Previous: >>98409443Silly Edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Gay Bolashttps://files.catbox.moe/823tpq.png>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>tqDo you run any cards for their art alone? Alternatively, do you run any cards with goofy art?
>>98414264>Do you run any cards for their art alone?I run built this deck because I like the art.
>>98414296That deck is so white it's banned by the ADL.
>>98414296holy SOUL
>TQI built Evereth, Viceroy of Plunder because I want to have sex with him/her still don't know which one it is
>>98414264I run this card with Phylath and there's a hand with this in that gets me a crazy start (for a Phylath deck): T1 Mountain, Orcish LumberjackT2 Forest, Rampant Growth for another ForestT3 Tap all lands for RGG, tap lumberjack to sac a forest for antother RRR, play Phylath and get two plants, play land for turn triggering Phylath's landfall
>>98414360Evereth is a woman
>>98414407ok, someone here said he at one point referencing her so I just thought I was wrong this entire time
>>98414296That deck is so white it needs to check it's privilege.
Posters who need to die:>swordbro>gay bolas>souls proxy poster>coomer proxy pajeet>troski>rog'sai larper That's all. If you are on this list do the world a favor and kill yourself.
>>98414421I'd like to add the 30 starting life guy.Also, it's bloodborne, not souls, unless you mean someone else.
>>98414421No.
>>98414473goblin sexoooo
>>98414473Male Goblins should be femboys and female goblins should look exclusively like this
>>98414421hey now what's your issue with a cedh deck that is bound to be #1 again once jewlotus dockside and crypt become GCs?
>>98414534So just green elves?
>>98414421>not on the list because I play more games than I post on here each week
>>98414264I only use waifu commanders
>>98414562>>98414421I forgot you. Kill yourself
>>98414554yes
>>98414264>boytheyshurearemad.jpg>actually checks the gay bolas link for shits and giggles >its just whatever this is idgi? The worst part is the use of "smilingly".
Would death and/or exile (blink) reset the creature he reanimates?
>>98414580she cuteand yes
>>98414554Welcome to sexo design for fantasy races.
>>98414554green fun size elves specifically yes
>>98414572At this point its just a vibe check to try and gate keep the annoying retard(s) out of the thread.
>>98414572>and people continue to ask why nobody likes the mtg story and why wotc went for UB
>>98414587Thats a chick?Wizards really need to start putting pronouns on their cards.
>>98414587I checked and ofc>ten years ago, her wife plunged into the Sotheran supervoid
>>98414604oops wrong picture, what if it's like this
>>98414534Generally speaking, yes, but I do also enjoy the ugly as sin goblins from Lorwyn
>>98414655Correct. Every character must have its sex and race be unidentifiable and be some form of faggotransbian.
>>98414656you WISH wotc could make a legendary like this in (((current year)))mind you this was way back then and this was the closest they got
Hehe...
>>98414662I dont mind lesbianism, as long as they are hot.She looks like she knows her way around a boner.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98414296I didn't know there was SOUL like this
>>98414264I like this garbage card with my garbage commander
>>98414721That garbage card isn't even bad though.
>>98414726Its not horrible but I guess I think it is bad because there are several cards that do the same thing but better. It actually winds up dead in my hand a lot too where other versions can do art/enc/land or all
on a scale of 0-2how salty is this card if I have it copied with muddle
>>98414264Tellah's showcase is so much better with that aurafarming art vs his normal one that it was the major push in me building him
>>98414721Here's a garbage picture of it even. One 'small' problem I can't find my Shatotto, Tactician Magician that is supposed to go in there...
>>98414788Every time someone says muddle I think they mean Muddle the Mixture and I get confused as hell for a second. Also not that much. If I see muddle in the command zone I've been holding removal for something like this before you move to combat.
>>98414473Goblin lovers are just closeted pedophiles
Any b2 Y'shtola combo i can include to not bore the pod to death?
Land denial is a nono-square, but shutting down a whole deck for 2cmc is fine.
heh-ohshit
>>98414922>Help me build the most brain dead commander printed in the past 5 years! I've tried nothing and I'm all out of ideas!
>>98414915short stack haters get the rope
>>98414930Tap your mana and play your cards from your hand like an honest player next time
>>98414930at least it's not an artifact
>>98414930I love playing with this card. By the time they end up removing it I just bring it back with Sun Titan.
>>98414818>killing muddle on sightWhy wouldn’t i just play kefka if its kos?
>>98414922go for good old classic of basalt with rings and exsang/torment and/or exquisite sanguinelike its hard to go more goodstuff even if you don't go with her damage triggers
>>98414955I didn't say I would kill it on sight. I'd kill (or rather, attempt to kill it, you are in blue) when it was about to do something degenerate.
>>98414264Is this going to be unfun, assuming it's even playable?https://manabox.app/decks/AZzxo_HpcH-ym75AJBmqww
>>98414960>go for good old classic of basalt with rings and exsang/torment and/or exquisite sanguineYou mean with Teferi and displacer cat? or wich one?
>>98414473I know he used to post on gif so he does go on 4chan, so... are you GoblinEnthusiest?
>>98414980I am not.
I have Phyrexian Obliterator on my field and use a Fight spell to make it fight another player's 7/7 creature, killing itself. Does the other player still have to sac 7 permanents even though it was my spell that caused the damage to occur?
>>98414421>souls proxy posterqrd?
>>98414974you niggas don't know basalt monolith and rings of brightheart?
>>98414969There doesn't need to be nudity to be porn. Overly sexually suggestive and lewd is still porn.
>>98414667
>>98414984I guess that makes sense. Rhe art style isn't the same at all. Also they don't have crotch bulges.
>>98414667It's wild that my LGS happens to have a foil of this random invasion rare.
>>98414986Yes>my spell caused the damageNo, the opponent's creature caused the damage.
>put in 300 dollars for a bracket 4 deck? Nope! >put in 300 dollars for treating a shoddy bracket 2 deck with alt arts?Yep!
>>98414995>Some of them aren't even borderline, they're just straight up pornWhere's the line? I figured nudity would be it, in which case they are all on the border. Certainly it would be required to be "straight up porn".
>>98415014Well one is fun, there other isn't, so yes.
>>98415020I just told you the line.
>>98415024I fucking love my scuffed to shit angels deck, bro
>>98415054he cute
>>98415014That's not very much money to me
>>98414990Damn i just saw it. Does it really comes often?
>>98415054my friendmy enemy
>jund landfall goodstuff player convinces other two players I'm the problem because I'm playing blue>have to spend all my resources just trying to stay alive because I'm being 3v1'd>once I'm dead neither of the other two have a hope of keeping up with the jund slop pile and he winsIt's all so tiring.
>>98415061In the grand scheme of things? NopeFor cardboard? Yep
https://moxfield.com/decks/jXQIlmq9mE-0hczRzcK52wwhat's the wincon
>>98414995Careful now. You're about to make me take it too far.
>>98415047>tribalshitNm, I take it back
>>98414656Ohhhh, the top one's fake.
>>98415038That's not a line, it's not solid enough to be a line. You literally said "overly" which is as vague as it gets.
>>98415062its pretty damn telegraphed since you need 8BB and 3 cards if you want to do it in one turn even if you're in colors that can tutor any part of it even with the bad tutors. Mana neccessary to fire is even higher if you want to mistrise to prevent counterspelling on the finisher. Like that's pretty mid-B2 as far as combos go even if it doesn't take your commander to be cast
>>98415089>Overly doesn't mean anything Yes it does you fucking retard. If everything you make has to have giant tits and ass hanging out all over the place, it's ovely sexualized and porn even if there's not vagina or nipple shown. This is incredibly simple.
>>98415142Overly is not specific. It just isn't. I'm sorry you can't understand that.
>>98415077You aren't funny or clever.
>>98415087Cool, stay the fuck away from my pod
Do you think it would ever be possible to get a Voltron strategy to bracket 4 power if you played something control/pillowfort alongside focusing on commander damage?
>>98415153You're so serious. You need to relax.>>98415165As long as you can get it to work before people combo out, anything is possible.All you need to do with play godo and get helm of the host on him as fast as possible and you're technically voltron. Godo helm is a CEDH deck.
>non foil of this drop is the only one sold outDamn, did they finally learn to print more lairs?
>>98415193>may gain controlThis a group hug set?
>>98415204It's Stardew Valley bro
>>98415193I didn't even know it came out
>cast wedding ring>get 10 cardsthis thing is insane actually
>>98415165I think slicer is really good, and he works pretty well with voltron strats
>>98415351It's great when your "spouse" has Sylvan Library. You get to draw three cards with them but don't have any rule that punishes you for keeping all of them like they do.
>>98415351>Put it on a person who was playing sephiroth>hfw he realizes his main kill combo will never effect me at all, and he doesn't have a way to remove an artifact while filling my hand too.
>>98415370>>98415351My favorite thing to do is use Sculpting Steel and force myself in."Sup, buds. We's a polycule now"
>>98415351I have one in one of my boros decks. Using it with a wheel (cast at instant speed on their turn) is hilarious.
>>98415378I should give out wedding ring copies to everyone.If everybody scoops I win.
>>98415371Parallel draw isn't going to stop sephiroth dumbass
>>98415412No, the life gain will keep you neutral though.
>>98414572>AI dashSo does WotC use AI for the stories now? Surely ChatGPT can make something better than this.
>>98414996unironically doesn't count as that's a D&D character, mtg's art style is about women being ugly foids
>>98415412dummy
>>98415423Shit, is there a commander with this kinda setup? It'd be hilarious (in a stax sorta way) to give it hexproof/indestructible and just sit there and gloat about me being unkillable against all of my friends' lifegain decks
>>98415485While we are at it.
>>98415536>Showing the one card where it’s legal in Commander and the text includes “infect” and the text includes “can't be blocked”
>>98415540Was looking through unblockables for this dumb thing.Second choice after the invisible guy with hexproof.
>>98415557Ah yes I'm reminded of my dream of having some super cool equipment in the command zone with small/dispensable unblockables. A shame the idea never happened, we've only had incredibly mid options like these for years. One day they'll allow "equipment that can make legendary creatures" and I can finally have the Elbrus deck I've always dreamed of
Holy shit some actually good fucking Dwarf cards that aren't just Magda tap fodder. Based set. Based Tolkien
I'm only in B3/B2 games usually. Having this in my monoblack deck would get me DQ'd because as written her ult is a MLD, yeah? Even if it would be supremely wack to even have her survive long enough to cast it, just the possibility means I should find another planeswalker to slot in
>>98415640That's going in my Depala deck.
>>98415702If anyone complains about her, call them a faggot ass bitch and play her anyway.If anyone is playing anything near B3, they can handle any Liliana.
>>98415702Most people -4 her right away but when my buddy plays her we just gang up on him for a bit. Never see her ult go off.
>>98415702Anyone complaining about a planeswalker's ult in a fucking 4 player game needs to seriously reevaluate their life. ESPECIALLY a 6mana walker in a fucking monoblack deck. Unless you're playing the biggest fucking control/stax/prison setup it's going to die very quickly regardless of how hard you try to keep it alive
>>98415540Have you looked into Phyrexian Crusader?Not technically unblockable but he gets through pretty easily and first strike+infect is a good combination. As a 2/2 he can fight a 3/3 and survive.
>>98415717I love all things Infect, of course I know about him
>>98415704>>98415715>>98415716That is indeed what happened I got 2 creatures off the board for everyone else but the next guy just dropped a hasted thing and killed herThey just messaged me after the game about her -9 being B4 territory
>Drop down Sword of Hearth and Home>Rakdos player ignores it because its protections don't do anything to him>Play Eight-and-a-Half-Tails and equip him>On his turn he tries to kill 8.5 with some black kill spell>Turn his spell white>He tries to destroy H&H with some red destruction spell>Turn his spell white and give the sword protectionI don't know what his plan was but it didn't work.
>>98415733Tell them if they were able to kill her that easily, that's not B4. If she is able to get her ult off without you running full stax or some sort of Proliferate shenanigans, they fucking deserve it with their B1 decks.I run her Japanese version in my Grimgrin deck. I'll explain what she does when I put her down and then never again. I'll just say I'm only going to tick her up to get sac fodder for Grimmy (usually true).
>>98415733>They just messaged me after the game about her -9 being B4 territoryTell them to suck a bag of dicks
>>98415733Proof number 9821438548766663 that brackets don't work
>>98415733Every day I find fresh evidence of being one of the few people on the planet who understand the difference between stuff like Armageddon and a walker's ult like that Liliana and Ajani Vengeant. If you're not running some mass/infinite proliferate to ult it the turn it drops, then your pod is irredeemably bad for letting a fucking ult pop off after like 3 fucking turn cycles
In case y'all were interested, then dude who drew the Goblin Storm arts has some of those arts as prints for playmats. The pre-order ends on Monday.
>>98415826Not a fan of his art style
>>98415832Same, it's way too tumblr/cal arts for my taste
>>98415703depaladoubters in absolute shambles right now
>>98415861nta but I built her many years ago and I've never regretted it. she's aged like a fine wine
>>98415746Got a List? wanted to build this fox for a while.
>>98415861Depala was always pretty jank because vehicles are a pretty jank mechanic. Still one of my favorite decks to play.I did add Magda and she did make it a lot stronger. Being able to just tap out all my untapped dorfs to crew a random vehicle on my last opponent's end step just to get a bunch of treasures is pretty nice.
>>98415703I built her and took it apart. I leaned too much into vehicles, maybe I'll revisit it with more of a dwarf focus.Friends hated me looping pic related though
>>98415900I've kept mine Vehicle focused with a bit of a lean towards some artifact/colorless goodstuff.
>>98415900Whoops
>>98415826Adventure Time ripoff bullshit
>>98415864He's just one of my 99. He's kind of on the weak side, but I like to keep him in because he can do a lot of funky and weird stuff.
>>98415900>>98415703I'm just going to make and throw gold at people
>>98415953tiny aragorn
>>98415870>vehicles are a pretty jank mechanicVehicles are one of the design team's favorite card types and they constantly try to cram in as much vehicle support as possible per set. They're not cedh territory (yet) but they're far from unplayable or weak nowadays, and they're guaranteed to get continual support for at least 2-3 more years.
>>98416001Vehicles are gonna get some hella spicy stuff in Titanbreach I bet
>>98416001I don't dislike vehicles in any way, and there are some I love, even from UB. But the fact that you need to keep SOME shitters around to crew them through your turn and all three of your opponent's turns make them not the best around.But like I said, Depala is one of my favorite decks to play, even if it doesn't win very much.
>>98414421>>souls proxy posterHe's harmless
>>98416019They're all harmless. If you are "harmed" by any of them you are a bitchmode retard.
>>98414421>souls proxy posternah you're gay
>>98416016This thing is immune to so much shit it might as well be God.
Every vehicle deck I've built has been terrible except abdel
>>98416051>Build a dogshit archetype>I can't believe this is shit
>Vehicles with effects when they're non-creature artifactsCool, the option of turning them into creatures w/ crew is additional versatility on top of beneficial effects>Vehicles that NEED to be crewed before they do anythingKinda lame, that's just an additional cost you need to repeatedly pay...>The fact Titan Breach mechas are probably going to be vehicles that need to be crewed, and we're going to get more pilot tokenszzzzhave some cat piss
>>98414922No. If I see that shit in the command zone, I don't care if you give me the whole "I'm not like the other girls teehee," I'm going to be bored immediately and assume it's either combofaggotry or pseudo-storm underneath control. You're not special or unique, you're just a faggot that wants cheap wins whose too much of a pussy to just build a higher bracket or own up to potentially being the archenemy.
>>98416097>Titan Breach mechas are probably going to be vehicles that need to be crewedI imagine a good chunk of them will be like that. But I hope that Shorikai will be like a roadmap for them to follow and guide future mecha vehicles.
>>98416051It's shit but I like Sydri.
just saw the old one was at the bump limit, its almost like GōtC brain drain influences the thread limits...anyway reposting this question to the Goblin Gooner:>>98413908brosephus what is that device for tracking the game state? that is awesome. and I was watching some old tournament videos and the judge at the table was putting out mana pool cards with dice and it looks like you have those here too. why am I just now finding out about mana pool counters
>>98416129Just type in "command zone" in Etsy or other sites, you'll find dozen of different versions of that kind of thing.
https://moxfield.com/decks/4O702qSEnU2TGjLdbYUlgAredpill me on greasefang
>>98416151>playing pioneer in edhbasedwhy erode and not push
I don't see anyone complaining about the first Commander product since Commander Masters being a Secret lair / Con only thing.Do people just not care it’ll be unavailable and scalped to death?
How are there only 2 witch-maw commanders and they are both the same "person"?Thought this format is at least 2 decades old or whatever.I heard a cheap mana base will fuck me over with a 5 color commander?
>>98416247>I heard a cheap mana base will fuck me over with a 5 color commander?Not really. It's not 2016 anymore. There are a fuck ton of good dual lands that aren't much.
>>98416107I hope they give us another Mechtitan style card
>>98416247a) nobody calls 4C those names except tranniesb) wandering minstrel is the king of cheap mana base
>>98416256>a) nobody calls 4C those names except tranniesWrong
>>98416253>another Mechtitan style cardGod I fucking hope so too. It's such an obvious and cool direction to take with the theme that it would be insane if they didn't try it more. Those and flip transformations.
>>98416227didnt even hear about it until today but thats dope AF. hope we get future sight basics in this finallyjust opened 2 mystery booster 2 packs today, pulled. a future sight pact of negation, was pretty dope. lost money on the 2nd pack though but thats gotta be my favorite product in a very long time zendikar ill put a box of this as a SLD on credit without a doubt
>>984162475 color you need to play green predominantly and stack the deck with finding basics of the other. color. no matter what the dominant colors are, make sure you have at least 2 basics of each typemake sure you have fetchable duals with the basic typing (even if they're the tango lands "enters the battlefield tapped unless 2 or more basics...) but has the basic typesalso theres no reason not to run the OG duals they cost $3 a piece and are identical to the "real" onesif youre low power its OK to run evolving wilds/terramorphic expansealso you need mana dorks. again leaning into green to get your 5 color mana base Birds of Paradise. 10 dollars for any version that might be a little beat up or again, $3 from a reprinter. llanowar elves. Myr cycle for other colors. Ignoble & Noble Hierarch
>>98416227I'll just proxy if it looks decent. There's zero need to play the scalpers game anymore (opinions of tarded paypigs don't count).
>>98416262mb2 fav product since OG zendikar**
>>98415702>>98415733reminder that liliana's ult says "each opponent" which doesn't meet gavin's mld definition
>>98416051Because even after all these years, there's still not enough great vehicles to build around. It's either prohibitively expensive mana cost with crew 1-2, or 1-2 mana cost and like crew fucking 8. There's not enough low mana cost + low crew + good ability stuff that actively helps you/builds your game plan
>>98416310it's really just the issue of requiring creatures
>>98416316>>98416310here's my dumbass idea for vehicles sram as the commander mono white auras like shelter by ghosts and darksteel mutation for removal and then like 20 hare apparents and then all the best vehicles and cost reducers for fun.
>>98414421just add em in
>>98416197Are you making fun of me
>>98416419holy based>>98416433not you, just that pioneer is a meme
They shouldn't make cards that only go in the aids bracket look so cool.
>>98416766The problem with MLD is that people are too irresponsible to use it correctly as a wincon so it has to get quarantined with the other degenerates.
>>98416799But what if I am the exception to the rule? What if I am really cool and smart and attractive and know how to actually use mld? Does that mean I get to run it in bracket 3 or maybe even 2?
>>98416817I'd allow it at my games if you could list atleast 2 examples where you'd MLD as a game winning play instead of slowing down the game for no reason.
>>98416819I think it would make more sense if you came up with the scenario and I'd argue whether or not I would pull the trigger on geddon because otherwise I could just come up with a situation where I am so far ahead that it would always be the correct choice. That being said, I reckon I would use it much like I use Sire of Insanity in my Hypergenesis deck, which is as a disruption tool when I have put myself in a situation to benefit the most from the board remaining as it is. I also play Cataclysm in my Brago deck and almost only fire it off if I can get a bunch of my guys in a parallax wave/ghostway/eerie interlude and then lock people out by bouncing/destroying what little they have left with the etbs I have lined up.
>>98416867Yeah using MLB to "win more" is perfectly valid to me. If you're so ahead on the board that turning off lands for 2-3 turns gives you the win for sure I'd say go for it.I'd kick you from the group if you tried to MLD because you're only slightly ahead or doing it to stop someone from winning on their next untap if no one else has a win lined up. Game's gotta end at some point after all. We're not here sweating for wins.
I made it printready and ordred it.
>>98416819shit is there a wincon for deleting all lands? are there any cards that say "they lose life for every land they *don't* have", like The Rack but for lands?
>>98416902Best I can do off the top of my head is Prince of Thralls into mld or something.
>>98416906fuck, what I wouldn't give to have him in the command zone. play that into Jokulhaups or something would be incredible
>>98416902I wish, but no.I think the best "wincons" that work with opponents lands are shit like Price of Progress that actively want your opponents to have a bunch of lands out.
>>98415702Its cataclysm, so yesIt would be the same if I ulted venser and exiled each permanent you controlled.
>>98416817yes, bloodmoon goes in every sub 3 color red deck
Fellas, if I cast a Sunderflock with Reflections of Littjara in play the Sunderflock copy doesn't trigger when it enters, right? It makes little sense to me that "has been cast" would be a property that can be copied but I'm not entirely sure.
>>98416799Trolls exist in every game. I would deal with MLD trolls playing a chaos deck every once in a while if it means I get to play my stax decks in the only brackets people queue for.
>>98417038Nta but I would argue that the problem with MLD (or other "problem" cards that draw the game to a halt like farewell) isn't as much malicious actors as it is dumb people who don't know how to leverage these cards in a way that allows them to actually win the game
any creature should be eligible as commander, legendary or not.
>>98416902>>98416906This is the only thing that comes close
>>98415088Nah, both parts have a brain in her case.
>>98416817>But what if I am the exception to the rule?everybody thinks they're the exception, but you're not him budwhat's funny is that there are workarounds to gavin's definition where you can *technically* run mld to win games (even funnier this was discussed earlier in the thread), you just don't want to make the effort and just want to abuse cards like blood moon which is no different from the guy who can't let go of rhystic study and demonic tutor
>player asks if she can use proxies>plays and esper sentinel, of course>"do you pay the 1? do you pay the 1?">protection-from-everything value engine that makes no effort to progress the game>another player plays prismari, everyone panics because all his spells have storm now, oooooo scary, like there's any threat of him untapping>no one cares that I've got a bosium strip, a caldera pyremaw, all the mana I could ever need, and commented on how I finally managed to fix my graveyard order so it's just instants and sorceries on top>send everyone to the shadow realm without even having any spells in handObscure cards that people don't care about win you games, apparently
>>98417146>she
>>98417067I will take that too, I will suffer idiots king making if it means I can play my stax deck more than once a blue moon
>>98417168what's with your stax deck that makes it "ineligible" for b2? (doesn't matter if your pod hates it, anyone can hate anything for any reason)
>>98417175Braids, contamination, infernal darkness, static orb, bunch of other MLD as well. Slow the game to a crawl so people can't respond to braids and smokestack them out.
>>98416419This implies that they are powerful
>>98417190they derailed threads most of the time so I'd say so
>>98416419"Green is boring" seems like it should be blue.Quality meme otherwise.
>>98417146>I had over 10,000,000 mana and won the game! Also I was within six feet of a girl!
>Reading the card explains the ca-
>>98417300wow cool skeleton
>>98416227As a proxysattva, availability does not concern me.
>>98416262you, pictured
>>98414421i still don't get what rog'sai larper is trying to convey
>>98414421>I'm not on the list
>>98415702yes, according to the bracket rules she is B4
>>98414421Surprised I'm not on the list honestly
>>98417407incorrect, read gavin's definition of mld
>>98416247wdym
>>98417419>For a little bit of additional definition around "mass land denial," this is a category of card that most Commander players find frustrating. So, to emphasize it up front, you should not expect to see these cards anywhere in Brackets 1–3. These cards regularly destroy, exile, and bounce other lands, keep lands tapped, or change what mana is produced by four or more lands per player without replacing them. Examples in this category are Armageddon, Ruination, Sunder, Winter Orb, and Blood Moon. Basically, any cards and common game plans that mess with several of people's lands or the mana they produce should not be in your deck if you're seeking to play in Brackets 1–3.wym? perchance I am outdated?
>>98417429>by four or more lands per player>per player>liliana's ult says each opponent
>>98417429I would guess the argument would be "regular," since she's never guaranteed to get her ult off.>>98417433Come on, you know that's a weak technicality that isn't even true for his examples.
>>98417446>Come on, you know that's a weak technicality that isn't even true for his examples.is this mld? it hits everyone!
>>98417433mkay I like your pilpulI shall employ it
>>98417449Is Blood Moon MLD if I only run basics?
>>98417471yes just like demonic tutor is still a GC even if you have 98 swamps
>>98417474But it would only disrupt my opponents and not "each player," so why would that technicality matter in that case?
>>98417484so if i run rhystic + a card that prevents me from drawing extra cards does it make rhystic not a GC?
>>98416256give nephilim the respect they deserve.
>>98417429I still don't understand why this doesn't make Manabarbs MLD
>>98417527manabarbs doesn't deny you mana, it only hurts you when you use itjust like how underworld dreams doesn't deny you drawing cards, it only hurts you when you draw
witch's clinic? believe it or not, extra turns
>>98417540By that logic Blood Moon doesn't deny you mana either. You get plenty of red mana from your lands
The colorless Ultron deck preformed way better than I thought it would last Saturday. Did you guys try out any new decks that worked out for you? Post decks btw
>>98417556>By that logic Blood Moon doesn't deny you mana eitherbut it does, the fact that you have to restrict your lands to basic mountains proves that it doesmeanwhile am i gimping my own lands if i play liliana? do i have to jump through hoops with my manabase with her? that's the difference>let me guess you think this guy is MLD too
Actual powerful white card.
>>98417565Red mana is still mana bro
>bloodmoonfags are still coping because they need bloodmoon to beat precons.>It's been 2 years
>>98417579Goes hard with tataru taru
erm just don't run a greedy manabase? run more rocks? run enchantment destruction? blood moon isn't that big of a deal bwo, draw ur outs
>>98417585How does that help a bant deck?Stop being purposely retarded.
>>98417585still gimping yourself bro, just like making your lands indestructible doesn't change armageddon affecting all players>you dodging the ajani question is very telling btw, let me guess you think this is MLD too
>mldtards try forever to find loopholes so they can ruin people's lands>guys liliana + deepglow skate exists>NOOOOOOO MY PRECIOUS BLOODMOON I HAVE TO USE HER I HAVE TO HONOR MY QUEENlmao
Is counterspell MLD if you use it on crop rotation?
Ultima is MLD if your opponents airbend all their lands right?
it's not mld it's free ramp
Why can't they just play bloodmoon in bracket 4?It is the bracket where people will run the least basics.
>>98417579the b2-approved smothering tithebuy now
>>98417651This never was mld, since it does replace the lands
If you abrade my caged sun that's MLD because it's denying me mana
>>98417661trvth nuke
>>98417652because they are somehow sweaty enough to want to win b2 via ruining people's lands but somehow dumb enough to not think of actual legitimate workaroundsthey're no different from people swearing up and down that their deck is "weak" so you should allow their multiple GCs in b2 and are to be dismissed just as quickly
>>98417652Why do people complain about blood moon in b2 where it doesn't affect them since they run more basics?
>>98417681because gavin makes no distinction between basics and nonbasics, why do you think he called out ruination as mld
>>98417686Goofy guy
>>98417681You need to look at a precon deck list if you think that is true
Ok I know manabarbs isn't MLD but what if Fiery Emancipation and Furnace of Rath are out?
>>98417692it is what it is, it's gavin's edh world you know
>>98417681They don't complain about blood moon in B2 because it is not permitted in B2.Reading is fundamental.
>>98417699underworld dreams + peer into the abyss didn't deny you cards bro, in fact you have half you deck
>>98416419Where's antifurfag fag? They're literally the spammer troll, they are the biggest thread changer of all.
Is Dwarven Driller MLD if I have infinite untaps?
>>98417579Finally another good white tax effect. Only took 35 fucking years.
Final pieces showed up in the mail to slopify this ramp heap into its final state. It's about as done as I'd like it. Not sure how long it'll stay together, it's stronger and far more explosive than I clocked it. It DID win a turn before the turn 7 "bracket 3" count too, though in my defense I got hit with 0 interaction that game.It's super consistent so long as you don't eat turn 2-3 removal, which the deck does deserve to. And I do enjoy taking a million game actions while vomiting out big cards.
WotC insider here. In the next two years, they are going to reprint true duals. They aren't doing it as some part of removing the RL. They are doing explicitly because they are going to errata true duals to count as basic lands.They are also going to be strictly surge foils to not ruin the RL prices.You didn't hear this from me.
>>98416227It'll be as "con only" as Mystery Booster 2, which is to say a million boxes will be put into circulation.
>>98417749>It DID win a turn before the turn 7 "bracket 3" countat a glance i don't see an infinite here, god forbid anyone cry about the combat step
>>98417756so what's underground sea 2.0 going to be named? underground ocean?
>>98417758Yeah, I just chalked up the extreme salt to the player in question being Not Very Good. The deck has minimal haste outlets to give the table a window to "answer" the board before it gets out of hand.We also would've died a turn before that to the combo player if I didn't drop removal on him, but the other two players were sufficiently oblivious to not process the guy was even on a combo deck.It didn't stop one of them from leaving in a huff because he didn't get to "do the thing."
>>98417749cute catto
>>98417768It's going to be called underground sea, because it IS underground sea.
>>98417774combat damage is fine, if anything the "turn rule" is so that people are actually incentivized to win the gamve via combat rather than comboing off
I still can't believe they actually have a horse ass from MLP full art in a card.
>>98417783they found a loophole that allows them to reprint RL cards as surges? i don't get what "errata to basic" has anything to do with reprinting if they're going to have the same name>i'm just humoring you btw, but i've been wrong before
>>98417781He wanted to chew on some tasty unsleeved commons so he sat down and waited.>>98417786Yeah I'm aware. I don't even necessarily think brackets are a good representative of power or game quality. I just felt a bit bad because the players thought their decks were stronger than they were. They also had absolutely 0 interaction (besides the guy who complained who just sandbagged his counterspells so he could tap out and paly his commander?), when a single board wipe would've at least evened out the game state.
>>98417756>In the next two yearsI'll forget this or i'll be dead by that time.
>>98417797They want them, for some reason, to "feel more special and powerful." They can be fetched with basic land tutors and more importantly, as basics they aren't limited to 4 of or 1 of.It's just a ploy to really drive collector sales.
>>98417820rofl this will never happen
>>98416014Most definitely, actually looking foward to it because I want to like vehicle's
>>98416419what about pointing out the communities new nickname for Wizards of the Coast, i.e. "GōtC" (paying special attention to the linguistic mark over the O?)
>>98417820>They want them, for some reason, to "feel more special and powerful."i actually believe thisso many permutations of dual lands have been printed now that true duals are not a strict requirement beyond the sweatiest 5c minmaxers, and i can understand that wotc is annoyed at people constantly proxying true duals precisely because of this reasonagain this is assuming they found a loophole to the RL, but basically wotc looks to fuck proxyfags to "know their place" and stop proxying true duals for their b2 timmy pods while increasing their bottom line at the same time
>>98416766aids bracket? bracket 4 is the only way to play. all the powerful great fun cards without any of the saggy cedh shit
>>98417556>by that logicIt's not the same logic at all. One is a pain tax, the other denies to the resource you need completely.I have nothing against such effects, people should play more basics and more removal, but they are not at all the same thing.
>>98417749>strip mineTo Bracket 4 with you sweaty
>>98417101this has been debunked
>>98417849reminder there is technically nothing stopping b4 from devolving into b5 beyond gavin's stipulation that people should live long enough to see a turn 4 before you pop off with thoracle>inb4 you're just playing rule zero
>>98417731But there's no tax
>>98417347sorry you're broke maybe try panhandling or selling your food stamps
>>98417527you should be forced to play with mana burn
>>98417613MLD =/= LD
>>98417656that already exists
>>98417873gleaming splender is 1W + has an ability to make people draw on demand
>>98417708I run blood moon in b3. if it hurts you badly youre playing too much non-basics which is also sketchy for the power level
>>98417879>i run blood moon in rule zerook
>>98417756I could feel this coming in the air tonight. need to keep that money machine printing and most orders from reprinters are for true duals...getting back that icing on the cake
>>98417873This card is dogshit.
>>98417879Made a little mistake there sport; you're playing B4; because you are not permitted MLD in B3.Good thing I was here to clear that up for you, you'd look awful silly if everyone thought you couldn't understand the deck guidelines.
>>98417721Banlist
>>98417865>3 manasmy dude
>>98417884no rule zero if you dont like then disenchant it
>>98417873The gulf between Monologue Tax and the new card is wide as it is between Arcane Signet and Commander's Sphere
>>98417895this has been debunked it hits more often than Esper sentinel does but is 1/40th the price.
>>98417914It's also 3x the manacost.
>>98417905Yeah, let's run rhystic study and smothering tithe in b2, if you don't like it then disenchant it.
>>98417905>we're all playing fake cards anyway so this is legal>just counter it if you don't like it
>>98417896oh naw I definitely meant b2, groomers of the coast has no authority over the commander format and they are not official rules in any capacityplay more basics!
I'm running Primeval Titan in bracket 3. If you don't like it you can just counterspell it.
>>98417921>groomers of the coast has no authority over the commander format and they are not official rules in any capacityi hate wotc too but you don't have to deny reality this hard anon, sheldon's dead let him go
>>98417914It and Smugglers Share were hyped as new staples in white and they both suck ass.Did you know this turd is 10 dollars right now? Its not even okay in monowhite.
>>98417920brackets are not official rules by any stretch of the imaginationante cards are against official rules. you are a retardand yeah if you want to play contract from below exiling a random card you certainly could. but you're a retard for conflating a legal action (playing blood moon in ANY commander game) and an illegal action in every single game format
>>98417938>brackets are not official rules by any stretch of the imagination>but i will slop up GotC's ante rules like a good little goy even though we're playing with fake cards anywaylmao
>>98417921No you are clearly mistaken. It would be fucking stupid to pretend to follow guidelines you do not understand or pretend not to understand guidelines you allegedly follow.So you must be playing Bracket 4; otherwise you would be a blithering retard.I mean if you didn't use the Bracket rules at all that would be a different matter, but that would require a spine you clearly do not have.
>>98417934no I didnt know that but drawing 2 cards or more in lower brackets is less likely than playing a 2nd spell. the land one basically goes out the window for non-green players, albeit in lower brackets almost everyone has green.
My dudes, i'm running all the moxes. If my opponents don't like it then they should vandalblast it.
>>98417941ante has been out of the game for 30 years and even the first draft league guidelines in the Duelist suggested not using it if the pod didn't want itforcing you to use basic lands is magic to the core and land destruction or denial is one of the core mechanics of MTG that has endured. just because a group of low IQ drag queens and troons in Seattle say its not fun does not make Blood Moon against the rules in a format they did not create
>>98417964ante is core to magic just as garfield intended and you are a fool to deny this
>While From the ashes is technically not mass land denial, I'll have you know I don't have any basics in my Kenrith goodstuff deck, so you are denying me lands massively and your deck is actually Bracket 4. You get a game loss for failing to uphold Rule 0.
>>98417960the original 5 mox have never been legal in commander they were a day 1 ban. only Mox Diamond somewhat rivals that power level.Chrome Mox should not be on the "game changer" list either. so go on do your thing with Mox Opal, Chrome Mox, the useless Mox Jasper!blood moon has never been banned in commander and is not banned in any (non-homo variant) commander game
>>98417979your fault for not running basics. the first time this happens to you is a BIG learning lesson! grow. from itall 5 color decks should have a minimum of 2 basics each and there is literally 0 excuse not to.
>>98417980>blood moon has never been banned in commandersheldon never banned cedh either so open up gotc anon i'mma thoracling your ass t2
Unironically reminds me of a real discussion that occurred at my LGS>Everyone sits down for bracket 2>We talk about our decks for a bit>One dude's being cagey and not showing his commander until we start>Whatever not going to make a scene over a Magic player being autistic (very common)>Flips his commander to reveal Yuriko>HereWeGo.jpg>Turn 2 Demonic Tutor>We tell him we're all playing bracket 2>He says he doesn't use brackets because they're too complicated>We tell him he can just draw a card to replace the Demonic Tutor and take it back>He starts throwing a fit and ends up scooping
>>98417992thassa is on the "game changer" list. blood moon is not. so WRONG AGAIN BUCKO
>>98417996reminder to always have a fully proxied cedh deck in your backpack so that you too can claim that things have become "too complicated!
>>98417996Genuinely embarrassing.
>>98418000>game changer>a list made by gotcEEEEWWWWGOY ALERT>GOY ALERTGOY ALERT>GOY ALERTHE'S SLOPPING UP RENTON DICK GUYS
>>98417987okay pubstomper
>>98418003demonic tutor is only $50
>>98418030>$50money is complicated, printer it is
>>98418027this is my bracket 3 commander that I run Blood Moon is and tell them rule 0 I consider it one of my three "game changers"anytime you lose to a better crafted deck of similar power level, is that pub stomping? are the pub stompers in the room with you right now?
>>98417496You're never guaranteed to play that self-draw hoser, so yes.
>>98418058guess i can run the p9 then i'm not guaranteed to get themalso i can run custom cards too like>0>can't be countered>instant>i win the gamebecause hey i'm not guaranteed to get them either!
>>98418063female logic
>>98418065>femalesomething you'll never be that's for sure
>>98417987The excuse is they don't have to build around blood moon lmaoBurning Earth is good enough for me. Gets the point across
>>98417992I honestly think that Sheldon would have banned Thoraccle if it was around in his time. That shit's worse than Hermit Druid Scion decks ever were.
bracket slurpers are the worst
>>98417853I think one strip mine a turn is allowed below bracket 4. I did use it to lock out a blue turns player in a casual game. He convinced me to feel bad for him, so I let up. Then he chained 5 turns into Enter the Infinite + Jace
>>98418063Please take your medication, wait a half hour, come back to the thread, and give me a coherent response instead of whatever the fuck this sloppy brain-diarrhea is supposed to be.
>>98418157>guys i'm running draft chaff please allow my 10 gc in b2!!In your dreams
look I can handle the schizo posting but you have to decide if wotc are the Jews or the goyim, they can't be both
>>98418134He never banned Hermit Druid either because he had this retarded mentality that people are always aligned on expectations and are smart enough to draw conclusions from signpost bans (despite the fact that Commander quickly became the introductory format for most players and started being played in public spaces). Remember how long it took him to ban Flash Hulk?
>>98418169I think he's mad he wasn't in that "thread changers" shitpost.
>>98418170He banned flash through gritted teeth too which tells you everything about him
>>98418170Well, yeah, but he was also been insistent about banning auto-wins, and the structure for consistent Lab Man wincons was figured out as far back as then to the point where a 5c deck could consistently pop it off, which is what I was trying to get at.
>>98417900It was just the first example that came to mind.
>>98418186>insistent about auto-winsAnd yet he ultimately never did anythingOh but god forbid primetime give players lands to pay for his rhystic
>>98418030>onlyThat's the cost of most of my decks at the time of building them.
>>98418170There is an irony of a lvl5 judge being so knowledgeable of mtg legalese but relies on people just "intuiting" what makes for good edh
What are some Commanders that are kind of too spicy in Bracket 2-3 games? The Winotas of the world and such
Can I play this?
>>98418069yeah I sure hope the hell not!
>>98418275If by 2-3 you mean 2-2.9, as in not three, Winota is a fair one to be against. I think anything that cast stuff for free is, really. Picrel comes to mind.I don't think any commander is really too strong for bracket 3, though.
>>98418282Of course, why couldn't you?
>>98418169GōtC stands for groomers of the coast not goyim of the coast.
>>98418202wow your decks must suck
>>98418282Yeah? That's like the most milk toast stax card for white
>>98418329Nope. Super fun and win all the time against multi-hundred dollar decks. Just played two games last week against b3-4 decks and won both games.
>>98417979I remember the first time you made this post. It's genuinely still funny and I use it from time to time.
>>98418329Monetary value doesn't necessarily correlate to deck strength even if certain staples should be cheaper.
>>98418323Okay the other guy said goyim tho
>>98418320>>98418339I put a lot of emphasis on the D in mld.Somebody posted something that made it sound like meddling with mass lands was the spirit of the"rule".
>>98418368>your opponents controlit's not mld
>>98418368Stop being retarded
>>98418310idk I feel something like Kinnan or Yuriko would still be edge case for bracket 3 unless you're running in a pod where you can expect them to get removed when you cast them every single time
>>98418420gavin realized that banning legends for being too good at being commanders will not be looked upon well in the future, just look at this guy
>>98418468that card is way too good though. 2WUBRG and picking one out of the top 3 cards would be one thing but being able to play all 3 is severely overpowered. its a very dope card though and I generally disagree with most stuff the drag queen insists on changing but this makes sense. if legal, its ubiquity would make Yshtola look like a joke
>>98418627>that card is way too good thoughgolos just happened to have been created at the start of FIRE design (2019) and after 7 years there are better commanders to spike a pod with
>>98418646Golos was a better mono commander than most mono commanders were in 2019.
>>98418696and now there are better mono commanders than golos>golos will be a GC eventually don't worry
Is training grounds cdr. Jenson a thing that makes sense?Can I get math asian that knows ramp?
>>98418710Been off and on considering Jenson for a while because his art looks amazing in foil. But then I run in to the issue of being unable to commit to him being my second 5C deck (after the GOAT himself)
>>98418646They will never ban Kinnan because he represents WotC's ideal magic player- an obese autistic troon with rainbow hair.
>>98417791They're called flanks normie
>>98417987>have two basics of every color in a 5 color deck! No. I have 3 plains, 0 mountains and one swamp, forest and island, fuck equal distribution
>>98418169Dude can't even decide whether to stay in his dead antiub fork thread or post in here. Schizos gonna schizo
>>98418710I'm retarded, would Agatha's ability only cost RG?
Speaking of UB, what's coming after Hobbit and Star Trek? Know we got that neat UW undersea one first part of 27 but no clue what comes after it
>>98418772no news yet but>harry potter>dc>mortal kombatare possible given paramount just got wb and would probably want to get roi asapthere's also possibly>anime>zelda
>>98418751well if you want to make your deck objectively worse thats totally up to youbut if playing a 5 color deck (which by default is a green dominant deck) you'd want 4-5 basic forests minimum and I say 2 of each basic for being able to fetch shit out. or if someone plays Blood Moon which is a standard card to expect in any power level if playing only by official rules and not beta-test suggestion-style "rules".
>>98418778Dc could be fun if only for the amount of seething the WOTC artist would have when they need to draw Power Girl
>>98418772Another Marvel set for sure since they have to get those X stones out. Probably xmen
>>98418794Shitposting aside, my 5 color deck is 5 colors by just circumstance, I wanted to make a deck centered around the Innstrand angels and so it's 66% white last i checked, with just 2 cards in my entire deck that have a red pip. I accept that if I don't have my mana artifacts up or my multiple enchantment hate or counter spells and nobody at the table does either, I just take the loss
>>98418866I could fuck with the X-Men if it is them, just would need to pray Gambit and Nightcrawler don't suck, I guess
>>98418796>>98418778They won't do anything DC until the Marvel cycle is complete.And with Marvel, they can do regular Disney...FUCK. WOTC GIB KINGDOM HEARTS SET!
>>98415193I don't understand why WotC won't include one mechanically new card into every SL. Design them so narrow to the point where they are never going to see competitive play, but interesting for niche strategies in EDH.
>>98417854I rebunked it
>>98418646No the real kicker was Golos emerging in the window tons of players were forced to leave their sheltered playgroups, and play online against people that had different ideas of what "fun" meant (for most of these players, "fun" meant "winning").There were more egregious commanders even at the time (Kinnan being a good example where he's the same thing but immensely better in exchange for requiring you to put a tiny amount of effort into him, and came out not too long after). It's just that Golos was playable by an ape with brain damage because you could throw him on any slop deck and push his gambling button to do something useful. Even now, there's commanders like Wandering Minstrel that realistically make better commanders than 90% of what I see people actually building. The only reason people don't notice is because the average commander player is atrocious at the game and has no exposure to most play patterns.
>>98419120The issue with Golos is that because he's colorless to cast, you can put him at the head of what is effectively a mono-red burn deck and get all the benefits and zero downsides apart from having all five colors to activate Golos
>>98417907New card? Is there another white opponent did two things card?
>>98419136This is the case with many commanders even right now. You can run Wandering Minstrel as the helm for most decks and get better results because he gives 5c access and takes away the biggest 5c drawback (tapped lands). In exchange you're given the Herculean task of paying simic for this, which I don't think I need to explain is not a real cost for most commander players that already gravitate towards green ramp and blue draw.
>>98417791do they really outsource flavor text to ai now
>>98418772I think this is the most current roadmap. Looks like it's decently scarce on information right now.
>>98417791uuOOOOOOH
>>98419181You don't "uoh" for horses anon
>>98419206sorryclooOOOOOOOP
>>98419161Honestly AI would probably be an improvement.
>>98417855no thats incorrect. bracket 4 is playing commander. bracket 5 is combo slop. the point is bracket 4 is actual commander with the best cards if a combo pops off eventually, well people do that in bracket 2 even.CEDH is to bracket 5 as S-CDR is to bracket 4. its more than a format specification, its also a mind set (cedh players are like gooners where as S_CDR players are like people trying to play Elder Dragon Highlander)
>>98419282>incorrect, actually my opinion is correctlol ok
>>98417579It's good for white but this is inherently worse than King T'challa or Faerie Mastermind. Drawing a card>a treasure
>>98417749KITTY
>>98417938>brackets are not official rules by any stretch of the imaginationlol yes they are
>>98419177>DetroitOh neat didn't realize they were doing a horror block
>>98418778One of the main reasons WotC unionized was so they could collectively resist when hasbro forces them to make UB Harry Potter, of this I'm sure
>>98419399Could be worseCould be Atlanta
>>98419402that's arena and any troon meltdown is fixed with yet another visit through the omenpaths
>>98418778I'd bet my entire collection that Harry potter never happens.Also the Paramount WB Merger is on hold for up to a year now and may never happen
>>98419420>>98419420>>98419420New thread
>>98419425>that OP picthe furry can't help himself anymore i see
>>98418420Totally disagree. My buddy has a ninja tribal yuriko deck and it's just fine, runs with the lot of them in our 2/3 pods. Kinnan I can't see being any different.
>>98418710I don't know what the question is. Having training grounds out would reduce his abikity to only cost 3. Are you aaking if that's worth it? Cause that depends entirely on how your deck is built.
>>98418898but do you understand that in a 5 color deck using green cards like Farseek or Nature's Lore or even rampant growth is a really good idea?thats why 5c likes to lean into green. Plus green you can stay on brand with Avacyn's Pilgrim in your case note how in 5c deck green also gets all these efficient mana dorks, Pilgrim, Birds, Llanowar, elves of deep shadow etc
