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Thanos Edition

>News
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026

>Current Banlist
https://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned

>Bracket Information
https://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.png
https://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png

>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committee
https://mtgcommander.net

>Card Search
https://scryfall.com

>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internet
https://www.edhrec.com

>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choices
https://www.archidekt.com
https://www.moxfield.com

>Gay Bolas
https://files.catbox.moe/823tpq.png

>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identity
https://managathering.com

>Proxy Guide
https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM

>Precons
https://magicprecons.com

TQ: What's your favorite thing about 5c commanders?
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>>98321255
What I've noticed about people opposed to hybrid is that they're very frequently LARPers (people claiming Magic was best 20 years ago when they usually started playing after 2018, most of them after 2023), and they're ALWAYS the bad players that have never actually played a single hybrid card in their life so they create these insane Christmas scenarios like monoG running Leyline of the Guildpact solely for Bloom Tender like it's somehow more of a problem for monoG to make a lot of mana than for 5c slop to have it.
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>>98322437
>TQ
They're very easy to ignore and forget about because they're so rarely interesting.
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the anti-ub thread is on the last page.
make sure to post in threads so it will die before a new one gets made
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Fine, if everything is going to shit
Let's do a from soft set
Fuck it
Make tarnished and undead keywords
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>>98322466
yet more proof that casuals should not be taken seriously
ironic that as much as they tout to let them "do the thing" they won't allow wotc to "do the thing" to their own game which would allow more people to do more things with mono
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Letting Universes Beyond break the colorpie rules lead to all of this hybrid shit.
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>>98322437
>TQ
my favourite is that they are jank because of the colour pips and their abilities are big to compensate
this does not apply to new cards
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>>98322601
That just shows how based UB is
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>no Thanoscopter
Better be in the SLD
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>>98322466
>dipshit who doesn't understand how important color identity is to the has a bunch of shit opinions
It checks out
Color identity and the limitations therein, are what makes edh interesting and as an extension, having an aesthetic that matches that ideal is also important as well as future proofing the format against UB as they very clearly need to rely on hybrid to make most settings fit into mtg and nosewater said explicitly that they use this crutch because it's too hard otherwise.
Also mtg is in a terrible spot and has been for a long while, if you can't see that you are blind.
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>>98322640
?
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>>98322640
??
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Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
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>>98322645
>>98322647
>precon
I hadn’t looked at the precons, thanks.
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>>98322466
I don't think it's a bad take to enjoy og Ravnica over UB slop
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>>98322636
rules for thee but not for me, I see
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>>98322466
Part of the fun of edh is that color works different, don't get mad that people want to keep that aspect, get mad at wotc for spreading it to other formats
Aka
>wotc get your filthy hands off my shitty format
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>>98322662
Jumpstart.
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>>98322645
>>98322647
I know what I must proxy
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>>98322737
>muh format
sheldon wanted rhystic in every pod but omg look at you guys froth at the mouth at a GC that isn't supposed to be affecting your timmy pods anyway
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Honestly we gotta go back to commanders being unable to generate mana outside of their identity
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>>98322772
>you may have your opinions but but but what about SHELDON???
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>>98322773
well you see autists are fine with sen triplets producing brocolli because they don't get to see the vegetable color on their fake cardboard, can't have the M-cones in their retinas perceive it you know
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>>98322806
>sheldon was wrong about rhystic ok?
>but he can't be wrong about other things!!
pure cope, time will prove that hybrid is for the best, enjoy your 1cmc 5color slop in the meantime just as sheldon intended
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>>98322769
Do it
Prove to the world you are a kuckledragger with no taste
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>25¢ on manapool
underrated card!
I'm putting it in three decks
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>>98322643
>LARPer pretending 5c commanders don't exist
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>>98322663
It's harder to make that argument when the person making it is part of the demographic that only knows the game exists as a result of UB slop (which ramped up massively after 2023). It comes off as being someone with no self-awareness.
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>>98322830
I play it in picrel.
Flash is basically haste and getting to bounce it for a second scoop is funny.
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>>98322643
I agree. Cromat ruined the game with cEDH Hermit Druid.
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>playing in bracket 3
>buddy playing Kona
>turn 3 gets a bunch of big things out like Kodama and something that grants boardwide hexproof
>we dont have any answers
>he passes
>his turn 4 comes around
>even more huge things
>he passes
>turn 5
>combos Last March into Craterhoof and Ibex and kills us all

This seems a bit fast idk, do we just kill Kona on sight and don't even let him tap?
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>>98322601
Chaos Warp was a deliberate pie break for EDH in 2011, gramps.
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>>98322909
>he actually thinks a kona deck is cedh tier just because it killed the pod with a god draw and nobody interrupted it
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>>98322830
I run it in a Rashmi flash themed deck, carrys its weight quite well
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>>98322466
The problem is that hybrid cards are both colors and since we're an eternal format you can play color hate.
So not only does it subvert the color rule of commander, it allows angle shooters to argue that their dominus of fealty was actually cast using only red mana so pyroblast doesn't work.
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>>98322772
Youre right
The game was better before wotc's involvment in 2011
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>>98322952
right that's why rhystic will forever be legal just as sheldon intended
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>>98322938
...Okay? So you correct them the same way you would correct someone playing Kenrith.
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>>98322924
i don't think it's cedh or anything, that ends games by turn 2-3 right?

was just expecting to be able to do more than
>land, pass (x2)
>land, cast a creature
>land, cast my commander
>land, counterspell one of his enchants
>don't even get a next turn because i die

at least it was a quick "gg go next"
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>>98322868
This is the dumbest post I have ever seen on /edhg/
Congratulations
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>>98322938
>a mono color commander can helm a 5c deck
>but god forbid a multicolor card like dominus of fealty be in mono color it might cause rules issues
idiot
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>>98322957
I correct them by pointing out that they're playing a blue and red card in their mono red list.
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>>98322956
Just pay the one, unironically
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>>98322966
I agree that Kenrith shouldn't be considered 5c, that battle is long over though and my opinion lost. I'm going to argue for the current fight which is that hybrid mana is both, not either.
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>>98322961
>was just expecting to be able to do more than
i bet the kona player thought you guys would put up more of an interactive fight
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>>98322970
Prisoners dilemma. If everyone pays the one, the card is just a bad stax piece. If one person d9esn't pay the one, it's an okay card, generating a small amount of value, and the one guy who didn't pay gets to not pay. If any more than the one guy doesn't pay, the card is immediately broken with insane value, at which point there is just no point in the rest of the players paying.
So yes, be responsible, pay the one, but if no one else is, there's no point.
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>>98322993
>Deckbuilding limitations bad! It should just be 60-card, hell, 40 card with a commander
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>tourists calling people newfags
Yep this game is dead
Can't wait till you all sell your collections and I can buy them up
Kitchen table will inherent the earth
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>>98323002
the issue rhystic causes in cedh is not because it can draw a lot of cards, but because cedh refuses to accept the gambling nature of the format (seat order, turn 2 win hands, etc.) and it still clings to draws as a legitimate way of playing the game
people should always play for the win if they have it against a rhystic (prolonging the game is better for the rhystic player) but because
>nobody wants to be the sacrificial lamb to exhaust the rhystic player's counters
>there's no penalty for drawing
people just tend to durdle to time, note that necro/adnaus also draws a ton of cards but because it requires commitment that would cause the player to lose if things go wrong it's not looked at as badly
rhystic would have a better rep if draws were penalized as losses to force people to play for the win and not have them be forced to durdle and have the rhystic player draw a bunch of cards just because players were doing normal game actions
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>>98322601

All UB slop should be exiled into its own format where only those cards can be used.
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Which Norn takes the least heat for playing? Kinda wanna build a Phyrexian tribals
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>>98322830
just narset's reversal bro
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>>98323140
propably the flip one
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>>98322968
You're not making any sense. The dilemma of "I cast this hybrid card with only red mana so it's immune to pyroblast" at no point relies on the commander's color identity as a premise. That's exactly why Kenrith was used as the example.
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>>98323172
Yes it does, if you're playing dominus of fealty in a deck that isn't izzet you have to make the claim that hybrid cards are either red or blue and not both depending on the deck they're in or you have an exception to the color rule for hybrid cards
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>>98322657
Ok, Cassius Marsh. Good luck on that Cali Commander.
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>>98323186
Your premise is violated by multiple existing cards that have color identity misaligned with their gameplay color. Ramos, Dragon Engine is a card with 5c identity but has zero colors for the purposes of Pyroblast or All Is Dust. Similarly, unless you're profoundly retarded you can't attempt to use PBlast to target an Island or Corrupted Shapeshifter just because they're in a monoblue deck.
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>>98323204
Yes other cards have different rules. I agree activated abilities shouldn't be applied to a cards commander identity which is why I agreed that Kenrith should be considered mono white.
You are correct both of those cards are colorless.
What I'm pointing to is that in order to make hybrid cards legal in off colors you either have to make an exception to the rules exclusively for hybrid cards (the worst choice) or you change the rules for hybrid cards to make it so it is either color as opposed to both.
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>>98323225
>or you change the rules for hybrid cards to make it so it is either color as opposed to both.
That's for sure a way worse choice than changing the commander rules say "the mana cost for cards in your 99 must be in your commanders color identity."


Which, btw, is what you actually want.
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>>98323225
Yes Magic is a game built on exceptions that service function over Timmy's idea of aesthetic, good work noticing. It only took your 30 years to realize why the CR is a 311 page document that gets larger every time new cards come out.
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>5 color hero commander
>look inside
>comboslop, plays a few heroes tops
WotC needs to die
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i'm old enough to remember people arguing why birds of paradise could wield sword of fire and ice and why it shouldn't
somehow that discussion turned out to be better than arguing why gender iden- i mean color identity is this sacred thing that hybrid cannot touch even though it's been bastardized multiple times by now
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>>98323355
>"competitive" edh decks
>look inside
>every single one of them is trying to do a Thoracle or Underworld Breach combo
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Does anyone have a pic of that custom card that's the American flag in pips and the effect is "do whatever you want" or something? I think there's an eagle crying on it.
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I, personally, would like nothing more than the fundamentals of this game get rooted up one after another
fuck the colorpie, give everything counters
fuck the identity and deck limit, let me play anything I want
but above all
fuck the lore and logic, 13 squirrels vs emrakul all the way every day
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>>98323448
It blows my mind Thoracle and Breach are from the same set. If Theros Beyond Death never saw print the two best wincons just wouldn't exist.
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>>98322437
>TQ: What's your favorite thing about 5c commanders?
A bunch of them are Slivers.
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>>98323147
also a good card even though they don't go in all of the same decks
>>98322881
>getting to bounce it for a second scoop is funny.
yes, the look on people's faces when they realize that whoever casts the next juicy spell is going to be baiting a second dragon, is lots of fun lol
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>>98322601
We've had colorpie exceptions for almost 20 fucking years at this point anon
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>>98322663
It's a bad take to categorically elevate original sets over UB sets purely on that distinction, it reeks of knowing no ball. Sorry, Dragon's Maze and Aether Revolt were some of the worst sets ever printed! Spider-Man is significantly better!
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>>98323989
>It's a bad take to categorically elevate original sets over UB sets purely on that distinction
Hard disagree
Magic is always better without UB, in no way is shoving IP into magics systems going to yield kino, it's purely a marketing stunt and marketers make poor mtg designers
Also you are gay and retarded
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>>98323989
I know this is bait but Spiderman is genuinely a bottom 5 set, I just wish autismos wouldn't blindly hate on on good UB sets like FF
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>>98324012
Final Fantasy is automatically a bad set for reminding me of Lightning
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>>98323989
>Sorry, Dragon's Maze and Aether Revolt were some of the worst sets ever printed
haha yeah
>Spider-Man is significantly better!
... no
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>>98324005
I've seen what magic was like before UB and frankly UB has been Atlas for it since its inception.
>>98324012
>>98324032
Spiderman isn't even bottom ten worst sets, WOTC has printed some real stinkers in their time. Some of these I give you a pass on not knowing because they're unc and you wouldn't have been born for another 5-10 years. In no particular order:
>Prophecy
>Fallen Empires
>Saviors of Kamigawa
>The Dark
>BFZ
>Born of the Gods
>Chronicles
>Dragon's Maze
>Aether Revolt
>Unfinity
honorable mentions:
>Ikoria
>Capenna
>Aetherdrift
>Murders at Karlov Manor
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>>98324044
>>Dragon's Maze
still no
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>>98324044
fallen empires is the most ludokino set ever produced
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>>98324050
Only tourists don't dunk on DGM, set was complete dogshit to draft, complete dogshit to open, easily the worst modern magic set
>>98324057
I give early sets a little more leeway but many of them were very not good, the only vaguely notable cards out of FEM (yes, thats its actual set code) is High Tide and the sacland cycle
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>>98324012
Sorry, I'm not queer so the FF set has nothing "good" to offer me.

>>98324044
>likes Neon Dynasty
Opinion disregarded.
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>>98324069
gtc was literally a worse draft environment, dgm+gtc+rtr was fine even though it had too many cluestones
was it a bad set well yeah it was underpowered, was it worse than spooderman absolutely fucking not
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>>98324084
>t. drafted no spiderman
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I like sets that have cool cards in them
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>>98324090
I did draft Spider-Man, in fact I drafted it in person and on arena until I got bored of picking gw every single time, and incidentally the experience was quite reminiscent of drafting gtc in that half the pod could be in one color pair and it would still be wrong not to pick your 3rd Spectacular Tactics / Skyknight Legionnaire
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>Foil Borderless Buster Sword at $200
Holy fuck lmao
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https://moxfield.com/decks/QfSL-XwVOESa9KEeJD9wog
are these the only ticket cards in WB? might not be viable as a main mechanic
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>>98324044
>honorable mentions:
>Capenna
>Aetherdrift
These sets were hated because of their aesthetic themes mostly.
Capenna was a really bad draft but didn't contain anything outright broken for constructed and has a lot of fun but fair build arounds for EDH.
Aetherdrift was actually a fun set to draft and looking past start your engines actually has a lot of playables. Niggas just got mad about the cars.

Born of the Gods remains my most hated set. Opened so much of that one and all of it was as worthless as the cardboard it was printed on. Spirit of the Labyrinth is the only card from it I still play.
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>>98323989
>>98324012
Spider-man was still worse than Lorwyn Eclipsed. Same as Avatar. Final Fantasy was far more glazed than the Marvel set. They all suck compared to Dragonstorm or Edge of Eternities.
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Bow down to the one true queen of mono green, peasant
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>>98324209
>Edge of Eternities
The best and most creative set WotC has made in years. Honestly I don't know how they managed to pull it off.
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>>98324205
UB hatred is purely aesthetic too so its pretty fitting
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>>98323098
I don't care about cedh
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>>98323565
Unfortunately Thoracle is "just" an evolution of Lab Man which was a game-warping wincon even back in 2011. Getting rid of Thoracle doesn't really fix the problem that Lab Man introduced by turning a loss condition into a wincon.
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>>98323140
On its face, Elesh Norn. Actually reading into the card, though, Mother of Machines is the most acceptable.
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Speaking of older sets, is there anything good in Battle for Zendikar? Went to my LGS to buy sleeves and noticed they had some packs from that still there on display.
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>>98324329
If you get lucky the expeditions are all worth a pretty penny. Main set is Ulamog or bust and it's still not a huge money card. Prepare to be let down if you rip it.
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>>98324305
Ward - (1) or 2 life seems innocuous enough, will flipping her to Saga mode turn the whole table on me?
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damn he shits all over low level brackets
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>>98324209
>Dragonstorm
We are not starting this again
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>>98324403
I wasted so much time trying to make this pos work for my Standard Dimir Rats deck
I don't know why the Dimir Rat legendary for the set had nothing to do with the tribe's theme but fuck Wizards for doing that
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>>98324044
There's a large recency bias with most players because they didn't play the game before 2023. They don't fully grasp how the worst Magic sets weren't the ones that generated tons of hype online about how it's totally the end of UB forever. They were the 2nd/3rd sets of a block that was so bland and uninteresting nobody cared about them. People say blocks made the story better (lol) but sets 2/3 of a block sold poorly so often that WotC dropped them the moment they actually had the resources to develop set 1-sized sets all year.
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>>98324424
he says, 4th set into NYC block
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>>98324044
>MFW liked Murders at Karlov Manor and Capenna
It's no Avacyn restored but they still worked for me more than Outlaws of Thunder Junction with its nogunz in a cowboy setting bullshit
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>>98324210
She might be the queen, but Azusa is the princess.
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>>98324044
At least older sets had the excuse of: the designers had no idea what they were doing at the time, the internet wasn't as robust a feedback machine, the cards had generally good art, and/or there wasn't a massive top down push to sell cards regardless of quality. Older sets sucked by mistake.

Spider Man has no excuse. The designers know full well now what does and doesn't work, they know what is and isn't popular among fans, the art is fucking garbage even on a technical level, and there was no love or effort put into it beyond cold calculating corpocapitalism from out of touch boomer execs who are 15 years behind popular trends.

Spiderman is the worst set ever made (so far) because they knew better than to make it and could have done better making it but still made it anyways and they phoned everything about it in. There is no excuse, they just didn't give a fuck.
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I really just want to know what the fuck Gambit's card is gonna be like so I can start to theorycraft and build a themed deck around since he's the one Marvel guy I will do the basedboy point at when I see him in stuff
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>>98324518
Spiderman was clearly pressured into being a full draftable set from the original plan to be like an AC micro-set. If you look at it side by side with TMNT for whatever design decisions there were it was clearly much more intentionally designed and worked through.

I'm hesitant to call it the worst set ever, only because I started playing back in Mirrodin, so I don't know shit about how older sets were received, but compared to other recent releases it was pretty flat. Some sets are crazy and wild failures on account of being experimental and interesting, SPM is mostly just bland with the added problem that over half the cards are capital S "Spiderman", turning tables into a comedy routine "I'm going to swing with spiderman" "I block with spiderman" "Well I'm going to webswing spiderman for spiderman..."
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>>98324210
*blocks your nuts*
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>>98324210
That’s not Selvala.
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Finally, it is complete!
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>>98324210
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>>98324564
That's one ugly "woman"
>>98324210
Secret Tifa-tech
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>>98324558
He's a heterosexual white male so knowing WotC it will not be good.
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>>98324597
Quality bracket 4 pile with some questionable choices. I envy that Jeska's Will tho
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>>98324558
>[TAP], Exile a card from your hand, then you must insert random French words into every sentence you speak for the rest of the game. For as long as you manage this, you can cast the exiled card.
>Whenever you cast a card exile with Gambit, he deals 3 damage to each opponent.
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>>98324734
>jeska's
Thanks, nabbed it from my LGS for an okay price. What changes would you make? I'm pretty open to trying new things out, if I don't like it then it can just become trade bait.
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>>98324428
4th set of a block that's actually selling well, contrasting basically every other block in history where sales went down over time.
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When will Wizards make another version of this that hasn't been power-crept? I want to cast a big wurm while searching my library and slam it down and not have the table laugh at my 9/5.
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>ban most of the banlist
>bring back the old tuck rule
>bring back the old legendary rule
>ban UB by default

There. I fixed the format.
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>>98324564
>>98324210
Is this what passes for mtg art nowadays
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>made my first friend at my local game shop playing MTG
>he's depressed and wants to kill himself
Lmao what luck...
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I am on a huge biomass kick. I just watched The Thing and replayed Carrion (great game). What is a commander for this vibe? I'll play Prototype in the meanwhile.
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>>98324851
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>>98324841
>Is this what passes for mtg art nowadays
Yep!
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>>98324856
(2020) That was the start of the end
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>>98324856
>>98324871
Me bottom right.
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>>98324800
That would go great in my Selvala deck!
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>>98324728
Honestly even if he's total dogshit with no abilities in a color I don't enjoy like Blue or Black, I'll still make something since he's my GOAT
>>98324740
I got some Cajun family so I actually can manage that, fuck yeah
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>>98324851
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>>98324841
It's an attractive woman with large breasts, you should be impressed the MTG artists drew it without killing themselves
>>98324856
Grim
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>>98324903
>It's an attractive woman with large breasts, you should be impressed the MTG artists drew it without killing themselves
It never ceases to amaze me the difference between old stuff and now. Even ATLA had attractive women. But now everyone has to be brown, gay, flat chested. Basically this >>98324871

When you start playing with multiple UB sets though it just gets so fucking sloppy. Cloud on a fucking skateboard from TMNT with a chainsaw from an 80s horror film. I'm so over it. At least I can play cube with my friends. They like my cubes. Some are UB set cubes but most are older cards, my mono blue cube is a particular favorite for my group.
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>>98324953
That never happens in FF cards btw
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>>98324953
>with a chainsaw from an 80s horror film
that's UW though so you can't be mad at it
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>>98324953
>Cloud on a fucking skateboard from TMNT with a chainsaw from an 80s horror film
I know you're trying to make a point with that, anon, I get it, but that sounds like the coolest fucking thing ever
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Teysa looks like a hooker
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Do you play with banned cards? How does your group feel about it?
>also post decks
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>>98324383
She's a much better Norn's Annex, but yes, I do mean the flip side being a reusable boardwipe + overrun effect, yeah, and flipping her having an inconsiquential mana cost (after the first activation since each activation gives you 5 token creatures)
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>>98325112
I only play FF cards and they're all legal, nice deck btw
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>>98325030
Man, Duskmourn could have been kino if they cut all the retarded 80s tech shit and just made it haunted house world. It's like 70% Victorian-esque aesthetics and then randomly there's some dweeb in a bright jacket carrying a toaster. Lame.
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>>98325176
It was kino though
>Victorian
Victorian is no more fantasy than modern.
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>>98325184
If you don't understand why having a smattering of 80s do-dads and retards in bright spandex is anachronistic with the primary aesthetic of the plane, I can't help you. Hint: it has nothing to do with Modern aesthetics being more or less "fantasy" than the Victorian.
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>Pod I usually play in got interested in cedh
>Sure I'll give it a go I guess
>Try it, its fine, has its problems but every format does
>Try to go back to regular bracket 3 ass magic
>Pod just outright refuses to play casual anymore
>"But anon I like cedh because we're all on the same power level"
>Literally the same game every week of just blue farm/kinnan/etali slop
>"meta" in the lgs is now incredibly stale, boring, and predictable

I'm tired boss.
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>>98322601
But you don’t understand, spider-man has to be izzet because his costume is red and blue
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>>98325267
People here were literally complaining that he wasn't Izzet back during spiderman spoilers.
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>>98325276
What do you expect of ubpiggies?
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How do you make a deck with different lines of play without spreading yourself thin and hurting your consistency?
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>>98325276
he's a wisecracking nerd with super instincts, if it wasn't for the fact that he needed to define himself in comparison to 92 other Spiders-Men, of which he is "the generic one", I think izzet would have been the best fit for him (although if there was exactly one Spider-Man card, wotc would have made him Jeskai for edh purposes lol)
>>98324841
you know how somewhat awkward guys have always brought somewhat cringe alters, yknow like "this is my Azusa deck except uhhh it's Azusa from K-On" or "it's Rakdos Lord of Riots but it's Madara Uchiha". yeah well wizards realized they could sell pre-altered cards to these unfortunate retards, so picrel is 70 bucks lol.
>>98324210
I always thought green was a weird pick for her but that's UB for you
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>>98325318
You don't. They will 100% be hurt. You can mitigate that by only including the best pieces of each line and having way more draw, way more.
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Can someone explain why Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are good in cEDH and bracket 4? It seems that the card disadvantage would be greater than the fast mana, especially if the card or land you're exiling is needed for the deck. If you're just going to exile it, then why did you even include it in the first place?
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>>98325326
Now I make based alters of cringe pre-altered cards to make them in-universe.
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>>98322437
Dollhouse of Horrors.
I have my commander on my graveyard and I activate the dollhouse, then I move my commander into the command zone instead of the graveyard. The token is created regardless. I just did this on arena so I know it's a legal move. I'd like some rules lawyers to point me to the relevant rules in action because I know I will need this information when trying to pull this off on paper this weekend.
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>>98325340
Well for one, Mox Diamond doesn't exile the land. Two just simply don't imprint a card you know you'll need.
>If you're just going to exile it, then why did you even include it in the first place?
Oh wait you're an actual 30 IQ retard, not even going to bother any further.
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>>98325318
>how do I A, while also A'?
at least you've identified the contradiction.

but as anon says, you can't. this is the tradeoff of all tradeoffs in deck building.
but don't despair, because this is where the fun begins. especially in edh, where "win at all costs" is explicitly not the goal of deckbuilding.
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>>98325340
The CA and tutors are so powerful in these brackets the card disadvantage from the fast mana rocks is worth it in exchange for turboing out a combo win or value enginelike Rhystic.
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>>98325354
>then I move my commander into the command zone instead of the graveyard.
I meant instead of the exile zone.
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>>98325340
Tell that to pitch evoke cards. Value for no mana in ridiculously good, especially when it generates permanent resources. The card you pitch is whatever is the situationally worst card you have in your hand, it's not included in the deck just to pitch, and card draw is pretty easy to come by, though often you're just tutoring for you wincons so the cards in your hand that don't do that aren't that important.
>t. Guy who watches non-cedh competitive
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>>98325354
Yeah, it doesn't continually reference the exiled card, just when you pay the cost, so it works. It would not work with something like imprint since the exiled card needs to be continually referenced.
Did you mean to post here, cause the TQ in the antiub thread fits more.
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>>98325354
it's the same exact rule that puts your commander in the command zone when it dies.
>903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704.
you exile your commander from your gy with Dollhouse.
>is your commander in a graveyard or in exile?
yup, it's in exile.
>was it put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked?
yup, it used to be in the graveyard and now it's in exile.

therefore you may put it into your command zone as a statebased action. decks that attempt to reanimate their commander also take advantage of this rule if someone plays a Rest in Peace or whatever.



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