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The Great Edition

Previous thread: >>98299292

>Thread Question:
What is the state of your local wargaming scene?

>Community Summary of Wargames:
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/11JoUpGIRDp5DZdgJ24rijKHgyY-qvvR5QnVtHIp57Tw/edit?usp=sharing
>List of Historical Tactical, Strategic, and Military Drill treatises:
pastebin.com/BfMeGd6R
>/hwg/ Steam Group:
steamcommunity.com/groups/tghwg/

>Games, Ospreys & References folders:
mediafire.com/folder/lu95l5mgg06d5/Ancient
mediafire.com/folder/81ck8x600cas4/Medieval
mediafire.com/folder/w6m41ma3co51e/Horse_and_Musket
mediafire.com/folder/vh1uqv8gipzo1/Napoleonic
mediafire.com/folder/bbpscr0dam7iy/ACW
mediafire.com/folder/bvdtt01gh105d/Victorian
mediafire.com/folder/b35x147vmc6sg/World_War_One
mediafire.com/folder/z8a13ampzzs88/World_War_Two
mediafire.com/folder/z8i8t83bysdwz/Vietnam_War
mediafire.com/folder/7n3mcn9hlgl1t/Modern
mediafire.com/folder/gdvadj7t6l5w6/Aero_Wargaming
mediafire.com/folder/ittx73oyyz7t1/Naval_Wargaming
mediafire.com/folder/6jrcg496e7vnb/Avalon%20Hill
mediafire.com/folder/pq6ckzqo3g6e6/Field_Of_Glory
mediafire.com/folder/r2mff8tnl8bjy/GDW
mediafire.com/folder/whmbo8ii2evqh//SPI
mediafire.com/folder/ws6yi58d2oacc/Strategy_%26_Tactics_Magazine
mediafire.com/folder/s1am77aldi1as/Wargames
mediafire.com/folder/j962ws6h50bqj/Victory_Games
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>Rick Roll Trove
mega.nz/folder/78pF0CYI#Jc2IO8IQVwRDP1Chwr_iGA
>New Trove Link
mega.nz/folder/19kUXC6T#U31scUNwyuVI8cHvX6GIgQ

>Advanced Squad Leader
mediafire.com/folder/d9x0dbxrpjg48/Advanced_Squad_Leader
>AK-47 Republic
mediafire.com/folder/6v39gcjode5ln/Insanely_Based_AK-47_Republic_Folder
>Battleground WWII
mediafire.com/folder/cb83cg7ays4l1/Battleground_WWII
>Battlegroup
mega.nz/#F!SolyxarJ!GUg6zWBStfznr6BvYedghQ
>Billhooks
mediafire.com/folder/v0fhor14frxsf/Billhooks
>Bolt Action
mediafire.com/folder/n7jmdnlv1n0ju/Bolt_Action
>By Fire And Sword
mega.co.nz/#!jxgCWTYD!FCp52DAqIUc-EM-TsRsWv7fB92nJ3kkzKsNcD_urI5Q [DEAD LINK]
>Flames of War
mega.nz/folder/lc1SRajQ#QTDXthNFG-sDoYe08bhV9A
>Fleet Series
mega.nz/#F!i1N3xZxL!C6fQ3Z8o2U0gtk5kdXuVcQ
>GMT
mega.nz/#F!D1dHQZCJ!V9pYq0CUc4iCrNiOcBOBtg
>Hail Caesar
mega.nz/#F!XsVD0KgT!twB1NWiFE3aKXK_O1EZ4pA
>Modelling & painting guides
mediafire.com/folder/7b5027l7oaz05/Modelling_%26_Painting_Guides
>Naval wargaming stuff
pastebin.com/LcD16k7s
>The Perfect Captain
perfectcaptain.50megs.com/captain.html
>Phoenix Command RPG
mega.co.nz/#F!b5tgXRwa!mzelRNrKPjiT8gP7VrS-Jw
>Saga
mediafire.com/folder/alj31go19tmpm/SAGA
>Twilight 2000/2013 RPG
mega.co.nz/#F!C9sQhbwb!NVnD4jvUn5inOrPJIAkBhA
>Wargaming Compendium
mediafire.com/download/cghxf3475qy46aq/Wargaming+Compendium.pdf
>ZunTsu Gameboxes
mediafire.com/folder/yaokao3h1o4og/ZunTsu_GameBoxes
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>TQ
Of the local historicals, the scene is sadly dominated by Bolt Action, and the guy who organizes things is so uninterested in history that he doesn't even bother justifying why two forces are fighting. "It's a game, just roll dice and have fun" is his stance. There's one or two guys interested in Barons' War besides me, so that's something. It's not /hwg/, but we do have a really great Battletech scene that makes up for the meh historicals.
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>>98405168
Thanks OP for cleaning the links.

>TQ.
Napoleonic and WWII aging boomers. Ancientfags and Medievalaboos like myself take the L and seeth.
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>>98405168
Tq
Most likely nonexistent or really good at hiding from fantasy and sci-fi enjoying normies like me.

Should I look into stls of early imperial Romans or get victrix Romans? I’m not sure what the process or programs I can use to make decals fitting for printed Roman shields.
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>>98405249
Perfectly printing decals to match your printed minis sounds like a hassle. Even owning a printer, if i were you I'd skip that work and just buy Victrix minis.
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>>98405249
>I’m not sure what the process or programs I can use to make decals fitting for printed Roman shields.
https://ancientbattles.com/HeroesOfGreece/AncientBattles_Homebrew_Transfers.html
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I'm still waiting for that Victrix irish vs WGA Irish comparison anon promised me way back.
While on that topic, I'm eternally disappointed in that none of the plastic cavalry options have ponies or even just irish hobblers or any of the strictly native to Britain breeds.
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>>98405168
>TQ
I live on a remote island off the coast of BC. The local gaming scene is me in my basement.
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>>98405671
How many of the natives have you kidnapped and forced to play with you? Or do you prefer tourists?
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TQ
From what I can tell from faceache, mainly GW - which I don't mind, but not as an exclusive 'girlfriend' iyswim. I lost contact with my old historicals group of mainly literal boomers because of life reasons (couldn't make club night any more, bleh) and drifted away from gaming altogether bar the occasional attempt at a FLGS and friends (but work has shattered that particular group too).
That said, I've drifted into a modelling crowd who seem at least Bolt Action (and 40k) curious. My WW2 stuff was all 1/72 (if i could even find what box it's in, in the attic. Or possibly garage) but for the sake of willingness and fostering enthusiasm I wouldn't mind redoing in 28mm if need be.
On a vaguely related note, I feel the urge to wear sandals again and keep finding myself looking at Warlord's Hannibal set, for ease of use. At the very least, I reckon there are at least 3, maybe 4 DBA armies I could get out of it, which comes in handy to spread the word, as it were. Not exactly my period (I'm more Imperial) but a start is a start.
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>>98405609
>expecting Victrix to give a shit about horse breeds
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Preview of Northstar's upcoming plastic Hussite war knights.
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>>98405870
These look fun and good for various fantasy purposes.
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I'm looking for a kitchen table ancient skirmish game, preferably no more than 30-35 minis per player - the fewer the better.

When it comes to minis, I have a rather nice selection of minis for Classical Greece cities and Alexander’s army, some random late Republic Romans and Germanic tribesmen as well. I don't feel like starting yet another army anytime soon so I would rather play a game that supports at least some of those factions.

I really liked Mortal Gods but I grew tired with custom dice, unit cards and all this kind of shit and gubbins. I want something more "pure" and traditional when it comes to tools and accessories.
SPQR is fun and simple despite being rough around the edges. It gets bonus points for a wide selection of units and factions. I don't see it as a system good enough to still play it in 3 or 5 years though. Most of my minis are based on round bases and having 4 different facing arcs is quite annoying.
I gave SAGA a chance as well but it lost me for the same reason as Mortal Gods. It's surprisingly hard to have new players hooked up whenever they see something more complex than basic dice and 2-3 types of tokens/markers. Can't blame them though.

I know I could simply brew up all the profiles in Open Combat but I want to play an actual historical game rather than alternative wargame that happens to have a profile builder baked in.
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>>98405638
>Ravenfeast
Imagine accusing SAGA of not being historical enough for /hwg/ only to recommend a game that feels and plays like One Page Rules with 90% of contents missing. It is a fun little game to play with normie friends, rolling dice for the first time in their lives but it has nothing to do with historical wargaming except for the units names.
SAGA while "making absolutely zero attempt at historical gameplay" in your opinion, introduces selection of units that are supposed to represent the stereotypical view on their respective nations, utilises rules and formations that are meant to mimic the iconic characteristics of said armies and comes with historical characters for extra fluff.
I'm actually baffled, how shamelessly retarded one can be to shit on a game while vaguely mentioning aLL ThOsE BeTTeR GaMeS only to not be able to name 1 (one) game that is presumably better when asked multiple times.
I despise you, you fucking elemental of the Dunning-Kruger effect.
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Played my first game of ADLG. I was given some 1066 Normans to go up against 1400s Burgundians.

Burgundians had some cannons which I mildly threatened with some skirmishing cavalry but made sure to stay out of range of.
I hid a bunch of heavy armor, elite spearmen in the woods and sprung them against his mixed pike/bow units, with the resulting melee collapsing his center. His mounted knights chewed up my heavy cavalry but took too long to do it. I killed enough of his foot soldiers and ransacked his HQ to take the win.
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>>98406267
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>TQ

As far as I can tell in Michigan, it's barely around. I have some bolt action fags near me who don't really have any interest in playing historicals. So I get my rank flank fix from old world. I guess Detroit had a scene but that is WAY to far of a drive.
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>>98406027
You're confusing two different anons as being the same person and getting angry about it.
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>>98405168
>TQ
You play warhammer in some dingey store in an 180km radius, drive to Sydney and hope some 50 year old man plays a historical with you in between working his job and babysitting his kids
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>>98406259
>>98406267
>>98406270
Great game and minis, anon.
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>>98406414
This is not plebbit, no one sees your nickname here. If you are replying in a thread like you are OP, people will assume you are OP.
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What models do you recommend for Greathelm? WGA Barons' War foot knights, Victrix, Fireforge Teutons/Templar infantry or something else?
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>>98407495
Really nigga? You just naturally assume everyone sharing an opinion is the same person?
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>>98407534
WGA sells 24 foot knights for 35€, that's 1,45€ per mini.
Victrix asks 42€ for 32 dudes, so 1,30€ per dude.
FireForge wants 30€ for 28 lads, that's 1,07€ per lad.
Now, quality and quantity. How historical you want to go?
WGA is okay, they are decent but not spectacular. 24 knights is more than enough for Greathelm.
Victrix is the best on this list. Amazing selection of fancy bits with enormous catalogue of extra parts and decals available BUT that's the most expensive pack and you have to ask yourself a question if you need so many knights.
FireForge is a sleeper here. Their minis are lanky and the worst when it comes to sculpts quality (not terrible though) BUT that is their advantage in a way. You can slap on them any old bits you find around and they won't look out of place. Their Templar/Teuton Infantry boxes come with 8 foot knights and 20 foot sergeants so unlike with WGA and Victrix, you don't have to buy another box in case you want to to field something less armoured.
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>>98407571
If you reply directly to a response in a thread without NTA then yes, obviously? Is your brain damaged Anon? What's so hard to grasp here? A retard voices a shitty opinion, people ask him to back it up with examples and you butt in with an example that is totally out of place - it's obvious that people will assume you are him.
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>>98407534
>>98407575
>or something else?
Frostgrave has 10 knights for ~20€ but they are strictly fantasy in my opinion. Nice selection of bits, easy to magnetise if that matters for you.
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>>98407586
aren't Northstar releasing hussite wars knights frame couple months down the line?
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>>98407534
Whichever you think look best.
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>>98407575
What about Perry?
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>>98407780
Perry doesn't cover pre-1415 periods. I assumed the question regards only mid-Medieval ranges.
Anyway, can someone post the most up to date rules for Greathelm? I only have the playtest version from months ago.
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>>98405168
Non-existent. Bar a couple close friends, I have to travel around 80kms to get some extra people.
That said, I got a breakthrough. Not one, not two, but three people interested in running some games of Missile Threat. I need not to fuck this up. I mean, they're good people that can endure the tedium of Napoleonics, I can sell them the glory of the skies.
I'm kind of wondering if I should run a baseline Vietnam scenario or going full meme with Lybians in the Med. Everyone likes Tomcats.
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>>98407575
Really, the FireForfe boxes come with that few knights? A shame, I really like their Teuton look. I know there's extra bits for Victrix models to make them more Teutonic.
WGA seems like the most sensible choice, as I don't think I need 32 models for a 12-model game.
>>98407586
Fantasy look is not an issue, but 10 knights per box when I would need 12 is a detriment. Even if I could supply some other random "knightly" models I already have.
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>>98407986
I say go for the ones you find most pleasing, and sell the frames you don't need. People on FB and the like will probably let you offload any mint new frames, especially of victrix and WGA stuff,
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>>98407534
The guy who writes Greathelm has said he built the game around the WGA sprue. All the options on that sprue are in the game, and a lot of the options on other WGA kits also have rules, like the polearms that the Serjeants kit adds. Since there's four sprues of six, the WGA kit is effectively a 4 player starter set for it, since you can give other sprues to your friends to suck them into the game.

I've heard the victrix minis are also really good. Once thing I'd recommend is looking into one of the warband options that gets you a bigger force. WGA has the Barons' War Retinue and Victrix has the Medieval Warband. Greathelm has rules for medium and light armored knights, and the kits for less armored troops are perfect for that, plus buying one of those gives you all the options you need to play Barons' War or some other medieval wargame too. I personally started with a box of foot knights and very quickly escalated so now my medieval warband is a bunch of WGA stuff plus some Frostgrave kits.
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The Northstar plastic Hussite war knights look so fucking good. Sculpted by Matt Bickley who's behind some of the best sculpts on the mini market. Fucking ace.
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>>98408862
Agreed. Those and the Victrix Carolingians are what I'm currently looking forward to
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>>98407469
Ya. I don't quite understand Al the details from just one game, but I like the general feel of it. Opposed roll combat, and unit movement and control is granular enough to be compelling without feeling like a slog. I liked having cavalry that was obligate to charge the enemy inside a certain range unless I spent resources holding them back. Lots of little modifier details.

All the minis are from the guy showing it to me, but since he printed everything he's willing to print out an army. I'll probably receive it end of this month and paint it up over a couple of weekends to have my own force
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Progress on my chateau
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>>98405168
Anything for the of the 3kingdoms of China?
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My 9x5 foot table is beginning to come together
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t est
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>>98410744
Test deez nutz nigga
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>>98410087
Aren't there armylists for that period for DBA? Sorry, it's not really my thing.
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>>98410087
I can't believe I'm saying this: kings of war historical.
I think Hail Caesar has lists too. Pretty fucking dire, I know.
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Anyone know any suitable, and actually fun, wargame rules for 6mm ECW? I have no interest in the ECW but I got a maybe collection of two armies by Baccus for a great deal at historicon
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>>98409004
Sauce on those miniatures? Or are they 3D printed? I also like the paint schemes.
>>98406440
I know how you feel a bit anon. I want to try new things after a lot of Warhammers but there isn't much option.
>>98411170
>kings of war historical.
Isn't that game meant to be a generalist historical rule set even for less popular wars and time periods and locations? Is there a rulebook that does this but much better?
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>>98411252
You just have to find one or two dedicated people to play with and cherish the few games with them. Every time I think I need to play more games I go and try to play a game of TOW at the LGS and I remember how fuckong God awful the rules are and how repugnant the Warhammer community is. Every time I leave feeling like it's actually better to play rare historicals a couple times a year than to play Warhammer as frequently as one wants. Truly a quality vs quantity situation
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>>98411270
I've only played with my friends, and not public games yet so I can't comment on the LGS experience.

On a different and hopefully more positive note, I am curious about ArmyPainter's quickshade dips.
Specifically the dark tone dip.
From searching I've seen results say it is woodstain, but I'm not sure if it is modified woodstain to be less staining than the regular stuff.
And I'm also not sure if wood staining is still a very good method of getting miniatures painted quickly for the table like historical army miniatures.

Supposedly this is an old mini painting technique and I'm not sure if it holds up these days or not.
Anybody here from those days of woodstain shading miniatures able to comment on these products? If good then I'd appreciate recommended dark tone equivalents in Canada that produce similar results. Hopefully in less drying time as I want to ultra matte airbrush that gloss down as soon as possible.
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>>98411362
NTA but I tried to use that shit and don't recommend it, don't know how I fucked it but just stick to normal dark tone wash out of the bottle
>Pic related on the left
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>>98405197
Do you live in Cincinnati anon? Because you've just described the Cincinnati gaming scene perfectly.
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>>98411362
Don't use it
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>>98411252
>Isn't that game meant to be a generalist historical rule set even for less popular wars and time periods and locations?
Worse, it's just a very generic reskin of KoW 2nd edition with many shared units across armies.
But hey you have rules to see to see if Cao Cao* can take on Cuahuatemoc*.
*they don't have rules they're just generic leaders with very vaguely distinct forces
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>TQ
We are a city of 1.5 million spread over quite a wide geographic area, I have:

-1 club within 10 min drive, quite small, around 5 - 6 regulars, play things like Mordheim, Warmachine, WW1 air combat, FoW, Battletech, some 40K or AoS.

-1 club within 30 min drive - my main haunt, around 15 - 20 regulars, mostly play historical games, DBA/DBM/DBR, FoW, Charles Grant's Battle!, Ostfront, the odd naval or air combat game, and a few WRG or older 1970s/1980s Cold war games, and recently a Kriegsspiel game.

-1 club within 30 min drive, I've never been, but looks like they do DBMM, Saga, Fow, FoW, Crossfire.

Then there's a bunch of Warhammer shops and probably some 40K / WHFB clubs around that I'm not aware of. At least one 40K club with like 800 members on their facebook group, but no idea how many regulars they have.

I'm tinkering with some ancient naval rules at the moment, aiming for something rules-lite that will represent the tactics and different nations of 480 - ~394 BC. Stand-in "Minis" adapted from juniorgeneral.org images
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>>98405968
It's more like 30-50 miniatures but you might wanna take a look at Clash of Spears, it's my ancients skirmish game of choice
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>>98411470
Nope, Albuquerque. I do know someone from the Cincinnati battletech scene though.
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>>98405168
A pagan Zoroastrian homosexual Greek military instructor and priest of the imperial cult was teaching a class on Diocletian, known persecutor of Christians.

"Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Diocletian and accept that he was the most wise and virtuous being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!"

At this moment, a brave, patriotic, Christian champion who had been proclaimed imperator by his men 1500 times and understood the necessity of just war and fully supported all military decision made by the Roman Empire stood up and held a document.

"What is this?"

The arrogant professor smirked quite Greekly and smugly replied "the edict on maximum prices, you stupid Christian. The most brilliant document ever written"

"Wrong. If it is so brilliant, why is it disobeyed even on the pain of death? Meanwhile Christians willingly face death in obedience to the Bible! "

The instructor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of de re militari. He stormed out of the room crying those Greek crocodile tears. The same tears Greeks cry for the "legitimate heirs of Alexander" when they jealously tried to claw justly earned land from the deserving Romans. There is no doubt that at this point our instructor wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist. He wished so much that he had a sword to fall upon in embarrassment, but he himself had handed it over to Rome in subjugation!

The students applauded and all accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. A dove named "Paraklete" flew into the room and perched atop the imperial standard and shed a tear on the chalk. The Lord's Prayer was read several times, and Jesus himself showed up and enacted religious freedom across the empire.

The instructor lost his titles and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague and was decimated for good measure.
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>>98414837
I didn't get it
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>>98416547
Found the Greek Zoroastrian homosexual. Bet it plays Mortal Gods!
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>>98406027
As the guy who mentioned Eavenfeast & Dux Brit, and I don't play dark age skirmishes at all, I did once read Saga and it looked like Yahtzee but with miniatures on the table and special dice, so I'd expect there must be something more historical.
What kind of historical account do we have for small actions in that period? Icelandic sagas?
It's a long time since I read The Battle of Maldon, but it might be small enough to count?
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What are the best black powder eras to skirmish game?? I have an itch that only black powder combat can satisfy
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Is there anywhere in the states with a good historical scene? I moved to the east coast and im still forced to play warhammer or drive an hour for bolt action
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>>98411252
The minis are all printed. I don't know where he gets his minis. I do know he does quite a bit of his own digital sculpting/adjusting of minis to make them fit the really specific historical factions.

I asked for Swiss and I know he's currently making adjustments to exists files to make them more Swiss looking (I'm not nearly as well historically versed so I have no idea what he's adjusting)
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>>98411362
I've had bad experiences with Army Painter tones. I'm not generally a fan of dipping or all over washing, but if you do it you can make your own from ink+flow aid+filtered water. Lots of recipes on YouTube, play with it a little in small batches and then you can mix up a big bottle.
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>>98418878
Florida, for some reason.
Possibly the boomer density.
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>>98405168
My dad bought Normandy 44 for us to play together. We got it out and started learning the rules and talking up WW2, why so and so rule was in place and what it modeled in the real world. We even got the unrelated but excellent book by the same name to read. But then he passed before we could play and I don't think I will play it until my children are grown and can play it with me.
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>>98418602
I welcome any recommendations as well. I'm working on a Zulu army to match my gf's Brits but she is more of a skirmish player and due to our work schedule we have a strong preference for playing multiple short games over a single big game that can take days to be finished.
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>>98414837
Kek. Top tier reference and pasta.
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>>98419265
>wargaming with a woman
I genuinely can't imagine a more unpleasant endeavor
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>>98419498
I can, it's called conversing with one
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>>98419498
>>98420255
Imagine people getting stuck in a relationship with a person they hate to spend time with or share hobbies with. I pity you, golems.



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