Does anyone else really despise the discourse around metagaming? I mean, do we really have to put on this big performance where we pretend we don't know that trolls regenerate? Wouldn't adventurers in the tavern be sharing tips like using fire on trolls? Similarly, there's always that one guy wasting his perfect memory policing who knows what. Can't we just assume the PCs share non-secret information between scenes? Similarly, maybe it doesn't make sense to trust a new PC who joins up because there's a new player or an old PC died, but can we just get to the fucking game instead of hazing them? We're all busy adults here.
It depends entirely on the type of game and the setting.
>>98369914It depends entirely on the table and their preferences
>>98369914Game by game basis.
>>98369914It really depends on the players on your table and how aware are they of current games
>>98369914We really should start separating between "role playing games" that are just board games with more autism, and games where people actually want immersion.
>>98369914>Using the knowledge of basic genre's tropes >Using a plot relevant information obtained by a different PC when this PC had an opportunity to potentialy share it and zero reason not to These are perfectly fine >Using lore knowledge that most fans of the settings know, but most in-universe characters explicitly aren't aware of >Doing something based on information another PC obtained, but likely wouldn't share or had no opportunity to do that yet >Doing something that would make zero sense for your character in a given situation simply because you as a player want to cause a certain expected outcome Those are not Simple as
The anti-metagaming is way more annoying, where your fire-loving sorcerer encounters a Troll and is suddenly "uhhh... guess I'll use frostbolt!". If you're a GM who gets bothered by metagaiming, just reskin your monsters. For example use the medusa statblock and then grab a picture of a creature from a videogame (or something else key part is it's not in the TTRPG you're playing) and describe that instead.
>>98369914>I mean, do we really have to put on this big performanceRole-playing, you dumb faggot.
>>98370035Read a book if you want a bedtime story faggot
>>98371472Yeah, making decisions. Not performing. Dumb faggot.
>>98372120Play Skyrim if you want to spend all day jerking off to how strong your character is, double faggot.
>>98369914We especially hate it when you use words like "Discourse".Why use a five dollar word when a fifty cent one will suffice?The terminology seems to emanate from those looking to retire words like "Argument" or "Debate" because they sound "Too aggressive".It is a shibboleth.Also, hazing the new guy is traditional.It's a test of mettle, and a rite of passage.If he has a tardout under some mild pressure the group will reject him.Similarly, if the new guy finds the hazing too severe or distasteful to his sensibilities, he can leave, and consider it a prior warning.
>>98369914As much as 4e's bear lore was derided, I think having knowledge skills about different monsters is the way to goIt's like how in the Witcher world the old wives' tales are all wrong and nobody knows the first thing about how monsters really work, apart from Witchers
>>98372701I dislike your hypocritical nature.
>>98372771The difference is none of my words were inherently redundant the way "Discourse" is.And If you're gonna use a five dollar word at least break out some subject matter that warrants it.>Lets have "Discourse" about a playing pretend with our friendsCan we ever get over ourselves?
>>98372162Write a book about how your original character is so cool and immersive and mysteeious you dick sucking moron.
>>98372799NTA, and I don't disagree with your general attitudebut I think in this case you're overreactingor to put it in a way you like: calm your tits, sister
>>98372701We really are being purposefully dumbed down for nefarious reasons. Colleges are closing down all over the country. Many people don't even the attention span to watch TV shows anymore. I have an office job and we were told to keep our language at an 8th level in a meeting a couple months ago. People just assume you're speaking down to them and go on the attack if you use a word they don't know. It's not treated as an opportunity to learn something new and everyone's too much of a retard to use their pocket computer to Google the meaning.
>>98372701>"Discourse">five dollar wordJesus Christ
>>98373453Yeah, your writing is extremely embarrassing. Improve.
>>98373273No, he was right, sorry.
>>98372701Maybe try picking up a book once in a while, nigger.
>>98373273It's a ruse in part.They wish to denude you of your native "Framework" so they can supplant it with their own.Language is the tool with which you navigate the world.Leftoids have an intuitive understanding of this, but they mistakenly think language can be manipulated instrumentally in order to "bend" how people perceive reality; instead, they just invent new dialects that gradually become mutually unintelligible to most people.They know that, which is why they try to "get them young".Hence why the teachers unions are infested with Marxists.
>>98373273I think the problem is that we've been using kiddie gloves with the hoi polloi to avoid alienating them when the truth is they secretly want to be put in their place and told what to do. They're like toddlers acting up because they want to figure out where the boundaries are and be reassured that the adults are in control. Our easygoing approach backfired and now the government is full of people who think "Epic Fury" sounds like a cool name for a military operation and soccer moms who didn't go to college think they're smarter than doctors. The first step to regaining control is to openly ridicule the brainlets. Yes, we do think you're stupid if only know one language and never read books for fun. Yes, having college degrees does make us superior to people who don't.
>>98369914Tell you a secret? Noone thinks this or does this, its just retarded trolling and autismBesides, out of character knowlege isnt metagaming, its just gaming. Definitionally its knowlege and strategy that works AT the game level, not above
>>98369914Did you study biology in school?Prior to that, could you reliably identify bears, wolves, cats, birds, trees, and bushes?
>>98373602>the hoi polloi
>>98369914That's what knowledge skills are for.>Would my character know trolls regenerate but are weak to fire? >Maybe, roll History or Nature to see If they've ever heard or read that somewhere before.
>>98369914>Wouldn't adventurers in the tavern be sharing tips like using fire on trolls?The PCs should be the only adventurers in the tavern. If adventurers are common enough that they can be regularly advising each other, there's no need for the PCs in the world.
>>98369914I think we can all agree that a player who has no knowledge of a secret room where an enemy is being interrogated in runs across the map, finds the secret door and kills the target because the player can't wait one minutes without action is bullshit? Or when the GM sets up their town where everyone just so happens to be 5 levels higher then the players and if you try to do anything about being bullied around you get your shit kicked in by a hard counter build?
>>98373602>everyone around me is le dumb and are man children, I am the smart oneYou ever notice the people so sure of themselves tend to project the most?
>>98369914>this is what webcomics look like now Billions must perish. You're not even ready for a discourse on metagaming if you're still stuck on >everything is bog standard dnd with an adventurers guild and profession When you've overcome that try again.
>>98369914>Wouldn't adventurers in the tavern be sharing tips like using fire on trolls?How experienced are the adventurers? How well known are trolls' weaknesses? In general I'd say if it's pop-culture knowledge in reality it's not metagaming because in a world where these things are real would know them. The issue with metagaming often arises when playing a module and a player reads ahead the module to for example know what dream pies do for Curse of Strahd. Everyone knows stakes kill vampires, there's no reason for a random asshole to know the layout of Strahd's castle or about the mansion at the start that often kills players.
>do we really have to roleplay in the roleplaying game?What an utterly bizarre thing to ask.
>>98369914>discourse >metagamingI hate people using long words thinking it makes them look wise
>>98369914This is only a problem in d&d editions 3 through 5 and pathfinder. Stop playing gay build brawlers masquerading as adventure rpgs
>>98374149Who are you quoting?
>>98374053this is false btw
>>98369914This smells like a Motte and Bailey fallacy. It's easy to defend why the PCs should be allowed to metagame that trolls are susceptible to fire and acid, because trolls are not extraordinarily rare and there are tons of people who've fought them and could share that they are. It is much harder to defend why the PCs would know that a Glabrezu has TS. It becomes really dicey if you'd argue that because the metagaming surrounding Trolls are acceptable, then ALL metagaming should be acceptable.
>>98374437Tourist.
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Choosing not to use fire against a troll because it would be metagaming is metagaming.
>>98374458>friend
>>98374451Don't use the quotation character if you're not quoting someone. Do not argue against positions no one in the thread holds. I'm not asking.
>>98374458No. They cannot. > Indicates a quotation, and nothing else. You're wrong. Do not reply again.
>>98374470lol and why not?
>>98372799No, you're going for five dollar words just the same as him, and come off just as retarded.
>>98374470>>98374477>Im teh language policelol
>>98374469I was being polite. They're clearly retarded as seen >>98374477and one should try and be polite to the less fortunate.
>>98374164Imagining coming into a thread to declare that you're a stupid person. That's sad. You deserve better. You should probably read more.
>>98374748Yeah.
>>98374839Nope, I'm right.
People like OP actually exist, and are why you have stupid reverse creatures like wolfweres because they can't stop sucking cock and play according to the social contract.I blame the autism.
So how many rounds of metagaming do you have to spend not using fire before you're allowed to metagame and use fire?
>>98377264About 9.
>>98377264You could just make the fairly easy roll to recall information on different creatures, the way the game makes openly available to everyone.Can you faggots stop necrobumping the troll thread?
>>98369914That goblin looks very SAD. Why is the goblin SAD?
>>98377421No. I decide to use fire, so my character uses fire.
>>98377547That's just how they get sometimes.
If everyone at the table has the Monster Manual memorized, it's probably time to find a new game to try or create some custom monsters. If it's a plot-y game where the players keep secrets from each other, maybe that should be done by emails etc so the in-person sessions can focus on stuff the group is collaborating on. I'd just rather not be in the game to begin with if I have to sit around doing nothing while others are doing schemes my PC is oblivious to. Simple as.
>>98377751Not waxy or deformed enuff.
>>98372701>Similarly, if the new guy finds the hazing too severe or distasteful to his sensibilities, he can leave, and consider it a prior warning.I've done this, the walking away part. I'm too old to care about earning some rando's aproval. I'm also too old to test if someone will tolerate me being a piece of shit to them. Tolerating a hazing ritual to play a game is not a possitive indicator.
>>98378725it was a different time
Why would the players have common adventurer knowledge if they never speak with adventurers?If they try to get information then they have that information. Knowing that they have to research local monsters and get tips from others can be meta, they are doing it because they know it's a game, but it's completely valid. Just knowing because the player knows is cheating. Trolls can be useful for newfags to understand this isn't a videogame where they can just move from encounter to encounter and read a walkthrough online. They have to interact with the world to know about it, and in the process you can develop other stuff like rival parties, scammers, quest givers, and so on. If they just fight the GM is stuck being a computer processing data, they could just play munchkin at that point.
No. If the player knows, so does the character.
player skill > all, I win last post
>>98383520rocks fall you die
>>98369914>Wouldn't adventurers in the tavern be sharing tips like using fire on trolls?No because "adventurers" don't exist and them "sharing tips" "in the tavern" sounds a lot like adventuring guild bullshit which wouldn't happen.But yeah people would likely know that fire stops trolls regrowing. However there'd be plenty of tall tales that pissing on dead trolls stops them regenerating too so you wouldn't know for sure what's true.
Adventuring guilds exist and they function exactlt as they do in anime. Characters can physically see their own game statistics in the world.
The monster manual exists in the world and adventurers can read it to discover any monster's properties. Also, magic glasses exist which reveal the game statistics of anything you look at. There are also spells that produce the same effect.
>>98369914>do we really have to put on this big performance where we pretend we don't know that trolls regenerate?Roll for scania lore. You don't have the skill? Fuck you then.
>>98384291>Roll for scania loreI've only worked on the 13L but it would be cool to see the 9, straight 5's a weird to me and I've never seen one.
>>98384291nope I looked it up on the wiki
