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>>98404189Reminds me of the arguments;>why didn't they just shoot Voldemort?
>>98405563I feel like evil wizards would know and have counter tactics against guns.I have no idea how the magic in harry poter works though.
>>98405563In the 'Laundry' series of books about bureaucratic and Lovecraftian weird shit in the UK, the 'Dark Elves' have magic that would kill people who observe them in that way. They need to fight each other by luring their opponents into traps. IIRC humans figure out some kind of way to send artillery strikes without having to 'observe' the target in a way that triggers the spell, but it's not a slam dunk.
>>98406832They don't, it's just really shittily written slop for kids. There's nothing stopping that happening and it's never addressed.
>>98404189>modern MtG
Reminds me of an argument in a Star Wars recent thread.If there exists metals like Beskar/Cortosis, you only bullets made out of them to kill any Jedi/Sith.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=icTrzUuWlHI>When you miss the first week of a new campaign
>>98409471This works against force users who aren't clever, strong, powerful, or lucky enough to reach out with the force and just grab the bullet, or dodge its trajectory, or bat it aside with their saber.Killing a jedi requires overwhelming their precognition and attention. A single threat that they are prepared for is the best possible scenario for them. Singular threats, over and over, one after another, are barely any better if they can recover from them between each threat.For the best chance of killing a jedi, you need them to be constantly reacting, and you need to throw things at them fast enough to overcome their ability to react. Ideally you use these threats to herd them toward a final and inescapable danger.The Trade Federation tried this in ep.1, they gassed the jedi and sent in droids to finish them off. They made the mistake of applying these pressures sequentially instead of simultaneously. It's a lot harder to escape poison gas when you're trying to dodge blasterfire.Harry Potter wizards are worse off in nearly every regard, as we see their power tied solely to wands and the occasional artifact - and the only artifact we see used in anywhere even approaching a practical fashion is the invisibility cloak. If a wizard knew they were going to be shot at, a simple shielding spell would likely suffice. Taking them by surprise remains effective.The issue with solving the problem of wizardkind with a sniper rifle is that wizards have a great deal many enchantments designed specifically around keeping mundanes from noticing them. If the location is unplottable, you cannot navigate to it or target it. If the area is enchanted to show a different reality, you cannot identify a target. If your eyes glaze over every time you try to focus them on a wizard, you cannot shoot them.
This is what happens when playing with hypothetical made-up things.>t. Karl Popper.
>>98409553Moreover, wizards are capable of withstanding and healing all manner of severe maladies, and they are capable of immediate medevac via translocation. Immediate medical attention can save all but the most horrifically wounded even with purely mundane sciences, and so it is safe to assume that any without significant damage to the brain, spine, or thoracic cavity will survive.Our solution thus requires the ability to:-Bypass memetic defenses-Infiltrate magus structures and properties-Obtain surprise over magus targets-Cause immediate lethal damage to magus targetsI therefore recommend an SAS squib unit armed with high-caliber rifles, potentially with special ammunition including incendiary, explosive, or toxin-laced rounds, ideally paired with a magus collaborator to assist in the infiltration.
>>98409471Beskar and cortosis alloys are far too rare and precious to waste as ammunition. Even then, Jedi have plenty of practice dodging blaster bolts, which travel at near-light speed; they can dodge ordinary bullets much more easily than that. Why are people so determined to try and wank regular slugthrowers into being the strongest weapons in the Star Wars galaxy? It gets so very, very tiresome.
>>98409595>blaster bolts, which travel at near-light speedkeknot in the movies, where they travel noticeably slower than bullets, which you know because their travel is noticeable in the first place
>>98409623Every time a slugthrower slurper says some retarded shit like this, they prove themselves completely retarded and clueless about the lore
>>98409595>>98409623>>98409651>Gentlemen, you can't fight here! This is the war room!Anyway all discussion of this sort starts and ends with the words of Saint HK-47.
If a character can pay for a beskar or cortosis armor, then they can pay for special ammunition too, of course it would not be used by mooks, but by BBGE-tier.Is kyber as rare?But if you don't like the idea of beskar or cortosis or kyber, just ban it from your games entirely.Honestly all this kind of shit reeks of midichlorians-tier stuff, and lore masters/lawyers are sad losers because none of this all really exists, so it is all hypthetical and made-up stuff.
>>98409433Nobody has a loicense for a gun, anon.
>>98409651>THE LORE™! THE LORE™!If they didn't want people to think it worked like that then they shouldn't have depicted it doing otherwise, dumb mousecuck.
>>98409910>If they didn't want people to think it worked like [my retarded headcanon] then they shouldn't have depicted it doing [something it isn't depicted doing]ftfy
>wear helmet with sound and light dampening technology>detonate mega-flashbang which causes ear-shattering noise and blinding light over a wide area>shoot disoriented JediWhy wouldn't this work?
>>98410014>the jedi 'trusts in the force' and manages a one-in-a-million deflection straight back under the chin of your fancy helmet>should've used a squad of droid sharpshooters instead
>>98410014>why wouldn't blinding and deafening an order of warriors who train to fight blind and deaf work?
>>98405563>>98409433Because they're British. Them describing guns as "loud, brutish metal wands that can only cast one death spell" had nothing to do with them being out of touch wizards and everything to do with that being how the average brit regards guns.
>>98409595I blame it on the old Jedi Knight/Jedi Academy games, as much as I love them. Slug throwers in them couldn't be blocked the way blasters could and required really tight timing to properly push the scattershot away from you. It made them the go-to weapon to overwhelm scrub jedi just swinging their sabers recklessly but was easy to counter once you knew the game better.
>>98405563They literally have access to the wizard equivalent of a gun (Avada Kedavra) and they don't use it because "killing is le forbidden". They wouldn't use a gun even if it was available to them. Why Voldemort doesn't use a gun, I couldn't tell you.
The "I really really want to think of a method to kill jedi/superman/elves" nerd is one of the worst kinds because it's too transparent how they've found a way to include their inferiority complex into fandom discussion.Wow it sure is crazy how the number 1 concern you have when watching a scifi show is how the underdogs could possibly kill anyone that you see as a superior, please tell us more, I want to read your tedious forgone conclusion "what if a swat team used a heckin c4 to blow up lord grimnar?" fanfiction.
>>98406832>I feel like evil wizards would know and have counter tactics against guns.Harry once had to explain to Ron's father what a gun is because wizards, especially "purebloods" that have been disconnected from muggle society for generations, often don't understand technology. There's a very high likelihood Voldemort doesn't even know what normal people are capable of.
>>98411311>had nothing to do with them being out of touch wizards and everything to do with that being how the average brit regards guns.Remember that wizards just use magic for everyday shit. They don't need a vacuum cleaner they just enchant a broom. They're backward and more than a little out of touch. As an example, the Weasley family has a flying car but it's sapient. If you put them in a normal car I don't think they'd understand how to drive it, let alone how it works.
>>98411419>don't use vacuums>lack indoor plumbing>think cars are wild beasts to be tamedAgain, this is just your average brit
>>98411476I concede you may have a point
>>98411397One thing I didn't get about HP is how Ron's father, a man who was supposedly an expert in Muggles, knew fuck all about Muggles. But the whole thing about their confusion about Muggles in general also made no fucking sense to begin with
>>98411397Voldemort was a not quite normal orphan in the 1930s until the age of almost ten. He knew what a gun was but magic just was so much better to him.
>>98405563>why didn't they just shoot Voldemort?Because of the Horcruxes. As long as even one Horcrux remains intact, destroying his body only temporarily inconveniencs him.
>>98406832They are protected from the consequences of the muggle world which makes them lazy.
>>98411488I think it was to demonstrate how insular their community is. Characters like Luna or Draco come from generationally sequestered families, the former being a schizo that's somehow always right and the latter being so uppity that muggles and muggleborn are beneath them. The Weasleys live out in the middle of nowhere in a house that makes no architectural sense and rarely interact with anyone outside wizard circles. They use teleportation for logistics and often transportation. They never actually have to be in-touch to function. Hell even the ones born into those families without magic end up getting stuck somewhere nice and quiet where they never have to encounter muggles or technology like Filch.
>>98409471there are like a dozen of those niggas in the galaxy and gorillions of regular niggas with guns and blastersBesides, how the hell is a beskar bullet better than a normal one? Like the properties it has aren't even remotely useful as a bullet. Why would you do that
>>98405563because its England. They don't have guns.also, my headcanon is American Wizards use guns as their spell foci and use handloaded cartridges filled with spell components to cast their spells. tradition is to use revolvers and shotguns because you can load each shell or cylinder with something specific in mind.Typical American Wizard will easily be carrying 2 revolvers, a mossberg 500 and sawn-off shotguns
>>98411496That's fair. A child is more than capable of understanding the function of a gun even if they don't quite understand the gravity of death yet.
>>98411534There are plenty of guns in Britain. Especially when the setting is ostensibly taking place during the latest events of the Troubles and before the Dunblane school shooting that precipitated the 1997 handgun ban. The books are just written by a moron.
>>98409659>Use Grenades against someone who's Telekinetic>Use mines against someone with precognitionHK would get clowned on.
>>98410014Anon. What was the first force thing we see Luke do on screen? Think carefully.
>>98412246Not exactly the same as when your eardrums are suddenly blown out is it
>>98411323Avada Kedavra is also slow as shit and has limited range. You can dodge an Avada Kedavra but you can't dodge a fucking bullet that has better range tooAs many have stated HP is just really poorly written
>>98411397Did you miss the part where voldy was in an orphanage during the blitz? He knows better than 99.9999% of wizards the pure destructive power of modern weapons
>>98412250Okay. So you wouldn't get dunked on by a literal child trying this shit. Good go. You're still gonna deep throat a lightsaber.
>>98412285Nah they'd die
>lol thread>zero lol images beyond the opwtf is this
>>98409748Beskar can just be batted aside thoit doesn't distrupt lightsabers, it's just resistant, meaning it blocks itcortosis is the one that makes the saber not work, I thinkI don't really know why everyone is so fixated on slughtrowers tho, the clones managed to kill almost all the jedi in the galaxy with just blasters.You're not gonna get uberpowerful jedi like yoda with anything because they have plot armor
>>98412268It's been something like 20~ years since I read the books so it probably slipped my mind yeah.
>>98412285HK47 had an entire dialogue tree about killing Jedi in KOTOR2 and it was all very solid. Taking them by surprise or debilitating them before attacking is extremely useful but needs to be followed with decisive action. Gas & Flashbangs would only work for a few moments but even that was valuable when striking a killing blow. HK also stressed the importance of not overplanning because the more you plan the more likely the Jedi will pick up on it with their precognition.
Special bullets that nuh-uh lightsabers won't work because Star Wars is a pulp setting. Lame shit doesn't win. The way to beat a jedi is by being significantly cooler than them.
>>98412335This is important to note because the actual favored mary sues of star wars have always been bounty hunters anyway. Of course a writers pet in the big "why I hate star wars" rantsona game is gonna have a big epic speech about how you can dab on jedi. The only star wars writer who doesn't do this is Lucas himself, which is why star wars has a hundred side stories where it turns out akshually bounty hunters were super cool and epic and totally dabbed all over jedi whenever they weren't on screen.
>>98412435Your overarching point is not wrong, but HK is an assassin droid designed by a former Jedi to kill Jedi. He also suggests targeting valued acquaintances of Jedi to encourage an impulsive attempt at rescue. Silly Jedi.
>>98412449>>98412435You all know there is a middle ground between acknowledging jedi can be defeated with sound tactics that play on their monastic training limits, and that a jedi is still a fantastically dangerous opponent that requires said tactics be pulled off with precision to win, right?
>>98409471Cortosis is a brittle mineral, its too light and fragile for a bullet.
>>98412458Well yeah, that's the point I'm trying to make. Frankly I think droids being the best anti-Jedi weapon is probably a very wise narrative concept. The Force flows through all living things so a Droid is a natural countermeasure. It doesn't have emotions to tip off the Jedi's telepathy for example. The precognition is still a problem but that can possibly be confused or subverted.
>>98412435>The only star wars writer who doesn't do this is Lucas himself He had Jango in AotC fight off Obi-Wan and later easily kills another Jedi master. He does get killed by the very best Jedi fighter, but his genes are specifically chosen as the template for an army of Jedi killing clones who kill like 99% of the Jedi. So I don't think Lucas minded the Jedi killer bounty hunter concept.
>>98412458Yeah. But HK's aren't terribly sound. >Mines vs precognition >Grenades vs telekinesis>Acquantice captives vs "form no attachments" He was programmed wrong, as a joke.
>>98411534So they don't have wands, they have Gundo.
>>98412321>I don't really know why everyone is so fixated on slughtrowers tho, the clones managed to kill almost all the jedi in the galaxy with just blasters.This. You don't need super special powers to kill jedi. Their entire organization got galaxy wide ganked in a day or two and then vader went around doing cleanup.
>>98412528That's why you use them in conjunction with each other. The whole point of HK's monologue was that jedi are a tricky, dangerous foe where one has to exploit every possible weakness personal and general to take them down, not that they're easily dabbed-on chumps.>no personal attachmentsI think every single on-screen jedi failed this one. Even the ones who tried to remain detached and noble would still throw themselves in front of a third party or risk their lives to rescue an innocent because its the right thing to do
