>>98321255
What I've noticed about people opposed to hybrid is that they're very frequently LARPers (people claiming Magic was best 20 years ago when they usually started playing after 2018, most of them after 2023), and they're ALWAYS the bad players that have never actually played a single hybrid card in their life so they create these insane Christmas scenarios like monoG running Leyline of the Guildpact solely for Bloom Tender like it's somehow more of a problem for monoG to make a lot of mana than for 5c slop to have it.

>>98322437
>TQ
They're very easy to ignore and forget about because they're so rarely interesting.

the anti-ub thread is on the last page.
make sure to post in threads so it will die before a new one gets made

Fine, if everything is going to shit
Let's do a from soft set
Fuck it
Make tarnished and undead keywords

>>98322466
yet more proof that casuals should not be taken seriously
ironic that as much as they tout to let them "do the thing" they won't allow wotc to "do the thing" to their own game which would allow more people to do more things with mono

Letting Universes Beyond break the colorpie rules lead to all of this hybrid shit.

>>98322437
>TQ
my favourite is that they are jank because of the colour pips and their abilities are big to compensate
this does not apply to new cards

>>98322601
That just shows how based UB is

>no Thanoscopter
Better be in the SLD

>>98322466
>dipshit who doesn't understand how important color identity is to the has a bunch of shit opinions
It checks out
Color identity and the limitations therein, are what makes edh interesting and as an extension, having an aesthetic that matches that ideal is also important as well as future proofing the format against UB as they very clearly need to rely on hybrid to make most settings fit into mtg and nosewater said explicitly that they use this crutch because it's too hard otherwise.
Also mtg is in a terrible spot and has been for a long while, if you can't see that you are blind.

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>>98322640
?

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>>98322640
??

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>98322645
>>98322647
>precon
I hadn’t looked at the precons, thanks.

>>98322466
I don't think it's a bad take to enjoy og Ravnica over UB slop

>>98322636
rules for thee but not for me, I see

>>98322466
Part of the fun of edh is that color works different, don't get mad that people want to keep that aspect, get mad at wotc for spreading it to other formats
Aka
>wotc get your filthy hands off my shitty format

>>98322662
Jumpstart.

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>>98322645
>>98322647
I know what I must proxy

>>98322737
>muh format
sheldon wanted rhystic in every pod but omg look at you guys froth at the mouth at a GC that isn't supposed to be affecting your timmy pods anyway

Honestly we gotta go back to commanders being unable to generate mana outside of their identity

>>98322772
>you may have your opinions but but but what about SHELDON???

>>98322773
well you see autists are fine with sen triplets producing brocolli because they don't get to see the vegetable color on their fake cardboard, can't have the M-cones in their retinas perceive it you know

>>98322806
>sheldon was wrong about rhystic ok?
>but he can't be wrong about other things!!
pure cope, time will prove that hybrid is for the best, enjoy your 1cmc 5color slop in the meantime just as sheldon intended

>>98322769
Do it
Prove to the world you are a kuckledragger with no taste

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>25¢ on manapool
underrated card!
I'm putting it in three decks

>>98322643
>LARPer pretending 5c commanders don't exist

>>98322663
It's harder to make that argument when the person making it is part of the demographic that only knows the game exists as a result of UB slop (which ramped up massively after 2023). It comes off as being someone with no self-awareness.

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>>98322830
I play it in picrel.
Flash is basically haste and getting to bounce it for a second scoop is funny.

>>98322643
I agree. Cromat ruined the game with cEDH Hermit Druid.

>playing in bracket 3
>buddy playing Kona
>turn 3 gets a bunch of big things out like Kodama and something that grants boardwide hexproof
>we dont have any answers
>he passes
>his turn 4 comes around
>even more huge things
>he passes
>turn 5
>combos Last March into Craterhoof and Ibex and kills us all

This seems a bit fast idk, do we just kill Kona on sight and don't even let him tap?

>>98322601
Chaos Warp was a deliberate pie break for EDH in 2011, gramps.

>>98322909
>he actually thinks a kona deck is cedh tier just because it killed the pod with a god draw and nobody interrupted it

>>98322830
I run it in a Rashmi flash themed deck, carrys its weight quite well

>>98322466
The problem is that hybrid cards are both colors and since we're an eternal format you can play color hate.
So not only does it subvert the color rule of commander, it allows angle shooters to argue that their dominus of fealty was actually cast using only red mana so pyroblast doesn't work.

>>98322772
Youre right
The game was better before wotc's involvment in 2011

>>98322952
right that's why rhystic will forever be legal just as sheldon intended

>>98322938
...Okay? So you correct them the same way you would correct someone playing Kenrith.

>>98322924
i don't think it's cedh or anything, that ends games by turn 2-3 right?

was just expecting to be able to do more than
>land, pass (x2)
>land, cast a creature
>land, cast my commander
>land, counterspell one of his enchants
>don't even get a next turn because i die

at least it was a quick "gg go next"

>>98322868
This is the dumbest post I have ever seen on /edhg/
Congratulations

>>98322938
>a mono color commander can helm a 5c deck
>but god forbid a multicolor card like dominus of fealty be in mono color it might cause rules issues
idiot

>>98322957
I correct them by pointing out that they're playing a blue and red card in their mono red list.

>>98322956
Just pay the one, unironically

>>98322966
I agree that Kenrith shouldn't be considered 5c, that battle is long over though and my opinion lost. I'm going to argue for the current fight which is that hybrid mana is both, not either.

>>98322961
>was just expecting to be able to do more than
i bet the kona player thought you guys would put up more of an interactive fight

>>98322970
Prisoners dilemma. If everyone pays the one, the card is just a bad stax piece. If one person d9esn't pay the one, it's an okay card, generating a small amount of value, and the one guy who didn't pay gets to not pay. If any more than the one guy doesn't pay, the card is immediately broken with insane value, at which point there is just no point in the rest of the players paying.
So yes, be responsible, pay the one, but if no one else is, there's no point.

>>98322993
>Deckbuilding limitations bad! It should just be 60-card, hell, 40 card with a commander

>tourists calling people newfags
Yep this game is dead
Can't wait till you all sell your collections and I can buy them up
Kitchen table will inherent the earth

>>98323002
the issue rhystic causes in cedh is not because it can draw a lot of cards, but because cedh refuses to accept the gambling nature of the format (seat order, turn 2 win hands, etc.) and it still clings to draws as a legitimate way of playing the game
people should always play for the win if they have it against a rhystic (prolonging the game is better for the rhystic player) but because
>nobody wants to be the sacrificial lamb to exhaust the rhystic player's counters
>there's no penalty for drawing
people just tend to durdle to time, note that necro/adnaus also draws a ton of cards but because it requires commitment that would cause the player to lose if things go wrong it's not looked at as badly
rhystic would have a better rep if draws were penalized as losses to force people to play for the win and not have them be forced to durdle and have the rhystic player draw a bunch of cards just because players were doing normal game actions

>>98322601

All UB slop should be exiled into its own format where only those cards can be used.

Which Norn takes the least heat for playing? Kinda wanna build a Phyrexian tribals

>>98322830
just narset's reversal bro

>>98323140
propably the flip one

>>98322968
You're not making any sense. The dilemma of "I cast this hybrid card with only red mana so it's immune to pyroblast" at no point relies on the commander's color identity as a premise. That's exactly why Kenrith was used as the example.

>>98323172
Yes it does, if you're playing dominus of fealty in a deck that isn't izzet you have to make the claim that hybrid cards are either red or blue and not both depending on the deck they're in or you have an exception to the color rule for hybrid cards

>>98322657
Ok, Cassius Marsh. Good luck on that Cali Commander.

>>98323186
Your premise is violated by multiple existing cards that have color identity misaligned with their gameplay color. Ramos, Dragon Engine is a card with 5c identity but has zero colors for the purposes of Pyroblast or All Is Dust. Similarly, unless you're profoundly retarded you can't attempt to use PBlast to target an Island or Corrupted Shapeshifter just because they're in a monoblue deck.

>>98323204
Yes other cards have different rules. I agree activated abilities shouldn't be applied to a cards commander identity which is why I agreed that Kenrith should be considered mono white.
You are correct both of those cards are colorless.
What I'm pointing to is that in order to make hybrid cards legal in off colors you either have to make an exception to the rules exclusively for hybrid cards (the worst choice) or you change the rules for hybrid cards to make it so it is either color as opposed to both.

>>98323225
>or you change the rules for hybrid cards to make it so it is either color as opposed to both.
That's for sure a way worse choice than changing the commander rules say "the mana cost for cards in your 99 must be in your commanders color identity."


Which, btw, is what you actually want.

>>98323225
Yes Magic is a game built on exceptions that service function over Timmy's idea of aesthetic, good work noticing. It only took your 30 years to realize why the CR is a 311 page document that gets larger every time new cards come out.

>5 color hero commander
>look inside
>comboslop, plays a few heroes tops
WotC needs to die

i'm old enough to remember people arguing why birds of paradise could wield sword of fire and ice and why it shouldn't
somehow that discussion turned out to be better than arguing why gender iden- i mean color identity is this sacred thing that hybrid cannot touch even though it's been bastardized multiple times by now

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>>98323355
>"competitive" edh decks
>look inside
>every single one of them is trying to do a Thoracle or Underworld Breach combo

Does anyone have a pic of that custom card that's the American flag in pips and the effect is "do whatever you want" or something? I think there's an eagle crying on it.

I, personally, would like nothing more than the fundamentals of this game get rooted up one after another
fuck the colorpie, give everything counters
fuck the identity and deck limit, let me play anything I want
but above all
fuck the lore and logic, 13 squirrels vs emrakul all the way every day

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>>98323448
It blows my mind Thoracle and Breach are from the same set. If Theros Beyond Death never saw print the two best wincons just wouldn't exist.

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>>98322437
>TQ: What's your favorite thing about 5c commanders?
A bunch of them are Slivers.

>>98323147
also a good card even though they don't go in all of the same decks
>>98322881
>getting to bounce it for a second scoop is funny.
yes, the look on people's faces when they realize that whoever casts the next juicy spell is going to be baiting a second dragon, is lots of fun lol

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>>98322601
We've had colorpie exceptions for almost 20 fucking years at this point anon

>>98322663
It's a bad take to categorically elevate original sets over UB sets purely on that distinction, it reeks of knowing no ball. Sorry, Dragon's Maze and Aether Revolt were some of the worst sets ever printed! Spider-Man is significantly better!

>>98323989
>It's a bad take to categorically elevate original sets over UB sets purely on that distinction
Hard disagree
Magic is always better without UB, in no way is shoving IP into magics systems going to yield kino, it's purely a marketing stunt and marketers make poor mtg designers
Also you are gay and retarded

>>98323989
I know this is bait but Spiderman is genuinely a bottom 5 set, I just wish autismos wouldn't blindly hate on on good UB sets like FF

>>98324012
Final Fantasy is automatically a bad set for reminding me of Lightning

>>98323989
>Sorry, Dragon's Maze and Aether Revolt were some of the worst sets ever printed
haha yeah
>Spider-Man is significantly better!
... no

>>98324005
I've seen what magic was like before UB and frankly UB has been Atlas for it since its inception.
>>98324012
>>98324032
Spiderman isn't even bottom ten worst sets, WOTC has printed some real stinkers in their time. Some of these I give you a pass on not knowing because they're unc and you wouldn't have been born for another 5-10 years. In no particular order:
>Prophecy
>Fallen Empires
>Saviors of Kamigawa
>The Dark
>BFZ
>Born of the Gods
>Chronicles
>Dragon's Maze
>Aether Revolt
>Unfinity
honorable mentions:
>Ikoria
>Capenna
>Aetherdrift
>Murders at Karlov Manor

>>98324044
>>Dragon's Maze
still no

>>98324044
fallen empires is the most ludokino set ever produced

>>98324050
Only tourists don't dunk on DGM, set was complete dogshit to draft, complete dogshit to open, easily the worst modern magic set
>>98324057
I give early sets a little more leeway but many of them were very not good, the only vaguely notable cards out of FEM (yes, thats its actual set code) is High Tide and the sacland cycle

>>98324012
Sorry, I'm not queer so the FF set has nothing "good" to offer me.

>>98324044
>likes Neon Dynasty
Opinion disregarded.

>>98324069
gtc was literally a worse draft environment, dgm+gtc+rtr was fine even though it had too many cluestones
was it a bad set well yeah it was underpowered, was it worse than spooderman absolutely fucking not

>>98324084
>t. drafted no spiderman

I like sets that have cool cards in them

>>98324090
I did draft Spider-Man, in fact I drafted it in person and on arena until I got bored of picking gw every single time, and incidentally the experience was quite reminiscent of drafting gtc in that half the pod could be in one color pair and it would still be wrong not to pick your 3rd Spectacular Tactics / Skyknight Legionnaire

>Foil Borderless Buster Sword at $200
Holy fuck lmao

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https://moxfield.com/decks/QfSL-XwVOESa9KEeJD9wog
are these the only ticket cards in WB? might not be viable as a main mechanic

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>>98324044
>honorable mentions:
>Capenna
>Aetherdrift
These sets were hated because of their aesthetic themes mostly.
Capenna was a really bad draft but didn't contain anything outright broken for constructed and has a lot of fun but fair build arounds for EDH.
Aetherdrift was actually a fun set to draft and looking past start your engines actually has a lot of playables. Niggas just got mad about the cars.

Born of the Gods remains my most hated set. Opened so much of that one and all of it was as worthless as the cardboard it was printed on. Spirit of the Labyrinth is the only card from it I still play.

>>98323989
>>98324012
Spider-man was still worse than Lorwyn Eclipsed. Same as Avatar. Final Fantasy was far more glazed than the Marvel set. They all suck compared to Dragonstorm or Edge of Eternities.

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Bow down to the one true queen of mono green, peasant

>>98324209
>Edge of Eternities
The best and most creative set WotC has made in years. Honestly I don't know how they managed to pull it off.

>>98324205
UB hatred is purely aesthetic too so its pretty fitting

>>98323098
I don't care about cedh

>>98323565
Unfortunately Thoracle is "just" an evolution of Lab Man which was a game-warping wincon even back in 2011. Getting rid of Thoracle doesn't really fix the problem that Lab Man introduced by turning a loss condition into a wincon.

>>98323140
On its face, Elesh Norn. Actually reading into the card, though, Mother of Machines is the most acceptable.

Speaking of older sets, is there anything good in Battle for Zendikar? Went to my LGS to buy sleeves and noticed they had some packs from that still there on display.

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>>98324329
If you get lucky the expeditions are all worth a pretty penny. Main set is Ulamog or bust and it's still not a huge money card. Prepare to be let down if you rip it.

>>98324305
Ward - (1) or 2 life seems innocuous enough, will flipping her to Saga mode turn the whole table on me?

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damn he shits all over low level brackets

>>98324209
>Dragonstorm
We are not starting this again

>>98324403
I wasted so much time trying to make this pos work for my Standard Dimir Rats deck
I don't know why the Dimir Rat legendary for the set had nothing to do with the tribe's theme but fuck Wizards for doing that

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>>98324044
There's a large recency bias with most players because they didn't play the game before 2023. They don't fully grasp how the worst Magic sets weren't the ones that generated tons of hype online about how it's totally the end of UB forever. They were the 2nd/3rd sets of a block that was so bland and uninteresting nobody cared about them. People say blocks made the story better (lol) but sets 2/3 of a block sold poorly so often that WotC dropped them the moment they actually had the resources to develop set 1-sized sets all year.

>>98324424
he says, 4th set into NYC block

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>>98324044
>MFW liked Murders at Karlov Manor and Capenna
It's no Avacyn restored but they still worked for me more than Outlaws of Thunder Junction with its nogunz in a cowboy setting bullshit

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>>98324210
She might be the queen, but Azusa is the princess.

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>>98324044
At least older sets had the excuse of: the designers had no idea what they were doing at the time, the internet wasn't as robust a feedback machine, the cards had generally good art, and/or there wasn't a massive top down push to sell cards regardless of quality. Older sets sucked by mistake.

Spider Man has no excuse. The designers know full well now what does and doesn't work, they know what is and isn't popular among fans, the art is fucking garbage even on a technical level, and there was no love or effort put into it beyond cold calculating corpocapitalism from out of touch boomer execs who are 15 years behind popular trends.

Spiderman is the worst set ever made (so far) because they knew better than to make it and could have done better making it but still made it anyways and they phoned everything about it in. There is no excuse, they just didn't give a fuck.

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I really just want to know what the fuck Gambit's card is gonna be like so I can start to theorycraft and build a themed deck around since he's the one Marvel guy I will do the basedboy point at when I see him in stuff

>>98324518
Spiderman was clearly pressured into being a full draftable set from the original plan to be like an AC micro-set. If you look at it side by side with TMNT for whatever design decisions there were it was clearly much more intentionally designed and worked through.

I'm hesitant to call it the worst set ever, only because I started playing back in Mirrodin, so I don't know shit about how older sets were received, but compared to other recent releases it was pretty flat. Some sets are crazy and wild failures on account of being experimental and interesting, SPM is mostly just bland with the added problem that over half the cards are capital S "Spiderman", turning tables into a comedy routine "I'm going to swing with spiderman" "I block with spiderman" "Well I'm going to webswing spiderman for spiderman..."

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>>98324210
*blocks your nuts*

>>98324210
That’s not Selvala.

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Finally, it is complete!

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>>98324210

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>>98324564
That's one ugly "woman"
>>98324210
Secret Tifa-tech

>>98324558
He's a heterosexual white male so knowing WotC it will not be good.

>>98324597
Quality bracket 4 pile with some questionable choices. I envy that Jeska's Will tho

>>98324558
>[TAP], Exile a card from your hand, then you must insert random French words into every sentence you speak for the rest of the game. For as long as you manage this, you can cast the exiled card.
>Whenever you cast a card exile with Gambit, he deals 3 damage to each opponent.

>>98324734
>jeska's
Thanks, nabbed it from my LGS for an okay price. What changes would you make? I'm pretty open to trying new things out, if I don't like it then it can just become trade bait.

>>98324428
4th set of a block that's actually selling well, contrasting basically every other block in history where sales went down over time.

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When will Wizards make another version of this that hasn't been power-crept? I want to cast a big wurm while searching my library and slam it down and not have the table laugh at my 9/5.

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>ban most of the banlist
>bring back the old tuck rule
>bring back the old legendary rule
>ban UB by default

There. I fixed the format.

>>98324564
>>98324210
Is this what passes for mtg art nowadays

>made my first friend at my local game shop playing MTG
>he's depressed and wants to kill himself
Lmao what luck...

I am on a huge biomass kick. I just watched The Thing and replayed Carrion (great game). What is a commander for this vibe? I'll play Prototype in the meanwhile.

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>>98324851

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>>98324841
>Is this what passes for mtg art nowadays
Yep!

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>>98324856
(2020) That was the start of the end

>>98324856
>>98324871
Me bottom right.

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>>98324800
That would go great in my Selvala deck!

>>98324728
Honestly even if he's total dogshit with no abilities in a color I don't enjoy like Blue or Black, I'll still make something since he's my GOAT
>>98324740
I got some Cajun family so I actually can manage that, fuck yeah

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>>98324851

>>98324841
It's an attractive woman with large breasts, you should be impressed the MTG artists drew it without killing themselves
>>98324856
Grim

>>98324903
>It's an attractive woman with large breasts, you should be impressed the MTG artists drew it without killing themselves
It never ceases to amaze me the difference between old stuff and now. Even ATLA had attractive women. But now everyone has to be brown, gay, flat chested. Basically this >>98324871

When you start playing with multiple UB sets though it just gets so fucking sloppy. Cloud on a fucking skateboard from TMNT with a chainsaw from an 80s horror film. I'm so over it. At least I can play cube with my friends. They like my cubes. Some are UB set cubes but most are older cards, my mono blue cube is a particular favorite for my group.

>>98324953
That never happens in FF cards btw

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>>98324953
>with a chainsaw from an 80s horror film
that's UW though so you can't be mad at it

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>>98324953
>Cloud on a fucking skateboard from TMNT with a chainsaw from an 80s horror film
I know you're trying to make a point with that, anon, I get it, but that sounds like the coolest fucking thing ever

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Teysa looks like a hooker

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Do you play with banned cards? How does your group feel about it?
>also post decks

>>98324383
She's a much better Norn's Annex, but yes, I do mean the flip side being a reusable boardwipe + overrun effect, yeah, and flipping her having an inconsiquential mana cost (after the first activation since each activation gives you 5 token creatures)

>>98325112
I only play FF cards and they're all legal, nice deck btw

>>98325030
Man, Duskmourn could have been kino if they cut all the retarded 80s tech shit and just made it haunted house world. It's like 70% Victorian-esque aesthetics and then randomly there's some dweeb in a bright jacket carrying a toaster. Lame.

>>98325176
It was kino though
>Victorian
Victorian is no more fantasy than modern.

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>>98325112

>>98325184
If you don't understand why having a smattering of 80s do-dads and retards in bright spandex is anachronistic with the primary aesthetic of the plane, I can't help you. Hint: it has nothing to do with Modern aesthetics being more or less "fantasy" than the Victorian.

>Pod I usually play in got interested in cedh
>Sure I'll give it a go I guess
>Try it, its fine, has its problems but every format does
>Try to go back to regular bracket 3 ass magic
>Pod just outright refuses to play casual anymore
>"But anon I like cedh because we're all on the same power level"
>Literally the same game every week of just blue farm/kinnan/etali slop
>"meta" in the lgs is now incredibly stale, boring, and predictable

I'm tired boss.

>>98322601
But you don’t understand, spider-man has to be izzet because his costume is red and blue

>>98325267
People here were literally complaining that he wasn't Izzet back during spiderman spoilers.

>>98325276
What do you expect of ubpiggies?

How do you make a deck with different lines of play without spreading yourself thin and hurting your consistency?

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>>98325276
he's a wisecracking nerd with super instincts, if it wasn't for the fact that he needed to define himself in comparison to 92 other Spiders-Men, of which he is "the generic one", I think izzet would have been the best fit for him (although if there was exactly one Spider-Man card, wotc would have made him Jeskai for edh purposes lol)
>>98324841
you know how somewhat awkward guys have always brought somewhat cringe alters, yknow like "this is my Azusa deck except uhhh it's Azusa from K-On" or "it's Rakdos Lord of Riots but it's Madara Uchiha". yeah well wizards realized they could sell pre-altered cards to these unfortunate retards, so picrel is 70 bucks lol.
>>98324210
I always thought green was a weird pick for her but that's UB for you

>>98325318
You don't. They will 100% be hurt. You can mitigate that by only including the best pieces of each line and having way more draw, way more.

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Can someone explain why Chrome Mox and Mox Diamond are good in cEDH and bracket 4? It seems that the card disadvantage would be greater than the fast mana, especially if the card or land you're exiling is needed for the deck. If you're just going to exile it, then why did you even include it in the first place?

>>98325326
Now I make based alters of cringe pre-altered cards to make them in-universe.

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>>98322437
Dollhouse of Horrors.
I have my commander on my graveyard and I activate the dollhouse, then I move my commander into the command zone instead of the graveyard. The token is created regardless. I just did this on arena so I know it's a legal move. I'd like some rules lawyers to point me to the relevant rules in action because I know I will need this information when trying to pull this off on paper this weekend.

>>98325340
Well for one, Mox Diamond doesn't exile the land. Two just simply don't imprint a card you know you'll need.
>If you're just going to exile it, then why did you even include it in the first place?
Oh wait you're an actual 30 IQ retard, not even going to bother any further.

>>98325318
>how do I A, while also A'?
at least you've identified the contradiction.

but as anon says, you can't. this is the tradeoff of all tradeoffs in deck building.
but don't despair, because this is where the fun begins. especially in edh, where "win at all costs" is explicitly not the goal of deckbuilding.

>>98325340
The CA and tutors are so powerful in these brackets the card disadvantage from the fast mana rocks is worth it in exchange for turboing out a combo win or value enginelike Rhystic.

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>>98325354
>then I move my commander into the command zone instead of the graveyard.
I meant instead of the exile zone.

>>98325340
Tell that to pitch evoke cards. Value for no mana in ridiculously good, especially when it generates permanent resources. The card you pitch is whatever is the situationally worst card you have in your hand, it's not included in the deck just to pitch, and card draw is pretty easy to come by, though often you're just tutoring for you wincons so the cards in your hand that don't do that aren't that important.
>t. Guy who watches non-cedh competitive

>>98325354
Yeah, it doesn't continually reference the exiled card, just when you pay the cost, so it works. It would not work with something like imprint since the exiled card needs to be continually referenced.
Did you mean to post here, cause the TQ in the antiub thread fits more.

>>98325354
it's the same exact rule that puts your commander in the command zone when it dies.
>903.9a If a commander is in a graveyard or in exile and that object was put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked, its owner may put it into the command zone. This is a state-based action. See rule 704.
you exile your commander from your gy with Dollhouse.
>is your commander in a graveyard or in exile?
yup, it's in exile.
>was it put into that zone since the last time state-based actions were checked?
yup, it used to be in the graveyard and now it's in exile.

therefore you may put it into your command zone as a statebased action. decks that attempt to reanimate their commander also take advantage of this rule if someone plays a Rest in Peace or whatever.

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>>98325341
theoretically based, but I don't believe you until you post at least one that you made.

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>>98325382
Sadly just paper proxies (the tawnos one isn't ub, it's just an ugly card). I need to see if my library will print color on card stock.

What is the most likely next UB that is also most likely to asshurt this genera massivelyl?

>>98325394
>Experiment One with Momir's face on it
I'm dying lol. I love these

>>98325395
there are literally no remaining UB properties that are not terrible ideas.
my guess for next year is X-Men + Legend of Korra + 1 new property which will also be terrible

>>98325412
Elderscrolls and souls-shit fits fine and has plenty of content.

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I really, really miss the old legendary rule. The way it works now, legendary is practically meaningless. Cards like this would seriously change games, and make people rethink their strategies.

>>98325416
Most of them got fired yesterday, 80% more or less never gonna happen

>>98325412
>there are literally no remaining UB properties that are not terrible ideas.
Except for:
Elder Scrolls
Warcraft/DotA
God of War
Dragon Quest
Legend of Zelda
Any Soulslike series

There are so many Swords-and-Sorcery themes out there that Magic players would love to sink money into if it became a UB set

>>98325425
I am not going to spend time trying to figure out what the fuck this means.

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>>98325431
she deserved better...

>>98325434
Why are you such a passive agressive fruity?

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what is next on GōtC's roadmap for this year? When are we getting more reality fracture spoilers and is it true its not going to be a planar chaos set with new cards in different colors and just in universe characters in different colors (so essentially, fucking stupid)

how about that card "vandals edit" 1wb draw 2 cards and each player loses 2 life. are they going to print that standalone or not

>>98325431
>Elder Scrolls
never gonna happen now

>>98325441
Firings in video games have nothing to do with anything.

>>98325416
Do the people that could have even ok'd that even exist at Microsoft anymore? We might literally see Abstracted Jax Massacre Girl and Bubble Trinisphere before a Dagoth Ur god card since that company is currently imploding. Here's hoping for a Humanity token someday.

>>98325444
>Um is microsoft even aware of this absurdly massive IP?
Your opinion is microsoft will never use elderscrolls (despite confirming the game is still being made) because...reasons.

>>98325421
I took a long break from magic and was really surprised a few months ago when I played Clone targeting someone's commander (this was on magic online) and it didn't kill them. what the actual fuck

>>98325443
It's your right to believe that, lol.

>>98325443
I don't think you realize just how much Microsoft literally gutted the core of Bethesda recently. We'll be lucky to even still have Todd at this rate.

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>>98325444
>Abstracted Jax
TADC would sure cause seethe.

>>98325416
Dark Souls (or rather Elden Ring) is the most fitting crossover that hasn't been done yet but I question whether they can swing it.
But I forgot about Elder Scrolls, that seems obvious given that Fallout already happened. so there's my prediction, Korra + X-Men and Elder Scrolls as the summer set.
>>98325425
how many Beth / MS staff really need to be involved in a UB set? I feel like they would just send a couple of guys to rubber stamp card designs and artwork

>>98325450
Stop projecting whatever gamer drama you think I'm holding onto me, retard. No one thinks TESVI is cancelled.

>>98325456
You're arguing with a faggot that's never wrong btw. I can smell him from here literally.

>>98325431
GoW would suck and the rest I just don't think are gonna happen except for TES maybe

they would get my ass to the LGS for a Zelda set and I'm very ashamed to admit that... but I don't think it'll happen

>>98325441
why would elder scrolls not do a magic thing now? its been super long overdue and almost BIZAARE that it hasn't been done yet. so many iconic things that actually FIT magic, like LOTR and final fantasy unlike RACE CARS and NUKES and SPACE SHIT

seriously shit like Gray Fox's Cowl and Nightingale Blade, Chillrend, Daedric Sword so many great potential equipment tons of actual flavorful shit for thieves (rogues) various mages/wizards. get a reprint of Demonic Tutor with an oblivion gate on it

stuff from all the games would fit but stuff from oblivion and Skyrim and even Morrowind would make the shit have chase cards not far behind LOTR and FF IMO

>>98325459
Would play that shit alongside the Spongebob and Fortnite cards desu. Want to make the gayest deck I possibly can with exclusively UB slop over the years.

>>98325431
>God of War
We already had that.

>>98325481
We also already have Warcraft cards too, I'm assuming he means a full on set with each of those.

>>98325477
Company is exploding right now, and if it happens it will be like in 2030 when TES:6 releases and either be a total failure, or a gaming defining moment. But as it stands? Not happening.

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>>98325485
>We also already have Warcraft cards too
... we do?

>>98323735
Are you genuinely retarded?
We have had color pie exceptions since the 1993. You can pick literally any point in Magic's history and find color pie breaks.

>>98325421
The legend rule was never good in any iteration.

>>98325493
>>98325485
No?

>>98325493
Yeah you have the Blood Bowl secret lair cards. :^)

>>98325493
Yea, Hearthstone lol

>>98324044
>Chronicles
Including a glorified core set is both disingenuous and outs you as a larper who wasn't playing at the time either.

>>98325491
oh bummer. well with how long they take to make games nowadays some big changes were necessary. I dont think that affects wizards making UB sets though. they have to sign off on the stuff but wizards takes all the materials, lore style guides etc and makes the cards themselves. as far as I understand

>>98324044
chronicles was great and allowed tons of lower priced reprints of shit that was getting pricy and now today are still cheap versions of Arabian nights and legends cards

only coomlectors thought it was a bad set

>>98325421
No that's a retarded idea

>>98325514
Maybe this will be a good thing after all, a TES set with literally zero actual influence from modern day Bethesda, purely based on the lore they put into their Pocket Guide to the Empire.

>>98325421
Nigga the card is literally CLONE, you CLONED their guy. Do you think you would suddenly die if someone CLONED YOU?

>>98325510
>Core sets don't count because... they just don't!
I'm sure everyone hated Foundations.

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>>98325535
You don't understand bro blue needs more kill spells. It's not enough to run Pongify I also need my kill spell to also be a wincon with Felidar Guardian.

>>98325535
yeah because you cant be in two places at once retard

Capcom allowing a UB set is more realistic than an Elder Scrolls set btw and yes I remember that horrendous Monster Hunter Secret Lair shit lol

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>>98325567
I'M A BIG GUY.

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the original legend rule was pretty flavorful but they weren't concerned with the lore too much given the existence of clone effects and eventually Ascendant Evincar, maybe some others I'm forgetting
>>98325567
yeah there's this famous arc in Spider-Man called the Clone Saga where Spider-Man sees a clone of himself and they both just wink out of existence

>>98325570
the Fallout decks already happened though, what's the problem?

and what would a Capcom set be, even? Resident Evil? Street Fighter? Megaman? Just every Capcom thing all at once? Marvel vs Capcom without the Marvel?
eurgh now that I've written it I realize that's what they would actually do. never mind.

Hey fellers, I’m working on a Jund deck where I’m sacrificing rat colonies for value. I haven’t had time to organise a land base but are there any decent recursion engines you would recommend?

https://archidekt.com/decks/24153978/flying_freak_leader_of_the_rodent_freaks

>>98325581
I pay 2 to equip my Birds of Paradise with Jill's Samurai Edge giving +2/+0 and whenever a creature blocks a creature equipped with Jill's Samurai Edge, roll a d20. 1- critical miss, detach samurai edge 2-19: BURY target creature since it just got shot by a GUN 20: exile target creature

>>98325583
I like running shit like Gravepurge or Forever Young since it's pretty easy to redraw your rats with shit like Skull Clamp and the like. Top of Library is barely a step away from them being in hand in decks like this.
There's also Cauldron of Essence of Cauldron of Eternity for repeatable revive effects, though Eternity shoves them to bottom of deck so you gotta shuffle if you want to find your rats again.

>>98325595
>bury
I played re1 and the enemies I shot could most definitely be regenerated

>>98325480
I hope you're excited for the upcoming Kpop Demon Hunters Secret Lair drop.

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>>98325595
>BARRY target creature

>>98325595
>Flavor text: It's really powerful, especially against living things.

>>98325601
Unironically yeah.

>>98325581
>Devil May Cry and Resident Evil have a decent amount of enemies to turn into legend and non-legend guys + the protags. Could be a decent dual IP UB
>Monster Hunter has a fuck ton of choices on every front, could honestly be it's own set
I doubt we'll get a capcom UB as a full on set but I do admit it'd be nice to get a monster hunter set.

>>98325412
>Legend of Korra
They definitely want to do this for all the virtue signal gay points they'd earn, but there's no way they can justify it with the netflix show and new animated movie flopping so hard.

>>98325615
>animated movie flopping
Animated movie is only flopping because they pulled it from a theatrical release so someone spite leaked it