Can't have breasts on a blue board!>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online:https://www.trenchcrusade.com/rules/They used to be split between the website and the discord, but no more. For posterity's sake, the old mega will still be kept active even if it's unlikely to need updating: https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAcUse these (and/or 3D printing) instead of the official plastics as their pricing contradicts the accessibility to the game (price wise) Trench Crusade was founded on.>Trench Companion, awesome warband builder and campaign trackerhttps://trench-companion.com/>Previous Thread: >>98223653>Thread QuestionDid Joan of Arc 2v2 the hegemon?
Ive seen Kickstarter rulebooks going on sale for like 200 usd on eBay.Is this gonna keep going up for a few more years or should I just put mine up for sale now and cash out the book regardless of whether it goes up or not?
>>98334138cash out and use the money towards a professional color print of the online rules every major update.
>>98334203Yeah do this. I'm keeping mine but if I were to cash out now is the time I think.
>>98334130>2v2No she ONE V ONE the hegemon. >FRENCH WOMAN SWEEEEEP
>>98334138you don't know if TC will die in few years
>>98334130Has anyone tried out the multiplayer rules yet? I figure it'll be funny for something like dragon hunt with 4 people all getting destroyed early campaign, but what's your takes?
What powers do you want in a Hebrew Knights faction? It can't just be golems.
>>98337262Your oponent pays you 60$ at the start of the game, if not, you win instantly. I'm not sure how to deal with jew vs jew matchup.
I finished a squad earlier this weekNow just to convince my wife/friends to make a warband
>>98334130So how exactly do you guys get models? At first I thought ya needed a 3D printer til I saw you can just buy them online.
sup niggasYa'll ready for your struggle session?
>>98337262>>98337319 >60 dollars for 8 minis meanwhile victrix and wargames Atlantic and perry get by selling way better value boxes just invalidates any downplays and excuses.>>98338666When did this general become a humorous “ironic supporting” grave for trench crusade?It is a little silly seeing how things have turned out to be contradictions. I don’t see how things will get better.Is trench crusade entering a phase where it is “supported” by a following like the morbius movie was “supported?”
>>98338421Kitbash anon.Get historicals set mini's, plus DnD monsters. Medieval and WW1.Add some jewelry chain, some religious iconography, and some milliput, and you're done.TC was better when you HAD to kitbash to get into it imo.>>98338666>Caring what a literal tranny youtuber in clown makeup says.Holy fuck my sides.
>>98338421My buddies have printers, you can get them online, and you can kitbash with other models entirely someone at adepticon rolled with sigmar ghosts models kitbashed with guns it was sick>>98338666You'd think such a foul specimen would find a more profitable grift, c'est las vie
Do I get it right that even with the Hell Gate open actual demons can't really physically manifest on Earth and Court forces can only do that because they are essentially some freaky half-breeds and mutilated weirdos rather than "pure-breed" demons? I recall reading something like that
>>98341757Correct. Fallen and Faithful both seem to believe that if a full, 100% demon touched Earth, God would consider that an escalation in the conflict that he would resolve by wiping out everything like Noah and the Deluge (but with fire this time).Angels probably show up as well, and they tend to end in nuke-level devastation in the surrounding area that spares no one, so God is trying not to take it that far. Hell wants to spite The Tyrant God YHWH by perverting his creation, so they don't want to just destroy the whole thing outright.
>>98337262Golems are a given. Jokes aside, some money related effects would make perfect sense given how the Jews did historically deal in banking and loaning a lot (although to be fair mostly long after the Gate got opened, so it might not be the case in this setting). But obviously they would get eaten alive for doing that, so not happening.Maybe some Kabbalah inspired spell mechanic as a sort of Faithful counterpart of Court's Goetic magic?As for general playstyle, given how they're called Hebrew *Knights* and will also have golems I imagine it's going to be a rather tanky, elite heavy, but not very numerous faction
>>98338699>Caring what a literally the target audience says. Yes?
>>98338699>tranny>not the target audience
>>98338666You are not taking away my position as the rent free king of the warhammers and the trench crusade colony.
Wow Sultanate Assassins are pricy to kit out.
>>98345875Best get praying for their rework to be good
>>98345331sperg vs tranny, the battle of all time.
>>98345875I just wanted one in my Vanilla IS warband...
TC fags already came to terms with getting scammed or still in denial?
>STOP POSTING YOUR COMPLAINTS ON THE KICKSTARTER PAGE IT MAKES US LOOK BAD!!!
>>98347432inb4 >Trench Crusade did nothing wrong>Its always the partners fault
>>98334319The rules are a bit clunky, but they are quite fair. Tested them in an IS v C7 v TG match, and everyone was getting their licks in. It was a fucking bloodbath. By turn 2, every warband had lost almost half their dudes.>>98337262Definitely Kabbalistic/Gnostic sorcery.Faction groups based on passages of the Talmud would be fucking peak. TC has been fairly good about exercising a understanding of the different religions at play; I'd love to hear what an actual Rabbi would have to say about the game, and I have no doubt they will get the advice of one to make sure it is on point.I imagine the HKs will be small forces of elite units similar to Court.
>>98347433You forgot the line where everyone calls the critics trolls or Arch fans. Hence why arch is the rent free king of trench crusade.
>>98348805Considering that the guy is the source of the shitposting before anything company related went south, why would the guy be ignored?40k faggots bitch about Ward to this fucking day, a decade and more later.
>>98348813I haven’t heard of Matt ward in a long time.Run into arch more so I think arch dethroned ward as the rent free king.Especially in the collective minds of trench crusade followers.I generally use this thread like a grave to laugh at myself for being invested in this project.And to laugh at how I had a superiority complex for blindly liking things that were not warhammer. Lessons learned. >>98347425Holy smokes if I was still in my phase I’d deny and downplay that hard. Deny by ignoring on a level like sticking my head in the sands and pretend it never happened and downplay saying it is third party’s fault.
>Probably most ranged combat focused faction in the game>Their primary gun of choice is some antique flintlock piece of crap while everyone else in the setting is already running repeating bolt-action rifles and beginning to introduce automatic weaponsThe Sultanate should really get its shit together, muh alchemical ammo can't possibly be worth having like 5 to 10 lower firing rate
>>98350117they can't use alchemical ammo on bolt-action
>>98348813>that the guy is the source>a drama happens due tranny discord mods>a deranged youtuber milk the shit out of the news>it's his faultdude, it's they other way around.
Is it just me, or does making a "trench crusade general" just seem delusional at this point?
I genuinely think this game would have done extremely well if they had just admitted the Faithful are the good guys and not tried this cringe "akshually everyone is bad" shit that invoked the ire of the actual real Lord God. They would have been blessed by the Holy Spirit and their endeavours would have aligned with good fortune, now everything is falling apart because the creators spit in God's face.
>>98350535On one hand, kinda yeah, on another, being one of the few people here who actually likes and plays this game sometimes I genuinely do want to ask a question about it and this is the only place I can kinda do that. Any other thread about it will be 90% flooded by obsessed haters, while in this one it's more like "just" 66%
>>98350535Probably not.The full potential has been lost but I can only see loads of fighting on /awg/ as trench crusaders deny and downplay that their project has been fumbled.>>98350560I wonder if you’re right about the last sentence. Are we all damned now?Either way I’ve been looking at forbidden psalm for my unholy world war setting if I remember forbidden psalm right.Xenos Rampant might work too.
>>98350583>Are we all damned now?No, that's silly. You can take part in playing the game if it's just an exercise in fictional fantasy wargaming to you with no malicious intent. But as for the creators, they clearly had some anti-Christian intentions. Even still their souls aren't permanently imperiled, they could be forgiven like for any other sin, but the fortunes of the game itself are surely cursed. And it's a shame because all that had to happen to avoid this was for the creators to not try to suggest that the Faithful people of God fighting a defensive existential war against demonic forces were somehow on the same level of morality as the literal Legions of torture-rape-cannibalism Hell monsters.
>>98350611They also shouldn’t have sided with inq28 when they went too far and crossfire banned many based on vibes during the chuddening that let Arch seize his throne as the rent free king.They shouldn’t have had their Prussians priced at worse value per box meanwhile perry and victrix and wga do so better.They shouldn’t have stalled for so long on the Kickstarter then poorly deliver on the printed goods.There’s far more but it is saddening. This general may really be a digital “grave” for us to visit and talk about this game. Others just choose to take a fat shit.
>>98350574Fair enough>>98350583I hadn't considered that
>>98350646Yeah I agree with all of this as well. The first line in the most important, because if they hadn't made enemies of all of those people then there would have been a lot more lenience and patience and good will with them when the logistical difficulties began.
>>98350583>>98350646>>98350694>>98350703Oh Noo! This isn't supposed to happen. I'm losing my power!
>>98338699Literally had a friend advise against trying out TC because some fucktard youtuber told that the game is "cringe". I told him to commit suicide as soon as possible. The game is great and if anyone here bases their own opinion on the sperg or the tranny please consider going outside and looking at a woman for a few seconds at a time.
>>98350560I'm hoping that some creative autist would take up the job of writing a new campaign in which a "Lord Girlyman" figure would appear and start to straighten out the religious so they look more like the good guys again instead of masochist psychos.
>>98352590Try saying this on the TC discord and see how far you get lolThe community you're running defence for absolutely hates people like you
>>98352590>cringeThe lore is quite cringe, bro.Aesthetics are cool, but the lore...
>>98352590I don't know how to break this too you man, but ALL tabletop/tcg/writing hobbies are cringe. Its sort of our thing.
>>98350499>fan discord that had nothing to do with devsThat part gets forgotten about; the primary reason everyone knows it's shitposting, and as usual, jannies let the shitposters ruin the thread.
>>98352603>instead of masochist psychos.>trench pilgrims are the entire setting
>>98353029Anon complaints were made about it and tc sided with the fan discord that was the de facto official place.Even when they went full retard and started being unprofessional.You did the denial and downplay.Doesn’t really matter because ffi did a lot of messed up things after. Should have known the first blunder was a sign of things to come.
>>98353041>anything resembling facts is 'denial and downplay'>TC devs not wanting a known culture warrior shitposter forcing their shitposts in the discord makes them wrong>spams the same forced memes like an autistMakes sense, actually. The real mentally broken insist on spamming their shitposts. It's like touhoufag all over again.
>>98353055Not a good look anon.You’d know what I’m referencing if you were there.
>>98353060Spamming random screencaps, culture war bullshit and forced memes because your autism won't allow you to act like a regular person and leave something you claim to not be interested in means... what, exactly?Why don't you just post cp and get it over with?
>>98353073It means you’re ignorant to the fumbling of tc. Wonder what it will take but I was there when privateer was stabbing warmahordes to death and lads still hung onto the sinking boat when waters were up to their mouths.I’ve taken the zealous blinders off and taken the L on tc and at this point it is just coming here in hopes that things have turned around. Anyways that last sentence isn’t a good look from how left field it is. You need an investigation.
>>98353029>nothing to do with the devs>except where they're friends and publically support every decision they make unconditionally
>>98353136They will keep lying even in their tombs.>>98353029Dude, I was in following the game in their other discord's server.Everybody was afraid to be banned and when new guys asked lore question about """dangerous""" topic everybody shut up and did not anwer.And the """dangerous""" topic where>what about the Aztechs>are the hell factions evil_>if the pope faction is directly in contact with god and the hell's gates prove its existence why do pagans exists? Why do not muslims convert?>The logistic of the nonsensical map, example: how the fuck can Ethiopians go to NA? How can hell's factions have manpower if they controls a tiny region?And all the obvious questions that everybody who read the lore for the first time may ask
>>98353200>more memes
>>98353228>guys like to talk about the lore IP they are enjoying even if there are some clear issues>they are memepeople like you killed TC before the retarded management
>>98353248>thinks spammed meme topics represents genuine interest
>>98353283>they are memeno they are taboos, that's the problem
>>98353283It is genuinely interesting seeing the foundations of trench crusade being floundered.It started small then just kept snowballing from there.It is even more fascinating seeing the defense programming in action which has been summarized as denial and downplaying above.If trench crusade doesn’t magically turn around is gonna be a case study in what not to do at this point in the tabletop industry.Now how to fix it, I don’t know.
>>98353291>meme topics that were spammed got banned and that is the actual problem>still insisting meme topics were srsbiznissSince you are a faggot, I'll recount for you:>people asking about aztecs (and none of the other peoples that lived in the americas) in a game that had nothing to do with the americas in any fashion other than acknowledging the continents exist, being focused on europe and the levant>nothing anywhere said that hell factions were not evil>there is no pope faction, retards could not read, and there has not been any communication with god, (american) idiots can't in to abrahamic religion>idiots and shitposters took a cartoony map of a setting that hadn't begun to flesh out it's regions as an absolute certainty and got mad about itHonestly, there are so many idiots and disingenuous fucks around this game that it belies chance. There are at least 2 or 3 different posters sitting around waiting to post troll comments, and DARVO like they will die if they don't when you call them out on it.I would vastly prefer everyone that posts about TC to get permab& on sight, and only see the game if I visit the discord.I only feel bad for compendium anon, who has put real love and work in to the game for the love of it.To him, I salute.
>>98353373>there are so many idiots and disingenuous fucks around this gamedon't talk like that about yourself, anon.Btw it looks like you never read anything of the lore...>a cartoony map of a setting that hadn't begunYour standard are very low. A what if scenario about real history and real geography needs authors with some competence.You can keep downplaying as you want, but if the setting is dumb... it is dumb. If you enjoy dumb stuff it's up to you.The cool thing about TC was its community, when there was almost nothing about the lore the community was crazily creative. Amazing kitbashing, incredible "fan" stories, dioramas, warbands backstory and so on.You are talking as it is difficult to have a decent worldbuilding, but the average user of /tg/ can do a lot better.As it is the worldbuilding SUCKS, justifying the stupidity of it is like justify any action of any character of Idiocracy for absurd reasons.It's LOW QUALITY.
>>98353426Then why are you here, talking about LOW QUALITY?Is this an actual bot?
>>98353436No it isn’t a bot.If it was it would say you missed the general or traditional games with a question mark or demanding models posted in warhammer threads.But those meme arrow greentext responses above looked bot coded to me.
>>98353436Half the fun of visiting these threads is seeing people like you get triggeredThe other half is to see how soon people will start making fun of Tuomas platform shoes
>buy WGA Germans to make into Heretic Troopers>they’re like half the size of the official modelsHeretic Legions child soldier brigade I guess??
>>98354023>Kids are cruel, Jack
>>98354039Imagine being a Prussian veteran trooper who’s fought demons, zombies and madmen for years and you get smoked by a satanic child with a hand-me-down carbine
>>98353326>Now how to fix it, I don’t know.Only total repentance before God and public disavowing of trannies.
2 weeks till carcass front ships, excited?
>>98354267Where are my STLs nigger?
>>98354267more like 2 years
>>98354267Yes. They need to release more plastics though. I want my dirge warband and I want it now.
>>98354267What is coming from carcass front? Will my Kickstarter rulebook go up in value after its release?
>>98355077considering they've been avoiding the more monstrous units in plastic so far that'll probably be the grail subfaction, although saying that it's up in the air whos getting picked for Court
