>>98323817
>Can you please reiterate your crimes to the auditor?
I ran Beast.

>>98323817
>Can you please reiterate your crimes to the auditor?
Infernalism, obviously.
This should only be a temporary pit stop anyway, I already have a resurrection bought and paid for.

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It seems the only way to get my group to try Vampire is by running it myself. I have no idea how to do it though, last time I tried running a game was half a lifetime ago in highschool, and that was a regular fantasy rpg.
I guess V:DA would be the way to go in this case, but even then the focus is more on social encounters and intrigues, right? So how would you run a oneshot in this case? I know where to find pregenerated characters, but I can't come up with something for them to do.

Also, do you have any general advice for new storytellers?

>>98323817
>Can you please reiterate your crimes to the auditor?
The ST had thought up a complex interaction between a chronicle long-term antagonist and my PC and I ruined it with juvenile humor.

>>98320947
I'll see what I can do. I found a fan game called "Demon: the Return" that I'll probably use heavily for inspiration.

>>98323840
I wrote Beast: the Primordial.

>>98323858
You should probably plan rough story beats but not so specific that there's no room to improvise, you cannot trust anyone to actually be rational in a ttrpg

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I love VtMB. If I were to start playing the TTRPG, which edition would be best?

>>98323817
Regarding population numbers in Cofd. Greater London for example - I´ve seen estimates for Werewolves as low as 8 and as high as 120. What would actually make more sense there? For me the dog population numbers tend to be the hardest to pin down in general

>>98323986
I strongly recommend Vampire the Requiem 2e. Vampire the Masquerade is for people who like arguing about lore and don't actually play games.

>>98323986
Whichever you can actually find a group for.
Personally, I like Dark Age, though that's more VtMRedemption than VtMBloodlines.

>>98323817
>I started a cult
>I masqueraded as a god
>I fed on the blood of the innocent, though it was given & never taken by force or falsehood
>I killed many people, Kindred, Garou, etc.
>I diablerized Demons to learn their secrets
>I dug up many a man's grave to feast on their skull & gain their strengths
>I sacrificed the entire population of a prison in El Salvador to grant myself power
>I forced spirits to obey my commands
>I forced kindred to serve my will through bonds of blood
>I bribed wraith to do my bidding
>I have lied, cheated, & stolen for power & knowledge, though I have never harmed the innocent
>I have dared to stitch to myself every facet of creation I could so that I might become something greater than every shadow of once great power that stalks the earth
>I never did my taxes
>I blew up Elesium but only just once
>for all my searching for immortality it seems I have died just the same

>>98323986
V:20 DA rules but run it in modern nights

>>98324021
what would the difference be to normal v20?

>>98323993
Depends if you're playing Werewolf or if Werewolves will interfere with the setting or the themes of the game.
>Playing werewolf
Numbers should be at the upper end in major metropolitan or regional areas to better engage in splat politics and have more splat antagonists
>Playing another splat
Maybe more conservative middle ground, like in an 8-120 range, maybe 20-40 total
>Interfere with the setting, game, or themes
Should be as rare as you want as the ST, if you aren't a werewolf you're unlikely to ever meet a werewolf anyway

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Be honest. Would you?

>>98324114
Does her second head talk?

>>98323817
i hijacked a human trafficking org but instead of freeing the prisoners i turned them into a organ pit

i then tried to pin my brand new organ pit on another guy to avoid getting rightfully executed for it and the guy turned out to have been a actual infernalist which caused a full out war between a camarilla and infernal court that killed like 200 people

and i still need to make another pit to make up for the one i lost...

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>>98324114
I'd rather...

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>>98323986
Like the other anon said, DAV20 corebook has the most polished ruleset. Check out V20 Lore of the Clans for funsies, or V20 Corebook if you need modern tables about guns or more references to clans in the Modern Nights. Feel free to eye up any clanbooks you like too, it's all in the mega. And ignore anything that has V5 written on it.

>>98324167
>V20 Lore of the Clans
The old clanbooks were way better though. Having a book for each clan gave them a lot more room for interesting lore rather than the cliffnotes version we get in the 20th book.
The 20th writers also seem to have forgotten a lot of lore from them too, like the ventrue clanbook hinting that [Ventrue] isn't just still unalive, but has been in charge of the camarilla since the inception.

>>98323817
Sex with mages

>>98324244
I put on my robe and wizard hat

>>98324244
Depends on the mage

>>98324244
which changing breed typed this?

>>98324251
We've been over this. If the mage is male, it is always a Bastet. If the mage is female, it is always a Garou.

>>98324275
Not all white men fuck cats and not all white women fuck dogs though

>>98324275
what if the Mage is a technocrat, can he still have a Bastet fuck buddy?

>>98324291
Garou BSD clandestine relationship with the HR team

>>98324280
Again. We've been over this, Anon. It's just how it works. If a wizard does not fuck a cat, he is a sexless Incel Greybeard. If a witch does not have a Garou Boyfriend, she is an old crone.

>>98324244
hardcore and i mean hardcore! bone breaking, flesh tearing sex with mummies

>>98324295
What if they're fucking the spiders or lizards?

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>>98324320
>spiders
technocrats
>lizards
elder rain forest dream speakers if you mean the mokole or if you mean the snakes then egpytian mages and mummies because the nagah joined the anti aphophis and the setites group in revised

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>>98324114
yes, of course I would.

>>98324348
The obvious answer is yes, it is still incest.
Granted, demons are sterile without that fertility orb they made in the age of wrath, so a demon sister will require more work to make a proper hapsburg ancestor.

>>98324381
>Hermetics, Euthanatoi, Sons of Ether, and the rest of the technocracy are permanently lonely sexless chud wizards
Avatars are bait.

A (Good) WTA vidya would probably be a hack and slash like Ninja Gaiden or GOW with a bit of The Suffering mixed in.
A HTR game would basically be a Resident Evil game.
A Changeling game would be different depending on which version.
The Dreaming would probably be a game like Undertale or Earthbound. That kinda vibe.
The Lost, which I kinda prefer NGL, would be more akin to Pathologic or The Void
Deviant The Renegades would be akin to the new DOOM games

>>98324473
a good dtf game would be Black & White set in a modern setting
>The Dreaming would probably be a game like Undertale or Earthbound. That kinda vibe.
i could also see a alice maddness returns kinda game

>>98324478
Eh, too actiony but I get the vibe

>>98324473
A good HTR game shouldn't be a resident evil game, that cheapens the power difference, assuming non imbued hunters. No idea how you'd do it but it'd be 95% prep/infiltration/getting close and 5% actual fight with all cards stacked in your favor and it's still fucking hard.

>>98323858
id recommend using Alien Hunger as template if you want to bring them in from the very beginning of unlife

>>98324507
RE2-esque with the occasional vamp boss fight could work well, zombies are in Wod and they're pretty weak. I imagine amnesia with some moments of turnaround works better for non-Reckoning though

>>98324500
ctd also features stuff like sidhe knight dragon hunter parties, giant armies of spider people to murder, death knights chasing you even out of the dreaming and then having a horse to car chase and it's toj warns you that it has the danger of devolving into faehammer 40k. the dreaming in general is the one place in wod where you can have high heavy metal fantasy nonsense you are however meant to balance that with a roughly equal time spend on earth so to not get lost in your fae side

so action is not a problem for a ctd game

>>98324507
Any ideas of what kinda games we're going for?

>>98324513
So Amnesia The Bunker but with a full world, more tools, and killable enemies?

>>98324515
I was thinking a sort of infiltration game like splinter cell or mgs where fighting is bad and costs you resources.
>>98324513
yeah I thought about this, also more realistically mortal lackeys and ghouls. Not everybody has zeds. Still, WoD tends towards realismfagging so just one hunter taking out dozens of ghoul gangbangers is a bit eh.

>>98324275
couldnt give my love to a Bastet. they are whores and tricksters.

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So, what exactly do Mages do in games? They have god powers outright at the start, so I would think it gets boring and breaks apart quickly.

>>98323277
>You do not belong in this world. You represent the truths only acknowledged in the most taboo desires and the most terrifying nightmares. You are the things knocking at the door, the demons that priests ward off, the eldritch beings that Lovecraft wrote about, the creepypastas, what the SCP foundation and other creepypasta are often inspired by. Mankind and its allies built Reality. To. Keep. You. OUT.
>But you have no powers over the foundations of reality, no advantages from being a former angel like Fallen or Descent have. Because you were never an angel. You never belonged.
Yes and no. I would say that demons are in fact fundamental to the world, especially those associated with primordial chaos. But such a foundation is unstable and even insubstantial (being spiritual, after all). Maybe we could even slip in an antagonist faction similar to the Heroes from Beast: the Primordial to represent civilization/order in the Chaoskampf.
>You might have some personal powers, like an oni's strength (assuming we slot oni and other ogre-types under demon instead of under fae/changeling, I'm not sure where they'd fit better)
Yeah, I'm never sure how to categorize most Asian monsters.
>Personally I'd use things such as the Urge Wyrms or the Urges of the Infernal Exalted as central themes for their powers: Corruption, Consumption, Subjugation...
Tell me more about these. I've never played Exalted, but I did read part of The Keychain of Creation.
https://keychain.patternspider.net/archives.html

>>98324542
they dont get the cool god powers until they get their mind expanded with sex and drugs or praying and fasting or whatever gets them to higher arete which is their understanding of the universe and how to manipulate it further.

iv never had the opportunity to run or play in a mage game but from what iv read and how id run it is basically a soul quest or spirit journey trying to enforce your paradigm into the world while trying to stop people from fucking it up and gaining esoteric knowledge to better help with that quest and get closer to ascension and being a God/Prophet/Magick man in the sky

>pitching inspirational games for a theoretical HtR game
>nobody mentions Commandos
>nobody mentions Syndicate
>nobody mentions Desperados
Zoomers, I swear.

>>98324533
It is the oldest profession in the world for a reason, Anon. 1 real and true mystical esoteric secret per dick destroying cat tongue blowjob. You'll need Life 3 and quint to heal from this one, I promise.

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>>98324542
They investigate the mysteries of the universe, balancing their Wisdom against their Gnosis.

>>98324542
>So, what exactly do Mages do in games?
in my experience? either cry about exp costs all game and get nothing done or building the coolest club house you can imagine

>>98324542
Mages are the absolute peak of POTENTIAL MAN. The average chargen mage will get mogged by the average chargen vampire in a dark alleyway. Mages are ultra hardmode for a ST because every single session can just fucking go anywhere and every single mage PC can pull out retarded as fuck tricks straight out of their ass. It's not actually in combat that mages are a problem, it's when they have time that they can accumulate successes that things really get fucked, quick.
A chargen mage gets obliterated by a shovelhead in an alleyway, but that same mage might learn the true name of a leech and subsequently, without any counterplay or warning, obliterate that leech from 100km away.

>>98324542
They look into the universe and find out how to get more big tiddy girls.

>>98324542
argue for 2 hours over what counts and doesn't count as coincidental magic

>>98324521
That'd be kino
>>98324528
A bit of a problem with RE-esque game and ghouls is barring a more action focused game like 4 or 8, your character isn't going to be powerful enough to take on ghouls given they're already enhanced, unless you have extenuating circumstances. If you were imbued though you could go pretty ham on like a vampire mafia with a bunch of disposable ghoul goons. Logistics in video games are less important than story coherency and aesthetics

>>98324575
I know these

>>98324515
I'm not sure about an existing example, but a hunter video game would be something like The Ship or Among Us (In that you're given a target to kill, and the target can't immediately distinguish you from the rest of the chaff) mixed with Monster Hunter and Hitman, but the majority of gameplay is in the prep work. You'd spend multiple days just identifying your target, a couple of weeks studying their habits and capabilities, time to structure a trap or fight that gives you every possible advantage, and finally have a knock down, drag out fight against something far more powerful than you with only one chance to catch it on relatively equal footing, and if it gets away it will hunt you for the rest of your days.

I don't know anything that would quite be like it currently out.

>>98324674
>A bit of a problem with RE-esque game and ghouls is barring a more action focused game like 4 or 8, your character isn't going to be powerful enough to take on ghouls given they're already enhanced, unless you have extenuating circumstances. If you were imbued though you could go pretty ham on like a vampire mafia with a bunch of disposable ghoul goons. Logistics in video games are less important than story coherency and aesthetics

That is exactly what I said. But in the context of an infiltration game, it becomes less egregious. A ghoul will still drop to a headshot from the dark, at least if you play the setting like it's intended instead of how the mechanics work out.

>>98324747
Sounds fucking awesome, but sadly 99% of all studios will handle it like a hack 'n slash where you mow through ghouls and vampires until you solo fight a methuselah in a direct confrontation with an assault rifle and a dream.

>>98324581
>balancing their Wisdom against their Gnosis
Anon, gnosis is wisdom.

>>98324754
It boggles my mind that early whitewolf managed to do a perfect vampire videogame, but fucked up the werewolf games so hard they went bankrupt.
Easiest shot in the world, yet they missed it so hard they shot themselves in the head.

>>98324610
>The average chargen mage will get mogged by the average chargen vampire in a dark alleyway
Hell, isn't it canon that a majority of mages stay at Arete 1 or 2?

>>98324755
Nice try, Tremere Lich!

>>98324761
at least in the traditions yes. arete and at least one sphere at 2 is when the order of hermes is already trying to strong arm you into a teacher position

>>98324761
yes but the average chargen pc is arete 3 avatar 3 with 6 points of spheres. They are more like a rising star in the traditions if read according to the lore. They are NOT "literally just awakened". On the other hand going further with arete and spheres is very costly.

>>98323817
So uh... what's to stop a bunch of rogue tremere from bribing a rogue hermetic into making new blood magic for them?

With money/power/reagents presumably since vitae kills the avatar

>>98324782
>So uh... what's to stop a bunch of rogue tremere from bribing a rogue hermetic into making new blood magic for them?
My dick.

>>98324782
>So uh... what's to stop a bunch of rogue tremere from bribing a rogue hermetic into making new blood magic for them?
why would they need to? tremere can already just make new blood magic themselves that's why they have over 40 paths and god knows how many rituals listed on the wiki

and those are only the finished ones

>>98324782
Nothing beyond despising tremere, actually. But it takes prime 5 to do this shit. A prime 5 hermetic is a master, not some rogue dickwad. Arete 5 at minimum. This is like top 1% of awakened, who are already rare themselves. Unironically might as well do the arduous task of researching new paths.
If hermetics are gifting any supernatural paths, it's probably gonna be Bubasti. Once again not beating the allegations.

>>98324749
Infiltration, sure yeah. I imagine a ghoul that is aware will pull some TEW hardest difficulty shit and just dodge to the side when you aim at their heads
>>98324754
This is very doable in a game where you self-ghoul by sipping on Vampire vitae like a psychopath until you bad-end yourself
>>98324758
>fucked up the werewolf game so bad they went bankrupt
It's actually hilarious how the entire situation went down
>codevelop a werewolf and a vampire game (redemption and some Gaia shit iirc)
>Gaia game crashes and burns because they got literal who's to do it and redemption is pretty well received
>Somehow, cult classic masterpiece maker Troika gets interested (they have never missed on atmosphere)
>Produces the singular most atmospheric RPG ever put to the market
>They get ambitious and pitch a werewolf game
>werewolf game crashes and burns and Activision/White Wolf refuses to spend more money on Troika
>White Wolf somehow thinks that their retardation will be rewarded by making an MMO and a Mage game (side by side)
>Mage game crashes and burns becaus they got literal who's to do it
>MMO never even makes it past the conceptual phase because the grifter in charge has never even seen a videogame
>WW gets bought by Paradox while Nacon was publishing a Werewolf game
>Publisher decides to make the game baby-retard mode and actively demands cyanide (makes of Call of Cthulhu) actively cut back on RPG mechanics
>game flops because it's tone and lore deaf
>Paradox hires infinity grifters to make Bloodlines 2, none of which are known for making any RPGs
>game crashes and burns no less than 3 times before it releases after a decade of delays
>it sucks because Paradox made the game and the tabletop baby-retard mode to appeal to casuals and because TCR can't make games
Int botches from nearly everyone involved except for Activision, surprisingly. Although they probably fucked up hard on Troika

>>98324782
>>98324804
> it takes prime 5 to do this shit. A prime 5 hermetic is a master, not some rogue dickwad. Arete 5 at minimum.
it actually takes even more. modern hermetic magic and tremere thaum is not compatible anymore because the tremere worked to remove unneeded hermeticisms to fasten up cast time while hermetics keep pilling new stuf unto their magic

it's why counter thaum worked on awakened hermetic magic in the dark ages but does not work on it anymore

and adapting a path from a incombatible style into your blood sorcery takes the same effort as making a new path and 3 times the exp

>>98324816
Pretty sure there is no stipulation that a mage using prime 5 creates a sorcery path that is suitable to his paradigm. I'd judge a hermetic with a reasonable grasp of vitae and vampires can outright create blood sorcery, and can likely also create other types of sorcery for other splats.
Also pretty sure all "nightfolk" can counterspell magic to a degree.

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>>98324187
I recommended it to anon precisely because it's the cliffnotes version - a solid introduction coming from bloodlines. And I also mentioned he should check out the clanbooks he liked.
>like the ventrue clanbook hinting that [Ventrue] isn't just still unalive, but has been in charge of the camarilla since the inception.
It should be pretty obvious
>Our Ante? Doesnt matter, trust me bro, the master of manipulating minds and memories with fortitude 10 got shanked by someone outside the city walls. By who???? Uuuhhh dunno, probably the Brujah, yeah. And of course he didn't plan out or participate in the murder of the 2nd generation and totally was Caine's favourite and that's why he personally left him in charge!

I like to think he's in one of the Ghost Enoch coffins as the Aralu trying to stop his brothers' retarded schemes to destroy the world until daddy Caine comes back with the milk and cigarettes

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>>98324782
local Akashic would calmly explain to the Rogue Hermetic that cross-splat shenanigans do not advance Samadhi before kicking him in the crotch so hard the impact shatters his hip bones and makes his wizard testes explode

>>98324782
the fact that a demon is once again the better option

>>98324782
Tremere dont need Hermeticucks to make new Thaumaturgy Paths. They can just do whatever they want.

Tremere can replicate most existing magics, or steal them wholecloth. These magics get to be powered by Vitae instead of whatever hard to aquire mana resource equivalent like Sekhem(Lifeforce) or whatever. Vitae is infinitely easier to aquire & to store. A Tremere could say, make a deal with a slaughterhouse (or few) for their waste blood, obfuscate the paper trail through some research company, & sit there gorging on cow blood/pig blood & using rituals to store the blood into little red beads/pennies/pebbles/whatever. He can then just carry bags of this stored Vitae around. Hell, he could shove handfuls of Vitae pellets into his gut ready to be absorbed at a moments notice. So they can use or at least mimic most everyone's gimmick, while being able to do it better, more often, & without stopping. Sure, youll say that they cant possible afford all the XP required right? Wrong. A level 5 ritual gives you free XP for everyone you murder in the ritual. Start cults. Share the kool-aid. Try to get as many nobodies as possible all at once. I recommend prisons, refugee camps, anywhere in India (just dodge the Ravnos) couple hundred people wont be missed, & thats around a 50% of that population in XP. Wouldn't you LOVE to have 50+ free XP after bloodbonding a warden in some third world prison & letting him take the blame?
If a Tremere dies its because they were stupid & weak & they deserve to be crushed by the Pyramid. Sure, most players dont have the balls to try crazy shit, they just focus on small time munchkin power & thats just not how you should play a Tremere. Shoot for godhood, & if you die you die with AMBITION

>>98324866
>Wrong. A level 5 ritual gives you free XP for everyone you murder in the ritual. Start cults. Share the kool-aid. Try to get as many nobodies as possible all at once. I recommend prisons, refugee camps, anywhere in India (just dodge the Ravnos) couple hundred people wont be missed, & thats around a 50% of that population in XP.
With the teensy tiny drawback that your ass needs to be an Anarch to start picking up lessons in advanced Anarch sorcery.

>>98324848
Is her fighting wearing only a bra in the upper body some mind rote to distract her opponents? Because it worked on me

>>98324838
Ventrue is definitely part of the Inconnu or the Enoch dudes

>>98324861
>just do a bit of infernalism bro it's not a huge deal, I deal with demons all the time and it's never once backfired on me
>also the elders don't want you to know this but diablerie is super fucking based

>>98324888
>t. ngm
Nice trips

>>98324782
>>98324798
What does it take for someone to invent new blood magic anyhow. Apart from storyteller fiat and paying enough XP to learn a new path that is. Like how does that work in-world for tremere and for the non-hermetics

>>98324872
Almost all magic Paths & Rituals are known to the Pyramid. Even most Necromancy is known. Anarchs would sell their secrets faster than most & if not you can always bag one & torture/bribe the info from them directly

>>98324899
It works on Referee Fiat & XP, theres some guidelines in the DA books but thats about it

>>98324861
>>98324888
Infernalism is the most dogshit sellout waybto gain power. You can just learn a bit of necromancy, then make a pact with a ghost for similar benefits, then just enslave or destroy the ghost

>>98324888
Trips of truth. You heard it here boys. Infernalize and diablerized your way to depths of power far beyond Caine

>>98324861
What am I supposed to do, eat them?

>>98324848
In revenge, the hermetic whispers a final spell with his dying breath MEND CLEAVAGE

>>98324866
>A Tremere could say, make a deal with a slaughterhouse (or few) for their waste blood, obfuscate the paper trail through some research company, & sit there gorging on cow blood/pig blood & using rituals to store the blood into little red beads/pennies/pebbles/whatever.
I'm surprised more chantry neophytes aren't put to vitae beading duty

>>98324904
It wouldn't still be marked as Anarch stuff it was in every Tremere library so you'd better be prepared to do some major asskissing for even brief lectures from whichever ancient fuck would have the tomes (if any at all).

>hmm today I will make a deal with a demon to gain enough power to supplant my sire in the Pyramid hierarchy
>Turns into a ladyboy

>>98324941
Really & truly, its one of the strongest rituals. They should have dedicated ghouls & neonates whos only job is to print blood pellets. Theres all kinds of ways to get waste blood from animals, which dont have a great conversion rate, but its good enough for industrialization. There should be storehouses of blood pellets ready for war & demanding rituals.

All this blood pellet talk is all well and good but if the Tremere are just like the Hermetics but even more based wouldn't they find the thought of chowing down on some refuse blood from a slaughterhouse gay and degrading? It'd be enough to make them reeeeeeee and Chud out at least I think.

>>98324968
Library Merit

>>98325008
Its being filtered through underlings so theres no aftertaste.

>>98325027
Whatever nerd, my blood chalice will be filled by authentic Aryan blood from kidnapped Germans I feed into the gypsy fleshcrafted blood distillery. You can enjoy your neonate-filtered pig blood.

>>98324838
>>98324887
And do you also believe the fact that [Ventrue] is actually a kuudere loli?

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Just an average day in Wraith: the Oblivion
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>>98325009
I don't know how many times you'd need to suck your ST's dick to have them enable gamebreaking bullshit like that without also hitting you with enough consequences to make the whole campaign revolve around it.

Why are Vampire: the Maquerade fans so thin-skinned?

>>98324899
Go read the Caitiff book or the Trememe ones, 1e or revised has the rules for path creation.

>>98324542
>So, what exactly do Mages do in games?
You deal with whatever weird bullshit the ST cooked up.

>>98325068
a good exercise in roleplaying the legendary generational seethe of the tremere who traded their godlike reality altering powers for vampirism.

>>98325068
Something about standing at the top because their game came first and how some of the major problems with the system were solved by the other game lines and needed to be back ported to vampire.

>rage out and accidentally kill my girlfriend
>weird shit starts happening around the house
>fortune teller says she's very angry with me
I mean sure I kidnapped her from a neighboring tribe but surely that isn't enough for her to be mad?

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I had a possibly offensive idea. Perhaps schizophrenics can see demons and/or demonic influences. But, due to their illness, most people won't believe them.

>>98325162
That gets done all the time, you're fine.

>>98324920
>You can just learn a bit of necromancy, then make a pact with a ghost for similar benefits,
No you can't? Spectre pacts don't lwt you buy splat impossible backgrounds like putting dots of kinain fairy blood on a vampire..

Spectre cultists do have so serious bullshit though. Permanent being alone lets them increase their willpower to 20 dice/dots(imagine that on a blood mage) and they regain being dots by dtaining PERMANENT WILLPOWER from victim. BTW anything drained to 0 willpower dies and gets eaten by oblivion forever. Doesn't matter if it's a methusela, a demon, or a fucking Incarnae, you do not pass go, do not collect $200. You. Just. End.
That's before getting into how off the wall arcanoi can get when you're a spectre cultist that's immune to catharsis. Did you know there's a variant 1st dot castigate arcanos that lets you put shadowdice on any roll you want? That's 5 dice to any and Every roll for our cultist.

>>98325162
This actually gets theorized fairly often irl and in /x/, it's certainly an interesting theory and would explain in a spiritual level how some schizophrenia can manifest in predictive or prescient thoughts, but like they like to say
>A broken clock is right twice a day
You can consider it more a coincidence than the reality of the matter if a schizo says something accurate. You can probably play with this around in the game, some schizos can clue in party members to future plot details or it can just be funny ramblings about the jews in the sewer.

>>98325162
If you want to step on less toes say it's them going out of their way to target those guys because they know they won't be believed.

>>98325065
You just gotta be sly as hell & twice as fast. My Storyteller tried his solid best to kill me without being exactly railroading about it. I was upfront about my goals, he was upfront about the level of opposition & I was able to squeak out ahead & after a certain point you become fairly bulletproof, you just gotta watch out for Elders in your closet. It helped that I wasnt rubbing anyone's noses in it or anything. I never did much grandstanding or marginalized the rest of the Coterie. I just sort of quietly stacked power on the side mostly just because I could & to see how much I could get away with. There were only a few times I moved in the shadows to remove threats or obstacles to the group. I changed identity a lot too. Not everyone knew exactly who I was. Made it easier to convince people I wasnt the same guy stealing power.

>>98325168
Still, one should be mindful of stereotypes and misrepresenting oppressed peoples.

>>98325171
there is so many retarded mechanics, I would put this firmly in the realm of "actually a few garou can reliably kill any antediluvian because spirit of the fray lets them go first and then they use these specific charms which say deal x unsoakable undodgeable damage."

>>98325186
Oh, demons would definitely do that too.

>>98325171
Infernalism is the metaphysical version of downloading sketchy cheats and hack scripts from a shitty deepweb site.
You're either going to get some bad juju that ultimately destroys your character, your machine, and takes a $200k loan out on your credit, or you're good enough to protect yourself and thus already good enough that you don't need what's on the shitty site in the first place.

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>>98325195
>Infernalism is the metaphysical version of downloading sketchy cheats and hack scripts from a shitty deepweb site.
I resemble that remark!

>>98325162
Sound about as offensive as making a Malkavian and focusing on Auspex...

Agent Smith was a demon while Neo was a mage. Think about it.

>>98325193
Anon, if your answer to this isn't "Why the fuck is an antedeluvian having a fistfight with a pack of garou", then you are also a retard ST.

There's honestly very little actual issue in universe or on the table with players trying to powergame hyper-combat beasts, because those characters are crippling themselves in non-combat situations. The garou's entire issue is that they got into their position by trying to use violence to solve issues that needed wisdom, patience, and cooperation instead.

>>98325200
It really is a missed oportunity that we didn't get descent demons and virtual adepts in the same universe. The confusion and unintentional horror on both sides would be hilarious.

>>98325209
>Another Anon discovers that the majority of STs in the WoD community are, in fact, retard STs
It's sad, but that's the default for most tabletop in general.

>>98325209
Even in the unfathomably unlikely situation it could occur, it shouldn't fucking work out like that. This isn't "combat optimized" this is two gifts. One of which every single Ahroun will have anyways because it is one of the best gifts in the game. Think this down to any other sort of encounter you may consider more likely and you'll understand the spirit of what I am saying, instead of getting caught up in the exact example I used here.

The point:
There is a billion gifts, published mage rotes, disciplines and so on in obscure books which completely break the setting and make no sense, because surprise: humans make mistakes, and a lot of things weren't considered worth printing specific rules text for and so on. Remember the infinite vitae printing that started this argument? That was an explicit comparison, it's retarded and the ST should bust your nuts because it messes with the setting.

>>98325203
I prefer to think Agent Smith was a low grade technocrat who went Nephandi trying to kill Neo

>>98325162
>>98325191
Quit being a bitch.

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>>98323034
I'm sort of working on that with the ghost portion of the Fan Reboot.

>>98325162
Isn’t that literally just the Imbued?

>>98325203
Original Smith feels more like a Paradox manifestation. That's what he was, essentially - a defense program.
Reloaded's Smith was something else, though. I'm suspecting some Nephandus have "decompiled" and "rebuilt" him.

Though it works also as NWO glowie and VA skid respectively.

>>98325235
This guy gets it too.

>>98320947
>Are you going to use an existing set of core mechanics, or do you think you could make your own?
I've heard that the second edition of the Chronicles of Darkness is one of the better iterations. Unfortunately, I've only tried the first edition.

>>98325054
>Just an average day in the Seat of Succor
FTFY

>>98325171
Yeah thats what im talking about, in the face of what a ghost can give you, Infernalism is just stupid. Especially because you can control & set guards against the spectre far easier than a demon.

>>98325229
>Even in the unfathomably unlikely situation it could occur, it shouldn't fucking work out like that.
Why not?
If an antedeluvian is in this unfathomably retarded situation, they deserve to die, period. I don't care if you made a mistake as the ST, suck it up and commit to it.
An antedeluvian shouldn't ever be out in the open. Especially, an ante deluvian shouldn't be out in the open without already being under every buff from every blood magic and active discipline effect it's ancient paranoid-schizophenic ass can think of. Especially, Especially, an ante shouldn't 1-vs-pack-ing things like Lupines unless that was it's entire plan.

An antedeluvian caught with it's pants down in front of a pack of garou is a retard. Write them off like the authors of week of nightmares did [Ravnos].

>>98325193
Theres a handful of garou gifts that let you shoot unlimited ammo with homing bullets at anything you can see, which is also the entire city. But again, wonderfully, anything a Garou can do, a Tremere can do too.

>>98325171
Since being is just a spectre passion and it has to be keyed to a specific passion to work, does that mean that if a cultist gets permanent being from spectres using two different dark passion emotions, then they'll have multiple independant being scores?

You can't have more point of being that willpower without becoming a malkavian's wet dream, but what if the spectres don't give a shit about that particular cultist's brain and just want a vesselfor skinriding that treats being scores like wraith do normal passions.

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>>98325266
Anything a Tremere can do, a Garou can do too. He just needs to use the gift that lets you steal the supernatural powers of others. Really, anything a tremere can do, can be done by a normal sorcerer too. Arguably Garou can do sorcery, Bastet and Kitsune certainly can.

>>98325289
>Arguably Garou can do sorcery, Bastet and Kitsune certainly can.
Nope. Tome of secrets specifies humans for sorcerers capable of blood sorcery. Fera(most bastet and kistune) need to be happy with "just" vanilla non-blood path magic.

>>98325296
I didn't even know humans can just do blood sorcery. I just meant that sorcery in general is as good or better than blood magic and Garou may or may not be able to learn ordinary sorcery. Aside from XP costs, I'd almost always prefer the mortal sorcery paths.

>>98325229
>and the ST should bust your nuts because it messes with the setting.
Anon, there's literally nothing that the most foaming at the mouth powergamer could do to disrupt the setting. The mechanical and narrative tools whitewolf have generously shoveled in the STs hands are more that enough for anyone even slightly competent to show why a powergaming combat character is easy picking for even a young prince.
The only way the setting could be "disrupted" is if the ST was already doimg stupid things that would never happen in-setting.

>>98325266
>>98325289
>Anything a Garou can do, a Tremere can do
What about being a good influence on the community or liked and respected by your peers and coworkers?

>>98325315
A tremere is a great influence on the community (his chantry) and well liked by his peers and co-workers (all blood-bound to serve the same lord). Checkmate tree hugger.

>>98325315
Anon, you know as well as I do that neither garou or tremere are capable of those things.

>>98325320
Anon, not even the blood bond prevents tremere from hating each other.

>>98325289
Not everything, but alot, yes. But a Garou isnt powered by Vitae. Thats why Tremere are so powerful. Vitae is the real cheat code. Even if youre paying double per point (which is the right way to do it) of whatever resource unit the other splats use, Vitae is incredibly abundant. Gnosis cant be gained nearly as well as Vitae. Sekhem comes in drips & drops & only in the Web of Faith. THATS the key. With Vitae as your power source, only the most powerful & prepared can win going toe to toe.

>>98324876
She was fighting?

>>98325333
>Trips
>Trvke
As it was spoken, so it was heard.

>>98325320
Leech cope for being happy with the affection of slaves and sycophants.
>>98325324
The Theurge says I'm a good friend and the Ahroun from a neighboring pack says I'm a credit to my breed, but I think he has ulterior motives.

>>98325151
does this happen to garou often?

>>98325336
At least until you run into a sorcerer and discover why mana is bullshit.
Or the fact that master sorcerers can make mana nodes.

>>98325336
A real mage can use anything as quint. Even a sorcerer can transmute between different types of quint I believe. I wouldn't even call vitae that much better than a non-powergaming assumption of mana/quint, where you regain it via chilling at a node. I mean sure, you can slaughter humans and cattle for your vitae which is great but.. just meditating is also quite convenient.

>>98325315
My Tremere, especially in his role as cult leader really tried to be a possitive force to his cultists. Subtly tried to make sure the cultists all were relatively happy in their lives. Took care of shit bosses, helped keep kids off drugs, helped get a single mom a car, fixed congenital defects/terminal diseases, etc. This helped reinforce loyalty & was a kind of Nobilis Oblige in his eyes.

Is every Tremere like this? Hell no. But most Tremere belong at the bottom of the Pyramid.

>>98325373
>Most Tremere belong at the bottom of the Pyramid
Peak Tremere behavior

>>98325351
>>98325363
But again we return to the fact that Vitae can be stored into literal piles of blood pellets. Yes, mages & Sorcerers are a bigger threat than some others, but a Tremere is a Sorcerer too & has other tricks up his sleeve. Id say a powerful Changeling or real Mage is the only thing that can truly catch you with your pants down

>>98325309
Combat is the weakest way to powergame. Getting others in your pocket & being able to move in ways that cant be easily countered is paramount. After that, removing weaknesses & gaining more tricks is the best way forward.

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how would you run Beast in oWoD, how would they fit with the other splats.

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(1/3) You guys remember that episode of Venture Bros where rusty goes to sidekick therapy and he is talking to rohnny about velma being a bigger slut than daphne? It sort of dawned on me that the Tremere are the velma to the Toreador's daphne.

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>>98325409
(2/3) I mean just look at this, straight up lingerie and fetish gear. Dont get me wrong, the Toreador definitely have some risque examples but most of them are high society fashionistas or snobby 'artisans'.

And I know what some Cammy Tremere are probably going to jump in and say "But those are Sabbat Tremere, the Sabbat are supposed to be degenerates. Blah blah blah."

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>>98325414
(3/3) Well take a look at exhibit 3! A Tremere Justicar casually wearing see through negligee as her official portrait! Maybe she is some Carna follower, maybe not. But since we are talking about Carna... This bitch literally teaches her followers how to create a 3 way blood bond between the regeant, the thrall, and herself like she is some sort of literal cuckqueen. I hope im using that term right. I never really understood the whole cuck thing. I understand the concept but never looked much deeper than that.

These degenerates are right up there with the Giovanni and the Tzimisce! I mean look at >>98322488 and >>98322406 ! Mutilating other vampires to create perverted dahmer gein sex slaves! How vile! How debased! How do I sign up?!

>>98325388
Those without cunning & ambition deserve it. If I make some wannabe OP asshole, & I get ganked? I deserve it. I wasnt quick, smart or cagey enough to succeed. Most Tremere I literally cannot stand. They like to take a Path or two, max Dominate & pretend to be a fucking wizard sitting in their Chantry & playing games. Pathetic. You've GOT to be reaching for shit out of your reach. Never be comfortable, & never pick fights with things unnecessarily. Especially if you can't win absolutely & look like the good guy doing it. Like ive said. Combat is the worst way to powergame. Its better to be the guy who trades favors, the guy everyone can trust to stick to his word. It makes the deception so much easier to pull off when you speak the truth

>>98325343
Killing kinfolk out of rage? Sometimes yeah. Getting haunted by one? That'd be pretty rare since the whole Gaia stuff usually prevents them from becoming Wraiths.

>>98325422
i meant domestic abuse but understandable. probably would be annoying as fucking living with a furry.

>>98325396
the problem with beast in owod is that they are just unseelie bordering on thallain fae

>>98325458
>Ends up in minor argument over some stupid shit like peanut butter
>Depending on the circumstance if you don't literally bear your neck like a submissive animal you get murdered and the Garou ends up a sobbing traumatized mess
It would probably be pretty unsettling, yeah. Domestic abuse in general though? In the Kinfolk book, it seems like they're trained from an early age to show submissive apologies in advance to avoid a full on frenzy or being hit. I can assume this means that the potential is probably there but kinfolk are too whipped to get hit often.

>>98325417
>>98325414
>>98325409
Theres a definite number of freaky Tremere. Goratrix lost his nuts, anything Virstania touched was fetishistic, & Carna being a Lillith level feminist.

Most of the degen shit is in House of Tremere

>>98325462
they reminded me of widderslainte or nephandi, they even have something akin to an avatar

>>98325474
>Carna being a Lillith level feminist
I was thinking of insinuating she was a secret bahari. I kinda regret not doing so.

>>98325474
The red-tinted glasses stay on.

>>98325417
Now you begin to understand the true power of the Tremere.

>>98325555
The quads have spoken

>>98325242
Can paradox spirits go rogue?
What's the paradox equivalent of a fomor?
>>98325333
I fully expect every tremere above chantry head to have developed some personal secret way to bypass the devotion of the blood bond

>>98325418
The Tremere can indeed be trusted to be untrustable

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>>98325548
Its such a good look
>>98325597
If you make yourself indispensable, they have no choice but to trust you

>>98325597
-captain jack grimgroth

https://youtube.com/shorts/b_Otnzup18s
Would this rosary used by the Pope be extra strong at repelling vampires?

>>98325642
Absolutely. Unless you argue the pope is a fraud without any dots in true faith (appropriate for wod thematically, but then again christians in wod are surprisingly competent)

>>98325666
>Those trips
Luci...

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Drawfag once again, I updated this piece of a trio of Black Spiral Dancers creeping out from the "screaming wood" to spread carnage and filth for the Wyrm.

>>98324761
>>98324774
I always assumed the average Mage was the same as a starter character. So 1-3 Arete, 6-8 dots in Spheres, roughly 1,5-2 years of experience at being a Mage. Not freshly awakened, but still relatively new to all of it.

>>98324473
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHQtgVv86bA
>This but in the Hedge
I need it

>>98325666
What did Satan mean by this?

>>98325849
pcs are never meant to be average. char gens are already meant to be above average hench the 7/5/3 stats

even in vampire the oldest game we are told that the average vamp dies in the first 3 years but a char gen is already a neonate

How does consensus work, anyway? It sounds super important, but it doesn't actually exist if you're not a mage. Should mages be replaced wholesale with sorcerers?

>>98326024
>It sounds super important, but it doesn't actually exist if you're not a mage
It does you're just really unlikely to get cockslapped by it unless you're playing a Bygone or something.

>>98326082
Nobody believes in vampires, though, because the vampires told them not to, and vampires can turn into a dragon in Times Square or eat people on live TV with zero consequences except the fact that other vampires will be mad at them for it.

>>98326088
Caine believes in vampires

>>98326088
Those guys only fucked off because they were getting starved out by the lack of magic after the Gauntlet got thickened instead of getting poofed out the moment they hit a critical mass of people not believing in them. Vampires don't have that problem.

Also, even in mage Consensus doesn't actually dictate everything.