Xestobiax walkin' to page 10 editionPrevious heresy: >>98310540>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>Titanicus Compendiumshttps://gofile.io/d/1accdP>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/Thread Question: What is your favorite kit for conversion fodder?
>>98329655>Thread Question: What is your favorite kit for conversion fodder?Has to be the power armour Grey Knights kit. Even having built a GK army out of it back in the day, there are just so many bits and weapons in it I still get use out of it to this day.
>>98329673I'm kind of tempted to get the GK combat patrol for novelty's sake, maybe a Daemonhunters army for 40k 3E. What kind of leftover bits do you find generally useful?
>>98329688NTA I answered this the other day but I’ll go more into it: all the heads are fine for a knightly look and the unhelmed are fine too. The swords work for paragon, special or even just plain power swords with flair, even has left hands ones. The halberds work for all polearms. Wrist bolters can work for special units like Dawnbreakers, I swear DG got something similar. There’s a sword stabbing a Nurgle demon and a hand holding a Slaanesh one-cool factor there. The teleport backpack stuff could be fixed to be more nuncio like? The Boxnaught is just a box with I think a couple extra bits, maybe not even? Can’t remember. The special heavy weapons could be converted. Theres books and nades and little extra bits for random stuff.All the armor is a complete wash unless you’re masochistic, lot of frills and writing. The weapons got GK on em but they’re easily enough cut and sanded off. I used a lot for my BA army.Good box for general use of all editions/games/armies worth a shit
>>98329688Off the top of my head:>Hands>Arms>Melee weapons, if you like power swords it'll last you a lifetime>Pouches>Grenades>Back packs>Helmets>Heads>Some shoulder pads>The warp vanes on the interceptor back packs, can make cool combi-grenade launchers with thoseOnly need to remove a inquisition or GK icon occasionally
>>98329688The helmets are great, the two handed swords, glaives , hammers , the interceptor back pack pipes are great for sniper rifles/barrel extansions. There is books and psychic hood heads to make your own librarians, esoterists etc.
>>98329688You can make a funny oldschool sized looking "command squad out of the guys with ornate armour suits.
What are your favourite Legion matchups, and why?
Did 3.0 kill heresy? I know it did for me
>>98330045Not even remotely. Even the femstodes launch box sold out in certain areas. And locally the HH playerbase has almost doubled. It's not for everyone, sure, but nothing should be. People who like the older editions can still play those.
>>98330045It dealt a pretty big blow to the game. GW lying about it being minor changes and 3 year cycle generated a lot of animosity towards GW and probably prompted some people shelving their armies.The game died in my area from it and I'm trying to bring it back by playing 1.0.
>>98330045Why wpuld ever a new version kill a game? You still have your armies, your books, missions, terrains and whatever. Dropping a game, especially if you were enjoying it, because of a new version is bad. GW have noz took your choice to have fun.
>>98330045it killed 2.0 in a lot of places. In the end I think that the groups of people that like 3.0 a lot, and those that liked 1.0&2.0 a lot, have a far fewer over lap then GW may have wanted. Maybe not as drastic as WFB and AoS, but it is similar. Like a 6&7ed enjoyer, is mechanicaly not going enjoy 10th or 11th. And if he does it is inspite of the game differences, then rather because of them.
>>98330382>it killed 2.0 in a lot of placesWow, you mean people stop playing the old game when a new version of that game is out? No way!
>>98329988Sauce on those shields please?
>>98330045undoubtedly yeah, by any metric it has done a lot of damage to the active community which I'd say has shrunk by at least 40% since Q3 2025. The most tangible evidence I have is that the TSN guys have cut their heresy events in half and still struggle to fill places in the few still going, and that is in the most active scene of the UK.
>>98330045You don’t play
>>98330045Our group is slowly but surely leaning towards 1.0 again. The first few games have been played over the past few months. Even the kids that joined when 2.0 launched and made the game more accessible, are looking into 1.0.Me being an adhd grog, I never got used to 2.0 and 3.0. I often forget taking reactions altogether. I do not mind going back to 1.0.That said, not the rules but the passion and detail that went into 1.0 30k sucked me in. Current edition just lacks that passion and detail that 1.0 and to a certain degree 2.0 had.
>>98330045Yes. Everyone plays battletech now. Not even joking.
Any SoH bros got ideas about the best upgrades and command builds for a 1250pt starter list out of the battlegroup box? ++++XVI-Sons of Horus+++++++Crusade Primary Detachment:310pts++++High Command (0/1)+Praetor-TBD+Command (0/1)+Centurion- TBD+Troops (2/4): 240ptsTactical Squad: 1x Sergeant w/chainsword and bolt pistol, 1x Legionary Vexilla, 8x Tactical Marine with bolter. Prime Unit- Logistical benefit: war engineTactical Squad: 1x Sergeant w/ chainsword and bolt pistol 1x Legionary Vexilla, 8x Tactical Marine+War Engine (1/1): 170pts+Contemptor Dreadnought-TBD++Auxiliary-Armoured Support (1/4):185 points++Sicaran-TBD 185 pts++Auxiliary- Supremacy Cadre: 380pts+++Heavy Assault (1/1)+Reaver Aggressor Squad1x Reaver Chieftain w/volkite serpenta and carsoran tabar, jump pack3x Reaver w/chainaxe and bolt pistol, jump pack1x Reaver w/meltagun, jump pack2x Reaver w/lightning claws, jump pack3x Reaver w/power lance and bolt pistol,jump pakTotal: 875 points
>>98330571>That said, not the rules but the passion and detail that went into 1.0 30k sucked me in. Current edition just lacks that passion and detail that 1.0 and to a certain degree 2.0 had.Thank you mate for this. I dedicate this to all the meta and chess players here.
1st was like a passion project2nd was mid way between passion and make $ line go up3rd is "get the 40k audience to buy this game"
>>98330045it killed nothing, i was already dead inside
>>98331226More like 2nd was a garbage unfinished pre-alpha build, shat out because 3rd was already being worked on, and GW wanted to recoup at least some of the development cost. And to have at least something to go alongside the plastic models releases.
>>98330045yeah it pretty much balkanized the community and sank the game from the highs of 2eour monthly meet ups are basically the same people playing against each other across three different editions and they all refuse to pick one (it should be 1e btw)
>>98330045Over here it was already dead, 3.0 didn't add anything to revitalize it and even took stuff away.
>a crucial part goes missing >look for it everywhere, bending over backwards and looking under furniture, combing through the carpet with a torch>this goes on for over an hour>get pissed, take a break, come back and find it immediately
Guys I’m working on it. Hoping to bring some of you back.
>>98331514I'm sorry, but I don't think we have the same values.
>>98331543Explain anon! Unless I was supposed to read this as sarcasm (in the right way).
I was saving my thoughts on inductii for a new thread>DAbasically get to rape any MEQ unit that gets into range>ECmeh>IWActually a really tricky unit, the ability to slam shotguns in and take chainbayonets means they can theoretically break a despoiler assault squad that gets too cocky.>WSshrug>SWNot good, but definitely pretty crazy. The ability to move 11 then charge is niche but crazy, and they suffer no penalty from running out of a Rhino>IFmeh>NLfunny but meh>BAActually insane, throw 20 of them and 2 characters in a spartan and just rape.>IHPhosphex bombs are VERY good>WEcool but meh>UMgood but meh>DGCrazy good, rotor cannons + flamers + fury of the legion makes them just plain better than tacticals.>TSGood and annoying to go against, especially if the have asphyx bolters.>SoHmeh>WBcool but bad>Salliesfun and cool>RGCryptic>ALBeing immune to shooting for the whole 1st battle turn is a really big boon.
>>98331795how are the BA inductii good ? did i miss something ?
>>98331874apparentlyyou slam them in the back of a combat your elites are going to do lots of damage in and try to wrap around as much as possible for maximum coverage, then when you win - even by 1 point - you force every enemy unit in 8" to take a panic test even if it didn't take casualties, isn't in that Combat, is locked in a different Combat etcgiven you can easily have Fear (1) on your other BA units this is not a bad thing at all
>>98329655>Thread Question: What is your favorite kit for conversion fodder?As a dark angels player, the raven wing command/black knight squad, SUUUUPER Juicy kit for bits.
>>98330045killed? no, got a really good hit on it? yes. Reaosn being is a lot of people are very skeptical of how GW is going to handle the updates, if we see a 3 year cycle, you can expect more people to dig their heels in on 3.0 or 2.0.
>>98330424anon he means it killed 2.0 and 3.0 did not take its place.
>>98330340Tell that to modern DnD fans, especially the ones who are "right" leaning. They think the system that is ALL ABOUT making your own rules basically and telling your own stories is dead just because the more recent versions have some DEI BS in them.Its like, just ignore what you dont like and TELL YOUR OWN FUCKING STORIES, LIKE WHAT WAS INTENDED.
>>98329655blood angels death company my beloved ;_;7
>>98330340Rules create a agreed upon system by which you can play the game, the problem is that once GW makes a new ruleset teh old rule set not only is not supported, they go out of their wya to make sure you cant get the rules. Its hard to get people to want to play a version of teh game that is not being supported, or upkept by most people and players. 5th ed 40k still has all the modesl and rules out tehre, good luck trying to find a pick up game to play it. Not everyone has a solid group of people to play with.
>Sarge w/ power fist ad disintegrator pistol>3x Vets w/ thunder hammers>2x Vets w/ lightning claws>2x Vets w/ graviton maces>2x Vets w/ chainaxes & volkite serpentasIs this a good or schizo loadout for IW vet despoilers?
>>98332353>Not takeing breacher vets with nothing but bolters and shields to hold enemies in position as you shell them with artillery insteadYeah it sucks.
>>98332465>be me>IW front line trooper>put up with decades of eating bullets to the face so the artillary can have all the fun>it all pays off though, finally make it to vet status>decades more of eating bullets to the face, but even harder>bitter.jpg
>>98332465>IW is only artyYou are gay.
>>98332655All WS are mounted on a bike, all WE hold a chainaxe and run forward screaming, all SW yiff and all DA are gay. You should know this anon.
>>98332689Yeah, that’s my fault for forgetting. I’ll be sure to take my guys in for flanderizing this weekend.
>>98330045It killed my community. People are playing other games now. It sucks.I'm also a TO for heresy events and we TOs talk and compare notes. From the three other guys running 30k events I know, we're seeing something like 30% less registrations at events. Economy/global situation is a factor, but over here interest in 3.0 is tepid at best.
>>98332979Good, also take your self to gay conversion therapy to maybe stop being a faggot and learn to laugh at memes.
>>98333037We had the same thing happen, because a lot of people jumped to HH 1.0 post 8th ed becuase 8th ed fucking SUCKED, and even more jumped on with 2.0 becuase it was a proper mainline launch. 2.0 was a good time, lots of new blood, lots of old blood, and great models. 3.0 drove a lot of old blood off because they could smell the same shit that happened to 40k on HH now since 3.0 came just 3 years post 2.0. A lot of people are leery now about HH, even i am because i dont wanna deal with 3 year cycle slop.
>>98332310>>98330340Hobbies are not closed ecosystems. If something gets a rep, it changes your player pool, like WOTC and Paradox slapping bigotry warnings on old products.
>>98333107Yep. Exact same story over here. Overall 2.0 was well liked, because the assumption was that it would get a decade of support so it wouldn't be half finished. 3.0 was total whiplash as most got into heresy to escape this very thing. I stopped playing and lost most of the enthusiasm. I'm still hosting events trying to keep the spirit alive, but its tough being motivated.
>>98333107It's kind of crazy that, at least for my local scene, 2.0 attracted generally decent people who cared about the setting or were at least willing to learn.All the players who started in 3.0 are 40k tournament speds who constantly ask "is this a strong list" or unironically netlist from youtube. The same people are also asking to proxy units while never painting any of their models.
>>98333246Sounds like those guys should play Titanicus
>>983332232.0 had its issues, and like no one i think was denying that but the hope was a more itterative set of rules were they just fixed things and expanded upon them. When 3.0 dropped and we saw a massive upheaval of a lot of rules, a LOT of people sensed danger so to say, and pulled back hard, which even I started pulling back because its like "Ok i gotta wait to see how this pans out." some things of 3.0 i really enjoy some i really really dont. >>98333246I noticed an increase in 40k refugees especially from 10th ed which seemed like a 40k low point (I dipped outta 40k after psyker awakening in 8th ed, its just not the game I enjoyed anymore) not a lot of tourny players though, thankfully. Our gorup is pretty good, we have out right said no custodes at events because of how stupid they are. The biggest upset we have among our group is the loss of customization on some characters that feels bad, or the cutting of some characters all together, RIP Redloss and holguin, pic related is my redloss i now use as a preator because i cant do anything else with him.
>>98333104Your joke wasn’t funny and you’re a gay bum.
>>98333281You sir, are EXTREMELY, bald.
>>98333104Ok, will I see you there this week or have you quit the program?
>>98333291Damn right i will be, better not be afraid to kiss me on the mouth this time, hussy.
>>98333294Count on it!
>>98333275For us, the big annual events don't even fire anymore. A weekender that would usually have 20+ people in previous years apparently only had 2 people sign up in 2025 and they didn't even try this year. Another three day event which is normally almost 50 struggled to get more than 10 attendees. The economy is obviously a factor (the bigger one was charging $80 a head with very little incentive in 2025) but the sudden changes left a sour taste in most people's mouths and all the momentum 2.0 built up got sent careening down a cliff.pic related are the nullificators that still don't have rules a year later.
On top of the rules cycle I think the “chibification” and the cleanliness of the new books and art has also killed my passion. Too many models look too clean or silly. I really miss the old scale model painting style and miniatures of HH1.0. A lot of the art and heavy metal paint styles alongside those saturnine and praetor models are just too 40k. The line troops if not painted heavy metal style still look good but I prefer the older designs and paint jobs by a mile
>>98333378What theyve done to nurgle in general is a fucking CRIME. I get that hes the "ewwww, STINKY!" faction, but the general cartooniness of current nurgle daemons and all the plague marines.....whomever did that should be put against the wall and shot.
>>98333378Yeah thats a big one too, modern books looks way to like, caproate not enough edge and grunge to them.>>98333313I think the economy is a big one, like bigger then most think, i think GW is gonna feel the wrath of that one soon enough
>>98333378I've felt this as well, it definitely feels like there has been some kind of executive level mandate to roundify as many designs as possible, numk2/3 being the most obvious examples. But even in 40k with stuff like the rogal dorn tank vs the leman russ, or the new sentinel vs the old sentinel
>>98333411Yeah the loss of teh boxy desgins is killing it for me too, that was part of the charm of warhammer. I mean the land raider and spartan kits killed it. But on some newer stuff yeah idk what the fuck is going on. I have the hot take but i think the new dread is fucking ass, the saturine are OK but just OK, their weapon options fucking SUCK which is what is killing me. I just got done listening to one of the iron hand novellas were the salamanders basically break out the saturnine terminator armor they were told to flee with from istvaan, and it describes them as having like las canons, HB, roto canons chain sword and shit, they sounded dope in the book, and you could tell it was meant to be describing saturnine and then waht we got was the big doodoo
>>98333436yeah it's especially weird since basically everything except the space marines has been 1:1 (more or less) with the fw designs. The vehicle kits are legitimately excellent. But for some reason they decided to completely change how the space marines looked. Wonder why.
>>98333411>the rogal dorn tankA primaris (heh) example of "we have to make the new shit EXTREEEEMMMMEEEEE 90s style!" As in its bigger, gaudier, rounder and with more pointless shit all over it and is it true that it doesnt have a bottom? WTF were they thinking with that? >>98333436which new dread?Also, werent the saturnines supposed to have weapons on their backs as well, IE: like the dreadwolves or the nemesis titans? Like they are basically walking artillery platforms? I seem to remember art of them like that....
>>98333562The saturnine dread i dont like it at all, it makes me look at it and go "Ok so like....what fucking roll is this for other thing bigger dread?"And yes saturnine are meant to have a lot more weapons options then what they got, they are meant to be ranged weapon platforms not so much melee, they are missing shit like las canons, HB, Assault canons, chain fists/swords, as described in the IH book.
>>98332310yeah or you can just play a system that is actually fun and also lacks shitty rules and a palpable animosity for the medium and its players. stupid libtard
>>98333582Def seems like they were a rushed kit, with possible "DLC/patches" in the future, modern game design style. Like all the missing options in an overpriced upgrade kit that doesnt give you enough of the parts you want but tons of ones you dont need....This is why resin was the true way to do this shit, sell the upgrades individually instead of on a fucking sprue...They could STILL sell plastic the same way they did resin too, they just dont want to for some stupid reason. Some fucking board room full of absolute mongoloid jews who dont play the game or build/model/convert the figures or vehicles probably havent even thought of it that way, just go back to the bits catalogues that they used to have, sell small upgrade sprues with a few weapons of whatever on them individually in clear plastic blister packs with a paper insert like their individual FW resin figures....I fucking hate modern GW so much.
to what extent are /yourdudes/ criminals?are they conscious of the fact?
OH WOW, ok, I just realized a weird thing. Does anyone here own a LEGIT Macharius VULCAN? Can I see the pics of the side of it if any of you do?I just built one, along with a Mach Omega (both recasts of course, not from WTG, because they dont have either of them...), and the tread housings for the Vulcan fit kind of weird while also not having the two little holes for the sponsons to slot into the sides properly, in fact they only fit in the middle of the thing instead of near the back like usual. Seemed weird but I didnt think too much into it. Well, I was just looking at a picture of a Gorgon transport on WTG and realized, holy shit the sides are the same. So I just checked and yep, the recaster sent it to me with fucking gorgon sides instead of macharius sides.... I mean, they worked just fine in the end, but now that I know this im shocked, lol.
>>98333769>anon accidentally creates a new ersatz pattern of macharius using leftover gorgon partsCongrats, the admech death squad will arrive at your doorstep in 5-7 business days!
>HH players love the 30k era>many of them read the BL novels>many of them also HATE PRIMARCHS FOR SOME REASON??what causes this?
>>98333797>Bringing up shit no one in this thread is talking about >Literally the only person to mention primarch in this entire threadGo bait the 40k thread or the AoS nerds, we dont do that here sir. >>98333769>Does anyone here own a LEGIT Macharius VULCAN?Im surprised when i see anyone who owns legit FW models .
Wanna make some white scars for 2.0 heresy since they are easily one of my top favourite legions and I've been out of the game since 3rd dropped. The legion rules of +1 movement seems fine but nothing to write home about. What are some ways I can go about making a decent enough list for them? As much as I love jetbikes I'm really more enamoured with some footslogging, driving or jump pack using chogorians.
>>98333804well, before I started buying up every recast I could find in the last few months, I owned a legit gorgon, macharius vanquisher (both assembled) and 3 arkurian baneblades (2 stormblades and a shadowsword, all unassembled). I sold all of them in the last couple months for like 3 grand and have replaced almost every single one for literally pennies on the dollar. Ive sold a ton of other legit FW shit too FOR TONS of dosh and replaced it all with recasts that were pretty much 90% 1:1 copies of them for next to nothing.This hobby has gotten pretty weird since I have gotten back into it after quitting around 2015ish....
>>98333804>only person to mention primarch in this entire threadExactly my point. People who love the HH but don't play the game love the primarchs and will always talk about them in any HH discussion, whereas you guys never seem to talk about them and when you do it's only for ingame stats or bitching about how they ruin the HH or something every other thread
What did 3rd edition do that upset so many people? Is it really that bad?
>>98333805A good distraction carnafax for them is a unit of Golden Kesheg + a stormcaller.16+1 for WS + You full rush as a normal move, then you can charge with them.They fucking BOOK across the board. Low survivability, but hit like fucking trucks.
>>98333814I love the primarchs mostly (except dorn, russ and rowboat, faggots all of them), like MOST of the HH books (except the perpetuals and john whatshisface, lore shit the bed at that point honestly) and dont play the game, but I feel if I did, it wouldnt change my opinions of them as characters, id just seperate their models/lore from their stats and gameplay mechanics. Maybe that just makes me an autists or whatever, who cares at the end of the day though.
>>98333817Depends on your area. In my area HH was basically dead until 3rd dropped. In a buddy's area, 3rd killed the game until they switched back to 2.0
>>98333814No one is taking the bait move on. We are discussing legion tactics like WS shananagins. >>98333817It was not really 3rd rules itself that was the problem, there are a few thing within 3rd that were stupid or poorly desgined that are slowly being addressed, examples being>Launching with 3 fucking missions lol>Having to panic scramble to release legend units that have more entries in the PDF vs the actual books>Missions are only 4 turns, which newer missions are 5>Challenge system is jsut time wasting and the illusion of choice 99% of the time you pick strike first or finish the fight almost every single time.What really set off people with 3rd was the time of it, it came 3 years after 2.0, and rather then being a 2.5 which is what almost everyone wanted it to be, they re-did large armount of the game mechanics for better or for worse, and what has people upset is that this smells like GW putting HH into the 3 year cycle slop where every 3 years the game fundamentally changes or has sweeping rule rewrites. The very thing most HH players were explicitly wanting to avoid.
>>98333797hh is about armies of super soldiers killing each other en masse as mankind kills itself in a cataclysmic cosmic civil war. that shit is cool, so is the narrative focus and faux-historical approach of the game material. primarchs are superhero slop that completely compromise everything i just mentioned. so yeah, i don't like them as anything more than faraway generals and madmen. now tell me anon, what is your favorite legion?
>>98333436not controversial - the saturnine models (inc dread)are horrible
>>98333817- 3 year cycle- lame saturnine range- loss of flavour in unit entries/options (boxlocking)- loss of flavour in RoW/list building despite being more complicated than ever before- scoring in every turn and weird scoring mechanics- clean models and range rather than grim dark style from 1.0
>>98333818Golden Keshig are pretty cool. Their weapons being only 1 attack on the charge always rubbed me the wrong way. They really won't kill much into anything except for low model count or big units like dreads or tanks and the hit and run always feels like it just puts them in a position to be charged the next turn
>>98333769this feels like z fuckery
>>98333961z fuckery...?
>>98333943Ture but thats what makes them distraction carnifexes, you just run them up the board and pop rhinos since their spears are freaking AP 1 S10, or mow down MEQ units because they get template heavy bolters which is bonkers cool..
Which Legion would be most likely to use weapons inspired by the Custodes?I was thinking either Imperial Fists due to their strong connection to Terra, or Blood Angels since their aesthetics are surprisingly similar both in style and colour. Artistic weapons of war.
>>98333817It was mainly how poorly the launch was handled - both by GW and by the HH players. Especially GW claiming it was not a big rules overhaul was a poor move. And the HH players were down right hysteric, the doom posting and psychotic delusions were off the charts.
>>98333964zack, probably
>>98334217The only correct answer is Grey KnightsAll the other legions had their own customs and culture, and the custodes hate marines with a passion so definitely wouldn't tolerate imitation.
>>98334232>the custodes hate marines with a passion so definitely wouldn't tolerate imitation.That's silly.
>>98334273Well the grimdark is a very silly place in a lot of ways.
>>98329922>>98329935>>98329986>>98329988Thanks for the responses. Suppose it's a matter of time before James either squats GK or gives them an update that's Aspect Marines all over again.>Combi-GrenadesSo you just snip these off, the bolter's bayonet mount, and then plaster them on? Neat.
>>98334217Blood RavensWait..
>>98334321It's a laughably easy conversion that look great with any bolter.
>>98334227no, my name isnt zack, jesus, NEVER trust anyone named zack....
Z is a prominent recaster, however Z also refers to the russian slime invading Ukraine which might cause some confusion.
>>98334354OH, ok. Thats funny, because I just got added to a private recaster sub (I fucking hate reddit, dont get the wrong idea, im just looking for different sites and sellers besides the usual ones, trying to find a good source for a lucius warhound atm...) and people all over it were PRAISING THE SHIT out of that guy or whatever he is.
>>98334370Supposedly he is one of the best, but that's all I know. I get my stuff from BLM, but dipped my toe into WTG and am currently awaiting my first delivery.
>>98334374BLM were OK, WTG have been STELLAR for me, other than a pretty flimsy chaos hell talon bomber, wasnt the best sadly. Got an OG thunderhawk from them and it was no worse than my legit FW one that I sold because it was pretty miscast, Still got like $700 for it at least, lol.
>>98334381Hot damn, exciting. I only bought a small amount, so I'll definitely be posting about it.
>>98333275Yesterday I cracked open a red book and compared the entry for lightning strike fighters to 3.0. Shed a tear for what we lost. Its honestly unreal they're selling $30 journals when those red books were like $40, hard cover, and had 80+ silver pages of content. I hope someday we get some good community rules all the cool people go play that instead of whatever reprinted slop we get with 4.0 and 5.0.
>>98333378the color plates are just dire
>Mortarion listening to his Destroyer squadrons commit absolute atrocities and war crimes for their own grim amusement, damning their reputation for all eternity even before falling to Chaos
>>98334388That was before the GW custom exchange rate apocalypse, not the most fair comparison. Even legit FW resin was quite reasonably priced at the time, because the Pound's value was in the gutter. The journals are actually quite cheap in the EU, especially if you get it from a store with discount you can get them for less than 20. Seems like another case of GW applying the former colony tax to fuck over US customers lmao. Be glad it isn't to the same extend as the aussies.
>>98334370Z is one of the worst quality recasters, anyone praising him just doesn't have a good resin hookup. The only thing good about Z is the extremely deep catalogue.
>>98334416Proof?
>>98334419Z on the left, others on the right. Do not buy Z unless you are desperate. The prices aren't even that good. BMM is the highest quality I've found, but also the most expensive. Invite only recasters fall somewhere in between. YMMV
>>98334438>BMM Nah. Never russians.
>>98334416deep is the catalogue? As I said, im looking for a lucius WH, as well as a thunderhawk transporter. I ordered a lucius off ALL4WARGAMES for like $300 (only place ive found so far that claims to have them as well as the weapons even), but then saw that SEVERAL years ago someone else did as well and got a pretty shitty 3d printed one in the mail from them....so im expecting disappointment, and thats if I even get anything at all. Ordered it like 2 and a half months ago, as well as both a legion basi AND a legion medusa, and havent heard SHIT from them. Emailed them a few weeks ago, nothing, then emailed them AGAIN, mentioned that im getting cold feet and they FINALLY responded, but their response was "well get back to you in a day or two fren, dont worry", and nothing else since then....Fucking sucks, ive had like 97% success rate so far buying recast shit, so I figure SOMETHING bad has to happen at some point here, law of averages and all that, but the fact that its probably going to be one of my white whales that I get fucked without lube on REALLY stings....
>>98334443*HOW deep is the catalogue
>>98334442I'd buy from ISIS if the quality was as good as BMM
>>98334451Get some morals.
>>98334459Maybe you should buy from GW, after all you wouldn't want to benefit anyone who steals if you're so morally righteous.
>>98334442>>98334459keep the gay political moralfagging out of the hobby of building/painting/playing with/pirating little plastic toy soldiers
>>98334470>>98334485There's a difference between stiffing a company that does not have your best interests at heart and supporting people who kill civilians. I know this makes you uncomfortable and you're trying to rationalize it in your hearts so that it won't bother you, but there it is. Looks like you've got some growing up to do, manchild.
>>98334491Nigga, I live in america, sadly ALL of our money, including most of our taxes, eventually gets funneled to people who LOVE to kill civilians. Fuck off with that gay shit. And no, it doesnt make me feel "uncomfortable", I LITERALLY dont give a shit. They arent me, my family or anyone close to me. Fuck em. If I cared about every "innocent" who got killed due to stupid politicians and their bullshit, id never have a moment of peace EVER.
>>98334438How long does it take for an order from BMM? I want to get some old Sternguard from them because they're the only public site that has them, but from what I've read they take 3+ months to ship to Australia.
>>98334217the Imperial Fists literally use Solarite Gauntlets
>>98334551That's just because they enjoy fisting so much.
>>98333411I've heard that rounder designs make the molds last longer.
>>98334611Why would that be needed when the plastic 40k Rhino and Land Raider moulds are old enough to be the grandfather of 95% of the current playerbase, and still being used? Those bads boys must have an astronomical investment/profit ratio. Or have those been replaced at some point?
>>98334623They obviously get replaced when they can't be repaired. This isn't anything new, especially for molds that have a high volume of orders.
What's the appeal of the Dark Angels?
>>98334710Knightly orders, cool aesthetic, badass names, excellent colour scheme with blue plasma that makes a sublime contrast to the rest. Do their job and do it well, but tend to become highly self-critical which many of us can relate to.
>>98334499>I live in america Ew.
>another /pol/ threadNo one fucking cares.Post Heresy.
I never understood this odd notion that GW sometimes injected into the lore about "dark rumors" of Astartes committing atrocities when that's literally what they're designed to do.As long as it's killing, what does the tool matter? Destroyers should be positions of honour, not shame.
How long until we get Legion-specific units in plastic?
Has it ever been discussed what kind of currency the Imperium uses? Just some throwaway line of credits?
>>98334739In one of the first BL books it's mentioned because one of the characters tries to get some wine in a bar on a planet the 63th expedition has just conquered but the owner doesn't accept it.
>>98334521idk anon, its been a few years since I got something from them. It took about a month back then.
>>98334732A loooong time. GW said they want to get the legion agnostic stuff in plastic first before moving to legion specific stuff.
>>98334732I don't think we'll see them this edition, maybe in 4.0 but I doubt it.>Mk5>NuTartaros>Javelins>Seekers & Recon (maybe as one kit?)>Outriders>More Sicaran variants>Sabres>Prodeus>Castaferrum dread (inshallah)I think we'd see all this stuff before a legion specific infantry kit. Though I could maybe see them throwing in some legion specific plastic upgrade kits in between, like those "armory of the..." resin kits they did two before abandoning the idea.
>Zone mortalis journal is all rules, not fluffHaving more than 3 ZM missions is a pleasant surprise for sure.
Anyone got their nuMk4 marines? How are they compared with other nuHH minis?
>>98334807They're exactly the same.
>>98334732Also depends if they're done with making other armies in plastic. But there's not a ton for that unless they make up a new faction or expand on SoS and/or maybe Ruinstorm Daemons.
>>98334807They are literally the exact same as Mk VI, II, and III.
>>98334716>Do their job and do it well, Can't relate>but tend to become highly self-critical I can relate to this
>>98334807What do you mean?
>>98334765I think recon marines and seekers will probably just be upgrade sprues.Recon marines could be sniper rifle/shotguns, new backpack, new head and new shoulder pads with integrated cloaks.Seekers sprue could just be kraken bolters and combi bolters. They can do a fast attack box with land speeder, outriders, mk v marines and a recon or seeker/combi sprue. Maybe Tartaros here too.I think SoH Justaerin and Reavers will be the first legion specific plastics, maybe with character or legion upgrade sprue. I can see them coming out before some generic legion kits desu.
>a third-party company in a country currently at war mogs the fuck out of the official releaseGrim. Dark, even.
>>98334937Truly a race to the bottom.
>>98334935I think recons will be a bespoke kit.I need my kneeling marines dammit
>>98334937Pic not related.
>>98334217Argel Tal was using a guardian spear and sentinel blade
>>98334970After becoming daemonically possessed, yes.
>>98334937Their stuff is great, except for the legs. The knees are almost always wrong and badly done in all the models. it's maddening
>>98334952We have the kneeling pose from the rapier crew kit so I think they'll just reskin those body poses and add some weapons and cloaks. They'll probably do the same thing as the breacher kit: one version is just an upgrade sprue, while the other is a full kit with bodies.
>>98334727Its backwards retarded "war is hell MAAAAANNNNNNNN" logic that phosphex/radiation weapons and shit like the life eater are "atrocities" when you also have "exterminatus" as a VERY REAL 50/50 possibility for ANY engagement (especially if even the HINT of chaos is a possibility during ANY engagement).People act like ALL war isnt an "atrocity" at the end of the day....
>>98335045>"exterminatus" as a VERY REAL 50/50 possibility for ANY engagementThat's wrong though, it's a very rarely used weapon of last resort.
>>98335045weapons that kill enemies are goodweapons that continue to kill you and the people who are supposed to be living there for centuries to come are badit's not hard, dumbass
>>98334937
>>98333769blessed CAD
>>98334710For me: black and red is the quintessential grimdark color combo.I like that they're the dgaf legion that uses rad weapons and other horrible shit to kill the enemies of the emperor.Their specific units and aesthetics aren't terrible, 7/10Overall one of the coolest heresy legions for me.
>>98335045This isn't 40k anon...
>>98333378HH as most people that play know it comes from the inspiration and heritage of two distinct 10/10 sources, none of which are supported by GW anymore:- The grittiness and realism of 40k Imperial Armour by FW- The weirdness of Visions of Heresy, and all the artwork and concepts there explored. These are what made HH special.
>>98335278That's far from the only things that made HH special.
>>98330045Yeah shit suck and if you defend it you suck penis.Don't at me, and FUCK tranime
>>98331243Shut the fuck up you fucking drunk
>>98333275That's a really cool conversion. Great work
>>98330045The HH game has always been mediocre, IMO. I unironically had more fun with the Betrayal at Calth board game.But the big let down of HH2&3 are the aesthetics and the new lore.Despite the better proportions of the minis, the new designs and their paint jobs suck ass. And the attempts to imitate the early Black Books are just painful to read. Boring, dry, out of character, lore breaking, the list of missteps is long.And that's what really kills the interest for me.
>>98333313Those are beautiful anon. Can ypu share pics of the rest of you army?
Come The Scouring and the inevitable Mk7 kit, how are they going to handle the mix-and-match aspect of it outside of head swapping? i.e. Some guys having Beaky legs, all the different chest icons, etc?
>>98334807What a crazy question. Have you came out of the rock you were under for the last couple of years?
>>98335497They are going to handle it by never doing the scouring.
>>98335497The Scouring will never feature mk7 models. Mark (heh) my words.The period until the traitor legions fled to the Eye was dominated by MkVI (like in the old epic SM game from 1989). And the HH game is never going to go into the codex era.
>>98335497Make your own fucking thread and stop posting off-topic in a HH thread.
>>98334710Anon im gonna explain it to you very simply. zweihander, big, fucking, swords.
moast... podels!?eater walking around without any readily discernible insignia, many such cases
>>98329655what does rule of cool say about vindicator tanks, 30k or 40k?
>>98335786very strongk in cool factor imo and i think its profile really invites the aspect of rule of cool fueling dank rolls wellastartes StuGs fr
>>9833578630k gun looks better, but 40k has a much better dozer bladeI've seen people use 40k for demolishers and 30k for las destroyers
>>98335322Thank you friend.
>>98335488I haven't taken any full army pics in a while but here's an old photo from before a game in 2.0
>>98335786The 40k Vindicator is an exception to the rule about 30k minis looking better than their 40k versions. It's a great space Sturmtiger.But the 30k is ok, and more aesthetically appropiate for the HH. The phobos combibolter RCWS is a nice detail.
>>9833585740k also has better dozer blade designsthe heresy prong style dozers look terrible
>>98335786Is it even really a vindicator when it doesn't have a huge dozer blade? FW really dropped the ball with the deimos pattern vindicator. Good thing Mars pattern vehicles already existed as well in 30k.
>Still no MkIV tactical squad standalone release
>>98335958The battleforce box literally came out today, you impatient fuck.
>>98335958go on ebay nigger, people are already selling the split up box
>>98335254Tell that to Olympia and Nostromo.
>>98335952>Is it even really a vindicator when it doesn't have a huge dozer blade?Yes. The original RT conversion from WD didn't have one, and it was optional in the 2e model.The historical Sturmtiger never needed one.
rePardo has a public 3.0 survey. Perfect chance to tell him he sucks and so does 3.0
>>98336082I mean....link? ill give my opinion on the matter if they are asking
>>98336166forms (.) gle/FkDRw98jZAiEuc2x7
>>9833578630k all the way imo.
Appropriate as Arms of the Omnissiah Militia. Y/N?
>>98336082I'm doing my part.
>>98336325NThose french looking guardsmen are not 30k enough. They look more appropiate for 40k
>>98336325No, they look more like Imperial Army soldiers. Arms of the Omnissiah Militia is meant to be used for the 40k skitarii models I'm pretty sure.
>>98336325Yeah, they look fine.Swap out any special weapons for actual 30k special weapons and they'll be good.
>>98335840Such a nice army on such a shitty terrain. Hope you can do something about it.
>>98330045It killed my local community and the FLGS near me either removed their HH shelves or downsized them significantly.The thing I hate the most is that they just had a few minor issues with the 2.0 base rules that would have been easily fixed with a new edition, yet they chose to tear the floor out and have Chatgpt write the new rules.
>>98336816why would you give the store better terrain?
>>98333378This is the exact way I feel about the new skitarii battle-pilgrym(they even have that retarded branded/copyright unit name misspelling bullshit 40k and AoS does)Was immensely disappointed by the designs, it's clear that they don't care about the old aesthetic that made the game unique compared to their other ranges.The space marines have suffered the most, but that incredibly ugly traitor assassin is the worst example of this.
>>98334710Gay men who suck cock and take cocks in their anus
>>98333391The guy who originally designed that range made them completely differently than they ended up in the end, he had a personal plague marine army he had made on his own that had a look that rather made their armour heavier looking and rusted, sort of 1800s diving equipment based, with none of the trash slime and swarms and smoke details on the final models, you can still see this original vision if you remove all the sculpted effect clutter on the models.He himself went out and said that the models he had originally designed didn't have all of the trash slathered all over them, it was some higher ups who stepped in and said that he needed to add all the wacky cartoony effect details.It was a similar story with Constantin Valdor and Hibou Khan, the higher ups didn't approve the designs unless they were drowned in unnecessary cartoony details and effects without any purpose.There's many comic book and especially marvel fans at GW, you can see that many of the newer models in 40k fit that cartoony style of marvel, it may also be that they chose that look to appeal to kids more because the execs are famously out of touch with reality.It's very much an intentional choice and the execs bear the full blame for it.
>>98336325UPLAND TERCIO, HO!
>>98337042>The guy who originally designed that range made them completely differently than they ended up in the end, he had a personal plague marine army he had made on his own that had a look that rather made their armour heavier looking and rusted, sort of 1800s diving equipment based, with none of the trash slime and swarms and smoke details on the final models, you can still see this original vision if you remove all the sculpted effect clutter on the models.FUCK, any pics or links to pics of that army? Sounds fucking sweet....
>>98333736They're not criminals OR traitors. Everyone ELSE is a criminal or a traitor. <My dudes> are the only TRUE space marines left.
>>98337073It was in one of those Warhammer visions magazines they did for a while before deciding to bring back white dwarf.The army was beige/cream coloured with orange details if I remember correctly, the orange may have been rust.This may have been over a decade ago.
>>98335537nta I don´t see why they wouldn´t do mk7. GW will finish squatting what´s left of the old marines in 40k. Once they make everything primaris why wouldn´t they add mk7 to heresy?
>>98337198This guy seems pretty reasonable, I think I'm going to follow him into the gates of hell and never question him.
I have 10 MKII bodies. Should I build 10 despoilers or a thunder hammer + shield squad of vets/command squad?
>>98333736>night lordsYesYes
>>98337073>FUCK, any pics or links to pics of that army? Sounds fucking sweet....https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/V3WHxNqD/army-showcase-maxime-pastourels-plague-marines/
>>98337204Mk7 is an iconic part of the 40k identity in a way that beakies and older marks are not.
>>98337215eeeeehhhhhhhh.....They look REALLY good, for sure, but they almost look like a weird combination of TAU styling with marine styling. Almost like some of those "not warhammer" style proxy marines that people make and sell on ebay....
>>98336082That should about cover it.
>>98337403>lack of rerolls>bad thingAnd just like that literally everything you wrote can be disregarded.
>>983374112nd had too many, especially with some armies, wholesale getting rid of all of them wasn't the answer.
>>98337425It absolutely was. Rerolls are an overall terrible thing to have in a dice game.
>>98337431Nah.
>>98337431You can have them but in reason. 2.0 was not reasonable.
>>98336977Please don't go blabbing about the dark secret.
>>98337439Yes. Rerolls are the worst thing you can add, consistency. They create samey and predictable results, which removes the whole point of the dice game. They also tend to be incredibly powerful, but thats somewhat besides the point because obviously there exists some numerical combination for which the reroll is "mathematically balanced", even if you have to end up with really weird weapon statlines to do that. It wasnt in basically any edition of warhammer (modern 40k devolved into "everyone rerolls everything" and before that rerolls were insanely broken (see chaplains)) but its technically possible to balance rerolls in some hypothetical edition. They also slow down the game, but thats minor compared to everything else. >>98337460You CAN have them, but you shouldnt. They are at best "an evil that can be tolerated in small doses". Theyre especially bad in a game about mirrored statlines and capabilities.
>>98335857I think the 40k vindicator looks pretty slick without the dozer blade, it looks good both ways honestly.
>>98337471>Theyre especially bad in a game about mirrored statlines and capabilities.Titanicus has some rerolls and that's way more mirrored than 30k and they're not out of place at all.
>>98335786The 40k one is cooler in numbers. A veritable phalanx of doser blades. The 30k one looks sleeker and more "in place" alongside the other HH models, and obviously suits the laser destroyer better.
>>98336082Anyone up to date with e-celeb cancer that can give me an update?I used to binge SN for their decent batreps when they played many different games. But now its only Pardo and a basedman?And he seems very angry/uptight about everything, with an obsession with what's "competitive".Did something happen?
>>98337210What legion?
>>98335945>>98335952dozer blades aren't really a thing guys, nobody actually does that on self-propelled artillery because it's retarded>>98336027I actually prefer the prong because it feels like the Deimos could punch a hole in a building then shoot through the hole, whereas the Mars feels more like it's trying to be a minesweeper
>>98337618It looks cool, and that's what counts.
Similar to the other anon, I also have a spare 10 MkII bodies that I’m trying to decide what to do with. Should I make them despoilers or a volkite support squad? Iron Warriors if that matters.
>muh historical tanks thoThis is a setting about battles between supersoldiers, walking churches with building-sized laser cannons and ogres with hydraulic shears for hands. There are death rays and chainsaw swords in this setting. I do not give a FUCK about the historical precedent for giant dozer blades on tanks because they look cool.
>>98337738I'd just keep unless you're sure.You can use them to knock together some some characters in the future as you need them.
>>98337810That’s smart. I’m using the other half of the box to make some shotgun vets, but using the leftover dudes as characters is a good idea.
>>98334321>GK or gives them an update that's Aspect Marines all over again.11th editionThe Grey Knights seek belisarius Cawl for aid in upgrading their secret order and cawl knows about them because reasonsHe adds an extra organ to create primaris grey knights- the psy-glad- implanted in the brain to make psychic powers stronger or some shit.the grey knights have now been reorganized intoPsy-Gravis ArmourBrother terminators but their helmets are now the generic ones instead of the knight ones for some reason (the sculptor in CAD did not know enough about the faction and no one was checking).battleline strike squad has been streamlined into the Incineratus (all armed with incinerators)Psychatus (all have psilencers)And Canonatus (all have psy-cannons)The land raider crusader has also been replaced by the Crusader Repulsor (black templars also get this vehicle) which hovers.Also all the unique bits of the armour like the pauldrons being special or the purity seals are smoothed over and look very generic.All the other squads like purgation are now pointless and are put int he special firstborn Legends ghettoYOU ARE WELCOMEAnd another Dreadknight variant wielding a psy-pike instead of the mace.In addition there are rumours with the activity of Magnus the Red and Prospero, a shadowy figure in the warp with a similar warp signal to Magnus has been sensed by the masters of the Grey Knights. Some whisper it is Janus, the first Grandmaster of the Order, and the lost half of Magnus' soul that did not fall to chaos.... (this is where GW sets the stage to release a new model in 12th edition) the primarch of the Grey Knights.....
>>98337900You have made me even more sad tonight.
>>98337505it all started when he was born 4'9
>>98337900You forgot to add they also got wrist-mounted heavy stubbers now, rather than storm bolters.
>>98337900
Femstodes are a cheap price to pay for plastic custodes dreads, in retrospect
>>98334354>>98334459I have morals, nazitrash, that's why I am buying from Russians. Imagine still believing in retarded NAziTO propaganda after 5 years of seeing genocidael and ukronazis doing serial terrorist attack after terrorist attack on top of mass civilian bombing, the faster Russians go full 1945 on them and both disgusting AH wannabes shoot themselves in fuhrerbunker the better...
>>98337403Here, I'll raise you before I think of more stuff I'll regret not including.
>>98335737Been working on getting a long-shelved Dark Angels project off the ground, got a few finished models I'm pretty happy with.
>>98338572I know it's not a proper heresy Land Raider, but most Mars-pattern vehicles are still more or less setting accurate afaik
>>98338581Nah that land raider is entirely kosher for HH
>>98330045>I won't play 2.0, it's shit, I'm only going to play 1.0>I won't play 3.0, it's shit, I'm only going to play 2.0>I won't play 4.0, it's shit, I'm only going to play 3.0 (next next year)>Repeat until until HH 10.0 and we finally get Warhammer 20k
>>98337618>it feels like the Deimos could punch a hole in a building then shoot through the holeThat would be suicide, since when it fires there's a giant shock wave out of the barrel.These things are supposed to fire big ass rockets. Demolisher cannon rounds are actually like giant bolt rounds.In WW2 they were used to bring down buildings in urban battles.
>>983376181944, m7 priest SPG with a dozer blade.m728 combat engineering vehicle. Dozer blade and a fatass chode cannon. Arguably the same role as a vindicator, clear obstacles and blow shit up with HE.T-72 comes with an inbuilt dozer blade for entrenching itself into a hulldown position.plenty of reasons for a dozer blade to exist on the vindicator.
>>98338867>poik open doors of manufactorum>boom>rapid withdrawal
>>98338819I don't know I never liked 1.0, but I did like 2.0 a lot, and people in my circle too. And the way 3.0 is played/build is not really our game. It feels , and I am underlining the part about "feels", to most of us like another version of AoS/w40k.
>>98338327>I'd buy from ISIS>I have moralsDid you buy your morals from ISIS too?
>>98339199Fuck off back to /pol/
I seem to recall that those Thousand Sons Terminators crests fit on top of something else, what was it? Saturnine Terminators/Dreadnoughts? It was a photo that someone posted of grey plastic and it looked great.
>>98338327>>98339199Fuck off, faggots
I was thinking about a little homemade rule and I would like to know your thoughts. When a vehicle is destroyed and do not explode a single marine (with mechanicum symbols) armed with a boltgun and pistol or chainsword and pistol exits the vehicle. If there is no unit inside the vehicle he is his own unit (that cannot take objectives ofc), while if there was a unit inside he joins that unit. What you think? I am talking in 2.0 context.
>>98339529How did RT crew rules work, again?
>>98339601Hot damn, that is a nice model. Who's the sculptor?
>>98339529>>98339566
>>98334443HA, JUST got emails from ALL4WARGAMES saying my lucius warhound AND both of my legion artillery pieces are shipped now! So well see if I get a shitty 3d print like some other guy did from them several years ago....
>>98337611Night Lords.
>>98338482>any unit ever being removedName the unit that was removed from the amy list, let alone because its model was old
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>>98339786>来自辉煌的中国,折扣战锤套装直接送到您家门口。Wartable is awesome. Sometimes theres thin pieces and some of the edges of things are pretty fragile, but the prices cant be beat at all. Give them a shot for sure.
>>98339780>>98339786THE SUN SHINES HIGH OVER BEIJING.
>>98339927errday
Legion Imperialis stuff new week
>>98339529I believe Battlefront's earlier editions of Flames of War had something just like that but if the crew got off your edge of the board safely it would deny the opponent any points for taking out the vehicle.Haven't gotten into the game myself but something I remembered from a demo ages ago. Your idea would be sick for a campaign too
If I put all of my eggs in one proverbial basket, which 3d sculptor makes the best Horus Heresy miniatures? Price doesn't matter, but they have to be in line with the proportions of current plastics so no troonscalers.
>>98340173There can be only one.https://cults3d.com/en/users/oHm/3d-models
>>98340076So just a small release then :^)
>>98339786GW, please ban poors from this hobby.
>>98339566>>98339529in RT and into 2E your crew could escape; this was first simplified by the Vehicle Manual rules, which made Crew a location on the damage chart, and any Hits which landed there could use the crewmember's armour save against them (or the crewmember would die); the crewman was always armed with the basic pistol of their faction (in those days, bolt or las usually) and wore the basic armour of their faction (for marines, power armour)it was needlessly complicated and slowed games down for no real reason
>>98338327how are the russians gonna go fast without gas
>>98340456>no real reasonIt's called "fun"
>>98340452>loicenseLmaooooo
>>98339247Maybe it was those newer Cataphractii terminators.
>>98337618>dozer blades aren't really a thing guysNeither are chainswords.
>>98340452
>>98340173i wish my favorite sculptor didn't turn out to be some schizo faggot that scrubs his pages of prior stuff without much basis let alone warning
>>98338327Must be nice to be able to troll here while your little pet Comrade Janitovich bans anyone who mocks you huh.
>>98340828contemptors swerve(lest they be ground apart underfoot)
Machine pussy
How many quad mortars until its a dick move? Is 12 too many?
>>98340993Double heresywhoopsImeanfalsehood.
>>98341033is three too few?do they all have to be mortars?if you're a mortar kinda dude then go nuts but a dozen of them is going to detract from the texture of the rest of the force at any reasonable scalei hope you're proonting them! there are a good few nice looking carriage sculpts.
>>98341087>i hope you're proonting them!Yes. Buying 12 mortars, even at recast prices, is far too much for a unit I dont expect to use very much (mostly an answer for autocannon HSS). The idea is a small allied detachmet of SA (line section, two 20 man squads, artillery command, 2 artillery tercio full of quad mortar units. Another idea is something similar, but with militia. Add some of those 7" rocket artillery for good measure, love me some statuses.
>>98341149i think there's a lot more breathing room concerning the points they'll occupy and your army's flavor if said carriages are auxilia ones. i had assumed astartes.it is pretty on-point for baseliners to be trying to do their stuff through means of artillery as opposed to being up-front bolter food
>>98341217Its around 10pts cheaper per rapier iirc, theyre 50pts each for aux (and in a siege tercio, they scatter less).
>>98340590Judging by those, its a good thing he did....
>>98341033in 12 units? yes, you'll never stop firing because of statuses and it'll be a whole lot of busy work to deal with youin 3-4 or even in 6 units? no, you're gonna get rolled by the first volkite kratos you meet, and it'll cost half as much even with the Decurion to give it that sweet return choom
>>98341332truer space marines than anything gw has ever shat out btw ;3
>>98341149DESU for SA another good allied to take is just artillery command and 3 basalisks, it comes just under 500 points and i mean, being able to drop 3 S10 Breaching 5+ D2 pinning 2 shots anywhere on the board is never NOT good.
>>98341361>you're gonna get rolled by the first volkite kratos you meetYou know, im not sure about that.Obviously quad mortars cant kill a kratos, but the volkite kratos isnt exactly great at killing them either. The big gun kills around one militia/aux rapier. And the little volkites wont exactly be much better (theyll actually be worse). The full loadout (autocannon, big choom, four little chooms, adds up to around 7 wounds done to rapiers. So two guns taken out. Plus the big advantage I can see for mortars is "you can hide them behind terrain". Theyre 60" range barrage, you can just hide them out of LoS of anything and shell away. Kratoses are not known for their speed to get vantate points. >>98341383Basilisks are breaching 6+, medusas are breaching 5+. But I dont like how medusas look. I like the 40k style basilisks though. So I might get one if I decide to pursue this SA allies thing.
>>98341391sorry 6+ yeah but still its really nice.If you wanna go the other way you can do it with milita and get like 5 earth shakers for the same price, but they cant move and dont have pinning 2 and dont get to subtract their BS from the shot.
>>98341444For militia I like their big rockets. 7" blast with barrage(1) seems like just an autohit essentially, and suppressive(2) on that seems nasty. Just drown the backline of the other guy in status checks.
>>98341462Ooo yeah thats also really good.
>>98338327You want to re run Operation Zapad, why?Anyway. Does anyone know if the chainblads from a contemptor dreadnought fit on a fist that leviathan has?
To the anons arguing about re-rolls. IMO its ok that they got rid of them, but they also didn't replace the void they left with anything either which is a big miss. What I mean is that there used to be a weapon type that mechanically more reliable to hit with (twin linked etc) that's now basically gone. This really hurts expensive low volume shooting like super heavy tanks or NPC armies like aux/militia that needed those sorts of weapons to not feel bad.
>>98330045Are the 2.0 pdfs even available? I want to complete my collection by I'm missing a few of the supplements
>>98342042i can't see any issue in rolling more dice besides the time it takes, and it's texture to the combat at the end of the day. that there's a modicum of consistency perhaps introduced to weapons with it is not all that offensive on the likes of which its featuredchainblades and laser cannons namely? pretty serious stuff in the setting
>>98342077Unfortunately rerolls would be a downgrade for a lot of weapons now due to the implementation of damage. 2 Las canons shots at 2d a shot is way better then a single twin linked las canon for 2 damage.
How bad an idea is it to run a thunder hammer on a despoiler sgt? I feel the smart option is 3 heavy chainswords, but I feel like the thunder hammer could be cool.
>>98339769Despoilers
>>98337210>>98339769Do they still have the stabby inductii?
>>98342138If it's cool that's reason enough
not a single infantry squad survived this game
>>98340828very cool, what legion for the beaten dread? blood angels?
>>98342133a reroll will always be worse than 2 shots
>>98342281The odd unpainted unit is no sin, but an entire unpainted army? contemptor with no arms? anon. get him some help.
>>98342327well he painted 2 of those terminators since I last saw him so I let him off the hook
>>98339777Nakrid Thole, Mawdrym Llanshai and Kheron Ophion.
I just printed some weapons, but the builder I have I don't like the bodies. I have some currently unused Mk6, but was going to use them for a different army. Life is pain.
What's a good start for custodes? Should I get the new box? Am I right in thinking that these guys make much more sense on the battlefield than they do in 40k? What kind of battles did they engage in?
>>98342042>What I mean is that there used to be a weapon type that mechanically more reliable to hit with (twin linked etc) that's now basically gone.It isn't gone, not at all. Blast weapons are now insanely accurate. Even if you fail the hit roll, the blast only scatters 1D6", meaning even for a small blast marker it is incredibly hard to entirely miss something as small as a Rhino.
>>98334321Here is a recent kitbash of mine. The arms are not from the GK because I didn't want to bother removing the stormbolter.>Most of the pieces have the Inquisition symbol somewhere.>The scale is that if the old squatting models.
>Both my Whirlwind boxes had one of the plastic seals cut, and then re-sealed with a new oneWhat is up with that? Nothing seems to be missing from the boxes. Did these get re-packaged by GW or something? The build instruction booklet is a lot fancier than the one that came with the scorpius, full colour and glossy finish. There also seems to be a new vehicle transfer sheet, has IW and Salamanders on it too and a lot more icons and shit.
>>98342756Lookin' spiffyFuck I wish modern marine kits would allow for this. Easy and great.
>>98342820YOU WILL BUY ZE 5 MONOPOSE MODELS AND YOU WILL LIKE IT
>>98342985>Well, at least since it's the 5 same poses they are cut the same way across all marks, right?>Right?
Are the new cataphractii hands the same as regular power armor?
>>98343459yes, they're same size
>>98343184
>>98342042the jump in reliability to Hit was from 83% to 97% at BS5 and from 66% to 88% at BS4this meant that a BS4 model with a twin-linked weapon was as likely to hit something as a BS7 model using its 5+ reroll and a BS5 model with a twin-linked weapon became equivalent to a BS10 model with any weaponin effect if you had a twin-linked lascannon (issues of Sunder aside, since they came on the scene much later) it was a better weapon than the Exitus rifle of a Vindicare, or at least equal (depending on the era and specific profile of that weapon)twin-linked lascannons were ten a penny if you recall, at times there were even special rules, Reactions etc that could make a weapon (including lascannons sometimes) twin-linked for a shooting attackreplacing that is the Critical Hit system that increases Damage per Wound, meaning there's always a chance to miss (more often than 1/36 anyway) and the damage output of any weapon used by BS6+ models is increased when they hit
>>98343481Let me guess, the hand and arms are one piece for terminators?
>>98343614Yup. There's only one arm with the hand separate.
COMBI WEAPONSCOMBI WEAPONSCOMBI WEAPONShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/dgulc48x/create-horus-heresy-veterans-with-new-combi-weapons-and-shotguns/
>>983413911/7 to take 2W from the carrier each shot with the cardanelle; this destroys a Militia carrier and removes 2/3 of the Aux carrier's Wounds; the subsequent Cool Check is at 4 for Militia and 6 for Aux (1/6 pass for Militia and 2/5 pass for Aux; this is why larger units are less oppressive playstyle); Suppressed massively reduces their usefulness (even with Precision Bombardment 80% of their shots will be 4" off target on average)calivers and culverin are 1/9 to take 1W each shot, the bolter vs MEQ standard (or the house wins at craps - you know, the game the house runs because it wins a lot)Deflagrate hits for all three are rather better since the Hits are automatic and are thus 1/5 for the cardanelle and 1/6 for the calivers and culverin and in all cases inflict 1 Damage on an unsaved Wound; so wiping that Aux carrier becomes almost 1/6 for the cardanelle and easier for the other chooms tooto be honest I stand by the assessment that the only thing that makes them particularly survivable is if they're split into 12 separate 1 carrier units, which is relatively doable without too much thought, though they'd still be quite a large chunk of points - 600 for the Aux, 540 for the Militia - and in those numbers the Militia points break is probably worth it even though it's only saving like 45 points; they're losing out on their highest chance of killing MEQ (and only chance of dealing with light tanks) if they're behind cover, and Militia don't even have Shatter shells at all, so anything reasonable hard to kill - dreadnoughts, TEQ, AEQ, not to mention AV14 which they cannot touch - becomes intransigent if not impossible to deal withfor the cost of a small to mid-tier LoW they're not a great investment even at 2K-3Kthe thing about Aux rapiers being able to keep shooting even if their crew are killed is still very funny tho; picture the confused Kharn trying to work out where the skull is on an Aux rapier carrier so he can finish the fight and leave
>>98343659Worse than primaris.
>>98343659HOLY SHITI need a fresh change of pants
>>98343659I prefer the old designs but I don't mind these in a sort of "rogue trader goofiness" way
>>98343659i like the shotguns, combi weapons feel more like necromunda weapons but i may just warm up to them
>>98343659These are kind of strange, what a weird box.
>>98343659>Vet breachers get free shotguns>2 one handed shotguns per boxoy vey
>>98343659The tilted Bren-like vertical mags on the combi weapons are silly, but worksI'm surprised they didn't bother to add Combi-disintegrator weapons
>>98343659Ngl these are fucking ass. why didn't they use the existing combi weapon design they already had?>shotgunsI thought these were autoguns at first
>>98343659>You load the magazine from the topHoly fuck this is not great lol. Shot guns are dope as fuck though.
>>98343741Why would Space Marines be using Autoguns?
>>98343739>combi-disintIn the disint weapon pack my dude
>>98343755Blackshields, or because you think it's cool.
>>98343659Will this drop when the MKIV standalone boxes drop?
>>98343788maybe
>>98343659Those are awesome but why are they so fucking LATE
>>98343788MKIV standalone will probably preview this sunday, they've been dropping the HH kits only a week after their fomo boxes release recently
>>98343801>LateWeren't in the original 2.0 plan.2.0 came out 4 years ago.
>>98343839No it didn't, it can't be more than 2 years ago...
>>98343755It has been an option for blackshields for all 3 editions.
>>98343839Anon combi weapons have been a thing since fucking first ed and had rules all through second, its late in that we have waiting this long to get a platic kit of a piece of equipment that almost every character even sgts can take this fucking long.
>>98342756These would make good as knights errants, what do you play this guy as?
>>98343851Anon, June 2022 was more than 4 years ago.>>98343855I just told you the kit wasn't in the original plan for 2.0GW plans X kits for a Y year plan. Combi weapons weren't in it.
>>98343871Anon im not arguing that it was not, im just saying it was late in the sense of, this should have been one of the first kits they put out next to breachers, dispoilers and rapiers.
>>98343659Looks like shit, awful design
>>98343877I agree, anon. I'm only laying down why and how GW is retarded.
>>98343710these look nothing like RT stuff
>>98343659Could've enjoyed more styles than the same one five times, but at least there's shotguns, saving a lot less hassle for Recons and Effrits. But no luck for Combi-Greandes, I guess.Guess it's another two years until we get assorted sniper rifles?
>>98343741>Ngl these are fucking ass. why didn't they use the existing combi weapon design they already had?Because NU-designers are shit.
>>98343659>No combi-bolters>No combi-grenade launchersWhy? I guess I'm fine with the rest of it... but the angled magazines look weird... and the under slung special weapons themselves seem kind of small...Fuck I can't make up my mind honestly. I definitely prefer the shotguns I made last year a lot more (inspired by a raven guard player who I saw posting here).
>>98343885Oh yeah, GW is peak fucking stupido.Great example of how fucking dumb they are and how many times they leave money just sitting on the table, is the fact we STILL do not have a multi kit version of a plastic Storm eagle/fire raptor. Fire raptor/storm eagle is one of if not the WORST kit they have ever made. Its already in half plastic as is, and everyone wants a fire raptor.
>>98343892But they already had a nu-design for combi weapons. The DG praetor and loyalist champion both have one.These new combis are nu-nu designs.
>>98343908nu^2
>>98343908Yeah they truly went full retard
>>98343659The old shotty looked better, it was a crude high caliber weapon that looked cheap but effective for what it was supposed to do. The nu-shotgun looks powerful but overdesigned enough to jam if a bit of sand gets over it. It doesn't scream recon squad weapon to me.
>>98343894why are the wire thing so long on the backpack? nice paintjob tho
I think I see the problem.
>>98343925>What could have beenHey, maybe recons will have that type of shotgun :^)
>>98343659Like, holy shit, those combis are fucking awful. Shotguns are okay tho.
>>98343985>>98343985>>98343985
>>98343659Why can't those fuckers leave well enough alone?
FuckersI just bought 20 deliverance pattern shotguns for my breachers
>>98343660>); Suppressed massively reduces their usefulnessIt literally does nothing to barrage anon, since those do not roll to hit and therefore dont care. Assuming they survive which is also not a given. And breaking down the damage into "this does X" means rather little because the damage is still ultimately what was laid out. I.e a kratos firing full tilt at a unit kills around two rapiers. Which is not very much and not a big threat. Its not the sort of overkill where it can split fire to effectively take out multiple targets, its a big heavy tank taking a shot it wont get to take often and coming out not very far ahead.
>>98343660>- dreadnoughts, TEQ, AEQ, not to mention AV14 which they cannot touch - becomes intransigent if not impossible to deal withYou arent taking quad mortars to deal with dreadnoughts. Nor are shatter shells even good for dealing with dreads because 2+ saves are a thing. Quad mortars exist either to cause panic(3) via phosphex or to drown any power armor in armor saves from a position that offers very little counterplay to defensive armies. You simply shell anyone on their home objective/shell their HSS and they kinda have to take it.
>>98342247Yes. Theyre actually very cost effective (into things like despoilers) this edition. Fall off hard into harder targets though. I would make some, but I want an interdiction cadre.
>>98343659Those shotguns are actually kinda sexy as fuck. >still no combi grav
>>98343659once again because one of the people in charge of 30k is a fucking retard prooting and recast are the best options. At least the shotguns are really cool.
>>98343865>playI don't :(But I made it as a chapter champion for 40k.
>>98343659holy SEX
>>98343659jesus christ those suck
