why do so many TTRPG authors find it hard to apologise for their mistakes?
>>98415188>apologize for winning lol
>>98415188That author did apologise. What's the point you are trying to make.
>>98415202it was too little, too late.it also amplifies the silence of authors like the ACKS guy.
>why no apology>okay he did apologize but it wasn't good enough>okay it was good enough but it wasn't soon enough
>>98415477yes, these are the issues people have. well done, observing-anon.
>he doesn't see the issue with moving goalposts
>>98415289Blood and Chocolate contained multiple things some (wimpy) people took issue with, of which I have no idea offended you. Is there something in the text of acks that you find objectionable or are you just gesturing broadly at everyone that has ever caught your ire in any context and expecting them to publicly flagellate themselves?
>>98415289What was the mistake?
>>98415188Because if you apologize as a public figure, the internet (specifically the midwits on social media) will tear you apart. An apology online is like blood in the water, so don't apologize for anything. Own what you say and do and ignore the whiners reeeing for an apology.
>>98415289Hi Fishfag.>>98416003That the creator isn't a leftist and won't flagellate himself for being as straight white man. (Also, he didn't hide he voted for Trump 3 times.)
>>98415188>>98416003>Blood In The Chocolate is a psycho-sexual romp that pits characters not just against their enemies, but against their own twisting, melting, inflating or poisoned bodies.Some books do deserve to be judged by their cover.
>>98415289Something about that little corner of the RPG world is just filled with complete and total shitbags. Macris, Zak, Chenier, all of them seem like the worst kind of people, with whatever "fans" they have also not being far off. They're all scheming and soulless people who call themselves game designers when all they've really done is take existing games and make them so much worse.
>>98415188>you enter a room>and then you explode and die, or like someone eats your face, or you eat someone else's face>repeat for 50 roomsIt's not even the poor executed fetishism that's the problem that should be apologized for. It's that this adventure fucking sucks and only has shock value to offer.
>>98416168>fucking sucks and only has shock value to offer.That's really just fitting in with the rest of LotFP.I kinda miss when WoD was about as far as games that contained high levels of cringe went.
>>98415188There is no real benefit to apologising on the internet.
>>98416210Not really, no. It's why retractions from journos and scientists who got caught lying and making shit up never actually stops retards from repeating exaggerated fiction or bullshit science.If some rando faggot on the internet is outraged enough to demand an apology, he's already at the point where no apology of any kind will actually get him to give up his pointless high school gossip crusade.
>>98416168>steps into Willy Wonkas Chocolate Factory>it's incredibly dangerous>this suprises Anon for some reason
>>98416277Wonka's factory was only dangerous if you were a retard who didn't listen to Wonka. BitC is dangerous no matter what you do, and half of the time, there's no safe way not to get into a pointlessly grotesque bad end situation.
>>98415289>>98416144So what are the actual problems? Be detailed and specific instead of hysterical.
>>98416296Go to sleep, Alex. Hysterical is calling everyone fishfag.
>>98416304You can't even say it. Pathetic.
>>98416308If you care about their gay drama, you should go look it up yourself because you're going to quickly discover that they're all full of shit and seem to just be competing on who is the biggest pile.Do yourself a favor though, and let them all fade into obscurity and don't bother thinking about them or bringing them up. That whole pit of non-creators should be condemned to Damnatio Memoriae in the RPG world for the crime of severe faggotry.
>>98416287Isn't yucking someone elses yum haram in your social circles? It's intended to be used in self contained one shots where no one is attached to their characters.It's not bad. It's for a play style (you) aren't interested in. One in which character death comes quickly and is usually considered a punchline.
>blueberry TFNOKILL IT
>>98416324>f*ggotryUh oh, this is not a Bluesky Approved term, looks like you're going on the pile with the chud non-creators
>>98416406What's with that shit being a "thing." I just don't understand that shit, though you have people who freeze their hands off so they can have "paws" and other retarded shit to cripple themselves. I guess having sex with a woman is too plain and vanilla.
>>98415289>it also amplifies the silence of authors like the ACKS guy.It's remarkable how upset it makes you when someone isn't apologetic for their positions.To the point where you can't even understand that no, they're not just waiting for the perfect moment to drop to their knees and beg for forgiveness.They just want you to fuck off. Cunt.
>>98415289You've answered your own question. Because it is never enough. Nothing is ever enough.
>>98416420Some people like vanilla, some prefer blueberry flavor.
>>98416424>It's remarkable how upset it makes youNTA, but reread your post and see if you can spot someone that sounds very upset.
>No-no, I, who let ACKSman set up a holiday home in my frontal lobe and bring him up any chance I get, screaming about how he's too much of a coward to apologize for not kow-towing to my cult, am not upset>You're the one that's upset because you're laughing at me for being like thisKeep telling yourself that. I'm sure one day you'll gaslight yourself into believing it.
>>98416482You seem upset because you're making posts that seem upset.
>>98415188*rips a greasy pepperoni fart down your throat*
>>98416144Someone did a deep dive on this subculture and was so thorough about how unhinged they all are that mods still delete it to this day any time it goes posted, it was genuinely hilarious.
>>98416545Did it have the title akin to "the worst people you've never heard about"?And it had interviews with people who admitted on tape to making up sexual assault charges and not realising how it sounded until the article got traction.
>>98415188are physical copies of picrel valuable now? I considered buying a bunch as an investment when the author announced he'd be pulling them from sale once he got the rights back, but ultimately decided against it. Did I make the wrong choice?
>>98416406its blueberry inflation and its really no more offensive than any other inflation...>>98416420boomer inflation fetishists got their minds blown by it when it came out, not much else to say. it wouldnt exist if more conventional stuff was more available at the time.
>>98416787>boomer inflation fetishists got their minds blown by it when it came outYou mean 1971 version with Gene Wilder?I'm sure some cartoons already did "character blown up like a balloon" back then, but it's probably first live action portrayal.
>>98416803maybe, but a whole scene is devoted to it being like, a humiliating karmic punishment. what's an analogy for something more normal? imagine it was like, she turns blue and got her feet tickle tortured. all the prepubescent tickle torture and foot fags would be watching that shit on repeat, and it was probably the first time they COULD do that if it was their only DVD or tape or whatever movies came on those days. they'd be wearing out the vynyl to that is what im saying
>>98416814>what's an analogy for something more normal?hypnosis?vore?
>>98416826Yeah actually a niche subset of hypno+vorefags LIVE for that snake. Its probably like how people who want to fuck skeletons are really into sans undertale for some reason, or how homestuck seems to have accidentally invented tentacle penises
>>98416420Crossed wires. Fetishism existed long before modern media but it was much rarer due to a lack of shared experience. But most living blueberry fags became so BECAUSE they were exposed to this at a vulnerable age and their brain didn’t know how to process it. If I didn’t know any better I’d argue both the original and remake were deliberately made to make blueberry fetishists out of 10-13 year olds. >disarming movie about fantastical world>delightful song about imagination in the garden of eatin’>switch gears to a traumatizing LSD boat ride>flashing lights and images of bugs crawling on faces and chicken decapitations>suddenly stop>back to whimsical>now all attention turns to a young woman, roughly the age of the target>she is extremely vulnerable and frightened>her body is changing, initially making a parody of secondary sex characteristics>she is humiliated and displayed as punishment for disobeying a powerful entity>her peers gawk and marvel at her body>after which she is removed to an uncertain end by a group of handsy menNow, it seems perfectly innocent if you aren’t thinking too hard about it (or watching another mid movie with your kids). But to a child that’s a massive amount of seriously confusing information to process inside of 15 minutes. Particularly if you are only just starting to look at females in a sexual sense. The remake, while less traumatizing, was so overtly sexual in its framing and pacing that I genuinely wonder how it was cleared for the screen.
>>98416545The thing is that they didn't realize that they had to include themselves in that category, and that they were probably one of the most unhinged retards of the lot. Also, they tried to make it seem like one "side" was better than the other, when everyone involved should probably be thrown in a wood chipper.
>>98416144All I remember from that show was shoddy camerawork, Pathfinder goblin minis, Zaks stupid haircut, SuicideGirl-tier amateur pornstars and Sasha Grey occassionally smiling.
>>98417119................ I know fetishes have been around forever. We seen pots and scrolls filled with porn and shit, I just don't get the turning into a blueberry and shit breaks kids mentally. I remember seeing that as a kid, and didn't awaken shit in me. Again, I guess just like a hot body is all I need.I mean I get and get behind Snu-Snu (if I can survive it). As well as some of the other random fetishes but yeah, don't get the blueberry shit or the crazy furry shit like removing your hands, getting fixed, etc. That's just going over my head, I get they get off on it and just where the wires ended up crossing, but come on. That shit just freaky as fuck man. Especially the people who do go all the way and all
>>98417196I don't even remember Sasha, just Mandy Morbid, (who ended up getting aids and/or cancer) and that black girl.
>>98416545This one? It did get taken down a lot for its initial run then stopped when the article itself got taken down for being too accurate. Still not sure who's backing threatened to sue. Everyone involved is a sumbag. Its so obvious they're here and make these threads they've had to start identifying as transparent.
so if these things predate the internet (they don't) why aren't there erotic paintings/novels of dudes being transformed into bread, or something?
>>98416074Why should he need to apologize for this? I don't know what the issue was, but just from that blurb I can tell its gross weird shit for perverts
>>98417373>the article itself got taken down for being too accuratelolYou're the writer, aren't you?
>>98417424Same as you're fiona or brian I guess. :) This one's a bit more bias but has decent insight and links to the anti-acks crusade that persists here on a daily basis and has been flooding the board with osr trashposting for years at this point. https://scholomance.substack.com/p/mongrel-banquet-club-the-harassment
>>98417418Cos it was just straight up racist, really. The sex pervert stuff is whatever but it had rapist pygmies that perform human sacrifice.
>>98417506Game world's aren't real and don't need to conform to your increasingly insane requirements. Get over it.
>>98417506>but it had rapist pygmiesThe book explicitly describes that they’re NOT real-world pygmies, but just weird short creatures that the not-Wonka antagonist simply calls pygmies because she’s ignorant as shit. So unless you’re a graduate of the school of “depicting a racist person must make you a racist writer” lunacy, it’s objectively incorrect.
>>98416334What the fuck are you talking about, retard?
Every single RPG writer that manages to succeed even in a minor way is a massive asshole and part of a clique of massive assholes who dedicate their days to policing everyone else in order to attack any perceived slights for the sake of social clout and personal satisfaction at bullying.Basically, if there's an official discord and the writer engages in it actively he's almost 100% an asshole.The ones that aren't assholes get bullied into quitting.
>>98417553Yeah, duh, the tribe of savage rapist cannibals are *South American* natives, not Africans, that's totally different.
>>98417373Literally 100 pages long, full of recorded interviews, and even confirmed by the people interviewed that... yes, they said those things, yes, they told the truth, yes, they knew the person interviewing them was researching harassment and drama in the RPG community, but, no, that researcher was wrong and bad and didn't do "ethics" right by presenting their consensual admissions in her research paper/case study about harassment in their community.
>>98417618>The ones that aren't assholes get bullied into quitting.hey hey some of the ones who get bullied into quitting were just less effective assholes
>>98417373>>98417488You really need to stop trying to pretend one side of a pile of shit is better than the other.Stop trying to drag this board into your gay shit already. >>98417677>in her research paper/case studyYou mean blog post rant.
>>98417691true
>>98417694It's very consistently one side. Stop trying to defend psycho trannies.
>>98417677Its impressively fucked to have gone from helping cavegreg edit Woldpacks to this. https://archive.is/0Nv3c>>98417694>stop You first. >looks at OPOh wait you can't because you're an ideological automaton.
>>98417694>one sidethe article shits on everyone>blog post rant.I noticed you ignored the fact that it has citations and interviews with actual recordings included and no one ever said that the quotes presented were lies, not even the people quoted.
>>98417488So its because those fuck than DOlmenwood was neutered and lost his whismical German fairy tale vibe?
>>98417719> it has citations and interviews with actual recordings But they don't actually say what the writer says they say. It's often one person claiming they can speak for an entire group while the writer is pointing at it like it's more than hearsay, and here you are trying to claim they're "facts" just because they're quotes and citations like that elevates them somehow.You've got pageantry and puffery, just like the puffery where you're calling a blog post written by a crazy person a "research paper".The rant gets ridiculous when it tries to paint one side as insane while also trying to make Zak a saint. It's all just a group of shitheads and the world would be best off without people like you trying to drag wannabe-e-celebs and their scam games out of the trashbin the rest of the world has thrown them into.
>>98417719>the article shits on everyoneI'm posting it and it clearly does not shit on everyone, its a pro zak piece. He's easy enough to find an endless amount of dumb shit from, the weird part is people feeling the need to make it up in addition to his own public lunacy. >>98417752But this sort of garbage like >this direct quote doesn't actually say what the writer says is assuredly also part of the problem.
>>98417752>But they don't actually say what the writer says they sayPoint to a single instance of this in the actual article.
Stop liking things that I don't like
>>98417785Stop disliking things i like
>>98417785>>98417787Start liking the things I like
>>98417506>rapist pygmies that perform human sacrificeoompaloompas have always been racist caricature
>>98417752>don't believe your lying eyes, comradeIt's pro-Zak to the extent that it doesn't double down on all the false accusations made about him. It doesn't pretend he isn't a weird obnoxious creep, just shows he wasn't throwing around made up accusations out of spite.
Things exist which I do not like
>>98417882I like things that do not exist
>>98417767>In addition to harassers, I interviewed victims, bystanders and experts on the industry. However, I found that I needed almost none of what the innocent said to explain the broader situation because the harassers themselves were remarkably honest in explaining their own behavior. Every interview quote and clip you are about to hear is from them, the harassers — a community of toxic artists, game designers and fans describing itself. There's quotes from people trying to label a group beyond just themselves and claim motivations they might not have had, while the writer is doing their best to try and treat that as facts in order condemn the entire group. The blogger's whole business is just to place the opposing "side" as "harassers" and their own side as "victims", when it's little more than internet drama written by the kind of retard who thinks they can pass off a blog post as a research article. You'll have one guy say something like>"Yeah, people jump on to mobs way too easy, they repeat stuff they know isn’t true [sigh] yeah, people do all of that"and the writer treating that like some grand revelation about an evil cabal instead of just "internet forums get messy."Most of the "confessions" are just people talking about other people instead of just themselves.>“…conflict is common because, um, right, like, on some level, and we all don’t like admitting to this, a lot of our ideological conflicts are over resources. And we don’t like talking about that because really, the reason that a lot of us think that certain people are bad is that they make money that we think should be in our pocket. It’s not the most noble reason.”And that's more of an effort to manipulate perceptions than present facts. It's submitting hearsay, which I guess is fine if we're talking about an e-drama blog.
>>98417752>running defense for an unironic squad of trannies who admitted they just made shit up and bullied other people into doing the same because they were sick of Zak telling them to stop being a bunch of dishonest, faggoty psychopathsGenuinely, what the fuck are you trying to prove by lying about something that was always demonstrably false? Zak is a huge faggot and a retard for pinning his career on a community of sanctimonius faggots, but that doesn't mean that they weren't lying about him just to destroy his reputation out of petty spite.
>>98417901So it's true, but you don't like the conclusions the author came to, not that she lied or that she made up claims that were never said.
>>98417694>You mean blog post rant.It's literally an academic study by a published and peer-reviewed, PhD-holding researcher and therapist.
>>98417875It's laughably pro-Zak, when all evidence about him indicates he's an incredibly shitty person.>His name is Zak Smith and he is the only person I will quote here who, after four years of research, I have not been able to find harassing anyone.That line should probably be enough to discredit them in their entirety, and probably what lead to them deleting their blog post when they didn't realize just how easy it was to find that Zak was just as much of a troll as the entire rest of the that weird cesspool.And we've got retards like >>98417488 thinking they're the one who can decide where lines should be drawn, when even Macris went ahead and made posts explaining how Zak is a piece of shit >>98416144It's all just awful, awful people who very much deserve whatever blacklists they're finding themselves on. Not on account of alleged crimes, just on them being talent-less attention whores trying to insert themselves in an industry like tapeworms. There's so many good games made by good people, and we should be doing our best to focus on those instead of these crap games made by self-promoting parasites who seem oddly connected with each other, like tapeworms that feast on other tapeworms until you've got a tangled knot filled with each other's shit.
>>98417951>It's literally an academic studyNot even it claims that.>This is an article I found I had to write in the middle of my research for an academic study,It's puffery that tries to pretend it's more than it is, just like you're doing.> I have interviewed, studied, and interacted with a very wide variety of multiple-felons close-up for years, and right now I am studying Dungeons and Dragons drama and what studying it tells me about people frightens me more than any of that work ever has.I don't even think they're trying to make its blog-post-ness anything but incredibly apparent.Even calling it an article is a bit much. And, this article definitely was not peer-reviewed, because you don't get blog posts peer-reviewed.
>>98417963>>98417982So basically>everything the writer said is true, except that zak was also a bullythis doesn't really discredit the article at all.It's weird you're running defense for internet bullies just because one bully wasn't also included.
>>98417982You're splitting hairs to try and reach the conclusion that it's not legitimate and that none of the points made or the evidence presented it real, but that's not how this fucking works. Even if we all agree that it's only a "blog post" it wouldn't discredit it at all and it wouldn't absolve any of the faggots who exposed themselves of not being a bunch of petty, malicious faggots, would it?Which brings us right back to: What the fuck do you think you're going to accomplish here? Because /tg/ isn't on Zak's side, but it's never going to side with all the trannies and degenerate shit sucking retards who started a witch hunt because some other retards told them to.
Morally, everyone involved was awful people that deserved to suffer company of other awful people.Legally, if there's any criminal liability that's for the courts to decide.
>>98415289y r u gae
>>98417991Weird, you do the same thing the writer does, where you ignore what people are actually saying and then say they're saying things that weirdly only support some per-conceived idea you have, despite reality being far from it.>this doesn't really discredit the article at all.this doesn't really discredit the article at all.Here's the thing.>I have not been able to find harassing anyone.That may not have technically been a lie, but it's incredibly misleading, and deliberately so, because anyone who'd put even a few minutes of effort could find evidence of harassment, and the writer failing to find any harassment would either have to be deliberate ignorance or complete incompetence, either of which discredits them.But, there's also just plenty of pretty blatant lies. >Every single other game designer and industry personality mentioned in this article so far along with hundreds of others — including the heads of the industry’s largest convention and of D&D itself, to Jeopardy-champion-turned-Twitter-warrior Arthur Chu and Matt Mercer — dungeon master on the epically-successful live D&D show Critical Role — had all harassed this one guy.The bar for what qualifies as "harassment" seems to be incredibly low when it's against Zak, yet oddly high when Zak's own actions come into question. >It's weird you're running defense for internet bullies just because one bully wasn't also included.Defense? I guess "The guy they're bullying is far from as innocent as the article hopes to portray him" is some sort of defense, but it really seems like you're just trying to mislead people with half-truths and the occasional outright lie. This e-drama really isn't something you should be so obsessed about. Let's do everyone a solid and throw everyone even mildly connected to this shit into a bin and forget they ever existed.
>>98418017>You're splitting hairsOh fuck off. You just tried to pass it off as an academic study, when that's clearly not what it is or even tries to claim to be. That's not splitting hairs, that shooting you in the dick for trying to manipulate people's perceptions even more than the writer tried.>who started a witch hunt because some other retards told them to.Except we're not talking about a witch hunt, ie. an innocent victim being unfairly maligned. We're talking about scumbags and e-drama, and the whole lot of them should be thrown into a pond.You keep trying to make this about "sides", like we have to pick between wholeheartedly affiliating ourselves either with Zak or ALL the people who don't like Zak, even if the people who don't like Zak (which turns out to be a lot of people) include some people who exceed what can be subjectively described as an appropriate amount of disliking him, if such a thing is possible.I prefer to be on the side of "Anyone who cares about that shit is a dumb faggot, especially the sort of person who tries to bring it up like some tool they can use to manipulate people's perceptions."
>>98418148>"Anyone who cares about that shit is a dumb faggotLeave then. You seem to care about this a lot considering how desperate you are to discredit the article.Look at how much you wrote about this>>98418148>>98418098>>98417982>>98417963>>98417901>>98417752>>98417694And you're calling others obsessed? Maybe it's time to touch grass.
>>98418164That's hardly anything compared to you dropping off some fifty-page blog post and acting like you expect no one to call you out on your bullshit.I'm betting if there was less, you'd be arguing not enough was written. You're kind of a shitbag yourself, though that's to be expected.
>>98418191You're still here huhCurious.
>>98418207Wow, you're so very good at manipulating people and controlling their perceptions, surely acting like you are will frighten people away from calling you out when you try to spread propaganda.You really thought you could just declare some fifty-pages of bullshit is all true and must be treated like facts, and no one would challenge you? And, after getting called out, you could argue anyone who'd call you out is as obsessed as you are?When is you not being in the wrong ever supposed to come into play in your master plan?
>>98418246>everything I dislike is propaganda lol
>>98418269Bruh, you literally just tried to pass it off as an academic study.
>>98415188It's easier to fix issues in a second edition than deal with the fallout of public discourse after making an apology statement.
>>98418246>>98418280Until you change your argument from "Anyone who cares about that shit is a dumb faggot, stop talking about it" every post you make means you're essentially disproving your own point.
>Trying the "Oh, both sides are as bad as each other, I'm so smart :)" schtickNo. One side is clearly worse than the other and it's the side that admits to ruining peoples lives for the rush that comes with retweets, you absolute psychopath.
>>98418280Not me and not your bruh fucko, its just plain as day that you're full of shit to anyone who passes by.
>>98418311My point is I care about people not spreading propaganda here. Whatever your propaganda happens to be doesn't matter and no one should care about it.
>>98418346lol you're such a liar You care about being able to spread your propaganda and anything that isn't your party line is anathema.
>>98418322>One side is clearly worse than the otherIt's all the same pile.>it's the side that admits to ruining peoples lives for the rushAccording to Macris, it's Zak that tried to ruin people's lives because of politics. Maybe we should just all accept that everyone involved is a piece of shit.
>>98418359>Maybe we should just all accept that everyone involved is a piece of shit.Sure, so lets include the OP >>98415188Explain how their agenda is also propaganda, because you're entirely against that.
>>98418354My "party" is the "/tg/ should be apolitical and also anti-faggotry" party.And you are heavily pro-politics and pro-faggotry, so I guess you're right that you are anathema to me.
>>98418370>Sure, so lets include the OPThat's a given. Was that supposed to be in contention?
>>98418387>>98418378Get to it, what's your critique? Be detailed and specific.
>>98418394If you apologize for being a retarded faggot I'll consider it.
>>98418401Ah, you can't because you're no>My "party" is the "/tg/ should be apolitical and also anti-faggotry" party.You have preferences and bias that you angle for like everyone else. Good to confirm.
>>98418408You're really not as good at manipulating either people or their perceptions as you imagine.
>>98418415On the bright side you admitted that this all matters a lot and you have to fight it.
>>98418423>nono you don't understand I'm totally neutrtal and that's why I can't say anything bad about this specific political angle get fucked
>>98418423Considering you gave up arguing when you realized you were beaten, I'm pretty sure any time you try to spread the same propaganda can just be hit with some copypasta.Maybe do yourself a favor and go back to trying your luck on twitter or reddit.
>>98418191No one dropped the post though. You just started sperging like a retard and trying to discredit it for some reason, while writing this retarded boring diatribes that don't actually say anything, while pretending that you made some actual argument.
>>98418346>propagandaLmao that's not what propaganda is, but now I'm convinced you're one of the faggots that got outed by that academic article.
>>98417488>The largest OSR Discord is controlled exclusively by MBC membersdunno if this is talking about the same group, but was this the one where a trans slacktivist went insane and started banning everyone?she was (rightfully) demodded and banned in the end - it got very silly. if anything, the members seemed like normal adults about it. she was e-screeching at random people:>YOU WILL DENOUNCE TRANSPHOBIA OR YOU WILL BE BANNED!!!then banning them for not having a clue wtf she was talking about.didn't come across as some 'coordinated attack', though. more likely a mental breakdown or booze/drugs.
>>98418442Your entire argument was that it didn't matter and people should stop talking about it, now you're backpedalling to how it's propaganda that needs to be fought, are you sure you won this argument, buddy? Feel free to make a copypasta of yourself admitting that this all is very important.
>>98418449>>98418457You keep going on about your blog post like it's an academic study filled with facts and truth, when it's immediately disproven by its core insistence on it all being about an unjust witchhunt against a poor innocent victim.Meanwhile, even people on your political side have happily thrown Zak under the bus and outed him as being just as awful or even worse than his supposed "harassers". Maybe they did this possibly in an effort to save themselves from being canceled as well, but we're still talking about this less being about politics and more just everyone involved being a retarded faggot, yourself apparently included.You want this to be some political thing where the left has formed a cabal that is attacking pure and innocent people, when we're mostly just talking about a couple of shitty indie RPG fags who all have a beef with each other because of money/relationships/drama that no sane person should give a fuck about.Do you really not understand why it kept being deleted here?
>>98418488>Your entire argument was that it didn't matter and people should stop talking about it,Sure? It's e-drama between a bunch of faggots who make shitty games.>now you're backpedalling to how it's propaganda that needs to be fought,You're trying to use something that doesn't matter as propaganda. It's very easy to use nontroversies for propaganda.Do you need me to provide examples, or can you just dip back into /pol/ and spot a few yourself?
>>98418578Oh so now the argument is that it's being USED as propaganda. Another backpedal. No anon, you were very clear saying that the article itself was propaganda.>suddenly talking about /pol/We are talking about writers of roleplaying games here, if you want to discuss politics, you should go to another board.
>>98418551>on your political side>>98418578>Do you need me to provide examples, or can you just dip back into /pol/ and spot a few yourself?Your "I'm totally neutral guys" mask is slipping, friend.
>>98418665Can you stop declaring things are backpedaling like you think you can manipulate people's perceptions by doing so? At no point has anything I said changed in stance. Is there really any point in you being such a dumb little shit if it just means I get to call it out and make you look retarded?>article itself was propaganda.Yes. Propaganda that tries to take create sides and has a severe bias for one, in something that is basically just shitty people being shit. Propaganda about nothing, which you are hoping to spread because you're the human equivalent of syphilis.>if you want to discuss politics, you should go to another board.Exactly. Fuck off back to /pol/ or /twitter/ or whatever.
>>98418690>At no point has anything I said changed in stance>it's not important but I must fight it with all my soullelno one is falling for it.
>>98418667Is this the part where you try to tell everyone you don't have a political side? You've got your political side and don't seem shy about it, so there's no point in acting otherwise.Or is this because I didn't say "our" political side, and your lone braincell that only interprets everything in binary assumed that means I must be on the other extreme end of the political spectrum from you?Can you please just stop being a complete and total retarded faggot already?
>>98418700What matters is your efforts to use something that doesn't matter as propaganda. Pretty clear and simple. And please, don't act like you've done much but given me the chance to boot your butt around this place. There's people who'd pay to have such a submissive punching bag like you.
>>98418700This. Its so blatant its insane.
>>98416596Think so. The OG author also deleted it.
I know most of you lot are unstable and will kill yourselves eventually anyway but could you hurry it up? It's annoying that us reals have to be subjected to your brainworms.
>>98418722>And please, don't act like you've done much but given me the chance to boot your butt around this place.Just continuing to lie in greater and more exaggerated tones doesn't make you more believable.
>>98417890Same...
>>98418773They just need to meet up and fuck, deal with the sexual tension
>>98418551>filled with facts and truthBecause it's literally testimony from the mouths of the people behind a big stupid event. You keep acting like those people admitting that they just whipped up all their little clique into a frenzy because one guy kind of annoyed them for saying that they need to stop acting like retards all the time isn't worth mentioning and you get WAY TOO DEFENSIVE on the side of the retards for reasons you can't articulate beyond "stop talking about it! It's lies lies lies lies! It's not legitimate!" as if that explains your colossal ass-blasted spergout.
>>98418993>His name is Zak Smith and he is the only person I will quote here who, after four years of research, I have not been able to find harassing anyone.
>>98417963Okay, let's leave Zak S aside for a moment. What about all the other stuff in the article/blog post? Like this quote in particular:“We tried as an industry to harass him out of it for years,” admitted indie designer Brandon Leon Gambetta in a tweet about Smith from Sept 27, 2021, but adds “It didn’t work.”How do you feel about about this quote?
>>98418551>it's immediately disproven by its core insistenceThat's not how proof works, dumdum
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>>98419091Pretty sure that guy doesn't speak for anyone but himself, but he's trying to speak for a whole industry. Weird choice to include as a quote unless you were deliberately trying to mislead people.
>>98419083Lmao you fucking disingenuous faggot. Zak wasn't even interviewed or quoted in that academic article. Only cited second hand.
>>98419099Indi games are overrun by various flavours of shitty people running around the internet and social media trying to fuck each other over for imagined slights and a narrowing audience as the 2010s /tg/ boom fads into recession. Everyone sane is tried of culture war but can't stop it. Links to various exposes up thread and the predictable wailing and gnashing of teeth, deflection and crickets once cornered.
>>98419099Got at least an hour to read the whole article? No?>researcher has heard all kinds of shit about the RPG community being full of shitty harassing chuds>goes out and does research on the topic>actually finds that a bunch of self-identified trannies, faggots, feminists, and typical woke/SJW types are the biggest harassers>research turns into a case study on the Zak Smith incident where a ton of people dogpiled a guy and destroyed his career>researcher wants to find out why>turns out it was just petty high school-tier politicking where assorted faggots and trannies decided they wanted to usurp Zak's position as the head of some semi-popular OSR community >interviews tons of people at the heart of Zak's large scale cancel crusade>all of them admit that they didn't really have a good reason for what they were doing, that they were making shit up just to get people outraged at him, and that they were telling their other friends in other communities and in the industry to sling shit at him even though those people had never interacted with him and had no evidence he deserved it>Researcher is fucking stunned and dumbfounded that they'd just admit this, knowing the nature of the research she was doing>there were even recorded interviews to go with this.>article gets released>everyone named in the article freaks the fuck out, but most importantly, does not deny any of it.>breaks containment to various RPG youtuber types and culture war personalities who are pointing out that this is just a repeat of the usual lefty culture war behavior we've seen for a decade>Researcher freaks out and takes down the article, but not before it was archivedhttps://archive.is/0Nv3c
>>98419108However the quote indicates that there are multiple people involved in trying to deplatform some particular guy. Do you deny this?
>>98419115>academic articleBlog post. Being an academic doesn't make everything you write an academic article. >Zak wasn't even interviewed or quotedThat's not the part that's in question.>he is the only person [...] I have not been able to find harassing anyone.That's the part where you can throw the whole thing in the trash.
>>98419166You sound like a Holocaust denier. "Oh there's this one thing that was exaggerated, CLEARLY EVERYTHING ELSE is suspect too."
>>98419166Where's the evidence of Zak being a serial harasser? It sounds like you hate the guy because you believed all the accusations against him, even though his own accusers admitted to lying.Again, no one here actually likes the guy, but no one genuinely cares about him. However, the fact that he wasn't the monster that a bunch of terminally online, mentally ill faggots told everyone he was seems to REALLY upset your lying, retarded ass.
>>98419187Don't get your shit conflated. Zak Smith was found to be guilty of most of the charges laid against him. It doesn't invalidate the fact that he was victim of an organized harassment campaign based around petty power politics.
>>98419195The shit that happened with his wife is unrelated to the cancel crusade against him and the academic article about the faggots who went after him. I also find it very interesting that you happen to have that image ready to go right away.
>>98419173>whataboutism
>>98419083>Zak S replying to libel in public chat forums ad nauseam is harassmentZac is doubtless an unpleasant arsehole but that is wildly not the same as conspiring to spread lies in every major place of discussion and then banning the topic entirely in those places when it becomes clear how full of shit you and your cronies are.Zac S burned every almost every bridge, and writes worthless coffee table books but that doesn't excuse the villiany done to him. >>98415188All this to say; because you are a faggot that will deliberately interpret a situation in the worst way you can imagine and in the event the author agrees with you(something they are not morally obliged to do) there is no upside to apologising publicly.
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>>98419187>Where's the evidence of Zak being a serial harasser?Apparently, what we're dealing with is Reddit-shit.You're trying to import some Reddit drama onto 4chan, and why the fuck does 4chan have to always be the place you sort of losers go to after the topic of your obsession gets banned. Anyways, here's a screencap of a reddit mod complaining about his behavior and even including how he would put reddit thread links in his blog to try and use his blog as some sort of private army martialing point.https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg/comments/apdvvn/all_those_lies_told_about_zak_sabbath_zak_smith/Serial harasser? The fuck even is that? What we're talking about is internet trolls trolling each other, Zak included, and according to the Redditors that interacted with him there's a good chance that the guy was stirring shit up just to try and create notoriety for himself. Considering him being an attention whore and clearly a guy who thinks he's more clever than he actually is, that's not a farfetched claim.
>>98419359FWIW: i think it's fine for an internet forum to have rules against generally being a dick (even here, fuck you all.)but this is one of those catch-all reasonings that always just-so-happens to coincidence with some other scandal. it's like how nobody had a problem with the Michael Jackson episode of The Simpsons or the character of Apu. in both cases, a documentary came out, suddenly the showrunners ban them under the guise of>ackshyually we ALWAYS had a problem with those ourselves...so we're not CENSORING anything haha.anyway, if you want real Zak lore, go through the history for his Wikipedia page. dude clearly wrote it himself back in the day.
>>98419500The more I'm learning about this this, what I'm surprised by isn't people wanting him out of the industry, but instead him having a career in the first place.This might be one of those rare situations where someone managed to get in a place they don't belong and the force neccesary to correct things ended up taking some people by surprise.
>>98419588Nerds have always been easy to bully into doing shit and buying things with the lure of being part of the cool kids club. The hats the cool kids wear changes a bit but not much really.
>>98419588yeah, as an artist he was some trust fund kid. but it's hardly news that this is how the big city modern art industry works.
>>98416032People thought it was racist because it has Pigmy's for Oompa Loompas. The author is also an insufferable whinging shitlib who freaked out when Raggi took a photo with Jordan Peterson lol
>>98419195>Zak Smith was found to be guilty of most of the charges laid against himThat is patently untrue.
>>98419730so you're saying there were even MORE charges, that he got away with?what a monster!
>>98419677>Kiel Chenier gets cancelled out of the industry >old questing beast interview had michael hutter art, wuold likely get cancelled today for being a perv https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qo9Yz4u6k2kIts wild how fucked and stifling everyone got compared to less than a decade ago.
