Can't have breasts on a blue board!>What is Trench Crusade?An alternate weird history 28mm/32mm tabletop skirmish game. Based on the art and lore of Mike Franchina, whose illustrations you may have seen floating around on /tg/ for a several years now, and designed by Tuomas Pirinen, one of the original creators of Mordheim. It's grimdark, it's visceral, and it's very Blanchitsu.>What's the QRD on the background?The Knights Templar turned heretic and opened the Gates of Hell when they took Jerusalem during the First Crusade. Over 800 years later the war is still ongoing as technology has developed to a pseudo diesel-punk WW1 standard and a third of Humanity has sided with the Infernal Princes.>How do I get started?All the files are free online:https://www.trenchcrusade.com/rules/They used to be split between the website and the discord, but no more. For posterity's sake, the old mega will still be kept active even if it's unlikely to need updating: https://mega.nz/folder/70QH0BBa#Eg-blxYQKkY_C02wErnFTQ>third party sources for making trenchers:https://pastebin.com/YzXPVUAcUse these (and/or 3D printing) instead of the official plastics as their pricing contradicts the accessibility to the game (price wise) Trench Crusade was founded on.>Trench Companion, awesome warband builder and campaign trackerhttps://trench-companion.com/>Previous Thread: >>98223653>Thread QuestionDid Joan of Arc 2v2 the hegemon?
Ive seen Kickstarter rulebooks going on sale for like 200 usd on eBay.Is this gonna keep going up for a few more years or should I just put mine up for sale now and cash out the book regardless of whether it goes up or not?
>>98334138cash out and use the money towards a professional color print of the online rules every major update.
>>98334203Yeah do this. I'm keeping mine but if I were to cash out now is the time I think.
>>98334130>2v2No she ONE V ONE the hegemon. >FRENCH WOMAN SWEEEEEP
>>98334138you don't know if TC will die in few years
>>98334130Has anyone tried out the multiplayer rules yet? I figure it'll be funny for something like dragon hunt with 4 people all getting destroyed early campaign, but what's your takes?
What powers do you want in a Hebrew Knights faction? It can't just be golems.
>>98337262Your oponent pays you 60$ at the start of the game, if not, you win instantly. I'm not sure how to deal with jew vs jew matchup.
I finished a squad earlier this weekNow just to convince my wife/friends to make a warband
>>98334130So how exactly do you guys get models? At first I thought ya needed a 3D printer til I saw you can just buy them online.
sup niggasYa'll ready for your struggle session?
>>98337262>>98337319 >60 dollars for 8 minis meanwhile victrix and wargames Atlantic and perry get by selling way better value boxes just invalidates any downplays and excuses.>>98338666When did this general become a humorous “ironic supporting” grave for trench crusade?It is a little silly seeing how things have turned out to be contradictions. I don’t see how things will get better.Is trench crusade entering a phase where it is “supported” by a following like the morbius movie was “supported?”
>>98338421Kitbash anon.Get historicals set mini's, plus DnD monsters. Medieval and WW1.Add some jewelry chain, some religious iconography, and some milliput, and you're done.TC was better when you HAD to kitbash to get into it imo.>>98338666>Caring what a literal tranny youtuber in clown makeup says.Holy fuck my sides.
>>98338421My buddies have printers, you can get them online, and you can kitbash with other models entirely someone at adepticon rolled with sigmar ghosts models kitbashed with guns it was sick>>98338666You'd think such a foul specimen would find a more profitable grift, c'est las vie
Do I get it right that even with the Hell Gate open actual demons can't really physically manifest on Earth and Court forces can only do that because they are essentially some freaky half-breeds and mutilated weirdos rather than "pure-breed" demons? I recall reading something like that
>>98341757Correct. Fallen and Faithful both seem to believe that if a full, 100% demon touched Earth, God would consider that an escalation in the conflict that he would resolve by wiping out everything like Noah and the Deluge (but with fire this time).Angels probably show up as well, and they tend to end in nuke-level devastation in the surrounding area that spares no one, so God is trying not to take it that far. Hell wants to spite The Tyrant God YHWH by perverting his creation, so they don't want to just destroy the whole thing outright.
>>98337262Golems are a given. Jokes aside, some money related effects would make perfect sense given how the Jews did historically deal in banking and loaning a lot (although to be fair mostly long after the Gate got opened, so it might not be the case in this setting). But obviously they would get eaten alive for doing that, so not happening.Maybe some Kabbalah inspired spell mechanic as a sort of Faithful counterpart of Court's Goetic magic?As for general playstyle, given how they're called Hebrew *Knights* and will also have golems I imagine it's going to be a rather tanky, elite heavy, but not very numerous faction
>>98338699>Caring what a literally the target audience says. Yes?
>>98338699>tranny>not the target audience
>>98338666You are not taking away my position as the rent free king of the warhammers and the trench crusade colony.
Wow Sultanate Assassins are pricy to kit out.
>>98345875Best get praying for their rework to be good
>>98345331sperg vs tranny, the battle of all time.
>>98345875I just wanted one in my Vanilla IS warband...
TC fags already came to terms with getting scammed or still in denial?
>STOP POSTING YOUR COMPLAINTS ON THE KICKSTARTER PAGE IT MAKES US LOOK BAD!!!
>>98347432inb4 >Trench Crusade did nothing wrong>Its always the partners fault
>>98334319The rules are a bit clunky, but they are quite fair. Tested them in an IS v C7 v TG match, and everyone was getting their licks in. It was a fucking bloodbath. By turn 2, every warband had lost almost half their dudes.>>98337262Definitely Kabbalistic/Gnostic sorcery.Faction groups based on passages of the Talmud would be fucking peak. TC has been fairly good about exercising a understanding of the different religions at play; I'd love to hear what an actual Rabbi would have to say about the game, and I have no doubt they will get the advice of one to make sure it is on point.I imagine the HKs will be small forces of elite units similar to Court.
>>98347433You forgot the line where everyone calls the critics trolls or Arch fans. Hence why arch is the rent free king of trench crusade.
>>98348805Considering that the guy is the source of the shitposting before anything company related went south, why would the guy be ignored?40k faggots bitch about Ward to this fucking day, a decade and more later.
>>98348813I haven’t heard of Matt ward in a long time.Run into arch more so I think arch dethroned ward as the rent free king.Especially in the collective minds of trench crusade followers.I generally use this thread like a grave to laugh at myself for being invested in this project.And to laugh at how I had a superiority complex for blindly liking things that were not warhammer. Lessons learned. >>98347425Holy smokes if I was still in my phase I’d deny and downplay that hard. Deny by ignoring on a level like sticking my head in the sands and pretend it never happened and downplay saying it is third party’s fault.
>Probably most ranged combat focused faction in the game>Their primary gun of choice is some antique flintlock piece of crap while everyone else in the setting is already running repeating bolt-action rifles and beginning to introduce automatic weaponsThe Sultanate should really get its shit together, muh alchemical ammo can't possibly be worth having like 5 to 10 lower firing rate
>>98350117they can't use alchemical ammo on bolt-action
>>98348813>that the guy is the source>a drama happens due tranny discord mods>a deranged youtuber milk the shit out of the news>it's his faultdude, it's they other way around.
Is it just me, or does making a "trench crusade general" just seem delusional at this point?
I genuinely think this game would have done extremely well if they had just admitted the Faithful are the good guys and not tried this cringe "akshually everyone is bad" shit that invoked the ire of the actual real Lord God. They would have been blessed by the Holy Spirit and their endeavours would have aligned with good fortune, now everything is falling apart because the creators spit in God's face.
>>98350535On one hand, kinda yeah, on another, being one of the few people here who actually likes and plays this game sometimes I genuinely do want to ask a question about it and this is the only place I can kinda do that. Any other thread about it will be 90% flooded by obsessed haters, while in this one it's more like "just" 66%
>>98350535Probably not.The full potential has been lost but I can only see loads of fighting on /awg/ as trench crusaders deny and downplay that their project has been fumbled.>>98350560I wonder if you’re right about the last sentence. Are we all damned now?Either way I’ve been looking at forbidden psalm for my unholy world war setting if I remember forbidden psalm right.Xenos Rampant might work too.
>>98350583>Are we all damned now?No, that's silly. You can take part in playing the game if it's just an exercise in fictional fantasy wargaming to you with no malicious intent. But as for the creators, they clearly had some anti-Christian intentions. Even still their souls aren't permanently imperiled, they could be forgiven like for any other sin, but the fortunes of the game itself are surely cursed. And it's a shame because all that had to happen to avoid this was for the creators to not try to suggest that the Faithful people of God fighting a defensive existential war against demonic forces were somehow on the same level of morality as the literal Legions of torture-rape-cannibalism Hell monsters.
>>98350611They also shouldn’t have sided with inq28 when they went too far and crossfire banned many based on vibes during the chuddening that let Arch seize his throne as the rent free king.They shouldn’t have had their Prussians priced at worse value per box meanwhile perry and victrix and wga do so better.They shouldn’t have stalled for so long on the Kickstarter then poorly deliver on the printed goods.There’s far more but it is saddening. This general may really be a digital “grave” for us to visit and talk about this game. Others just choose to take a fat shit.
>>98350574Fair enough>>98350583I hadn't considered that
>>98350646Yeah I agree with all of this as well. The first line in the most important, because if they hadn't made enemies of all of those people then there would have been a lot more lenience and patience and good will with them when the logistical difficulties began.
>>98350583>>98350646>>98350694>>98350703Oh Noo! This isn't supposed to happen. I'm losing my power!
>>98338699Literally had a friend advise against trying out TC because some fucktard youtuber told that the game is "cringe". I told him to commit suicide as soon as possible. The game is great and if anyone here bases their own opinion on the sperg or the tranny please consider going outside and looking at a woman for a few seconds at a time.
>>98350560I'm hoping that some creative autist would take up the job of writing a new campaign in which a "Lord Girlyman" figure would appear and start to straighten out the religious so they look more like the good guys again instead of masochist psychos.
>>98352590Try saying this on the TC discord and see how far you get lolThe community you're running defence for absolutely hates people like you
>>98352590>cringeThe lore is quite cringe, bro.Aesthetics are cool, but the lore...
>>98352590I don't know how to break this too you man, but ALL tabletop/tcg/writing hobbies are cringe. Its sort of our thing.
>>98350499>fan discord that had nothing to do with devsThat part gets forgotten about; the primary reason everyone knows it's shitposting, and as usual, jannies let the shitposters ruin the thread.
>>98352603>instead of masochist psychos.>trench pilgrims are the entire setting
>>98353029Anon complaints were made about it and tc sided with the fan discord that was the de facto official place.Even when they went full retard and started being unprofessional.You did the denial and downplay.Doesn’t really matter because ffi did a lot of messed up things after. Should have known the first blunder was a sign of things to come.
>>98353041>anything resembling facts is 'denial and downplay'>TC devs not wanting a known culture warrior shitposter forcing their shitposts in the discord makes them wrong>spams the same forced memes like an autistMakes sense, actually. The real mentally broken insist on spamming their shitposts. It's like touhoufag all over again.
>>98353055Not a good look anon.You’d know what I’m referencing if you were there.
>>98353060Spamming random screencaps, culture war bullshit and forced memes because your autism won't allow you to act like a regular person and leave something you claim to not be interested in means... what, exactly?Why don't you just post cp and get it over with?
>>98353073It means you’re ignorant to the fumbling of tc. Wonder what it will take but I was there when privateer was stabbing warmahordes to death and lads still hung onto the sinking boat when waters were up to their mouths.I’ve taken the zealous blinders off and taken the L on tc and at this point it is just coming here in hopes that things have turned around. Anyways that last sentence isn’t a good look from how left field it is. You need an investigation.
>>98353029>nothing to do with the devs>except where they're friends and publically support every decision they make unconditionally
>>98353136They will keep lying even in their tombs.>>98353029Dude, I was in following the game in their other discord's server.Everybody was afraid to be banned and when new guys asked lore question about """dangerous""" topic everybody shut up and did not anwer.And the """dangerous""" topic where>what about the Aztechs>are the hell factions evil_>if the pope faction is directly in contact with god and the hell's gates prove its existence why do pagans exists? Why do not muslims convert?>The logistic of the nonsensical map, example: how the fuck can Ethiopians go to NA? How can hell's factions have manpower if they controls a tiny region?And all the obvious questions that everybody who read the lore for the first time may ask
>>98353200>more memes
>>98353228>guys like to talk about the lore IP they are enjoying even if there are some clear issues>they are memepeople like you killed TC before the retarded management
>>98353248>thinks spammed meme topics represents genuine interest
>>98353283>they are memeno they are taboos, that's the problem
>>98353283It is genuinely interesting seeing the foundations of trench crusade being floundered.It started small then just kept snowballing from there.It is even more fascinating seeing the defense programming in action which has been summarized as denial and downplaying above.If trench crusade doesn’t magically turn around is gonna be a case study in what not to do at this point in the tabletop industry.Now how to fix it, I don’t know.
>>98353291>meme topics that were spammed got banned and that is the actual problem>still insisting meme topics were srsbiznissSince you are a faggot, I'll recount for you:>people asking about aztecs (and none of the other peoples that lived in the americas) in a game that had nothing to do with the americas in any fashion other than acknowledging the continents exist, being focused on europe and the levant>nothing anywhere said that hell factions were not evil>there is no pope faction, retards could not read, and there has not been any communication with god, (american) idiots can't in to abrahamic religion>idiots and shitposters took a cartoony map of a setting that hadn't begun to flesh out it's regions as an absolute certainty and got mad about itHonestly, there are so many idiots and disingenuous fucks around this game that it belies chance. There are at least 2 or 3 different posters sitting around waiting to post troll comments, and DARVO like they will die if they don't when you call them out on it.I would vastly prefer everyone that posts about TC to get permab& on sight, and only see the game if I visit the discord.I only feel bad for compendium anon, who has put real love and work in to the game for the love of it.To him, I salute.
>>98353373>there are so many idiots and disingenuous fucks around this gamedon't talk like that about yourself, anon.Btw it looks like you never read anything of the lore...>a cartoony map of a setting that hadn't begunYour standard are very low. A what if scenario about real history and real geography needs authors with some competence.You can keep downplaying as you want, but if the setting is dumb... it is dumb. If you enjoy dumb stuff it's up to you.The cool thing about TC was its community, when there was almost nothing about the lore the community was crazily creative. Amazing kitbashing, incredible "fan" stories, dioramas, warbands backstory and so on.You are talking as it is difficult to have a decent worldbuilding, but the average user of /tg/ can do a lot better.As it is the worldbuilding SUCKS, justifying the stupidity of it is like justify any action of any character of Idiocracy for absurd reasons.It's LOW QUALITY.
>>98353426Then why are you here, talking about LOW QUALITY?Is this an actual bot?
>>98353436No it isn’t a bot.If it was it would say you missed the general or traditional games with a question mark or demanding models posted in warhammer threads.But those meme arrow greentext responses above looked bot coded to me.
>>98353436Half the fun of visiting these threads is seeing people like you get triggeredThe other half is to see how soon people will start making fun of Tuomas platform shoes
>buy WGA Germans to make into Heretic Troopers>they’re like half the size of the official modelsHeretic Legions child soldier brigade I guess??
>>98354023>Kids are cruel, Jack
>>98354039Imagine being a Prussian veteran trooper who’s fought demons, zombies and madmen for years and you get smoked by a satanic child with a hand-me-down carbine
>>98353326>Now how to fix it, I don’t know.Only total repentance before God and public disavowing of trannies.
2 weeks till carcass front ships, excited?
>>98354267Where are my STLs nigger?
>>98354267more like 2 years
>>98354267Yes. They need to release more plastics though. I want my dirge warband and I want it now.
>>98354267What is coming from carcass front? Will my Kickstarter rulebook go up in value after its release?
>>98355077considering they've been avoiding the more monstrous units in plastic so far that'll probably be the grail subfaction, although saying that it's up in the air whos getting picked for Court
It's a scam.
>>98355254Warbands for TP and HL, a bunch of campaign materials, and some small terrain objects
>>98359539I think they'll release rules v1.0.3 as well.
>>98359576I feel they'll hold off on those until the sultanate assassins come out because then they can bundle the new assassin rework in
>>98354148Why don't you disgusting christians stay in your safe spaces and let us normal people enjoy things?
>>98354267Somewhat. We were about to start a new campaign soon anyway, so maybe we'll give it a shot. Or maybe we'll cook up something of our own, haven't decided yet. But I'm definitely interested in checking it outAlso>Last campaign we had 6 players (including me)>One player is out of town for the next few months>One player is not interested this time>One player has too much work and life related shit right now to meet regularly>Looks like I'll actually have to recruit some new players, i.e. meet new peopleFUCK
>>98359576v1.0.3 is scheduled for next month based on a facebook post
>>98353200I do not understand how the creators lean into the liberal silencing and yet decide to create a game about religion. The defacto problematic topic at the table. Did they not expect people to wonder about muslims vs christians dynamic??
>>98354023I was considering going the Victrix mini kitbash route but then i got this exact concern. Are TC minis also in the "Warhammer" dramatic scale?
>>98361088The official 3d prints from the Kickstarter are the same size as 40k human models (Imperial guard, cultists and such). Pic related is a kitbash with GW parts (or GW compatible).
>>98361088The overall size is the same, but I'm pretty sure TC minis have more realistic proportions. So no
>>98352590Fuck you! You can't make me look at women!
>Wench crusade
>>98361076>et decide to create a game about religionIt's a mockery of Christianity.They are having a blast about it.
>>98362378>hooded headSauce on that please?
>>98350611>>98350560>We are actually arguing about actual smiting and damnationswhy are TC h8rs so weirdly obsessed they actually geniunely believe god is sending the TC devs to hell for making a bog standard grimderp setting
>>98371682Because they're mentally sick, permanently online trad wannabes who got so buttblasted that the devs opposed them hijacking their designated gaming space and turning it into a place for shitty deus vult larps and spewing /pol/ bullshit that they have built an entire narrative in their heads about TC being not only some ultimate fraud, but also an evil threat to the entire western culture and they have been on a hate crusade against it ever sinceIt really seems like TC have managed to lure out a subtype of online sperg capable of bitter, fanatical obsession on an entirely different level
>>98341831>Qlippot/Sitra Achra>Kabbala Masit (practical/lower magic)Mechanicus bipolarity in 40k sort of deal. IF they deep dive this sort of stuff and consult with the right people, there's no lack of intredasting mechanics and material to flesh out.
>>98348797>Definitely Kabbalistic/Gnostic sorcery.Reserve the gnostic/Manichean material for the Sultanate, and have Cathars & placeholders as the 5th column threat in Christendom.
>>98350117Steam/Diesel punk the alchemy, exotic physics, Tesla tech sort of aesthetic.
>>98350117Sultanate is technologically backwards. When heretics create submarines, christians are going to space, but sultanate is stuck doing alchemy. It works, but they're stuck using jezzails and airships, when others most likely have propulsion technology. I wouldn't be surprised if sultanate navy still used ships with sails.
>>98371787>needlessly anatagonise, slander and ban people because they don't share your retarded dogshit political opinions>Surprised when they fucking turn on youJew behaviour
>>98372256Youre not helping the schizoid obsessed weirdo accusation
>>98371787It's even funnier because they all got banned from the 28 discord which isn't even trench crusade, the trench crusade community was just using their discord temporarily.
>>98372256>They banned and persecuted us for our political beliefs! Okay and how did they know those beliefs in a gaming related space, huh?Because you were sperging about politics where they don't belong, that's why. TC people don't have some magic chud vision that allows them to detect right wingers.I swear it, you people are literally just like the trannies and other queer fags who screech about gatekeeping just because other at their local gaming store don't want to hear about their bullshit gender identities or deranged political takes. Same shit. Here's the secret: the vast majority of people in /tg/ spaces genuinely don't care about your beliefs. They just want to play a game with you, discuss nerd shit and have a good time, not listen about why Hitler was right and Europe is endangered because that latter shit does not belong in a gaming space and thus gets you rightly ostracised. Right wing or left wing crap, doesn't matter, fuck off with it, it's not a place for this. It's that simple. And if you're literally unable to shut up about politics, get off the Internet and seek help, because that shit is not healthy
>>98372707>hating woke bullshit makes you a right wingerThis is how retarded you are.
>>98372707This would be fine if it were evenly applied. We all know its not.
>>98359965What normal people are playing TC?
>>98373837Yup, sperging out about it makes you a retard. A thing common in all of political spectrum. Not exclusive to being right wing.
>>98373978Right, so if a game specific culture spergs out the other way its just as bad right? Pushing sexual identity as the key feature of a setting like what happened with 28Mag is just as fucked and retarded and should be banned right?
>>98369156>hooded headAnvil Industries: Hooded Cultist Heads with Gas masks.
>>98374004Show me that ever happening in relation to Trench Crusade specifically and if it did, I'd agree that it's not on topic and shouldn't be acceptable. If it was some other 28Mag related game or setting then I honestly don't give a fuck, but as a principle yes, I do think this would be out of place and shouldn't be tolerated. Unless such topics were directly relevant to the game or setting itself as intended by the devs, in which case it'd be on topic
>>98374004>so if a game specific culture spergs out the other way its just as bad right?Yeah. Has this happened? Note, removing troublemaking faggots is not sperging out.
>>98373900boo hoo hoo cry me a river, build a bridge and fucking get over it bitch ass nigga
>>98374064Nigger, its already been posted in this thread. >>98353136let alone the entire I28 zine being about how space marines are trans. Should they be banned from the discourse for having a political agenda?
>>98374064>>98374096>>98374107lol the brigade is real glad we can go through all the DAVRO steps this efficiently.
>>98374144that's really cool dude anyway how about you post some models
>>98374179>get called out on being hypocritical shitbag >post your models so I can dox you get killed
>>98374135Who else but you brings up l28 mag and trannies? They don't even run the discord for TC anymore. When did they come here derail discussion to talk about the chud problem?
>>98374195so you don't have models then
>>98369119Less mockery, more low heresies that are turned to 11.The same with Sultanate, although knowing it's harams requires you to have a basic knowledge of Islam's tenets.
>>98371838>Reserve the gnostic/Manichean material for the SultanateI could see that, especially if they folded in Kemetic mysticism.
>>98374135>we trust people in the industry we personally know to manage a discord server that we do not actually participate inI would like all the culture warriors out, and just let the grimdark WW1 setting go on as it is presented, not how idiots want to 'interpret' it.
>>98374806True. It sucks that discord was chosen as the primary place for this game, since any retarded sperg can join in and pollute the conversation.I literally don’t care about some retard’s interpretations, its literally soldiers of God vs people who use fetuses as belt adornments. The fluff is fun and the game is fun.
First game of TC ever. My sultanate vs my buddy’s pilgrims (we are both still working to paint our warbands).I like the system, its fast and snappy. I won the game but pilgrims definitely feel like a rough matchup as they were immune to a lot of sultanates little extra stuff.MVP was my one Azeb who held against a communicant and a pilgrim for 5 rounds in melee without any melee weapon.
>>98377186>The fluff is fun and the game is funCan't have FUN, remember anon? You need to be argumentative and contrarian at all times, because the REAL FUN is ruining someone else's fun!I wish this was just hyperbole, but people really work on that metric.>>98377294>my one Azeb who held against a communicant and a pilgrim for 5 rounds in melee without any melee weaponThat had everything to do with your opponent rolling like butt. That said, communicants are surprisingly... just not the game changers I had expected them to be. In a straight punch up, they can be shot off the board or lose to other elite melee units almost out of hand. I wish they had the speed to close the gap, distraction carnifex style, forcing opponents to dedicate resources to stopping it from rampaging in your backlines where it can do real fucking damage bullying ranged units.
>>98377400Oh yeah he was rolling five dice at one point and they were all ones and twos. It was hilarious.
>>98377294Very cool Anon! Also, I'm just learning terrain making right now and I like those sheds, will try to copy them. so thanks for a reference pic>MVP was my one Azeb who held against a communicant and a pilgrim for 5 rounds in melee without any melee weapon.Yeah, the system is nice and gets rid of lots of usual math and number tracking, but it does produce things like this quite a lot. Often models just refuse to die no matter what you throw at them, while sometimes units that should be tanky as hell just get quickly offed with a lucky shot
>>98377415He should have prayed harder.Next time, tell him 'Inshallah' which chuckling at him.What is your IS list? Interested in what people are taking post faq.
>>98377433Thanks! I used an Eric’s Hobby Workshop vid as the base for them, pretty easy to make. I think it was his gang hideout terrain video.
>>98377438Its a pretty standard all-arounder list, but ofc I didn’t realize that half the upgrades would be useless against pilgrims.## 99th Highsingers ## Faction: Iron SultanateRating: 700 Ducats | 0 GloryPatron: None## Elites ##Yüzbaşı Captain - 148DUpgrades & Choices: Janissary VeteranBattlekit: Halberd-Gun, Alchemical Ammunition, Combat Helmet, Reinforced ArmourJabirean Alchemist - 106DBattlekit: Sniper Rifle, Trench Knife, Standard Armour## Troops ##Azeb - 47DUpgrades & Choices: SkirmisherBattlekit: Jezzail, Alchemical Ammunition, Frag GrenadesAzeb - 40DUpgrades & Choices: SkirmisherBattlekit: Jezzail, Alchemical AmmunitionAzeb - 60DUpgrades & Choices: SkirmisherBattlekit: FlamethrowerSultanate Sapper - 87DBattlekit: Alaybozan, Alchemical Ammunition, Shovel, Standard Armour, Trench ShieldLion of Jabir - 80DUpgrades & Choices: Fierce and BraveBattlekit: Standard ArmourJanissary - 132DBattlekit: Siege Jezzail, Sword / Axe, Alchemical Ammunition, Reinforced Armour## Stash ##Stashed Ducats: 0Unspent Glory: 0 --- View online:https://trench-companion.com/warband/detail/322474Might try out the beta version, seems to have given them a few new toys.
>>98377488True, pretty standard lol.I would drop the R. armor from the jannisary for standard, and drop skirmisher. Azebs should be lean and mean, unless they are a honor guard for your captain they way they are for mine.I have yet to really find a place for sappers in a standard list, and I'd like to. They just cost a lot for their kit, and their price can skyrocket before you look twice.
>>98377294I once had a bereaved with a bolt action take out a Jannisary in one shot and then take down a lion in melee. Insane aura, should be allowed to promote bereaved.
>>98374179when did the post models desperation spread from the warhammers to other places on /tg/?A bit weird seeing it here as this is supposed to be better than warhammers in all including community behaviors.
>>98378845Nogames should be killed in all situations, you're not just a culture war obsessed schizo, right anon? You actually engage in the hobby you complain about instead of being an assmad tourist, right?
>>98378845fun fact the post models shit started when troons flooded the board during the nuSoB reveal. I said i was a diehard long term SoB fan and was asked to show models, to which i did lol amd it caused mass seethe
>>98378845Since when they had no arguments against people rightfully shitting on TC, obviously
>>98372256gatekeeping is good thoughever
>>98381872Thats not gatekeeping thats just being fucking retarded thoughever
>>98381900Although technically if you only let in retards, it makes perfect sense
>>98381905Actually you know what, Trench Crusade has a right to gatekeep like everyone else. Its good to have a game compete with Games Workshop for exclusively catering to retards
>>98381920In fact I'm starting to take a liking to Trench Crusade myself
>>98381925Non-retarded people are just butthurt they got expelled from our discord>time to get chromosome pilled
>>98381930I wonder when the Caracas front will be released cant wait to buy it
>>98381936Why is tuomas not wearing his ortopedic shoes? I thought he was one of us
Trench Companion guy here, been a while.For those who make models, we're looking for more images when the Procession and Naval Raiders stuff comes out in Carcass Front> https://trench-companion.com/blog/carcass-front-and-model-imagesAlso a maintenance note:> We will be switching over our database to a dedicated Trench-Crusade host account. During this time we will be putting the site into 'maintenance mode' and you will be unable to use it.> Currently we expect the period to start Wednesday 6AM UCT and should hopefully last only a few hours.This is partly preparation for a potential influx of people when Carcass Front drops - to avoid downtime and too much traffic slowing down load time.
>>98382132Thanks Companionanon
>>98378631Yeah, sappers are def in a weird place. I like them enough to include one, but they definitely aren’t cost efficient.Beta version of Alaybozan getting shotgun makes it a good bit better though.
Have they shown Carcass Front sprues yet? If the models are single pose, I don't know if there's any point in getting them.
>>98383460They each have an alt build. They’ve been slowly showing them over the weeks.
>>98383553>They’ve been slowly showing them over the weeks.I recall this being said how they were going to do it, and some anons pitching a fit that they didn't show all the models all at once.So weary.
Words cannot convey how much I hate the aesthetic shift to warhammer 40k looking armor. It's not fully there, but you can see the resemblance. For one it's uncreative, but I kinda care the least about that. It's mostly disdainful because warhammer 40k armor looks fucking ugly as shit. It also subtracts from the setting a little built as a third source of lameness. I mean even the HMI, the suped up armor guy from the (likely) most technologically advanced faction in the setting, looks far more gritty and down to earth in design compared to the straight up scifi looking shit in >>98383553It is what it is though but damn...
>>98383553Where?
>>98338666>Literal troonDon't care, fuck off >>98350535Our local 10 man switched to it as a main game, were building neat foam terrain n shit
>>98350560The faithful are only bad because they actually serve the antichrist, though.
>>98392608Who is that insetting?
>>98350560Was the "no good or bad guys in this setting" thing actually directly stated anywhere aside from some random social media post?Because while I agree such a statement would be fucking retarded here, from my perspective pretty much everything in the actual rulebooks and loreposts clearly paints a picture of Heretics being infinitely morally worse than Faithfull and even those of them who do seem to have any sort of ideology are clearly only motivated by fear, greed, resentment or lust for power. Meanwhile the Faithful factions are presented as kinda messed up and far-gone, but ultimately just trying to protect their lands from hordes of crazy murder-rape-pillaging enslavers and their horrible otherwordly masters. And even those messed up parts are largely reserved for elite fanatical sects and organisations while most of society is presumably fairly normal, at least to the extent that's possible in such a setting (meanwhile the Heretic society is clearly stated to be totally messed up Hell on Earth devoid of any morals).My point is that people keep bringing up this "no bad guys" thing and going mad over this, while to me it really seems like some dumbass thing one of the devs (or even their social media guys) said without thinking it through, while the actual setting and the way it is presented doesn't seem to support this idea at all It's still a mistake they should probably clear up, don't get me wrong
>>98347425The Kickstarter was fucking laughable.I worked with the company that did their manufacturing for it and I cannot even begin to tell you what a fucking cesspool circus of retarded pigs runs it.Literally the most brain dead idiots that have never even touched a miniature or a 3d printer in their life, but happened to come into a lot of money and decided to dump it into the hot new thing, being 3d printing models.The guy that owns the company even looks like a toe-sucking troglodyte, and that's before you hear him speak.FF were stupid as shit to go for it, despite all the obvious signs of it being an imminent fuck up.
>>98394814Iirc, it came up in a convention panel.The midwit take is that they were saying the setting is 'shades of grey'.The big brain take is acknowledging that the faithful factions would be considered heretics by the letter of their own faith due to the measures they take (communicants, takwin beasts, suicide pills, magic, altering the sacred for of Man).
>>98341800>so they don't want to just destroy the whole thing outright.Well Beelzebub, the Beast, and the Church of Metamorphosis do but they're all insane even by Hell faction standards.
>>98353373There are so many topics I just wish would get permabanned on sight these days because of how much shitposting surrounds them that I don't think there's anything that can even be properly discussed at this point.
>>98374195>immediately leaps to "you just want to dox me!" when asked to post something on-topicI sincerely hope you finally do something that motivates your family to put you down like the rabid dog you are.
I hope the poltards and all the spergs get gatekept eventually These threads have been insufferable, no wonder you faggots were thrown out of other communites
>>98395444>>98395549These anons get it.The assholes are the cattle who thought 4chan was the place to be a cunt for no reason.
>>98395114proof of that desu?
Carcass front has been delayed by a month and some change I’m so tired of delays bros… but if it means all models come out right and there’s no controversy again, I guess that’s cool
>>98395566the games community is going through growing pains i suppose. hopefully these fucking grifters will move on to shitting up other threads soon
>>98395836finally some models that won't fucking shatter when you look at themresin is nice and all but my fucking baboon hands weren't made for brittle shit
>>98395836I wonder when the kickstarter backers will get their Carcass Front stls. I guess around same time they release the full boxed set.
>>98395566Is there a decent place to actually talk about tc? discord is filled with leftist trannies and other subhuman niggers, /tg/ doesn't even fucking talk about it, plebbit is plebbit i ain't fucking touching it
GDC A massive supporter of TC just got cancelled for being antisemitic homophobic racists.
where are the jannies when you need them, the trannycord tourist shit is getting old
>>98395964>>98395998>last minute improvements are the improvements making everything plastic that won't be an STL release? I thought the /tcg/ complaining was an exaggeration but went and looked at the kickstarter comments section and its nuts. Huge amount of missing orders, delays, etc. Hadn't realized it was that bad.
>>98395579Proof of what? Look up the company, it's literally all online.
>>98396567so you can't back up shit then?>>98396561go doompost on plebbit kike
>>98396595>stop noticing things! There's a guy who had to get models shipped to him 6 times because of broken resin. I thought people here were just being hyperbolic. On one hand I feel bad for whoever is organizing this because it looks stressful as all hell but also it looks like they fucked up very badly in several ways.
>>98396613>>stop noticing things!insufferable and homosexual, you're not welcome fagtg went to shit...
>>98395836Honestly expected that, they've been awfuly quiet about it for something that was supposed to drop any day now I wish they'd at least drop the digital campaign book earlier, we're about to start a fresh and I'd really love to see what they came up withGuess we'll make one more campaign of our own before giving this one a go
>>98396341Sadly the best public place for discussing TC I've seen are fucking facebook groups Also I'm on my country's unofficial TC discord and it's pretty decent and drama free, but, well, non-English
>>98396621>you must wholeheartedly endorse product of you are why /tg/ has fallen lol okay
>>98396646Grim, I hate the modern internet so much it's unreal How did it come to this? Why can't we return to forums? It's all so tiresome
>>98396595Ah yes let me just post personal work details online. Are you retarded or just really good at pretending?
>>98396561>>98396595Except he's right and it is literally whats happening. They promised kickstarter backers would get all the Carcass front content digitally.https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1405364378/trench-crusade/posts/4239901Then in the latest update they say there wlll only get 4 mini STL files that are "compatible" Even when the scam is right in front of your fucking nose you continue to deny lol
>>98396633>But anon we can't release the digital campaign book before the minis release because people will make STL's based on our designs!>won't somebody think about the livelyhoods of the artists?
>>98395459>"You're paranoid about getting doxed">Immediately wishes death upon him Jeez I wonder why. Wouldn't be the first time rabid activists ruin someone's live over a different opinion
>>98395444>>98395566Trench Crusade community had their chance for reasonable discussion and all they did across all platforms was insult, downvote, slander and ban anyone who expresses any critical thought.Fuck you, you reap what you sow.You've become the lolcows of tabletop, better get used to it cause that is the defining characteristic of Trench Crusade.
>>98394127The Duke of New Antioch or the Pope
>>98395142>The big brain take is acknowledging that the faithful factions would be considered heretics by the letter of their own faith due to the measures they take (communicants, takwin beasts, suicide pills, magic, altering the sacred for of Man).this is the trutheven in universe there are groups who are opposed to the obvious perversions of the actual religions. the fact there are so many people who see this and go "oh so they just hate religion!" proves they don't actually have faith themselves, only that they larp it
>>98398389What about TC makes people seethe and lose their mind to this extent? This is pitiful
>>98395566Other sites honestly more toxic than /tg/ tell their /pol/fags and spergs to 'go back to 4chan', because clearly we're all 3l1t3 h4cker terrorist extremists from the dark web.Unfortunately, instead they find their way to /tg/, and now we can't talk about genuinely cool hobby shit without some zoomer fag from reddit, larping as a conservative, telling everyone that we're evil for playing a game because 'the devs are woke moralists'.>>98398546>Game got popular as 40k went SW.>Bunch of alt-right grifters marketed it as new based anti-establishment thing.>Discord flooded with /pol/fags who almost immediately got kicked for faggotry.>English larping sweede joins, commits /pol/faggotry and tries to muscle in on the money by saying "I can advertise for you, make you known names, I'm famous, you need me if you want to make money.">Gets kicked for high order faggotry and spends next two years constantly seetheposting, and making youtube videos to explain to others that actually TC is evil, and sell himself a narrative where he was totally in the right and not at fault for his actions.>Over time, eventually more alt-right people hear him talking about it and, because he's alt-right and telling them about established homosexuality and jewdom, they don't question his narrative, even when it takes years to find a criticism that sticks past a cursory glance.>That being the legal contracts around IP, which take willingness to read contract lore and a knowledge about it to realize there's once again, nothing to criticize.>GW, at some point, realizes that they've an opportunity to push down a growing rival to their market, having lost many of their big names to TC, and fund money to 40k youtubers and social media, to spread TC slander and control the narrative.TL:DR, alt-right polfags with more interest in being crusaders over being correct, backed up by money from soulless corporations using them to make money, ruin everything for everyone yet again.
>>98398445This.It's one of my favourite things in the setting tbqh. As much as it's skub, every faction that's remotely human, has a distinct theological identity about the world, right and wrong, and what's best in life. 'Heresy' is actually used correctly.This even comes down to differences between denominations on what's acceptable practices in war, or in prayer.They're not half-assed, there's body to them all, so they aren't just funny little guys being cartoon villains or antiheroes.
>>98398389>t. discord troon These bridgading cucks don't even try to hide their agenda at this.point eh
>>98398762>fund money to 40k youtubers and social media, to spread TC slander and control the narrative.lmao the fact someone would unironcially believe this is pure comedy gold.people just hate bad actors and scammers, TC devs are both. shouldn't be difficult to understand.
>>98396671Now you know why people take a shit on the TC community. Any reasonable observation about model quality or delivery is met with pure hostility. They're the most unreasonable and toxic fan community in existance even worse than 40k.
>>98396544The jannies are in on it. It's the only way it makes sense, especially since earlier on, the shitposts were actively deleted.That stopped happening maybe 3 months ago, and the shitposters are basically free to fuck up threads at will.
>>98398432How are they the Anti-Christ?What insetting lore supports that?
>>98399305Go back to your safespace reddit, dipshit
>>98399314>shitposts and off topic posts, both against the site rules since day 1 outside /b/, should be tolerated because I make the shitpostsRangeb& pls.
>>98399344>I dont want to read it so its shitpost and off-topicCry harder
>>98399307The Pit Locusts are from the Book of Revelation, where they only attack those who aren't on the side of God>9 Then the fifth angel sounded: And I saw a star fallen from heaven to the earth. To him was given the key to the bottomless pit. 2 And he opened the bottomless pit, and smoke arose out of the pit like the smoke of a great furnace. So the sun and the air were darkened because of the smoke of the pit. 3 Then out of the smoke locusts came upon the earth. And to them was given power, as the scorpions of the earth have power. 4 They were commanded not to harm the grass of the earth, or any green thing, or any tree, but only those men who do not have the seal of God on their foreheads. Trench Crusade is obviously based on the Book of Revelation overall, where the church is corrupted and the majority of people follow a belief that they are Christian, but are actually following the antichrist
>>98400172Neat theory, but anywhere the Pit Locust are everything else dies. Even the plants and the animals.
>>98399305>the jannies are in on itA bit weird seeing this said when it was a known fact before the first plastics dropped that jannies commonly deleted anti-trench crusade threads way back.That past part soured a lot if perception for trench crusade here because even honest criticism was deleted too. Some trench crusade fans knew this and “subtly” bragged about that fact.
>>98400172>where they only attack those who aren't on the side of GodPit Locusts attack my opponents' fuckass gunners who in their hubris didn't bring any melee weapons other than some gay little butter knife, just fucking kamikaze fly right into them from the opposite side of the battlefield and sting them in the ass my little edgy wing dude AWUUUUUUUUU
>>98400405>anti trench crusade threadsThought I typed posts. I meant anti-Trench crusade posts. My bad lmao.
>>98395836you think its got something to do with the starcraft delays? archon seems to be in a rough state
Haven't kept up with this game in a while. Did they ever get around to posting those two Black Grail variants they kept talking about making.I think one was called Red Hunger and the other had something to do with maggots? Pale something?
>>98402838The Great Hunger is a 3rd party variant from Creature Caster that came out awhile ago. They're a melee-oriented variant with some awful-looking (good) models. The rules should be on the website next to another third-party variant, The Red Brigade
>>98402176Pretty sure it's all because of Starcraft, the other boxes were unavailable or delayed as well. They bit off way more than they can chew
>>98400405>jannies commonly deleted anti-trench crusade posts way back.Because they were shitposts that would inevitably devolve in to personal attacks and /pol/ posting, perhaps?>braggedProof, please. I saw posts thanking the jannies for deleting obvious shitposts and trolls.Even then, this was before anyone began to claim legitimate grievances with anything, it was purely shitposts and doomposting.
>>98400172>interpretationsHow does this apply to both Judaism and Islam, insetting?
>>98403924>"legitimate grievances"Freudian slip. Atleast your subconscious knows that TC is a scam.
>>98403924>if it isn’t praise it is shitposts or trollsI’m not even sure if you’re being genuine or a troll larping as the kind of tc fan who brands everything that isn’t praise a troll or shitposter or arch or warhammer shill or more boogeymen.>proofsYeah back before the 4chan outage it was happening and a few threads were made talking about this.I think this one had the most reasonable “take” on the situation.https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94507783/#q94514725It didn’t come across as the denial/downplay tactics as it was more “lawyer minded” to me. But it didn’t make anything look better. Arguably worse.Chances are an inq28 mod got janny powers and started banning on vibes while tc fans closed their eyes and acted like this was a good thing when it was just damaging the perception of Trench crusade.It didn’t help that ffi wholly sided with them and ignored that the mods had a sperg out in what was essentially the defacto online forum that may as well have been official.
>>98403179Ah, so nothing official?That's a shame. I feel like the devs don't particularly like designing for the Grail. Compared to the other factions they're still considerably lacking in content.
How do you anons like to play your One off gamesI usually do 800d 6g
Why did Trench Crusade failed?
>>98408562They didn't make Artillery Witch the official mascot and push her aggressively, there isn't even a plastic model.
>>98408562Tuomas platform shoes werent high enough so people made fun of him and then he crashed out
>>98408562Go woke go broke
Niggers in this threads never post games lmao. Nice tabletop "game".
>>98409278>>98409278Yeah manThis game looks cool and the rules look way more fun than Warhammer, but does anyone actually play it?I just like playing games with my kids so we will have fun regardless of the gaming store situation, but it would suck to get some miniatures and then watch it shrivel up and die
>>98409432dont get those resin models near your kids bro
>>98409432Well if someone plays it usually depends on the store/local community, right? I've got some near where I live but only less than warhammer. More than any other non-warhammer game except probably Star Wars Legions though
>>98404804I gave up on the threads because some t-word was deleting on topic discussion. Related but theres some t-word lately abusing the ip range bans system every time they see a post they dont like anywhere on the site
>>98396515>they cancelled a major TC supporter for being a "white supremacist le nazi le fascist" >not even because the guy was one>but because another guy who entered his competition said he hates trannies and "tardian" leftistslmao you can't make this shit up TC community literally eating itself
>>98409432>>98411246I mean, I just play it with my nerdy friends. Small format means it's easy to introduce even to complete wargaming newbies.If they ever lose interest before I do, I'll probably go to my local LGS and propose making some sort of introductory TC event to recruit more folks. But as of now I don't have the need to do so
>>98412260>local lgsfuck
>>98398762>this guy actually exists outside reddit
>>98398762>all the anti-TC sentiment is astroturfed by corporations!>GW is paying ARCH to slander TCLmfaooo the level of delusion and paranoia on this freak
>>98413651Enjoy eating that ban, go back to whatever /leftypol/ shithole you're raiding from.
>mods are leftists banning rightist thought>mods are rightists banning leftist thoughtare mods just le gods who ban polshitting of all kinds? i kneel...
>>98415186Based if true
>>98417362>is WarmaHordes good for counts as?not really, some Menoth units (eg. Choir) might work for Antioch and Skorne warbeasts probably could be converted into Lions of Jabir but besides that it's very different aesthetics, TC revels in grit and grime, Warmahordes does more WoW-like bright fantasy
>>98407524Why do the serious posts actually discussing the game and such get no discussion but the bait/meme shitposts produce back and forth jibber jabber? It makes me unironically wonder if the people that actually play this game just post in another spot on the internet.
>>98408562Team made up of "veterans", but makes rookie mistakes when it comes to getting the quality product out in a timely manner while maintaining proper communication.
>>98407524I've run some of 700d demo games. Might toss in 1g for the next one just for some added flavor.
>>98417490Some of the Trollbloods units might work as nordic Heretic Legion troopers and Court yoke fiends as it is known that Hell's forces in the north take he shape of old nordic asatru creatures like trolls.
I need terrain inspiration. What are you guys making or using for your boards?the gaming club i play at mostly have old 40K terrain and some necromunda ruins so i figured i'll make some TC terrain but i have no idea where to even start.
>>98355077>>98338666vee crossboarder here, this is cool. proto bloodborne.
>>98420546They are veteran designers, but you are talking about logistics.>>98426228I have been using styrofoam, and it works out pretty damn well after I got a hot knife. Takes coloring well, holds models up. I find using historical guides are lovely for variety in terrain.
Show me your TC boards and terrain pieces. ATM I'm thinking about making a 3x3 board centered around destroyed chapel using pegasus hobbies sets.
>>98427274Not a terrain piece but something i would love to turn into a terrain piece some day.
>>98427274This could work pretty well for a TC board
>>98427274Easy trench blocks tutorial i made a while back
>>98427274A local guy has commissioned me to print a small table worth of these for him. I don't know the game so I'm asking yall. Should the board be two trenches with a stretch of No Man's Land in between, or a trench network for the whole board with the assumption that one side has already gotten into the other's trenches?Board will be 80cm x 100cm to start, the tiles are 20cm each and it's a 4x5
https://www.trenchcrusade.com/trench-wire/lore/writing-for-trench-crusade-as-a-cleric/New article. What did he mean by this?
>Christianity (or some weird Abrahamic amalgamation) is confirmed true >the catholic church is in direct communication with God>paladin require God's permission to exist, meaning God's opinion on Christendom's efforts is "yeah fuck em up lol">still a whole third of humanity sides with hell>most voluntarily Explain how this is possible without assuming the average heretic has a sub-30 IQ. Going full trench pilgrim just makes sense.
>>98428961>what did he meani genuinely have no idea how you could misunderstand this, hell is straight up evil, the faithful commit evils in the name of good to prevent a greater evil, what is there to not understand
>>98429606Edgy lunatics or people born in heretic lands who want to burn the world down and think, like the fallen angels once did, they can defy God because of their hubris.
>>98429908Sorry, that's not true. As everyone knows both Christians and Satanists are equally as bad in this grimdark world. You should inform yourself more before you post, chud. This is why your kind were banned from the Discord.
>>98429606>People in Fallen territories are likely under propaganda campaigns run by demons who have been alive longer than the Jerusalem hellgate has been open.>Communications and information dissemination are nowhere near the level of the current day. The most reliable way to send a message for the faithful is paper mail and maybe telegraph.>Peasants living in rural villages probably do not get said communications and all they know of their lives is squalor and whatever goes on in the hell pits that have replaced major cities.also>Magic can do some convincing bullshit
>>98429606Sinners engage in the seven deadly sins, one of which is lust so i imagine they have a high TFR>>98430127So true, heil arch he should have written the lore
>>98430287If it worked like that, the TFR wouldn't have crashed after the sexual revolution.
>>98429606Why are there people who support the russian government? Some people are just evil by nature.
>>98430127This doesn't work when you're literally referring to official posts made by official team members on their official website.
>>98428961>What did he mean...?That TC is satirical take on religion taken to its extremes and even a real life Cleric can see that. Evil people exists and that is shit, good people exists and that is good, somewhere it between lies the mass of ordinary people.
Getting back into TC after a few months, how does this 700 ducats list look? Lost the original list I was running, but I think it was something close to this. Probably going to do a trial game again, then run a small campaign with a friend. Going to be mainly facing New Antioch.The Akincilar of Lost Kandar (IS)>ElitesYüzbaşı Captain - Kizil Bey - 143D• Battlekit: Halberd-Gun, Alchemical Ammunition, Alchemist ArmourJabirean Alchemist - Orban Efendi - 125D• Battlekit: Machine Gun, Gas Mask, Standard Armour>TroopsJanissary - Yuri Kozyak - 128D• Battlekit: Siege Jezzail, Alchemical Ammunition, Reinforced ArmourLion of Jabir - Hızlı - 60DLion of Jabir - Çabuk - 60DAzeb - Ya'qub - 47D• Battlekit: Jezzail, Alchemical Ammunition, Gas Mask, Frag GrenadesAzeb - Murat - 47D• Battlekit: Jezzail, Alchemical Ammunition, Gas Mask, Frag GrenadesAzeb - Hakkan - 47D• Battlekit: Jezzail, Alchemical Ammunition, Gas Mask, Frag GrenadesAzeb - Aptal - 41D• Battlekit: Shotgun, Trench Knife, Combat Helmet
>>98433807There's some nice stuff for IS in Preview rules if you two want to use those: https://www.trenchcrusade.com/trench-wire/rules/iron-sultanate-rules-update/The Trench Wire Rules topic should provide the rest of what you need to know.>Alchemists do not have STRONG, they will not be able to take a Move and Shoot ACTION in the same Activation which is going to suck and limit your damage. Because of RELOAD the Alch will also get stuck out in the open exposed to return fire until their next activation. In general they can get by on just a Sniper Rifle for easy map coverage and BM application, but you do you.>Your Janissary has better armor than your Alch but is less likely to be shot at since he can move+shoot.>Every time your Azebs use their grenades, they do not use their jezzails and waste the money you spent on them and vice versa. In general Azebs can get away with just Jezzails AA so you can probably take the Frag Grenades off and put the money elsewhere. Azebs generally don't want to be in melee anyway so having ASSAULT weapons doesn't really do a ton for them.>I noticed you have a lot of Gas Masks. Since you're fighting New Antioch I should mention their faction armory does not include any GAS weapons. You can probably save quite a bit of money for other things by putting those ducats elsewhere.>You could use a Musical Instrument to help your warband move up/around the board. +1D to Dash is a +22% chance to Dash and not strand a model behind the rest of your warband.
>>98429606>ChristianityMuslims have gotten favor as well, in the form of the wall. We can assume Hebrew Knights get favors from God also. That alone gives you uncertainty what God wants. Not really the thing that pushes one into joining the legion, but it makes a man question stuff.Not to mention theistic satanists exist in our world too.
Lgs is getting into this. I wanna run a full squad of guys that are basically this guy. That's New Antioch right?
>>98435162I assume you mean that you want some close range gunners who can tank, if so you might also wanna try the prussians specifically, they are the closest thing new antioch has to a shooting subfaction
>>98435162>>98435534also i forgot to say but heretic naval raiders also might scratch that itch
>>98435162New Antioch is your "basic bitch regular soldiers fighting inhuman enemies" faction, but every faction aside from Grail and Court can run a bunch of armoured guys with shotguns and shields.
>>98429606>Christianity (or some weird Abrahamic amalgamation) is confirmed true>the catholic church is in direct communication with God>paladin require God's permission to exist, meaning God's opinion on Christendom's efforts is "yeah fuck em up lol"Pointing out that none of these are true, and therefore the premise is nonsensical.
>>98429908Shitposters are not here to understand, but to shitpost.>>98431665You mean Industrial Revolution. That is when birth rates began to drop, because children are not a benefit in an industrial society the way they are in an agricultural one.
Any news from gencon
Finally started a new campaign with the boys this week! We're 3 battles in, I can try posting some battle reports in the following days if anyone here is interested>Narrative background:Dantallion, a Great Duke of Hell, have recently learned about a Byzantine super-weapon, allegedly developed by the Empire as a last resort before its fall, but never finished. The Duke have ordered his servants to track it down, hoping to use its power to ascend to the position of Serpent Head of Envy. A large scale archeological dig in the ruins of the Byzantine town of Koloneia has begun, where some of the work on the weapon supposedly took place. The whole thing is kept secret, as Dantallion doesn't want any of his rivals to learn about the project. Some rumours however have unavoidably started to circulate and soon a number of rivaling warbands will cross the wastelands of Heretic-controlled Anatolia and face each other in the ruins of Byzantium in an attempt to track down information about the weapon and get to it first.
>>98445251Player factions:>Kingdom of Alba Assault DetachmentThanks to a combination of spies and reconnaissance aircraft, the Duke of New Antioch learned about the Heretic project in Koloneia and heard some rumours about its purpose. Deeply concerned, he stealthily air-dropped a task force behind enemy lines, especially trained to move undetected through hostile territory with a goal of either intercepting or destroying the super-weapon, if it even exists. A warband consisting of brave Scotsmen is a part of said task force.>Order of Midas (Knights of Avarice) Headquartered in Gordion, this Heretic warband dedicated to Mammon has been travelling through outskirts of Anatolia for quite some time now, looking for opportunities to pillage and plunder. The Order has recently heard about Dantallion's project from one of its informers and is hellbent on claiming the super-weapon and adding it to Mammon's vaults.>Al-Arib's Menagerie (House of Wisdom)As a research team specialising in zoology, especially in fauna mutated by Infernal influence, the Menagerie has significant experience in expeditions to Heretic controlled lands. Because of that it has been selected to be a part of a House of Wisdom task force, sent to hunt down Tugal Nadir - a rogue alchemist who, unknowingly to the Sultanate, is involved in Dantallion's research>Expedition 44 (War Pilgrimage of St. Methodius)Yet another pilgrimage sent in a suicidal attempt at reaching the holy city of Trebizond. After days of travelling through enemy territory, the bloodied Pilgrims are getting closer to their goal, unaware that they are about to march right into the middle of conflict between the other warbands.
>>98445256Whats the state on alba and methodius, got a game coming up with a friend and i cant decide if i should run pilgrims or antioch and i wanna try a subfaction
always a fan of the art for this game
So does anyone have any thoughts on what are the strongest factions either in a campaign or in a single game?I'm currently 5 games deep in a campaign playing heretic naval raiders with a 3-2 record.We got a sultanate assassins player whos 5-0 currently, otherwise we got a bunch of demons, papal states, basic heretics, wall variant sultanate and a great hunger grail variant.A few demons and the other heterics are doing poorly, but pretty much everyone is 3-2 now.Any thoughs on how the factions powerlevels are gonna progress late game?Cause it seems like naval raiders and assassins of alamut are sort of at the peak of their powerlevel right now and are gonna get progressively worse.Demons are starting to look scarier and so is the wall sultanare variant.Any thoughts on this?
>>98451667As the game currently stands, the two things that give a faction the biggest power spike are their access to good ranged weapon and extra boosts to their dash. Range, even on maps with lots of cover, is still king because it can deal just as much damage as melee but without needing to worry about getting hit back and suffering from debuffs like fear. Range and cover are your main debuffs, sure, but weapons like grenades can work around it.Consequently, I'd say the two that stand at the top right now are, in order, Naval Raiders and Prussians. Universal dashes with +1 and access to submachine guns do a LOT for Raiders. Prussians can buy an almost universal upgrade for their units to boost dashes and their grenades are extremely powerful while ignoring both range and cover.I'm frankly surprised that the Sultanate Assassin player has won that much considering they are one of the factions I think are weakest. They have no way to buff all the assassins with dashes, each assassin is very costly in and on itself, and they are a bit of a trap unit since they aren't actually that great in melee. They are affected by fear and don't have enough melee dice to be outstanding with dual wielding. They are very prone to losing against dedicated melee units, especially from Heretic factions.While I can't be too opinionated on factions that spike later since I haven't finished enough campaigns, one that I *do* notice is a big stand out is Black Grail. Once they can start swarming with their thralls it can become a big problem. They don't necessarily kill all of the enemy team, but they can tarpit like no one else and do objectives without problem on the hand of a skilled player.
>>98451428>Methodius2 Anchorite Shrines with unique upgrades are very strong, especially earlier in the campaign when most warbands probably don't yet have much anti-armour to reliably deal with them. They change the way you play in a significant and very fun way. Having increased access to decent firearms is also very nice. On the flipside, the variant loses much of the other unique and strong things that different Pilgrim warbands can take and probably lose their effectiveness somewhat in the lategame once they run out of strong stuff they can invest in and the Shrines stop being so formidable. Also, since Shrines are expensive, early in the campaign they tend to be outnumbered and can struggle with securing objectives somewhat. And obviously losing an Anchorite hurts your wallet like little else. Overall I think they're strong, but balanced.>AlbaPretty much just Antioch but more melee focused, not all that different, but work well for what they're intended to do. Lochaber Axes are great weapons and their morale bonus is neat, but the ban on reinforced armour means everyone except for your Lieutenant and MHIs is going to be really squishy unless you're willing to run them with 1handed weapons only and light armour+shieldFun variant to run I think if you just feel like charging into melee and beating the crap out of your opponent. >>98451667I feel like most variants that have unit restrictions tend to plateau sooner in the campaign since they hit the point in which they can't really invest in anything other than basic troops sooner and those usually simply aren't that good compared to elites and special units. In our campaigns so far Naval Riders did really well and Court was basically unstoppable. Other factions we tried seemed decently balanced, although I think Antioch has a much higher skill floor than others. But also, the element of randomness is very strong in Trench which makes personal experiences much less reliable.
>>98451792>good ranged and dash is kingI kinda agree. The +1 dash that naval raiders have is really useful. So is having a shit ton of veterans with submachines.But I think in terms of range things like artillery witches and antimaterial rifles are fantastic, submachines usually dont feel THAT useful to me. Certainly better than giving them a rifle or grenade, but i havent played a game where a smg would really prove to be amazing. To me it seems like basic heretics would probably be better late game due to having access to the warwolf and the extra witch mostly.>assassins seems pretty badI disagree, even before i tought that they looked kinda strong. True they dont have +1 dash on all of them but rhey have equally (or better) movement abilities on the 3 assassins. One guy has a fantastic bow, so he can teleport to anything he hits, one has +dash and 8inch move and the last can come from a board edge turn 2. Youd think theyre not that big of a issue, but it feels like they can be really annoying to go against since youre afraid of hitting them since they can teleport. And i also tought that theyd have issues with heretics as i bought fear on all my main melee guys. But turns out skills like Closequarters combat, surgical strike, strength of samson etc are still pretty good and make them very good in melee.>>98451854Yeah, i agree with the plateau take. At which point did demons start stomping? It seemed to me that the demons were kinda weak early game. But god i hate playing against them, fuck hellknights and hunters.
>>98452303The bow is indeed absolutely fantastic as are all the assassin abilities you mentioned. They are still kneecapped by the fact that assassins start off very money hungry for melee specialists that aren't particularly durable. Any decent opponent will make sure that anyone targeting an assassin has at least one extra die to hit, at which point it's a practically 90% that the attack lands. Nevermind if it's anything that gives them extra blood markers or even armor piercing. If an assassin goes down you may have very well lost the game. If they get a scar, then potentially the campaign. There is a reason there has been open talk in the newsposts about buffing them when their eventual box arrives.
>>98452340Yeah, i kinda understand that, and ageee.Though i will also say the person playing the assassins in our campaign is so goddamn lucky. Just one moment i should mention was his assassin leader doing the assassin charge into a anointed with a flamethrower and a chorister with 3 pts of armor. The leader had a assassin dagger and a sword in offhand, plus close quartes combat skill.Managed to kill anointed with dagger and then killed the chorister with the sword. Both of them had no blood markers on them. Though i guess the game do be like that.
>>98451463after decades of slophammer and other pulpy sci fi shit, it is quite nice
>>98452303>but i havent played a game where a smg would really prove to be amazingThe purpose of SMGs isn't beign good at killing enemies per se, but rather speeding up the blood marker accumulation significantly. 2 shots + assault means decent chances at giving your target 3 markers per turn, possibly more if they're down or you have special ammo, which means faster bloodbathing and more opportunities to screw up their crucial rolls. >At which point did demons start stomping? It seemed to me that the demons were kinda weak early game.Having played a full campaign and some one-off battles with them, the first 2 battles or so can be a bit akward - the Court needs some hefty investment in most elites to really bring out their true potential, but also needs enough bodies to claim objectives and supply itself with enough spell fuel, so with low ducat count you can kinda feel that the intended build isn't yet fully online, so to speak. Though it depends on the specific list somewhat obviously. But they still can do decently even in early game. After that though? My boys basically steamrolled everything. Pretor, Hunter and Saint are crazily strong with right equipment and some decent advancements. Locusts and Knights are very solid units as well. Pretty much every single situation in the campaign which ended up badly for me was very obviously a result of me making a really stupid decision and not really of the strength balance or even my opponents playing especially well. But I must admit that in some games I had unprobably lucky rolls, which is always an important factor to consider in this game.
>the thread dies just as we got some actual fucking discussion about the gameOh come on now
>>98460180ANY OF YOU FUCKERS MAKE ANY CUSTOM MODELS FOR YOUR WARBAND? I'M WORKING ON A CUSTOM COMMUNICANT, PIC RELATED. Also how do I not fucking die as Pilgrims vs Court/HL game 1, I mulch shit in melee but it takes quite long to reach my enemies and they can just shoot my shit from vantage points while I move up
>>98460302Only some very basic conversions. Your dude looks extremely fucking cool though, strong Bloodborne vibes.>how do I not fucking die as Pilgrims vs Court/HL game 1, I mulch shit in melee but it takes quite long to reach my enemies and they can just shoot my shit from vantage points while I move upNumber one thing to consider with this issue is your board. If the ranged side can dominate this much, your battlefield may not have enough terrain or cover or simply be too big. Deploying in a way that allows you to use your prophet's ability on a large group of models early on helps in getting to enemy quicker. Also musical instruments. Consider armour/shields for better survivability. Also, if your enemy tends to avoid charging forward and just shoots shit from a safe spot, it probably means he has a poor board control and in many (though not all) scenarios you can fairly easily win by just focusing on claiming objectives rather than killing his dudes. If you remember what sort of units and equipment the Heretics use I'll try to give some more specific advice.
>>98460180It's just one reddit tourist tranny seething and schizoing with himself for 100s of posts anyway/tg/ has been shit for awhile now, grim
>>98460302Just don't fight too much, there's literally no point to itdo the objectives and try to kill shit that prevents you from doing them
>>98464491This is why I don't really like what they did with the morale rules. I understand that losing the game because of a single dice roll feels bad, but at least it made ignoring the objectives and just going for the kill a viable alternative strategy, even if a bit of a gamble. Now there's totally no point in that, having to fail two morale checks in a row, usually with bonus dice from your leader, when most of scenarios last for 4 rounds is simply too unlikely to matter.
>>98451854You're approaching Alba from the wrong direction. Their main strength is that they can have access to a crazy amount of models with Strong. Up to 11 including Engineers with Satchels. So that's up to 11 models that can move & shoot with Heavy ranged weapons. So it weirdly makes them one of the more ranged focused NA sub-factions. Although they can still turn their hand to melee better than most of NA thanks to their other special rules.
>>98465731Oh, you're right, I didn't notice that rule.I mean, I never actually played Alba and we're only beginning the campaign with them in it, but this is indeed very nice
>trench crusade a decade before trench crusade was even a thingit's like the perfect visual representation
I'm starting to paint up my heretic legion warband, and I'm wondering if I should go for an alternate colour scheme of some kind, or just stick to the grey fatigues/rusty steel plate look of the studio scheme. Anyone seen any alternate paint jobs that look good?
>>98472006I painted mine with very dark green overalls, rusted bronze armour and other metals and verdigris colour capes, cloth and some other details. Looks surprisingly good in my opinion. I'm out of home for a few days now though, so no pics sadly
>>98472006Pretty much any early 1900s-1920s uniform colors will work for Heretic Legion. >Austro-Hungarian baby blue>French royal blue shirt and red pants>Brittish khaki>Italian moss green etc etc
>>98472006Mine are more desert-oriented.
>>98452340For the Assassins something that I would love is an "assessin in training" A "substitute" to the Jamissaries as non elites, but with good statsSo early game you habe 1 good kitted Assassin+ support And late game you can go with 3 hyper kiter Assassins or go with 5 supports with some decent equipment
>>98475546Oh yeah, absolutely, I feel like the variant basically begs for this kind of unit, both crunch- and fluff-wise
>>98473533I love that you just gave them a melta and a plasma gun, they look sick and twisted
>>98473533Oh those look sick, very cool work. >>98472006Finished my first three guys for test models - I wanted to give them some tarnished gilding on their armour to signify allegiance to Mammon. I'm probably going to go a little bit more extravagant on the Anointed.
>>98444508funnyroo
The first campaign begins september 7th, https://www.trenchcrusade.com/news/operation-leviathan/
>>98486282>Operation Leviathan will have real, permanent consequences for the storyline of Trench Crusade as a whole!What is it that compel these people to turn a setting into a narrative all the time.
>>98486583Metaplot sells ideas. Its an much more broad market than just models. We've cycled through enough of the indie game rules lite to rules medium 2010s into making recreating the 90 marketing.
>>98486282This looks like fun desu, I'll be liable to play faithful for it as a change of pace, anyone else intending to lattice?
>>98486583It drives grassroot engagement and makes folks want to play as their games have actual impact on the story.
Guys I would like to play a game, but I don't know where I should start.Should I tuck my penis?
>>98382132Buy an ad, fag.
>>98429606Anon, of you read the old testament Bible God is also manifesting trough miracles and such, yet people still do believe in diverent gods. If you think like JWS, 'Hell' is just live without God, goes perfectly well except you will not go to Heaven when you die. Maybe you go to the afterlife of your preferred religion or you respawn of that is the thing, but you will not go and live forever in Christian heaven.
>>98490245nta, fuck off
>98490245You can fuck right off and lurk more. CompanionAnon is one of the staples of these threads
Bump to safe dying thread of a dead game, with bait but still. Only one anon, with very questionable theology, makes a somewhat thread related reply. Two more shill defenders of Wich one is to coward to properly link. Yes TC must a flourishing game with a great community.
Painted up a trench bunker/mine entrance made from a cardboard package insert last night at the gaming club. Only got one pic of it but is has openings on each short end that will be endpoints for underground passages. I plan to map out each underground passage and have them as a separate mini-map off to the side so players can accurately move either above in the trenches or under ground in passageways.
>>98494768I only have one more of those inserts and one separate small mine exit piece so there won't a huge amount of passageways, probably just one T-shaped one and one V-shaped one to connect up the entrances. I might make a scenario for tunnel warfare, though that would probably just end in a massive melee murderball slugfest after 2-3 turns of chucking satchel charges and grenades if i make it too realistic.
>>98494768>>98494798>tunnel warfare That would make some some really cool narrative scenarios. >warband breaching through a counter-mine and rushing the defender before defenders can finish rigging the explosive stores to blow an important hilltop sky highYou could even refluff Dragon Hunt into hunting an underground beast hiding in abandoned mine tunnels
>>98494918I'm preparing a scenario taking place in underground cities of Anatolia right now! It will be pretty dungeon crawly
>>98494983>>98494918>>98494798>>98494768>zone mortalis: trench editionI like it!
Rulebook is coming soon apparently
