Previous: >>98311359Thanos Edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Gay Bolashttps://files.catbox.moe/823tpq.png>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What's your favorite thing about 5c commanders?
>>98321255What I've noticed about people opposed to hybrid is that they're very frequently LARPers (people claiming Magic was best 20 years ago when they usually started playing after 2018, most of them after 2023), and they're ALWAYS the bad players that have never actually played a single hybrid card in their life so they create these insane Christmas scenarios like monoG running Leyline of the Guildpact solely for Bloom Tender like it's somehow more of a problem for monoG to make a lot of mana than for 5c slop to have it.
>>98322437>TQThey're very easy to ignore and forget about because they're so rarely interesting.
the anti-ub thread is on the last page.make sure to post in threads so it will die before a new one gets made
Fine, if everything is going to shitLet's do a from soft setFuck itMake tarnished and undead keywords
>>98322466yet more proof that casuals should not be taken seriouslyironic that as much as they tout to let them "do the thing" they won't allow wotc to "do the thing" to their own game which would allow more people to do more things with mono
Letting Universes Beyond break the colorpie rules lead to all of this hybrid shit.
>>98322437>TQmy favourite is that they are jank because of the colour pips and their abilities are big to compensate this does not apply to new cards
>>98322601That just shows how based UB is
>no ThanoscopterBetter be in the SLD
>>98322466>dipshit who doesn't understand how important color identity is to the has a bunch of shit opinions It checks out Color identity and the limitations therein, are what makes edh interesting and as an extension, having an aesthetic that matches that ideal is also important as well as future proofing the format against UB as they very clearly need to rely on hybrid to make most settings fit into mtg and nosewater said explicitly that they use this crutch because it's too hard otherwise. Also mtg is in a terrible spot and has been for a long while, if you can't see that you are blind.
>>98322640?
>>98322640??
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98322645>>98322647>preconI hadn’t looked at the precons, thanks.
>>98322466I don't think it's a bad take to enjoy og Ravnica over UB slop
>>98322636rules for thee but not for me, I see
>>98322466Part of the fun of edh is that color works different, don't get mad that people want to keep that aspect, get mad at wotc for spreading it to other formatsAka>wotc get your filthy hands off my shitty format
>>98322662Jumpstart.
>>98322645>>98322647I know what I must proxy
>>98322737>muh formatsheldon wanted rhystic in every pod but omg look at you guys froth at the mouth at a GC that isn't supposed to be affecting your timmy pods anyway
Honestly we gotta go back to commanders being unable to generate mana outside of their identity
>>98322772>you may have your opinions but but but what about SHELDON???
>>98322773well you see autists are fine with sen triplets producing brocolli because they don't get to see the vegetable color on their fake cardboard, can't have the M-cones in their retinas perceive it you know
>>98322806>sheldon was wrong about rhystic ok?>but he can't be wrong about other things!!pure cope, time will prove that hybrid is for the best, enjoy your 1cmc 5color slop in the meantime just as sheldon intended
>>98322769Do itProve to the world you are a kuckledragger with no taste
>25¢ on manapoolunderrated card!I'm putting it in three decks
>>98322643>LARPer pretending 5c commanders don't exist
>>98322663It's harder to make that argument when the person making it is part of the demographic that only knows the game exists as a result of UB slop (which ramped up massively after 2023). It comes off as being someone with no self-awareness.
>>98322830I play it in picrel.Flash is basically haste and getting to bounce it for a second scoop is funny.
>>98322643I agree. Cromat ruined the game with cEDH Hermit Druid.
>playing in bracket 3>buddy playing Kona>turn 3 gets a bunch of big things out like Kodama and something that grants boardwide hexproof >we dont have any answers>he passes>his turn 4 comes around>even more huge things>he passes>turn 5>combos Last March into Craterhoof and Ibex and kills us all This seems a bit fast idk, do we just kill Kona on sight and don't even let him tap?
>>98322601Chaos Warp was a deliberate pie break for EDH in 2011, gramps.
>>98322909>he actually thinks a kona deck is cedh tier just because it killed the pod with a god draw and nobody interrupted it
>>98322830I run it in a Rashmi flash themed deck, carrys its weight quite well
>>98322466The problem is that hybrid cards are both colors and since we're an eternal format you can play color hate. So not only does it subvert the color rule of commander, it allows angle shooters to argue that their dominus of fealty was actually cast using only red mana so pyroblast doesn't work.
>>98322772Youre rightThe game was better before wotc's involvment in 2011
>>98322952right that's why rhystic will forever be legal just as sheldon intended
>>98322938...Okay? So you correct them the same way you would correct someone playing Kenrith.
>>98322924i don't think it's cedh or anything, that ends games by turn 2-3 right? was just expecting to be able to do more than>land, pass (x2)>land, cast a creature>land, cast my commander>land, counterspell one of his enchants>don't even get a next turn because i dieat least it was a quick "gg go next"
>>98322868This is the dumbest post I have ever seen on /edhg/ Congratulations
>>98322938>a mono color commander can helm a 5c deck>but god forbid a multicolor card like dominus of fealty be in mono color it might cause rules issuesidiot
>>98322957I correct them by pointing out that they're playing a blue and red card in their mono red list.
>>98322956Just pay the one, unironically
>>98322966I agree that Kenrith shouldn't be considered 5c, that battle is long over though and my opinion lost. I'm going to argue for the current fight which is that hybrid mana is both, not either.
>>98322961>was just expecting to be able to do more thani bet the kona player thought you guys would put up more of an interactive fight
>>98322970Prisoners dilemma. If everyone pays the one, the card is just a bad stax piece. If one person d9esn't pay the one, it's an okay card, generating a small amount of value, and the one guy who didn't pay gets to not pay. If any more than the one guy doesn't pay, the card is immediately broken with insane value, at which point there is just no point in the rest of the players paying.So yes, be responsible, pay the one, but if no one else is, there's no point.
>>98322993>Deckbuilding limitations bad! It should just be 60-card, hell, 40 card with a commander
>tourists calling people newfagsYep this game is deadCan't wait till you all sell your collections and I can buy them upKitchen table will inherent the earth
>>98323002the issue rhystic causes in cedh is not because it can draw a lot of cards, but because cedh refuses to accept the gambling nature of the format (seat order, turn 2 win hands, etc.) and it still clings to draws as a legitimate way of playing the gamepeople should always play for the win if they have it against a rhystic (prolonging the game is better for the rhystic player) but because>nobody wants to be the sacrificial lamb to exhaust the rhystic player's counters>there's no penalty for drawingpeople just tend to durdle to time, note that necro/adnaus also draws a ton of cards but because it requires commitment that would cause the player to lose if things go wrong it's not looked at as badlyrhystic would have a better rep if draws were penalized as losses to force people to play for the win and not have them be forced to durdle and have the rhystic player draw a bunch of cards just because players were doing normal game actions
>>98322601All UB slop should be exiled into its own format where only those cards can be used.
Which Norn takes the least heat for playing? Kinda wanna build a Phyrexian tribals
>>98322830just narset's reversal bro
>>98323140propably the flip one
>>98322968You're not making any sense. The dilemma of "I cast this hybrid card with only red mana so it's immune to pyroblast" at no point relies on the commander's color identity as a premise. That's exactly why Kenrith was used as the example.
>>98323172Yes it does, if you're playing dominus of fealty in a deck that isn't izzet you have to make the claim that hybrid cards are either red or blue and not both depending on the deck they're in or you have an exception to the color rule for hybrid cards
>>98322657Ok, Cassius Marsh. Good luck on that Cali Commander.
>>98323186Your premise is violated by multiple existing cards that have color identity misaligned with their gameplay color. Ramos, Dragon Engine is a card with 5c identity but has zero colors for the purposes of Pyroblast or All Is Dust. Similarly, unless you're profoundly retarded you can't attempt to use PBlast to target an Island or Corrupted Shapeshifter just because they're in a monoblue deck.
>>98323204Yes other cards have different rules. I agree activated abilities shouldn't be applied to a cards commander identity which is why I agreed that Kenrith should be considered mono white.You are correct both of those cards are colorless.What I'm pointing to is that in order to make hybrid cards legal in off colors you either have to make an exception to the rules exclusively for hybrid cards (the worst choice) or you change the rules for hybrid cards to make it so it is either color as opposed to both.
>>98323225>or you change the rules for hybrid cards to make it so it is either color as opposed to both.That's for sure a way worse choice than changing the commander rules say "the mana cost for cards in your 99 must be in your commanders color identity."Which, btw, is what you actually want.
>>98323225Yes Magic is a game built on exceptions that service function over Timmy's idea of aesthetic, good work noticing. It only took your 30 years to realize why the CR is a 311 page document that gets larger every time new cards come out.
>5 color hero commander>look inside>comboslop, plays a few heroes topsWotC needs to die
i'm old enough to remember people arguing why birds of paradise could wield sword of fire and ice and why it shouldn'tsomehow that discussion turned out to be better than arguing why gender iden- i mean color identity is this sacred thing that hybrid cannot touch even though it's been bastardized multiple times by now
>>98323355>"competitive" edh decks>look inside>every single one of them is trying to do a Thoracle or Underworld Breach combo
Does anyone have a pic of that custom card that's the American flag in pips and the effect is "do whatever you want" or something? I think there's an eagle crying on it.
I, personally, would like nothing more than the fundamentals of this game get rooted up one after anotherfuck the colorpie, give everything countersfuck the identity and deck limit, let me play anything I wantbut above allfuck the lore and logic, 13 squirrels vs emrakul all the way every day
>>98323448It blows my mind Thoracle and Breach are from the same set. If Theros Beyond Death never saw print the two best wincons just wouldn't exist.
>>98322437>TQ: What's your favorite thing about 5c commanders?A bunch of them are Slivers.
>>98323147also a good card even though they don't go in all of the same decks>>98322881>getting to bounce it for a second scoop is funny.yes, the look on people's faces when they realize that whoever casts the next juicy spell is going to be baiting a second dragon, is lots of fun lol
>>98322601We've had colorpie exceptions for almost 20 fucking years at this point anon
>>98322663It's a bad take to categorically elevate original sets over UB sets purely on that distinction, it reeks of knowing no ball. Sorry, Dragon's Maze and Aether Revolt were some of the worst sets ever printed! Spider-Man is significantly better!
>>98323989>It's a bad take to categorically elevate original sets over UB sets purely on that distinctionHard disagreeMagic is always better without UB, in no way is shoving IP into magics systems going to yield kino, it's purely a marketing stunt and marketers make poor mtg designers Also you are gay and retarded
>>98323989I know this is bait but Spiderman is genuinely a bottom 5 set, I just wish autismos wouldn't blindly hate on on good UB sets like FF
>>98324012Final Fantasy is automatically a bad set for reminding me of Lightning
>>98323989>Sorry, Dragon's Maze and Aether Revolt were some of the worst sets ever printedhaha yeah>Spider-Man is significantly better!... no
>>98324005I've seen what magic was like before UB and frankly UB has been Atlas for it since its inception.>>98324012>>98324032Spiderman isn't even bottom ten worst sets, WOTC has printed some real stinkers in their time. Some of these I give you a pass on not knowing because they're unc and you wouldn't have been born for another 5-10 years. In no particular order:>Prophecy>Fallen Empires>Saviors of Kamigawa>The Dark>BFZ>Born of the Gods>Chronicles>Dragon's Maze>Aether Revolt>Unfinityhonorable mentions:>Ikoria>Capenna>Aetherdrift>Murders at Karlov Manor
>>98324044>>Dragon's Mazestill no
>>98324044fallen empires is the most ludokino set ever produced
>>98324050Only tourists don't dunk on DGM, set was complete dogshit to draft, complete dogshit to open, easily the worst modern magic set>>98324057I give early sets a little more leeway but many of them were very not good, the only vaguely notable cards out of FEM (yes, thats its actual set code) is High Tide and the sacland cycle
>>98324012Sorry, I'm not queer so the FF set has nothing "good" to offer me.>>98324044>likes Neon DynastyOpinion disregarded.
>>98324069gtc was literally a worse draft environment, dgm+gtc+rtr was fine even though it had too many cluestoneswas it a bad set well yeah it was underpowered, was it worse than spooderman absolutely fucking not
>>98324084>t. drafted no spiderman
I like sets that have cool cards in them
>>98324090I did draft Spider-Man, in fact I drafted it in person and on arena until I got bored of picking gw every single time, and incidentally the experience was quite reminiscent of drafting gtc in that half the pod could be in one color pair and it would still be wrong not to pick your 3rd Spectacular Tactics / Skyknight Legionnaire
>Foil Borderless Buster Sword at $200Holy fuck lmao
https://moxfield.com/decks/QfSL-XwVOESa9KEeJD9wogare these the only ticket cards in WB? might not be viable as a main mechanic
>>98324044>honorable mentions:>Capenna>AetherdriftThese sets were hated because of their aesthetic themes mostly. Capenna was a really bad draft but didn't contain anything outright broken for constructed and has a lot of fun but fair build arounds for EDH. Aetherdrift was actually a fun set to draft and looking past start your engines actually has a lot of playables. Niggas just got mad about the cars.Born of the Gods remains my most hated set. Opened so much of that one and all of it was as worthless as the cardboard it was printed on. Spirit of the Labyrinth is the only card from it I still play.
>>98323989>>98324012Spider-man was still worse than Lorwyn Eclipsed. Same as Avatar. Final Fantasy was far more glazed than the Marvel set. They all suck compared to Dragonstorm or Edge of Eternities.
Bow down to the one true queen of mono green, peasant
>>98324209>Edge of EternitiesThe best and most creative set WotC has made in years. Honestly I don't know how they managed to pull it off.
>>98324205UB hatred is purely aesthetic too so its pretty fitting
>>98323098I don't care about cedh
>>98323565Unfortunately Thoracle is "just" an evolution of Lab Man which was a game-warping wincon even back in 2011. Getting rid of Thoracle doesn't really fix the problem that Lab Man introduced by turning a loss condition into a wincon.
>>98323140On its face, Elesh Norn. Actually reading into the card, though, Mother of Machines is the most acceptable.
Speaking of older sets, is there anything good in Battle for Zendikar? Went to my LGS to buy sleeves and noticed they had some packs from that still there on display.
>>98324329If you get lucky the expeditions are all worth a pretty penny. Main set is Ulamog or bust and it's still not a huge money card. Prepare to be let down if you rip it.
>>98324305Ward - (1) or 2 life seems innocuous enough, will flipping her to Saga mode turn the whole table on me?
damn he shits all over low level brackets
>>98324209>DragonstormWe are not starting this again
>>98324403I wasted so much time trying to make this pos work for my Standard Dimir Rats deckI don't know why the Dimir Rat legendary for the set had nothing to do with the tribe's theme but fuck Wizards for doing that
>>98324044There's a large recency bias with most players because they didn't play the game before 2023. They don't fully grasp how the worst Magic sets weren't the ones that generated tons of hype online about how it's totally the end of UB forever. They were the 2nd/3rd sets of a block that was so bland and uninteresting nobody cared about them. People say blocks made the story better (lol) but sets 2/3 of a block sold poorly so often that WotC dropped them the moment they actually had the resources to develop set 1-sized sets all year.
>>98324424he says, 4th set into NYC block
>>98324044>MFW liked Murders at Karlov Manor and Capenna It's no Avacyn restored but they still worked for me more than Outlaws of Thunder Junction with its nogunz in a cowboy setting bullshit
>>98324210She might be the queen, but Azusa is the princess.
>>98324044At least older sets had the excuse of: the designers had no idea what they were doing at the time, the internet wasn't as robust a feedback machine, the cards had generally good art, and/or there wasn't a massive top down push to sell cards regardless of quality. Older sets sucked by mistake.Spider Man has no excuse. The designers know full well now what does and doesn't work, they know what is and isn't popular among fans, the art is fucking garbage even on a technical level, and there was no love or effort put into it beyond cold calculating corpocapitalism from out of touch boomer execs who are 15 years behind popular trends.Spiderman is the worst set ever made (so far) because they knew better than to make it and could have done better making it but still made it anyways and they phoned everything about it in. There is no excuse, they just didn't give a fuck.
I really just want to know what the fuck Gambit's card is gonna be like so I can start to theorycraft and build a themed deck around since he's the one Marvel guy I will do the basedboy point at when I see him in stuff
>>98324518Spiderman was clearly pressured into being a full draftable set from the original plan to be like an AC micro-set. If you look at it side by side with TMNT for whatever design decisions there were it was clearly much more intentionally designed and worked through.I'm hesitant to call it the worst set ever, only because I started playing back in Mirrodin, so I don't know shit about how older sets were received, but compared to other recent releases it was pretty flat. Some sets are crazy and wild failures on account of being experimental and interesting, SPM is mostly just bland with the added problem that over half the cards are capital S "Spiderman", turning tables into a comedy routine "I'm going to swing with spiderman" "I block with spiderman" "Well I'm going to webswing spiderman for spiderman..."
>>98324210*blocks your nuts*
>>98324210That’s not Selvala.
Finally, it is complete!
>>98324210
>>98324564That's one ugly "woman">>98324210Secret Tifa-tech
>>98324558He's a heterosexual white male so knowing WotC it will not be good.
>>98324597Quality bracket 4 pile with some questionable choices. I envy that Jeska's Will tho
>>98324558>[TAP], Exile a card from your hand, then you must insert random French words into every sentence you speak for the rest of the game. For as long as you manage this, you can cast the exiled card.>Whenever you cast a card exile with Gambit, he deals 3 damage to each opponent.
>>98324734>jeska'sThanks, nabbed it from my LGS for an okay price. What changes would you make? I'm pretty open to trying new things out, if I don't like it then it can just become trade bait.
>>983244284th set of a block that's actually selling well, contrasting basically every other block in history where sales went down over time.
When will Wizards make another version of this that hasn't been power-crept? I want to cast a big wurm while searching my library and slam it down and not have the table laugh at my 9/5.
>ban most of the banlist>bring back the old tuck rule>bring back the old legendary rule>ban UB by defaultThere. I fixed the format.
>>98324564>>98324210Is this what passes for mtg art nowadays
>made my first friend at my local game shop playing MTG>he's depressed and wants to kill himselfLmao what luck...
I am on a huge biomass kick. I just watched The Thing and replayed Carrion (great game). What is a commander for this vibe? I'll play Prototype in the meanwhile.
>>98324851
>>98324841>Is this what passes for mtg art nowadaysYep!
>>98324856(2020) That was the start of the end
>>98324856>>98324871Me bottom right.
>>98324800That would go great in my Selvala deck!
>>98324728Honestly even if he's total dogshit with no abilities in a color I don't enjoy like Blue or Black, I'll still make something since he's my GOAT>>98324740I got some Cajun family so I actually can manage that, fuck yeah
>>98324841It's an attractive woman with large breasts, you should be impressed the MTG artists drew it without killing themselves>>98324856Grim
>>98324903>It's an attractive woman with large breasts, you should be impressed the MTG artists drew it without killing themselvesIt never ceases to amaze me the difference between old stuff and now. Even ATLA had attractive women. But now everyone has to be brown, gay, flat chested. Basically this >>98324871When you start playing with multiple UB sets though it just gets so fucking sloppy. Cloud on a fucking skateboard from TMNT with a chainsaw from an 80s horror film. I'm so over it. At least I can play cube with my friends. They like my cubes. Some are UB set cubes but most are older cards, my mono blue cube is a particular favorite for my group.
>>98324953That never happens in FF cards btw
>>98324953>with a chainsaw from an 80s horror filmthat's UW though so you can't be mad at it
>>98324953>Cloud on a fucking skateboard from TMNT with a chainsaw from an 80s horror filmI know you're trying to make a point with that, anon, I get it, but that sounds like the coolest fucking thing ever
Teysa looks like a hooker
Do you play with banned cards? How does your group feel about it?>also post decks
>>98324383She's a much better Norn's Annex, but yes, I do mean the flip side being a reusable boardwipe + overrun effect, yeah, and flipping her having an inconsiquential mana cost (after the first activation since each activation gives you 5 token creatures)
>>98325112I only play FF cards and they're all legal, nice deck btw
>>98325030Man, Duskmourn could have been kino if they cut all the retarded 80s tech shit and just made it haunted house world. It's like 70% Victorian-esque aesthetics and then randomly there's some dweeb in a bright jacket carrying a toaster. Lame.
>>98325176It was kino though>VictorianVictorian is no more fantasy than modern.
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>>98325184If you don't understand why having a smattering of 80s do-dads and retards in bright spandex is anachronistic with the primary aesthetic of the plane, I can't help you. Hint: it has nothing to do with Modern aesthetics being more or less "fantasy" than the Victorian.
>Pod I usually play in got interested in cedh>Sure I'll give it a go I guess>Try it, its fine, has its problems but every format does>Try to go back to regular bracket 3 ass magic>Pod just outright refuses to play casual anymore>"But anon I like cedh because we're all on the same power level">Literally the same game every week of just blue farm/kinnan/etali slop>"meta" in the lgs is now incredibly stale, boring, and predictableI'm tired boss.
>>98322601But you don’t understand, spider-man has to be izzet because his costume is red and blue
>>98325267People here were literally complaining that he wasn't Izzet back during spiderman spoilers.
>>98325276What do you expect of ubpiggies?
How do you make a deck with different lines of play without spreading yourself thin and hurting your consistency?
>>98325276he's a wisecracking nerd with super instincts, if it wasn't for the fact that he needed to define himself in comparison to 92 other Spiders-Men, of which he is "the generic one", I think izzet would have been the best fit for him (although if there was exactly one Spider-Man card, wotc would have made him Jeskai for edh purposes lol)>>98324841you know how somewhat awkward guys have always brought somewhat cringe alters, yknow like "this is my Azusa deck except uhhh it's Azusa from K-On" or "it's Rakdos Lord of Riots but it's Madara Uchiha". yeah well wizards realized they could sell pre-altered cards to these unfortunate retards, so picrel is 70 bucks lol.>>98324210I always thought green was a weird pick for her but that's UB for you
>>98325318You don't. They will 100% be hurt. You can mitigate that by only including the best pieces of each line and having way more draw, way more.
Can someone explain why Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are good in cEDH and bracket 4? It seems that the card disadvantage would be greater than the fast mana, especially if the card or land you're exiling is needed for the deck. If you're just going to exile it, then why did you even include it in the first place?
>>98325326Now I make based alters of cringe pre-altered cards to make them in-universe.
>>98322437Dollhouse of Horrors. I have my commander on my graveyard and I activate the dollhouse, then I move my commander into the command zone instead of the graveyard. The token is created regardless. I just did this on arena so I know it's a legal move. I'd like some rules lawyers to point me to the relevant rules in action because I know I will need this information when trying to pull this off on paper this weekend.
>>98325340Well for one, Mox Diamond doesn't exile the land. Two just simply don't imprint a card you know you'll need.>If you're just going to exile it, then why did you even include it in the first place?Oh wait you're an actual 30 IQ retard, not even going to bother any further.
>>98325318>how do I A, while also A'?at least you've identified the contradiction. but as anon says, you can't. this is the tradeoff of all tradeoffs in deck building. but don't despair, because this is where the fun begins. especially in edh, where "win at all costs" is explicitly not the goal of deckbuilding.
>>98325340The CA and tutors are so powerful in these brackets the card disadvantage from the fast mana rocks is worth it in exchange for turboing out a combo win or value enginelike Rhystic.
>>98325354>then I move my commander into the command zone instead of the graveyard.I meant instead of the exile zone.
>>98325340Tell that to pitch evoke cards. Value for no mana in ridiculously good, especially when it generates permanent resources. The card you pitch is whatever is the situationally worst card you have in your hand, it's not included in the deck just to pitch, and card draw is pretty easy to come by, though often you're just tutoring for you wincons so the cards in your hand that don't do that aren't that important.>t. Guy who watches non-cedh competitive
>>98325354Yeah, it doesn't continually reference the exiled card, just when you pay the cost, so it works. It would not work with something like imprint since the exiled card needs to be continually referenced.Did you mean to post here, cause the TQ in the antiub thread fits more.
>>98325354it's the same exact rule that puts your commander in the command zone when it dies. >903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704.you exile your commander from your gy with Dollhouse.>is your commander in a graveyard or in exile?yup, it's in exile. >was it put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked?yup, it used to be in the graveyard and now it's in exile.therefore you may put it into your command zone as a statebased action. decks that attempt to reanimate their commander also take advantage of this rule if someone plays a Rest in Peace or whatever.
>>98325341theoretically based, but I don't believe you until you post at least one that you made.
>>98325382Sadly just paper proxies (the tawnos one isn't ub, it's just an ugly card). I need to see if my library will print color on card stock.
What is the most likely next UB that is also most likely to asshurt this genera massivelyl?
>>98325394>Experiment One with Momir's face on itI'm dying lol. I love these
>>98325395there are literally no remaining UB properties that are not terrible ideas.my guess for next year is X-Men + Legend of Korra + 1 new property which will also be terrible
>>98325412Elderscrolls and souls-shit fits fine and has plenty of content.
I really, really miss the old legendary rule. The way it works now, legendary is practically meaningless. Cards like this would seriously change games, and make people rethink their strategies.
>>98325416Most of them got fired yesterday, 80% more or less never gonna happen
>>98325412>there are literally no remaining UB properties that are not terrible ideas.Except for:Elder ScrollsWarcraft/DotAGod of WarDragon Quest Legend of ZeldaAny Soulslike seriesThere are so many Swords-and-Sorcery themes out there that Magic players would love to sink money into if it became a UB set
>>98325425I am not going to spend time trying to figure out what the fuck this means.
>>98325431she deserved better...
>>98325434Why are you such a passive agressive fruity?
what is next on GōtC's roadmap for this year? When are we getting more reality fracture spoilers and is it true its not going to be a planar chaos set with new cards in different colors and just in universe characters in different colors (so essentially, fucking stupid)how about that card "vandals edit" 1wb draw 2 cards and each player loses 2 life. are they going to print that standalone or not
>>98325431>Elder Scrollsnever gonna happen now
>>98325441Firings in video games have nothing to do with anything.
>>98325416Do the people that could have even ok'd that even exist at Microsoft anymore? We might literally see Abstracted Jax Massacre Girl and Bubble Trinisphere before a Dagoth Ur god card since that company is currently imploding. Here's hoping for a Humanity token someday.
>>98325444>Um is microsoft even aware of this absurdly massive IP?Your opinion is microsoft will never use elderscrolls (despite confirming the game is still being made) because...reasons.
>>98325421I took a long break from magic and was really surprised a few months ago when I played Clone targeting someone's commander (this was on magic online) and it didn't kill them. what the actual fuck
>>98325443It's your right to believe that, lol.
>>98325443I don't think you realize just how much Microsoft literally gutted the core of Bethesda recently. We'll be lucky to even still have Todd at this rate.
>>98325444>Abstracted JaxTADC would sure cause seethe.
>>98325416Dark Souls (or rather Elden Ring) is the most fitting crossover that hasn't been done yet but I question whether they can swing it.But I forgot about Elder Scrolls, that seems obvious given that Fallout already happened. so there's my prediction, Korra + X-Men and Elder Scrolls as the summer set.>>98325425how many Beth / MS staff really need to be involved in a UB set? I feel like they would just send a couple of guys to rubber stamp card designs and artwork
>>98325450Stop projecting whatever gamer drama you think I'm holding onto me, retard. No one thinks TESVI is cancelled.
>>98325456You're arguing with a faggot that's never wrong btw. I can smell him from here literally.
>>98325431GoW would suck and the rest I just don't think are gonna happen except for TES maybethey would get my ass to the LGS for a Zelda set and I'm very ashamed to admit that... but I don't think it'll happen
>>98325441why would elder scrolls not do a magic thing now? its been super long overdue and almost BIZAARE that it hasn't been done yet. so many iconic things that actually FIT magic, like LOTR and final fantasy unlike RACE CARS and NUKES and SPACE SHITseriously shit like Gray Fox's Cowl and Nightingale Blade, Chillrend, Daedric Sword so many great potential equipment tons of actual flavorful shit for thieves (rogues) various mages/wizards. get a reprint of Demonic Tutor with an oblivion gate on itstuff from all the games would fit but stuff from oblivion and Skyrim and even Morrowind would make the shit have chase cards not far behind LOTR and FF IMO
>>98325459Would play that shit alongside the Spongebob and Fortnite cards desu. Want to make the gayest deck I possibly can with exclusively UB slop over the years.
>>98325431>God of WarWe already had that.
>>98325481We also already have Warcraft cards too, I'm assuming he means a full on set with each of those.
>>98325477Company is exploding right now, and if it happens it will be like in 2030 when TES:6 releases and either be a total failure, or a gaming defining moment. But as it stands? Not happening.
>>98325485>We also already have Warcraft cards too... we do?
>>98323735Are you genuinely retarded?We have had color pie exceptions since the 1993. You can pick literally any point in Magic's history and find color pie breaks.
>>98325421The legend rule was never good in any iteration.
>>98325493>>98325485No?
>>98325493Yeah you have the Blood Bowl secret lair cards. :^)
>>98325493Yea, Hearthstone lol
>>98324044>ChroniclesIncluding a glorified core set is both disingenuous and outs you as a larper who wasn't playing at the time either.
>>98325491oh bummer. well with how long they take to make games nowadays some big changes were necessary. I dont think that affects wizards making UB sets though. they have to sign off on the stuff but wizards takes all the materials, lore style guides etc and makes the cards themselves. as far as I understand
>>98324044chronicles was great and allowed tons of lower priced reprints of shit that was getting pricy and now today are still cheap versions of Arabian nights and legends cards only coomlectors thought it was a bad set
>>98325421No that's a retarded idea
>>98325514Maybe this will be a good thing after all, a TES set with literally zero actual influence from modern day Bethesda, purely based on the lore they put into their Pocket Guide to the Empire.
>>98325421Nigga the card is literally CLONE, you CLONED their guy. Do you think you would suddenly die if someone CLONED YOU?
>>98325510>Core sets don't count because... they just don't!I'm sure everyone hated Foundations.
>>98325524>>98325535You don't understand bro blue needs more kill spells. It's not enough to run Pongify I also need my kill spell to also be a wincon with Felidar Guardian.
>>98325535yeah because you cant be in two places at once retard
Capcom allowing a UB set is more realistic than an Elder Scrolls set btw and yes I remember that horrendous Monster Hunter Secret Lair shit lol
>>98325567I'M A BIG GUY.
the original legend rule was pretty flavorful but they weren't concerned with the lore too much given the existence of clone effects and eventually Ascendant Evincar, maybe some others I'm forgetting >>98325567yeah there's this famous arc in Spider-Man called the Clone Saga where Spider-Man sees a clone of himself and they both just wink out of existence
>>98325570the Fallout decks already happened though, what's the problem?and what would a Capcom set be, even? Resident Evil? Street Fighter? Megaman? Just every Capcom thing all at once? Marvel vs Capcom without the Marvel? eurgh now that I've written it I realize that's what they would actually do. never mind.
Hey fellers, I’m working on a Jund deck where I’m sacrificing rat colonies for value. I haven’t had time to organise a land base but are there any decent recursion engines you would recommend?https://archidekt.com/decks/24153978/flying_freak_leader_of_the_rodent_freaks
>>98325581I pay 2 to equip my Birds of Paradise with Jill's Samurai Edge giving +2/+0 and whenever a creature blocks a creature equipped with Jill's Samurai Edge, roll a d20. 1- critical miss, detach samurai edge 2-19: BURY target creature since it just got shot by a GUN 20: exile target creature
>>98325583I like running shit like Gravepurge or Forever Young since it's pretty easy to redraw your rats with shit like Skull Clamp and the like. Top of Library is barely a step away from them being in hand in decks like this.There's also Cauldron of Essence of Cauldron of Eternity for repeatable revive effects, though Eternity shoves them to bottom of deck so you gotta shuffle if you want to find your rats again.
>>98325595>buryI played re1 and the enemies I shot could most definitely be regenerated
>>98325480I hope you're excited for the upcoming Kpop Demon Hunters Secret Lair drop.
>>98325595>BARRY target creature
>>98325595>Flavor text: It's really powerful, especially against living things.
>>98325601Unironically yeah.
>>98325581>Devil May Cry and Resident Evil have a decent amount of enemies to turn into legend and non-legend guys + the protags. Could be a decent dual IP UB>Monster Hunter has a fuck ton of choices on every front, could honestly be it's own setI doubt we'll get a capcom UB as a full on set but I do admit it'd be nice to get a monster hunter set.
>>98325412>Legend of KorraThey definitely want to do this for all the virtue signal gay points they'd earn, but there's no way they can justify it with the netflix show and new animated movie flopping so hard.
>>98325615>animated movie floppingAnimated movie is only flopping because they pulled it from a theatrical release so someone spite leaked it
>>98325412Witcher would be pretty gud
>>98325599hey that crimson head shit in REmake is not canon!
>>98325603hell yeah>>98325609oh yeahjust come on, guns in magic? I guess with cars and spaceships and everything its anything goes and I love resident evil. and I'm not anti gun in the least bit. but the FLAVOR
>>98325677Crimson Heads were a great idea that further made you manage resources
>>98325682NTA but I'm going to remain assmad that the cowboy plane didn't have fucking guns. I actually would fuck with a Secret Lair that was from the Dollars franchise that actually, you know, gave cowboys guns
>>98325682>guns in magic
>>98325405Thanks. It's meant to be after he was killed, that maybe he was absorbed by project kraz and lived on after kraz was put into dormency then dismantled. Momir making cytoplasts was as close as I could find to a mutant that turns creatures into mutants.
>>98324851My chance to throw out the deep cut of The Ever-Changing Dane
>>98325687then what is this?! other than being a snarky reference to a Clapton cover of a Jamaican pot head's song I think this also indicates firearms of some typealthough I didnt get back into magic until after this set I did pick up a single of this card just for the LULZ
>>98325702He looks wicked but his ability, outside of being a sac outlet in the command zone, is pretty sad.
>>98325677Aren't they literally in the newest one lmao?
>>98325702Also here's a deck literally called The Thinghttps://moxfield.com/decks/JvkgvifWg0GIsemdRGTueA
>Finally get a gooner set>UB Monster HunterI want off this wild ride.
Alright /edhg/, now that the dust has settled, who is the better Squirrel commander?
>>98325850I want to have sex with the one on the right so her
>>98325850Squirrel girl has better flavor but it comboslops too easily, it should've just been squirrellink.Chatterfang is better at lower power tables but it's boring.
kambal's a comfy 'mander
>>98325850I want to have sex with the one on the left so him
>let's make a big ass battlecruiser deck! >hmm 37 creatures seems a bit too much but we'll ignore it for now>better get a couple of board clears and spells to use as I'm getting my mana ready for my late game creatures>counter spells, right better get that>maybe some auras>Fuck, creature protection, I need that too>gonna need a shit ton of land ramp if i want to start slamming down big fuckers within the year>oh right and single target removal and interaction always hear 15 is a magic number for that, OK cool>mfw 108 cards before lands evenFuck
>>98325972ALWAYS add lands first. Moxfield even has a button that does that automatically for you
>>98325990>adding lands before knowing the pip distributionsub room temp IQ post
>>98326040They're placeholders retard. You don't need to know the pip distribution, you just start swapping them out when you fill out the rest of your deck.
IS 3dog viable?
>>98325583Illicit Masquerade might be decent. Note lack of the words "if you do" on the exile trigger, so it works with tokens and lets you reanimate the same creature over and over, as long as you have creatures with impostor counters on them. You can also cast in response to a board wipe, and stack the triggers so you get all but one thing back.
Thinking of making an Angel Voltron deck, which of these would work with it best?
>>98326090>Universes beyond masquerading as universes beyond masquerading as universes beyondwe NEED to go deeper
>>98325421It was always fine in EDH but the rule was retarded cancer in 60 card formats. Mirrors with legends and planeswalkers were so bullshit with the old rule. It had to die for the sanity of tournament grinders.
>put together a cheapo golbez deck>cast like 20 artifacts on turn 5hmmm this might be stronger than I thought
>>98326347>ubtourist doesn't know how to evaluate card powermany such cases
>>98325421Legendary is a meaningless mechanic in EDH>>98325499Zoomerpilled take
>>98326377I just wanted to find a good attractions commander
>>98325573He's got that :3 in him.
>>98325573ikoria's giant monsters shoulda just been on zendikar it's cooleryknow thinking back maybe that was actually peak wotc woke
>>98325965Guys, look. Anonymous took a previous reply, copypasted it, and inverted it. Isn't this hilarious? Ha ha, hey look at this funny and original joke! My sides are split!...(Said nobody)
>>98326530You're just jealous because you wanted to have sex with Chatterfang, but now he is taken
>>98326530Oh my god that's so fucking funny it makes me want to merge without looking.
>>98325360Perfect, I will continue to split focus between blood artist effects and go wide aggro in my clavileño deck
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>>98326722I know this is a joke, but it brings up a larger question of why are players so bad at designing cards (especially hate pieces). It's genuinely always shit like "1 mana in color I play (regardless of which color). Hexproof and indestructible and split second and can't leave the battlefield even if you lose the game. Turns off every mechanic I don't like." It's like they saw how Leyline of the Void warped GY design (arguably resulting in even more powercreep on GY-centric mechanics to offset this, resulting in matchups being even more polarized depending on whether or not you had it in your opening hand) and said "okay but what if there was a card that would warp this mechanic's card design 10 times more?
>>98326747just path it dude
>>98326747
>>98326752May I ask why it needs indestructible as a 1-drop?>>98326755Timmy discount, costs 2 mana (seriously, the custom hate pieces ALWAYS cost 1 mana unless they're deliberately a joke), protection effect is fakest ward cost ever printed. I don't think it's a particularly good design either, but there's still clear differences from 99% of custom card posts.
>>98326768you are right, this needs to be a 8 mana niche hate piece
>>98326790You realize there's many successful examples of hate pieces that, in fact, are not 1-drops that have inbuilt protection, right?
>>98326802yeah, and those are expensive, good design card. (lel) Doro Fish is clearly a premium. The others have card draw premium. Doro Fish only punishes those with Doro Fish, not card draw for you.
>>98326807Yes anon, you're very clever making a 1-drop that turns off every mechanic you don't like and giving it indestructible because you're afraid your card that costs 1 mana might not instantly win the matchup.
>>98326543Chatterfang belongs SKULL FIRST up my AAAAAASS with the rest of the SHIT.
>>98326233I like Sigarda the most on that list due to her built in protection, but consider her sister in a Voltron style deck, she's great with a haste enabler
>>98326941Man, Wizards of the Coast really looked at art like this, and went "nah, let's make our game about Joe Schmoe and Betty wearing a hat."
I play Commander with my wife. She is more into Magic than I am (I used to be more 'into' it, now I see myself as a casual). My wife build a new decklist for herself using a new Marvel card as the Commando and she was up all night looking at card-singles. She's picking up the cards today, she is all excited about it. I am going to buy a new precon for myself to play so I also have new cards to play so I can match her excitement. I am looking forward to playing tonight.
>>98326831I’ll give you a real answer. There doesn’t exist any design space for copy hate. It’s incredibly niche. That niche, operates like cursed totem, silent gravestone, vexing bauble, wheel of torture etc. If I wanted a real card today:reality fractureTeferi’s Punishment Cube2All triggered abilities have “and you lose 2 life”.1, sacrifice this artifact: each player puts all cards they own in exile face down in a new pile and you draw a card.
>>98326831>NOOOOOOO YOU CANT JUST PAY 1 MANA AND FLASH IN A 1 DROP ARTIFACT THAT BOTH STOPS BOARDWIPES AND ALSO STOPS EXTRA TURNS>PLEASE THIS POWER CREEP IS TOO HIGH!!!
>>98326964Have fun anon
>>98327000Yes anon it's cute that you can keep pretending indestructible isn't a line of text you included on your card while also making it broader in scope.
>>98327011That wasn’t me jackass
>>98326991The real reason is because copy hate is itself very niche so there's not much reason to play it. See cards like Whirlwind Denial, Tishiana's Tidebinder, or the more recent Glen Elendra's Answer which are potentially colossal blowouts while still being fairly versatile, yet they're unplayed simply because the play pattern isn't widespread enough to merit the premium. Your card would suffer a similar issue where it's a card that would generate a lot of social media engagement until it actually comes out, after which it's relegated to shortform content videos where people LARP playing it into someone with 50 upkeep/landfall triggers. I suspect for triggered abilities in particular they don't want to print the type of effect you made because it would be extremely annoying to track, as cards like Rhystic Study and Smothering Tithe demonstrate.
>>98327042I see those all the time, in fact, someone won last night by glen elendra’s answer all of the impact triggers from a bazillion etbs from krenko, and copied molten gatekeeper then won last night. I see it played constantly, same with consign to memory. Also, I don’t see the relevance of ‘paying tax’ when plenty of other replacement effects and stax effects exist. Lastly, variety is the spice of life.
>>98327051>I see it all the timeAnecdotes are not representative of a larger population. I could say I see people running Craw Wurm all the time and it always wins. That doesn't make the statement statistically significant for larger card design. This anecdote of yours also directly undermines the notion that triggered ability hate isn't available specifically because you say it's played regularly and wins.>I don't see the relevance of "paying tax"Needing to track added information for your opponents makes it extremely easy to miss and typically results in large slowdowns specifically because now time needs to be allocated to ensuring every trigger is paid for properly. Contrast more recent cards like Dress Down which generally simplify the board state while active, rather than increase its complexity.>Variety is the spice of lifeThis statement is very limited in scope since there are many card designs people broadly do not want to see again just for the sake of variety. I'm sure you have a few you can name. The fact you're designing a hate piece in the first place is indicative that there's play patterns you want to see less often.
>>98327081Well I guess since there’s no conceivable way to gather any statistical information on kitchentable magic in my garage or at any lgs beyond attendance, all information becomes anecdotal and you can fuck off with your experiences as well, in addition to whatever spiel you have on balance. Just because I run creature removal doesn’t mean I hate creatures, it’s just random idea for a method to interact with the ever growing copy and ability doubling stack.
>>98326233Sigarda would make the best voltron, but bruna would be much more fun as a deck overall.
>>98327000>keeping up 5 mana all the time in case of boardwipesIf your board's that big, I guess, but at that point, unless your meta has tons of boardwipes, you're better off just winning, no? Unless you're using it for your own boardwipe, but then flash and keeping mana up doesn't matter.
>>98327105A sample size of 9.3 million gathered by a third party tends to be received as more useful information than personal anecdotes. The reality is that in the current state of the game it's not resource-efficient to invest in trigger hate because despite lots of trigger doublers existing, very few of them are effective enough to be the most effective option when in reality most of the time they end up making a deck less consistent with a more visible chokepoint. Coin flip cards are also increasing in number over time, but that doesn't mean we need cards that guarantee opponents lose coin flips, specifically because ever since Stitch In Time got printed, WotC realized they didn't want to make powerful cards that relied immensely on coin flips anymore (very different from making any cards that relied on a coin flip).With all that being said, in custom card world I don't think any design is fully outside the realm of possibility, so trigger hate in some form might be possible, but I definitely don't think it would manifest in the form of Masquerade the Blazing Dragon for triggers.
>>98327126When boards become big enough to save, it’s better to hold onto mana to disrupt game plans. Ive used it to block an expropriate storm with just 1 mana, I’ve also used it with tragic arrogance and coercive portal. >>98327142>sample size>9.3 million>3rd party>extremely high cardinality dataMeaningless without provenance, gathering methods, and 3rd party to what, even, makes me more distrusting of the source. Beyond all of that - your inference of the findings likely doesn’t reflect the ‘sampling’ findings.
>>98327161https://edhrec.com/faqYou didn't even try.
>>98327081>>98327105>>98327142You guys are arguing about whether or not triggered abilities are relevant in a format with Thassa's Oracle and Craterhoof Behemoth.
>>98327170If you examined the discussion more closely, situations where only one important trigger needs to resolve are not the target circumstance of the discussion.
>>98327174Okay Mr $5 Words but categorical trigger hate is still, in some capacity, always going to be relevant.
>>98327192The specifics greatly influence the shape of the desired card effect.>1 triggerStifle>Many triggersSummary DismissalNotice these two cards are very different despite both addressing triggers.
>>98327168Try what? Edhrec salt score, which is an annual online survey? Where not only does it not align with anything you’ve said, but it’s ‘distinct’ visitors is based on ip, which doesn’t mean that many people. It doesn’t even touch most commander players. Additionally, the salt score does not reflect design space critique or hygiene, only mass disruption of untaps and instant wins and extreme value engines. A slice of permanently online players giving their opinion on what cards ‘feel bad’ on a 0-4 temperature
>>98325687WotC is a woke company therefore guns can only exist when they denounce them.
>>98326312No it wasn't. It kept the flavor. It removed both, as it should. Don't like it? Don't play them then. Sideboards existed.
>>98327215but they are both blue. design space needs to have other ways to deal with the stack. not the same way, of course.
>>98327242>sideboards existand yet they don't in edh so yeah if i can't have my outside the game tutors then you don't get to keep your flavor, swings and roundabouts
>>98327255I personally agree (green stifles are a pet mechanic of mine), but it's fairly clear WotC doesn't. Counterspells have been bitched incessantly about since the game's release and it's fairly evident they don't want to keep pushing the envelope given how comically bad white and red stack interaction are by comparison. Hell, I watched an argument in a custom card server the other day about a 3 mana orzhov card that said "Destroy target creature or counter target creature spell" and apparently it made people livid that orzhov might be able to deny a creature's etb (never mind Withering Boon is a real card that sucked so much ass nobody played it, apparently that was a huge design mistake).
>>98327215You're making a "just always have it" argument.
>>98327305Yes that's how reactive cards work. If you have them in the right situation they do something useful. Unless you're arguing a stax piece is somehow exempt from this premise because you can place it on the board rather than keep it in your hand.
Bro my opponent draws his commander every gameIs he cheating?
>>98327359>Unless you're arguing a stax piece is somehow exempt from this premiseIt is though.
>>98327359>If you have them in the right situation they do something useful.That's true for every card, but it's not that good of a standard.I don't give a shit about anon's Glen Del anecdote because it's pretty much just a story where someone won with a counterspell, and countering a triggered ability through a single triggered ability runs into a less extreme problem that countermagic presents in this format in being a single answer to a stack that doesn't account for the rest of the table. Counterspell itself doesn't mean that Rule of Law shouldn't exist.
>>98327403>and countering a triggered ability through a single triggered abilityI meant to say "countering a single triggered ability with a single card"
Why the fuck is the dr. doom deck so god damn expensive?My LGS is charging ninety-five fucking dollars for it. The value of the individual cards isn't that much higher than the other decks.
>>98327419Doom is a popular character rn cause of the upcoming movie and Marvel Rivals
>>98327359>Unless you're arguing a stax piece is somehow exempt from this premise because you can place it on the board rather than keep it in your handNTA but wouldn't it be better since it's giving consistent value and is far more fire and forget due to only needing the mana for it once for one turn, versus multiple turns of letting mana float just on the offchance you can go "ah ha!" and counter them from hand?
>>98327419Doom doesn’t demand a high price tag!The players simply take it upon themselves to recognize greatness.
>>98327419Molecule Man and Black Market Connections reprint
>>98327450There's multiple different issues stax pieces run into that reactive cards don't.>People bitch about them more, let's not waste more time on this point>They are much more susceptible to removal, especially now. If someone uses Shadow of Doubt most colors are just fucked, but most colors can kill Aven Mindcensor for a favorable mana swing>They tend to cost more mana or be more narrow in scope (see above comparison of Shadow of Doubt VS Aven Mindcensor). While you don't have to hold up the mana every turn, you'll typically have to spend more (the hierarchy tends to go that the permanent costs more than the removal spell, which costs more than the protection spell)>Your opponent will not commit resources into them unless they're profoundly retarded. This is why cards like Aven Mindcensor started receiving flash. For example, nobody will willingly self-mill 20 into a Rest In Peace sitting on the battlefield, so stax pieces tend to be more focused on delaying the problem rather than resolving it.>Because of the above point, they're harder to recognize the impact of (as the person using it). It takes more experience to reverse engineer when your opponent isn't playing cards because they don't have them, versus because they're locked by your stax piece (obviously if you lock someone's commander this is more obvious, but they're also going to complain about it). This is more of an R&D issue than one custom card designers need to care about though.
>>98325374>>98325376Not him, but thanks. I've got Dollhouse Of Horrors in a list or two of my own, Mimeoplasm too, and was never exactly sure if exiling for that effect would work the way I thought it would.
>>98325395I'm all in on Dragon Ball.
>>98327532That's a lot of words.
>>98324851Either of the two Mimeoplasm would probably fit the bill well.
>>98324851the great dane is fun
>>98326941Ooh that look sick but man 6 mana's pretty steep if she gets hit, should aim to be ending the round with someone dead the moment she gets summoned and hopefully swings?
Should I go bracket 3, or full cEDH with her?
>>98326964very based, nice
>>98327671b2
>>98326233My buddy plays a voltron/control Archangel Avacyn deck and she's pretty great (include a sunforger package).
Hey! Been playing Magic for about a year now. Current line up of commanders are Yshtola, Primo, Ureni, and Judith carnage connoisseur. I’m a black male and wanted to try to find a commander that’s a black man or woman to build! Was hoping for some recommendations. I’m open to all color combinations (but would like to include blue). Also looking for something that’s not Aragorn. Any recommendations are appreciated!
>>98327578Good example of stax piece/reactive piece.
>>98327870I just thought about it but none of my commanders are black but I guess pic related is what you want
>>98327532while you are correct this isn't a hit on stax pieces but rather an issue as to why only blue can take care of things on the stack>this isn't even me saying that all colors should have counterspells, multiplayer-appropriate thoughtseize effects have been needed for a long time now but wotc is being stupid again
>>98327870gr8 b8
>>98327892You think paying two mana once is better than holding up one mana every turn?Also, again, that only stops one card.
>>98327513But Black Market Connections is like a fifteen or so dollar card isn't it? Nothing worth the uptick in price that his precon has and nothing of abnormal value for a precon.
>>98327892Cleave was such an absurd way to reinvent kicker.
>>98327944Having outlets for the mana in the event you didn't need to spend a counterspell was literally the basis of draw-go which is why people complained about it, because novice players couldn't figure out how to gain tempo over it.
>>98327953it fell to like $7 with the marvel precon if you dont mind the goofy ah artwork I just relooked at the price to nab the art and it's almost 10 bucks now, late June I picked it up for like $8. still a discount as I got one of the baldur's gate ones for like $15 or $16 earlier that month.
>>98327964it's not that novices didn't know, it's just that creatures really sucked back in 1997
>>98327953also molecule man dropped to $25 last week and still is
>>98327985That's true in the strictest sense, but control decks that used the principles of draw-go remained long after they started running more creatures than 1 copy of Morphling.
>>98327992i always lol whenever rav standard sphinx rev comes up as if the deck didn't rely on the real heavy hitters jace and elspeth
this card should not be a dollar fifty
>>98327983Even less reason for the Doom precon to be so much. Unless it really is just Molecule Man carrying, >>98327987 but I can't imagine him keeping that price for too long. He feels like an on paper insane card but in practice not so much.
>>98328065what molecule man proved is that people like miracle after all
>>98327983>goofy ahI don't know why this enrages me so much, it's like each successive generation has progressive brainrot where they just keep clipping syllables off of words and sound like idiots.
>>98328047Isn't this just worse than that one precon landfall commander
>>98325689UB guns are fine. UW aren't. It's retarded but hey so are libshit corporate morals.
>>98328102I just want the badass art and flavor back
>order a 100€ card>guy marks it as sent>provides no tracking number>doesn't reply to my message asking for one
today I will remind them...
>>98328113>badass art and flavorPic unrelated?
>>98327607She should decide the game or she should have some protection when you go in. She's in my 99 and I love slapping pic related on her
>>98327752Sunforger my beloved. Probably one of my favorite pieces of equipment in the game
>>98328082Wasn't that one boros dragon from Strixhaven also a miracle guy and was hyped for similar reasons? I would have thought people would flock to him instead.
>>98327919They are never going to print multiplayer Thoughtseize for the same reason Thoughtseize didn't return to Standard after Theros. It's not an effect 99% of players want to play against. I agree there's open design space for stack interaction in other colors, but trying to solve uninteractable value with Thoughtseize is like trying to cure cancer by giving the patient AIDS. You just end up with two problems.
>>98328083It is genuinely fucking baffling. A generation of people censoring their videos and posts for stupid online videos of whatever actually resulted in people self censoring and warping their lexicon around it.
>>98328082Reminder that there's literally nothing stopping you from lying about having drawn the miracle card you wanna cast and casting it for its miracle cost whenever you want
>>98327870It's black white but you might enjoy this commander in a human centric deck
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>>98328082Miracle is my favorite mechanic in game, I love heart of the cards shit so much man. Makes for really memorable games to me>mfw draw a card on an opponents turn and just fucking Terminus his lethal board because miracles can ignore standard sorcery timing if you top deck them
>>98328122you are fine, cardmarket doesn't release the money until you confirm it arrives
>>98328226I plan on running both in a deck in the future at least
>>98328229i love how you implicitly admit that rule zero doesn't work and casuals will in fact defer to wotc given that they have word of god, but don't lose sight of the fact that wotc does in fact cater to cedh and prints cards for them so said "le bad discard" card can simply be made a GC for all i care, also sorry about you being stomped back in theros standard
>>98328270What point are you even trying to illustrate? That Thoughtseize somehow makes you better at the game? Yeah I guess running Fatal Push and Force of Will in Legacy are good indicators of player skill too that doesn't really give your claims any authority.
>>98327513By that logic the FF precon should also be 90 because it has Fantasticar
>>98328288>hey black has a game mechanic that isn't showing up in edh, wotc should look into that>hurr durr muh casual feelings>hurr durr you think you're better than me?!roru rumao
>>98328102As long as it pisses you off I am all for it.
>>98328238This is true, anyoone who plays cards that say miracle on them cheats. If you do not pause to look at the first card you draw every turn I will simply not acknowledge your attempts at miracle casts and I will start screaming.
>>98328083>-im 35 and just think its an absurd thing to say and completely retarded. I said it for comedic effect and also the effect that it had on you (b8 you into RAGE)
>>98328296You're not making a good argument for your case. Yes, WotC designs cards around player feelings. Why do you think Stone Rain disappeared from core set all the way back in 2005 and it only came back in 2013 when it was nerfed to 4 mana with Craterize? Player reception is a major factor on whether or not a card gets printed regardless of its balance component.
>>98328065yeah molecule man seems really incredible but I just dont think it would really work that great in practice
>>98328316>Yes, WotC designs cards around player feelingsand yet discard and counterspells still exist, why isn't everything indestructible and hexproof right off the bat?
>>98328238>>98328304I simply pick my first one per turn up with my right hand and the rest go to my left where I have my other cards, it's not hard
>>98328238cant do that in MTGO tho
>>98327987>dropped to $25
>>98328295Fantasticar's demand is from legacy
>>98328366it was 60
>>98328324Your whole argument is that the type of discard you want doesn't exist, so your argument falls apart because the potential benefits of multiplayer Thoughtseize have evidently been determined to not outweigh the detriments such a card introduces to the experience.You can see how design surrounding counterspells and hand disruption has shifted over time. Hell, you can even compare Silumgar's Scorn to Dispelling Exhale to show that some forms of interaction have been deliberately softened to reduce the amount players complain about the cards.Given the existing design trend of discard shifting heavily away from Thoughtseize-style effects (or random discard, for that matter), along with discard effects generally becoming more expensive, AND ways to systematically remove cards from your opponents becoming more difficult (i.e. wheels now say "each player may"), it doesn't take a lot of inferring to realize that it's more likely than not that this is design space consciously not being considered.
>>98328332I cannot convince "it's just a game dude" casuals to use your simple trick so I will keep hating miracle until the end of days.
>>98328377>the discard you want doesn't exist!>but it's been determined that the benefits of such a card that doesn't exist is le bad, don't ask me for proof, i knowgeez dae have to be reminded why we shouldn't take the opinions of people who scrubbed out of theros standard seriously? lmao
>>98328413I'm sorry I made the mistake of trying to educate you. I realize now you were doing the woman thing where you just wanted to vent that you weren't being pandered to.
>>98328420your mistake is thinking you can educate anything, imagine arguing wotc is nerfing counterspells for the sake of fee fees while printing fierce guardianship and rograkh
>>98328146Me in the middle
>>98328427You can be a woman all you want. It's never going to happen no matter how much you delude yourself into thinking otherwise. You're probably very good at the same though so maybe when you win pro tour you can convince WotC to make it.
>>98328083That's a really good image macro, did you made it?
>>98328452>it's never gonna happenyeah just like UB never being standard legal amirite hahaha>reminder to all to never take people that scrubbed out of theros standard seriously
>>98328464I'm waiting for your Pro Tour win.
>>98328466hi i'm actually dylan from the cedh play to win youtube channel with extensive cedh grinding experience and top cuts and i've been very vocal about wanting thoughtseize effects in cedh, now will you bow down to my experience you dumb midwit? haha
How bad is a Marina Vendrell Doors deck and are there any suggestions for how to salvage one?
>>98328476No if anything I respect you less now.
>>98328538>where's your experience>shows it>nuh uh doesn't counthaha scruuuuuuuub
>>98328265Still would suck if it doesn't come... the next seller from my country has it at 130
>>98328541I'm Gavin Verhey and I say as punishment you're getting 3 more Marvel sets and every time you ask about EDH Thoughtseize I'm making another one.
>>98328567more marvel sets? don't threaten me with a good time
>>98328583Bro actually enjoys goyslop
>>98328601what you expect me to like the jacetice league or something?
There was a time when this guy and Memnarch were considered the boogiemen of edh.
>>98328610>>98328601The choice is Jacestice League and the Strixhaven Pride squad, or Marvel capeslop. There is no winning here.
>>98328663We could get a UB property that doesn't suckJust do LOTR block, idc
>>98328678the tolkien estate want black aragorn et al like so many other western ip, god of war would want their god of laundry in a ub setthe only good UBs right now can only come from eastern ip
might have to put labman in my golbez deck
>>98328651Because tizzet or what the fuck ever came out.But the real answer: passable counterfeits/proxies. Used interchangeably, but counterfeit because they are very close to the original. So people begun forming metas based on access to the most cracked shit. Then wotc started reprinting in bulk everything outside of the reserve list (even the reserve not legal list) while every set, released every other month, is power crept to hell.
>>98328407Understandable anon, shame though since Miracle and Fateful Hour are oozing with flavor, love those gimmicks
>>98328763PussyIf you can’t surveil kill with ultron, and have to rely on drawing out your deck, just make a dr doom deck.
>>98328238Wrong. You must reveal as you draw. If it goes to hand - you are flurbulent.
>>98328567Based, but only if Gambit slides comfortably into a bracket 3 deck and Rogue gets a Savage Land variant card that shows off her ass
>>98328775the deck shreds cards so fast I'm worried about losing to mill
>>98328854Counterpoint: Who the fuck plays mill in commander?
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>>98328487You kind of have to accept it's a goofy deck type and roll with that.
>>98328371How is that relevant?
>>98328487It's fun but the issue is it spins its wheels and doesn't tend to have a wincon
>>98328089The onpy other legendary that lets you play lands from your graveyard is Hazezon, and that's only desert lands, so no looping fetches.
whats the difference between KMC hyper mat and hyper phoenix, the current stock as of 2026? Not much for recent reviews the past year or lesson that grail hunt for sleeves. So far the new stock ultra pro eclipse mattes are the best (the 105 count in a black box with moon cutout). Katana next best and Dragon Shield Mattes absolute dog shit. Since May I've bought 2 packs of Katanas with 1 split between those two, 2 packs of Ecliplse with 0 splits (and 8 extra sleeves in each pack) and 1 pack of Dragon Shields (with 1 extra in the pack) with 9 splits.
>>98328972People aren't buying the FF precon in droves for a legacy card, so there's not as much of it on the secondary market.
>>98330534afaik thicker backs and stronger seams.
I don't trust niggas who say they like slim/flimsy katanas over dragon shields.
>>98327419I fucking hate Marvel and superheroes and super powers and even Spider-Man to a degree, I am your stereotypical anti-soi millennial, but MF Doom is badass and his flows were smooth peace be upon him I WILL get a Doomsday dub with Doom one day.
