>You can fight good>You can heal kinda good>You are brave>Goodest sword (Maybe)IN RETURN, YOU MUST:>Have insanely high scores (You will never roll this fairly) >Offer up 90% of your gold to the church>Live a life enslaved to Lawful Goodtism>Accept that the other players barely tolerate you>Gain 150,000 motherfucking XP before you can tie your shoes>It costs twice that to reach Level 2. >Never use poison, cunning, stealth, or common senseAND IF YOU SLIP UP EVEN ONCE>Lose all Paladin levels>Become lost in the wilderness for 40 days and nights>God sends the Angel of Anal Rape to visit you>DM rips up your character sheet, forever. More like Scam-adin.
>>98436750Not how it works anymore
>Make Paladin>Realize it overlaps 99% with Cleric>Shit up one of the two every edition trying to make them different
>>98436768Never liked this line of thinking. It always devolves into “well we dont need the Elf” and “well Thieves dont serve a purpose either”Then you keep stripping elements until the only class is Fighter or Magic User
>>98436768They're literally both good in 4e and 5e.>>98436750>He doesn't realize lawful good is the alignment of half the characters he likes in media and mythNGMI
>>98436784The real dumb line of thinking is saying everything is black and white.
>>98436750just don't slip up dumbass.what, little baby needs to poison things? little baby can't win a fair fight? so sad.try being nice to people some time, there is still hope.
>>98436784>Then you keep stripping elements until the only class is Fighter or Magic UserYes.
Paladins can be pretty fucking evil when blinded by dogma
have you tried not playing DnDogshit?
>>98437025No, they can't. If they're evil then they fall and they're no longer a paladin.
I'm glad I realized a long time ago that I can just make games with character options I'd potentially like to use; it's one of the biggest advantages of TTRPGs, you can write your own rule set and then play it.
>>98436750Is it not possible to homebrew your own paladin oath these days? Just make one where your entire oath is about getting rich >When asked for help, ask for gold or goods in return of your service and more importantly your oath, if asked tell them you are bound to a oath, nobody dares to questions a paladin oath..>Always negotiate and haggle for a higher pay and try to get paid in advance >Aiding people out of emotional feelings isn't allowed unless it something minor like saving little Billy who getting beaten up by bullies, only if he asks to get them to stop then you ask him for his pocket money to deal with the bullies
>>98437286>Paladin of MammonSo he’s irredeemably evil…?
>>98437546One can still do good deeds and still ask to get paid, yeah, sure, scummy if the paladin in shining armor wants to get paid before even lifting a finger to help, but they're still doing good just with a pouch of gold instead of earning good boy points But if your oath is all about making money, then I guess one must be flexible and not picky with morals when choosing their next employer and what needs to be done for cash
>>98436768in good systems that make sense, cleric is an unarmored or lightly-armored holy caster while paladin is a heavily-armored holy fighterin retarded systems that are bad, cleric fights with a melee weapon and wears scale mail
>>98436750Who are you talking to?
>>98436768>clerkfags be like "I'm gonna do paperwork at you!"
>>98437025The whole point is that paladins AREN'T fanatic religious zealots who break every law of morality because their church said so. They are actual paragons of virtue. There's a reason that most editions don't even require them to be religious. Paladins aren't the Punisher or Moon Knight. They're Captain America. They're Superman. If they ever stop championing good and justice, they stop being the character that they are. Whatever Happened To The Man Of Tomorrow shows the proper paladin ideal: the moment Superman violated his principles knowingly and purposefully, he willingly retired from being Superman. Being a symbol is a responsibility to be taken seriously. >>98437286>>98437951The problem is that when a paladin takes a literal sacred oath to be a money-driven mercenary, then even if it works and gives him magic powers, it also makes people not respect paladins as much. I actually like the varied oaths and flavors of paladins in 4e and 5e, but it logically results in a world where paladins aren't automatically respected as symbols of hope and justice. Used to be that paladins traveling through town could randomly be called on to adjudicate a trial, because their morals were beyond question; these days, they're just another type of supernatural warrior. They have interesting roleplaying that they didn't use to, but their place in the world has been diminished.
>>98438136(You)
>>98438118All classes need armor and weapons or they are unplayably uncool.
>>98438395>Used to be that paladins traveling through town could randomly be called on to adjudicate a trial, because their morals were beyond questionThis makes no sense. How am I, as an unwashed peasant, supposed to know that *this* heavily armed stranger is any different from the next?
>>98438978In theory, because *this* stranger makes you feel brave and heals your wounds with a simple touch. The expectation is that at least the mayor or magistrate would understand what a paladin is, and that these sorts of miracles are only granted to the truly virtuous, and that they can also detect evil. But honestly, I agree with you. There are just too many different supernatural things. 3rd edition told us that people can't even tell the difference between wizards and warlocks (let alone sorcerers), so surely a paladin is at the very least indistinguishable from a cleric, who can have any sort of ideology. Frankly, Dragonlance made a good case even before 3rd edition that most people can't even tell the difference between divine and arcane magic. That's part of why I prefer the 4e model that lets a paladin be a champion of any faith and whose behavior doesn't affect his powers, or the 5e model that says a paladin just needs to be devoted to SOMETHING. You can still have a traditional paladin, especially in 5e, but it also expands the concept in a way that I, at least, find interesting.
>>98436750Rules Cyclopedia has done them right. Each of the three alignments have their own take on Paladin.
>>98438978because of the subtle golden halo around his head and the choir of angels announcing his entrance every time he goes through a door
>>98438978Because paladins will let you know that THEY are a paladin and that YOU shouldn't break any laws on their watch
>>98438395>There's a reason that most editions don't even require them to be religious.The reason for that is the same reason rulebooks stopped defaulting to 'he' at about the same time. Real world politics. >>98439292Fuck you, tin can. If I want to walk around with ice cream in my back pocket on a Sunday, that's my business.
>>98438978folk knowledge tells you that paladins are extremely trustworthy dudes, you probably know six or more different ways of identifying one (that are all false, of course)
>>98438118Ewwww, a video games secondary. It probably plays WoW or FF14. Shoo, stinky secondary, shoo!
>>98439187Isn't this based off B/X? The paladin is more of a prestige class of fighting man
>>98439551>Hates robed clerics>Posts an MTG cardProjection at its finest.
>>98439562Exactly. RC is BECM without the I, that's sold separately. Paladin as an end goal makes sense. I imagine most players don't care about domain llay anyway.
>>98439376>The reason for that is the same reason rulebooks stopped defaulting to 'he' at about the same time. Real world politics. When I said "most editions," I didn't mean "recent editions." I meant "most editions," including 1st edition, before the Satanic Panic changes. The only edition that absolutely required paladins to be affiliated with a religion is 4th edition.
>>98436750>Live a life enslaved to Lawful GoodtismYou just don't get it, scotty.
>>98436814Hello newfriend. The edition is spelled out in the requirements to be a paladin OP listed out.
>be lawful good>by definition anyone you dislike must be evil>it is your imperative to smite them with a big sword>anyone who questions this is taking the side of evil paladin is EASY
>>98442182very true...
>>98442182This is the exact kind of meme paladin who's going to fall at the first opportunity without any interference from the DM.
>>98436784As God intended
>>98443264>t. evil
>>98436750>AND IF YOU SLIP UP EVEN ONCEGodless faggots cannot comprehend this
>>98436750>>You can fight goodnah, that would mean he fallen paladin
>>98443477We've all slipped up once, thank God for the forgiveness by Christ.
>>98443464>narcissistic and heretical self-deification
>>98438395>the moment Superman violated his principles knowingly and purposefullyI give him a pass on that since mixwhatever is a fucking menace and had to be dealt with permanently. But i get the point
>>98437286That's just a mercenary with a decent work ethic
