Should WoD players be exiled from the TTRPG community?
Hot but also why would a blankbody waste vitae on mutts? People I get ghouling but do you -really- get anything out of ghouldogs?
>>98384628World of Darkness sucks now
>>98385113correct but only because of the newfound lack of knotting
>>98385174You joke but I’m pretty sure they removed the part where some werewolves just fuck actual normal wolves and can have kids with them
>>98384628What is this expression supposed to convey?
>>98384628Modern WoD shaved off all the edgier parts and ended up with nothing interesting left. Same goes for CthulhuTech 2.0, incidentally>>98385246a cry for help
>>98385256It’s not even that they shaved the edgy stuff off. It’s also that they made everyone boring. The werewolves especially are stale as fuck now. No kinfolk? Minimal distinction between tribes beyond ideals? What’s the point of the Black Furies if they aren’t all biker amazons and accept men now? Don’t even get me started on how the Get turned into mindless villains, even though the red talons got a free pass.
>>98384974They're a ghoul family, it's ghouls making ghouls. I bet those medieval knight vampires ghouled their steeds though.
>>98385256>Modern WoD shaved off all the edgier parts and ended up with nothing interesting left>interesting is "hey GM it's really important you know my character was fucking her dog this morning"
>>98385282>the Garou Nation? The laws? Heh…those limit player freedom
>>98384974>do you -really- get anything out of ghouldogs?Viccisitude-altered hellhounds combine the loyalty of a trained dog with whatever gruesome body mods you can think of. It's probably not for everyone, but far from useless for guarding, hunting, fighting etc.
>>98385282When you start chopping things out of your franchise because they might offend a soccer mom, who you now see as your intended audience, you've just committed brand suicide. The irony, of course, is that most soccer moms get off on edgy shit like dogfucking.
>>98385246maybe comfy but fidgety? dogs do that sometimes when they want to be around you but you're not holding em the way they want to rest>>98385277ghouls making ghouls like ghoulblood being fed to ghouls or like ghouls with a supply of vitae somewhere and doing stuff with it?>>98385288i want to ask if you can't just mindfuck a guy into being that loyal but then i guess why not skip the mindfucking if the end product is just as good if not better at the task.wonder how well the best hellhound stacks up against the best ghouls in any given department like combat or tracking. excluding supernatural 'umies, of course
>>98384974In NWoD, ghouled housepets were stronger than actual vampires.
>>98385282>>interesting is "hey GM it's really important you know my character was fucking her dog this morning"the cool thing about tabletop is that you get to explore tiny wierd niche things like a chick who fucks dogs
When my counterculture game sells out to the culture
>>98385339when "Fuck the Man" becomes "Suck off the Man"
>>98384628On the contrary this type of thing is what made old WoD great before the disgusting parasites ruined it for everyone.>>98385274Sorry chuddie. You didn't hear? Big corporations are actually good and werewolves were the bad guys for wanting to kill them.
>>98385282Have you EVER tried playing anything out of your dndogshit bubble?
>>98384628If WoD is a TTRPG, then no.
>>98384974Dogs are among the finest Non-Person Ghouls.
>>98384628Furries are gross
>>98385346>Fuck the manNo. That's a dog.
Remember that time half of Bangladesh got eaten by an antediluvian that was crazy yo Mr White
potentially interesting WoD thread turns into more moaning about how NuWoD is shit instead of talking about how good OldWoD was
>>98385320Every vampire won't have the skills or disciplines to get dog-like obedience from someone with human intelligence. And they still won't have a dog's sense of smell. There's also a lot of tradition. Hellhounds are traditional, for Tzimisce and Bratovitch at least.I don't think a lot of the old VtM setting works if you assume people are maximizing for utility at all times. But for guarding and hunting I genuinely think hellhounds are a good option.
>>98385390Even the original New World of Darkness is better than Nu-Old World of Darkness ngl, which is the desecration we have now
>>98385390OP wanted to talk about how awful OldWoD was, so he set the bar for negativity
>>98385390Ok. What parts of old WoD you want to talk about? I'm listening
>>98385419The Wyrm did nothing wrong
>>98385419Demon: the Fallen was pretty ass. Mummy was underrated. Changeling was highly underrated as 'man vs. society' in game form, but got retroactively ruined in 2nd edition and the 20th anniversary edition which turned a very unique game concept into a much more generic "fairies vs. evil fairies" supernatural showdown. Vampire was honestly the only game White Wolf should have focused on though, it was always their best work and the most popular for a reason.
>>98385419the dogfuckingoWoD got up to a lot of kinky stuff its amazing how much of it they managed to cram into those booksmakes sense it was the only game with a decent female playerbase
>>98385447DtF wasn’t THAT bad, although I admit the NwoD equivalent making everyone divine computer programs was more original
>>98385462DtF is bad mainly because it wanted to have super deep metaphysical lore about the OWoD setting but also refused to actually be anything but vague suggestions about the whole thing. The entire narrative as presented in the core rulebook is massive unreliable narrator crap, and since it's all told as an in-universe story it makes trudging through the cosmology and history of the Demons a huge pain in the ass. There has to be some sort of universal constants in the lore for players and the GM to latch onto, THEN you introduce the super deep meta mysteries that may or may not be the main plot hooks for the game line
>>98385455The kinky and horror parts of oWoD was the entire reason why it had a fanbase in the first place and why it got big. Not just the girls, but if you're a man and don't want to be constantly tied up with the manchild game that was DnD at the time you had it perfectly with WoD. Many people flock from dnd because they started censor the shit out of it and even got demons and devils removed at one point, it increased their numbers by a long margin.
>>98385462It needed 4 books to play, and the mechanics weren't well edited or thought out.
Have some of you fuckers tried making your own setting after getting tired of corposhit? right now I'm trying but can't find an alternative term for the word clan
>>98385430Wyrm just wants to stop being foreverially delitized and hating it.
>>98385564Making TTRPGs and settings for them isn't easy. But yes, there have been attempts. Nothing fruitful on my end.
>>98385564You don't have to find alternative terms for something you're not going to publish.If you must, I suggest either learning English or getting a thesaurus (which will help you learn English).Terminology only matters when establishing a consistent structure; you could call them "genomes" and that wouldn't change the functions you assign them.
>>98385564Clade.
>>98385379Gotta fuck the Dog to fuck the Man
>>98385564Family, lineage, vein, stream, etc...
>>98385564Why not just play older editions and ignore the new stuff?
>>98385346it was always consumer-grade rebellion
>>98385687because need to buy new producthow can we have a community if we cant buy new product? we need new product to cater to us so we can buy
>>98384628>LE TTRPG COMMUNITY!The only community that matters is your own table. You have zero control and will always have zero control of what other people do at their own tables.
>>98385687you want to forever live in the past like some demented old man? I want to create new stuff and for other people to enjoy it. Because yes I'm going to made this public and not just jerk off in my room to it
>>98385564Of course they haven't, they're all a bunch of nogames faggots. There's also the fact a bunch of these retards drank the culture war kool-aid and are mindless slaves to the pedo elite who started the whole sham because they can't accept that the ideology they've been blindly following for the past decade or so is a lie. They don't have a creative bone in their body, and would rather suck corpo dick than create something new to spite corporations.
>>98385881>likes OWoD before it sold out to corpos>hates Nu-OWoD after selling out to corpos>this makes /tg/ corposgenius logic
>>98385895yesypu people want to BUY a new game instead of MAKE a new gameyou are upset that CORPS failed to make a game you want to BUY because you wanted a new producr mady for tou by corpos
Yes. Mage players should all be lined up and shot. Vampire players can stay, they're cool.
>>98385900no, it means we don't want to buy shitty corpo products and only enjoyed WoD back when White Wolf was a plucky indie studio of passionate creators with a vision. You've got your whole shit backwards retard
>Should people be exiled from the greater community for weird sex shit?The answer is always no, just like OP is always a faggot. Just because you don't want it at your table doesn't mean they can't find a table of their own.
>>98385954That's the issue. They can't and if they play games with people who think like them they never get anywhere and the game dies. These animals just infest other games and make life hard on all of us.
why is there a sudden uptick in wod related threads
>>98386178Nobody gives a fuck about your opinion, retarded puritanoid.
>>98386224>puritanoidIt's really funny to me that the mass public for some reason blames the Puritans for anti-sexual sentiments, when in reality it was the Quakers who heavily cracked down on open displays of sexuality and lobbied hard to remove and ban it in radio and early TV broadcasting. And people also for some reason think the Quakers were the 'nice and friendly' religious cult of colonial New England.
>>98386199Hunter the parenting.
>>98384628Can we blame this one on Phil Brucato? She's got ripped-up jeans and no shoes, that's his type, right?
>>98386247Cancer the Sickening, you mean
>>98385932>creators with ADHDFTFY.
>>98386247I watched the beginning arc up until Pyotr died. Is the whole thing just lunatic Hunters inexplicably surviving?
>>98385362If that's your response to someone criticizing literal dogfucking, you should probably kill yourself.
>>98385455>the dogfuckingThe kind described in OP, or the kind that the Garou got up to on the regular and considered the more spiritually and morally pure form of fucking?
>>98385538You would be describing a lot of WW/OPP games there anon.
>>98386242>And people also for some reason think the Quakers were the 'nice and friendly' religious cult of colonial New England.It's all the oatmeal commercials.
>>98386406But you're not criticizing literal dogfucking OP, you're criticizing people who play WoD because OWoD had a character who was notably treated as a degenerate in the book that introduced her, not a role model but a pitiful, wretched Ghoul who is so desperate for warmth and affection in her inbred community that she seeks it in animals. At no point does WoD endorse bestiality as something to be admired, it's treated as disgusting and foul, and the character herself is treated like she belongs in a psych ward receiving professional help. Except that she's a Ghoul so obviously that can't really happen.You didn't start this thread to critique dogfucking, you started this thread to pick a fight with a perceived subculture of sinful degeneracy surrounding World of Darkness, when in reality 99% of players have most likely never even seen the Revolting Revenant page before in their lives. In other words, you might as well call every DnD 5e player a furry because the game has dragonborn as a playable race and Tieflings are furry adjacent with the horns, fur, and hooves.
>>98384974Pre-V5 animal ghouls could learn physical disciplines and got a free dot of Potence. A pack of ghouled rottweilers was cheap and nothing to sneeze at, especially if the vamp had Animalism and could make them use actual smart non-instinctual tactics.
>>98386406>kill yourselfdoes your preacher know you go around committing sin, retarded puritanoid? or you just go around being a moral busybody because you got groomed politically on twitter
>>98386449I'm not OP you schizo.
>>98386565You clearly seem to agree with OP, so it doesn't really matter who you are, just that you're a retard who picked a bit of ragebait and is now disingenuously trying to equate liking OWoD to liking dogfucking.
>>98386590>you clearly seem to agree with OPNo, I agree with that commenter to the degree that if you're talking about fucking dogs at the table, casually, in character, you should probably fuck off.
>>98386593>No I don't agree with OP... but yeah I do agree with OPYou're a dumbass.
>is a /pol/tardof course
>>98384628S>should WoD players be exiled from the TTRPG consensus
>>98384628Show the other one, I'm sure there was another
Works fine as an edgy joke NPC but I do have to wonder who exactly would want to play through a whole campaign like that?
>>98386632What, her character sheet? She's a ghoul from the Bratoviches, she's got a few Disciplines at one dot
>>98386649No one unless it's a fetish game. Most of the time you just fade to black and no one at a table is doing that with a literal dog unless some bottom is also sucking them off at the same time. It's an edgy joke NPC. Don't think too hard on it.>>98386224You'll have it anyways. I an your opinion rapist and I have actively violated you. Anyways, it's the truth. Mage player base is incredibly toxic and should be banned, players of other splats are all pretty chill. No one has ever made a song called "Fuck the Mummies" for example.
heyso basicallyi don't like warhammer 40k(the western animation soft seinen text to speech series)I know.... UGH I know....I'm sorry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm just never going to watch it that's all
>>98384628>WoD players Does this refer to people that liked Warlords of Draenor? I mean the trailer is top notch, but that's about it.
>>98386785>everyone who doesn't enjoy jewslop like me is [this]! boring.
>>98386618>>98386785>/pol/ outta nowhere>internet tough guy bullshitCould you BE any more of a faggot?
>>98385932Then stop being a whiny little faggot of a woman and make your own spiritual successor to run and play with your friends.
>>98385320I think the stable ghoul families end up producing a small amount of vitae themselves. But some lorehead feel free to correct me, I don't really remember.
>>98385346>when fuck the dog becomes suck off the dog
>>98386199Do you know that in the ancient times people just used to make threads about whatever whenever they wanted?
>>98385339Another W for The Man's very long list of Ws
>>98385447>Demon: the Fallen was pretty ass.Incorrect, but that's to be expected from someone unfamiliar with the core concepts.
>>98385564Yes!
>>98385900There's nothing wrong with corporations, you mental midget, they are just a system for people to pool their resources and make goods and services more widely available.
>>98387726>they are just a system for people to pool their resources and make goods and services more widely available.Now if only they did that instead of monopolizing sectors and attracting the absolute worst kind of freaks in th-wait are we talking about World of Darkness or real life?
>>98384628WoD players were viewed as freak shit edgelords since damn near it's creation.
Changeling: the Dreaming is the edgiest one of all.
>>98387740Is it edgier than Wraith?
>>98387746Surprisingly, yes.
>>98387740The only acceptable WoD game is Hunter the Reckoning. Explicitly LARPing it as an excuse to just kick in doors and kill clamato drinking, clove cigarette smoking, fake fang wearing dipshits.
>>98387755The Vigil is better.
>>98387755>getting rid of masquerade violators so the kine remain cattlethank you for your service, mortal
>>98384974It can be a practical way to overflow spare blood if you know you're feeding on a human later. They also get a lot of weird perks through animism, and if you happen to have a large flock you'll have the blood to spare. What else are you going to do with it?
>>98386331There are some side eps about bestboy, some flashbacks and lore dump character spotlights, and then an intrigue plot that is now a boss battle plot. Also the worm is there
>>98386331Kevin occasionally gets screentime.
>>98386247is this actually good or Critical Role tier slop?
>>98387849It's the Emperor TTS people but World of Darkness
>>98387849it isn't a liveplay, it's an animated with audiologs. It has it's ups and downs. Personally love HtP but couldn't get myself to watch more than 10 episodes of Critical Role.
>>98387824What's the maintenance cost on ghoul'd animals?
>>983879121 blood point a month plus food and shelter for regular animals of their species and size
>>98385339>>98385346To be fair the inevitability of The Man's victory is a pretty significant theme in Werewolf in particular.
oWoD sample characters ran the gamut.
>>98388026It says a lot that the clan for mentally ill ideologues eventually became a self-insert for social justice warriors.
>>98388036Does it? Nobody aside from SJWs ever in the history of tabletop has written some members of their team as le ebin moral crusaders?Do wish newnuWoD was a little wider politically, at least to keep the satire interesting.
>>98388072>Nobody aside from SJWs ever in the history of tabletop has written some members of their team as le ebin moral crusaders?I think you're downplaying how hard Brujah have been flanderized.
>>98388088No, brujah have been thoroughly fucked with the caricature cock. I just don't think they're unique for having been fucked, in any cardinal sense
>>98388121Fair.
>>98385246You just know.
>>98384628Depends on which WoD the players in question are playing.>>98385113That page is probably older than you are.
>>98385256>>98385274What the fuck are you talking about? The setting of gWoD is a completely different setting from oWoD, with things that just happen to have the same names sometimes. It's like thinking nWoD is the same setting as oWoD just because it's got "Ventrue" and "Toreador" in it.
>>98384628you just know
>>98385246It should be noted that ghouled animals are essentially vampire familiars, with heightened abilities and intelligence.That dog knows exactly what he's doing.
>>98388400But thats a revenant's pet. Revenants cant ghoul people/animals
>>98388036They always were the SJW clan, people forget the anarchs were the original mcs.
>>98388072Do you want to try to make that post again, except lets assume you have a primary school education and with 90% buzzword salad. Please attempt full sentences. >>98388121I mean only in Paracuck's gWoD. They can't really touch oWoD regardless of how much they want to. The only disturbing thing is how many conflate the two and insist that they're the same.>>98386449>not a role model but a pitiful, wretched Ghoul who is so desperate for warmth and affection in her inbred community that she seeks it in animalsThe reality of this is further compounded when you actually read the sheet of the character, and understand the implications.>Nature: Child.>Demeanor: Deviant.It is honestly quite sad, and it is not presented as something good. It is meant to be as fucked up as it is, and the fact that someone was even allowed to write this and have it published without having it measurably sanitized speaks to the strengths of oWoD as it was.
>>98387755>HtRGet this shizo faggot out of here. Real hunters don't need a superpower handouts, just faith in the one true God.
>>98388487The revenant is part of an estate, anon. It's not her pet. Read the character outline.
>>98387755>The only acceptable WoD game is Hunter the ReckoningAnd by WoD you mean oWoD, because in gWoD they made Hunters lame too. Paradox remain committed to pissing away cool concepts and ideas in favor of sanitized corposlop that is inoffensive to everyone but ultimately truly appeals to no-one.
>>98384628Can someone give me a QRD of the game this comes from? It's got weird shit but also the undead or something?Also give me a second QRD on whatever you want. I'm not crazy busy today. Thanks.
>>98388506None of that is true.
>>98388619Vampire: The Masquerade.The original setting (oWoD, old World of Darkness), centered primarily around Second Edition, Revised, and 20th Anniversary (V2, VR, and V20 respectively). The first edition of VtM was little more than a short-lived proof-of-concept in the grand scheme of things, and the 5th Edition (V5) takes place in a completely different setting, gWoD (gay World of Darkness), which it shares with some other abortions that share the name of classic oWoD games.There's also a third setting, nWoD, the "new World of Darkness" that is now called Chronicles of Darkness (CofD), but its games do not pretend to be related to the older games, and have different names, such as Vampire: The Requiem.That's all you're getting from me, you can find your own loredumps. There's a World of Darkness general with troves in the OP if you're interested. The page from the OP of this thread comes from the book "Ghouls: Fatal Addiction", which concerns the nature of Ghouls/Revenants - blood-bound servants/slaves of Vamipires. Revenants are from human bloodlines that have been consistently ghouled for so long that they know no other life and are born as ghouls.
>>98388506>anarchs were the original mcs.More like they were the retard rabble the players were intended to cut their teeth on before moving on to the Sabbat.
>>98388601>family estate, as in bratovich>not clan estate>no domitor listedThe dog isnt a ghoul. Learn your terms
>>98384628It’s called edge and games used to have it. The edges could be sharp sometimes but it’s in the edges where you really get a game’s flavor. Without the edge every game tastes like chicken. Sure you could sprinkle your own edge on the chicken like most people do, but when you try some all-natural edge it’s oooooh baby, you remember the flavor.
>>98385881>muh p-p-pedo elite created the culture warDo you really think some pervert orchestrated RaceFail '09 because he wanted to distract the masses from realizing the One True Light of Marxism, or because women suffer from an inherent neuroticism that becomes pathological in the presence of digital social networks? Nobody who was around for the advent of this shit is ever going to buy your cope.
>>98388840Dafuq is racefail 09?
>>98386532Retard~Retard~Dogfucker anyone who shames him is a ultrahardcore reliigous fag~Retard~Retard~
>>98388953Gamergate for women. It just happened 5 years earlier, and women folded in 2 weeks rather than fighting a decade-long guerilla war.
>>98388679No, Vampire the Masquerade in its earliest days was literally built around playing Anarchs and rebelling against the tyranny of the elders. The Camarilla only became the default after Chicago was such a massive hit that every Camarilla city thereafter used it as a blueprint. Pretending otherwise is just historical revisionism in order to try and score culture war points.
im sensing lotta of leech dicksucking and seethe in this thread
>>98384628That's super tame compared to some of the stuff in wod. I forget what book it was from but there was this one child vampire who was sired by an 'infamous tzimesce pedophile' and kept as you know what for like a hundred years.
>>98389360So V5 is about RETVRNing?
>>98389360Are you talking like 1st edition early? I remember camarilla already being the default when I got my first book, it was probably the second edition already.
>>98388377>i-it's a totally different setting!1!!!>just ignore that nu-OWoD is marketed as being the exact same setting with all the unique parts ripped out to create a soulless, gutless corpo product
>>98391605punk "fuck the man" games becoming popular and being bought out by corporate is always so fucking funny to me. The game nowadays is more or less what the 90s parodized.
>>98388377>is a completely different setting from oWoDyeah, it has some superficial resemblance without anything that makes it interesting
>>98391605With Forsaken I get a very distinct feeling of lost edge, but not with the other nWoD lines like Requiem or Lost.
>>98391668Mage is the worst imo, you go from something that is intellectually challenging and philosophically interesting to generic modern fantasy.
>>98384628>"The TTRPG Community"Doesn't exist.Like when a politician uses the word "Community".It's a fundamental category error.
>>98385362i have never once in my entire time playing tabletop, WoD included, had to tell the gm i was fucking a dog or any other animal, nor have i had that happen in a game.what the fuck kinda table do you play at.
>>98391668didn't forsaken also have a section alluding that werewolves fuck their pet dogs sometimes.
>>98386532Is this the part where we pretend like Jesus was a pacifist with infinite compassion and didn't threaten people with fates worse than death? Because he did, in fact, threaten people with fates worse than death.
>>98392201>Because he did, in fact, threaten people with fates worse than death.apocryphal, unless you mean the part where he stopped (((merchants))) from profiteering on people in the temple
>>98392215>Luke is apocryphalThen said he unto the disciples, It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.
>>98392201>Jesus was a pacifist with infinite compassionThe only time he did anything that could be construed as violence was driving merchants out of the temple and that one time he cursed an unfruitful fig tree as an object lesson to his disciples>>98392215it was a jewish temple of course the merchants would also be jews numbnuts. Jesus took issue with the profiteering, not the shape of their noses
>>98385954>Should people be exiled from the greater community for weird sex shit?i though the answer was always yes to this. No one wants to be in the GMs magical realm
>>98392244This entire thread is my Magical Realm
>>98392243>the only time he did anything that could be construed as violence was the two times he was violentUh huh.>that one time he cursed an unfruitful fig tree as an object lesson to his disciplesIt wasn't just a lesson my dude. It was a prophecy.
>>98392201If he was a pacifist with infinite compassion, then he would have been a false messiah.Pacifism is a hideous vice guised as virtue; it is the intersection of idleness and cowardice.And the kingdom of heaven is for those who believe, not those who do not.What did you expect?Free entry, all you can eat, no strings attatched?You go round other religions tryna beg freebies?Bother somebody else's God without a suitable offering, see how far that gets ya.
>>98392251of course. op only made this thread to talk about dog fucking
>>98392282Preaching to the choir, friend. I'm just informing some trog that Christendom is not a religion that enforces passive victimhood as a rule. He came not to bring peace, but a sword.
>>98392201The guy who made this image is going straight to Hell.And so is everyone who posts it. That's some straight up demonic eisegesis shit right there.>I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!Galatians 1:6-9
>>98392342>GalatiansThis is a letter written to a specific congregation for specific reasons, and its intent was to address issues within that specific congregation. Nothing Paul wrote in these letters was ever intended to be a broad-ranging statement or edict across the entire religion. That is a misunderstanding that developed centuries later. As an example, the "there is neither male nor female, jew nor gree" line was directed toward Judaizers that were enforcing Mosaic Law on Gentiles and Paul was telling them to fucking stop. The Church in Galatia was constantly being fucking retarded.
>>98392308Excuse me then.I just furiously despise people who think Jesus's teachings just boil down to "Live Laugh Love".Dude came bearing the beginning of a new covenant, and the end of the old; that's an ultimatum, not a universalist message.I'm not even a Christian, I'm a fucking amateur theologian.I just hate it when people mischaracterize one of the most profound and characteristic key developments in the moral and spiritual structure of the Western world as smelly hippy bullshit, then act like that's the standard we should all be applying.Also, good on you for embracing Muscular Christianity.It's the only kind worth a damn.
>>98392426is that you whatifalthist?
>>98392426>I just hate it when people mischaracterize one of the most profound and characteristic key developments in the moral and spiritual structure of the Western world as smelly hippy bullshit, then act like that's the standard we should all be applying.Same, it's profoundly frustrating when I can watch people simultaneously bemoan the allegedly "bad" things Christianity has done like Crusaders while simultaneously claiming modern pacifist heresies are the true form of the religion. This pussywhipped form of Christendom has developed out of Dispensationalist heresies and I fucking despise it. It's like if there were Noddists in VtM that preached the Antediluvians dindu nuffin.
>>98392459honestly can't think of a single thing Christendom has done besides the Catholic Church.
>>98392494Well Anon if it puts anything into perspective: The Catholic Chuch's leader is contantly protected by sellswords, killers for hire, and has been for centuries. That's about how pacifist scripture tells you to be.
>>98392531wasn't part of that convo i know Jesus says to sell your cloak and buy a sword when the soldier coming busting down your door.
>>98392447He's Odin's man now, ever since he had that bad trip and went on a 4-hour schizo rant
>>98392538There's a larger contextual meaning to being openly armed behind that. At the time there were Judean Zealots that would stab Romans and Roman sympathizers because they wanted an independent Zion. The Romans called them sicarii, literally daggermen. Wearing a sword openly for self defense was not something the soldiers worried about. It was the concealed knife in a cloak that that bothered them.
>>98391501Yeah, V5 was an intentional return to the 1e basics of the VtM, which absolutely was a misery porn woe-is-you-for-being-a-vampire fight-back-against-the-oppression-of-the-elders type of game.When most people think about VtM these days, they think about the VtM 2e and Revised versions of it, which is when VtM moved past misery porn and sticking it to the man, and focused on gothic superheroes and cut-throat political intrigue instead.
>>98392426Jesus wasn't real, he's based on Mithra and various faiths. He's also an apocalyptic prophet. In the bible they talk about the world ending soon, the same way people used to talk about 2012. His "new covenant" is literally the world ending and everyone going to heaven.Also Muhamadimsdale had a eight year old wife that he slept with at that age. Religion is weird. Look at the amish for proof.
>having sex with dogs and horses is fine actuallyOur parents were right, this hobby does lead to utter moral decay.
>>98392563Actually, I'm more of an ancestor worshipper.And Odin is only ancestral to particular kingly lines.Plus, I'm Anglo-Irish, so I'd call him "Woden" or "Dagda" or "Woden-Dagda" which would be a syncretized form, and makes sense because they are essentially occupying the same archetypal space, and likely ultimately derive from the same origin.Irrelevant though, I'm a craftsman, so my god is called Goibniu, or sometimes Wayland.>>98392868There is the historical Jesus, or Yeshua, a man crucified for sedition and political insurgency.Then there is the metaphysical ideal men call Jesus.The latter has substantially transcended the former, wouldn't you say?Religion, the Greeks said, is held by the common man to be true, the wise man to be false, and the powerful man to be useful.I am of the mind that it can be all three at once.A story can be fictional, as in referring to events which never directly transpired, but still contain an essence of truth, by depicting events of a kind known to occur, and the manner in which they occur, and having a common binding agent is collectively socially useful.But having a patron and muse?A manifest ideal?That's personally useful, be it metaphor, anthropomorphised natural force, or deified ancestor.
>>98392874Have you considered that the character is meant to be reprehensible and supposed to evoke disgust, and that just because it is written in a book, that doesn't mean that the authors support it?
>>98392984No, no, the current year standard is that Depiction and Endorsement are the same thing.And that by that logic JK Rowling is a child abuser, Anne Rice is a dyke, and Nabokov is a pederast.
>>98386449>At no point does WoD endorse bestiality as something to be admiredYou sound like someone who's never read a single word of Werewolf: The Apocalypse, because they absolutely do endorse bestiality as something to be admired.
>>98388691Revenants belong to vampires, and the estate animas are described as ghouled. Sorry to hear about your reading disability.
>>98393130Red Talon hands made this post
>>98392855>V5 was an intentional return to the 1e basics of the VtMIt was not. You were already very powerful in 1e.>they think about the VtM 2e and Revised versions of itV5 has more in common with Revised than with any of the previous editions. Logical because some of the losers that made Revised also participated in the fiasco of V5. 2e is just 1e with minor modifications.
>>98384628Still not as bad as Beast
>>98384974You add extra successes from dexterity to damage and ghouls get access to some of their sire's disciplines. A ghouled housecat can legitimately slaughter people in an ambush and even a fledgling vampire will get fucked up, then you remember you can have as many ghouls as you want and gangrels have animal communication as a clan discipline and you've got a better haven defense than hiring armed security
>>98388387Book: "this woman literally fucks dogs"You, an intellectual: "haha what if she fucks dogs lol"
>>98385246>hi my name is Spot and I hate every single one of you>pic related: it's me and my bitch
>>98385447From what little I know of Changeling it was the most "Main Character: the Syndrome" game of them all.
>>98384628The fuck? This screams woke DND crowd next step once they make everything about sex and shit over adventures and slaying monsters.
>>98392874Nah, it just the people running the gaming companies and communities let the "freaks in rainbow" in and they took over due to no one willing to gate keep or purge them when they showed they weren't fans of the IP but wanted to take it over remaking into this shit here. Though their unable to make anything good and will basically burn every IP and company good will down till they go under, sell the IP, or shut it down. Since not one has been smart enough to just purge the woke tourists out and go back to why it got into the mainstream.
>>98393453Things end as they begin, often with an inversion. Like tarot card turned upside down.
>>98384628>Should WoD players be exiled from the TTRPG community?No. Because there's still a bunch of us that realize that the edgier material like in OP's post is meant to be the freaky revolting shit your character encounters in the game and has to deal with, not become an active participant in.
>>98393615............ The tourists want to join in and role play that shit. You know it, I know it, that fag jerking off to it in the cuck chair in the corner knows it. They want to turn D&D into a kink session in the mind. However rather then make a small niche game for it. They want to take the big thing as theirs cause they deserve to have the brand name cater to them cause whatever gay reasons they came up with. At this point any company that keeps catering to them should fail and go under.
>>98389311Yeah well, women suck shit at doing anything without institutional backing.
>>98393647Pretty much, if they don't have someone SiMPing for them doing everything while they dress up and act like they're leading and helping the cause. It goes nowhere and they give up. Sadly we filled with betas that will white knight and cuck themselves for them. So, till their pawns stop covering their asses. They never learn, and we will keep suffering till we purge and gatekeep
>>98384628I think she misunderstood the assignment.
>>98393453>>98393536>wokeThe woke crowd would say this is incel fetishizing women, they are anti-sex.
>>98392397>. Nothing Paul wrote in these letters was ever intended to be a broad-ranging statement or edict across the entire religion.So he sent a letter to that congregation to give them specific rules for them and just for them and not to bring them in line with Christ's vision for Christianity? Even on a non theological level that makes no sense at all.Straight to Hell, you're going straight to Hell when you die for trying to deceive God's children.
>>98393804>So he sent a letter to that congregation to give them specific rules for them and just for themYes retard, or do you think he had a xerox machine laying around and sent copies to every church on a global scale?>Straight to HellRight back at you fucktard. The interpretation of scripture you are pushing is an anachronism.
>>98393804>1 Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead;)>2 And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:Hmm I wonder if this letter is directed at a specific group of people? You know, perhaps the people he is specifically addressing in the opening of the letter? Nah that would make too much sense. Clearly it was a set of exact instructions to every Christian to ever live 2000 years ahead of time regardless of context. That's why he wrote it to a specific group in a specific place in a specific time and didn't bother to inform any other churches of its content until his letters were collated centuries later. Makes perfect sense.
>>98393863While it was written for one particular congregation, the lesson contained therein (that Faith trumps Law) applied ecunumically, hence its inclusion in the bible.
>>98393880>the lesson contained therein (that Faith trumps Law) applied ecunumically, hence its inclusion in the bible.So basically you're implying Paul is a genius wizard that sees across time and space to tell (You) (You)r hare-brained interpretation of scripture that makes no chronological sense.
>>98393833>>98393863You're being very dishonest. The question is not "did he send a letter to a specific group of people". Clearly he did and nobody is debating that.The question is actually "Is the doctrine he set down in that letter applicable ONLY to those people or is it to bring them in line with what Jesus preached everyone should be doing".It's pretty sad, you're going to Hell for something you're -terrible- at. You're not even good at being Satan's helper.
>>98393936>nobody is debating that.This post is debating it: >>98393804>Even on a non theological level that makes no sense at all.Not just debating it but saying I'm going to Hell for saying so.>It's pretty sad, you're going to Hell for something you're -terrible- at.Ah so you're the same retard. You're just some dispensationalist golem I bet. You argue lie one, accusing other people of dishonesty while going back on your own premises. Pilpul at its finest. Shalom.
>>98394017>This post is debating itNo it isn't. You're so dishonest you'll even pretend I said things I didn't say. Why?
>>98394022>y-y-you're dishonestYou already moved goalposts and lost all right to question anyone's honesty. Go lick your heretic pastor's shoes.
>>98393448In 1e it was just the movie Hook in RPG form. Resisting the mundanity of modern life by deliberately coaxing ordinary people to feel inspired and believe there's more to life if they just reach out and take it.
>>98394028I've done nothing of the sort, what are you talking about?I have consistently said that the letter to Galicians was to bring them in line with Christ's vision for all of His followers. Not to give them special rules that only applied to them.
>>98393892No. I'm saying people miss the point of a given set of lessons in fairly predictable ways and Paul presented a well written reminder of those lessons that was put into scripture in case other congregations forgot again.
>>98394091>I have consistently said that the letter to Galicians was to bring them in line with Christ's vision for all of His followers.Paul is not Christ. Paul was not issuing edicts to the whole of Christendom. To pretend he was doing so is absurd. You want to read his letters and learn from them? Great. Taking them as literalist sect-wide doctrine is beyond retarded.>Not to give them special rules that only applied to them.Then riddle me this: Why didn't he establish those rules to other churches? Why did he feel the need to ONLY inform the particular church he was addressing?>>98394109>I'm saying people miss the point of a given set of lessons in fairly predictable waysPaul's letters are some of the most incredibly and profoundly misinterpreted works in the Bible. I have literally seen people totally ignore direct quotes from Christ in favor of something they extrapolated from Paul.
>>98392956>>There is the historical Jesus, or Yeshua, a man crucified for sedition and political insurgency.>Then there is the metaphysical ideal men call Jesus.>>The latter has substantially transcended the former, wouldn't you say?I'm not aware of any historical records period asserting the first, actually.
>>98394149Well there's plenty of first and second century accounts of his crucifixion.So that a preacher of that name was put to death, is about as well established as the life and death of a man of humble means could be.Now, believing that man is also "The Doorway and The Light"?That would be a statement of faith.The idea that there was a real guy whom all this palaver was based on, is not fundamentally a stretch.What the facts about his life were, or the nature of his alleged divinity?That is something you can decide for yourself.
>>98394177We don't have to try and legitimize religion, and I didn't ask for a sermon.
>>98394177>Well there's plenty of first and second century accounts of his crucifixion.No
>>98393674Sounds like the average gypsy camp.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTQu41ffoSs
>>98393353>remember you can have as many ghouls as you wantYou have to keep them fed, anon. Also, ghouls can become a tremendous hassle, because they are dedicated to you to a point of near-suicidal obsession. Also they will do everything they can to be your favorite pet, including killing your favorite pet.
>>98394149Tacitus and Pliny the Younger. Who themselves were Pagan romans and thus unlikely to be biased in favor of Christianity.
>>98391594Yes, anarchs sucked so much to the point everyone moved to the Camarilla, with the Sabbat replacing them as the edge punk faction.
>>98394206I don't have to legitimize religion.Nor do you have any power to "delegitimize" it.And the sermon was free, but if you want I can start charging.God knows you could do with an education in something other than sodomy and consumerism.>>98394221Sure there is.One of them is in the fucking bible.
>>98394498It's just more fun rebelling from within as a Cammy or openly fighting it as a Sabbat, while also dealing with their different varieties of bullshit. Anarchs just kind of leave. It's sensible but less fun.
>>98394498Anarchs *are* part of the Camarilla. The anarchs that did not accept to be part of the formation of the Camarilla went on to become the Sabbat.
>>98394124>. To pretend he was doing so is absurd.Well then apparently the early church was absurd according to you, because his ideas were widely spread and accepted. He wrote half the books of the New Testament. It's insane to suggest that he did not speak for Christ when he was literally chosen by Christ to spread the word, confronted on his way Galilee and spoken to by Jesus Himself. And here you are arguing he was a marginal figure that shouldn't be listened to because his doctrine, the widely accepted doctrine of Christianity as accepted for hundreds of years conflicts with your desire to do harm to other people based on their skin color and to use Christianity as your shield to do so.Brother, you are 100% destined for Hell if you continue down this path. Before I was being a bit flippant, but now I'm seriously concerned with the status of your soul. What you are doing is 100% eisegesis, and it comes straight from Satan.
>>98394720>Well then apparently the early church was absurd according to youThe "early Church" didn't even have access to all of his letters until over a hundred years later you imbecile.
>>98393315What's Beast?
>>98394720>Well then apparently the early church was absurd NTA but that is just straight up fact. The early church was a bunch of self-elected priests, some of them outright frauds grifting for easy wealth. Most of the early leaders of the church had never met Jesus nor even studied any of his lessons, arbitrarily throwing shit at the wall and seeing what stuck, which is why Paul was writing so much to try and clarify all the confusion (but he introduced new subjects of debate in doing so). Entire sects could not agree whether Jesus was himself divine or merely a mortal practitioner who had touched the divine. Paul himself failed to quash these arguments and it took a big pow-wow at Nicaea to settle the Arian question for good.
>>98394589You can't be serious, anarchs are like the soft Sabbat if anything, how are they part of the Camarilla exactly? I just don't see it at all how could you consider them being part of it.
>>98395819Pedophile: the raping
>ITT: A bunch of twitter addicts who never played the game nor read the books have a meltdown and go on a off-topic rampage with culture war spiced upThis is why these games were targeted at adults when they came out. They're directed at people who can tell fantasy from fiction, not at mentally ill "the west has fallen" losers who can't understand the concept of fiction.
>>98396117>people who can tell fantasy from fictionThat phrase. I do not think that means what you think it means.(It makes sense if you're talking about a failure to tell fantasy from reality or fact from fiction.)
>>98395819You're a nightmare monster that scares humans to "vaccinate" them against the real monsters, like vampires, werewolves, and so on. All the other monsters love you, and any humans that want to kill you are mentally ill freaks. The creator turned out to be very abusive in real life, which kind of recontextualized the game.
>>98398229>very abusivehe was a literal child rapist anon do not sanitize the truth.
>>98398449child or 17 year old child? rape or "rape"?
>>9839900015-year-old and he copped to it.
>>98398229Is it wrong that I don't necessarily hate the concept of monsters that stand between normal humans and far worse monsters? From what you wrote, the only things that stand out as particularly stupid and awful are>All the other monsters love you, and any humans that want to kill you are mentally ill freaks.It seems to really defeat the purpose.
>>98385246>if only you knew how bad things really are
>>98399029The problem is that it wasn't built for it, the lessons were just a poorly made excuse in and out of universe to justify Beast's abusive behavior.Both Sean and Matt admitted it, and went full defensive if somebody pointed it out.
>>98398449>>98399423Oh wow, the writers who can't keep their politics out of their proffessional life and have trouble distinguishing fantasy from reality are also shitty, disfunctional people in their personal lives. How Very surprising.
>>98387746The main heroic factions in nu-Changeling each explicitly mirror the different reactions of a rape victim.
>>98400068He said Dreaming, not Lost, illiteratefucktard-kun
>>98385314I just read this in his voice, it was perfect.
>>98385113>NowDark Ages was the only time it was good.
>>98400068It was accidental, to the point the devs weren't aware of it until later.
>>98384628>That picOP salty about a little Canadian representation?
>>98400207Dark Age is great when you play it with people that can take medieval importance of faith seriously, or at least pretend to. Which seems to rule out everyone born this century.
>>98386649I thought the same thing, like I could see introducing an npc like OP the players can interact with and always just kill if they want. but i could never really see anyone actually playing the concept.
>>98393637>They want to turn D&D into a kink session in the mind. However rather then make a small niche game for it. They want to take the big thing as theirs cause they deserve to have the brand name cater to them cause whatever gay reasons they came up with. At this point any company that keeps catering to them should fail and go under.we're talking about the game that is quietly trying to remove all mentions of dragonfucking from sorcerers, yes?
>>98400068>The main heroic factions in nu-Changeling each explicitly mirror the different reactions of a rape victimI'm not very familar with WoD; could you please list these factions and the way they mirror these reactions ?
>>98400617>SpringThey choose to be happy. By whatever means necessary, from throwing parties to pursuing romance to following dreams, and if all else fails, getting drugged up. The True Fae don't understand the emotion of joy, so these parties actually help to hide Changelings as well. Essentially, diplomats and socialites. Peacemakers that help a Hold stick together.>SummerThey're pissed. They mobilize into a pseudo-militia of Changelings who train in various useful disciplines that can be used to fight the True Fae. Generally they're the bravest but also the most aggressive and reckless. They're the ones who fight to protect the other Courts if the True Fae break out of the Hedge and start hunting Changelings. Often die in the process. Warriors and champions. Not necessarily nice ones.>AutumnThey revel in the fear. Freaks who are obsessed with the source of their dread, the True Fae, and study them with morbid fascination. As a result of their studies, they usually know more than other Courts about the Hedge and are exceptionally talented in the use of Changeling contracts (magic). In a way, they're trying to learn the methods and the madness of the True Fae in order to wield that power against them. However, their obsessions can easily bring hell down upon a Hold if they start mucking about with things they don't understand. Scholars and explorers. Opportunistic and obsessive.>WinterThey're very sad and regretful. They hide from the True Fae and usually from society itself, often ending up as hermits and with a variety of false identities. Because they don't trust easily, they're often the ones who suss out spies and traitors long before other Courts. And when the True Fae come a-knockin', they're the ones who usually survive the fallout. Survival preppers and assassins. Stoic but sympathetic to others.
>>98400068>>98400733It seems that the theme of the game is PTSD and dealing with trauma, people decide to link it only to sexual abuse because they are dramaqueens
>>98400788pretty much. masturbation addicts will make everything about sex
>>98400788Yeah it's not specifically rape, although the trauma inflicted by the True Fae *can* take the form of rape trauma, as True Fae are capricious creatures driven by a wide variety of mysterious motivations and that can include sexual personas like succubi or incubi that basically rape their victims for eternity until they escape. But it can just as easily represent war PTSD, emotional abuse, phobias, etc. Changeling the Lost is a very versatile and intriguing game in that regard.
>>98400844I get that, so saying "each explicitly mirror the different reactions of a rape victim" is simply wrong, it's supposed to represent response to trauma in general, including, but not exclusively sexual.
>>98400854That anon was just repeating /wodg/ memes.
>>98400844It was never rape, and the seasonal courts weren't the only ones from 1e, day/night and the directionals also existed
Changeling the Lost is all about fairy rape trauma and Changeling the Dreaming is all about otherkin pedophilia.
>>98401057>otherkin pedophiliaI'm interested now
>>98401048>It was never rapeWrong. The Gentry took many forms and some of them focused on sexual abuse, or even sexual pleasure. You didn't read the books.>and the seasonal courts weren't the only ones from 1e, day/night and the directionals also existedThere are also rules for making new Courts in later splatbooks. But those aren't the primary PC factions. They're secondary groups only playable from splatbooks rather than the core book. They're also not particularly common in terms of presence in the USA. The directional courts are more prevalent in Asia, while the Night/Day Courts were the most ancient Court Pact and are largely obsolete outside of small pockets scattered across Europe.
>>98401073That anon is reposting /wodg/ memes, don't take him too seriously. CtD is closer to a game about schizophrenia than anything. >Fairies are the only ones who can see the Dreaming, a realm of wonder and magic which only they can interact with>the human inability to perceive the Dreaming, and the modern lack of superstition and belief in the supernatural, is causing it to fade from existence and Fairies to forget themselves>So Fairies have to try and make humans feel imagination and wonder to revitalize the Dreaming as best they can
>>98384628Holy Shit.I've only read V20 stuff cause I only play V20 but god damn, it's crazy just how awesome sit used to be back in the day. And I mean everything from comics, movies, video games. I forget that WOD used to be based. Someone post that pic of rudy
>>98401311>Someone post that pic of rudyGotcha covered.
>>98401632Are Elders traditionally misogynistic? They're ageist, for the obvious reason of being immortal wizards, but some of the most powerful character in VtM are women.
>>98401641Rudi is, to put it delicately, not very smart.
>>98401632was this a contest to see who could write vampires somehow gayer than the ones in Twilight?
>>98401632these same people are writing V6
>>98401687>peaceful protestsI'm shaking in my baby leather boots.
>>98401687>buy into this random bozo's personal army of political activists and receive the power of ineffectual modern activism!Wow thanks White Wolf, I'm sure the Elders can't possibly defeat such a force
>>98401695you never know how peaceful things are gonna get
>>98401720Actually in V5 the Elders are all in the middle east circlejerking each other and getting possessed by Malkav and his sister, so they're only running the cities by proxy and haven't been seen in five years, which begs the question of what Rudi is rebelling against.
>>98401738>"Oskar, my loyal revenant?">"Yes, Master Andrei?">"Unleash the Vozhd."
>>98401742Against gen 8s and gen 13s
>>98385246YJKWGFD
>>98401802obligatory
>>983846281e Exalted just as bad. You know why. Don't make me post it.
>>98387292revenants regenerate 1 vitae a day mechanically, but lorewise it's basically 'pseudo-vitae' - my recollection from the OG ghouls and revenants supplement stuff is that it's sort've a halfway between human blood and vitae - if human blood is beer, revenant blood is like a sweet wine, and then vitae is the wine but drugged.
>>98402069this was in regards to it's taste, to be clear.
>>98402053post it anon, post it
>>98401632You know what the fucked up part is? If he were Brujah this would all make sense. But no, they just HAD to make him a Gangrel.
>>98401632So the impression I'm getting is that OWOD was for Sickfucks, and NWOD is for Gay Retards.
>>98402280Bonus points for the bear joke
4channer: the __???__ing?
>>984032434cuck: The Shitposting
>>98402434That's not NWoD (officially it's CofD, "Chronicles of Darkness, it's an entirely different continuity), it's gWoD AKA Gay World of Darkness. Officially it's a continuation of WoD but it's more like a skinwalker using its corpse as a suit.
>>98384628You need to get rid of the Pathfinder players as well.
>>98404585And Runequest Glorantha, just for the broo/scorpion men.
>>98402053Post it, pussy.
>>98385798Not really considering consumer trends and discourse affect the market and the culture.
>>98405257>>98402134You asked for it. Your enlightened progressive game studio, sire.
>>98405616That's 2e, you complete mongoloid.
>>98405632so what? it's still Exalted
>>98405616that's it? meh
>>98405646Cuz edition matters. If you wanna post edgy shit from Exalted 1e post about the rituals to appease Kings of the Woods, the god who possesses children to go on mass-murdering sprees or the Night Caste Solar who is a serial rapist.
>>98405660Oh just 1e lunars sidebars about the struggles of playing not-rapist lunars.
>>98405708I wanted to avoid the low hanging fruit.
>>98393615>implying you cant do both
>>98384628>semiautisticLook it was the 90s.
>>98393130Breeding with humans is indeed revolting, but the other tribes cannot be made to understand.
>>98401632Rudi makes sense as a 3 month old brujah that worked out how the world (of darkness) really works yet, but the actual narrative arc of a determined justice obsessed reformer in WoD is to either slowly become what he hates or end up dead at the hands of a sheriff or maybe some hunters that got a tip off from a local elder who wanted to keep his hands clean.I'd forgive them if they revisit the character and he's started the slide and is using his "safe spaces" for minorities as a herd.
>>98401641>Are Elders traditionally misogynistic?They have to be. If they weren't then faggots like Rudi couldn't virtue signal, and that bitch who reshaped the Tremere wouldn't have the big bad patriarchy to rebel against.
>>98384628Only 5th edition players The rest of the spooks can stay because Hunter is a cool ass game
>>98404585Genuinely what the fuck is wrong with Pathfinder
>>98407011Lamashtu is the Mother of Monsters. She's also CE so players aren't worshipping her unless the campaign is super fucked
>>98407011They went from refined 3.5 and adding a few differences to their lore. To being just as bad as WOTC and D&D with woke shit. To be fair, if they weren't grandstanding on everything I wouldn't mind them having freaky shit like this. Chopping it to that crazy cult shit we see some cults do. However, Paizo like WOTC pull shit out of their games they saw as "problematic." Once you start doing that shit that means everything you add or keep after means you accept.
>>98392251From Another Time, Another Land
>>98384628It's a vamplarper's world, you're just living in it.
>>98405650FBI search this anon's hard drive it's probably a doozy
>>98385246>"Eh, it's a living."
>>98405616That's gross.
>>98401641Traditonally, no, they are a caste system where the real people (vampires) get to enslave and leech off of the underclass (humans) and that would far outweigh sex in a species that reproduces parasitically. Also we see no evidence of sexism in the government structure of the Camarillla or even the Sabbat. The fact a woman could even be a Primogen or Prince is downright progressive for a org that's been around for a millenium.However, I can't help but think a five hundred tear old man would , more likely than not, be quite sexist by modern standards. But this would pale in comparison to all the true evil things a vampire does just to exist because hating women is based lol
>>98401641>Are Elders traditionally misogynistic?No, most of them completely predate the very concept of misogyny. As long as the women do as they are told and keep to their social station, they'll have no issue. This is such a stupid fucking question the moment you stop and think of it for even a second.>>98408327Vampires and their behavior in oWoD did not develop by evolution, and their behavior, although partially driven by the beast they now contend with, is almost entirely based in a darker form of whatever psychology they had in life. Further, because of how vampires work in oWoD, they almost never progress or change psychologically from how they were when they were embraced, making "personal growth" (whatever you would consider it) almost impossible, and this only seems to get worse as the vampire ages and their capacity for dealing with new information or learning new concepts calcify.How they behave and what they expect from others is a web of when and where they were embraced, and who they were.
>>98408280Stick around a while, newfag, and you'll end up unimpressed by basic gore like the rest of us.
>>98395942>You can't be seriousI am very serious. Its a foundational part of the "anarch movement" within the Camarilla as opposed to the original anarch revolt.>anarchs are like the soft Sabbat That's literally what I told you.>how are they part of the Camarilla exactly?Again, I literally told you. The Anarch Revolt was a rebellion of primarily younger kindred against the elders (and to the noddists, the antedeluvians) perpetuated during the Middle Ages. This, in the midst of vampires getting their shit pushed in by human persecution and the inquisition, eventually lead to the formation of the Camarilla at the Convention of Thorns, at which most of the leaders of the Anarch Revolt had been imprisoned, and were given the option of accepting the Traditions and the vampiric "nation" of the Camarilla and have a seat at the table, or be put to death out of pure necessity.This was accepted by some but rejected by a few - most notably prominent leaders of the Tzimizce and the Lasombra. As accords were reached and the leaders soon to be put to death, a Malkavian (Vasantasena) possibly acting upon the will of her sire (Unmada) freed the leaders, and she became the first Malkavian Antitribu.The Anarchs became part of the Camarilla, and although their Princes are called Barons, are recognized as members whether they like it or not, and their antics are accepted as long as they respect the Traditions and do not openly rebel.The Anarchs that did not accept this radicalized further, became Noddist fanatics because the leaders were the Lasombra and the Tzimizce; this became the Sabbat.The Anarch Movement are Camarilla; the original Anarchs of the Revolt are Sabbat.
>>98408280Its literally nothing. Just a "haha how weird" description. In the middle of a fucking comic page.
>>98409473>the purported resistance is just controlled opposition and part of thr status quoGolden nuggets of writing you would never get nowadays.
>>98409694The most beautiful part of VtM lore is that the bad guys were always right.
>>98411437Sabbat are the good guys though
