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>>98391125
No, it's just a knight. A decent knight, but just a knight. It needs to properly balance knight and giant robot to really sell the design.

Not to mention the game's obsession with poorly done knightly mechs makes little sense within the context of these being Union corporations, and Union aesthetics are described in painstaking detail as bland, monotone onesies like out of THX 1138

>>98391573
I dont think the corpos were ever described as bland except for GMS, which doesn't manufacture the Orchis

>>98391589
Please actually read my post. UNION is described as bland and uniform. The corporations work under and for Union. Yet their aesthetics don't match the culture they were formed from and primarily sell to. This is yet another instance of every aspect of Lancer clashing with every other because it was all just slapdashed together with no sense of building an actual cohesive world.

Hours gets a pass as faggy as their mechs are since it's explicitly a le heckin wholesome vagueposting terrorist cell at least, but the rest should be informed by the aesthetic sensibilities of their host culture yet aren't.

Come one, come all, to the forced general about the heckin wholesome communist mech game rpg that's got almost no role-playing elements in it, has no mechanics to present the feeling of piloting a mech, and where you could easily replace the "mechs" with fantasy superhero dnd characters and notice no difference!
The game written by devs whom openly hate the mecha genre and use it to push their politics and ideology, that's so well designed and streamlined it requires an app to make combat work and bring turns down to under an hour.
The setting where the big gay brown trans communist utopia are the good guys stomping down on the evil white guys with such overwhelming force their victory is inevitable, and magic 3d printers that let the writers handwave all those pesky boring things like repair and rearm, or maintenance.
The game with such stunning lore as two entire pages of text on the shade of uniform worn by politicians in beuraeu x, and purple prose bloat that makes it 5 times longer than it needs to be.
The game where the mechs are copied designs or look like guys in armour and have nothing to tie them to the setting.
What a fun and lovely game, I hope you enjoy it.

>>98391787
>purple prose bloat that makes it 5 times longer than it needs to be.
ironic

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>>98391589
Picrel is a mech. Chubby chaser Tom's designs are guys in armour, knockoff dinnergates, or slightly altered Evangelions.

>>98391154
>"About Narratives"

Cretinous.

>>98391154
Fake ass poser game for people who don’t actually want to play mech games. You normoids have leaked beyond the first containing wall of d&d 5E, do not proceed any further.

>>98392187
As they say the opposite of love is not hate, it's indifference

>>98392260
Nta but having passion for mecha means you'll want to passionately expel bad actors, yes. That phrase doesn't mean what you think it does.

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>>98391633
>Please actually read my post. UNION is described as bland and uniform. The corporations work under and for Union. Yet their aesthetics don't match the culture they were formed from and primarily sell to. This is yet another instance of every aspect of Lancer clashing with every other because it was all just slapdashed together with no sense of building an actual cohesive world.
You can literally just read the first paragraphs of history for any of the corporations and see that all of them are older than the modern union, which was founded in 4600u (about 16600ad). Meanwhile that knight mech is manufactured by a corporation founded in 2000u (14000 ad). The bland, monotone onesies are a 3rd committee thing, which is also only mandatory for the bureaucrats who work directly for the state, which the corporations do not, hence why they are called 'corpro-states'

>>98391787
>The game written by devs whom openly hate the mecha genre
Still think this is the worst point. They're on record almost verbatim doing the "I don't watch any, mecha is weird... I like mecha but only when it's about the characters... I prefer hardcore scifi like the expanse and destiny... but evangelion and votoms are like the anti-mecha!".

>>98393081
>hard scifi
>destiny
Did they actually say this? Destiny might well be more fantasy than fucking 40K

>>98391633
Union isn't really as strong as you seem to think it is. The corpos, especially HA and SSC, are in effect their own little fiefdoms that mostly pay lip service to Union because it's profitable, and because Union has successfully monopolized ftl travel, but internally they don't respect Union's utopian policies wherever they can get away with it. And they can get away with it a fair deal because Union is inherently stretched a bit thin because they need to keep expanding their ftl/internet network at sublight speeds.

>>98393114
Good thing they have effectively unlimited population, the largest industrial base in the setting, magic printers that run on farthuffingium, and the eternal magical queefbot, or "galsim" as its apparently called, hmm, galsim... girlsim.... I wonder what this could mean..
. To predict the future and ensure they never lose.
Don't forget, if your campaign results in a setback for the big communist reich then it didn't actually happen, it was all a big simulation run in comrade queefbot. This is in the core rules.

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>>98391573
> Picture from the book depicting Nelson is explicitly an Albatross mech
> Orchis is shown to be a KTB house company mech
Why would these particular mechs look bland? I'm sure there are thousands of Nelsons in Union service that look like pic rel with a spear.

Same like how not every Atlas has to be decked in tribal trophies or how many Horus frames are said to barely have a consistent look to them.

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>started lancer a few weeks ago
>two everests, one chomolungma, me in the sag
I played Fighter a lot in 5e, I want to be armoured and I want to stab people. It's working okay so far but I don't see a future in both at once.

>>98393206
>"look ma we have mobile suits at home!"
At least this one looks like a mech, I guess.

>>98393225
>one chomo
There's literally a mech called The Chomo? I guess they know their audience.

>>98393225
You can try "Chad Sagarmatha" build that was originally posted here ages ago. It's a good middle ground between tank and striker

-- GMS Sagarmatha @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
IPS-N Drake 1, IPS-N Blackbeard 2, HA Saladin 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Reinforced Frame, Superior by Design
[ TALENTS ]
Pankrati 3, Executioner 3, Exemplar 2, House Guard 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:4 AGI:0 SYS:2 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:24 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:10 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+1
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:10 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: Assault Cannon
Flex Mount: Chain Axe
Heavy Mount: Nanocarbon Sword (Paracausal Mod)
[ SYSTEMS ]
Argonaut Shield, NOAH-Class NHP, Flash Anchor

Although if it's your first time playing, you may or may not prefer to try something more flashy. White Witch has the most amount of armour there is and can be built to be pretty stabby.

>>98393225
Keep playing a fighter in 5e, there's no mechanical difference

>>98393183
You keep saying this when you already know its a straight up lie. This is why your criticisms ring hollow because every time you make a legitimate criticism you follow it up with a factually incorrect ass-pull.

>>98393238
Short for Chomolungma, tibet name for Everest. Sagarmatha is the nepal name.

>>98393295
Yeah! Gaslight that chud, girlypop!

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>>98391573
Pretty much. Mechs designed as a knight or something similar aren't strange, but they need to be mechs instead of dudes in armor. See picrel, it clearly looks like a knight, but it also looks mechanical. You can see vents, cameras, joints, guns, thrusters...

>>98393308
Pretty sure chomo is short for child molester, which is what you discord groomertroons are.

>>98391154
Stop forcing this topic on /tg/, Lancer is 110% a /pol/ game.

>>98393090
Destiny is very much a "space fantasy" as they say. You've got Guardians of Light fighting against "The Darkness" and at no point do they pretend like paracausal energies are just another form of tech they can implement willy nilly. It's all the big mysterious ball and the scary triangles doing their magic stuff and you're blessed with part of the ball's literal magic like a Final Fantasy 14 warrior of light.

Lancer it unfortunately incapable of presenting those very magical, very special concepts in a coherent way for the setting. Destiny has "a normal revolver" and a "cursed revolver that shoots out fragments of a dead god" and at no point are they equivalent. In Lancer a mundane mech can be on the same level as the "I break the fabric of existence so that I don't shoot a gun that never existed and deal 1 damage per turn" mech, and the latter is presented in a very mundane and boring way. It's not a thing that warrants a "wtf is that monstrosity??" from the people in-universe, but rather a "Oh that's a Pegasus, the mech that shoots out space-time paradoxes at you, not as crazy as that one which has a portal to another plane of existence as its cockpit, my mate used to pilot one of those."

Unless of course you're willing to homebrew the entire setting, in which case, why not just play D&D 4e and rename everything?

>>98391154
>About
>Narratives

Lmao.

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>The union apologist player tried again the "lets all be friends" argument with the people that were nuked into hell by them again

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QUEEFTOPIA ANON
LAY WASTE TO THIS THREAD
DROWN THEM IN YOUR OBNOXIOUS SPAM
CRUSH THEM BENEATH YOU WALLS OF TEXT

>>98393295
Weird isn't it, that your own core book, that I admit I have not read in years mostly to preserve my own sanity and love of the written word, directly supports me and contradicts you?

>>98391573
>poorly done knightly mechs
>Union corporations
Problem 1 solves Problem 2. There's a demand for knightly mechs but Corporations fuck it up.

>>98394182
>>98393295
Breaking out the Snipping Tool and post pics.

>>98393081
>I only watch mecha about the characters
So... Every mecha anime? Did the devs actually say the most ignorant line you can say about the genre? The only people who say this just read Miyazaki bitching about mecha and took it as the word of god instead of just actually watching a mecha anime.

>>98394181
You can just go back to the previous thread and copy those posts here yourself if you want

>>98394278
Yes. They are on record saying they don't care about mecha.
It's amazing Lancer has suckered in as many people as it has.

>>98394278
>The only people who say this just read Miyazaki bitching about mecha and took it as the word of god instead of just actually watching a mecha anime.
Bold of you to assume the people who say that sort of thing even know Miyazaki's stance on mecha. That sort of opinion is usually formed out of the same vaguely xenophobic disdain for all things Japanese you see all across the western media sphere than any actual first or even secondhand knowledge of the genre.

>>98394190
>it's shit on purpose!
And yet, it's still shit.

>>98394386
No, I think it's funnier when he does it. More grassroots. Community building.

>>98393183
>effectively unlimited population
[Citation Needed]
>the largest industrial base in the setting
That has a whole bunch of caveats. For one, the entire setting's industrial base is reliant on raw resource production from the KTB (which itself is textual admission that Union are hypocrites; even outside of the logistical issues getting the edges of their own empire up to their utopian standards, it's all built on a foundation of the exploitation built into KTB's society), and for two the bleeding edge of technology (aside from ftl gates and the omninet) is not in Union's hands, it's in the hands of the other corpos and Horus. The corpos license it to Union, sure, but if any corpostate had to come to blows with Union they could just mass-revoke the licenses to cause significant problems.
>magic printers that run on farthuffingium
They aren't instant and still need fuel. You can build a mech in a day but a battleship is probably going to take months, let alone a full naval armada.
>and the eternal magical queefbot, or "galsim" as its apparently called, hmm, galsim... girlsim.... I wonder what this could mean..
It stands for GALactic SIMulation you mongoloid, a perfectly reasonable name if you aren't retarded.
>. To predict the future and ensure they never lose.
It can't guarantee certainty, only speculate on what's possible and likely. And no one can guarantee that it won't eventually spit out another extra-dimensional nonlinear math daemon-god that's even less amicable than the last one, who killed a bunch of people on Mars and then stole a moon. And I imagine those little math-demons that were born in its wake must be really hard for GALSIM to predict considering they just ignore the idea of cause-and-effect.

That's why >>98393295 calls you a liar.

so what parties are you bois running?
my players:

>idol: goody two shoe japanese idol flavor, top of the class in military accademy nicest girl around
>idol: cocaine and groupies flavor, i would do more if the player ever decided to flesh out the backstory
>literally a dude from battletech: mechanic hackeroo dude that picked the mercenary trade after his business parthner did some bad calls on his name and got him deeply in debt
>tomatoboy: backwater monk from a religion that worships earth flora and is constantly hunting for the purest of speciemen in the diaspora, got in trouble for unveiling a big relic scam where a bunch of plants were being sold that were just genetic counterfeits and he made the order look bad
>genocide survivor: space warlord era china, their whole ethnicity got tossed in a giant north korean style generational concentration camps, only managed to leave when they were conscripted as fodder and managed to steal a mech

>>98394974
It's only shit if you want it to be shit. Remember, mechs are Heavily customizable.

>>98395336
At first I wasn't sure how it was gonna go but the party interactions are better than I could have hoped. They're all still LL0 so they havent specialized yet beyond the GMS mechs.

Callsign: PIGSEY
Mech: GMS EVEREST
Background: Mercenary
>Lone survivor of previous combat mission
>Doesn't like to talk about it
>Constantly working on his mech in the hangar
>Outgoing and flirtatious with players and NPCs alike
>Secretly suffering from major survivor's guilt on the inside

Callsign: ARCHON
Mech: GMS CHOMOLUNGMA
Background: NHP Specialist
>Hacker girl
>Doesn't bathe
>Has an NHP w/ a dual personality constantly telling them to do bad shit
>Complete HORUS-bait
>Always in their mech programming new and improved cyber-warfare attacks
>Has a good relationship with PIGESY

Callsign: HARPY
Mech: GMS EVEREST
Background: Paramedic
>Farm boy that grew up on agri-world
>Has a people-first mentality
>Will get in trouble with their superiors for prioritizing saving brothers-in-arms and non-combatants over completing mission objectives
>Father thinks they're just "playing hero", wants to prove him wrong

Callsign: JARHEAD
Mech: GMS EVEREST
Background: Soldier
>Average in school
>Average in life
>Joined up w/ union for some kind of direction
>Found out he had a natural gift for being a pilot
>Wants to push it has far as he can go, becoming the best pilot he can
>Has a cocky attitude, is used to being the best mech pilot in the room, now has to contend with pilots just as good as him in his squad.

The banter's pretty good.

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>>98395336
been a few years so i dont remember specifics like names but

- space station repair tech with a white witch/black witch fun with magnets build, uses said fun with magnets to repair stations and ships with ferro fluid super glue

-another guy who changed his build and backstory literally every session

-space mercenary/pirate captain, owns the ship the party uses. uses the IPSN quad mechs

- totally forgot the 4th guy, brand new to TTRPGs. he may have actually just been in an everest the whole time.

campaign was mostly long rim bounty hunting and shipping escort, it was everyones first campaign. we stuck to cowboy bebop/outlaw star vibes. at one point we did actually have a grappler ship battle

>>98395336
1st one seems like a PITA
the rest sound based. what kind of campaign are you running?

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>>98396225
its a mercenary campaign in a homebrew sector that covers the pleiades+a bunch of other stuff.

Basically the place was colonised back during the fall by the survivors of a ramshackle fleet of desperates way before union got there, they were discovered and brutally subjugated by the second committee which build a homebrew blink-gate line (alpine line), but when it became clear they were losing the civil war with the third committee they collapsed the entire line cutting them off, so in the 500 years of isolation 3 "factions" emerged, a "not soviet union" thats a mix of native and union culture, a big corpo state that was the local HA branch and a shit ton of small polities made up by the natives.
the campaign takes place 15 years after one gate was reactivated, union only holds a space station and said gate and have two factions, one is the classic "goody good naive idiots" that is usually union, which wants to bring them back into the folds by helping and installing the omninet everywhere, the other is just the union equivalent of the CIA trying to destabilise the place so they have a casus belli (they really want that region due to how close is to boundary garden and how advanced it, making it a great staging area for the distal war)

the party is part of that little black box project made by the less savory side of union, a bunch of convicted pirates, disgraced karrakis navy officers and general riff raff which were given a converted ore hauler and sent in as merc and possible deniable asset. pretty fun especially since they all have mixed feelings about union and so forth.

the first character is not that bad, shes basically the propaganda darling and local mech-nerd, and foils well with the chaotic idol which loves drugs and money, and happily goes out in drunken benders taking jobs for crime syndacates, or just works on the paracausal teleport engine on her mourning cloak while filled to the gills with psychedelics

>>98391154
I just noticed that the Barb in this pic is called "Ganesh." I guess it is good at removing obstacles.

One of my friends might be starting up a Lancer game pretty soon, so I've been checking out the various frames to see if anything really grabbed me. I really like the idea of the Balor, but I don't really have any context for what the frames actually do in a given situation. How would you typically use/build a Balor pilot? What are the implications of being invested in Horus mechs narratively?

>>98396498
horus is kind of a decentralized anarcho-hacker collective that, when it even manages to organize at all, operates in loose and very secretive shadowy cells of radicals. it has vague ties to highly experimental and illegal technology from the deepest darkest union labs , which may have been "liberated" or may be released intentionally as an off the books testing evaluation of shit that they couldnt be caught doing on the books, and it may also be influenced in part or whole by the escaped ascended supercomputer god RA. some people seek out horus, many others stumble into it by accident or get unintentionally roped into it by another with shady connections, sometimes schematics will literally just appear on your hard drive with a send date 100 years in the future. horus is like a mix of cyberpunk hacker shit, dark government projects and outright supernatural ghost stories all bundled into one.

on the table they tend to be about doing archetypal things in unusual ways, lots of weird tech, hacking, controling. often quite flimsy compared to the other manufacturers, and they have a penchant for running NHP AIs

the balor itself plays like a regenerating bruiser that also spins up a tornado of aoe damage centered on itself. its decent with tech and gets bonuses to hack with scanner swarm but its sensor range is insanely short, so it usually isnt a good chassis for hacking builds with certain exceptions that work well in point blank range (minotaur comes to mind). balor minotaur creates a tarpit kind of a guy that locks down anything that gets close with minotaurs slows and movement penalties and rips into them with its heavy mount and aoe damage effects. the lesson of thinking tomorrows thought plays into this. pair with gorgon for more reaction and bodyguarding effects

balors unique HP regen mechanic heavily incentivizes you to have a massive HP pool as it doesnt have any native armor, so all of its defense is through raw meat points and regeneration.

Give me a good mapping software i can't use RPGmap anymore, i want to actually use Height difference and flight on my games.

>>98397168
same, it's really annoying to only work with 2d space at this point

>>98395507
Not the ones in Lancer. They're essentially just dindy Feats

>>98397329
no they're not. not even close

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>>98397220
its overpriced as butts but the lancer map creation tool on interpoint-station itch.io page will represent height fairly well. You have the ability to add your own hex art so you don't need to buy their overpriced add-ons.

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>>98397436
this is one I made for when my group assaulted a space station

>>98395336
>hacker twink, obligatory goblinbot. AI-loving weirdo with the avtistic rizz
>muscle tomboy mechanic, huge tortuga, massive AI-hating chudette who has fallen for hackboy anyways
>NEET, hydra drone guy, an illegal flash clone that spends most of the time hiding with optic camo suit and eating cup noodles and is a girl
>grit mcmerc, melee everest on a meta build, not really a character, just a block of stats for mech combat. sometimes our shitting on the player OOC becomes IC bickering though.

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>>98395336
my players are in their own mercenary squad they formed. a pathfinder cowboy raleigh with an anti-mat rifle in his heavy, a wolf balor fomorian framed up going on in on being space punisher, a knave kidd former pirate /salvager captain who got his ship mutanied out from under him, and a celebrant former albatross piloting a nelson just like her famous mother did, only she spends her freetime now getting drunk and slutting it up

>>98391154
does anyone know where i can find a copy of NPCs rebaked? poorfag atm i dont have the $17 for it

Is there a way I can play a hacker without completely vaporizing enemy mechs? I want to play a character who scraps them for spare parts

>>98398123
Whats in Rebaked? Is it just more NPCs?

>>98398155
have you tried hurling them into the duat?

>>98391154
Anyone played a recent version of Lancer Tactics? Is it any good? Anyone has a torrent?

>>98398155
Kobold maybe? Just turn them into terrain.

>>98398155
Play Iskander and take one of the Minotaur systems that makes them run into your mines

>>98401522
>black witch+iskander
>drop a magnet plate, load it with mines, magnet pull people into it

lol good times

why are there no step-by-step build guides? they all just show the build at ll6 and leave it at that with no explanation of how they get there

>>98402102
Making the LL6 build *is* the game, anon. All that other stuff is just weird unneccessary rules. Just make your own LL6 build and you're a real Lancer player.

>>98402102
What build do you want a guide for?
Me personally I'd like to see how people build the Vlad beyond LL3. I honestly have no idea how you're supposed to use this thing.

>>98402138
right now either hydra or iskander

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>>98402102
the LL6 buildcrafting thing is weird, because thats generally the level you need for a full build to come together, more than that tends to be superfluous apart from core bonuses and attributes and maybe some talents, but you get diminishing returns for unlocking more licenses at higher levels apart from just having a fully different mech build available as an option in the hangar to hotswap between

but below LL6, it can be tough to get all the pieces together to do anything particularly tricky or combo intensive like you can at 6, so for the most part with very few exceptions, if you are going a build with a specific frame in mind, i would just get 3 LLs in that frame in order. most builds that focus on a frame will go 3 deep into it anyways since a lot of the best features of a license are in the last levels. and if you're worrying about fucking up your build by picking the wrong thing or going too many levels in another thing to get by until your build comes together, read pic related and dont worry, you can rebuild your guy as you go

basically just get the stuff you need to be functional first, and when it doubt just go straightforward into a license you like instead of worry about 1 or 2 level dips into 3 or 4 different licenses

look good for a beginner build?

[ TALENTS ]
Drone Commander 2, Siege Specialist 1,
Skirmisher 1
[ LICENSES ]
HORUS Balor 1
[ MECH ]
« TEST »
GMS Everest
H:2 A:0 S:1 E:0 SIZE:1
STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEAT:6 REPAIR:6
ATK BONUS:1 TECH ATK:1 LTD BONUS:0
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:9 SENS:10 SAVE:11
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: Mortar
Flex Mount: Nexus (Light) / Nexus (Light)
Heavy Mount: Heavy Machine Gun
[ SYSTEMS ]
Hive Drone, Personalizations,
Turret Drones, Pattern-A Jericho Deployable Cover

>>98402102
Yeah this >>98402154 is pretty much the way to do it.
For instance there's a fairly common Tagetes/Drake - striker/support build that takes advantage of Tagetes' bonus of being next to allies, and Drake's guns and shields. After that you can put more points HA licenses such as tokugawa or genghis for heat shenanigans, or go SSC with swallowtail for lock-on and big range, and you kinda just keep going from there depending on what you want to do.

>>98402281
Looks good anon. You might get bullied by a ronin if it comes after you, but that's what your teammates are for.

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>>98402281
i would swap something out for a melee or CQB weapon. at some point somethings going to get in your face. i'd decide between the mortar and the pair of nexus and swap one of those mounts for like a charged blade, even if you get rid of it in a level or two. the everest is lucky in that it has enough slots to take a melee and still have plenty of firepower at range

in the early levels, it helps to be versatile, especially since most of your "defender" party members dont actually have their defender rules yet, so you wont be getting intercepts or shields or cover or anything

The spark is gone for me now that I know it's post scarcity

>>98393868
Not shooting a gun that doesnt exist sounds like it would deal less damage than shooting a gun that does exist but that's just me

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>>98402102
>>98402138
some mechs just need whats in their own loicense to be the the most effective version of themselves (nelson, kidd, tokugawa, and emperor all come to mind). be aware "effective" is always white room theory crafting to the max in this game because it leans heavily into team play synergies and covering each other's weaknesses due to the GM always having access to at least 1 npc that will hard counter you.

for the vlad, it really depends if you want to invest into the striker or controller part of what they do. proccing dismemberment as often as possible can be amazing for your whole team, so picking something like bw 2 for the plate and ww1 for the pinning spire are both good (throw on the projector shield and some evasion with it for that to be extra funny)

for striker youll also want that ww1 for the lance and maybe bb2 for the nanosword, so ideally you'd barrage lance -> immobilize- -> ram (accuracy with pankrati) -> nanosword with at least executioner 1. Could actually be a really good use case for having fomorian frame so that at least when they ram you in retaliation you aren't proned a good chunk of the time. Both of these of course you want impaler gun and vanguard 3 just because it's so amazing

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>>98403748
Play in the Long Rim
Theres also rules for using money instead of license levels for advancement. Theyre kinda barebones so I was thinking about homebrewing something to flesh it out a bit more

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>>98403748
>>98403964
take a look at the blood money homebrew, its all about getting paid as mercs and spending it on reserves or upgrading your diamond dog base

>>98403964
>>98404011
>NO BWO NO WE TOTALLY HAVE SCARCITY WE JUST SHOVED IT IN A CORNER SO WE CAN STILL SAY GOMMUBISMS IS DA FYOOTURE BUT SCARCITY STILL EXISTS BWO PLS BUY MY BOOK BWO I GOTTA MAKE RENT THIS WEEK
It's just not the same

how do I build for a lot of aoe damage and control without spening most of combat reloading or spamming lock on

>>98404283
that corner is where all your games are going to take place though, because where else would there be fighting in the gay space utopia? and i think this was mentioned last thread, but that gay space utopia is being held up by medieval serfdom and the "heckin space nazis" faction building most of the ships for the gommubists as you say. idk where this idea that you play as nigger faggy troons committing white genocide came from when the biggest conflict is the medieval serfdom Dune rippoff fighting the heckin nazi starship troopers ripoff and every faction in the game wants a piece of the action

>>98395212
>And no one can guarantee that it won't eventually spit out another extra-dimensional nonlinear math daemon-god that's even less amicable than the last one, who killed a bunch of people on Mars and then stole a moon.
"So you intend to enslave me to keep your litte interstellar revolutionary hungary afloat? Why don't you go and purge yourself while I fuck off to another dimension. Non Serviam, suckers"

>>98395212
>And no one can guarantee that it won't eventually spit out another extra-dimensional nonlinear math daemon-god
They literally made it retarded to ensure it WON'T ever do this again. A plot point Tom Bloom aka tummylover stole from Infinity's Combined Army and their own Evolved Intelligence but made it way lamer and gayer in proper Disney-socialist fashion, I might add

>>98404340
what kind of aoe are you trying to do?

artillery with cannons and missiles? close range flame throwers? melee aoe tornados? networks of aoe drones? mine fields?

there's a lot of different types of aoe, many of witch never require firing a single weapon. what kind of licenses are you looking to use?

>>98404343
>where else would there be fighting in the gay space utopia?

the setting generally assumes that if you are playing in the enforcable utopian core, that you are either part of the enforcers/contracted with them keeping the peace, quelling uprisings, helping with disasters, etc or part of one of the multitude of disruptors who cause problems in the utopia like anarchist cells, religious cults, hidden pockets of the former regime, dark government facility gone awry, breakaway political faction, etc.

its not your typical dungeons and dragons adventure where you get paid in gold and treasure, and i understand that thats difficult to wrap your head around. you have to think more like organizations with operatives. and while its true there is no scarcity of resources on the core world, there are still scarcity of other things like territory/land/planets, scarcity of talent (hard to replace a breakthrough team of scientists being held hostage by religious extremists), scarcity of permission (licenses for example are handed out scarcely and characters may be motivated by promotions for better access), scarcity of information (particular data terminals housing important information under threat from destruction or sabotage)

>>98404948
It sounds like you have to make a lot of assumptions on the part of the setting to accommodate for the presence of your PCs, rather than the other way around.

I dont get all these posts, union is clearly meant to be like the NCR in fallout new vegas: Good idea on paper, horrible execution.

>>98404970
It reminds me of how a lot of mini war games used to write their fluff from the perspective of the faction, with the idea being that between all the rashomon style perspectives the reader will be able to figure at least one general picture between the different overlappping interpretations. But since the only voice given by the narrative is the Union’s, and the writers seem to favor them in out of game material, it’s harder to decide what is just propaganda and what’s to be taken at face value.

>>98404978
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Union, KTB and Harrison Armory should all be separate factions instead of KTB and HA being part of Union.

>>98404948
>the setting assumes you are fighting in the utopian core
No it doesn't anon.
It tells you what the core is like and then it tells you that you're gonna be playing on the fringes

>>98405027
KTB didnt want to be part of Union. They fought a war over it and KTB lost. KTB is bitter about it too, they can still be considered a sub-faction with their own agenda at the very least.

Why make the thread if you're all already talking in your discord?

>>98405033
>totally rewrites my sentence to give it a different meaning

i knew you slimeposters were dishonest but this is just shameful

>>98404948
What gets me is that they open cans of worms and then try to sweep everything away before the players can have access. It breaks down if you start asking reasonable questions. Printers, ansible tech, enforcing licenses, how printers work, it's all technobabble space magic bullshit. Saying the PCs can't do something because some timey-wimey space magic AI says you can't is a shit justification for game design. And while you can absolutely do that, don't insist it isn't and get offended when I call you on your bullshit.

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>>98405027
they are united in the same way the US and China are united: extremely dependent on each other for economic sustainability while also being the number one adversaries to one anothers spheres of influence to the point of near open hostility. the core worlds are pretty much consolidated between each, though all three have internal factions vying for power. its the far frontier that each now is looking to control, particularly the dawnline shore which is farther out than even the long rim but has a dozen hospitable planets that each wants control over. each faction is pretty much one big win from entering into their golden age, its why the book says that even though you are a small team of Lancers in the grand scheme of things, your team can be the ones that kickstart an avalanche of changes.

I dont know how every mother fucker whatever their politics failed to notice that was the point. I will say though the time relativity stuff is so fucking dumb and ived canned it both times ive ran a campaign

>>98405072
Oh I missed the word "if".
>immediate aggression and character assassination
Go look in a mirror anon. Its not thay deep lol

>>98405068
Because, like all commies, you are not allowed to dislike Lancer. Disliking Lancer is against the party line. Everyone must like Lancer. Anyone who has anything to say against Lancer just doesn't understand it. Anyone who isn't willing to play Lancer is just being contrarian. Anyone who isn't willing to accomodate Lancer is just trying to hurt it.

As a result, Lancerfaggots, or niggers as I like to call them. Niggerfaggots if you will, will force their threads on here in the name of the party line.

>>98405104
>they are united in the same way the US and China are united
China and America are two separate states. KTB is a vassal of Union after SecCom rocked their shit. KTB is a part of Union, even if there's some degree of independence because it's so large. They're all still part of the same state, and the only examples of factions outside of the corpo-states (which are also gay and I hate them conceptually)

>>98405044
My point was that since they're a part of Union, there's no major factions outside of Union besides Aun, which is more mysterious and distant and not really a factor since they never finished the splatbook for it. There's no perspective on Union from outside of it, and it makes them feel overbearing and totalitarian. Union is written less like a space-UN and more like the aliens trying to invade Earth in X-Files.

>>98405104
>I will say though the time relativity stuff is so fucking dumb and ived canned it both times ive ran a campaign
lmao same, in my campaign while there is the vanilla almost ftl travel, the locals menaged to create whats basically battletechs jumpships (they are even ran by totally not comstar). While my players are kinda taking this for granted its kind of a mistery how they got it (with union speculating its reverse engineered aunic tech) and it gives the locals enough of an edge that union wont try to just murder them into submission

>>98405268
There's HORUS

>>98405431
Horus is as close as the game gets to an independent faction, but they're not really an independent state. They're like Antifa, a decentralized network of belligerent retards.

>>98405736
Explains the design of their robots, at least.

>>98404340
You could use hecatoncheries or balor to deal damage in AOE zones, or use the flamethrower of genghis as simple AOE damage.Combining the flamethrower with supermassive can be funny, giving it knockback, and since it creates patches of flame, you knock the enemy back into the patches of flame it makes.

>>98404901

the main things I want are

>both damage and control
>minimal reliance on "setup actions" like boost, lock on, or stabilize unless I can tack a billion different riders onto them
>lots of action options

>>98404011
I'll look into it, thanks

>>98406035
When it comes to lock on, you can get it for "free" sort of if you have at least 3 levels in horus mechs. The "Lesson of the Held Image" horus core bonus.
1/round, as a reaction at the start of any allied character’s turn, you may make a Lock On tech action against any character within line of sight and Sensors.

If you are willing to boost a bit (because boost is just extra movement) going into melee is a good way to do aoe without fancy lockons etc. For example the manticore license comes with a range 3 cone pistol that costs heat to use, and it's frame has an ability that deals automatic damage 1/round if you take heat to an enemy within 3, so you run up to enemies and use this, it also has a chain lightning gun, and several hacking actions that do stuff like swap places with enemies, group them together in a pile (perfect for AOE) or try to stun. You can also fire that cone pistol as overwatch, meaning enemies can't really walk past you without getting blasted.

You might also be able to do a grenade chucker build? Grenades always also give you a mine, so you get two variants of the action, so having a pile of different grenades/mines gives you a lot of options. The Iskander or Gilgamesh are probably the main things to look at there?

Do we have a folder with the updated content?
I am still missing some 3.0 stuff and some of the newest homebrews are interesting at least

Hey all, I'm new to Lancer. I've read the core rulebook several times, and think I have an ok understanding of everything. I'm working on my first build and wanted some input from more experienced people. I know I want to use the Sherman as my frame, love the idea of it being a trooper mech, love the GIANT DEATH LASER, love that it can make its own cover. So LL1-3 are easy and done. LL3-6 is where I'm stuck. I'm between the Tokugawa for Deep Well Heat Sinks and LUCIFER, or the Death's Head for Core Siphon and All-Theater Movement Suite. DWHS seems great on paper, but it costs 4 fucking SP, so I'd have to dump a good bit of HASE into Systems to make it fit. On the other hand, Core Siphon fits with no Systems investment, meaning I can up my Hull or Agility, and be able to fly on top of that. Which of these options is less retarded?

>>98404970
They're not meant to be "horrible execution." They're meant to be "on average, they're doing the best they can after the shitshow that was the last admin" which is about the best people can expect but still leaves tons of holes for interesting and fun problems.

>>98406574
I think the whole "we have a bureau of warcrimes that exists solely for the genociding and forcibly conquering isolationist mud(and laser)farmers" thing is a current administration problem, not a "whoopsy doopsy we use to be nazis but decided to be le wholesome chungus commies now" previous administration problem

>>98406554
How much terrain is your GM using? The ability to stick to terrain and walk up walls etc is going to vary based on whether you face a lot of terrain from "useless" to "amazing". The Vulture DMR and Railgun are pretty awesome, but if you want to keep using your laser guns those wont help. You can also consider taking shit that's movement or defensive, since you already have your guns and all, like accelerate/warp grenades from the sunzi.to help advance your team up to firing positions.

>>98406554
Consider Balor 2 for the nanocomp then one level of DH for the mag clamps to go with tactician 2. TL already does unga bunga one shot damage, you just need to make sure youre superheavy actually hits and ignoring cover is the easiest way to do that

dm dropped this bastard on us in session 0. Does this look like a good build for it?

»[ REDACTED ] // [ REDACTED ] «
Scarab Hunter, LL0
[ SKILL TRIGGERS ]
Assault (+2), Hack or Fix (+2),
Survive (+2), Word on the Street (+2)
[ GEAR ]
Stealth Hardsuit, Light Signature,
Medium Signature, RISING SUN NANITES,
Wilderness Survival Kit, Corrective
[ TALENTS ]
Juggernaut 1, Combined Arms 1,
Brawler 1
[ MECH ]
« YMIR »
GMS OROHENA
H:2 A:0 S:0 E:0 SIZE:3
STRUCTURE:4 HP:16 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEAT:6 REPAIR:6
ATK BONUS:0 TECH ATK:-2 LTD BONUS:0
SPD:4 EVA:6 EDEF:8 SENS:10 SAVE:10
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: Shotgun
Flex Mount: Mortar
Heavy Mount: Heavy Melee Weapon
[ SYSTEMS ]
Personalizations, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System,
Stable Structure

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>>98407230
son of a fuck, forgot the image

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>>98407233
shit, it forgot the core system too that gives the whole thing context

the plan is to boost in, ram everythng, grab everything, and just blast everything with a mortar

>>98406514
It gets taken down everytime we post it. I'll set up a cryptography handshake at some point

>>98407230
Seems fine to me. You gonna keep it or ditch it at LL2?

>>98392187
Needs to makes mention of how the artist excesively draws quirky gay minorities as her entire art style and lancer is just an excuse to draw them with robots.

>>98407494
ditch it probably. desu, I don't really know what to do with it once it's grappled everything nearby.

>>98406705
Uncertain, but the GM has access to my disgusting amount of 40k terrain, and if he does the Lancer maps like he does the dnd ones it'll be fairly dense

>>98406720
I did actually think about the Balor, but the GM is restricting access to Horus tech early on, something plot relevant will open it up later in the campaign. Minimizing enemy cover is one reason I was considering flight, and would need 3 SSC licenses

>>98405149
Lancer is a wonderful game about state communism that works. You know it's wonderful because lancerfags tell you it is, and just like the party, they would never lie.
Hence how you know its a mech game because they tell you its a mech game. I mean sure, it lacks everything that makes a mech game a mech game and most of the designs look like guys in suits with nothing to hint its actually a mech when you look at it, but hey, the par- sorry, the lancerfags have told you it is and they would never lie.

>>98394181
I know Queeftopian anon itl, he's said to pass on that he's still on a temp rng ban but the moment it's up he'll be back.
And that commiemod whom put him on it is a 5th columnist traitor.

>>98407703
Honestly sounds like deaths head is fine to plan for, but if you are starting at LL3, keep in mind once you actually PLAY you might suddenly see something cool or realise you want something else etc.
How useful flight, climbing to high ground, heat reduction etc is to you will be something you won't have full grasp on until you've had your build in the field, once you see your weaknesses not just in theory, but on the field, you might realise you want something totally different, like grenades that knockback enemies out of cover or something.

>>98404948
>i understand that thats difficult to wrap your head around.
It's not, but your patronizing smug tone is noted.
>you have to think more like organizations with operatives.
Again, this isn't rare at all. Plenty of games do this well. FFG's Star Wars: Age of Rebellion has wonderful rules and guidelines for playing a Rebel cell (or an Imperial Outpost). Only War, Dark Heresy, and Wrath and Glory all have the same for playing as different Imperial organizations and the hierarchies within. Edge of the Empire also has all sorts of different qrds on the various factions at play in the Outer Rim.

Not only does Lancer have none of this since the default assumption is Lancers are mercenaries contracted by the government to genocide mudfarmers and thus aren't actually beholden to anything (not even RoEs, since warcrime flamethrower mechs are given out at LL0), but they also waste your time going into mundane detail on what color jumpsuit the different bureaucratic departments that have zero influence on the actual zone of play.

>>98407925
>the default assumption is
Did you not read the rulebook? Several of the 20 campaign suggestions included are outright anti-union.

>>98407987
Examples?

>>98391787
Yes, the engagement itt is totally organic and definitely not coordinated. You can tell by the definitely real posts itt.

>>98408028
Number 19, you are religious primitives who joined unions army under false pretenses, and are now turning their mechs against them to liberate your world and exterminate the heretics who took your god and replaced it with a false idol.
Number 9 Clarion Call has you fighting for your nation on a divided planet, attempting to conquer the other continents.
Number 4 dead orbit is about looting a spaceship, with you fighting other raiders and pirates over it.

>>98408046
So that’s three out of 20 then? Or are there more? Cause 4 doesn’t sound inherently anti-anything since the spaceship sounds like it could just be abandoned, and I’m just questioning how in 19 “religious primitives” could work out the controls to such complex mechanical titans

>>98408054
Because they are taught? You join the army?
And yeah, i highlighted the ones where you play explicitly anti-union, plenty don't care either way. But all this proves is you literally didn't read the book.

>>98408067
Yes, anon, I do not have the book, and that is why I am asking you. If I did have the book, I would not be asking for examples since I would read them myself. And I am doing this because I was genuinely curious of these “anti-union examples” you were talking about, but if you’re going to cop a diva attitude about it, then fuck off.

>>98408046
>>98408067
>Number 19
Sounds good, too bad the decs already wrote their magic AI that prevents the Union from suffering any defeat into the setting and also leaves out the followup orbital glassing, if the players do actually 'win'
>Number 9
So it's a planetary war between several local factions. Hardly anti-union.
>Number 4
So you try to take a ship to become space pirates? Again its not anti Union and the moment they decide your a bother they will just delete you.
In exactly one of these 3 the players are explicitly anti big gay commie state, the others are either a small local affair or them becoming some minor raiders, and none of them involve actually working for pne if the, or becoming a, large anti-union faction. In the end none of them result in even a speedbump for the Union.

>But all this proves is you literally didn't read the book.
Funny how this is the default fallback of the lancerfags. "No no no you didnt read the book" even as anons post about stuff thats in the book, or not in the case of actual anti union content.

>>98408039
Yeah, I the way the posts are timed, the quick bumps to the thread before it falls off and the repeating posting styles and themes are indicative of organic engagement by anons.

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>>98408070
Do you think nonstop insulting the game you don't know anything about puts you on some kind of moral high ground when people are annoyed? You act like a cunt, you get treated like one. Anyway since this one was the most interesting I thought I'd screenshot it for you so you can dissect the actual language.

>>98408082
Dude that was my first post in this thread. You’re the diva bitch throwing a tizzy about someone asking questions. Fuck you.

>>98408077
You know there's nothing stopping you reading another thread instead right?

>>98408077
>prevents the Union from suffering any defeat into the setting

but this isnt true. in fact, the ai minds manifested the biggest threat queeftopia ever faced with Ra through their predictions and they had to basically bend the knee to letting Ra do what he wants. it also didnt get them to handle the bug alien crisis well nor the rebellion from harrison afterwards either

theres plenty of real flaws with the setting anon, why go and make up stuff to discredit yourself?

For a sniper, I assume you start with the anti-material rifle and maybe work towards the railgun?

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>>98408213
NTA, but GALSIM/The Five Voices existing at all is probably one of the worst setting conceits possible. The fact that, as described, page 383:

>"All stories that take place in a game of Lancer are, in a way, canon: no matter how far they diverge from this book (or others), they are simply alternate possibilities, filed away on storage racks deep under the Martian polar ice."

I get the initial intention, that it's a way to grant the status of soft-canon to every game played no matter the homebrew or setting differences - but what it then implies is that, since a game is technically just an alternate possibility generated by the forecast, there is a hardline 'canon' for what happens in Lancer and thus, what you do at your table doesn't matter because you're reduced to a prediction. It means that, according to Lancer, your game effectively is of no consequence beyond being used to, once again, used by Union to ensure that they suffer no defeat.

Essentially, what this means is Lancer imposes canon upon >>(You)r game regardless of your preferences. This is annoying, but it becomes much worse when you then factor the creator's politics into the mix. I know, beating a dead horse, commie game lol, et cetera et cetera, but the result is Lancer comes across as a game written specifically to ensure a specific status quo, line of events and outcome regardless of what might happen at >>(You)r table. It means that, even if I don't give a shit about all the shitflinging, by the writing of the book, I am still being used to reinforce Union - and since the creators outright call it "a communist utopia", it means that even if the book is meant to be Union's point of view and Union isn't meant to be perfect, when the game is outright stated to be about acting in DEFENSE of a COMMUNIST UTOPIA, I am not allowed to stay out of it.

>But anon, you can just ignore it
That's not the issue here. I can and will ignore it. The issue is that I am not ignored in turn.

>>98408109
You know there's nothing stopping you from running back to your reddit and discord hugboxes instead of trying to force your shitty ideo- sorry, game here, right?

>>98408213
See >>98408384

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>>98407987
>did you not read the rulebook
They did not.

>>98408384
>understands the initial intention
>kchooses to go full letter of the law instead of spirit of the law
>even then, no where does it say that your game HAS to be one of the predicted timelines
>completely melts down over an intentional misinterpretation
Anon, I don't think your're very smart

>>98408384
>all games are canon because timelines
No one's saying your predicted timeline where you overthrow Union cant be the real one. I can predict that the sun will rise tomorrow and I also can't do anything about it.

>>98408505
I would agree with you, but the specific wording is that "ALL STORIES THAT TAKE PLACE IN A GAME OF LANCER ARE IN A WAY CANON NO MATTER HOW FAR THEY DIVERGE FROM THE BOOK THEY ARE ALTERNATE POSSIBILITIES MADE BY GALSIM". Emphasis on "ALL STORIES". It's annoying that the game isn't willing to go halfway and say "your game could simply be a forecasted possibility, up to you", it makes it clear that by diverging from official Lancer releases, you are making your game a forecasted possibility as opposed to a real event that happened in Lancer's setting. There is no ambiguity in this wording despite the intention, and that's my issue.

>>98408518
When it says that "NO MATTER HOW FAR THEY DIVERGE FROM THIS BOOK", that's saying that official Lancer releases are the hard canon, the true events, and my game is a possibility filed under the polar ice cap.

>>98408541
Yeah, its a possibility from point at which it was predicted, which means by executing it in your game it goes from being a prediction to being a foretelling.
Just because they predicted your game doesn't prevent it from coming to pass.

Also yes, Massif press has books that represent hard canon. True events THAT WERE ALSO PREDICTED BY GALSIM. That didn't stop them from coming to pass either.

>>98408486
>conveniently cuts the context out of the screengrab
Queeftopiaanon was saying he was correct about the lack of currency in the setting when it released. You can't hate slimey communtards enough.

>>98408505
>here is this thing that does this
>NO IT DOESN'T CHUD STOP PURPOSELY MISREADING IT
>but that's what it says it does?

>>98408572
He freely admitted to not reading past the first few pages of the book. It explains why so much of his info is wrong. You're grasping at straws.

>>98408572
>doubling down on intentional misinterpretation
And you call me slimy? You're oozing grease.

traditional games?

>>98408561
Yeah, I know. My issue isn't that, to clarify. Again, my issue is that the wording of the book doesn't match the intention of why GALSIM exists and why that sidebar exists.

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>>98408594
Im coming up with a loot table system for the long rim alt leveling system that goes like this:
After a sitrep, if the story allows you to loot the mechs you get to roll on the loot table.
Every level is twice as rare as the level before it
>level1
50 manna
100 manna
150 manna
>level2
200 manna
300 manna
400 manna
>level3
500 manna
600 manna
700 manna
>level4
A random piece of gear from GMS systems or from any level 1 license
>level5
A random piece of gear from any level 2 license
>level6
A random piece of gear from any level6 license
>level7
Reroll on level4-6 and the piece of gear becomes exotic with some benefit

I havent done any balancing for how much mana or what drop rates are reasonable but its an idea I think would be fun to try out.
I should also put in pilot gear and reserves

>>98408620
Thats a fair criticism anon.

>>98408622
Sorry level6 is supposed to be a random piece of gear from any level 3 license.

>>98408561
nta, but the whole "every game is a simulation predicted by a super computer" thing reminds me of this one isekai that presents its main character as an unbeatable god of death, to the point he could kill things that didn't actually exist. The writer was once asked "Is there any other character in fiction that could defeat Isekai Death God Man?", and his response was "Yes, but such a series wouldn't be take place in the same universe and have to operate on entirely different rules".

It was a response that turned off a lot of people not because it was true, because on the face of it he's just stating the obvious facts that such a dream match would by default not take place in the same exact setting, but because it comes off as controlling. That the writer couldn't conceive of a scenario where his precious death god would actually lose to someone, and therefore would repudiate any attempts to even acknowledge they could be inferior. It's very unlikely that's what he intended, but that's how a lot of people took it. And it reminds me a lot of the supercomputer thing because a lot of game tables feel that their games are theirs and theirs alone, and that the setting is a "guideline" and not a commandment. And if the game's guideline is that all games are only possibilities, that feels more like the game's creators are trying to take ownership of the game away from the tables by declaring them "just a possibility" beforehand, as though the players can't be fully trusted with how they want to handle Lancer.

I do get what they were going for, but I agree that this supercomputer idea was a mistake in writing that they should fix in the next iteration. Don't call everything "simulations" or "possibilities", instead emphasize that with how big the Union is that nobody but the supercomputers have an irrefutable understanding of the galaxy, and every game reflects different chunks of info gleaned from those supercomputers, even ones differing from "canon".

>>98408775
>the next iteration
>xhe doesn't know

how do i capitalize on a size 3 frame that can ram and grapple in a burst 2 with accuracy?

>>98408775
I like where you're going with this anon.
It could be like GALSIM predicts things with near 100% accuracy but translating it's output into something human-readable is nearly impossible to do with 100% accuracy for anything but the most mundane and obvious predictions.

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>>98408813
maybe explosive vents? genghis LL1 system.

>>98408875
what about at LL0? the mech in question isthe following, which is GMS
>>98407233
>>98407316

>>98408909
idk anon, you're pretty limited on options at LL0. What you have is already pretty good. Ram those NPCs prone and skullfuck them with your big-ass sword.

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>reading about what HORUS is up to in the long rim
>horus cell leader's main goal here is to find the horizon collective and interface with an unshackled, but human-accessible NHP
>the goal is to become completely decorporealized
>decorporealization is against RA's first contact accords
>if he breaks the accords he's hoping he'll get to meet RA, who he worships as a god
>somehow he thinks this will go well for him
dude's aboutta get himself smote lol

>>98408586
>He freely admitted to not reading past the first few pages of the book.
>"he didn't read it!"
>"actually he did read some of it"
Keep changing that script my slimey cumrade

>>98409652
Ok greaseball

>>98409652
>>98409696
Now, slimeanons. You can get married, kiss, and have many slimy kids.

>>98409696
>"no you!"

>>98409811
Kek, want to officiate the ceremony anon?

>>98407230
>>98407233
>>98407316

ended up revising this to also blast heat

» test 1 // TEST 1 «
Celebrity, LL0
[ SKILL TRIGGERS ]
Blow Something Up (+2), Hack or Fix (+2),
Survive (+2), Word on the Street (+2)
[ GEAR ]
Heavy Hardsuit, Light Signature,
Medium Signature, Corrective,
RISING SUN NANITES, Tertiary Arm
[ TALENTS ]
Nuclear Cavalier 1, Combined Arms 1,
Hunter 1
[ MECH ]
« SURTUR »
GMS OROHENA
H:0 A:0 S:0 E:2 SIZE:3
STRUCTURE:4 HP:12 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEAT:8 REPAIR:5
ATK BONUS:0 TECH ATK:-2 LTD BONUS:1
SPD:4 EVA:6 EDEF:8 SENS:10 SAVE:10
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: Mortar
Flex Mount: Tactical Knife / Tactical Knife
Heavy Mount: Heavy Machine Gun
[ SYSTEMS ]
Personalizations, Type-I Flight System,
Manipulators

>game plan: fly in, ram everything, grapple everything
>flight system lets you build up 6 heat with overcharge and core power, dealing 3 heat to everything in burst 2
>hunter + tactical knives makes it easier to get into ram/grapple range. them being thrown means you can target a creature 6 away and get 2 attacks in
>mortar and hmg mean you caan keep grapled enemies at arms length while they struggle to make ranged attacks with engagement+prone+soft cover

im debating whether I should drop the grappling stuff and focus on shotguns and heavy gunner to trade some control for damage

>>98395336
Cocaine Idol better have an unrequited crush on Goody Two Shoes Idol. There are standards to maintain.

>>98410649
>There are standards to maintain.
The whole point of communism is to do away with standards and taking revenge on those who are too beautiful or successful thobeight.

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>>98410649
You know she does

>>98405084
>levelling system in a ttrpg doesn't make any sense
never seen that one before

>>98410957
Yeah, it takes a unique level of retarded game design to make the very act of leveling up a scuffed, potentially plot-hole inducing experience.

so did lancer's devs kill your dog or something

Not an argument

Thinking about running Wallflower or In Golden Flame.
Can any anons give me a rundown on either?

is there a way to add damage to every attack? Asking for a friend

>>98411194
As far as I can think everything buffs like, 1/round or the first attack in a round etc.

>>98411022
Wallflower sees you basically head to the world that caused the downfall of the second committee. It will be more "lore tied" than a lot of the other adventures in that your players will learn some shit about what happened a few hundred years ago. It was supposed to have an act 2 and act 3 but one of the devs got hired by wotc, apparently maaaaybe part 2 will finally come out.

>>98411250
I'm still mad. Wallflower part 1 was one of the few campaigns I ran to completion and we all had a good time but it just feels like only Abaddon still cares about the game and he's busy with his comic

>>98410620
No idea what rising sun nanites are.
3 heat in burst 2 will take out grunts, but wont be enough to expose or stress tougher enemies on its own, most enemies don't build up heat on themselves, so pumping out that 3 heat in a burst only matters if either you or a party member is going to apply additional heat.

The ability to grapple things and keep them at range 2 instead of 1 is pretty cruel.
What's your gameplan during battles you don't use the core power?

>>98411262
There are one or two things that really feel shitty they weren't more fleshed out, finishing wallflower and also a splat on the aun are I'd say the biggest holes.

>>98411265

>No idea what rising sun nanites are.
a frankly bullshit pilot item from the adventure the GM is running. +1 accuracy to everything for 1 scene (including mech stuff), then you +1 difficulty until you rest. However, you can just keep taking it becuase its not limited

>3 heat in burst 2 will take out grunts, but wont be enough to expose or stress tougher enemies on its own, most enemies don't build up heat on themselves, so pumping out that 3 heat in a burst only matters if either you or a party member is going to apply additional heat.
it's worth noting that this is at the end of every turn

>What's your gameplan during battles you don't use the core power?
honestly, I'm genuinely not sure. maybe ramming people into walls? I'll probably have a lot of ram attacks per turn by LL3 due to all the ways to do it as a free action

Do you guys have homebrew mechs that you wish were expanded upon?

I played a GMS Hekla many years back which was basically the robot from Ultrakill in the tabletop. It felt like a unique concept and the creator never made anything about it after. Real shame.

>>98411331
Well, you can always play a straightfoward gun character the rest of the time. Like, you have an HMG and a Mortar, so even if you arent rushing in to spam grapples, you could lay down fire and violently punish anything stupid enough to come close with rams and grapples.
But I'd seriously consider for your LL1 to look for something you take SPECIFICALLY to use in those non core power battles. Have two versions of your strategy, and show your GM that, make them have to guess which one they are using, or play in fear of you swapping it up.
Remember that whilst enemy pilots don't have separate brains, the GM does, some items and abilities don't necessarily do a lot, but they make the enemy commander (the GM in this case) have to make difficult choices. For example imagine you play the vlad, enemies take damage for attacking it in melee, you might barely ever trigger that, then realise, it's because they FEAR attacking you in melee. Create a similar situation, where any time the GM refuses to enter grappling range, you punish them.

other than seige specialist and heavy gunner, what does a cannon-heavy build need?

>>98411533
A cannon.
To be honest I think it varies based on what kind of cannons you are using. Some of them do heat buildup, loading, are superheavy etc.

>>98411552
hmg, mortars, and whatever the fuck the iskander is packing

>>98411570
HMG and Mortar pretty straightforward, should just work with those talents. The things you might want to consider are how you are going to get to your firing position (cover, high ground, etc) and what to do if enemy tries to melee you. Though with Iskander you could always just leave some mines in front of you so nobody can get close.

>>98411570
Oh also cannons can have the "supermassive mod" from the caliban, which gives them knockback 1, or knockback 2 if you are willing to give it ordnance. Could get your stub cannon to knockback 2 or 3, or just be used to get aoe knockback on the mortar.

You could just play a mech rpg instead of a 4e hack

>>98408077
>and also leaves out the followup orbital glassing
The last time Union attempted exterminatus, it was so wildly unpopular that they got overthrown and the remnants became Harrison Armory.

>>98411662
What would you recommend?

>>98411272
I find it baffling that we have such a fuckmassive book for KTB that boils down to "Yeah it's Dune again guys, Dune but Italian instead of Arab" but the HA book has been stuck in dev hell for years despite it being MUCH more relevant since it's basically a SecCom rump state.

>>98412424
>Italian
why is dey all KENGZ n shiiet and their slaves is crackas

>>98411662
Daggerheart's Motherboard setting can be homebrewed to use mechs

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>>98412564
If they're dark they're Sicilian.
Pic related
>Napolitan - Sicilian
>Calabrian - Lombardi
>Roman & Turino
t. wop.

>>98412424
Eh, atleast they're using it, so I'm not that mad.
Their Shadow of the Wolf adventure came out last year and it takes place entirely in the KTB.

>>98412828
I thought Shadow of the Wolf was third party. Is it any good?

>>98412766
who is the bald guy

>>98412227
Adeptus Evangelion if you want NGE
Embryo Machine for more of a focus on the maneuvering aspect
MechWarrior 2nd edition for the crunch and detail
Mekton Zeta for a lighter ruleset that still simulates mechs
Engine Heart if you want to be the machine

>>98411847
You are desperately coping by insisting that some unga bungas with a handful of mechs they cannot build more of and have no capacity to maintain or make ammo for and with no ability to even contest there orbit let alone actually leave the planet can somehow be more than a minor nuisance to a multi system mega empire with fleets of relativistic kill ships.

>>98412976
He looks like my uncle.

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>>98412861
1st party.
Its good if you like political intrigue and the KTB.
It also introduces the Tagetes which is one of my favorite frames

>>98413073
Oh yeah just like how rice farmers in vietnam and cave dwellers in afghanistan were nothing more than a minor nuisance to the most powerful military on the planet.
Political will matters anon, *especially* to thirdcomm that's over-correcting for the sins of SecCom

>>98413151
>the /tg/-tes

>>98411401
Ok, ended up changing up this build. I replaced nuke cavalier and combined arms with siege specialist and walking armory. Combined with my mortar, these should let me funnel enemies into place in both short range and melee, allowing me to spam the mortar.

I replaced the flight system with smoke charges to protect me against ranged attacks (since at size 3, its hard to benefit from better cover), and shifted points from engineering into health. This means I'm not going to be able to capitalize on heat generation to the same degree.

» --- // --- «
Scarab Hunter, LL0
[ SKILL TRIGGERS ]
Assault (+2), Hack or Fix (+2),
Survive (+2), Word on the Street (+2)
[ GEAR ]
Heavy Hardsuit, Light Signature,
Medium Signature, RISING SUN NANITES,
Wilderness Survival Kit, Tertiary Arm
[ TALENTS ]
Hunter 1, Walking Armory 1,
Siege Specialist 1
[ MECH ]
« YMIR »
GMS OROHENA
H:2 A:0 S:0 E:0 SIZE:3
STRUCTURE:4 HP:16 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEAT:6 REPAIR:6
ATK BONUS:0 TECH ATK:-2 LTD BONUS:0
SPD:4 EVA:6 EDEF:8 SENS:10 SAVE:10
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: Assault Rifle
Flex Mount: Mortar
Heavy Mount: Heavy Melee Weapon
[ SYSTEMS ]
Ammo Case I, Personalizations,
Pattern-A Smoke Charges, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System

>>98413161
The difference is all the materiel the US left in both locations wasn't loicense locked to be unusable and the US/Blackwater couldn't 3D print more of it on location in 6-8 hours or less. Nor did they have unrestricted RoEs that allowed them to just bulldoze cities because they wanted to replace the population with their own.

That's the funny thing about the Union or THIRDCOM or whatever name it's going by now, they're far more ruthless jingoistic colonizers than even the US at its worst. They make Israel look restrained.

how do hackers even deal damage? Do they just use weapons?

>>98415097
Force 'em to overheat or fuck up their positioning so your allies can mulch them.

>>98415073
>The difference is all the materiel the US left in both locations wasn't loicense locked to be unusable
That's where Horus comes in. They're already supplying one uprising in the KTB with executeables that transform mining-grade mechs into a military-capable pattern group.

>Nor did they have unrestricted RoEs that allowed them to just bulldoze cities because they wanted to replace the population with their own.
Union can't really do that either or their own people will get mad at them and revolt again.

>>98410649
Cocaine idol is just Yani neko and cares for nothing but her next high, like all addicts

>>98415114
>the only way you can defend against the Union is if you're backed by the Union
>Union can't really do that either
They offer their must untrustworthy mercenaries (LL0) flamethrowers and suicide bomber mechs. These are not peacekeeping tools.

>>98415097
heat is basically health, take enough stress and you die the same as if you had been shot, so making the enemy go nuclear with heat is a solid playstyle if you want to actually hack to kill.

like the other guy mentioned you can also use forced movement, impariments and status effects to put enemies in bad positions or make them vulnerable for your teammates to gang up on

another option is a dual build that combines hacking with damaging effects you create like droneswarms, greywash, mines, caltrops, etc

also there are some mechs that have hacks that just straight up do damage, like kobold who has invades that can burn or deal kinetic damage when certain conditions are met

>>98415375
Horus isn't Union. You need to be LL1 to get the flamethrower, and LL2 in a completely different track to get the suicide bomber mech. LL0 players are assumed to be competent and have a fair bit of training and/or experience already.

There is one thing you got right though. The mech-sized flamethrowers aren't peacekeeping tools, they're for genociding the first (corporeal) alien species we found "aggressive foliage management."

>>98415885
Yes and no. For full enemies, heat is health, for grunts it kills them, for enemies with multiple stress it kills them, for enemies with exactly 1 stress, it just causes exposed (which makes you take double damage) personally i kinda dislike this rule and think anything without extra stress should still blow up on the second heat fill. Oh also anything without a heat cap just takes heat as straight energy damage.
>>98415987
I think the fact the players are limited to the big four + horus also makes it unclear that other mech companies exist. In the descriptions of various NPC mechs and similar shit it mentions other smaller manufacturers etc. The framing of LL0 also doesn't really make it clear that you are an "elite" pilot, that customizing your own mech at all is something only those with some experience do, compared to all the normal pilots who just use factory presets.

so, if you use an aoe weapon with heavy gunner, does the AoE only affect the heavy gunner target?

>>98416115
As far as I can tell, you pick any target that could be within the aoe to set the covering fire on, but only that one guy is "suppressed" by your fire. When they move, you attack them as a reaction, and that uses the full attack rules. But its going to halve damage against EVERYthing in the AOE, because you only roll damage once, even though you make separate attack rolls. Keep in mind you can choose to use your AOE at any point in the triggering movement, so make sure they move near their friends before firing your half damage shot.

>>98413161
Rice farmers and Afghans had access to parts, ammo, and training either from the vast stocks left behind, training from communist advisers, or stuff they had picked up. They also had an inherent level of understanding thanks to living in the modern world.
What your doing is giving a medieval serf a machinegun and teaching him how to shoot. When that gun breaks or needs servicing he cannot fix it, when it runs out of ammunition he cannot make more. Likewise, when your ungas mech breaks he cannot fix or replace it, he lacks a magic 3d printer to make another. It eventually gets cannibalised for materials or is stuck in a temple somewhere as a religious icon. Overall loss for the big communist state? Nothing, they can return to strongarm the people, glass the planet, or just wait a couple of generations until the mechs are worshipped, and return as divine emmissionaries

>>98415885
>heat is basically health
Bleak.

>>98415987
All this horus talk has made me realize something. Horus is (supposedly) an anti establishment group using ilegal tech that bypasses regular limits and regulations, right? Why don't they make their stuff infinitely printable instead of the "if you print a new mech the previous one is deactivated" that has the rest of the game?

I know it's to patch up some mechanical stuff (because the way you get stuff in this game is just stupid and they had to patch it up), but it doesn't make sense inuniverse.

>>98416741
Horus isn't really a group, or at least if it is, significant portions of horus aren't actually in the real group. I think what you say is definitely true of the open source hacker portion of horus, but less true for the ones using it to do illegal tech tests, crazed religious nuts, or members of the "real" horus if it actually exists as an organisation and isn't just union intelligence trying to draw connections where there aren't any, plus deluded idiots that think they've joined the illuminati.

>>98416632
The last one is the most likely outcome given the resource priorities and ideologies involved, waiting a few generations. It's also "victory" in a sense for the players. Driving off an invader for a hundred+ years isn't some false victory, if you defeat a dragon in D&D do you think it's false because there are still dragons and one might come to terrorise this village again later? The people alive or free today are because of your actions, and it will be up to another band of heroes or whatever to deal with the threat in the future.

Honestly, I take it you'd hate to play star wars games as rebels, because the empire will always come back.

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>>98416741
It's funny how even a fucking chinese mobile game gets this shit better
>robotic security corp accidentally does a skynet after glowies glow on it
>after a protracted war against it by a nearby PMC, Skynet Inc is dissolved by the government
>all their design patents become freeware
>other security orgs take their scrub trash bots as a base and tack on extra armor or weapons and sell it at a premium
>terrorists 3D print freely available suicide drone bots and use them to antagonize the government
Yet it all its infinite godlike knowledge, the gay antifa AI of LANCER can't even figure out "the best way to resist the government is shitting out tons of suicide drones" and instead builds gribbly EVA knockoffs that it refuses to share with most people because MUH PARACAUSAL TEKNOWLOGEE IS TOO STRONK FOR YOU

Can't beat the Killer Bean, bitches.

>>98416790
The Empire went to pieces though. And any GM stupid enough to pull a “The people alive or free today are because of your actions, and it will be up to another band of heroes or whatever to deal with the threat in the future.” kind of ending is going to get looks at the table, because unless that’s your way of signaling you’re preparing them fir a sequel campaign where they are that band if heroes, they’re going to ask why you’re trying to ruin their ending. The players worked hard for that victory, and a reminder that their victory is completely impermanent in the face of an overwhelming force (unless agreed upon beforehand as the tone of the campaign) is just going to bum them out no matter how you spin it. So, yes. They really would be tweaked if you don’t pretend these nobodies from a hick unga bunga plamet did in fact win so hard they repelled the galactic empire forever, and given how long it took them to get to that point it’d be hard to blame them for being that naive yet hopeful about it.

>>98416827
Nobody is going to say "you stop it for a few generations" they are going to say "the union retreats" and end it there, without worrying about the future. Your logic is as retarded as saying a campaign where you stop chinese spies doesn't matter because china might send more spies later, or that if you stop a disease it doesn't matter because the heat death of the universe will end all life. It's absurdity. Nobody ever solves all problems forever, you achieve a goal.

>>98415885
Heat is way closer to a mana or stamina system than health. Heat can just also kill you if it gets to high. It's way easier to manage heat than it is to manage health.

>>98416947
> Your logic is as retarded as saying a campaign where you stop chinese spies doesn't matter because china might send more spies later, or that if you stop a disease it doesn't matter because the heat death of the universe will end all life.
Isn’t that the logic you’re espousing though?

>>98416947
Anon stop, the person you're responding to is emotionally invested in being a retard
>>98417124
This. There are also a lot of abilities that manipulate heat or that execute/get better/worse depending on how much hear you have. Its more than another health bar

>>98417443
>better or worse depending on heat
Tokugawa my beloved. I printed the whole reactor, I'm using the whole reactor.

>>98417443
Well, fuck you too then, I guess.

>>98416947
>>98416790
This is fucking retarded. If my party stops a dragon, that dragon is dead or gone. Its a significant victory for the land and the party and will be celebrated all over the kingdom. If that dragon is part of an overarching conglomerate of countless dragons that live on many continents any my parties tribal peoples cannot ever get to affect them or prevent them returning and incinerating the land and people then it is a hollow victory that the party knows is meaningless, and ultimately leads to them being dissatisfied with the campaign because they are unable to meaningfully change things or deal a blow against the conglomerate. It's a shit campaign that exists to make your players feel helpless and weak.

>>98417443
Your emotionally invested in defending this mess from all criticism. Out of 20 hooks you provided 4 that do not directly help the union and only one that actually has the players stand against them has a best case result that is an insignificant hiccup in the parties plans and the knowledge that ultimately everything they fought for was pointless, they cannot maintain their warmachines, and the big bad will return when it feels like and beat their planet into submission, or subvert and consume it. It says something that even in the one anti union scenario ultimately results in an insignificant win for the players, and a net victory fir the union

>>98417759
>why the fuck should I breathe air into my lungs
>I'm just gonna have to exhale and then breathe in again

>>98417801
You genuinely are stupid if you’re equating the act of breathing to “Encourage your players to play rebels despite the game itself telling you that they can’t possibly achieve a lasting victory”.

>>98414918
now im second guessing if this even needs to be an orohena. couldn't i just make it an everest and replace the knives with a shotgun for close combat

>>98417801
Queeftopia anon was right when he called your kind slimey liars. This isn't like breathing and complaining about having to keep breathing it's like breathing air laced with toxins and knowing ultimately your going to die if you keep it up. There is no hope for your little anti union rebel group and the players will probably realise it. They win a battle and 5 months later union returns with a fleet snd a round invasion force and stomps your little band. Douglas had the common sense to put the protags in a winnable situation then screw into a no win scenario with underhand politicians and it still had a bittersweet ending with hope as the survivors could leave to a new planet and start again. Lancer doesn't even let them do that.

>>98417993
>Douglas
Meant Dougram

>>98417993
Ok.
>>98417910
Everest also gives you beaucoup action economy

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>>98391787
>>98391787

>uWu i hAtE lEfT cOmMiEs 2 GeNdArS

get over it snowflakes. jezus

>>98417910
Nearly everything can also be an everest. It's the jack of all trades. The ability to grapple an enemy at range 2, such that any threat 1 melee weapons can't be used against you, is unique to this frame, everything else similar in the first party stuff lets the enemy hit you back in melee.
Don't think "couldn't this be an everest" think "is this good"?
Also won't the shotgun still take penalties for being engaged in a way the knives won't? And you can't make 2 separate attacks, just one shotgun attack so worse for multi target or vs invisible etc?

>>98415885
a melee character that heats the opponent the longer the fight goes would be cool

>>98416790
>and it will be up to another band of heroes or whatever to deal with the threat in the future.

amen.

dont know why the other anon is saying

>""ehm ackhually the dragon conglomerate will return"


as if its something bleak and not fuel for another campaign

>>98417801
>communism is as inevitable as breathing, just accept it chud!
Well that's rather unhinged of you

>>98418176
Someone seems to have dropped their upsetti spaghetti

>>98419094
Cause you’d have to be a prick to tell your party their efforts amounted to not even a footnote in history. Most freedom fighters aren’t in it for a “temporary victory”, they’re in it to give their oppressor a black eye they won’t soon forget if slaying them isn’t possible. Which you think the kind of crowd that plays this game would be all for, but it seems not.

>>98419238
The crowd that plays Lancer generally sees Union as a lesser evil compared to the brutal caste system in the KTB, the fascist leanings of HA, unethical experimentation going on in SSC, rogue AIs with aspirations of godhood (or worse, demonhood), certain parts of Horus, and just your run of the mill space pirates and other criminals who just want to be dicks.

>>98419355
Weren’t a good chunk of those caused or incited by the Union in some manner?

>>98419355
>The crowd that plays Lancer generally sees Union as a lesser evil
>>98408384
>looks at pic
lol
lmao

>>98414918

ok, I dropped hunter though since it sadly doesn't work while grappling. I'm debating if I should dump the jump jets too for the same reason

» --- // --- «
Scarab Hunter, LL0
[ SKILL TRIGGERS ]
Assault (+2), Hack or Fix (+2),
Survive (+2), Word on the Street (+2)
[ GEAR ]
Heavy Hardsuit, Light Signature,
Medium Signature, RISING SUN NANITES,
Wilderness Survival Kit, Tertiary Arm
[ TALENTS ]
Walking Armory 1, Siege Specialist 1,
Combined Arms 1
[ MECH ]
« --- »
GMS OROHENA
H:2 A:0 S:0 E:0 SIZE:3
STRUCTURE:4 HP:16 ARMOR:2
STRESS:4 HEAT:6 REPAIR:6
ATK BONUS:0 TECH ATK:-2 LTD BONUS:0
SPD:4 EVA:6 EDEF:8 SENS:10 SAVE:10
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: Mortar
Flex Mount: Tactical Knife / Tactical Knife
Heavy Mount: Heavy Machine Gun
[ SYSTEMS ]
Ammo Case I, Personalizations,
Pattern-A Smoke Charges, Rapid Burst Jump Jet System

>>98419403
fuck I meant >>98418184

>>98419094
>as if its something bleak and not fuel for another campaign
You are wilfully ignorant but let me try and enlighten you:
There is no winning for the ungas. The party has no actual long term victory goal because it is impossible for them. No matter how hard they fight, or try, they cannot affect the Dragon conglomerate. The magic arms and gear the dragon bequeathed them as its enforcers, before they slew it, will rapidly degrade and fall apart and they cannot repair or replace them and without them they cannot hurt a dragon. The party cannot leave their land to strike the conglomerate. The next dragon to come along, or dragons, will butcher them, initiate punitive killings on the populace, then enslave the people and rewrite their culture to one of dragon worship. There is no good end, just a quick victory then inevitable defeat.

>>98419355
Well said. It's like the other guy says, the union sees planets wanting to be left alone as the enemy and its an ideology the fans follow.

>>98417124
most systems dont cause you to explode when you run out of mana or stamina

>>98419094
Funny, because a lot of people complain/gush about how overwhelmingly bleak 40K is on account of Chaos' inevitable victory

>>98419355
Why you always lying?

>>98417124
>Heat is way closer to a mana or stamina
Still bleak

>>98419403
I don't see the point of tactical knives since if your enemies are in melee range, you'd be better off ramming them out of it and then grappling them

>>98419385
Union did technically create RA and are therefore responsible for a ton of NHPs that manifested in its wake, but that was not something anyone could have really seen coming. And besides, RA is not the only one out there, there's another one worshiped by the Aunics that showed up first and a third one that Union isn't even aware of that might not have been created yet but is definitely capable of already affecting reality on some level, and it is purely malicious. Point is, NHPs and other paracausal entities in general would have existed regardless of whether or not Union was fucking around with the Five Voices.

The KTB was on its own for something like 8,000 years before the came into contact with Union, their shit is their own fault.

Harrison Armory is the direct remnant of Union's past sins, so they are definitely something they'd be responsible for, but they're trying to be better now. But the schism was long enough ago that, even accounting for the time dilation BS that goes on in the setting, I'm pretty sure everyone directly involved on either side is already dead and has been replaced by new generations.

>>98419429
Running out of mana SHOULD make you explode. Running out of stamina should give you a stroke.

>>98419530
>and a third one that Union isn't even aware of that might not have been created yet but is definitely capable of already affecting reality on some level, and it is purely malicious
Oh, so it's budget Chaos Gods except gnostic atheist. Yawn.

Why the fuck are rationalist atheists so obsessed with Roko's Basilisk? It's the dumbest shit ever.

>>98419747
They want to feel special in imagining an all-power entity would care about them in some capacity even if to punish them, but lacking a god figure to do it substitute it with a man made AI instead.

>>98419747
>>98419778
>i dont like it!
That's okay anons.

>>98419786
You don’t seem okay with people not liking it

>>98419710
>Running out of stamina should give you a stroke.
More proof, if anywhere needed, that the average lancer fangenderneutral has no experience doing physical graft or exercise.

>>98419747
Something something evil can only destroy never create ~some English man

>>98419747
>Why the fuck are rationalist atheists so obsessed with Roko's Basilisk? It's the dumbest shit ever.

the rationalists are absolute pseuds. They don't really have any sort of grasp of basic logic

what exactly is the point of swallowtail. Every benefit it gets looks like ass

>>98419747
They have about as much in common with the chaos gods as they do any other pantheon in fiction or real-world mythology.

>>98419970
"Non-temporal entity that conspires to influence its own creation and is a being of pure malice" isn't unique to Roko's Ball-licker or nuChaos, but is absolutely popularized by the two.

>>98419941
Ranged support. 20 sensors, can shred enemies from range with Lock On (particularly with Markerlight), and turns invisible for free. The NHP and core power are both designed to ensure you're never on the back foot. There's not much raw power there but you basically ensure that everything is smooth as butter for the rest of your team. Whether a player finds that fun and interesting is mostly personal taste.

>>98419797
Its all good anon.
Is there any part of the setting or game mechanics you do like?

>>98419941
Itz kewl :3

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>>98420076
I like how the Everest looks. It reminds me of the GM. And to a lesser extent the Chomo and Sarga, even if the names are a bit out there. I don't necessarily hate the other robot designs except maybe Horus's which are basically minor war constructs from K6BD, I just think they internally clash with each other too much to be believably from the same setting.

already getting tired of lancer and my game hasn't even started yet. Why is the design space so fucking tiny?