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HONOR THE DRAGON
FUCK this was good!
>>98321659The dragon is lame AND gay
>>98321713Talking mad shit for someone in katanaing range.
Given the fact the Raven Alliance is basically "built" upon a Periphery nation, would it make sense for the bulk of their mechs to be Inner Sphere/IIC machines or have the Snow Ravens achieved full Clan Omnimech mass production by 3152?
>Conjurer>Shadow Hawk IIC>Griffin IIC>Warhammer IIC>Wyvern IIC.Best Star right there.
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98321659>>98321793DRAGON STATUS: HONORED
Glory to the Blessed Blake.
>>98321754Most of the recent art about the Snow Ravens has them in IIC mechs, just a fun fact.
Recently introduced a friend to BT with a SuccWars game. He really liked it so I showed him Clan machines later. He loved those. Gave him the gist of how they are and he was into it. Guess I have a Clanner friend in my playgroup now, neat
>>98321659Dragon honored... kind of. >>98321680Was it really, or are you virtue signaling because the author is hated by liberals?>>98321754The Ravens were busier reviving shipyards than converting 'mech factories AFAIK. They're probably under-omni'd in any era. They can just about keep their lead keshik at full omnis, but only by keeping it under-manned.
>>98322013>Was it reallyYep. Fidelis/Smoke Jag to the core.
>>98322013>or are you virtue signaling because the author is hated by liberals?Trying Too Hard.
what are the rules for battle armor modular mounts? tech manual doesn't fully explain them beyond "this is thing" and doesn't tell me how to use it.
>>98321642I love the IIC mechs. They is cooler than the dumb bird leg Clan Mechs.
I have TRO 3025 and am looking for the equivalent for Clan Invasion. Do you prefer the TRO named Clan Invasion or any of the year ones from the time?Ideally I'd like it to include both Clan and IS designs
>>98322250>>98321754>>98321642I have like 3 Stars of IIC mechs sitting around but can't decide I want to make them Snow Ravens or 3rd Star League SLDF machines.
>>98322316You could split them down the middle and make one SLDF and one Snow Raven.
>>98322239Pg 262.
>>98322316snow ravens makes more sense, SLDF is moreso using republic and other IS designs I think or newer sea fox available stuff like the mad cat 2 3 4
>>98322250I honestly wish there were more of them.
>>98322350There are a lot more IIC's than you would think just not all are going to be called a IIC. The Great Wyrm for instance is a Dragon IIC in all but name.
>>98322442I want my Stalker and Scorpion IIC
>>98322442>Great Wyrm = Grand DragonSo fucking obvious my mind is blown.
As I mentioned at the very last moments of the prior thread, Toying with the idea of a "A Time of War" campaign I'm gonna run and want to run it past some other people.It's set during the Jihad and the main plot would be investigating where the Wobbies are getting all their 'mechs and equipment from. They finally discover a gargantuan machine able to produce 'mechs by the dozen in lightning fast time and destroy it. No one is able to make out what the hell the tech behind it came from, until they find some documents where it was discovered that the Wobbies assembled it from components they brought back from the other side of an anomaly. Hunting it down, they go through it and find:https://youtu.be/z33LpV1O0vM [Embed]They're the height of Battletech minis and it is revealed that the machine was a resin 3D printer from our world.Good idea? Shit? Suggestions for things that could be done before/after the reveal?Also as mentioned at nearly the last second in the prior thread, gonna be broadly presenting the campaign as in the same tone as the California Nebula stuff. Less serious and grim tone, and the understanding there's gonna be some stuff that's clearly non-canon to the proper Battletech universe.
>>98322442I guess even the Clans know how to honor the dragon. More seriously, the second line Clan mechs are all pretty good. Most have solid loadouts and you don't have to pay for the 3/4 pilots, meaning they're some nice cheap padding for your lists. The Horned Owl, Incubus, Goshawk, Black Python, Shadow Hawk IIC, and Conjurer are all really good.
>>98322449
>>98322449>>98322547>Scorpion IICStalking Spider is a better fit.Ditto on Stalker. Don't think Clans made a Doom Dildo.>>98322520>you don't have to pay for the 3/4 pilotsYes you do?
>>98322255TRO3050 is the original Clan Invasion TRO. It has the original Clan mechs and upgrades of the introtech mechs as well as a few new IS mechs. TRO3055 has the first 2nd line mechs and early post-invasion IS mechs. TROs up to the 3060s continue covering post-invasion, pre-FCCW stuff, including some Clan mechs that are supposed to have already been around in 3050s but weren't in the TRO.The compilation TROs like the Clan Invasion collect a bunch of entries from multiple older TROs, but they're put together in a pretty slapdash way since they just literally copypaste entries from various different older books. They do present an incomplete but decently representative list of the mechs from the older TROs, though generally don't include the upgraded variants of introtech mrchs unless they didn't make it to the SW compilation TRO.
>>98322581>Yes you do?If you got saddled in a second liner under 80 tons, you weren't good enough for an Omnimech. So you can have some 4/5 pilots and still be fluffy.
>There are no Freeborn in the Smoke Jaguar ToumanDidn't know that. Cool.
>>98322581there's nothing in the rules saying you need to take x skills with x pilots. There might be something saying if they are clan pilots you do, cant remember, but you can just say well these guys are actually IS guys in clan mechs
>>98322632it's a joke anon, niggers are never born free.
>>98322632They're assholes even by Clan standards. It's hilarious.
All this talk of IICs reminds me of how much I adore the Shadow Hawk IIC 2. 3 Small Pulse Lasers2 ER Large Lasers1 ER Small LaserJump JetsDouble Heat SinksPURE. FUCKING. SEX.
Kurita had all the people they had before Hob was rolled, so to finish out their imageset for the thing AcademyAnon is running (>>98318493), they are getting Iron Giant's Hobart until an alternative is proposed.Liao was already posted, so Marik and Mercs need to figure out their own.
>>98322675>No image for Rebecca BuckDid nobody get the reference then?
>>98322659If you like him, check out the base Rifleman IIC. It's literally just 4 Large Pulse Lasers on legs. Fun boi.
https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Helios_(system)>Helios from Mechassault is now a real system>There was actually a fight between Wolf’s Dragoons and WoB there in the Jihad era>It cost the Dragoons 2 stars (roughly equivalent to both of the squads in your dropship in game that get killed off)>Casualties included a pilot known only as “The Mechwarrior” (Which checks out because MA2 had the gang laying low at the start)So uh, does this mean Mechassault’s canonicity has now been upgraded from “Random bullshit legend that somebody made up” to “Dramatized and inaccurate, but based on real events”?Does this mean we have some chance of the Ragnarok getting an actual model?
>>98322698Soon
>>98322689I figure several are references I could have searched up images for, but I'm a lazy fuck who only filled out the Hobart image because a random question mark far away from all the others felt annoying.
>>98322698Didn't they canonize the BA from that game with the caveat that its bullshit hacking was just a prototype and not good enough to mass produce?
>>98322714It's like a 100 ton Hatchetman
>>98322659>>98321642Absolute Slampig
>>98322735Those skinny minnie's? Neg trothkin, this is a slampig
>>98322728With a force field and lava gun.
>tsm>super charger>jump jets>hot running lasers>just enough heat sinks to stay warmOh yeah, its melee time
>>98322763sex
>>98322763>low center of gravity for NonStop Pounding
>>98322675Was just getting ready to start the 1st turn of the game. Pic is Hobby IRL.
>>98322675>>98322880However, I did realize that by calling him Hob "Hobby" Hobertson, I created a name that could be abbreviated as... HHH.Hobby says it's time to play the game.
>>98322880>>98322886Buff catperson it is.
>>98322939I'd just gone with Morgan for the alliteration, you can either use your favorite one or just slap a helmet on there.
>>98322717>I could have searched up images for, but I'm a lazy fuckI can respect that. Really should force anons to provide images as it might be more entertaining but would delay the game.>>98322880>what the fuck are you doing.kot
>>98322675Janusz
It's my birthday/btg/ how's about you all make up an enforcer iic for me.Straight clanning it uac erll seems too plain .Hope everything is well with you all also!
>>98322675Fine, this can be Igzael. The impossible mission in question is surviving as an X/7 Locust pilot.
>>98322939Moriancumer is a tower of babel reference. Not sure how to choose a person for that. I'm fine with anything that you guys come up with.
>>98323065Sure here.
>>98323118Neat thanks anon. HML over AC has a good fit same damage. Been trying to think of something everything felt boring.Have a great day!
>>98322793Short range ballistic weapon that applies heat is cool
Everything takes longer than you think it will. This is ancient and sage wisdom. I knew this going into this project. Even knowing this and expecting this, it's taking longer than I thought it would. Here's the setup for turn 0.I own a long table, but not a wide table. I need to go buy a wide table or this is going to end up being a huge hassle and add a lot more time each time I go to do a turn of this.
>>98323111I was going to see if Fate made a genderbent Nimrod and post that, but there's only a fanmade knockoff Archer, so someone else will have to find something for you.
>>98323146Hell yeah, thank you for going throuh thr trouble anon
>>98323157There probably won't even be any combat until at least turn 3.
>>98322727The BA is from the second game, and the bullshit hacking was canonized by the Fidelis in Surrender Your Dreams. I wonder if that guy fawning over Forever Faithful ever read that book, because it certainly was not my reaction to reading Forever Faithful the first time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vJjIUPRWjg
>>98322954Couldn't find a good image of just a levitating helmet, so had to go with an invisible knight as a close enough.>>98323111There's some Mormon dude I came across when looking up "Moriancumer". Apparently named by the founder of Mormonism at that. So threw him in the slot.
>>98323065Happy birthday! What's the magic number today?
Logfiles have been updated with Main Event and the Legacy Anthology.
>>9832321941, time flies ! Been into BT 35 years almost. Cartoon got me into the crescent hawks games and table top.Guess it's time to stuff me in a hunchback iic and wish me well lol
>>98323164Man is so livid about having to pick something himself he's saying House Marik had a sapient cuirass wandering around.
>>98323222Thank you.Has shrapnel 25 dropped?
>>98323235Hell yeah my man, hell yeah. If I wasn't enjoying my new job I'd play with ya.
>>98323162>I wonder if that guy fawning over Forever Faithful ever read that book, because it certainly was not my reaction to reading Forever Faithful the first time.I did. I enjoyed it but FF was much better, FF and Rock of the Republic are peak KINO FIDELIS KINGBASED stories.
>>98321680I want to see more of Paul Moon, yeah, but the character I want more of is Inanna. I love the Nova Cat/Spirit Cat side of things with visions and mystical shit and her visions were fucking on-point. A very interesting character I'd love to see explored more.
>>98323164I should have just gone with 2 Hs so he could have been Hob Hogan instead. Oh well.Turn 1, is done. I am not doing more of this until I get an extra table that I can just set this up on and leave it setup. Just need a small 3'x4' one. I'll head to the hardware store to get one some time today.
>>98323289I take more personal joy in Stoner suffering, but good for you for knowing what you like, anon. If you've read SYD, FF, Rock and Shell Games, I'm not sure what other Fidelis and Eruptio type stuff might appeal to you. If this is you >>98323306, then definitely the old DA novel Heretic's Faith for the Nova Cat mystic caste stuff.
>>98323381>Shell GamesThe Fides Defenders were also kino and it is a CRIME that we've only got that one story about them. Their scenes were peak kino and the best parts of the book.
>>98321680The thing I want to see expanded from this book, is that a veteran Clan MechWarrior of the Goliath Scorpion's Alpha Galaxy's Command Keshik, the most elite unit in the Clan's most elite Galaxy, piloted an UrbanMech IIC.Jesus fucking christ, what was the story of that madlad?!
>>98323625I can think of a few stories for that situation, but the official answer is "fuck you, I wrote parts of TRO 3025, you can't tell me that my mech choices are strange".Personally, I've been slowly putting together a Seeker force for an eventual campaign where the leader is in a storied Fire Scorpion that he had gone on a quest to recover, and which he won't swap out of due to how much work he put into it.
>>98322442I've heard people call the Grendel a Vindicator IIC.
>>98323675>but the official answer is "fuck you, I wrote parts of TRO 3025, you can't tell me that my mech choices are strange".
>>98323730OMG lmfao someone else besides me caught the strangeness of that mech choice XD
>>98323730HOLY FUCK BLAINE IS A BASED KING
>>98322442No Atlas IIC seems like a weird choice.
>>98323837Atlas II already existed by the time the exodus fleet left
>>98323856I said IIC :/
>>98323870It would be a IIIC
>>98323870It'd have to be an Atlas IIIC, then, right?Since we wouldn't want a repeat of the infamous Marauder II C vs Marauder IIC debacle.
>>98323885>>98323886No. It would be an Atlas IIC, which we don't have.The lack of an Atlas IIC is weird in the setting.
>>98323831For crashing out over a facebook review?
>>98321659Is that the fucking white tree of gondor?
>>98323374I have gone to both Lowe's and Home Depot. Neither of them had a 4'x3' table. Apparently tables in those dimensions are Lostech. We are simply not capable of making basic tables that are 3 ft. wide anymore.
>>98323957>Luthien calls for aid!>And New Avalon will answer!
>>98323972Good thing there's a million of them at the local Goodwill for $20.
>>98323895There is an Atlas C, which is basically the same thing.Most IICs are reworks of existing chassis,and very few Atlas' went on the Exodus. Even the Atlas C isn't common until they get their hands on IS salvage.
>>98323999>very few Atlas' went on the ExodusI love the 'why' on that.
>>98323976We shall see.
>>98324023>Comstar Operation Silver Table.hpg
>>98323837Atlas was like the Orion, only the most dezgra would taint such a mech by modifying it. Therefore was surprised the Wolves didn't make an Atlas IIC although that would cause a trial of annihilation that not even the greatest of plot armor could contain.>>98323999There's a bunch of Atlas C variants that now exist and all pre invasion. Which is odd considering that a good chunk of Atlas pilots told Kerensky to fuck off and the only ones that went with him were the Atlas II pilots.
>>98323957Aff!
>>98324060Yeah, those refits are what that blurb is commenting on. Interestingly, it implies that most Atlas IIs were converted to Atlas C 2s, so while base Atlas' may be rare, the II does use largely the same chassis, and could presumably be converted into any of the C variants.
>>98322727It's not that it didn't work, it's that it's not always useful when you can just kill the mechwarrior inside and have the battle be mostly over anyways.
>>98322793Do you think it'll be reconned to a Blue Shield and Heavy Plasma Rifle?
>>98323162I do like how there's a variant of the BA that's common to mercs in ilClan
>>98322939Is William the top left with the cannon or the random South Park guy?
>>98324060>most dezgra would taint such a mech by modifying itDezgra surat! I challege you to a trial of grievance for your slander against the Great Father himself!
What if Adeptus Titanicus Knight Household, but Battletech?Has anyone field a Star/Stars of Protomechs and played games using only Protos? I think it sounds kinda fun.
>>98324312Neg, but I am building a Star of ProtoMechs for my Ilclan-era Snow Ravens. I don't know if I'll ever bring all 25 on the table at once, but I like the idea of it and it's fluffily for them to have some on the field + having more units to choose from keeps the game fresh.
Are there any good BTech novels focused around Elementals and/or Powered Armor scale combat? I would also take one focused on Inner Sphere battle armors since apparently they end up developing their own to deal with Elementals?
>>98324334Shell Games. The whole battle depends on the BA and it's kino. Plus, you get to see Purifier BA be used and that's always a good thing since Purifier is the best suit.
>>98324334Hour of the Wolf has a lot of BA and combined arms stuff but the book is SHITE and should never be touched.
>>98324287The South Park guy is Stuart McCormick, so that's what I put William as. The cannon guy is a depiction of my character's inspiration, Count Nikolay Ignatyev, from the Flashman books. I couldn't figure out the references for the other pilots, so I did the best I could and tried to align the characters with general CapCon architypes. >Snooty nobles that some how exist in a pseudo-communist state>Commoners from places like New Kentucky and such trying to get by>Commie bloc aesthetics and themes. >XIN SHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENGIf you tell me what you were referencing I'll update it.
>>98324351There was no reference, I just mashed 2 old PC names together because I need to submit a name to play.
>>98321642Griffin > Griffin IIC
>>98322659Wrong. Because it LOSES what a shadowhawk IS.Big shoulder ballistic of some kind with a backpack on the left shoulder.A smattering of missiles on the other side chest and head. Some laser on wrist/s. 5/8/x minimum.
>>98323256Just got dropped in the Trove, will be moving it to the story folder sometime today. Stuck on a train atm.
>>98321642AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!EVEN THE CLANS REALISED HOW SHITE THE GRIFFIN WAS AND HAD TO MAKE A IIC VERSION TO MAKE IT EVEN REMOTELY USABLE!You know what NEVER needed a IIC version? The Wolverine. It didn't need Clan tech to become good, it was the OG KING that even the Clans didn't care touch"Eat SHIT G(ay)riffin fans!
>>98324405Oh look, it's retarded.You are coping, coping and seething.You have a glorified AC5 carrier. That carries ONE ac5.Even an srm or lrm carrier spams the fucking things it carries.
>>98322316Do Snow Ravens, more crow bros>>98324328Protos are up next on my list, I need to start collecting sculpts. Just gotta finish my roster of mechs first, I have an Iron Cheetah, Locust IIC and Loki Mk II left to get painted and I should be just about set.
>>98323235>the crescent hawks gamesOk boomer
>>98324395Correct answer. Well done anon.
>>98324405>You know what NEVER needed a IIC version? The Wolverine>I don't know what the Hellhound is: the post
>>98324430>Protos are up next on my list,I already have 3 Points primed and ready to be painted. Gorgon, Minotaur and Satyr. Still need to prime the Roc and Orc Protos I've got. Plenty of options, I love the Satyr. He's a pain in the ass for the oppenant lolI will have to bring my All Proto Star someday. It's probably not good but could be fun.
>>98324328BTW, which protos are you going with? Are all the points of 5 going to be the same protomech (e.g. a full point of 5x Rocs) or are you planning on doing mixed points?
Opinions on the Avatar Omnimech?
>>98324454He Point is a different type. RocMinotaurGorgonSatyrHydraHydra and Minotaurs are my fav designs. I want Orcs and Procyon as well.
>>98324338Nice, thanks. Also holy shit this must be the only general on /tg/ that has working troves>>98324342I'll maybe read it just to see what the writer considers BTech combined arms to be. Would love to see more tanks and jets involved as well.
>>98324448Can we design a better shadowhawk IIC that does NOT throw away being a shadowhawk?I'm thinking a clan medium pulse laser, a clrm10 and clrm5, and a cuac10 for the weapons. But does it fit on a 55t clan mech with 5/8/5 cxlfe, maybe endo?And of course it has to have at least 90% armour coverage.
>>98324466>SatyrFuck these flanking pains in the ass. Too weak to bother targeting so they just ride your ass picking away at armor
>>98324466Let me be clear, each Point is a single design, so 5 Hydras, but each Point will be a different type of Proto. 5 Hydra, 5 Roc, 5 Satyr etc.
>>98324351You got Wang Lee dead on, for what it's worth.
>>98324466Test of Vengence and The Flames of Idlewind from Shrapnel #1
>>98324471Why not? Here's a modern take on it. Assume the Clans didn't realize the hole in their lineup until very late. It was always the lack of a good Shad IIC which kept them from beating the Inner Sphere; they just didn't realize it until ~50 years after the invasion. This feels reasonably "Shadow Hawk-y".
>>98324723Oh, I'm at work, so this is hand built from memory. Hopefully the math is all basically correct.
I wrote an over 1,800 word bit of story that's meant to be a prologue to the academy battle. I don't want to just copy and paste it all here though. That'd take at least 6 posts to make that happen. I'm going to have to find an easy, and anonymous, way to share it online.
>>98324937Pastebin.That thing Twitter posts use.Just make a Word document on Google.
>>98324457Solid IS heavy, almost always performs well for me. Also has one of the more efficient C3M configurations.
Was this event told in an actual novel? Cause if so, I'd like to read it.
>>98325016No. Due to the amount of hate that William Keith got for the GDL books, he stopped writing them for several years before coming back to do a Civil War era book or 2, and then leaving again when FASA told him to kill off the unit in an insulting way to please the angry fanbase. This meant the whole clan invasion era got skipped.
>>98325121I never got into the GDL stuff. Why do people dislike them?They can't be any more of a Mary Sue than the Dragoons.
>>98325127>Why do people dislike them?Because they're a successful unit who tell an entertaining story, and many, many people want the setting to be full of no protagonists, incompetent characters and misery porn. What major character in a spine novel doesn't get accused of being a Mary Sue? None of them, that's who. Mercs are especially prone to this, because being a successful merc REQUIRES lucky breaks along the line, and lucky breaks = author fiat. And this effect, where any character capable of being protagonist is also a Mary Sue because they're capable of being a protagonist is just going to get worse and worse every year and there's no escape from it except the total death of either the franchise, or yourself.
>>98325121>Due to the amount of hate that William Keith got for the GDL booksWTF? Why? The GDL books are my favorite. What were they complaining about with the GDL?
>>98325147>misery porn.But that's exactly what the GDL is! I haven't read them all, but I have read the first 3 books and they are nothing but hardship after hardship after hardship. Every time it looks like things are starting to go right for the GDL, life takes a giant dump on them. Just because they come out on top in the end doesn't mean they didn't suffer to get there.I swear, there are times I fucking despise Battletech's fanbase.
