Previous: >>98419420Big and Black Edition>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Gay Bolashttps://files.catbox.moe/823tpq.png>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>tqWhat's the funniest way you've hosed someone?
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>98422684>TQEveryone always thinks they're safe because their spell can't be countered.
Post Decks
Which of the Gaang make for good commanders? Ive built something for Iroh and Azula so far
>>98422800Toxi
>>98422781Either of the 3-color Sokkas for an underappreciated one.Experience counters Katara if you want to sweat.Naya Toph if you're basic.
>>98422684Reanimating Phage onto someone else's battlefield, killing them instantly
>>98422684>tqI beaconed myself to 200+ life and then started beaconing everybody else until they got mad enough to give up.
>>98422851There really should be a card that's like >curse of gluttony>Enchant player>If enchanted player would lose life, they gain that much life instead. >If Enchanted player has over 200 life, they lose the game
>>98422867
thinking of doing a japanese folklore type deck with all the kami, myojins, oni etc which would be the best commander for that
>>98422684>20~ years ago>be me, smelly teenager>local card shop has friday night tournaments where the rules are literally anything goes>like 20-30~ people usually showed up to these, always a good time>after the first few rounds, people get divided up into deck strength power brackets, so the people who crushed their games go against other good decks, shitters go against shitters, etc.>each bracket winners gets prizes, so this way even bad goofy decks can still win their own divisions, tryhards go against tryhards, etc.>playing a shitter deck where i just drop pic related asap to trade libraries>my deck has no win condition otherwise, just use their own deck to kill themselves>because the tournament lets people play any variance of strength with no restrictions, some old dudes bust out full racks of power nine cards>first round i go up against one of these specimens>he's talking to other people showing off his moxes, lotus, etc.>game starts>i get lucky and drop shared fate turn 2 or 3>he's never seen it before and trying to read and understand, i'm trying to explain it but he doesn't trust me>calls over judge who says i get to use his power nine deck since he has no way to remove it on his turn>he says fuck that, he doesn't want me to hold his precious cards>he forfeits>judge says people have been throwing the pools rounds so they get into shitter brackets with good decks, so if he throws like this with a deck like his, he needs to exit the tournament and not get a refund>he says ok and just leaves>i advance by default and obviously get my ass kicked outside of pools>end of the night prizes are going out and the shop owner thought my situation was funny and gave me a booster packi got a helm of kaldra in that pack. idk why the sweaty guy didn't just ask to handle his own deck and not let me touch them, he just folded immediately and left
>>98422887That's not a curse you can put on an opponent. Yes you can gift it for similar results but that's extra steps.
>>98422956O-kagachi with the hideous future sight border is your best pick.
>>98422981>Didn't mull for Force in Super VintageDeserved punish
>>98422981>pichttps://youtu.be/eZq0VKuYMuI
>tqunironically winning a cEDH game with my nigger Veldrane. Never again, tho
>>98422773It's insane how WotC can release more legendary creatures in a single year than existed for most of the game's history, explicitly made for commander, yet there's still so few that are remotely enjoyable.Bring back backgrounds I beg you.
>want to bling out deck>card doesnt exist in foilwhat do?
>>98422981this never hapenned, but it was a nice read, thx anon!
>>98423311Take out card for something similar OR just use the nicest nonfoil version (?)As an exemple, even with foil avaliable (just the normal version, not this one), I use picrel in a full foil 4fun 60 card land-only deck because it's the nicest (sadly, not having a foil version)
>>98422684>What's the funniest way you've hosed someone?>tryhard used to pubstomping at LGS way back in the day>advent of "CEDH" as a term used by annoying Redditors>runs a full-powered Kess storm list>makes pods miserable by consistently ending the game turn 2-4>end up in a winner's pod with him>he tutors several times in a turn but can't pop off until the next one>resolve Wheel of Fortune to dump his tutor targets and give the other players a refill in the hopes they draw interaction>he gleefully flashes in Notion Thief>scoop in response to remove my own Wheel from the stackThe melty was legendary. He screamed for a judge, who told him it was a perfectly legal play. He then went on to lose to the other players tunneling him and never returned.
Wizards fucked up The Hobbit by not making orcs and goblins the same species. I'm out.
>>98422230these might interest you?
>>98423343>Dina and Meren>hnnngStop it Im trying to build a deck without blacks.Any hidden bangers for a slug&suck +1/1 lifelink Hamza deck?I have a lot of hydras.
>>98423117legit question: how?
>>98423335I'm mostly suffering from commander precon cards not existing in foil but no option for replacement due to unique effects.
>>98423415what card are you talking about?
>>98423343It frustrates me that Wizards put out promo art like this of Dina where she looks all cute but then her actual card art makes her look like some old hag.
>>98422773
>>98423549Speaking of Dina, what's the best way to build her nowadays?
>>98423551Why are you running that land
>>98423628OG Dina, all you need to do is pack in as much lifegain as you can. I ended up taking my Dina deck apart because it was too much solitaire. I'd largely ignore the rest of the board and just focus on my own lifegain and that's how it would win. I'd completely ignore her second ability.But I wasn't really having fun with it.New Dina you want a lot of little sac fodder creatures and she tends to push you to play with at least some aggression.
>>98423126Looks very fun but why street urchin, maybe I am glossing over a card but I don't see much sac outlet
>>98423655That's guild artisan, not street urchin.
>>98423655ntayrt but she has deathtouch
Wolf wolves while wolves wolf.
>>98423764>Battle triggerAre we finally getting more battles?
Whoever cracks co-op, but EDH and makes a fun format will be rolling in it. People love friendslop where they work together and the format lacks that cooperative element as of now.
>>98423776we should be, and red and white should be the main battle colors
>>98423788EDH could work like this:Turns:Player 1 of team A > Player 1 of team B > Player 2 of team A > Player 2 of team BLife: 40 per playerBanlist: same as cEDH (brack 5 for faggots)Hands/mana/field: not shared by the teamWincon: both members of the team must be defeated, games go on if onyl one dies (combo wins, state wins [like: x happen, you win the game] works normally)
>>98423819TRUCOMMANDER
>>98423788>>98423819co-op only works when you're ganging up on an archenemy *that's not allowed to combo off* and there have been many variations of that already, with the loki god of mischief event being the latest one
>>98423819ngl, kinda nice, will test with my pod
>>98422684>I le defaced le OP with advertisements for my furry porn commissions again xDDDDFake thread, not /tg/, shan't use.
>>98423818With tertiary in black
>>98423819Co-op as in fully cooperative, like horde magic but less shitty.
Would snowballing my life total like a cockroach be bad form?It seems extremely telegraphed and interactable.
>>98423788I will NEVER stop shilling raid decks from the WoW TCG, as there has never been a co-op product quite like it and there never will be again.>fully kitted out preconstructed, high-powered deck designed to 1v3 players>full suite of bosses fought in order that spawn in one after the other>several hours long as you progress through the bosses>designed with multiple deliberate "reset" phases to set the players' resources back if they get too far ahead>balanced with anti stall mechanics that force players to progress to the next boss or they'll get overwhelmed>came with a booster pack of cool-looking "loot" cards that are terrible in 1v1 but actually useful when used in raidsHearthstone killed a truly great game.
>>98424022They even went on to make dungeon decks, which were an automated version. It turned the 1v3 archenemy design into 3 players versus a single AI deck. Not quite as robust but still fun as fuck.I'd KILL for Wizards to figure out a way to emulate the experience.
>>98424021>It seems extremely telegraphed and interactablethat's exactly what b2 is
>>98424022>>98424039I played Molten Core and Black Temple back in the day and they were sweet. problem is Magic is way faster, there isnt any way to balance around the speed of the game
>>98424022I do wonder how they'll do Warcraft stuff for that potential leaked Universes BeyondAmass Orcs, Humans, Zombies, ElvesVenture into the Dungeon (Molten Core, Black Temple, Icecrown, etc.)they can get waifu sexo coomers with Whitemane and Alexstrasza and also DEI wokepoints for Fastwheels Khadgar and the Arathi chick with the prosthetic armmore than enough variety for every single land typeplenty of choices for reprints that aren't as stupid as Benedict Sheoldredbatch
>>98424039I remember this being a thing, I reckon they could definitely make something similar but with a deck or at least deck building guidelines and have it be 1v2 or 1v3 with the right setup
>>98423863>shan't useGood.Leave.
>>98424091Does anyone have that pic of the dude standing in a retail store, think it was Target, where someone swapped one of the face commanders of a precon with that and returned it?
>>98424076Yeah. Adding onto that the breadth of strategies in Magic means certain decks just don't work. How do you prevent combo? Most of these formats just have the raid deck reshuffle if they get milled, so that strategy is out the window.Molten Core and other raids had passive effects that inhibited certain strategies. A Magic "raid" would need to be utterly grueling to slow players down. Arcane Lab effects, a total limit on mana sources that untap, etc. To the point that it might be torturous.
>>98422701sounds like a very cool gunty bag. love repurposing bags for stuff like this. any photo of what it kind of looks like?
>>98423788There's a shop I go to that plays with homebrew formats regularly. One of them that I was a part of and liked was called "pinata."Basically, players can't attack each other, only the pinata in the middle of the board, which has 100 life, can't gain life, and the player who owns the source that deals the last point of damage breaks the pinata and wins.The catch is that players could block on behalf of the pinata, and still cast spells targeting other players and their permanents. So, it started as a cooperative game that turned into a tight battlecruiser with forced defenders at the end.
>>98422692this has been debunked
>>98422684I was playtesting my Marath enrage deck for the first timeand someone played picrel. He didn't advance his boardstate much otherwise, so I just deathtouch pinged the few creatures he did put out and rammed my growing creatures into him every single turn until he lost and I could actually test the deck.
>>98424021No, that's hilarious. B2 approved.
>>98422773>>98422800my Voltron Toski deck. just opened up the gunty bag to take this photo. so nice. but dang thats the least amount of interaction/instants I have in any deck by a long shot. well its mono green and for b2 or light bracket 3. what can you do. was considering Avoid Fate but I've never had it in hand when I needed it and never had it in hand when I might have wanted it.
Why must we pay for the sins of cedh
mail day for the gunty boy!!
>Guy tries to argue with me that dolemen gate will save his commander from lightening bolt when I cast it during combat, because all damage during combat phases is "combat damage" because we are in combat.
>>98424600>Clockwise Extortionist>1R>... treasure tokens into play tapped...Send it to print.
Is commander still a thing? Do people really build SpongeBob and The Office decks to fight Spiderman and Doctor Who?Jesus
>>98424661You're in the commander thread, didn't you see the sign? Why do you tell me little buddy?
>>98424661Not only is it still a thing, it's by far the most popular format in magic. The game unironically may have died at this point if it wasn't for commander.
And that would have been a good thing.
>>98424559Run fight cards. Finishing Move will let you sticker Toski into a permanent 5/1
>no good food commanders revealed for the hobbit yet>very few food cardsI'm not feeling too great about this set guys...
>>98424822Calm down and have some second breakfast, they'll figure it out
>Building a gruul cast from exile deck>Etali is infact going to be in it, but no the commander.Should I really buy this just to find the etalior the boardwide dino who will also go hard as fuck with Expedited Inheritance?
>>98424896>Buy>Ub slopNever
>>98424022Seeing that mace brought me back, what should a legendary equipment cycle be like?>W - Ashbringer>U - Atiesh>B - Frostmourne>R - Sulfuras>G - no clue i never played druid or hunter or shaman
>>98424896>Should I really buy this just to find the etaliyes
Is this even worth running in an equipment deck due to the cost or should I focus on some cheaper individual artifact recursions?
>>98425004You should have it with cheaper recursion, yes.
>>98425004I run it, Buried Ruin and Brought Back in my equipment deck. You're playing an artifact matters deck so even with recursion you have to accept you might get fucked by a Vandalblast
Does anyone here actually play the game in public? Not just going to the LGS to meet your friends each week, I mean playing with randoms.
>>98425071I used to, but now I work during commander night hours. So now I just play with the bros a game night.
>>98425071Have of my decks are proxies and custom made proxies so I just play with friends
>Does anyone want to play my special commander format?>Maybe, what is it?>Well, we start with our commanders on the field and then we play like normal, except you can play any amount of lands you want on turn, and every time you play a land you draw a card. It makes games dynamic.>Okay... so what commander are you playing?>Mono-green tifa>This was a 40 year old man.
Dwarf Chads won bigly with this set
>>98425109>Arabella, but worse
>>98424779oh thats actually legal in commander...interesting dont know much about those as I didnt play in the beginning of the 2020s (started in 2010 though)the sorcery I have in there Smell Fear is a fight card and proliferates. I'll have to look at what else is out there
>>98422773>pull out deck>guy across groansI'm...I'M GONNA REED
>>98425114>tribal card that actually benefits and supports the creature type>generic low cost token slop attack trigger deckReminder this format used to be fun
>>98424822>>98424886[I plan on buying this single individual token for $5 or less because im not spending $40 on tokens)
>>98425109Dwarfs seeing a revival this set. Hopefully the set will have enough dwarfs that you can stick primarily with the new ones.
>>98425131>NOO! this one is better because its forces me to be more autistic despite them both being "attack triggerslop!"Lawl, retard.
>>98424896if its not about casting it for freebuy this instead. its $2.50.
>>98425142You're right Magda is much better>drops multiple mox cards turn one>searches Portal or instant win artifact combo>pings entire board for 1000+ and instantly winsPure kino!
>>98424896>>98425002or just get it from the Mage
>>98425170I'll go broke before i give a cent to communists.
>>98425174Where do you think all the materials that physically make up magic cards come from my delusional dude
>>98425071yeah I have tried to play with randoms. got back into playing online this winter on MTGO then built up a couple decks in paper. a month ago I got one terrible mismatch. wanted to do bracket 4 and this one dude played his cedh deck and the other 2 dudes had b3s. played one relatively short game then I had to pick up my GF. not bad dudes but not a great game at all. the one guy seemed kind of like a try hard, I think he does standard tournamentslast 4 weeks ive popped in the store was opening some packs and rearranging some stuff at a table waiting 45 mins to an hour for a game nothing popped up everyone already had their pods (what the fuck is the point of going to an LGS then where you cant drink or smoke in there?)last week I was walking up but hitting a vape and looked inside and it was pretty busy but it just looked like too many huge fatso nerds I couldn't even walk in I couldn't bring myself to do it. I have bracket 2 and 3 decks to lead with and there are like 2 or 3 other game shops in a 15 or 20 mile radius just this one is the main one I know of, I think theres better ones in this area
>>98425186Blue core card stock is made in China, Europe and the US. You and I both neither have the information to confirm or deny wotc is buying it from china.I know I am giving money directly to a communist when I buy a bootleg however.
>>98425128where the HELL is your rhystic?
>>98425199You're giving money to a communist/child abuser when you buy literally anything from a corporation now FYI.
>>98425206>3 mana>does not increase my RPMNo thanks
>>98425174I dont know anything about bootleg mage being a communist. thats an American proxy curator (based out of AZ or FLA I forget) not from China direct. not a Maoist
>>98425199blue core stock is SUPPOSED to be made in Germany not China. All the GōtC cards made in Belgium, Japan and America are supposed to use proprietary German blue core...do they still? No clue. I'm sure the Chinese have a decent facsimile by now. But most "Chinese reprints" have black core as far as I understand.
>>98425220>American proxy curatorYeah. He's like proxy king. He buys them from chang directly, for literally pennies, then upsells them 300%. Not only is he directly supporting chang, he's a jew. Double reason to not give him money.
>>98425234his upcharge is 80¢. I alternate between ordering from him and ordering direct from Underground Sea. His foils are actually the same price unless you're buying in mass bulk which is what he does. I buy like 60 dollar orders to finish out decks every other month or so. Mage also gets them from Black Lotus and this other guy Ron. I spend a decent amount on good cards I like, like Reserved List shit and stuff I like but I'm not paying crazy prices for game pieces for a player-made game. Nor do I want to directly support groomers of the coast in their current configuration. so I'd rather support counterfeiters including American and Chinese upstart businessmen. I buy a lot of singles on eBay and TCGroomer supporting regular Americans (too expensive to buy from Canada) but B Mage and USea are doing a great thing unless GōtC starts reprinting the duals and other shit. and then theres still the moral quandary of support GōtC even if they did
>>98425219thats bold. is it wise? I'm not sure.
>>98422773Mono-green represent!
>>98425263great land base. hate the modern black bottom border especially on lands, this is perfect. I just ordered a bunch of 8th and 9th edition forests to do the same for my mono green [TOSKI posted above] deck. the foil 8th edition stuff is awesome for keeping black borders though, have an island like that
>>98424559>all unique forests>OG Sylvan LibraryBased.
any battle tribal chads getting excited
>>98425310Yeah my favorite is invasion of your moms butthole
>Did you pay?>Yes>Did you pay?>No, I can't, I need to play stuff>Did you pay?>Stop asking jesus, no I'm not>Okay>What are you doing?>Well you told me to stop asking, so I'm just paying attention and taking my reward for not paying>DUDE WHAT THE FUCK YOU CAN'T JUST NOT REMIND ME!
>>98425356that's what she said GOTTEM
>>98425361I LOVE RHYSTIC STUDYI LOVE RHYSTIC STUDY!!
So you flicker him and spam boardwipes? Seems kinda miserable to play against. Anyone tried him?
>>98425262Rhystic doesn't really do much for me. I am not spending turns 1, 2, and possibly 3 doing anything but setting up the Reed machine. Once it starts, I'm not planning a game that is going to last long enough for rhystic to accumulate insane value. And this is bracket 3 and there are already 3 game changers there (Cyc rift, ancient tomb, and mystical tutor which I plan to replace with fierce guardianship to protect the Reed Nation)
>>98425378Only played him in the 99
>>98425361Every time I put out a Rhystic like effect I remind people once the next turn and just do my own thing.
>>98425306danke homie
>>98425361If you have no mana open then I am just drawing the card because this isn't even a question anymore.
>>98425262It's not. Anon is falling for the very common mistake of tunnelvisioning on his wincon over resource accumulation. Unless your deck intends to end the game on turn 2 you should be running Rhystic Study.
>>98425389just run all 4 of those and if the off chance you draw all 4 say "oh dang I forgot"bracket 3s "rules" are retarded like arbitrary BS. when I returned to the game this past winter having stopped playing well before the Lab Leak Incident, the game changer brackets were new to me. my main deck had a Chrome Mox in it. it was definitely not a "bracket 3" deck. it just helped cast a non-green Elder Dragon-style expensive commander. it was very much just "battle cruiser" magic1 GC doesn't make it bracket 3. 4 doesnt make it bracket 4. in my opinion
>backup yeva with build in rampOH FUCK IM GONNA CUM
>>98425465Anon thinks all decks are midrange decks.
>>98425444I pitch Simian Spirit Guide to pay for Rhystic. Because you looked at the top card of your library, you created an irreparable gamestate. The judge will be over to vaporize you shortly.
>>98425444I'm using my simian spirit guide mana bigot
There is no case in which sol ring isn't the correct turn 1 play.
>>98425477>gets gangraped
>>98425471Council of Reeds is, in fact, not a combo deck that ends the game on turn 2. Therefore it wants Rhystic Study.
>>98425479Name one reason not to play sol ring turn 1
>>98425479I am the gangrape.
>>98425473>>98425474Great minds think alike
>>98425483turn 1 esper sentinal
>>98425477Turn 1 Burgeoning
>>98425522>>98425529False.
>>98425479this has been debunked
>>98425533This has been debunked.
never tried commander beforegonna give it a go in arena
>>98425603But arena doesn't have commander
>>98425618my bad i didnt finishim gonna try brawl
>>98425624>>98425618mtgo has commander was playing all day today
>>98425378I tried him in kambal but the AI only attacked me with the token(s), it got annoying so I switched it out
Building Omo with a zillion 3 card infinites is bracket 2, right?
what odd items do you keep in your gunty bag? [gunty is slang term for your game bag 'round these parts]
>>98425603Brawl can be nice to see if you like a commanders play patterns and game plan and I use it to test regularly but the format being 1v1 makes certain decks and strategies way more viable than in commander so just keep that in mind, glhf anon :)
Any creature should be eligible as commander, legendary or not
>>98425747my brawl wife... why is she so terrible in commander...
>>98425749only for nephilim
>>98425749play pedh
>>98425749Any card should be eligible as commander.
>>98425782growth spiral is my commander
>>98425782Mishra's Factory is my commander
>>98425804Sure go ahead.
>>98425820Technically doesn't work since you can only play lands from your hand but why not.
>turns just about every spell in Shantotto into a draw fiveGood god.
>>98425862cute
breenabros...
>>98425972Cute keeps winning!
Test
>>98425995Got banned again?
>>98426014Nope just a warning this time, carry on
I wish there was a fun mono white commander
>>98425071I did and had fun and now the 8 people I met meet up at our houses as a personal pod and are my friends
>>98426104Most mono commanders aren't fun because they're either shit (because mono is a major limitation), or they autoplay the game if they untap.
>>98426104I always wanted this guy to be good.
>>98426104I love mono-w. Built related it's silly>>98426126I have this. It's built around punishing blocking.
>>98424498He doesn't actually play.
>>98426111which is she?
>>98426136>I love mono-w. Built related it's sillyI built this and it was snails pace slow.
>>98426104I wish white had an actual color identity.
>>98425468>bracket 3s "rules" are retarded like arbitrary BS>btw 1 GC doesn't make it bracket 3. 4 doesnt make it bracket 4. in my opinion. which is totally not arbitrary BS as well. totally.
>>98425665>Building Omo with a zillion 3 card infinites is bracket 2, right?yesthis is why gavin's reasoning for making distinctions between 2-card and 3-card infinites actually impractical and easily sidestepped in practice as really it just becomes a contest as to who can build a deck with the most number of modular 3 card combos, see cedh lumraultimately brackets are about *when* you can pop off with an infinite or a you-win-the-game condition like thoracle, not the number of cards involved
>>98426224The superior way to judge a decks power has always been turns to a win without disruption.
I feel like we are gonna start to see a ton of cards like this to try to remedy the issue of UB sets in non-commander formats.
>>98426270auto include in cid
>>98426262>The superior way to judge a decks power has always been turns to a win without disruption.except you then run into arguments like>hey my deck only has a 2%/4%/8%/12%/16%/20% chance to pop off so please allow it in b2>hey my deck has a 40%/50%/60%/70%/80%/90% chance to die to a single doom blade so please allow it in b2brackets have always been about *when* you can combo off, not how likely/unlikely you can do it or how resilient/unresilient your deck is
>>98426276Got a build to share? I've thought about it since him being legendary is a neat change
not sure if you guys are ready for this yet: aggro is a form of combo
>>98426278>it in b2That's why brackets are ass yes.
>>98426270It really does need to happen at this point. Marvel is the best selling set of all time but made near zero impact on standard. Hard to build a deck around new cards when they all kill each other for having 2 on the board.
>>98426289but enough about our decks being 7
>>98426286voltron is fine in b2 timmy relax
>>98425004Could be nice in an aura deck rather than equipment imo
Got the last few cards for her just in time for commander night. Wish me luck playing my snake wife for the first time /edhg/.
>>98426296Power level was also assThe only thing that ever worked was turns to win without disurptionIf it averages topless than 4 and everyone else is twelve you have mismatched decks. Everything else is stupid as fuck and exists purely for rewards to try and get their win in at the lgs
>>98426309>The only thing that ever worked was turns to win without disurptionso fynn the fangbearer is supposed to be a higher tier than esper boardwipe.dec? lol>Everything else is stupid as fuck and exists purely for rewards to try and get their win in at the lgscorrect brackets are entirely about randoms playing for wins at the lgs and if you're being filtered by that then it's doing its job
>>98426173I thought its identity was control and dealing with on board threats
>group that i played 4 and cedh broke up>2 got new jobs and stopped showing>1 is moving>2 are too busy with family now >last 2 sold their high dollar stuff that can't be put into their low power stuff>remaining commander players in the area are 80 iq Timmy's that think sideways dinos is peak magicAt least pauper is alive and well in my area since it looks like I'll be playing commander with spelltable autists now
>>98426104I'm gonna try my damnedest to make this Wanderer Voltron deck work in B3, it's jank but I believe in white-haired swordsmaster lady supremacy
>>98426306Good luck anon. This group of gods were cool.
>>98422692This hasn't been debunked
anything spellslingery in command zone for mono red that doesn't start at 5+ mana to get online?
>>98426532ragavan
>>98426532Maybe Electro or Saga Urabrask?
>>98426541>>98426542i'll take em into consideration, thanks
>>98422684>it just works
>>98426426I really like her in general. what creatures are you using to get the convoke?
>>98426850here's my current listit's mostly stuff that can buff her passively along with some stuff like Codsworth that can tap after her initial castI also have a bunch of tap oulets like springleaf drum, relic of legends, and holdout settlement for on-demand hexproof
>>98426915going wide in voltron sure seems like a contradicting gameplan. you have any exalted creatures? many anthem creatures seem too expensive
>grand abolishfagI'm so tried of this card
>>98426915>that can tap after her initial castMaybe I just don't get it, but why? She gives other tapped creatures hexproof.Also, you look into Icatian Crier?
>>98425976Totaru Taru Victory
>>98427026it's not go wide, there aren't any tokens going out, just buffers>>98427090exactly that, if i dont have a convoke spell on hand i don't have to be attacking for them to activate her hexproof if they have their own tap abilities, they get targeted for removal like for codsworth i can just tap him and fizzle the single target
This seems pretty neat, I hope it won't lead to just being an Eldrazi commander
>how did building a low power deck go anon?>I gave up, it's impossible to play without free spells
>>98426532I like Ivora since red has a bunch of discard draw spells, she filters your hand in the meantime while filling your graveyard. When you wanna pop-off you can just ritual into a bunch of the flashback spells you’ve been discarding. Copy a wheel effect a couple times and start one-shotting nerds. I play mine as pseudo voltron that has the opportunity to cast breach and burn em all out in the late game
>>98426104I was thinking of doing a mono white "supreme justice" + soldiers tribal deck with this dude. less oppressive than Elesh Norn and more obscure
>>98426203because the cards on the "game changer" list are arbitrary and do not have an equal weight distribution regarding "power level" which also depends on a deck greatly*****NUANCE***** you learn something new every daywhat makes Worldly Tutor (which I just made you put the top card of your library directly to your graveyard) so much better than TIME OF NEED
Years of despising what Magic has become have caused a friend of mine to only build the most rancid shitpiles for decks. He insists other peoples' decks aren't fun because they're full of boring slop. It's like the /edhg/ mentality cranked up to self-parody levels at this point.
>>98427320Well? You going to post what those decks are, or just leave us hanging?
>>98427167playing 20 creatures is pretty wide in voltron especially when most of them don't buff. it's not always about tokens
>>98427317>what makes a 1cmc instant better than a 2cmc sorcery?>please take me seriously an anon like me has more authority in making arbitrary decisions and telling people what to do than wotc themselves
>>98427381Ah, gotcha. I thought 20 was already on the low side, do they usually get like 15-18 creatures?
>>98427320your friend can vote btw
How do I build it anons?
>>98427435You want to get a start your engines card down as fast as possible to start generating speed. Your speed go up the turn you get speed 1 so it'll take 3 turns if you can make an opponent lose life once each. The ideal is an evasive one drop gets placed turn 1 and you get a start your engines card down turn 2 but samut is 6 mana so idk maybe that timer is a little less strict. The discounts your non creature spells and buffs your little guys, go wide and cast extra combat spells for cheap and beat people to fucking death
>>98427366I don't have his lists.
>>98427471Thanks anon appreciate it
>>98427517Yw anon, GL have fun
>>98427472You don't know his commanders and a few shitposty cards in his decks?
>>98427537He makes a new deck every week. A lot of the shitposty cards are just French vanilla commons or uncommons. The decks are still functional in a sense they just get crushed if players are running coherent strategies.
>>98427230The unfortunate truth is that any big stompy deck eventually just devolves into an eldrazi deck because jotc in their infinite wisdom decided the biggest and stompiest creatures should be colorless.
>>98427562Dinosaurs are the new retard-proof stompy tribe.
>>98427553what's pitiful is that your friend's decks will get crushed even by PreEDH decks too so really he's just a guy howling at the wind
>>98427581He can still win because players at our local game store are on-average retarded. There is some method to his deckbuilding, inasmuch as being the least threatening at any given time just lets you come up from behind and win.
>>98427588>he can win against retarded players!i know he's your buddy but this isn't exactly glowing praise
>>98424661Limited should be over. Imagine a world where they stop making those boring cards that are only good in limited formats. Goddamn. That would be awesome
>>98427562Didn't you see the deck that somebody posted in this very thread? Calling it "mono green". Still eldrazi in there. Nice green, deck, dude. Totally mono green
>>98427593Look that's all we got. The LGS state here is dire.
>>98427230old thrush tribal
>>98427435I just realized this is like the only Aetherdrift card I have>MFW I actually have to buy that box of Aetherdrift cards that's been sitting at my LGS since it came out
>>98427392kinda depends. in your deck you do want creatures but more ones that protect, give evasion or buff. like mother of runes and skrelv. just as an example, I know effects like masako are very fun but are you really ready to block with your value creatures that enable your whole strategy?
>>98424600They should unban it but only for mono red players
Finally settled on him for my Final Fantasy Summons deck after a few threads of deliberating. It's going to have a birthing pod sub-theme, some artifact clones, a couple token-doublers that I own but not too many. Throne of Geth seems exceptional for getting lots of triggers too.Anyone got any cute interactions? It'll probably end up being about bracket 3.
>>98427435vehicles from the same set propably. just to double dip on the effects
>>98425174Then enjoy getting fucked in the ass chud
>Long time friend asks me to build his daughter a magic deck because she finds commander more fun than Lorcana>Says any cards that he has for the deck he'll gladly give no matter what>every time I ask if he has a certain common or uncommon he says "what if I wanna use it in another deck?"I mostly want to build this deck because they see me as family at this point but damn this is annoying
>>98427729the new emrakul that steals every creature and sacs them when she leaves (if they can ever manage), giving you tokens of everything. even a boardwipe won't save them if you stack your triggers rightI also have natural affinity because fuck bracketsfated clash also seems like a good one sided wipe at instant speed tho I haven't been able to draw it yet. note that you can choose your commander even if it doesn't block
>>98427761>the new emrakul that steals every creature and sacs them when she leaves (if they can ever manage), giving you tokens of everything. even a boardwipe won't save them if you stack your triggers rightI'm not really interested in going too far off the saga creatures route. That's the tech I'm looking for. Brenard is pretty powerful baseline, so he enables a lot of strategies and I don't like things getting too busted.
>>98425976I want to play her in my artifact tokens deck, but she's just too expensive. Do you think she will ever get a reprint?>>98426270I like Key to the City better
>>98427761>I also have natural affinity because fuck bracketsrelax anon gavin specifically says it's not your fault if you're relying on other people to blow up all lands (hence the "regularly" in his mld definition)
>>98427773fair enough. I just listed things I have in my deck. propably some counter shenanigans like nesting grounds then to manipulate the sagas. a saga doesn't die if you remove the last counter from it after the trigger before it resolves btw
>hehehe well you see through this loophole in the guidelines I will sneak some MLD into lower brackets so I can play it against people who specifically chose a play environment where they wouldn't have to deal with it! Why? Because fuck brackets and fuck Gavin for telling me how to play!Genuinely bizarre anti-social behavior. What's the point? Are you just not good enough at the game to play MLD at the power level where people are actually prepared for and expecting it?
>>98427842Nah, you shouldn't be able to opt out of MLD. That's faggy
>>98427842>NOOOO I NEED MY MLD FREE SAFE SPACE YOU BIGOTS NOOOOOOO >YOU SHOULD ONLY BE ALLOWED TO CUEATE HECKIN EPIC TYPAL SHITPILES AND TEPID DRAW EFFECTS, YOUR DECK IS TRIGGERING ME
>>98427854You shouldn't be able to opt out of getting turn 3 thoracle'd / breached. That's faggy
>>98427842exploiting loopholes is proper magic just as garfield intended
>>98427869not my problem gavin decided that t9 was the right time to do you-win-the-game combos in b2just settle for t1 discard jin gitaxias t2 reanimate instead
>>98427869The difference is that's inherently cringe. Resolving Armageddon is based and should always be allowed. Trying to win on turn 3 just makes you a fag.
>>98427866>NOOOO I NEED MY MLD IN B2 AND B3 YOU NIGS>I SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY WHATEVER I WANT BECAUSE I'M MOMMY'S SPECIAL BOY AND ITS NOT REAL MAGIC IF YOU DON'T LET ME
>>98427878>The difference is that's inherently cringebut griefing is also inherently cringe
>>98427866I just assume people like this are shitters that can't cut even cut it at low level play and need to find ways to bend the rules to make the experience as miserable as possible for everyone
>>98427896hey don't look at me i only use cards that actually win the game and not waste people's time
>>98427890MLD isn't griefing
>>98427904>yeah let me blow up my own lands for shits and gigglesriiiight anon slash your own wrists too while you're at it to own the chuds
>>98427900>erm you're wasting my time in this inherently time-wasting CARD GAME!lol!
>>98427910you clearly have no idea how much time people can strip off you
>>98427932That card is also just boring combo slop
>>98427950i WISH people would use this card as boring combo slop
>>98426104ENTER
>>98427887Complaining about people using perfectly fun and valid strategies in a game and gatekeeping them out is an antigamer and feminine trait>>98427896I don't bend the rules, I'm just pointing out how the rules are objectively stupid and created by shitters that need to play their quirky 7 drops
>>98427876I'd rather this one than the "everything is countered" one tbqh.
>cast a spell, and out it back into my library from my graveyard.>Shuffle my library 6 times from then on>Get accused of cheating because I managed to get that card again>By a guy who reanimated a card from his graveyard that was exiled.
>>98428039>By a guy who reanimated a card from his graveyard that was exiled.surely you'll tell us what he replied after right?
>>98427976>and created by shitters that need to play their quirky 7 drops...Yeah? That's the point of EDH. If you want to play fast strategies to win, that's literally what B4/B5 are there for. You just don't play them because you know you'll get your ass kicked in by someone running a gay combo and you can't stop them. You're another "waaa, you shouldn't do YOUR thing because I want to do MY thing" newfag.
>>98428109>comboing off on turn 9 / turn 7 is fast nowlol
>>98427878Both are cringe because faggots like you don't ever use Armageddon to actually close out a game
>>98428138Weren't you whining that you couldn't play MLD in b2/b3?
>>98428159yes you can't play MLD as defined by gavin in b2/b3, why are you blaming me for his own logic?
>>98428158Who cares?
>>98427976The whole point of edh was to play retard big creatures and have slower games that don't happen in other formats
>>98428109Nobody wants to play bracket 4/5 though, ergo relegating strategies to them is essentially soft banning your ability to play them. Also since commander is the only format people want to play it shouldn't be ruled by quirk chunguses who want to battle cruise without MLD
>>98428171i care that you got btfo
>>98428173the whole point of EDH is that rhystic study is supposed to be legal everywhere
>>98428171I do, dummy. Armageddon with no actual finish plan is the same tier of gay and lame as Farewell with no quick finish
>>98428167Just go away you limp-wristed autistic retard.
>>98428204Uh oh melty
>>98428176I play B4 and I know a lot of shops where people play and have decks for B5.Point noted, though, but surprise surprise a lot of people don't want to play in formats where unfun strategies are allowed. You can grief a game without being the retard that plays MLD with no followup.
>>98428173Uh, no? Otherwise they wouldn't ban big scary Emrakul and Prime Time while leaving Rhystic Study and Arcum legal. It was always meant to be the "blue wins" format.
>>98428212Says the retard that spends every day trying to get a do-over on some argument he lost last week.You don't even play the game thread shitter.
>>98428056>Umm.. I don't think that's what happened to it....>Okay fine, I take it back.Cheaters are usually the first to claim other people are cheating
>>98428235I love how you're still seething that UB is better than UW and that there's nobody in the dead containment thread for you to talk to
Reminder 83% of /edhg/ either doesn't play the game, or only plays with the same group of players.
>>98428185Oh, you're one of those players. Why would I not play Farewell to slow down the board if I'm behind?
Unban Upheaval I need it to slow the game down when I'm behind.
>>98428263Sorry it meets gavin's mld definition it will never be unbanned
>>98428244Point given.
>>98428185LOL what is this shitter mentality?>nooo what if the game goes long? I might have to draw a card and pass!!!ADHD zoomoids ruined this game
>>98428280You don't play commander. You just shitpost on /edhg/ with opinions you don't even believe, but know are provocative and retarded enough to get (you)s. This has been your hobby for years.
>>98428277But enough about bringing up the last thread out of nowhere
>>98428291Btw you are so mindbroken by me that you're lashing out at other anons kek
>>98428314Meant for >>98428244 I think.
>>98428318Also meant for >>98428244 I think
>>98428291I have played commander long enough to see it degraded. You've just got a newfag mentality that's become ever-more pervasive the longer WotC has dipped its cock into this format.
>>98428328>>98428333>i think
>>98428245I can tell because hardly anyone makes new decks and shows them. Also the people that do usually get ignored when they ask questions about their potential commanders
>>98428361>If you aren't making a new deck every week you aren't playing with randos or at allWut
>>98428369yes
>>98428347>wa wa your a newfag if you don't want me casting Armageddon and then giggling like a toddler that just shat himself>why are you guys pulling out bracket 4 decks? come on I thought we werr all here to have a good time and play cards without any abrupt gameending plays?(Three weeks later)>Hey guys I'm ready to.. oh... I see you have a fourth. Can we make this a five- oh... I guess that would be odd. Okay. Hey, a three-man pod! Can I- Oh, I guess. I mean, I can shuffle up since you guys look like you just drew your- Wow, you guys land-pass quick. O-Okay, see you later... Oh, hey. I don't like dual commander that much, but- Oh, yeah, I guess that really is a pretty island worth staring at for five minutes instead of playing. Uhm.. hey, weird question, but do you know where there might be another store with commander nights?
>>98428376>all this projectingholy shit lol
>>98428379False. I'm not trying to ankleshoot mld into b2/b3.
>>98428386Is this mld
>TQ >Kinnan makes infinite mana>Uses his ability >Respond to the ability with sudden spoiling >Has no other way to dump his mana>DiesAbout it.
>>98428386I don't even run MLD because I'm not a fan of the play pattern. I didn't even run it back in the day when it was a little more acceptable. I just find it very cringe that WotC has policed it out of the format.
>>98428376>I'll cast armageddon; holding priority, sacrifice my savannah lions to cast flare of fortitude. I will now proceed to beat you guys to death with my commander and my 4/4 angels, gg?>NOOOOOO you can't do this game-winning play in our bracket 3 AIIIIEEEE GAVIN SAVE ME!!!!
>>98428400If it helps you feel better it was policed out not because of you but because of griefers full of mld with no wincons>yes other people ruined your experience>like voting!
>>98428225I don't grief people, I just think commander as it currently exists curates a bunch of whiny bitches, it's very antigamer behavior. It's a little surprising wotc can't figure out a good way to incentivize and track table matches so people play with randoms more and have a better idea who they're playing with
>>98428392No.
>>98428403i dunno about you but i just boardwipe then go for a liliana dreadhorde general + deepglow skate ftw, b2 legal just as gavin intended
>>98428403>I will now schizo an entire game in my head because nobody will play with me irl.
>>98428430>so people play with randoms more and have a better idea who they're playing withThe whole point of brackets is so that when you're with randoms, there's an understood power range with certain mechanics and interactions not being expected.
>>98428430wotc can't track them even if they wanted to because the vast majority play in their basements and not at the lgsthat's actually part of why they created brackets, so that the data they get from the lgs is unified and not just a bunch of rule zeroes
>>98428440This is just all of /edhg/ where they manufacture perfect scenarios in their head then if you look at their deck it's 20 "combos" like this with no way to actually draw or tutor them.
>>98428464>20 "combos" like this with no way to actually draw or tutor them.you mean peak edh as sheldon intended?
>>98428467sheldon never banned tutors
>>98428446I get that, but again brackets fucking blow and creates a bunch of whiny retards and makes anything bracket 4+ essentially soft banned>>98428449I refuse to believe there's not a way to make it fun and gather that data that doesn't breed whiny antigamers. I won't embarrass myself pretending I know better than them, but there's 100% a better way so I can play decks that interest me without trolling that overall fit the power level
>>98428472I don't know how to tell you this, but playing Armageddon and not winning on the next turn is an asshole move, and thinking people are "whiny bitches" for not wanting to see that cancer is a low-key sign of autism.
>>98428467Sheldon intended blue to be the only viable color which is why Rhystic got to dodge a ban the format's whole life even as it was being raped by monoU and esper for 15 years.
>>98428472>wotc should have a database of every single edh game ever just so antigamers will stop complaining when I blow up everyones lands for no reason!
>>98428470Tutors are nothing but a fool's means to control the deck.Card draw is brittle tree to be clung to by cowards.Bring me the randomness, bring me the winds of change. I won't know the direction, but I know I will soar
>>98428486You've been seething about Rhystic for months now.
>>98428481I don't do that though, and haven't since I was new to the game. I just want the ability to play Armageddon at all in bracket 3 as part of a strategy
>>98428496and yet (You) are afraid of the Prime Time
>>98428497but you actually can, because this one gives replacement thus evading gavin's mld definition>inb4 you're going to kvetch about having to pay 6cmc in a bracket where people play diabolic tutor
>>98428502Ramp is the most broken thing in this game, regardless of what people say.Cultivate should be banned, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>98428538>You've been seething about Rhystic for months now.>Cultivate should be banned, and I'm tired of pretending otherwise.
>>98428502I'm cool with prime time staying banned because searching for two specific lands is really strong especially when Horizon Explorer and Spelunking exist
>>98428556>searching for two specific lands is really strongreally?
>>98426104I have 42 mono white decks, what are you looking for?
>>98428497Why? What strategy is so pivotal on running Armageddon that can't be shifted into a B4 or sidegraded?
>>98428502Field of the Dead earned its spot and Prime Time was banned before that came out.
>>98428561Yes I run hour of promise in my land combo decks and I'd run both if prime time was legal. Prime time is also just better because green has more natural synergy with big creatures than big sorceries obviously
>>98428580field of the dead earned its spot as a GC and primetime should be a gc too correct
>>98428590and demonic tutor has more natural synergy than diabolic tutor by virtue of being 1B cheaper, should it be banned too?
>>98428592PrimeTime should be banned because it's FotD, Dark Depths, Thespian's Stage, and Vesuva for 6 mana.
>>98428592>>98428601>I'm retarded and butthurt that people won't let me play prime time in toski. I'd better spend the next three months making this /edhg/'s problem!
>>98422684>TQ>Opponent on Teval, the Balanced Scale>Landfall looping bullshit all game>No other player could damage him since everyone else was playing combat focused decks and he got out Glacial Chasm early>He's sacrificing it and bringing it back over and over with Teval's attack trigger and other land recursion>He's had a shit load of zombies for several turns and but hasn't bothered swinging with them>He goes for Craterhoof to finally end the game>I've had Brash Taunter on the board for several turn cycles and activate him to have him fight Craterhoof and send the damage his way now that he's got no protectionGave me a new appreciation for this goofy fuck and mono red burn.
>>98428631>gavin is already talking about unbanning grizzyb but god forbid primetime is on the tablelet me guess you thought gifts ungiven would never get out of jail
>>98428520That replaces lands, that is not the same>>98428574It's great for aggro strategies what>Can't be shifted to b4That's the point I've already been making though, nobody plays bracket 4, so that's an easy copout answer meanwhile if I build a b4 deck I never get to play it...
>>98428440He's literally goldfishing in text form in this general. Hilariously pathetic
>nobody plays bracket 4Maybe because it's filled with gay cancer like Armageddon
>>98428622>FotD, Dark Depths, Thespian's Stage, and Vesuva for 6 manai can get all of that with just 4
>>98428668Yeah. Primetime always costs 6 in green decks. Got it.
All this argument is convincing me of is that the average EDH player has F-tier card evaluation skills.
>>98428676>guys with rampant growth and steve i got out primetime turn 4>watch out guys turn 5 i have a 20/20 and my FoD is online! rawr!>this is totally broken for b3!!your b3 magicalchristmasland scenarios are hilarious
>Entomb/Reanimate is fine>Lord forbid the 6-drop get more lands though. That will be what makes lands cEDH level.
>>98428665this except unlimited gamechangers which should be banned in the first place
>>98428665Like I said, this format breeds whiny basedboys who think the only thing that's fun is their quirky tribal decks
>>98428668>posting strong cards to downplay other strong cardsOtW is probably the fairest because you have to spend 6 mana to get 4 lands and you have to (probably) hope you top deck your combo pieces/non-basics
>>98428660>That replaces lands, that is not the samei thought you were just using mld to buy you enough time for your creatures to kill people? is 2 turns not enough to at least kill the most threatening player? or maybe you just want to ruin people's lands for the sake of it?
>>98428656If you're that intimate with Gavin, what does he smell like?
>>98428705Entomb/Reanimate is also really strong but lands are harder to interact with than creatures generally. Im a landsfag I'm just not a dang dirty downplayer
>>98428660So we go back to the "sidegrade" comment.So Rule of Law, any kind of "your opponents can't cast spells on your turn," or mass evasion are out of the question? You neeeed Armageddon?
>>98428668If you want to be 2 lands on the start of T5 for the Dark Depths combo, what am I supposed to be mad about?
>>98428758I don't want to just kill the strongest player I want to stax the table out and win. It's not for the sake of it lol without land you can't stop that plan if you don't run cheap enough solutions, enough lands, or enough artifacts
>>98428695I think K'rrik should be banned too.
>>98428762not as smelly as where sheldon is now that's for sure
>>98428777What does casting spells on my turn have to do with it, I want their lands gone so they stop anything over multiple turns period. Evasion doesn't matter if they can remove it, can't remove it without lands unless you have game changers
>>98428668You trying to compare these two just proves you have no idea what you're talking about.
>>98428817>so they stop anything over multiple turns periodSo... you're not actually doing it to close out the game, you're just doing it to waste everyone's time by dragging the game out.
>>98428819jokes on you i play lands and having primetime is not going to suddenly send it to the stratosphere unless i'm running lumra cedh
>>98428830To ultimately close out the game yes. If you can end the game in a single turn there are clearly better choices yes I don't disagree. If you have a board state that's ahead but requires 2-3 turns to create more value and finally win Armageddon seems like the best play
>>98428541>This general is one person
>>98428799and yet he's not and whining about primetime while he's running around free feels so puny huh
>>98428766Then wouldn't the problem be the lands, not the creature?
>>98428852I can appreciate that you at least want to end it in a timely way, but still am unconvinced that there isn't any kind of sidegrade you can run that doesn't end up being a similar result.
>>98428850You can't Natural Order any of the sorceries you keep posting you dumb faggot.
>>98428887you can tutor for them though, i'm sure golgari lands is tearing up the b3 metagame fr fr
>>98428907You can also T1 Prime if you're in black.
>>98428918but you can tutor for the green sorceries *now*, surely they're tearing up the b3 lgs fnm?
>>98428922Please read Natural Order you nogame faggot.
>>98428877And your probably right, there's been what 30 years since it? But 1, that may not be so in a singleton format, and 2, I think it's very despiteful that I can't run strats I want even if I don't have the intention to troll with them because the playerbase has been taught to whine and bitch about them. It's really not that strong you're totally right, and I think it's more flavor full and using mechanics to their limits. I think people would want/run MLD less if people stopped caring so much
>>98428944>i always have a creature to sac in lands.dec to slam primetime t4!amazing, i too always have it
>>98428971New thread.
>its a bracket 2 deck with game changersheard this interesting description of bracket 3 in the store today.
>>98428958>can't run strats I wantI can respect land destruction as a mechanic in aggro and played with it a few times because it can lead to a win as you described, when you're ahead of the board that no individual player's state can stop you. I do have contention with saying that specific way is an endgoal strategy. Its implying that you think you will always have some unanswerable board that your opponent's nonland permanents can't handle. Which, if you're consistently getting to that point, your deck is using it as a win-more.But I say that without a list or table in front of me, so I don't know if a Void Winnower, Retribution of the Meek, a Silence on an Isochron Scepter, or the like does practically the same thing for you.>the playerbase has been taught to whine and bitch about themThere's no "taught" anything. You need to sit back and realize you're arguing over taking away the game's main resource from players. Players who join a game usually want to play the game. It doesn't matter if it's a sound part of a strategy; certain colors just do not have a way to deal with MLD and others only really have silver bullet cards that aren't worth running in 99.99% of cases. You're talking about a mechanic that effectively makes people unable to play the game, leaving them with the option to either scoop or waste time hoping they draw a quick answer.
