointy dice?
>>98317795The word valid has ruined so many things by lowering the bar of acceptability.
>>98317795>but what if i hate both?Part of playing in a group means learning to compromise.
>>98332283>cardboard char sheetsBased i would collect these
>>98321522KEK
>>98332283no, its literally safe words and safe spaces agreements. real onions thin skin shit.
>>98333198he knows
>>98333214Not everyone is aware of this faggot shit that basically only exists in some specific online spaces.
>>98333336off by 3, Sad!
>>98333591Even the way you write is faggy.
>>98334532off by 1, Sad!
>>98334541ok faggot
>>98334593womp womp off by 6
>>98319122>other people having fun in a different way is... le bad!
>>98334607well yes
>>98317795Imagine missing the point of the image and then making a thread about it, as if your point was different from the actual point made by the guy drawing itTell us, OP - are you autistic or just below the age of 25?
>>98322835thisx1000
>>98332449the word valid made the world invalid?
>>98329335what a faggot you are lol
>>98318002>IT'S LOW FANTASY BECAUSE I HAVE TO DO MORE BUSYWORKHoly shit 1e players are genuinely delusional.
>>98317795Play a firmly established setting where freakshit is not playable outside of themed games, like Warhammer Fantasy Roleplaying 2e.
>>98317795Play in an established setting where people want and demand something specific rather than gray gruel or pink slime. For example, look for a Dark Sun game specifically, or a GCW-era Star Wars game specifically.
