Was the Emperor better left off as a mysterious/mystical creature within the lore compared to today?
>>98345587Yes/thread
>>98345587Yes and the Horus Heresy, Primarchs, War in Heaven, etc.
>>98345587No. However the current portrayal is fucking dumb.
They made him a retard.>Emperor knew about all the risks the whole time>Marines were actually made by an intelligent black woman who defied the emperor regularly and never got punished>The emperor is actually a "perpetual" which means he can step off the chair and regenerate whenever he feels like>But he doesn't because ACHTUALLY he is the 5th chaos god>His duel with horus was actually a magic, metaphorical card gameJust retarded. Horus heresy is for actual subhuman mud people
>>98345635>>Marines were actually made by an intelligent black woman who defied the emperor regularly and never got punishedWhat's the name of this character?
>>98345639Erda
>>98345635I never understood how the horus heresy books became so popular. I know that black library is generally not super good and you gotta kind of roll with it being somewhat sloppy, but still:>here's this ~50+ book series >each detailing some incredibly minute part of this overarching story with a billion characters, of which you care about maybe 30 in total>half of them are awful, the others are bad to meh at best>all exploring and explaining in detail a semi-legendary foundation myth of the setting that was never meant to be exploredIdk it just takes away more than it adds. Like for example now you know everything you could possibly want to know about what the dark angels where up to, was it really worth abandoning the whole "what's up with the fallen?" thing they had going on?I'm not even a grog or anything, it just seems like a bad trade.
>>98345689Marine piggies would eat actual shit if it had pauldrons
>>98345670I just looked that character up, she's not even black, she's slightly tanned, and what, did you think the Emperor was also a geneticist who made the primaches on his own? Having someone else do that part of it makes sense.
>>98345754nta I just hate that she's named after an important character in wagner's ring so I can't look shit up without seeing warhammer warahammer warhammer, same problem with titus.
>>98345587The Emperor was never mysterious. From 1e (RT), he was already being depicted in an omniscient perspective showing exactly who he was and what he thought. See attached image for details.
>>98345635Sure, if you just lie about what's in the novels, you can make anything sound ridiculous.>>98345689>I never understood how the horus heresy books became so popular.Because the first 5 or so books were kino of the highest order. Then BL expanded what was supposed to only be a 10 book mini-series showing a single slice of the Heresy into 67 total novels because they sold like hotcakes. Along the way, quality went into the shitter aside from a handful of obvious standouts like Know No Fear, which is probably the single greatest HH novel of them all. Saturnine is also excellent (probably the only Siege of Terra book worth reading other than The End and the Death).
>>98345904ssshh anon, this is OP daily shitposting and samefagging about 40k and the HH while having no idea about he's talking about. You're going to make him upset :(
>>98345587The setting as a whole should be left alone. The more mainstream it goes the gayer and lamer and full of chicks it gets.
>>98345919The first 5 or so books were actually some of the worst written, but they were still interesting out of novelty and breaking ground.The series quality improved a bit over the years despite several duds. Some of the entries are unironically great, like the White Scars books. Saturnine is a bit overrated, and TEATD sucked ass.
>>98345956it's absolutely bonkers to me someone would like the worst books in the series (the middle, all the shitty cash-cow books shat out for easy paycheks) and hate the best ones (start and end). But I guess some people were just born retarded
>>98345964The early books are almost all weak. Full of plot holes, bad continuity and still tried to keep the style of the Visions of Heresy cheap melodrama.After that, it depends strongly on the author.The fact that you didn't mention the Scars books says it all, you have no idea, or you're a Dan Abnett shill.TEATD is a goddam disgrace: Self-indulgent, full of pacing killer filler, plot holes, breaks the lore in multiple places for worse, almost all characters speak with the same of character authorial voice, ends with a cowardly whimper the perpetuals storyline after having us endure it for a hundred books, and forced/badly executed scenes that do not make sense (Loken's end) or leave readers thinking about something else than they should because Abnett cannot helpt himself with his fucking references ("i forgive you")
>>98346006If GW had any spine, after the TEATD debacle they would have paid Abnett for it to the last penny, and never have commissioned him a book ever again.Remember kids, acording to TEATD, pic related never happened. Yes, you heard it right: the most famous art piece about that final battle is not canon according to Dan Abnett. Sanguinius wasn't lying on the floor. No, you see, he was crucified. Why? Because a blood angel mutant is also found crucified in Abnett's Bequin series, and turning the end of the HH into an ad for another book is more important.The Black Rage? Sanguinius was not angry during his battle with Horus and he even was willing to spare his life.The Crux Terminatus? All Imperial Fist terminators died on arrival. No one did anything.The Lone Guardsman? You though it was that dude from Saturnine? nah, let's do it again!And so on. It's an endless list of aggravating bullshit for any real lorefag.
>>98345689There is a certain kind of nerd that gets off on gaving setting elements explained to them regardless of quality.
yes because any possible portrayal would boil down to soap opera drama that we have today
>>98345621/thread indeed>>98345639Daiqueesha Space
>>98346006>The early books are almost all weak. Full of plot holes, no>bad continuitywrong and still tried to keep the style of the Visions of Heresy cheap melodrama.You mean they tried to honor the previous works set in the period? And that's supposed to be a bad thing? You're just proving you are more retarded with every post>The fact that you didn't mention the Scars books says it all, you have no idea, or you're a Dan Abnett shill.OH NO! I didn't mention one of the few good ones in the middle! How dare I?! I must be an Abnett shill, surely, even though Graham McNeill, James Swallow, and Ben Counter all wrote one of the first 5 novels that I like and I never mentioned Abnett, you did. Maybe because you have some kind of gay obsession with him. That said, this does explain some things about your faggot-ass opinion. You're a projecting Wraightfag who has only read Wraight's books. OF COURSE you only like your pet author and have no appreciation for the other good books in the series. Literal niggercattle brained author-tribalist bullshit, fuck off fagbitch.>TEATD is a goddam disgrace: plot holes, breaks the lore in multiple places for worse, It doesn't, actually, if you paid attention. It in fact undoes the plot holes introduced by other authors like ADB and McNeill earlier in the Siege, pushing the narrative back into the original Horus Heresy story. The one you can see for yourself in >>98345904>and forced/badly executed scenes that do not make sense (Loken's end)Loken's death is a perfect bitter note to end the series on. It also explains where daemons come from. Makes sense to me.>leave readers thinking about something else than they should because Abnett cannot helpt himself with his fucking references ("i forgive you")If you had read the Horus Heresy narrative prior to the novels you'd know the Emperor always forgave Horus and struggled to kill him because he could not hate his son. Again, see >>98345904
>>98346141>Dan Abnett a literal fag that hates himself for being born a male, and all his books are lame and gay
>>98345904Two years before TLATD, we had the Emperor walking about and speaking in a WD article.>humanity created Chaos.jpgBut they didn't.
>>98346141>Loken's death is a perfect bitter note to end the seriesYou're a shallow retard. The problem is not him dying as expected, but the bad execution. His moronic discussion with Abbadon. Erebus stabbing him in the back while wearing a power pack and so on. >you'd know the Emperor always forgave HorusSee, this is what i was talking about, retard.The Emperor is not talking to Horus. You don't get it because you didn't read the scene properly and you don't know it's a reference to another HH short story.That's the problem with fucking casuals like you. You read a couple books and a few obsolete stuff from RT out of context and you're delusional enough to believe your opinions have any value.Wrong.
>>98345621fpbp.They're always wrong to flesh things out too much, to go into too much detail. Only absolute cringe-soaked mongoloids like >>98345634 actually want to "know" from an omniscient narrator perspective what "the truth" is and even then they only *like* it if the newly established truth agrees with them. Better to leave as much as possible up to interpretation.Turning Warhammer into an ongoing narrative following a specific handful of Main Characters is the most homosexual thing I've ever seen, and I once attended an orgy where I was subjected to the sight of seven men fucking each other all at the same time in a circle. Our experience of the setting should be an ever-widening window, constantly spreading new partially defined Cool Shit in our path and leaving us to decide which bits we like and which we choose to flesh out. BL novels should be limited to purely self-contained tales that aren't permitted to have wider impacts on the IP.
>>98345587How did this topic affect your last 40k game night?
>>98345587I dunno ask /hhg/
>>98346223Someone at GW wants 40k to be Star Wars.
>>98345621fpbp everything else is just bad cope.>>98345754>did you think the Emperor was also a geneticist who made the primaches on his ownHe was established as the most accomplished biomancer imaginable, you fucking mongoloid.>>98345904I cannot imagine how retarded someone has to be to not understand the concept of unreliable narration. People like you truly belong on a cross.
>>98347718>I cannot imagine how retarded someone has to be to not understand the concept of unreliable narration. People like you truly belong on a cross.There is ZERO unreliable narration in that image, you don't know what that word means, you are everything wrong with this hobby today
>>98346192read my image dumbass, humanity is the primary and original source of Chaos. It is spelled out in detail for idiots like you
>>98347718>He was established as the most accomplished biomancer imaginable, you fucking mongoloid.He was never said to be the greatest biomancer ever, you retarded fake-ass grog. Just look at >>98346192He always had a science team doing the actual science for him. Since the EARLIEST incarnation of the setting, he simply handed scientists homework to do for him.
>>98348186If you actually bothered to read what you post, it says nothing of the sort. Khorne awakens, then wars rage. Then came Tzeentch and in his wake nations and politics grew. Following Nurgle, plagues swept across continents. Wars, politics and pestilence were not the cause of the dark gods rising, but the result.
>>98345621fpbp, drawing back the curtains of the Imperium's founding and the Horus Heresy, as well as getting in-depth with the 30k in general, was the biggest mistake the writers ever made. 40k lore will never recover from it.
>>98345587For sure.Emperor lost most of his cool factor after it turned out that he didn't actually invent any of the shit like space marines and was just an autistic goofy goober using magic to make himself look tall.
>>98345635The lore has gotten so far from what I remember of 2nd and 3rd editions
>>98345635>entirety of the Horus Heresy is because of a certified woman momentSometimes BL authors are dangerously based and red pilled.
>>98345621FPBP
>>98348287>Originally the warp was filled with the natural psychic forces of animals and plants, so that its energies flowed harmoniously and fluidly, creating a unifying force that moved psychically through all living creatures. >However, while the natural energy of the warp was harmonious, the souls of men were often troubled, obsessive, guilt ridden, or otherwise imperfect. These negative energies congregated together in the warp, drawn to each other by mutual attraction, until they formed troublesome spots of disharmony, rather like a canker on a living tree of a tumour in an animal. These disharmonious forces eventually became the Chaos Powers, psychic entities created from the fears, repressions and inadequacies of humans and other intelligent species.>Since the first primitive humans evolved the species had developed a special relationshipw tih the warp. >As human numbers increased and human civilization grew away from its natural roots the particular warp energies created by humans began to dominate the warp. Where the energies of nature were harmonious and benign, those of man were often disharmonious and dangerous. Power, ambition, greed, lust and a thousand other human feelings took root in the warp and began to grow. As the thoughts and emotions of men became stronger, the natural rhythms of the warp were disruptued and became less accessible to the shamans. In time these disharmonious forces were to grow into the Chaos Powers.You didn't read it, worm-brained dumbfuck.
>>98345587The Emperor always sucked.
>>98351189>So far we have talked about the Chaos Powers from a purely human point of view. However, they are not uniquely formed from human failings. The warp which flows through the entire galaxy touches upon many worlds and many races, its energies comes from all kinds of life no matter how alien or remote.>while the aggressive and unstable race of man must be largely blamed for the growth of disharmonious forces in the warp, they are not alone its causality.
>>98345587Obviously yes. The Horus Heresy novels were a tremendous fucking mistake.
>>98345587He was a way cooler character when you could fill in the blanks yourself. A lot of people talked about how well 40k left spaces for the players to fill in the gaps.
>>98351467>leaves out that this is the section about Slaanesh and specifically Slaaneshlol, lmao even. Dumbass really thought he could get away with cherrypicking AGAIN.
>>98352117>the text talking about the warp and Chaos Powers doesn't count because of reasons
>>98347718He was bleeding edge of biomancy and genetics during the Dark Age, but he was not the only one in his field at that level. Nor did he have complete understanding of every DAoT field.
Maybe? All I know is the version of him we got in the HH novels is a terrible human being and an idiot to boot.Seriously, the guy BARGAINED WITH THE RUINOUS POWERS. You just don’t fucking DO that if you have a lick of common sense!
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