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First for House Steiner!
BUTTE HOLD
>>98438944Indomitable will!
>>98439018HA HA
On stream Ray just confirmed that the next Hot Spots is Skye, and it's the "Hinterlands II" that got mentioned earlier.
I love Battletech!
NANI?!
>>98439391https://masterunitlist.azurewebsites.net/
>>98439412So what happened to the old link?
>>98439033Are there more? I could only find the Atlas.
>>98439459Shit, saved the thumbnail by accident. This should be better.
Gentlemen. I have made great progress today in compiling the information for the 1st battle of Kapteyn Academy. The prologue lore is written, the individual post battle reports for each Mechwarrior are written. The turn by turn pictures of the battle are compiled and edited. I think I have also even cemented the upgrades and mech rolls that each player will get to be doing for the next battle. All that remains is to write up the turn by turn battle report.Doing the individual pilot reports also really helped me in seeing just how well each pilot did during the battle. It also helped me come up with a solution about how to handle some potential mech rolling for some of the pilots. I'll gladly spoil that bit now.For the 4 Mechwarriors that represented the Draconis Combine, a singular offer and ultimatum is being made. Your liason believes that it would bring great honor and glory to the dragon if a Charger was sent to the school! But who should get to pilot it? The performances of the pilots was(mostly) consistent within that lance. So it has been decided. Whichever Mechwarrior shows the greatest proficiency in the piloting stat after the next year at the academy, will be granted the honor of piloting the Charger!
>>98439459Yeah go look for Patso Catso on twatter or instagram or whatever social media.
Re-proliferation of WarShips when?
>>98439704Nice mech force ya got there, bozo>nukes it from orbit
>>98439709>Jumps with own ships behind youNice fleet you got there bozo, it'd be a shame if it got enganged into a hyper-violent, high-casualty, fightPretty funny actually that's how all the fucking 1st Succ War naval engagements went basically until the very last moment, like on Hesperus>be LCS Invincible, a respectable and beloved museum ship>be not on Hesperus>be the Drac warship fleet>be on Hesperus, and sure that the Lyrans got no WarShips to fight back>be again LCS Invincible>be on Hesperus >winabsolutely goated fight, made me legit mad when I read it got fucking comstar'd right after
>>98439745But then restored by the Wobbies and ready to be given back. Then shelled the fuck out of Tharkad. Then survives the entire Jihad. Then sent to clobber the Falcons in the DA when they try to take Skye. What a storied ship.
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>>98439763is there a list of the last Great House warships still left alive in the IlClan era?Cause I remember reading: >FWL got a few Eagles strewn about, some under Marik control, others undr the separatists>LCthe Mjolnir-class Yggdrasil >CFmaybe a fenghuang? they made a morbillion of those shitass cruisers>FSthose stupid Fox corvettes? I swear they look so obnoxious and goofy and graceless I wouldn't be surprised if they had a small flotilla of them still around>DCgot no idea what the dracs got actually
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>>98439797>will still produce things from all erasWord of Blake Celestial Level II, trust!!!
>>98439501I hope the match was a complete clusterfuck of fun.
>>98439810Generally, every state has like 3 ships functional. You can find that info in FM:3145.>>FWLUnironically one of the biggest fact-checking fuckups of all time is confusing the Delos for the Santorini. It affected the entire Regulan War. If they fix it, the ship is probably in the Deep Periphery hunting Blakists under Lester's orders.>LCInvincible and the Ygg are their biggest heavy hitters.>DCLost one of their last ships and the heir to the Dragon trying to breach the Wall.
HONOR THE DRAGON!
>>98439704IlClan-era actually has a good bit of void fighting in it and WarShips are being involved in major events (Liao) more and more these days so it seems to be happening, which I'm very happy about.
>>98439858>Lost one of their last shipsWhat happened to the dozen others they had/were building since FM: DC was written?
>>98439998Bunch of different stuff, including making some into mobile factories instead of warships.
>>98439810shit yourself, the Fox is a great looking ship. You have no taste
>Tornado stopped GenConHoly Toyama
>>98439501>Whichever Mechwarrior shows the greatest proficiency in the piloting stat after the next year at the academy, will be granted the honor of piloting the Charger!If I remember right, Marik Ishtar was in a Locust so I hope he wins because suddenly jumping up massively in size while the weapons basically stay at the same level is innately funny.
>>98439704On a meta level, we need something focused around Aerospace which seesm to be in the pipeline >>98439808. In universe, I think Pocket Warship production needs to restabilize first. They've been seemingly sent down to a nadir point, and you want to have a healthy production of them first because they can be built planet-side early on to protect any space-based infrastructure needed for full scale Warships.
>>98439515Thanks. Good stuff.
>>98439459You can get a Rheinmetall Hunchback that will cost as much as a whole lance.
Or an overfed locust.
>>98440420So that's a Light Rifle or a BA Recoilless Rifle?
>>98440428Probably a rifle if they can't even scrape up a medium laser.
>>98440450Who's this supposed to be? Melissa's mom? Or the current one?
>>98439797>>98439808>>98439815>changes changes changes40 years of no rules changes sisters...
>>98440504Changing perfection just makes for a weakling hindered by progress
>>98440504Yeah, just like how the rules never changed between the Battletech Master Rules and the Battlemech Manual.
>>98440420Are there any variants in MW5 that can do this loadout? Haven't seen one with a ballistic hard point in both the arms and torso yet.
>>98440542Or between BMR and BMRr. Or BMRr and TW. Or TW and TW. Or TW and TW. Or TW and TW. Or TW and TW.Now who wants to calculate their force size modifier? Also, someone flip a coin on how C3 line of sight works today, I'm feeling lucky.
>>98440473Nikita Mito-Steiner
>>98439815No timeline for AGOAC force pack is surprising. You'd think they would have made sure that was out around the same time as Core Box so they could capitalize on some sort of bundle deal>Look! You miss literally nothing by getting this now because it includes Old and New!I can't recommend newbies get Core if AGOAC is still being sold
>>98439844There were some great moments and I intend to highlight them in the batrep.>>98440328This pic showcases the 4 pilots representing the DC. It's from turn 2. I didn't make a turn 1 one, since there was no shooting on turn 1. Marik got hit by a ML and a MG in the CT on turn 2. Wasn't a great start for him. I've already decided that at a bare minimum, Marik will be offered the -3V variant upgrade of the Locust if he wants it. I can't imagine a person wouldn't prefer that over the -1V, but the -1V does technically have a tiny bit more armor. Regardless, the choice will be Marik's.Anyway, the DC pilots have 6, 5, 6, and 4 piloting. The Charger will go to who has the best piloting skill, not who improves the most. In the event of a tie, well, I've got a few tie-breaker ideas in mind.
A while back, I think it was NEA, posted something about the original intended colors for weapons i.e. cerulean/PPC green/LL etc. Does anyone have that?
>>98440323I mean, it did crash the con without an event badge...
>>98440740Pfft, no worse than the mill I used to work in.
>>98439357Gay
>>98440747>>98440740No worse than the nuclear plant I used to work at
>>98440806I spent way too much time at the MARF plant at NPTU, so I believe it. Hell, I know it gets so, so much worse.
>>98440740>lol, you're at gencon he's posting just one of at least 8 leaks. there was one in the west lobby, I counted 6 separate leaks in the minis hall, and there was one in the exhibition hall that they wheeled in a garbage dumpster to catch the water. then a second one after the first filled up. ICC is cooked as a building.
>>98440428>>98440445Modern tank guns are somewhere between Medium Rifles and Heavy Rifles so 7 damage.
>>98440839Unless we're going off of that one dev's logic where a Light Rifle is a previous generation tank gun
>>98439501 (Me)I have decided that I'll release the raw stat numbers from the match now. I've decided I'll track stats across 4 categories>Damage to Tonnage Ratio>Raw Damage Dealt>Accuracy>Attack Made (Combines ranged & melee)Through these 4 categories, you can see how much a pilot in any given category. Some trends definitely emerge to give you a preview of how good the pilots did in the battle. Turns out one of the Scorpion Light Tanks didn't really help, like, at all. Ooops.Names are color coded by their faction. I'm sure you can figure it out.
Gen/t/lemen, lend me your ears. Autocannons are obese, underammo'd suicide pills. Every fucking build has people ripping out the autocannons, Shadowhawk? Rip out the AC5, throw in a Large laser. Dragon? Rip that AC5 out and PPC in. It's fucking bullshit how a AC5 costs more C-Bills than a fucking medium laser, autocannons deserve better.The AC2? Nah bitch it's now a AC5. Ammo is reduced to 40 so it can be rounded down to 20 or even 10. Yeah half ton bins are a go. AC5? That's a AC10 now, and it's ammo is 30. Neither have a minimum range anymore, how the fuck does a bullet have a minimum fucking range? The AC10? It's now a AC15. Yep, it can blow your fucking head off, deal with it. Also ammo per ton is 20. The AC20? Yeah just give it 10 rounds per ton and it's good. Honorable mentions, Light Gauss Rifle does 10 damage, and the regular Gauss Rifle now carries 12 rounds per ton.
>>98440874At a glance, top five looks like McCormick, Nachomura, Buck, Kotow and Puentealto. Munroe's showing is also pretty good for a 4/5 in a SHD, so I'm satisfied with wherever Generic George ends up.
>>98440845The whole "light rifle does ZERO damage" thing? Yeah the problem with that rule is that it outright breaks the setting. Even small arms do fucking damage to BAR10, and Light Rifle's do 3 damage (unmodified). If 3 damage somehow gets reduced to zero things like LRM's, SRM's, small lasers, machine guns, HAG's, LBX clusters, all of these stop working. >b-but No buts. You can throw HEAT-FS in WW2 guns and they will fuck up BAR10. Modern day tank guns with the absolute broken tandem HEAT-FS and APFSDS would buck break battlemechs, never mind the horrors that are TOW's and Javelins.
Anyone know what the page with the yellow A at the bottom of the picture is about? I'm sure it's some game aid but I don't recognize it. GATOR is my best guess
>>98440885Easiest fix for the AC/2 is to just make it weigh 1 ton. A Machine Gun weighs 1/2 ton and does the same amount of damage. So you pay an extra 1/2 ton of weight to get better range and less ammo in the bin.
>>98440885Oh Ballistic Enjoyer of the Lake, what is your Wisdom about the Silver Bullet Gauss rifle?
>>98440910Well I decided to keep track of 4 categories so that someone won't be screwed just because they're in a light mech. Eleanor Gale, while in a Wasp, ended up being the best value for her tonnage, which is expected of the only 2 gunnery pilot in the battle. She also tops the accuracy chart. Very impressive.Meanwhile, Janusz tops the damage dealt and attacks made categories, but we can see that his accuracy sucked. Accuracy is kind of a mixed bag, as a missed shot counts as missed shot whether the pilot needed to roll an 11 or 6. Which is why I wanted to include total attacks alongside accuracy. What's it matter to have a good accuracy if you make so few attacks?It shows the most tried and true lesson of Battletech though, take every shot you can while still managing your heat. Morgan Munroe never once gained heat during the battle and sometimes attempted some terrible shots, but every turn she fired every single weapon she could. As a result, she took 5th on the damage dealt chart.Anyway, stats are fun.
>>98440953Fucking easy. Make it simply a Mk 2 Gauss Rifle and treat it as a LBX autocannon, so you can fire solid (can benefit from TC's) and cluster (cannot).
>>98440885Make AC damage count x2 for PSR threshold. Simple as
>>98440998No. Make lasers stop counting towards the psr threshold entirely.
>>98440998FUCKING EWWW>>98441046Is the PSR supposed to represent the armor being destroyed throwing off the balance of the mech or what? In my opinion a LRM 20 is going to be far less "jarring" than a AC20 impact.
>>98441233The actual instability caused by getting smacked around. An AC/20 is a 6 year old dive tackling your legs, an LRM 20 is 20 professional baseball players hucking fastballs at your simultaneously.
>>98439501>>98440874I'd be lying if I didn't say the idea of Nachomura getting his hands on a Charger isn't appetizing as hell. Glad he's managed to carry his weight so far, looking forward to the incoming batrep.
>>98441245But each carries the same malus, which is bullshit.
>>98440915Good point, reverse infantry weapons rounding up too. A locust shouldn't be able to lose a firefight against ak47s in the bush.
>>98441308>malusPlease do not use words you lack understanding of
>>98440428The one thing I'd really like to see ported over from Gothic is stats for the anti-mech rifles. If nothing else I'd like to see them as (mechanized) infantry support weapons.
>>98441308>One is one big object hitting you and exploding>The other is 20 smaller objects hitting you and explodingIt's logically consistent.
>>98440915If we were being serious simulators then many infantry small arms would be doing 0 damage.
>>98441337Virtually ALL infantry weapons should do ZERO damage to even industrial armor, with a very special exception. In Battletech both laser infantry and auto rifles can damage BAR10, which is the equivalent of dudes with M16/AK's shredding a MBT with rifle fire which is Command and Conquer levels of goofy. >exception The Mauser 960, which is a LosTech item and was the SLDF service rifle.... and weighed 10kg STRIPPED DOWN. Fully loaded it was 15kg. This is around the same weight as a Carl Gustav, which is fucking dumb, UNLESS it can also punch through armor the same way a CG can. This would make SLDF infantry units very fucking dangerous and remove the need for separate AT weapons, which is something that the Star League would do, completely ignoring soldier comfort and practicality because they can throw America++ levels of money into the military and ties into the current and past Advanced Combat Rifle programs, while the US military was limited by budget the Star League was NOT and could simply throw planets worth of GNW (Gross Net Worth) into a infantry rifle.
>>98441386>In law, malus (Latin for "bad" or "evil") generally refers to a penalty-Hey fucking midwit, kill yourself. >>98441440>a bunch of small hits totally equals that of one big one!>in fucking battletech So cluster weapons should only hit one area yeah? >>98441478>zero damage Against the armor a fucking armored vehicle carries? Here's a homework assignment, load a weapon of your choice and find a armored vehicle. Next fire for 10 seconds into that armored vehicle, and then see if that vehicle is significantly damaged. Guess fucking what, there is a reason dedicated anti-armored weapons exist.
>>98441607>misuses the word to make a physics argument>doubles down and thinks that fixes it
>>98441607BT is highly abstract, namefag-kun. And abstract in a very inconsistent manner. I don't think you'll be happy here.
>>98441643>penalty>in a rulebook that forms the laws of the setting Jesus fucking Christ are you living up to the midwit archetype aren't you? Do yourself a favor and slink away before I fuck you harder than your uncle did.
>>98441650Aniki...
>>98441650>abstract No. The rules are as written, unless you want to bloat the game even more with bullshit.
>>98441661
>>98441661Fictional guy, mid bit. Find another one, funnyman.
Oh noes
>>98441663>>98441665You know when you played "war" with kids in the sandbox, and you always responded with "my guys have complete invincibility shields and unstoppable weapons so you lose!" and they stopped playing with you? It wasn't because you were some unstoppable and intelligent person, just deeply unpleasant.
>>98441650>>98441654What mech does he pilot?
>>98441677Marginally more realistic guy but even lamer. Give it another go, you'll get the hang of it.
>>98441678If I remember my Aniki lore correctly, a Mad Cat.
>>98441684>more sarcasm The marvel levels of thinking you display are why nobody likes to play with you.
>>98441678
>>98441678A fucking Atlas.
>>98441693Nah you're just bad at this.>>98441678That bulge deserves an Awesome and nothing less.
>>98441692A Chad like him would never stain himself with Clanshit
>>98441702>n-noDo you even have self awareness? Can you please not fall into your programming?
>>98441650Abstract for a purpose though. Infantry weapons rounding up was specifically changed to please the annoying "erm but what about the heckin humble boots on the ground" guys that flooded the community.
>>98441720I'm sorry man, but you're just not giving me anything to work with. With posting like this you will never earn the honored title of Master Baiter.
>>98441733Squishies are lowest common denominator faggots, their desires should be disdained at all times
>>98441733>muh bootsAny fucking real infantryman knows that small arms are ALMOST worthless against armored vehicles. What the "poor bloody infantry" can do is give intel to friendly units, call for fire from artillery or other support, and use actual anti armor weapons from angles that mechs and vehicles will not be looking.
>>98441735You have nothing to bring to this thread anymore. Fuck off.
>>98441778Personally I don't think you ever did.
>>98441787>posts multiple informative and demonstrative facts>you>no uJust stop.
>>98441797The posts in question not being informative, demonstrative, or facts aside, you tried way weaker arguments than no u long before this. Honestly, if I hadn't wanted to do a masturbation joke I probably would have bailed a while ago, this is really samey.
>>98441817K
>>98441733Infantry weapons were changed because there is no meaningful reason to have them on the board if they cannot deal damage to the main unit type in the game. Plinking for 1 damage with a pistol as a lone trooper/mechwarrior is such an uncommon edgecase it's weird that even idiots parroting stale memes keep coming back to it.Retards then immediately shit their pants over a full strength platoon of troopers with rifles dealing like 15 damage to mech armor within 3 hexes; forgetting they deal tiny 2 damage clusters, meaning they're literally sandblasting the mech like the short-bus equivalent of an LRM-15.On top of that; all in setting lore on infantry describes how the dominance of the battlemech favors smaller formations; so massive deathstacks of several hundred infantrymen that are decried as "overpowered" literally do not exist outside of perhaps the capital T, capital B, capital T again 'The Battle of Tukayidd' or similar generational furballs.The only infantry that warps the game strangely with its inclusion is field guns as a method to skew long range firepower on boards with complete information about enemy positions and no options to shrug and say "well I guess he's got 20 gauss rifles pointed down the valley; we're just going to go around the long way and flank the retards"
>>98441880>Infantry weapons were changed because there is no meaningful reason to have them on the board if they cannot deal damage to the main unit type in the game.Infantry was meant to fight infantry, never 'mechs. Nothing short of individual barely man-portable PPCs or Inferno SRM one-shot launchers PER PLATOON should be any factor at all against Battlemechs. They should be only marginally threatening against conventional armor, with specialized weaponry to allow such. They should be annoying to BA, enough to be unignorable but not devastatingly effective against. Infantry should be deadly to other infantry, with less effectiveness as protections increase. Even 40K understood the concept of varying degrees of unit type vs unit type efficacy, where if unit X isn't equipped with/didn't purchase a weapon that can hurt what it's fighting, then it doesn't ever hurt what it's fighting, simple as. A basic bitch rifle platoon armed with nothing but small arms and low-caliber firearms should not be hanging out plinking at Battlemech armor to chip the paint and nothing else.Just my opinion, this shit isn't hard to revise to match the setting.
>>98441880I think one issue infantry rules do have is that those big deathblobs are too durable. Shooting a PPC at an infantry blob should vapaorize most of the unit, not just turn one guy to a smoking crater while the people next to him are completely unharmed.
>>98441955>it should kill a entire platoonNigger fucking 155mm artillery shells don't fucking do this never mind a piercing anti armor weapon, this is the equivalent of saying a single .50bmg should kill everyone inside a room.
>>98441976>Nigger fucking 155mm artillery shells don't fucking do thisA standard 155mm high-explosive artillery shell has a lethal blast and fragmentation radius of about 50 meters, causes severe injuries up to 100 meters, and can disable heavy armor or collapse buildings through cumulative strikes.
>>98441880Actually if you bring units unequipped for the battlefield you deserve to watch them be unable to contribute to combat and do nothing but roll casualties. Splurge on some missiles next time. It's also compounded by the anti-infantry weapon rule being highly selective, meaning a bug with lasers is almost completely ineffective against infantry and can get potentially one-turn shredded in response. It's just stupid and largely avoided by nobody running infantry anyway, which is why they're doing these support cards in the first place.Field guns are indeed one of the worst units in the game though and are kings of the "nobody fucking playtested any of this shit" side of the game.
>>98442005>against unprotected infantry >in the open Flak vests and kevlar helmets combined with taking cover reduces that statistic dramatically, if single artillery rounds killed platoons then any war would be over in minutes.
>>98442019Fair, certain conditions of course apply, but batteries don't fire single guns and a single battery can saturate a grid square.
>>98442016>field gunsOh fucking god, please don't remind me of ultra AC10 and Gauss field guns, those legitimately wanted to drop WMD's on their positions it is that bad. AC2's with flechette ammo or frag lrms's CAN deal with them but who would pack a ton of ammo that is completely useless outside of infantry and even then very underwhelming?
>>98442016Battletech gothic of all places has a special option for lasers for anti abonimation use. Which could probably be changed to work for anti infantry work as well: in the end phase you can swap firing mode of your lasers to deal half damage to all armoured sources, but your full laser damage to abominations (or infantry in this case). At half heat. (Actually giving blazers and the like a niche).Idea being you don't need as much power (thus, heat) to scorch large amounts of flesh when compared to BAR 10 armor.So a large laser in anti abomination mode could do 8 damage to an infantry platoon at 4 heat, with the downside, that you need to specifically set it to its anti infantry setting, so if an enemy mech chooses that moment to get in close, you can't retaliate as easily.
>>98442016You could take a bug that actually has a machine gun or a flamer and push on infantry without even coming close to needing to trade. 15 damage from a full platoon assuming the maximum cluster roll is 7 groups of 2 damage and 1 orphaned point of damage. A Locust 1V would need 5 of those groups to hit the same location to even go internal. Conversely, the Locust will be dealing 4 to 14 damage with each machine gun; killing a mean of 18 troopers or wiping them entirely with a max roll.The Locust will have a higher TMM, period, and can still stomp or fire its medium laser for extra juice. The bug is highly favored in this matchup, if it chooses to take it at all. Unless the infantry are on top of an objective or the only possible route, the Locust can dictate range entirely; no guessing, no uncertainty, 8/12 movement vs honest to god 0* movement.
>>98439815Where's my Celestial packWhere's my Wars of Reaving Protomech packWhere's my Bug Mech packAre they hellbent on throwing out stuff no one cares about I mean, rules revisions are neat, but can they do something interesting>>98440874I'm kind of amazed that Eleanor performed well, I guess even with a Wasp 2 gunnery goes places. I'm mildly amused that her avatar is like the complete opposite of her inspiration, but you're running the thing, after all
>>98439482Hunchbatlas of Notre-Dame.
>>98442087>Where's my Celestial pack>Where's my Wars of Reaving Protomech pack>Where's my Bug Mech pack>Are they hellbent on throwing out stuff no one cares about>I mean, rules revisions are neat, but can they do something interestingYou and your shit taste get nothing, crawl away to Lancer and fuck off
>>98442072Infantry don't have AMM though, so even at +4 TMM, and no gunnery investment on the infantry side, you're getting hit on 8+, the infantry will be in cover, and as you ran you will likely also need at least 8+ to hit.
>>98442093I mean, I 3d printed everything I needed already (Celestials stls out there are nice) but I will never tire to notice the stubborn CLG refusal to do anything right. At this point I'd even pardon Leviathan, it's a badly-written, badly managed useless system but it's less of a waste than 90% of what they're doing now bar rules revisions
>>98440985You still want it doing 1 point damage clusters, or the HAG's 5pt cluster mechanics? There's advantages for either in a world of Anti-Ballistic and Ferro Lammellar armour and HarJel III.
>>98442096So on a +4 TMM the Infantry hits on 8+s with a mean cluster of 17 for a total of 9 damage; that means on average they will only go internal if every cluster hit rolls the exact same location.For the same odds, an average of 9 troopers die for each hitting machine gun and reduce the infantry's damage potential by a third.This is still strongly in favor of the Locust at full tilt strafing them. At 8+s both throwing around ~40% chances to hit; but that's the only chance the infantry have; the Locust will be gone on the next shooting phase.
>>98439815PLASTIC CELESTIALS WHEN FFS?!?!?!
What box-able Solaris mechs are out there? The Great Turtle?
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What TROs contain the lore for Warships, aerospace fighters, dropships etc? Want to read some of the lore for spaceships in BT.
>>98442318TRO 2750, 3039, 3055, 3057, 3067, 3145, 3150
>>98442355Love you anon
>>98442005>>98441976Not necessessarily.ww1, ww2, korea and vietnam are all full of AAR's and BDA's of guys getting miraculously ignored by rt or mortar shells landing right next to them whilst guys 100+ m away from the blast got mulched.Or corpses that are entirely untouched, seemingly dead for no reason, until disturbed and it is found the shockwave of a blast alone turned their insides to mush. Then you have single solitary fragments somehow zinging hundreds and hundreds of metres away from a blast like a sniper's bullet and punching a neat little hole through some poor bastard's head, or slitting some other guys throat.But yes. In general, rt etc. Is far, far more deadly to troops caught in the open than bt simulates.
>>98439825Looks like a trucker caught with a dead hooker
>>98440613CGL is a dumpster fire, I don't know what you expected
>>98440874Impressive the Orion leads the Damage Done with such shit accuracy.
I hope the new AeroTech game plays like Aeronautica Imperialis or something similar, fuck I'd even take it playing like Alpha Strike. Just make it actually fucking playable for once CGL!
>90% through Decision At Thunder Rift>5% in realise you fags are munchkins that don't know shit about the setting and regurgitate memes in-between your pugsvery cool
>>98442477Is there not already aero- alphastrike? Pretty sure they all have cards already
>>98442487NTA but Aff. And they're shite.
>>98442484If only the game reflected what the books depict
>>98442484Most online fandoms are built off of Database Consumption rather than actually engaging with the source material, especially when it comes to stuff with as long a history as Battletech.The raw description of the events and the memes based off them are known. But the small nuances like what people actually said and other aspects of presentation tend to not be. Especially as the meme side of things warps away from even the accurate descriptions.
>>98438495I absolutely cannot make any of the Celestials with the retractable blade work at all. All I want to do is stab someone with the stupid cool blade thing but every variant of those mechs that have one sucks total ass. Literally none of them have jump jets and/or a decent armament at all. Even the fucking Archangel, a mech that has 100 tons to play with, has the armament of a medium mech. I have never been so disappointed in my life
>>98442539I will never get tired of WoBbits and their shitboxes realizing their trash is an evolutionary dead end.
>>98441607>a bunch of small hits totally equals that of one big one!It literally does, it does the same damage and causes damage through the same mechanism.
>>98442531Perhaps a full 50% of the community fully believes that mechwarrior is what battletech looks like in motion, the presentation well was poisoned a long time ago. Not only do they believe this but they proudly declare that this is the reason they like it. The battletech-verse spends billions of dollars on tall tanks that wobble about, not missing any of their shots because no one can dodge, and this is a good thing because it's realistic.
>>98442572Where do you tend to place it? I often end up thinking in term of something like Armored Core 1 or 2, even if the scaling for Battletech is different. But I'll acknowledge a lot of that is because Armored Core is what played a massive role in breaking the Eternal Tank Supremacy meme in favor of just enjoying things.
>>98442531What's the fag even complaining about? He's vague posting and his map picture of Trell isn't even from the right era when the book took place. Is it just contrarian anon bitching about nothing again?
>>98442630I was making fun of munchkins that shit up these threads, idk what the AI responses are about though
>>98442630Obviously he means the personal metal sensor mask that no one talks about.
>>98442617>Where do you tend to place it?Battlemechs are as mobile and capable as Mobile Suits to me and nothing will change that.
First mechwarriror games can be excused because of technology limitations.But in later titles it became a voluntary commitment because of brand consistency and nostalgia.
>>98442617NTA but early Armored Core/Early UC Gundam is where I tend to place Battletech as a whole, with Dougram being a good representation of Introtrch combat, and Macross how I visualize space combat/more advanced stuff like Jihad. It's just easiest to visualize it that way.
>>98441308>malusWe English speakers call that a penalty, just so know in the future. Other than that, post away my third world friend.
I've heard people say MW5 has some crap mission designs and I guess I've gotten lucky up until today because I never really saw it.So all three of these objective points spawn a lance of mechs right in front of your face once you get close enough. Like they literally do a falling animation and pop into existence. All three of these objectives spawn a mix of Rifleman, Urbanmechs, Partisan tanks and Igor VTOLs that have overlapping field of fire and also all immediately aggro. The objectives are so close together that you can't get near enough to one without setting off the others. Since the enemies don't actually spawn until you are within shooting distance of everything you can't draw aggro off either.Also more Partisans and Igors spawn in positions that would put them directly behind you going about the mission in the intended way. So how do you finish the mission without every 'Mech you bring losing its left arm from catching 30+ AC shells two seconds after everything spawns?Run around the outside edge of the map, destroy the objectives from outside the spawn trigger and go home without seeing a single enemy. I know some of the older MW games have missions where this is the best way to do it (looking at you, MW4: Mercs where you have to rescue Katrina Steiner and you can do the mission in 30 seconds if you know in advance where to go) but this is just awful. It's a DLC mission too so a person hand designed this piece of shit.
>>98442914Sounds like a >>/v/ problem, you should go back there
>>98442914The solution is to have the biggest numbers possible (your favourite assault mech with max armour and absolutely no jumpjets), an even spread of weapons across the frame (so that that the ai can't focus-fire all your good guns off as fast) and to hang back/walk backwards as best you can to try to make the newly spawned-in enemies conga-line towards you so you can at least cripple them one by one. It sucks.
>>98442914In this picture:>A resolution best described as a 'full color display'>A modded Atlas II with jumpjets and who knows how much armorIn this post:>A description of enemy pop-in that I haven't observed in years since a bug fix on it of enemy types defined by their critical defensive weaknesses (Rifleman have light armor and can be focused down CT, Urbanmechs can have their AC peeled off with a light volley, Partisans struggle to get shots except at long range where the ERLLs and LBX should be making short work of them (unless they're modded also to have more health, in which case it's a skill issue) and Igors have critical weakpoints on the wing jet nacelles)>A point of it being a high-value contract; missions that are notorious for being unstable when modded (or even in vanilla, such as when doing the Agincourt questline one of my lancemates would actually disappear like in the Tyler1 clips, complete with scream and echo).In summary... skill issue?
>>98442914The best MW4 path is to say "fuck this" to the civil war and become a bandit king at the end of the game.
>>98442830>uses a word properly >heh you're a thir-I was born in the United States you fucking clown, try having a IQ over 90.
>>98442914I just find the missions annoying and grindy>We need you to kill this target>Plus his allies>Two medium mechs and three light mechs>When you first start and your "lance" consists of a light mech and a medium mechIts solution to the dumb AI seems to be to just throw waves of enemies at you making the best solution to most missions being to take a light mech and avoid any fighting personally while your retarded lance mates get shot to pieces or are unable to land a single hit on a Spider.
>>98443142That depends on what missions you play anon, assassination or guerrilla warfare would have this, but there are scripted missions (which are really the ones you should be playing).
>>98443129>try having a IQ over 90>is a namefag
>>98443221Anon you do know what shit posts are right?
>>98441880>>98441952The problem of BT infantry is the setting's completely borked force escalation logic. If there's a problem, somebody will pick up the phone and immediately summon the giant extraterrestrial steel men. Metaphorically, if there's a crowd in your Odessa, you don't call for the Cossacks but a battleship for a bombardment. And this logic is supported by TW play and fiction, where productively controlling escalation doesn't seem to be on anybody's mind.Consider the litany of trucks, motorcycles, GI Joe-type vehicles, small arms-resistant IFVs and APCs that are implied to exist - those forces would normally make up 90% of the kind of Small Wars depicted in BT, yet they're all completely absent from the narrative. It's all mechs all the time. So when infantry does pop up, it's only in situations when shit has completely hit the fan and they're trying to turn away mechs from within rows of appartment blocks or trap them in some industrial zone set up to collapse. Which really isn't what anybody involved in the scrunch should be doing by any account, because that's how neat wars go bad. That's something that escalated too rapidly.The scale of TW simulation doesn't help here. TW rules only model the most intensive couple minutes of a campaign, which is when infantry probably should stay mum and hunker down or stay the fuck away from the big boy's action. For what's being approximated in TW is an active land battleship confrontation and, I'm sorry, but there's no place for frogmen infiltrators on the high seas. But frogmen tactics are the main way for infantry to even confront mechs, such as by specops infiltrating mech bays, or by having LRRP/LRDG-type formations assault dismounted lances during long marches. Thing is, and as much as the Princess loves that kinda shit, neither of those are TW actions.
>>98443356Infantry might also place mines and assist in planing field gun ambushes along mech's projected route of advance, which, once again, isn't something that will be represented within the limitation of a TW game with any frequency. Never mind fiction.But even if you escalate to strategic play, by the rules, an Atlas can still outrun most military jeeps and trucks. Infantry alone can't keep up with the operational tempo of mechs unless they use TW-grade vehicles, which neatly seagues into the next issue - cost. Infantry is in no way cheaper to run than mechs and the Terran Hegemony made sure that there's a mech for every job, which is why the Hussar (direct-fire support for infantry) and the Blackjack (anti-trukk stronk operations) exist and, from a gameplay perspective, both are cheaper and better than the non-mech alternatives.So, if you're a local lord with a Taliban Biker Gang problem, you'll be saving money by requesting Com* to perform the old ritual and summon the ancient Blackjack from outer space. With their low cost, their universal availability through mercenary services and the high prestige of deploying them, you'll objectively only stand to lose if you don't make use of mechs. The damage a BJ barreling down country roads and byways, blazing away at motorcyclists will do to local infrastructure is of no consequence.The calculus only probably flips in favour of infantry and field guns only when defending very high-value targets, the loss of which would cost more than whatever you're investing into those ground pounders. It's where their mobility don't matter and they can bring their brutal weight of fire fully into play. But FASAnomics don't reflect that and the RATs and fiction don't support the logic either, meaning depicting the locals standing their ground in defense of their livelyhood and communites in a TW game will only make you the no-fun asshole power gaming GM.
>>98443364Fiction avoids the issue by claiming that bad war situations never happen, everybody just surrenders once the mechs show up, but how does that even make sense during the long periods when smash-and-grab raids were the main type of warfare? There's nobody to surrender to when they're just here to break your industry open and torch anything they can't immediately carry off. In a bad war, making war cost-prohibitive is the only way to survive.Theoretically, there should also be additional political costs associated with mechs mass murdering infantry. No joke, most succ states have native assassin orgs taking interstellar contracts, some even have professional public schools training those up. For both mercs and occupational forces, grieving relatives' ability to collect cash should be something to keep in mind before wading mechs into the local militia, really. Countering infantry with infantry, mass with mass, would be less personally injurious here. But fiction is silent about the issue.Mercs, raiding forces and pirates without infantry might just break off and leave at that point while conquering forces would probably de-escalate open conflict with the native militia into negotiations. War is politics by other means, after all, and under a feudal system, such as in BT, neither side has to actually fight to fulfill its primary objectives.MWDA then was, in a way, an awkward attempt at getting proper narrative force escalation back into TW-level play.
>>98443356Battletroops was supposed to be the bridge between but unfortunately wasn't popular enough because everyone WANTS to play stompy robots.
No love for little plastic men.
>>98443405Lots of cash in it, just not for this particular IPHard for Battletroops to stand out
>>98443374>>98443418>>98443405Battletroops' main problem was that it was too serious. It's fine to maintain that being a ground pounder is a shit job in BT, but they shot themselves in the leg when they had motorized and mechanized infantry always fight dismounted.It's a game with dragon riders, but you can't even biker Taliban your way through a city.
>>98442192AquagladiusBombardPorcupineAbout a dozen or so dedicated arena chassis and probably about the same number of arena customs that can be visually unique enough to warrant new sculptsTemax Cat Ninjabolt as a monkeys paw option since it's so very specific that most people wouldn't ever use it even for arena matches.
I thnk I'm misunderstanding somethingHow can a unit with an IS XL engine have 13 double heat sinks but only 12 engine critical slots?
>>98443545You're definitely misunderstanding something. Engine crit slots are not related to engine heat sink capacity. Higher rated engines can have more sinks in them up to a max of 10. The sinks inside the engine do not occupy any critical slots and it doesn't matter what kind of sink they are. If an engine can hold six sinks, it can hold six SHS or six DHS.
>>98442617Dougram
>>98443418>Hard for Battletroops to stand outMaybe BA like what was added in Clan Troops and Protomechs? I know Jihad would make for good BattleTroops scenarios also.
>>98439033What is this armed with? Is that a MML-7, SRM-6 and a Flamer?
>>98443589>up to a max of 10Then what's up with the Lancelot? It has 13 and none are outside. It's a Hermes 360XL apparentlyhttps://www.sarna.net/wiki/Lancelot
>>98443704Every 25 Engine Rating you get a sink within the engine for free. This goes up to 250, where you get 10 Heat Sinks without paying for weight or crits. If a 250 wants an 11th, it has to spend the crits and weight, but if a 275 wants one, it only spends the weight and mounts it in the engine.
>>98443721The first ten sinks are always free weight wise. Crit wise it differs. Similarly, large enough engines have more than ten sinks slots so if you can pay the tonnage for that eleventh sink, but dont in that case need to pay the crit slots.
>>98442539That's the thing, they don't. The vast majority of the Celestials config are mediocre at best, with some exceptions (The Dominus variants of the Archangel and the Preta are good enough). You're not running Clan Fiat, you're running haphazard schizotech, and retractable blades were bad from the beginning. It is how it is. >>98442555Shuddup, tubescum.
>>98442539Are you using the sniktbub rules? That's what makes retractable blades fun.
>>98443721>>98443732Thanks!
>>98440874Going off just this I think team Liao lost half the lance about half way through but I was expecting all of us to be paste. Gj everyone, hopefully we get sent some upgrades.
So in my noob group every game we've had 1 "commander" per side, which is really just a veteran 3/4 pilot while everyone else is 4/5. It's just been for fluff and story telling reasons.In the advanced rule set, what are the gameplay implications of having a lance commander? I remember something about Command Mechs having computers that gave you initiative bonuses but I'm not sure on the specifics
>>98444182Also do you get any gameplay effects if you have a lance commander who is not piloting a command mech?
>>98444195Or even a penalty to morale if your commander dies?
>>98444182>>98444195>>98444216You are really asking about four or maybe five different separate things scattered around Tactical Operations and Campaign Operations books.A commander may have better skills than an average pilot other than Piloting and Gunnery which can have an affect on a wide variety of campaign and scenario effects. Additionally, certain force organization and scenario rules rely on having a designated commander.A command computer is a type of equipment that can do things, but that's separate from the mech quirk of "Command Mech", which can also do things.The commander dying or being defeated is entirely in the provisions of the morale rules that are in a separate section of the books.As for the simplest thing: First look into the rules for the Command Mech quirk in Campaign Operations. When a Command Mech quirked mech is active with a conscious pilot in a formation, they get a +1 to Initiative Rolls (non cumulative, multiple Command Mechs do not give more than a +1).
>>98444337>A command computer is a type of equipment that can do things, but that's separate from the mech quirk of "Command Mech"This seems kinda silly but okayThank you anon I'll go look these up in the PDFs
>>98444400>This seems kinda silly but okayCommand computers have weight and crit requirements. The quirk Command Mech does not.Com Gear, such as command computers, get more effects the more tonnage you invest into them, but you can't upgrade the quirk.
>>98443129>uses word properlyIf we’re talking about crab apples, sure. If we’re talking about penalties, then no. Only thirdies a talk like that. You’ll never see that word in American or UK English as practiced by native speakers because…unless we’re talking about apples, which we weren’t.> I was born in the United States Doubtful, my thirdie friend. An American would have chuckled at my joke. He also would’ve said penalty, because that’s the word English speakers use.
>>98443787>schizotechThat's what it feels like for alot of these mechs. They feel like they are armed like a mech 2 weight classes under them, and have largely unacceptable movement profiles for most of them. It's so hard to find configurations with jump jets just so I can get these things to not instantly die. It's ironic to me that so few celestial variants pack jump jets for mechs named after angels and such, like, no variants of the Malak have jump jets and therefore it's just wholesale a useless mech. I remember somebody hyping up the celestials to me as if they were some kind of crazy wobby tech that could match clan omnimechs and boy was the retard wrong
>>98444440NTA but you are being retarded. Malus as a negative in gameplay has been used forever in the US including in game publications. Latin stuff like that is why you have memes of people in the deep south being named Cletus. I honestly can't tell if you're trolling, a kid instead of a graybeard or a filthy yankee.>>98444589We always called it new toy syndrome. You see it in tons of premiere variants over the years.
>>98444589>Called Celestial>Can't flyWoB deserved to lose
>>98444630To be fair it's an omnimech series, so they could just equip IJJs+PW if they wanted to. Kinda surprised WoB didn't go into extra stuff like an improved 'Mech jump pack and better freehand weapons, since they seemed to experiment in everything.
well it took all afternoon and my fingers are covered in superglue, but I finally did my first kitbash- I took the Gothic Atlas and added on a bunch of bits I had from some Chaos Marauders and Chariots back when I was gonna try getting into AoS. The result is this chuuni af monstrosity, with huge final boss vibes. I think a lot of the rougher parts will get covered up when I prime it.
>>98444708Those would really be comically large skull decorations, but honestly when we're doling up a Gothic design anyways I don't think it matters.I like the chain cape.
>>98444721>Those would really be comically large skull decorationsI want to know the planet where he got those 20-foot-tall Sasquatch heads. 20 C-bills says Old Kentucky.
>>98444650I don't think partial wings existed at the time of the wobbies right? Even then, it does make me wonder why we don't have yet another spiritual successor to the celestial series that uses a partial wing system. Probably is to heavy and takes up to much space tho. Celestials already struggle to have decent armament due to the limitations of their gimmick. I think the only one that I've found to be adequately armed, have adequate speed, and adequate armor has been the Deva Achilleus which isn't even an official variant but a custom personal variant lmao
>>98444721the cape was a massive bitch and a half to put together, those little chain bits did not want to stay still at all >>98444736they're probably sculpted on, but do you think some periphery bumpkin is going to know that?
>>98444589Again, they weren't smartly designed. Of all the Celestials, I'd argue that... less than ten variants are "adequate". Some are complete boondoggles (as >>98444616 put it, "new toy syndrome") and the majority are slow. And then you would need to pay for the elite pilots. And the C3i. You're flat out not running anything competitive with that. The retard that hyped them to you probably read some fanfiction in the official forums or something.On the other hand, you don't run Mechs because they're optimal. You run them because they're cool, and the Celestials are amongst the coolest.
>>98444844>You run them because they're cool, and the Celestials are amongst the coolest.Aye that be true. After having played the game for awhile, especially at higher tech levels, I find that the Crab just isn't that great of a mech, but man that's not gonna stop me from bringing the very fragile 27sl jump crab into battles against ilclan era mechs because I just like the crab that much. The celestials are a case of this as well, where even though I think that there are maybe like 3 variants across their entire family of mechs that are even vaguely useable, not even good, I still wanna run them from time to time. I guess not every mech can be the Lament, where they are both cool and highly optimized. You are right though, I think the stock variant of the archangel is the biggest boondoggle I've ever seen in the game and I mean it. Strip the heavy PPC off that thing and give it an array of ER medium lasers and it would at least be a much a still under armed assault mech but have more of a focus on close quarters combat with melee in mind if you can get it to close in. Instead it's armed like a medium mech and is slower than shit and has a useless melee weapon it'll NEVER use
>>98443721This is why clan xlfe 400's are fucking bullshit. All that engine DHS space to free up critslots for the endo and ferro.
>>98443732Small enough engines require you to mount the NOT free sinks outside the engine, such as basic hatchetman, with its 180, it has to mount 3? Sinks outside of the engine to have the required 10.
>>98444182I love alpha strike for this reason. Lances get formations and their quirks/spa's are 'free' for that reason, since EVERYONE gets them. If you have a company of a battle lance, recon lance and fire support lance, they're got their formation abilities. And the other guy with his ranger lance, striker lance and juggernaut (sp? Might be misremembering what that lance is called) lance has abilities for his formations.This way you're not being munchkin-y having ONE guy who is the 'cool leader' Mary sue of a lance. Everyone can still be skill 4.And alpha strike even has formation rules for those skills. Like, if you have a company, you can use formations so the leader of the whole force is a 3. Same for your opponents guys. All fair and balanced.
Blackthorns zombies incoming
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>>98442484DaTR is horribly bad genre fiction though. And it is one of the 'better' BT novels...God, I wish BT had good books.
>>98444985Based and true. That anon earlier that wanted to field a lance of Grand Dragons would, in Alpha Strike, be rewarded for doing so because it's a Kurita-specific formation.
>>98444990>>98444999>>98445004BT is schlock, Zahn is too good for this universe. He must be bored since Disney trashed his Star Wars OC via character assassination. I will not be surprised if he phones in whatever he is forced to write about, though I will cackle to the heavens if he turns Brett Andrews into a mad genius tragic figure you actually wind up rooting for.
>>98445066Order lance. Aka the 'DRAGON: HONOURED' lance.Although, I would freely allow any player in an AS match to use order lances if they were playing SLDF, since they're the cunts who came.uo with the idea and the kuritans just kept the tradition alive.
>>98445138The 'new' star wars zahn books are excessively shit, because he's is clearly pissed at how they massacred all the shit he came up with, stole, and tried to not give him royalties for. But being the greedy, stupid fucks they are, they stole so obviously that even the rats jew lawyers admitted the rat was fucked, so zahn was bought off with expensive writing deals to get him to not sue shitney to death. Whereupon zahn has turned around and shit out filthy turds on purpose. By way of a 'fuck you, asshole' to the cunts.
>>98442539They're omnis, use a custom fit 5head
>>98442914Holy shit those graphics are awful
>>98445187Loved Zahn's Star Wars books. Who doesn't love Thrawn & Mara Jade? Just the movie rat. They treated Zahn's character better than most, but they still stole it from him. Glad Zahn got a paycheck from the rat and hey, you can't make a piece of art if all you have to work with is shit. An intricate statue made out of shit is still shit.If Zahn brings his A-game to Battletech though, then I'm sure we're in for something special.
>>98445342>Who doesn't love Thrawn & Mara Jade?luv me Thrawn'ate Mara Jadesimple as
>>98445174Yeah, I think most SLDF lances were 4 of a kind, except maybe Command Lances and a few independent special ops teams.
>>98440941I'll be honest, I can't see a yellow A anywhere. We're all old people with bad eyes in here.
>>98445438>'ate Mara JadeShit taste.
>>98445342What the heck is that Wolverine paint job supposed to be? Also, don't Steiner mechs usually have the white on the right hand side?
>>98445573Not that anon, but factions don't really have colors, regiments do. And there are a lot of them.
>>98445550ENHANCE
>>98445567A trash character forsworn by her own creator, grow up.
>>98445342thanks doc
>>98445342>blackthornes written by zhan I would cum fucking buckets.
>>98445621>foresworn Nah.
>>98445573I typically use green to represent Liao. So that Wolverine has a Liao leg to show that it was salvage claimed from them.I want my blue half to be on the right. That's it.>>98445593This is precisely why I've started mixing faction colors on my most recent mechs. That way I can have mechs in the color of every faction I want without having to buy a mini for each faction. Doing a devoted mini for a faction adds up with time and money. This way works. Especially considering this is my 5th Wolverine. Going beyond 4 already feels like I'm getting something I don't really need.
>>98445724>this is my 5th WolverineI think you have enough mechs that you don't need to make them generic anymore.
>>98445342Thin your fucking paints
>>98445724>my 5th WolverineMEGA BASED
>>98445949Based on what?
Pfft. Griffin army > wolverine army.
>>98446117Based on being based
You know, I've been wonderingHow the hell does a mech with minimal arms climb up two levels? Like, I can picture a mech with hands climbing up a 12m rock wall. I can't picture that with a Blackjack or a Locust
>>98446197level changes aren't necessarily stepped, it could also be an abstraction of a steep hill
>>98446197Don't think, just consuum
>>98446159Fuck off nulnfag
>>98445519>I think most SLDF lances were 4 of a kind, except maybe Command Lances and a few independent special ops teamsso when did they notice this was a bad idea
>>98446287>this was a bad ideaIn the brigade or division sized actions of the SLDF, it wasn't. The tabletop game as currently played doesn't reflect the game setting in the SLDF era. Cope.
>>98446197Rocket feet
DFA question:So the way I'm understanding this is that no matter if the attack fails or succeeds, the attacker lands on the target hex. If they succeeded, the target was either destroyed or pushed back a hex. If they failed, the target chooses a hex where to dodge.If this is true...then what is stopping the attacker from abusing this to guarantee they are going to occupy an objective hex by the end of the turn?
>>98446407Nothing except that you can't choose to miss a DFA attack willingly that I'm aware of
>>98446479That sucks. Then games where you win by holding the majority of zones can be decided by who declares DFA first
A design so sexy it was crafted in real life
>>98446490Cut the enemy's legs off, no DFA. simple as
I've been away for a while but heard that CGL is revamping the entire rulebook. How fucked is it?
>>98446197Grappling hooks.
>>98446539It's a shameless cash grab, but it's not going to be that fucked unless you're a stodgy grog that can't adapt
>>98446582As long as they aren't trying to force Alpha Strike down our collective throats I think I can manage it.
>>98446507I don't understand why it can't work like charge. That feels more fair because if the attacker misses they don't get the hex they wanted.
>>98446642>>98446490>>98446407I guess I can house rule it thus: "Fallen mechs can't capture an objective"
>>98446407There is a fringe case where if the target cannot be displaced it would be destroyed but if the DFA misses the attacker is destroyed instead...that is pretty much the extend of the protection target gets from a missed DFA.
>>98446197Battletech's like a simulator right up until it isn't, which is why almost all mechs are exactly the same but wearing different costumes.They could've leaned towards this early on by focusing on things like leg types but instead they decided quad legs should be mostly pointless and no one uses them and they'd still be about the most thought out and popular alternate body type.
>>98447035To be fair, the actual climbing rules for level 3 and up do require hand actuators. So minimal arms mechs with no jumpjest are then extra miserable.
Zorch!
>>98446159I see Contrarian anon is back again
Finished up my first, Capellan, Lance and I'm very happy with them, just the Awesome left to complete my other lance.
What's up with white metal prices27 dollars for a Gürteltier seems insane
>>98447459You know how the price of anything vaguely electronic is spiking because AIbros are retarded and buying into the hype and other similar events? It's spilling over to miniatures according to >>98429340 for pretty believable reasons.
I find it incredibly funny that while 40k is infamous for being over the top in scale, the official numbers for the "unable to fly" Terminator armor is only like 400 kilograms empty/800 with an Astartes in it and it requires stuff like suspensors to maintain a somewhat decent speed.Meanwhile, the standard for Battletech's "Medium" class of Battle Armor is a suit that weighs 1000 and that stuff can just be jumping around like a rabbit.
>>98445174WTF is an "Order Lance"
>>98440874Damn. If Marik gets an upgrade to a -3V like was mentioned in >>98440717, he is going to be incredibly dangerous. Dude's already close to the top of the Damage-to-Tonnage ratio, and a second Medium's gonna double his potential there.
>>98446197Terrain levels aren't generally supposed to represent sheer cliff-faces (there's rules for those in TacOps). Remember that a hex is 30 m wide and one level is 6 m, so even a 2-level increase (which is the steepest mechs can move up to without jump jets or the actual climbing rules in TacOps, which do require hands) is more of a fairly steep hill instead of a vertical cliff.Now, that does kind of break apart when you deal with building since they use the same level-change mechanics originally designed with natural terrain in mind, unless we assume the architects in the Inner Sphere just really like ziggurats.
>>98447633Check out the force manuals in particular Kurita.
>>98447633A Kurita special formation of the same models and sizes. Designate one Unit as Command Unit, it gets the Tactical Genius, Antagonizer, or Sniper SPA. All Units in the formation receive the Iron Will or Speed Demon SPA; this SPA applies to all Units in the formation.
>>98447556The tech stagnation of 40K is orders of magnitude greater than BT's; the AdMech stifle innovation to an extent that would horrify ComStar at its most zealous moment and are enslaved to 10,000+ year-old tech that they do not waver from. So even if they figured out a way to forge Terminator armor that weighed 10 kg empty with the same protection level and was flight-capable to boot, it would never be implemented because it would violate the STC of Terminator armor, hallowed by the Omnissiah's mathematical perfection for ten centuries.
>>98447389Looks great anon!
>>98446174That's a weird looking Gundam. Why are all the Gundams in this post so weird?
>>98447859Oh certainly, and even if the raw weight on their end is lighter, the protection is probably greater than Battle Armor.But at times when I've been dealing with powerscalers trying to maximize 40k glaze, shit like that is utterly hilarious.
>>98447130i'm not cuntrarian, loser. i like battletech. cunt hates it.
>>98445822>generic anymore.I wasn't exactly painting them generic before. It's only now that I've started trying to cover the factions I hadn't before.
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>>98446407Your objective hex shouldn't be a single hex. It should be a center hex and the 6 hexes surrounding it.
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>>98447635The only way Marik won't get the -3V upgrade is if he wins the right to pilot the Charger and his anon(presumably you?) accepts the honor.
>>98446197Probably a rule for that.
>>98445187That really only truly harms the fans of his previous work that hope for some good food after years without. The Mouse just writes it off.
>>98440450As long as the checks clear.
>>98448177You could not shame famiry and try to find a Gundam at Home that has a chest missile launcher.
>>98448200>(presumably you?)Yeah, I'm the anon who rolled up Marik. And I'm pretty sure he'd take it. The trade-off of half a ton of armor and half a ton of machine gun ammo that isn't really going to be used anyway for a second Medium Laser is a somewhat risky but otherwise fine trade.
Something I've wondered with how armor in the franchise uses diamond-woven fiber: do conventional ground vehicles also have armor woven with diamond fiber or is that only for armor on mechs?
>>98448693Everything with BAR 10 uses the same armor. Mech's extra resistance to crits is from myomer where even a half-melted actuator operating on a fraction of the strands can still work.
>>98448226His fans understand and weren't buying and disney Star Wars books anyway.
>>98448405I was more talking about if you won the right to the Charger and refused it. I can't see why you would, but some people want the mechs they want. Not like it matters, my boy Triple Hob, has already rigged the game in his favor with his 4 piloting skill. He's a sore loser about this game and every other one.
>>98448711And I take it a real-life RPG-7 round won't be able to hit a conventional ground vehicle or a mech lest its a Hetzer or an UrbanMech?
>>98448865It could hit it just fine, it just be about as effective as a single LRM because of its lower tech level. Volley fire a dozen at a Mech and you'll scare it off.
>>98448177Is that supposed to be a Chibi Yori Kurita?This just gave me the silly idea of the Combine selling Fumos and Nendoroids of the coordinator as a morale-boosting measure for the people.
>>98448925The FWL makes sex dolls of other house lords.
>>98448865Those sort of weapons would fall under SRM infantry
>>98448896And I take it even diamond fiber is also woven onto armor used in small craft, DropShips, and WarShips?
>>98449001>>98448997>Those sort of weapons would fall under SRM infantryBut wouldn't man-portable non-Inferno SRMs be able to punch a hole through ground vehicles and/or mechs with diamond-woven armor?
>>98442019>he thinks armor works irl like it does in heckin Call of Duty lol
>>98449008Yes anon. Passthrough crits are a thing and infantry SRMs get roll a ton of locations. Vehicles can get fucked by motive crits especially on the side and you can hit the ammo or the gyro on mech to give it a bad day.
>>98448948Based desuFedSuns should do that too in the 3150s since nearly all of their competitors are led by women currently.Just commission lewds of all the other leaders.Probably wouldn’t be very productive against Alaric though.
>>98449008If by punch a hole, you mean do somewhere between .54 and .63 damage per hit, then yes.The reason why the infantry round up rule is dumb is that a single man with any weapon at all rounds up to 1 damage if he was built as a unit by himself, but the last survivor of a platoon does some irrelevant fraction of a single damage that is discarded. That's a dumb dichotomy.
>>98448807Ah! Yeah, he'd go for the Charger if he won the right to it. But with his pilot skill, unless there's some insane luck for it, he's not going to be able to get that chance.
>>98444616> has been used forever in the USCite one. I’ll wait.> a kid instead of a graybeardI’m 50. I don’t recall ever encountering that word before two or three years ago outside of Reddit. Not one book, not one movie, not one game, not one trade publication, nothing. I had to look up how it’s pronounced because in 50 years of speaking American English I’ve never heard it spoken out loud, and I’ll bet you haven’t either.It’s a word that thirdies and retards use in online conversations because they think it makes them appear intelligent, but the intelligent English speaker simply say penalty, because that word already existed to explain a rules related disadvantage.
>>98446287It wasn't hence why the entire inner sphere had entire companies of the same mech and modern armored forces are composed of 2-5 tanks of the same type. You don't see America fielding mixed platoons of an Abrams, a Bradley, an M18 Booker, and a Stryker MGS, closest you get is armored cavalry and even then platoons are specialized, just flexible in deployment. The First Succession War book even says great house lances should be one type of mech in the early phase, 2 types later, and finally generated with all random mechs, while the former SLDF should be all random as after the Hegemony Campaign they'd suffered such losses that consistent equipment became infeasible.Only reason IS still has mixed lances is because of the game and nobody actually spreads out production and makes the same mech across 30 different worlds to protect their production lines from being ruined by one nuke.
>>98449099>in America we take pride on not using the full vocabulary available to us in the English language.Bro you are embarrassing us
>>98449099I've seen it used in the character creation screen for EYE: Divine Cybermancy.Which is French.
>>98449099Nigga, if you don't know bonus and malus as a basic pair of words like plus and minus, your education has failed you, full stop. Guess what? People also say "take a negative" instead of penalty, plenty often. Like fucking synonyms don't exist.
>>98449099>this level of retardation HOLY FUCK STOP.
>>98449104The setting is quite literally post apocalyptic. The wars are so constant you basically need every remotely functional mech in service and do your best to group them by roll.
>>98449243>postIt's like post-post-post-post-post-post apocalyptic at this point.
>>98445017It is yeah. Well it's alright, if hokey when it's out-of-mech. Any scene with a mech is like a children's toy ad.
>>98449256Sure, even the mightiest forces fielded in the time covered by the game pale in comparison to even the great house forces under the boot of the Star League.
>>98449243Even then a part of it is due to lack of infrastructure for building new mechs combined with the fact that mechs are often privately owned. If you come from Kuritan nobility and have a family Black Knight since your great great great great great grandfather served in the SLDF you aren't going to pilot a Grand Dragon for the DCMS even if they compensate you since the Black Knight is better and is depending on the era literally priceless. Likewise finding all the Black Knight pilots in a regiment and putting them in a lance together does little for logistical ease since they're drawing from the same regimental resource pool amd would entail shit like throwing a major and two captains into the same lance because they happen to own the same mech.Either way, point is that mixed lances aren't superior, they're fielded because the vast majority of time they have no choice. You could probably field entile lances of Locusts, and something like the Davion Assault Guards could probably field lances of Templar IIIs because it's their signature mech and they're the best of the best with first dibs but an established merc outfit might not have 4 highlanders total let alone a means to reasonably field them as a single lance.
>>98448948What's the symbolism of sending 150 pounds of just left handed white gloves.
>>98449395Useless and also a literal slap in the face.
>>98449036How are you liking the show anon? I'm in a weird spot with it. I like it for what it is and considering the state of modern day anime, it's definitely of a higher quality. Compared to the original however, it's just a pale imitation.No, I don't care if the newer one is more faithfully accurate to the manga.
>>98449406Ah, makes sense. You know what's really fucked up though? The 96 tons of food that expired over a decade ago. I imagine that there was some system in the FWL that could have genuinely needed that food in the previous 20 years, before it had expired. So congrats on taking the piss out of Liao, but I better not hear about any of your people starving purple bird.
>>98449066When the time comes for rolling pilot skills again, the rolls will all just be fresh pilot rolls. So you'd need to roll at least a 4 in piloting to tie and a 3 stands a good chance of winning. The next roll will also be without a -1 modifier this time around too.
>>98449429It's Capellan military rations from who knows when (either the 2nd succession war or Anton's Rebellion) which probably means it was bricks of reconstituted cockroach paste (artificial onions flavor) and buckwheat hard tack. Utterly unsuited for human consumption and likely unchanged in edibility despite the expiration date.
>>98449528>Utterly unsuited for human consumptionThe servitors will love it!
>>98449390I am surprised the fact that you can fit a lance of Locusts in 2 mechbays isn't reflected in force organization. They are cheap and common. Not a lot of other light mechs are better than 2 Locusts.
>>98449650If the Sarath fluff is anything to go by, it's not ideal. Possible, yes, but unsafe and much harder to maintain. You'd be better off mothballing like twenty of them in general cargo and then unmothballing them after establishing a beachhead.
>>98449650>>98449737You are stuffing more robots into places meant to hold supplies for a fixed number of robots or remain unoccupied to handle and maintain said robots. The additional robots are probably are strapped down in less than safe ways and everybody has to squeeze around and climb over them, which is another workplace hazard.
>>98440941That's just the battletech logo
>>98449884I assume the way they get Locusts to fit is one squats down to the floor, you box it up and then stack the second one on top.
>>98449884>Battletech>Caring about workplace hazards
>>98450133There's a Crusher Joe illustration of them maintaining one of those robots by making it hang upside down from horizontal bars.
>>98450137Not everybody's Kurita, neither issuing body armour or laser safety glasses to its soldiers.
>>98449341For all the might the SLDF could muster, and it's greatest general leaves Terra and the Star League to die. Fuck Kerensky, that fucking coward.
What if Amaris won?
>>98450294He did win. He killed the Camerons.
>>98448948>prozac>(hand to chancellor directly)Jesus fucking Christ this is probably the greatest roast in Battletech history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCxx_OVOVUw&t=16s>Y'know, we're gonna send you someplace that you're not gonna like.>And he's like: "I'm not afraid of Brazen Heart!">I said: "Brazen Heart? I never said I was gonna send you to Brazen Heart.">"..I'm gonna send you to Crucible Station."
I love the Shadowhawk IIC :D
>>98450263Then the descendants of the SLDF come back as inhuman monsters and make everything worse.
>>98450294>>98450310>be house kurita>fatman does fatman coup>be minoru >dad has heart attack on hearing that his grand nephew was captured >makes minoru swear to negotiate with fatman >ok>dosen't ask for proof of life or anything >oops fatman killed them when he lostReal life nations have gone to war for much fucking less, never mind a attack on the Family of a Great House.
>>98448896>>98448865An RPG-7 won't even damage most modern armored vehicles. It would do nothing against BAR 10 armor.
>>98450658You are actually retarded for thinking this.
>>98450658They'll be easily defeated by modern defenses, but they could still do damage on a clean hit. Generously rounding up to an LRM also shuts down the debate that NOOOOOO AN RPG COULD TEAR A MECHWARRIOR IN HALF.
>>98448865Not really. Infantry SRMs and LRMs (I prefer LRMs for the ISML range) are pretty nasty
>>98450658>a RPG-7 wontYes the fuck it will, especially with the tandem charge warheads and improved HEAT warheads.
There is a whole as war going on right now where the defining weapon is an RPG or old Soviet artillery shell zip tied to a civilian racing drone.
RIP
>>98450228You don't happen to have it on hand?
>>98450263Realistically, if Kerensky had decided to stay put and play defense, the lion’s share of the SLDF would’ve probably disintegrated before his very eyes as its non-Terran components defected either to their native lands or simply to the highest bidder.The exodus did not demand anyone turn their weapons against their homeland, only that they leave it. That aspect of it is what made it so palatable to the vast majority of the SLDF. Without that, the Exile Civil War simply becomes an inner sphere SLDF civil war much earlier.Kerensky would basically be defending the hollowed-out shell of the Hegemony with a fraction of the SLDF at best, most likely getting dogpiled by every single Great House.I don’t think there’s any timeline where the Star League is preserved, or even the Terran Hegemony. In fact I think Blake’s gambit was one of the few scenarios in which Terra itself was able to weather the 1st SW practically unscathed. In any other scenario where it remains the capital of an interstellar power it probably would have gotten nuked.
>>98450900It definitely wouldn't have come out unscathed, but even after the exodus there was still a lot of power in the Hegemony remnants. Blake did his thing to keep Terra itself safe, but planets like Inglesmond were actually holding out strong for a while. They just got blindsided by savagery they weren't ready for and their warship shipyard got got by a suicide attack they didn't think anyone was dumb enough to do. If more of the SLDF had been there they might have had the leadership initiative to keep their edge in space.
>>98450943Which is something we should always keep in mind, Blake also abandoned all the Hegemony worlds beyond Terra. A lot of them were trying continuance of government with a huge SLDF army sitting one or two jumps away doing nothing for their defense.
Why did Andy K pull assisted suicide?
>>98449413>originalNTA but the "original" is a pale imitation of the thing it's adapting. It's also pseud trash. I unironically like this version better for being more honest and not just being the writer yelling midwit shit at me so I can relate myself to how smart I amAnyways, what mech would the major use?
>>98451006>what mech would the major use?Tarantula.
>>98449960yes. the question is if anyone recognized what was below the logo on the page
>>98450849so what's the new site?
>>98451006You make several logical and cogent arguments, but the nostalgia of watching SAC at night on Toonami as a child renders me incapable of agreeing with you.
>>98450955His plan was to try and take a few more worlds but the Houses moved faster than expected, keep in mind Comstar only took Terra in 2788 by which point the First Succession War had already been in full swing for an entire year. Additionally while Comstar did have a sizeable army the problem is it had virtually no navy compared to the Great Houses at the time and without a navy to contest the skies any land force was going to get nuked to oblivion which incidentally is what more or less happened to Inglesmond. They could hold Terra but they were in no position to project force outside of that system at the time, not helped by the fact that also what was left of the Terran Hegemony was mostly interested in setting up their own little kingdoms rather than trying to coordinate together.
>>98449179Not an argument.>>98449211Not an argument.>>98449203Thank you for citing a source. Since we were discussing American English, how about an American one? I was told we've been using this word forever. There must be a bunch of them.>>98449231Not an argument.I said that I would wait for a citation so I will, but in the mean time, once your seethe settles a bit, ask yourself where you got malus from and why you've been using it. Like the Silicon Valley accent, it only sounds intelligent to midwits. The rest of smirk knowingly and talk shit about how dumb you are after you've left the meeting.
>>98451069I honestly completely understand anon. Have a good day
>>98451006> It's also pseud trash.Too confusing for you eh? Well at least you have the Major's funny over the top anime faces to make you giggle now so your brain doesn't have to try and put in any work.
>>98451069You know an NTA is typical courtesy when jumping in like that.
Does anyone know of a good proxy for this? I do not proont for the record.
>>98450976Blame Jennifer Winston
>>98450900Those are "if's", and rely on Kerensky being a moron, if he simply asked the house nation units to act as defensive units or if he used them against their rivals he could have kept the Hegemony at the very least alive. Comstar ruled a chunk of the Inner Sphere off of bullshit and being politically neutral, a Terra that had a Blake/Kerensky/DeChavililer political block would have cockblocked any Great House fuckery. Kerensky was outrageously popular in the Great Houses, if he declared Blake as the Steward of Terra (similar to the Republic of the Sphere) while he becomes Protector of the Relm (borrowing the Taurians government model) with Aaron DeChavililer as General of the Armies. This hybrid political system with the Steward being a appointed position solely by Steward to Steward, while the Protector is a hereditary position subservient to the Steward. Instead of ComStar, you get a civic service role where surrender of your nation to serve Mankind as a whole combined with the hereditary warrior house of Kerensky and the enlistment of "House" units under General of the Armies is a neat 3 body polity that can last.
>>98451133>completely ignores any evidence You are a fucking moron. You can't recognize any human speech so I'll try to communicate on your level. >bad thing bad>bad thing mean bad>bad thing speak bad in other speak>bad thing other speak is same bad>but in other speak Now do you know you simple fuck.
>>98451006NTA but I just see the old 1995 movie and the new series as two different things, but I appreciate that they gave us a faithful adaptation of the original manga.Though I can't help feeling second hand embarrassment over the people getting angry the series isn't faithful to the 'original' movie. Like, way to out yourself as a larper, am I right?
>>98451245I literally described in the same post how the writers screams his"philosophical" point at you in the movie. I can't imagine how'd it be confusing at all
>>98451409The actual "GiTS" fans are delighted to get ANY new material, nevermind something as good as this.
>>98451446>The actual "GiTS" fansAre waiting for more metal Tachikoma toys.
>>98451509>not more lewd Motoko models Bruh. She's responsible for SO MANY awakenings.
>>98450900And leave all your family behind. While Kerensky was never going to be first lord of the Star League he would have all of the Royal (Hegemony) regiments with him and would certainly have enough power to consolidate something, especially with proper negotiating. The idea of just leaving the Inner Sphere shouldn't be reasonable for the vast majority of SLDF personnel, especially those who apparently owe enough loyalty to specific houses to side with them over Kerensy.
>>98451587The Clans are a cop out, the writers of Battletech needed a "outside threat" however would not commit to non human life as smoothbrains believe non human intelligence will be guided by simple "anti current thing" modes of thought. The most terrifying enemy imaginable is one that thinks exactly as you do, requires the same resources and space you do, fights the same way as you, but is biologically incompatible with you.
>>98451680I like us being the Onceler First Ones of the Universe. I want there to be some aliens that look to the sky in 50,000 years and go "why?" when the answer was always "we came to your world to strip-mine cobalt".
>>98451063Mekbay
>>98451446Actual Ghost in the Shell fans are happy because it's not Arise, the live action, or 2045.
>>98449413>Compared to the original however, it's just a pale imitation.>No, I don't care if the newer one is more faithfully accurate to the manga.Anon...the manga IS the original
I wish more stuff happened with The Society. I know they were mostly like a Clam Word of Blake intended to be defeated, but I feel like there's so little about them when they should have had more science bullshit and lunacy than even the Word of Blake as they stop giving a shit about warrior caste ideals and honor. Instead they just kinda pop up, are le evil scientists and get wiped out as a footnote.Hell if they're a secret society of mad scientists that have existed for generations they should have had genetic targeted bioweapons ready. Ghost Bears have next to no society presence in their clan? Remove a threat by unleashing a bioweapon targeted to genetic markers in every Ghost Bear bloodhouse and watch as 90% of trueborn Ghost Bears die vomiting blood. Every clan mech designed since 2900? They got a backdoor, you better get used to using old IIC and Star League mechs against them. A dozen clans' science castes cooperating on military breakthroughs? New laser and gauss weapons, superheavy clan mechs, swarms of protomechs, bring back LAMs.
Heading to my flgs in a few hours. I've got the previous beginner box with 2 mechs in it. What book or box should I buy to add on? I want some basic lore and game play/rules/scenarios
I for one like GitS 1995 and 2026
>>98451894The A Game Of Armored Combat Box is now getting deprecated but it's great value and the mechs inside are evergreen with new variants for the current ilClan era, the Alpha Strike Box is of course a different game entirely but the mech selection is very good and balanced against each other, also very good value.
>>98451894If you just want some reliable muscle, Legendary Mechwarriors III has a good array of Mechs you can build a lance around plus an extra Griffin. AGoAC is the best deal for Mechs and comes with a couple books, and if you're willing to be a bit short on choices for non-ilClan Mechs the Core Box has a good variety.
>>98451691Nah, either a Dark Forest universe or a "we have only studied 0.0000000000003%" of the universe is far more interesting, besides our position and evolutionary history in this galaxy leave a massive niche for life to fill. Even if alien species are discovered in Battletech they might just pull a "nope, we want nothing to do with you fuckers stay away." and prevent smarter people from simply packing up and leaving the setting.
>>98452004There are dozens of known intelligent species in Battletech. The most advanced is early bronze age tech. The vast majority are barely stone age. Dark Forest is retarded.
>>98451894Grab Instant Action fron the OP, it's got the best pickup play scenarios
Looks like MW5 finally got cards on Steam. What's your company looking like?
Did IWM raise their prices again?
>>98452137Yep. Their chunkier models are pushing $40 now.
>>98452169How the hell are these prices justified. The other pewter shops I've been following have been at most half as much and khurasanminiatures and microworldgames are almost a fourth.
>>98452137>>98452198Justified by CGL taking over and mismanaging it, clearly.
>>98451858Only resumed reading the books with the Twilight of the Clans books and from what I investigated about the chronological order of stories set in late 3058-early 3060 (I plan on going over stories set from that early in chronological order), they were foreshadowing the Society conspiracy, yet the Society's destruction wasn't in any novel, as is most of the Wars of Reaving, and the one book that touched the WoR (Icons of War), doesn't touch upon the suppression of the Society.
Anyone know if there was ever any further updates on Alfabusa making a Battletech series? Last I was aware, the last one way back in 2021 was talking about issues figuring out who to get in contact with for that and as far as I know, that's the last we heard of it.
>>98452381I, for one, hope they never fully reveal everything about the Reaving, because it's the only hope I have that some remnants of my Clan avoided total destruction. There's a missing WarShip out there as it stands right now, that's my light in the tunnel.
>>98452004>a Dark Forest universeEven on Earth, social models other than the Chinese Communist Party exist, never mind space.It's a Western Taiwan political satire.
I want the Vindicator for my Capellans.>Have to buy a massively overpriced beginner box>or buy a massively overpriced metal singleGee that's great.
>>98452829Or just wait until Catalyst finallly releases those plastic robots into a force pack
>>98452823>satireYou do know that the "dark forest hypothesis" originated in Western science fiction right? The Berserker series by Fred Saberhagen, The Forge of God by Greg Bear, The Killing Star, and many more. >3 body problemOverrated as shit because it was heavily shilled by the CCP.
>>98452137I ordered through my FLGS and they still have the prices from 2025 on displayI wonder if they will just double them or sell me stuff for 50% off
>>98452849>Or just wait until Catalyst finallly releases those plastic robots into a force packGreat, just in time for 2028 Q3
>>98452854Somebody with less free real estate in their skull could tell that those belong to or are very close to Halo and Mass Effect-type scifi, which is the last thing one would claim of the Dark Forest concept as imagined by those West Taiwanese novels.
>>98450671Battletech has rules to simulate 20th century weapons. An RPG-7 would be equivalent to a light rifle shot at best. You are objectively, factually, indisputably wrong.
>>98450717Too bad those are still useless against BAR 10. Get a manpack LRM or SRM if you want to damage modern stuff in Battletech.
>>98452093The icons and backgrounds they created really were not worth it and just a rehash of what HBS already did with Battletech.
>>98452004>Dark Forest universeThis has always been the dumbest theory as it assumes absolute knowledge of enemies the moment they're discovered. Using the dark forest allegory, animals fucking scream at shit to fuck them at night, and attacking anything you see leads to a rat biting the tail of a tiger that had no reason to waste the energy hunting it before. If you nuke the first signal you hear you could end up destroying a world of a species/empire who controls dozens of galaxies and has technology beyond your understanding, next thing you know your species are being converted into immortal sapient toilets as punishment for unprovoked space 9/11.
>>98452829Just buy single models from ebay, it's what I do. Unless I want three or more models from a set I just buy them individually.
>>98453006Fermi Paradox in combination with West Taiwanese Dark Forest theory means those do not exist or, if they do, they have had the luck of having gone interstellar before their planet of origin was hit by a relativistic kill vehicle, making the survivors go silent.You're never in a position where not pretending to be dead isn't the sole winning strategy, because if there's a more powerful civ out there, that's only because they're better at pretending to be dead than yours. So just stay mum.
>>98453065>Fermi Paradox in combination with West Taiwanese Dark Forest theory means those do not existOr they exist but don't communicate through means we can currently detect or don't care to broadcast themselves to others. If a species has existed for a billion years but 900 million years ago stopped using archaic radio communication all their signals could have passed us by and they weren't actively avoiding us.There's so many assumptions that it assumes violence for the sake of violence. Also a dark forest isn't quiet, chinks would realize that if they ever left their concrete hellscapes, the whole analogy is dumb.The only thought experiment that MIGHT be dumber is Roco's Basilisk.
>>98453065Even if every civilization wants to stay silent, they would still presumably try to expand and colonize other planets or systems, if for no other reason than to avoid putting all their eggs in on basket in case their planet does get nuked. And assuming every civilization didn't develop at the exact same time, there's always going to be someone who was first and ends up having the advantage of being able to colonize planets before anybody else was around to nuke them.The end result is that when you first detect signs of another civ, you can never tell if they're confined to that one planet, or just an outpost of someone bigger than you (or even just having established enough off-world habitats or colonies that they can respond to you throwing an RKV at their homeworld by firing one at you, resulting in mutually assured destruction). In that case the winning move isn't to nuke everyone at first sign of them, but to stay quiet and observe.
>>98452796I like the Vipers and if they bring back the Jaguars, Gray Death Legion, FWL, and Eridani Light Horse from the dead they should bring back the Vipers. I liked their super hard training and high warrior standards even for clanners and them being based retards during the Wars of Reaving.>We need to purge the clans of the tains from spheroid clans>Didn't your clan invade and hold worlds in the inner sphere?>Um... well... *shoots another khan* *gets beaten to death and annihilated*
>>98453065>relativistic kill vehicle I've learned that any time someone uses this phrase, it means I can safely disregard anything they say. It indicates spacebattles type slackjaws rather than readers of actual fiction.
>>98453122A relativistic kill vehicle is the ultimate, strongest type of dad.
>>98453145>boring>ruins your weekend >adored by david weber>not a single good one that matters in all of Battletech I think you nay be on to something
>>98453122>being this stupidWow, this is a talent.
>>98453170It seems i angered a spacenattles type slackjaw. Why don't you go write some fiction about how smart you are for passing a basic physics course? That always makes your breed feel better.
>>98453096>There's so many assumptions that it assumes violence for the sake of violence.Whatever political experience could make somebody imagine a universe where those that get noticed end up getting mercilessly crushed without a recourse and without anybody giving a damn?
>>98451372So no argument and still no source cited? Very well, it’s been around forever in games so I’m sure that you’ll find one eventually. How is it pronounced? It’s okay if you need to look it up, I did too. 50 years and I’ve never heard it spoken once. I never even saw it in print until a couple of years ago.While you’re looking that up, look up what a thesaurus is and what it can do for you. The terms you should be focusing on are synonym and antonym. You may find all of this a bit confusing but I can assure you that these words have in fact been around forever. I’ve even heard them spoken enough times that I knew how they were pronounced.
>>98453441Even in the other European languages, "Malus" is an old-fashioned term rarely used within the field of finances. It has truly been almost universally displaced by "penalty".
>>98453176>seething this hardWhen multiple hard sci fi authors write about RKV's and the basic math checks out you look like a fucking moron. >seething about spacebattles You probably got laughed off the board, which is a fucking accomplishment congratulations you fucking cretin.
>>98453441>doubles the fuck downHow many times did your mother drop you?
>>98453065>making the survivors go silent.Making the survivors shoot back*Dark Forest turns all contact into automatic and unavoidable MAD. If you miss even a single outpost or ship that can shoot back, you've doomed a significant fraction of your own civilization.
>>98453910>Hard scifiLOL!>Math checks outWhat math? That an RKV could kill a planet? Sure. That an RKV could be launched, avoid detection, and hit a target hundreds of lightyears away across centuries of time? LOL! How are you moving an object capable of obliterating a planet at relativistic speeds while ensuring it can hit its target and thus has additional weight dedicated just to tracking and computing?
>>98454015You don't win a shooting war in the Dark Forest, because it's loud and draws the attention of Civs that are better at hiding than you are.Remember that humanity kinda sorta survived by threatening to tattle on the Trisolarians.
>>98454015>Making the survivors shoot back*Fucking this! It assumes that the first signal you detect from a species is the only signal out there.
>>98454242Shooting an RKV is the least quiet thing you can do. Whatever you're using to actually launch it is the most energy intensive thing your civilization has ever done and the signals used to coordinate that are also bad. The survivors have no reason to not launch one back at you after they detect it incoming years before it arrives and calculate exactly where it came from.
>>98454242>You don't win a shooting war in the Dark Forest, because it's loud and draws the attention of Civs that are better at hiding than you are.They stop being good at hiding the moment they shoot at you and reveal themselves. If you shoot at the first signal you reveal your position and are dead because not only do people know you exist but they know they have no reasonable recourse except extermination. Dark Forest Theory only makes sense on a level playing field.>Remember that humanity kinda sorta survived by threatening to tattle on the Trisolarians.What is this proof of? The fact that Dark Forest Theory works in the setting made for it? Hell if shooting can't be detectwd the moment the threat was made the Trisolarians should have immediately fired an RKV at earth, so even in a universe built around this dumb theory it doesn't make sense.
>>98453612It's also the Latin word for the Genus of the apple tree and has been used for at least 100 years in various Gardening and Agricultural books over the years. It is quite acceptable that oldfag anon has simply not heard it used by anyone because who the fuck would call an apple a "malus domestica"?
>>98453612I'm not any of the anons already in this argument, but I have only ever heard malus used to describe negative modifiers on a chance for things to succeed or happen in a game. Either a minus on a dice roll or a reduction in percentage due to some situation or condition that causes said malus.
>>98454280I already pointed out that higher tiers of cultures exist in that universe. They're better at hiding, so they don't run the risk of getting shot at by lower tier cultures and they also have means of attacking that lower cultures can't yet trace back to them, but they still have to mind that there are cultures above them that are even better at hiding than they are.Lower cultures starting a shooting war in your region might make enough noise for the next tier above to investigate the general region and then it's a coin toss whether they'll also notice cultures that have mastered signal masking to some extend.The Dark Forest theory basically is a Theory of Everything in that universe, as natural laws, such as the speed of light, are the remnants of higher culture's attacks on each other.
>>98454475So why ever shoot? The moment you shoot someone above you notices and euthanizes your whole species. Using your own logic nobody should ever shoot for fear they'll be spotted.
One thing no one seems to be mentioning is that, even at the best of times, it'd be years, decades, or even hundreds of years before anyone sees any signals. Then you have years upon years before any response comes, if ever. Space is big, and it's getting bigger and bigger by the second.
>>98454521That's the most retarded part, a lower culture not being able to detect you is not guaranteed and you won't know for sure until they shoot back. Now use more energy than your civilization has ever used in a single event to accelerate a big rock to an appreciable fraction of c, with the assistance of thousands of scattered organizations that have to communicate with each other across space to coordinate this herculean effort.
>>98454552Yes, which means that if anyone detects what you're trying to do to them, they have years and years to formulate their own big rock response. And why the fuck would they care if a third party also throws a rock at the place a rock is already going to? That just means they have a new target to back trace after they watch a rock fly through where the husk of their planet would have been if it hadn't already been hit by a rock.
>>98454521Higher tiers of culture have tech that clowns on the lower tiers so hard that they can afford the risk-reward calculation of whether to ice them or not. Shooting is still worth it if it keep the overall ambient noise below levels that will perturb the next tier of civ.Civs that just stepped into the universe don't have a security blanket towards each other, don't have the survivor's experience of just going dark on their own and they aren't multi-planet and interstellar yet. They're also unaware of the higher tiers, so shooting first and early is the only solution for them.
At what point was the Dark Forest theory and all this other crap proven pretty indisputably false in the setting of Battletech?
>>98454646>Higher tiers of culture have tech that clowns on the lower tiers so hard that they can afford the risk-reward calculation of whether to ice them or not. Shooting is still worth it if it keep the overall ambient noise below levels that will perturb the next tier of civ.>Cultures have strict tiers with no variability about what is detectable>Civs apparently can't detect a civ one or six "levels" below them firing off an RKVWhat a clown setting.>Civs that just stepped into the universe don't have a security blanket towards each otherThey have the security blanket of not wanting to die. Again your logic is "if a rat sees something moving in the darkness the logical thing to do is attack because it could never end up biting a tiger's tail." Hell even the core inspiration for the idea only makes sense if one is an urbanite whose biggest exposure to nature is a park in the middle of the city. Organisms broadcast themselves constantly, a forest at night has fireflies lighting up their bodies, it has frogs croaking and birds singing for a chance to fuck, it has animals growling and hissing is defense or opposition to rivals. If the universe was based on a dark forest we should be flooded with signals that say "Hot space sluts in your area. Space sugar daddies want earth girls. Huttxhumanxgrey gigaporn. Massacre at Kentares recently by the Kuritans. Cadia cracked by big dick Abbadon. Asari are built for big human cock.">They're also unaware of the higher tiers, so shooting first and early is the only solution for them.And they can't possibly deduce that any society could be more advanced? Are they retarded? Also what's to prevent a top tier species from firing decoy signals to locate and exterminate these psychos?
>>98454654When they started colonizing their second planet. The Blakists converted a mobile shipyard into the biggest gauss rifle ever seen and then used it to fire ferritic meteors (shaped and modified for the purpose) at planets to scour all signs of civilization off of them, but humanity has hundreds or maybe even thousands of planets and who knows how many permanent space installations (including a handful in random solar systems where no planets are colonized, like Gulf Breeze or Shady Palms). If some alien threw a rock at where they saw humans during the Terran Alliance days, they'd miss the majority of colonies which would be able to triangulate a return trajectory.
>>98454646>every civilization comes to the conclusion that every other civilization is so genocidal that genociding them first is the only option>but none of them ever conclude that they might not be able to detect every other civilization until they watch a civilization they can see (and therefore have shot at, exposing themselves) get destroyed by one they can't see (who are 100% going to see the attempted shot from the ignorant civilization because they can see and have already shot that target)
>>98454702>Hell even the core inspiration for the idea only makes sense if one is an urbanite whose biggest exposure to nature is a park in the middle of the city.Nah, the core inspiration of this particular interpretation clearly is 20st century West Taiwanese history. The repeated traumas of invasion and civil war, the great famine, the Great Leap Forward and the liberalization.All continental Chinese have woken up at least once to find that they have been completely fucked over and them having no recourse and no resources to deal with what is being done to them.It's such an extreme take that it really can't be read as anything other than political satire, and even a number of other Chinese scifi writers think it's dumb as a scifi concept and demeaning towards the allegedly sentient beings of this particular universe.It's like Blind Sight - interesting concept for a novel, but you better not base your worldview on a story featuring ancient, hyper-autistic, non-sentient vampire hominids that have once been accidentallied by homo sapiens drawing crosses.
>>98454827>but none of them ever conclude that they might not be able to detect every other civilizationThey arrived at having enough data to formulate the Fermi Paradox, but they still lack the tools to gather the data required to speculate that maybe everybody's simply hiding and waiting for a chance to shank the other passengers on this big, beautiful train ride towards entropy.That conclusion only comes natural when you assume that a society based on Mao Communism will be the last man standing on Earth and across all sentient life forms.
>>98454873I think another thing about the Dark Forest and the Chinese mindset that people in English-speaking countries tend to miss is that it's not simply that there's an incentive to destroy other civilizations, but a serious lack of incentive NOT to. Despite having more overall brainpower than most ethnic groups, the Chinese are a fundamentally incurious people. They value learning, yes, but the learning they value is of history and philosophy, not science and discovery. They don't want change, they want to maintain their culture a certain way in accordance with their own ideals of stability. Once their civilization reached a certain level of technology they basically stayed that way for hundreds of years until the Europeans started fucking with them in the colonial era and they were forced to either catch up or get enslaved. Whereas many whites see the very act of learning new things as a goal in and of itself, the Chinese see it as an obligation. Science is an exhausting, onerous burden they must undertake to keep their country strong enough to assert its interests against foreign powers, no more, no less. In that context, once you have the power to destroy another planet, there's little reason not to. Learning from them will give you no satisfaction and may outright threaten the stability of your culture before even getting into the prospect of open hostility.
