Detour To Endsville Edition>Previous>>98443904>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>5e Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>VtM to VtR fan translation guidehttps://mega.nz/folder/LhYTUD7b#cRDFTcMXSB_2TjD7eJoE5Q>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionHow would you fare in Endsville?
...HDPE is of the Weaver, BpA is of the Wyrm
How would I go about making a semi anonymous document to share with you guys?
>>98452557It pastebin still functional?
>>98452557if the sharing is the problem then gofile let's you share files without having a accountif the file itself has traces of your identity then there are "cleaners" in the share thread that you can send stuff to, but you'd have to ask the anons there because i haven't done that in a while (because i don't care if my name is in the meta data somewhere)
Reminder that you should send feedback for V6 if you think there's any chance it can be improved on, otherwise the devs are gonna rely on gigafaggots like pic related in their official discord to think what the fanbase wants.Long Feedback Response: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSebF_RGBULMOlqFH1KGzShQ3F6CBmgsWveED1p9uswjGkxK_w/viewformShort Feedback Response: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdrj-iLPF-446XDlMR4wQcVdYBs7C2NrZDML-5QQ5y_copXJg/viewform
>>98452655Please tell them they should make it more like Wod5 and DnD 5e
>>98452655I think V6's problems are too fundamental in the core rules to properly fix, and given that the Paradox devs are their own kind of problem-glasses women-and-queers, I'm willing to be money that they're too insecure and defensive to take lore critiques to heart, and will stay the course to vindicate themselves.That being said, I'm still gonna give feedback that might make V6 stay the way it as a frankenstein's monster of an edition, because I need the V5 defenders to remain unsatisfied so they feel what the rest of us have been for the past decade.
>>98452655i did the short one because we only did a oneshot so far, but it really didn't change my mind from what i had when i was reading itclan traits as clan merits that have age options are a cool idea, but taking powers that been disicpline powers from it is not the right way to do itvitae is awfuldiscipline been okay at least as a lasombrathe new humanity system looks like it's going to break at some point in a longer game but i don't care to play a playtest for that long for free
>tfw there's a rank 6 Fianna fetish which requires the ritual sacrifice of 7 maidens to work properly>it's somehow not a wyrm fetish
>>98452721>Wasting 7 perfectly good virgin womenThose retarded F*anna…
>>98452730To be fair, mathematically speaking, its worth it. If you get even 14 pregnant kin or Garou inside it's area of effect, you break even even in the most costly scenario.
The Stargazers should be the Alphas of the Garou Nation.
>>98452655I'm holding back a lot of judgment until I get a real playtest in, but discipline power cost = discipline power dot rating is stupid. And it's extra stupid when you're casting from HP
>>98452752But they don't even have sex, they'd be Alphas for like two generations before they die out.
>>98452752they are too busying being k/jpop idols or femboys
What's the Dark Medieval world like? Just the hollywood/victorian interpretation of the middle ages, or are there more things to consider when running a game in it?
Okay, so Prime 1 Consecration. That shit supposedly makes things part of your Pattern. This is also meant to be an in-universe explanation of why you can Teleport/Step Sideways/Polymorph without immediately going fucking naked, as things you have ownership of gradually get infected with your Resonance and start counting as part of your Pattern.So, does this theoretically let you bypass Life/Matter requirements on Correspondence Effects? Can you make a Correspondence 3/Prime 2 (3?) rote to Consecrate a mf from across the city and then yoink him to yourself or force a target to get teleported along with you?
>>98452778yeah especially given that you can't raise vitae above 11+ stamina and can't reduce damage below 1 with generationso if a 4th gen methuselah casts a single 8 dot (highest in the playtest) power he is half way in topor
>>98452655>who>Sensitivity Consultation and EditingWhat in the fresh hell
>>98452812Wait he's not some random he's on the fucking dev team???? If not for WW then for SOMEONE, he gets professionally offended??
>>98452789Teleporting a dude is an entirely Correspondence effect. You only need Life/Matter is you want to target specific things instead of “whole” things; Teleporting the bullets out of a gun, wallet from his persons (Matter); Teleporting a guy’s heart out of his body, killing him instantly (Life)
>>98452814Dunno if he still is but he's credited as that on Werewolf 5e and nothing else by the looks of it?
>>98452730Maybe...maybe the british weren't so bad after all?
>>98452824I'm running Revised, where Apportation explicitly needs an appropriate Pattern Sphere to teleport shit.
kinda funny that the newest vn that just released it's demo is immediately datedit features v5 thinbloods as a major thing
>>98452787Do elevens really?
>>98452846Thinkbloods are still around. They're just called "Duskborn" now for some retarded reason.
>>98452557If it's just a text document use catbox
>>98452910They were called Duskborne in V5 too, it was their term for themselves, similar to how the 'real' name for the Ananasi is Damhan.Which means you now have free reign to call people a slur at a table of even the most dangerous of hairs. Fucking thin-bloods.
>>98452910yes but they don't have thin blood alchemy anymore they are back to just being high generation instead of being a semi unique splat that nobody liked
Cowardice can... increase your Humanity?
>>98452538Hope requires all 3 members of the Triat
>>98452787>k/jpop idols or femboysWhat's the difference, unironicaly.
>>98452525Everyone is freaking out over Changeling and Mage, but I want to see how they'll fuck up Dark Ages Vampire. Even DAV20 already had too many female characters everywhere.
>>98452956It takes slightly longer for a femboy to hit twink death, than for a k-pop idol to graduate
>>98452538>HDPEHigh-Density Polyethylene?
>>98452978Yes, and BpA is bisphenol A, a plasticizer and endocrine disruptor.
>>98452964I once watched a video where Andrew Tate claimed women were physically incapable of stabbing their pimps. It's hard to imagine how much more sexist people were 1000 years ago
>>98452964Set exclusively in Japan to avoid accusations of Eurocentrism. Still heavily influenced by anime. There are a grand total of 3 male princes, 2 of them die in the process of the Chronicle, and you play the Ahrimanes who totally sailed around the Pacific to reach Japan and blend into the Onna Bugeisha.Here is where picrel would be a samurai lady if uploading images didn't give my connection an aneurysm for some reason, so just imagine I put it there.
Is there seriously no single decent resource for existing Fetishes out there?There's a few for homebrew games, there's disparate onyx path forums discussing them, but there's seriously no actual combined resource. There should be, some of these are actually decent. Although the theurgical hypocrisy with some of these methods are strange>Carving glyphs into your claws to give them a magical enchantment? OK!>Fetish Tattoos and Scar Fetishes? Honourable, valuable, encouraged even!>Carving glyphs into a wooden amulet? Go right ahead!>Glyphs on a silver sword? Perfectly Gaian!>Carving glyphs into a silver amulet? HERESY (unless you're a glass walker)>Corpse part Fetishes? Obviously of the Wyrm, ignore this skull I put dead eyes in to gain knowledge. >There are Talens which increase the chance of breeding true by 5%, let's not tell ANYONE about this. Those amulet Fetishes seem pretty powerful btw, the example they give uses only three glyphs, but I can imagine variants with 5 or more that have specific, desired effects.
>>98453011One I know of.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ND0UTfRp1pdxeFCbwNSkq8LHoTu_mgwgOutEhxNCo80/edit?tab=t.0
>>98453011I genuinely wouldn't mind at least guidelines for making fetishes and talens.Like I've asked a simple question before: "what should I offer a spirit to willingly get into a fetish?" Next to no answer.
>>98453032Offer? Just catch it and shove it in the thing you're making. If it complains, rattle it until it stops complaining.
>>98453032Btw, shout out to the one single guy who said war spirits would probably be all too happy to jump into weapons, and might add some "cannot be sheathed until I taste blood" quality to the resulting fetish
>>98453032I mean it's a bit like asking how long a piece of string is
Why do the Ventrue's Neonate traits only affect their Dominate? Don't they consider using Dominate to be like, a weakness, the tactic of cowards who can't convince people normally? Shouldn't they have, I don't know, literally anything related to the Ventrue sticking together or being the top dogs of Vampire Society? Maybe some social factors in this social game?
>>98453032I've tried to figure that out myself, but at the end of the day there's no straight answer.Your best bet is skimming Axis Mundi for ideas and also keeping track of all the collateral your group causes in cause some of it ought to please/anger a given type of spirit. A Net Spider might appreciate a reorganization the mismanaged archive you hacked into, a racoon spirit would love to make a new home in whichever corp office you just turned into a landfill.
>>98453047why do all the lasombra neonate traits need oblivion when it's now a optional discipline?because it's a unfinished barely thought out system that exists only because of a missreading of lore of clans
>>98453032there sadly isn't a really interesting answer vampire and mage just say vitae and quint and call it a dayand werewolf the book that should work the hardest to flesh it out just kinda doesn't
>>98453047If I had to pull a justification out of my ass? A Ventrue neonate is a cudgel for its sire, a bootlick and a masquerade mop. Dominate is their bread and butter.
>>98452846>the anarchs are a danger to our order we can't let them take over a media and captial city like berlin think about the masquarade!>the ventrue clan symbol in the lobby of a public hotelhow could the second inquisition ever catch these guys...this shit is so bad which is a shame because the main character is interesting
>>98453055Realistically just paying in Quint/Vitae only evens out the cost to the spirit unless you're feeding them a fully-charged Node's worth of that shit.You really should need to earn the spirit's favor, force it into subservience, trick it into compliance, or make a beneficial deal for a Fetish.
>>98453066kolduns have a weird investment system where they only have to pay 1 blood point for the spirit's loyalty but as long as they have the blood point invested in the spirit their maximum is reduced by 1and they can end this at any point which also ends their contract with the spirit
>>98453032Varies greatly, each spirit is unique and will ask something important like an object or a favor to it to be persuaded to be bound to a fetish. It could be a rare gem, some soil from a powerful caern, the meaning of life, beating up a naturae who said it looked like a bane, etc…
>>98453032>willinglyI think I see the problem
>>98453063Are any of the VN good?i didn't know they existed until recently
>>98453116i personally liked nightroad (although julien is annoying), parliament of knives and shadows of new york(but not the other two new york titles)but they are all really short for vns, but that might just be me being used to jp vns
>>98453032Anon, the guidelines for making fetishes are in the "Hammer & Klaive" supplement for Werewolf.The Guidelines for the different kinds od spirits are in Axis Mundi, Velvet Shadow, and Book of Madness(yes, 2 out of 3 of these are mage books)
>>98453051>because it's a unfinished barely thought out system that exists only because of a missreading of lore of clansWhich is an even greater insult because V20 "Lore of the Clans" is a barely coherent cliffsnotes version of the actual clanbook lore, that also retcons or straight-up forgets a lot of shit central to each clan.The writers are playing a perpetual game of telephone with whatever they skim off one book from the last edition instead of sitting down and actually sitting down to read the lore. Why the fuck are these idiots still getting paid???
>>98453166As these threads have shown, 'skimming off prior editions and running off with your headcanon' seems to be how literally every WoD player works to begin with, and the devs are still WoD players.
>>98453151Axis Mundi and Velvet Shadow are both Werewolf books, though>>98453171The devs outright say you should, “what is canon is what your table think it’s canon” is basically what the golden rule included in every core rulebook is
>>98453171>skimming off prior editions and running off with your headcanonAnon my problem with whitewolf writers is they skim Edition.As in singular.As in they only read V20 lore at best and/or are more familiar with the LARP scene than actual tabletop.They did not read the clanbooks, the sect guides, the misc supplements.I could pick a random anon off the thread and 80% his headcanon would be a fucking masterpiece compared to the nuwolf sloppa, because many anons here actually fucking read some of the books(if barely).
>>98453189>compared to the nuwolf sloppaThe bar is in hell. A fucking tax form produces more glamour than V6.
>>98453063this is even worse than it looks the surface. both of these guys are working for lucinde the ventrue justicar (who has also taken over all of paris for herself it seems) and are operating as a secret camarilla haven in a anarch city
>sit and wait for new thread>didn't notice new thread because nobody wrote "new thread"It's so easy to not fuck up the archives, come on man.
>>98452655>if you think there's any chance it can be improved onUntil they have at least hinted at being willing to retcon everything V5/W5/H5 did, there actually is no way V6 won't be shit. The game is like 90% fluff and oWoD survived nWoD despite the former largely being considered mechanically inferior solely on that fluff, and gWoD just doesn't cut it - the only reason it even ever pulled in any people was because it's wearing oWoD like a skinsuit.
>>98452906Literally first thing I reacted to. They had every opportunity to make a cute Japanese girl and they made.. a pasty abbo?
>>98452706>the new humanity system looks like it's going to break at some point in a longer gameit breaks on reading the rules, the only reason it works in oneshots is that people didn't fully commit to reading
Joachim Moses is the Marble Prince of Miami. Created circa 1200 in the Bohemian margraviate of Moravia, Moses spent the next 300 years in the loyal and willing service of the Tremere, being a non-participant in the 1476 Gargoyle Revolt lead by Virstania, the eponymous mother of gargoyles. It was only following the Montmartre Pact of 1489 and the formal cessation of the Anarch Revolt at the Convention of Thorns 1493 that Moses circa 1500 crushed the head of his Tremere master and left the Madrid chantry; first to travel to Constantinople and then Alexandria, Cairo, down the Nile River, across the Congo Basin, to set sail from Kinshasa for the New World.It was during the voyages of the slave ship Nassau that he befriended its Jewish owner, Rabbi Isaac Levy, and was given the name Joachim, taking the surname of Moses for himself. After the ship was lost with all hands outside the coast of Trinidad Moses spent the next half-century travelling the coastlines and jungles of the Carribbean and the Gulf of Mexica, eventually settling near the Mayaimi tribe of Lake Okeechobee and the nascent Spanish colony of Biscayne Bay circa 1600. When Pablo Verhoeven arrived as part of the Cuban mission in 1743 and established Biscayne as a diocese of the Sabbat, Moses did not involve himself despite overtures, and remained an autarkis fixture for centuries, refusing all participation in the Jyhad.This lasted until these final nights of the 1900's. In cooperation with the Sheriff Samedi, Moses intervened in the apparent conflict between Pablo Verhoeven and his alleged childe, Benito de Riviera, when the so-called Lasombran Kinwar threatened to involve the entire region and result in a catastrophic masquerade breach, tempting Camarillan intervention. Following the chaos, Joachim Moses found himself the Prince of a highly eclectic demesne.
>>98453047Cause the creators have no respect for the game
>>98453353• Being paradoxically both one of the oldest Princes in America as well as the youngest by regency, he expects deference from age, but is at the same time denied it due to his bloodline, tenuous position, and perceived inexperience.• He considers himself a man of order and principle, who will act magnanimous and charitable with one hand but strike down mercilessly against threats to his authority and breeches of the Traditions with the other.• Although he does not necessarily act on it, he harbors a cold hatred against all Tremere, and will likely judge all Tremere harsher than any other, and find faults in any of their actions, if possible.• He harbors little ill-will against any other clan, and would not care about the Sabbat if not for their penchant for truly inhuman acts; his position as part of the Camarilla is almost entirely out of convenicence and realism rather than conviction, but he also recognizes that there is no going back.• He is even-tempered and stone-faced at nearly all times, with an aura of unshakeable constancy, but will unleash his Beast in violent fits of relentless rage when pushed or when he perceives himself irreconcilably wronged.• His friendship with the Sheriff Samedi is enduring and genuine, having known eachother far longer than anyone suspects.• Secretly, he has a somewhat romantic relationship with the harpy Kyleena, who also serves as his secretary, personal assistant, and gatekeeper.• He maintains an inordinately large amount of ghouls throughout southern Miami, possibly several dozen, belonging to a "Cult of the Dragon". These are rarely fed in person, relying on extractions of vitae delivered via courier and dead-drops. No-one else knows of this and Moses himself does not value them on a personal level at all.• He is of exceptionally low generation even for a Gargoyle, having cut an amaranthine swathe throughout his travels.• He spends every day atop his downtown high-rise as statue.
>>98453047Why is "Neonate" considered a strength-level? It can make sense to gate things behind generation, because it is a literal measurement of how thick the vitae runs in a given vampire, whether you ascribe this to Caine or whatever, but "Neonate" is literally just a social title based on cultural convention - conventions that are regularly not even adhered to.Like why the fuck would you have to be recognized as ancilla in order to have an Imposing Physique? It's like saying that Arnold Schwarzenegger should not have been allowed to be a successful body builder before he became senator.Do they give this shit any thought at all or consider how this fits together with the world that is being depicted at all before they just string words together?
New storytime>Ecstatic and Verbena PCs are tracking down the necromancer to his evil ass mountain manor>dude has stolen a kid in broad daylight and abducted two teens while graverobbing the fuck out of any poor person's coffin he can get his hands on>he jumped them and killed a cop with an evil ass obelisk before resurrecting him >they old yellered the cop but only after the gun jammed and they needed to shoot the fucker twice>entire fucking building despite mostly being slightly disrepaired and flecking some paint and the lawn not being mowed is RADIATING visceral bad vibes >they step inside the building and find out why>coffins and bones are fused into the walls and floor>heads turn to look at them>arms reach out to grab them>necromancer appears atop the staircase and tries to take off his glasses in front of them >they know that this guy has this crazy bullshit power that freezes you in place if he takes off his glasses to look at you in the eyes>he starts to take off his glasses>both of them immediately look away>he mocks them before siccing some shitter undead on them>the verbena has NO fucking combat skills (our combat character and rolls like shit during initiative >bro is entirely useless during the fight and cannot contribute even slightly basically just gets his ass beat by a skeleton that only has twos in all its stats>Ecstatic got a pistol off a dead mob hitman sent by a loan shark she owes money to that they managed to get to swerve into a tree >stole a shotgun from the dead cop's car >she doomguys them and starts blowing the enfleshed zombie she was tangoing with managing to severely damage and finish it off quick while the verbena basically gets thrown to the ground and the skeleton is ready to bite the shit out of him>she shoves her pistol into the thing's jawbow and blows its head clean off with a crazy ass high roll>pair of them regroup and head downstairs>before them is a fountain made of dead flesh and bone spewing out bile
>>98452525>TQProbably dead within the week.
>>98453360The Prince daysleeps in full view of the public? Gargoyles should have never been allowed off the leash
>>98452916>their term for themselvesHow the fuck have these fuckers even been able to form their own internal culture? They're a relatively new phenomena, there's no reason to think that most of them know eachother, and the overwhelmingly vast majority of them should be caitiff to begin with, with no-one to inform them of what they are. This is beyond retarded.
>>98452752I'm usually on board with how retarded Werewolf is, but Kung Fu Lycan is a bridge too far.
>>98452557You'll actually have to tell us what kind of document if you want any help. There's countless ways. But for most files just upload it literally anywhere while using a VPN and you should be fine, unless you're going to share actual child porn or some shit.
>>98452788If only there was a good source to read that would answer all of your questions about how WoD does the the Dark Ages.
>>98453413>>98452913>>98452586>>98452581I have a bunch of written notes that I want to turn into a nice looking medium for you guys, I just dont know how to make it & then share it. I have not kept up with technology much
>>98453402they been around for 30 years that's longer than a lot of supcultures lastedand they knew each other because thinblood alchemy encouraged meeting up and sharing recipies which caused them to have their own circles and culture seperate from the real full blooded kindredbut they don't have that anymore so we have offically reached point where the writers are not only stealing from wod or cofd without understanding why something was like that in these settings and why taking it out of that context might not work. no! we have reached the point where they are now doing the same with V fucking 5
>>98453369In the V6 playtest, they explicitly use neonate, ancilla, and elder, to refer to your generation instead of your age.
>>98453440a bit more complicatedthey use age, generation and tier interchangeably but also tell you that if you want to play a low gen neonate then... well your st has to figure that one out themselves, so these things are still seperate in-universe they are just not seperate in the rules
>>98453390Clearly a Marauder wuz here.
>>98453429>they been around for 30 years that's longer than a lot of supcultures lastedSubcultures involved tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of individuals essentially collaborating across vast swathes of the world, communicating openly, taking influences from eachother, and they still formed and dissipated slowly. The comparison is absurd.>they knew each other because thinblood alchemy encouraged meeting up and sharing recipies which caused them to have their own circles and culture seperate from the real full blooded kindredThey should barely even be able to find eachother! Also, "thinblood alchemy" is stupid>we have reached the point where they are now doing the same with V fucking 5I wonder if we're working our way to a reverse-singularity scenario, with people having lower and lower attention span until they actually break down. We are now at the point where developers supposedly dedicated to a game cannot even be bothered to keep their attention focused over a body of work 5 years old and a single edition removed from what they are working on. Truly grim.
So if I'm reading this (and C20 itself) right, this sequence is valid?>Step 1: Pick Kinain (-1 Difficulty to target yourself) >Step 2: Be one a Kith whose affinity Realm (another -1) is Actor (covers most non-Fae creatures except for Wraiths - including you, as mostly human)>Step 3: Get Time 1 with one of your starting Realm dots (Thrice-Fold: Triples the length of a Cantrip in exchange for +1 Difficulty)>Step 4: Get the Merits "Because I Know I Can" (Only lose Willpower spent on a roll if you fail, so long as it's 6+ Diff - the base for Cantrips is 8) and "Art Affinity" (-1 on a specific Cantrip Art - Kinain only get 1 to start instead of the usual 3 anyway)>Step 5: Spend your single starting Art dot on Dragon's Ire 1 (Burning Thew: Successes are split between giving increased Strength dots and the turns it lasts, and doesn't cost Glamour innately)>Step 6: Consistently roll at either Diff 5-6 at base (or lower, with appropriate Bunk stunts), and get like 6 turns of bench-pressing a car from only 2 successes
>>98453390>the teens before them are infused into the fountain with black veins creeping out of the fountain leaching the life out of the both of them>the necromancer is standing before a portal of pure darkness that's full of wyrmshit and is ready to out some crazy ass bane bullshit the flesh gesyer is on top of a node and all the black dark goop is feeding directly into the floor to this guy via scratches in the floor>chains hang from the ceiling with hunks of torso and heads and limbs upon hooks >necromancer is surrounded by three crazy pillars of obsidian that begin to revolve around necromancer>hooks begin to fly from the ceiling embedding into his skin as he preps his ritual before trying to take off his glasses to freeze them in place>verbena imbues the ecstatic with an extra die because he knows this will probably need to happen now than never and she burns a willpower>about seven dice in a shotgun to hit this guy as the pillars revolve around him >difficulty is an eight or a nine because the pillars are blocking everything as they revolve around him>BOTCHED>gun jams and the necromancer takes off his glasses>pitch black hollow sockets inside his head >both of them feel the entirety of themselves being pulled into this guy>all light in the room is drained into this freak>they cant see each other as they feel everything that makes them them being drawn into this guy>need to make a willpower check at difficulty seven >three successes needed>thankfully theyve both been hording willpower this entire story so they're still at max>ecstatic who has a lower willpower manages to pull off some crazy shit and gets the save>verbena takes willpower damage as he feels memories and emotions drawn into the abyss inside the necromancer >>98453452Malfean Nephandus actually who was working with a pentex subsidiary ceo running an evil ass chemical processing plant the verbena worked atceo turned out to be dogshit at magic and couldnt learn much from him
>>98452525Unironically Endsville would be a good place for a WoD campaign.>>98452956One has a vagina while the other a dick.
>>98453463>They should barely even be able to find eachotherthe blood magic v5 book had them and other blood sorcerers (yes they been put together) have dozens of cults and global circles of fellow "red workers" with black markets and job listings and all all over the world despite schrecknet collapsing and the SI still going onallegedly they only didn't exist before because the tremere pyramid put it foot down whenever someone tried that beforeis it stupid as fuck? yeahis it in the books? also yeah again it's the premise of a entire bookis that where the name comes from? yupcould this still have happened in v6? no. because no alchemy no red workers no global th*n blood culture to come up with the name
>>98453399>The Prince daysleeps in full view of the public?I wouldn't call it "in full view of the public". It is at the top of a high-rise, in an austere stone garden. Even if someone were to see him in the distance he'd be a speck. Worst-case scenario some cattle nobody notices the statue being there during the day and then sees it gone at night.Even if they by some miracle see him get up and leave, it's one of those "No-one will ever believe you" scenarios.
>>98453486Jesus Christ this is so fucking stupid, what the fuck.
>>98453482What kind of hunter would Ross Delgado be? Technosorcerer (all his gadgets on his hand)? Imbued?
>>98453468Those are some expensive Merits just to be a muscle wizard, but otherwise yes. Also works on any normie friends you make.
>>98452557>>98453427Did you know you can post PDF files on /tg/?
>>98453528Did you know you can't?
>>98453495what do you expect from the book that had hits like pic related in it? here a bit of reading if you want to kill some braincells>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Redworking>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/The_Circulatory_Systemstreet level for you. international human trafficing sorcerers orgs for us>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/XTend_Ltd.temu Cheiron Group>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Alchemical_Flock>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Athanor_Mundithinblood only anarch revolt>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/DOVECOTE>https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/CRONUSwith two internet groups
>>98453481>Ecstatic manages to rouse him with some assistance after another failed roll but this has given the necromancer enough time to start his ritual>the chains rip off his skin revealing underneath a being of pure darkness while he summons forth a torrent of souls that weave around the pillars and feed into the portal >the skin dangles from the chains before being puppeted forward towards the pair >basic concept of the battle >necromancer is charging up a ritual but has divided his arete between himself in his skinsuit>he's taken three dots of lethal damage so his dicepool has been reduced and he got his finger blown off>he needs to charge up the ritual while fending off the two of them>two of them just need to take the two of them out to get the win condition>thats what WOULD have happened if the verbena didn't use holy stroke to drop a massive Kamehameha on him >pours his very last point of quint into this attack >his avatar appears behind him to focus his energy and this guy got his finger blown off so theyre in a node and this guy has sympathetic magic they can channel into him>dicepool is drastically lowered and because this shit is so goddamn ballsy we ignore the wound penalties >10, 8 and a 7>it hits>necromancer only had four health states left after being wounded previously >dude completely gets his shit rocked as the beam of pure light strikes him and renders him unable to charge the ritual for the rest of the fight >rest of the fight was just the ecstatic blowing apart his skinsuit with a goddamn shotgun and gets two crazy high rolls rolls as well instantly blowing the fucker apart in two turns of combat while it only inflicts about two damage on both of them total >necromancer is forced to merge back together with his skin>bleeding yellow blood from all his wounds and trembling he goes on about how death is only the beginning for him"Happy Beginnings then fuckhead.">Ecstatic blows his head off with the shotgun
I SUMMON FROM BEYOND THE SHROUD ALL WRAITH FANS TO GATHER YOUR WISDOM. All 6 anyways.Is Wraith20 really THAT bad compared to Revised? I've read some comments say it messes with the bleak depressing tone, and a couple powers are more costly, but it doesn't seem to be anywhere near the shitshow M20 is.
>>98453528We USED to be able to post PDFs. But that unironically allowed the Sharty to steal Hiro's password and hack the entire site last year, so they removed it.They claim it'll be back "eventually", but let's be honest, it's never coming back.
>>98453556W20 is fine. I dont want any game to get too bleak otherwise you're just a grouo of dudes sitting around table feeling suicidal & that might feel cathartic in your teens/early twenties, but shit takes a different tone in your middle years
>>98453556it is nowhere near the shitshow that is m20 that is true and having a chapter that makes orpheus compatible with wraiths was a nice little surprise bonus but it is also opposite of an improvement on every other part where it tries to change anything wraiths are in general weaker, the setting is less unique and bleak and same with the society that your wraith exists inif m20 is a 1/10 book then wraith is a low 4/10 book for me because it just does not justify it's existence
>>98453556I'm reasonably sure I had the Dalmatians one as a small kid, so I'm going to say I that one.
>>98453538This is because that's the sort of person you see at a LARP. LARP has damaged VtM more than literally anything else. The devs are all into LARP and it shows and I feel like we aren't banging the drum on V6 being LARPslop as much as we did about V5. Is it less LARPslop?
>>98453553>Necromancer's body begins to twitch and writhe as souls shoot free flying out of his body and clawing at his skin while yellow blood spurts from his head >the angry ghosts drag the necromancers body into the portal >one of his pale hand still reaching for the pair of them before he's pulled in>his pale headless body tumbles and turns into the dark expanse, going, going and gone as it goes from little more than a pinprick to vanishing from sight>all the undead shit crumbles to dust along with the fountain >the pair of them are both wounded suffering from a minus two to all rolls>they examine the teens and find out theyre still alive but just barely >theyre starved and anemic >Ecstatic begins looting the house>most of it has been completely trashed or taken in an estate sale but she does manage to nab some actual silver silverware>she also fails a perception check>Verbena tries to take the pair of teens to the car >outside is another car next to theirs>and a man pointing a shotgun at his headENTER THE LOAN SHARK >this loan shark has been working for the necromancer >he was paid half up front and half on receiving of payment to steal an amulet from a little rinky dinky local museum >they've managed to stumble across three of his dead associates >personally they caused the car accident of one who was the hitman he put outside the museum to keep watch and tried to chase them down in a car chase>all three of them died to the zombies under the necromancers command because he was intending to double cross them anyway >neither mage has ANY stealth so theyve torn a trail across town>one otolley's exploded>one car crash>one devastated summer home after a battle with a necromancer>the verbena has his hands full and tries to talk shit asking for a light of a cigarette if he's gonna kill him>gets smashed across nose with the butt of a shotgun >don't make him roll damage but have him get a bloody nose>gears turning in head>no winning move
>>98453617Do these mages have any magic at all? Are they underbuilt? The story is fine, it sounds like one part Stephen King/Stranger Things one part Dresden Files, but your characters seem like they only focus on actions theyre bad at
>>98453617>Loan Shark tells the Verbena that if he tries anything funny he will fucking kill him on the spot>player realizes that he'd have to win an roll off against somebody healthier and stronger than him>complies and is walked over to the side of the house>told to call out for the ecstatic>he tries to leave a subtle clue given that the teenagers are laying on the ground and said he "put them in the car">she fails a perception + empathy check and sticks her head out the door confusedly asking why he left them on the ground then>loan shark sticks a gun to the side of her head>ask the player with all the experience she's had now with fighting the necromancer, the hitman and the house of horrors if she's still afraid of him>answers yes and given she has a literal fucking gun to her head by the person she's most afraid of I ask for a willpower check to remain calm>rn down to three willpower after the battle with the necromancer>failed>she freezes up realizing exactly what the fuck just happened and he grabs her and tosses her to the ground asking they kick over their guns>they comply>he angrily asks her why his guys are dead because of HER and what the fuck she thinks she's doing>she gets a few social checks>scraping together successes to prevent him from going postal>tells him it was a double cross>still pissed with her>cost him money>a LOT of money>on top what she owes>>98453640they're baby mages rn who did some crazy shit as this is the "starting" part of chronicle, mind you they did a lot of research to get here and a lot of social finagling and break ins. They were also COMPLETELY exhausted after two back to back fights with the necromancer. I intentionally designed this to be a bit of a dick kick and apologized because this is meant to be the next plot hook and i wanted them to hate the loan shark (he's an enemy from the flaw enemy with three dots invested)This was intended to be swerve(also we had a combat character, keyword had)
>>98453500Im not the most familiar with Hunter but I would assume imbued Avenger with the hand coming from Iteration X.
>>98453538How this makes me feel.>>98453566Because of the encroaching desire to actually die?
>>98453686>tells her he would kill her but because a huge of his guys has managed to end up dead that he literally cannot afford to kill her right now >blames her calling her a fucking curse and no wonder her parents threw her the fuck out >gives her a cell phone and tells her whenever he calls it she better answer>he's setting her up in a place under one of his and she better be there and he wants to know where she's coming and going>tells her he'll call her for favors >threatens to kill her in her sleep if she doesn't do it >as a final parting fuck you he takes all the money, loot and guns she had on hand and in her van before driving off>ecstatic is understandably completely distraught and has been stuttering and basically pleading with the loan shark the entire time>this is a flashback to her awakening where the loan shark nearly beat her half to death and stomped on her before she managed to awaken afterwards trying to clean herself up in the bathroom>Verbena is righteously pissed and says they need to do something about it, people like the necromancer, people like the loan shark, people like his boss>They wont stop unless they make them>Asks if she can kill the loan shark "I got metroid reset.""Bro this is like beating the final boss and then getting beaten by a level one goblin.">they had a tearful reunion one of the mom of the teenagers>mom is sobbing and asking the verbena for anything that she can do>he smiles at her and cringes after getting hugged still having some serious damage to him and warns>winks at her >both of them earn $500 bucks to make up for the fact they just got their shit stolen and rocked"I might take you up on that offer">both of them retire to the hotel room>the cellphone goes off"HE COULDN'T WAIT ONE FUCKING DAY"And thats the first part of my chronicle I made sure they were fine and like I didn't want them to think I was being a asshole and they told me they were chillI love my players so muchI love WoD.
>>98453323>>98452906
>>98453772Moral of this story, even if youre a badass wizard, you cant fuck around or a guy with a gun can end you for both sides.Thanks for listening in, hope you enjoyed the story time!
>>98453608I'm not going to defend LARPers here, but I don't think that's it. There's no inherent reason why LARPers would divorce mechanics and narrative in the way that V5/V6 does, and the issue of narrative-mechanical congruence is something we see countless modern writers struggle with across almost the entire industry. It's endemic and I have a hard time believing that it's due to LARPing.
>>98452906Yellow fever does strange things to a man's brain.
>>98453309I normally just link the new thread 3 times and immediately jump ship. Ill add NEW BREAD next time.
>>98453777Naruto's a terrible choice for that image because he's supposed to be a westerner, frankly.
>>98453765More that the futility of the struggle to survive sets in. Im a guy with a good job doing everything I can for my kids to have a roof & food & no matter what I do I cant seem to not lurch crisis to crisis. Im tired all the time, no passion or time fir hobbies, any moment not spent working or with my kids fills me with guilt. Etc I already feel this pull on the core of my being like some great black hole is pulling the life out of my chest & I keep it from tearing free & leaving me hollow with fishhooks fashioned out of guilt & fear. Playing a game where thats not quite a metaphor anymore does not feel good.
It's always fun to see people still be suprised at just how bad v5 got
>>98453427you can just convert most text based files to a pdf using stuff like pdf 24 >https://tools.pdf24.org/en/pdf-converterand again gofile is ithe current go to share site of tg
>start interacting with Lupus posters>my youtube feed now show's me admittedly cute videos of wolvesGLASS WALKER SPIES GET OUT, I NEED NOT YOUR PROPAGANDA
>>98453556Wraith 20 is serviceable, but keep in mind having options in how to run wraith is good because despite really wanting it to it is hard to sell to friends>Yo bro, let's play a Civil War type of game, but it's set in the '90s and everyone is an undead spook out to turn you into a brick for their crumbling slave empireSounds cool right? Then they read the book and get the tone and it's like>wow, this shit is sadand then they want to play something else.
>>98453486>>98453538>v5 made the tremere pyramid the heroes who stopped a global blood sorcery black market and international vampire and human trafficers conspiracies from existing based?
>>98453566>>98453841>Im tired all the time, no passion or time fir hobbies, any moment not spent working or with my kids fills me with guiltCan relate, you'll do anything for those little buggers. Just became a parent myself and the gf and I both decided one is enough. Only time I get is spent reading .pdfs and making characters for games I'll likely never play since an actual tabletop session with friends is a once a year thing at best. Pbp doesn't suit me and I'm learning the constraints of solo play real quick.Least it makes for an appreciation for life and not>W20 is fineAye, thanks.>>98453576>on every other part where it tries to change anything >wraiths are in general weaker, the setting is less unique and bleak and same with the society that your wraith exists inI see. So if I give revised and whichever supplements I use a read for the mood and maybe add a few dice to a wraith's powers it should be alright? I don't think it's too hard to make an afterlife of bureaucracy hell where the bricks are made of people and buildings are ruins built on top of ruins which you make so other wraiths don't turn you into said bricks and money. I just really like having the convenience of everything in one place. >>98453603There's just something cursed about old 90s sheets you got at your cousin's or grandma's house.
C20>W20>V20>>>>>M20>Wr20
>>98453984>I see. So if I give revised and whichever supplements I use a read for the mood and maybe add a few dice to a wraith's powers it should be alright? wraith has no revised edition it's really just one bookit's less about dice and more about what those powers can do + some weird changes like risen being weaker and more limited in what powers they can useand spectre cults but those really been brokeni would recommend reading through the both arcanoi sections and decide which ones you like more> I don't think it's too hard to make an afterlife of bureaucracy hell where the bricks are made of people and buildings are ruins built on top of ruins which you make so other wraiths don't turn you into said bricks and money.that's one of the things that wto20 downplays in comparision to old wraith because suddently there is quite a bit of non soulforged material around and not just stuff like plasmic that people would need to venture out to farm no actual material>I just really like having the convenience of everything in one placethat's the very thing that bothers me about w20 it's not all that much more than the previous corebook. wraith only had one edition and while yes wto20 also has stuff like orpheus (which was a different game) and risen (which previously just been one other supplement book) in the corebook that's kinda all it has rules wise that wasn't in the previous corebook wraith isn't as small as dtf or the limited runs in cofd but it's also not a giant gameline like vtm, wta or mage or even ctdi think there might be more kote books than wraith
>>98453797The thing is that if you read from the archives the "" doesn't show up so it's easy to miss the post, and if there's no "NEW THREAD:" you can't search for it either. No harm, no foul.>>98453928The fact that the writers did not consider the implications of what they created at all is emblematic of modern writing. Like there's absolutely no way this would not immediately result in human trafficking on a massive scale.>b-b-b-but we wrote thinbloods as oppressed GOOD GUYS?!Yeah because you're fucking stupid and can't think beyond good intentions.Where is that image from anon it's great.
>>98454043>Where is that image from anon it's great.>https://x.com/FranLu07/media
>>98454046Good shit. I hate how Twitter is getting more and more aggressive about getting an account, they really need to fuck off with that.
>>98454043>the "" doesn't showAlright, so apparently 4chang eats the arrows these days if you post them. But yeah the arrows at the end of a cross-thread link.
>>98454043>Like there's absolutely no way this would not immediately result in human trafficking on a massive scale.they wrote that into the setting >https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/The_Circulatory_Systembut they also wrote that these group only now are bold enough to act like this because the pyramid is goneAND wrote that the pyramid being gone is a good thing and only bootlickers (not kidding they call loyalist tremere that in blood sigil) and people scared to (un)live for themselves want it backso international slaver and human trafficing groups that regularly sacrifice people on industrial scale.... good?
>>98454069>Good shit. I hate how Twitter is getting more and more aggressive about getting an account, they really need to fuck off with that.if you have the link for the account or post you want to see you can use websites like>https://snaplytics.io/twitter-viewer/to view it and also see the uncensored version without giving elon your goverment id
>>98453842I think a lot of us checked out early on after seeing how bad V5 Core was and how it along with the first 1-2 supplements established V5 as a completely different setting from the original WoD. I certainly did. And then W5 and H5 reinforced that. I couldn't imagine that it would actually get progressively *worse*.
>>98454081>so international slaver and human trafficing groups that regularly sacrifice people on industrial scale.... good?WtH but the sabbat isn't playable because it's too evil
>>98454097Yeah, that's exactly what I ended up doing. Just writing hitler in front of the x also helps just for navigation and reading.
I’ve said it before but Ice Pick Lodge would be a perfect studio to do a Changeling The Lost game
>>98454081Having it lead by the Ventrue also makes no sense. This is clearly Lasombra territory. Didn't anyone explain to these people that the Ventrue/Camarilla is the Cosa Nostra while the Lasombra/Sabbat is the Sinaloa? It's the Mafia vs. the Cartels, conceptually simplified. Fucking idiots.
>>98454149i could see it, but that would require them to do something that is not a new version of pathologic and them being so obsessed with getting THAT vision right is kinda their charm
>>98453538>street level for you. international human trafficing sorcerers orgs for usJust like in real life!
>>98454157i could see a ventrue human trafficing org based on the idea of getting ventrue herd members that fit their feeding preferencebut that would be far smaller in scale, for ventrue only and the people involved would probably not be treated as badly as normal victims of human trafficing
Tell me of the spiders.What do they do?
>>98454220mostly just flexing on other fera because they are some of the more broken ones rules wise and are more weaver alligned which means that they are doing better these days than the rest and be emotionless
>>98453902Noh
>>98454220Spider Mom is actually a back-up for the Weaver created in case of complications, and the spiders want to enact the emergency procedure and promote Spider Mom to Weaver. Spider Mom tells them this is a good thing, but doesn't actually give a shit about the Anansi at all and will be happily sacrifice all of them to kill her mom/sister/clone donor (Weaver) and take over.
>>98453566>but shit takes a different tone in your middle yearsO-oh...
>>98454081Im gonna try not to go on a Tremere glazing rant, but in all honesty these fucking retards destroyed the Pyramid because they literally cannot understand on a fundamental level why the Pyramid existed in the first place, how the Pyramid actually functions, nor how you can have freedoms within the structure that exists. They wanted fun blood magic with no structure or intitution & thats it. They thought "but I want to be a Wiccan vampire girl who reads old books with her ghouled cat & they visit the Blood Magic Market & treat it like a crafts mall/farmers market. Meanwhile the entire point of vampire, let alone the Tremere is that power comes with strings. You have to do favors for Elders, risk bloodbonds, & everything else just to get normal disciplines. Let alone find blood magic. Theres the evil snake cult that "good" people would stay away from, the clan of assassins that hated other vampires, the creepy old Clan living in the middle of nowhere, & then the Tremere. The Tremere hold on to Thaumaturgy with an iron grip because its the one thing that helps legitimize them against older & more numerous Clans.
>>98453787Thank you for the story anon. Its always a fine line with maintaining tension. Too little and they get bored/feel invincible. Too much and they feel like theyre just there to be bullied by the ST.
>>98454293I mean, the Weaver went nuts
>>98454157No they dont. They just see Ventrue as old money aristocrats & thats who they think does real human trafficking
>>98454379We'll take it easy for a bit, they're headed to the big city and they're gonna be running errands for the loan shark while other shit is starting to go down. Magic is harder there and there's way more chances for sleepers to fuck with them.This will bring things down from the fantastical back into more modern shit after that crazy high
>>98454081>only bootlickers (not kidding they call loyalist tremere that in blood sigil) and people scared to (un)live for themselves want it backButthurt House Carna bluesky losers wrote it. "Boohoo I'm expected to follow a system with fucking rules and shit I'm being oppressed!"
>>98454364>"but I want to be a Wiccan vampire girl who reads old books with her ghouled cat & they visit the Blood Magic Market & treat it like a crafts mall/farmers market.That's what Circle of the Crone is for.
>>98454419Does this take place in the Balkans?
>>98454458I know. But they took that setting around back & shot it in the head. So they then had to force their stupidity into the old shit
>>98454458While the new book gives you the option to just play a tremere in vtr (the crone is just our language of magic!) you don't need to go that fartelvanic tremere existedanarch sorcery existed new wave sorcery existed
>>98454463Fictional America, loan shark is mafia but it's set in the 2000s so they still have SOME power.
>>98454364>The Tremere hold on to Thaumaturgy with an iron grip because its the one thing that helps legitimize them against older & more numerous Clans.Not just that, but the Chantry provides an incredible resource for a Tremere player to take advantage of. A haven, resources, logistics, lore & history, expertise, etc. The price you pay for all that is an abusive family and whatever tasks or boons your storyteller wants to push on you. Not only that but if you encounter something of imminent interest to the Camarilla's interests the Tremere will blow the fucking doors off with C4 and storm the place if they feel like it. Modern writers screech about the Chantry as if it's 'fascist' but don't pay a thought to the fact that it works both ways: Lick the right boots and they stomp someone else's face.
>>98450797You can play an internet troll.
>>98454485I dont know why, but your story gives me "The Baytown Outlaws" vibes mixed with Stephen King, or "typical day in Serbia" vibes. This is not a criticism, I feel like the story beats are almost like a Guy Richie film.
>>98452788As in World of Darkness?Terrible place to be a mortal.
>>98454458That's still not the Circle, though. This is the Circle:>The Chase brings with it a feeling of elation, a sort of wild, fierce joy. I can feel the dappled moonlight filtering through the leaves onto my skin. I can hear the animals go silent as I pass nearby; I like to imagine the sad papery sound of death, of flowers withering away instantly as I brush past them. I can feel my hot, iron-heavy breath coming in heavy gasps — unnecessary breath, born of a reflex, some remembered race-memory from before I was even living, as if the beast from which I evolved could only return to me after I died, after I had ceased to be human. I can feel my blood burning, the needle-sharp points of my teeth against the tip of my tongue. And the fear, too. A sense of absolute terror, always, the feeling that it’s a dangerous thing, that any of us could end up completely destroyed, become the next victim, if not of the quarry, of the thing inside. It’s wonderful.>I almost fall headlong into the hollow, tripping over a root, but landing, hands splayed, legs sprung on the bare earth. Our quarry has fallen — the root clearly got him. He’s on the ground in the hollow, crying like a child. The sole of one of his ridiculous boots has come away and he’s too scared to know quite how much it hurts, that he wouldn’t be walking away on that ankle even if I let him go. Half of his ponytail has come loose. I can see the others catching up out of the corner of my eye, and they’re hungry too. But this is my first Chase, and what happens next is up to me. (cont.)
>>98454507The Tremere are pieces of shit for killing Golconda
>>98454563(cont.)>>He’s managed to turn over. He’s pleading with me. Begging. He’s saying, “I didn’t mean it. Please. I didn’t mean it.” He doesn’t really believe it, doesn’t believe who I am, even now. The ring in his nose has been ripped out, and the blood is running down over his mouth into his goatee. I hate him so much. I’m enjoying the feeling of breathing so much. My hands are flexing like claws. “I take it back,” he says, between sobs. “Please, I take it back. Please. Please don’t. You’re not faking. You’re real, you’re real. Just, please, please don’t. Please.”>I start to laugh. “You wanted the real deal. You want to see the Goddess? Here she is. And she’s hungry.”>The others, all around us, begin to sing. It’s not an old song but it sounds old.>Nobody who cares hears him screaming.
>>98454507Exactly. I was trying to avoid going too deep, but exactly that. A Tremere is SAFE with the Chantry & as long as you dont make yourself expendable they will circle the wagons to protect you. And the Chantry is the absolute best source of plot hooks for an ST. Want some plot to be discovered? Have an Elder give them some grunt work to look into some issue. Player wants to learn something? Well go here, do xyz & maybe ill take you on as apprentice. It frustrates me to no end that these people hate the Tremere for unironic reasons. Like, I can understand hating Tremere players who only want to play backstabbing dicks who want nothing to do with the Chantry & just want OP blood magic, but those players are ultimately no different than the V5 writers who also want blood magic & nothing to do with the Chantry. You can hate the Tremere for "in game" reasons & I will happily trade bants with Hermetics & Tzimisce, & ever kindred in-between. Its fun. But to hate them because of their culture, to just vehemently destroy them for "fascism" is asinine. These people cannot understand the Pyramid. Occasionally I get players who dont understand it either til I show them. Its why I say "those who get crushed by the Pyramid, deserve it"
>>98454564Looks like we got a three-eyed cocksucker, I mean soul sucker, here
>>98454547My major influences for rn are Hellraiser and Phantasm. I guess crime dramas leak in too, I watched a lot of Sopranos, Breaking Bad, and Better Call Saul. I love movies like Nightcrawler and Dusk Till Dawn. There's lots of fun stuff Phantasm might be where you get the Stephen King stuff from
>>98453914>serviceableI can live with that, for me what's really attractive is precisely all the depressing misery porn of confronting your mortality and how you deal with your own death that deviates into the more Gonzo elements>>98454026>i would recommend reading through the both arcanoi sections and decide which ones you like more That sounds fair, just a matter of deciding which sound more fun to mess around with and doesn't necessitate digging around in a gorillion supplements>suddently there is quite a bit of non soulforged material around and not just stuff like plasmic that people would need to venture out to farm no actual material Hm that DOES sound like it takes out a bit of the point of things and currency being valuable pieces of yourself/others or artifacts you find when exploring/bring with you upon death. Might have to cut that part.>think there might be more kote books than wraithDamn, that low is pretty bad. Fffffine, I'll give both a look over and pretend I don't see Dodge being a stat
>>98454600>And the Chantry is the absolute best source of plot hooks for an ST. Want some plot to be discovered? Have an Elder give them some grunt work to look into some issue. Player wants to learn something? Well go here, do xyz & maybe ill take you on as apprentice. Cool. Now can you please explain to me how all that isn't already covered by having a Sire, sect, or vampire population in the city in general?
>>98454364You know, I wonder if the real villains of this story are the girls that just want all the power with none of the responsibility. Never in history people like that ended up being good. People threat these like idiots, who they're psychopath. If they were vampires they would be one of the worse ones because they would be part of the burocracy will never doing any work themselves yet holding a lot of power and never being accountable for anything.Anyway, the Tremere are just the least fucked here. Other clans like toreador, ventrue have been forever forgotten at this point.
>>98454390Uhhh, you got a source for that claim, muttie?
>>98454722>Now can you please explain to me how all that isn't already covered by having a Sire, sect, or vampire population in the city in general?NTA, but trust. Not in the passive benevolent kind of way but in the hardline or-else sort of way. You can be fucked but always out in the open and by a set of rules because every lick in the Chantry can be monitored 24/7 and blood-bonded up to their eyeballs.
>>98454718>That image, funny how some memes tend to be so accurate. I had a few childhood friends who's houses had some of these and the smell was something I couldn't recognize that goes back around to basically being stale piss
>>98454730Women hate accountability.>>98454722Youre Sire may screw you over, but he wont screw over the Chantry. If you operate with that in mind you'll be fine. Theres a third party involved that wont tolerate him being weak or worthless any more than they would tolerate YOU being weak or worthless.Meanwhile other clans simply dont have that level of interconnected accountability. Another clan or sect has no real loyalty to itself multiple Clans & Sects fall to infighting & betrayal constantly. While an individual Tremere might be sacrificed upon its altar, the Pyramid endures. The only clans that come close to that kind of group loyalty are those that suffer exploitable issues like the Nosferatu.
>>98454458She's wielding a rather long sword there
>>98454836Penis envy
>>98454846I think it's more that the artist forgot to put an end to it, so it looks kinda odd
>>98454564>Waah waah waah muh golconda muh golcondaMore like gonorreah, m8. Golconda isn't fucking real. Never was and never will be. Saulot was a pedophile snake-oil salesman and nobody misses him.
>>98454437Fucking kek'd.
>>98454893>T. Tremere
>>98454973He's right though>t. Another Tremere
>>98454973Yes.
Tremere are a psyop, Saulot did 9/11
So i've been off down a historical wargaming groghole for months and only just heard about the new edition. Whats the issue this time? it almost sounds like they are erasing V5 and trying to bring back audiences put off by the attempt to shave all the edges off but then that could also be wishful think larping from the crowd upset the 1488 dice were removed.Whats your take on the new edition and its changes?
>>98455041You had actual magic but squandered it for immortality with the caveat of not being able to enjoy life.God you're dumb
>>98455091this time i think the rules are just too awful to play withthe vitae system is hillariously bad: vitae is also your hp+ disciplines cost their rank in vitae to use and we have 6+ disciplines again + you cant raise it to be above 10 + stamina in any way the new humanity system is also very weird with two meters that you can both fill and being too humane also weakens your character and turns them into a npcand some powers that used to just be discipline powers and merits are now clan locked
>>98455091Could be interesting but like the issue is they're clearly flailing around and not bringing back in the old creative who made these games so good. Like you can FIND THEM just don't get Brucato.
>>98455099Thanks for the avatar, sweatie!
>>98455099>he thinks I'm literally Lord Tremere?????
>>98455091I am starting to came around to it.Mainly because it shits on V5.That and it didn't feel terrible when I played a mock session with my ST.
>>98455091Check the archive of the last few days. Shits bad. Go away shill, there no reason to keep beating this dead on arrival horse
>>98455138I just think Tremere were profoundly stupid.
>>98455091>Whats your take on the new edition and its changes?I don't care about vampires, especially since Twilight.
>>98455138Not to mention that Tremere's magic was fading and he was dying. You can either become immortal and recoup your magical powers, or become a powerless muggle on his deathbed.
>>98455194>>98455099Being Tremere means being able to turn just about anyone into a sorcerer with access to the easiest, most prolific, & powerful fuel source for magic that exists. No awakenings needed. There are also avenues within the bounds of blood sorcery that allow you to usurp other powers as well. Will a Tremere ever find ascension? No. But how many hermetics ascend? There are also ways & means to mitigate the Kindred condition.
>>98455196Is that really worth it?
>>98455091>Whats your take on the new edition and its changes?I figure things are still going to be very subject to change so Im reserving any actual anger for the official release. So far I am just amused at how hard they back peddled from V5. I actually did like the Hecata though. Only issue was including the Nagaraja because they Tremere'd their way into vampirism by using Setite blood. Just one of those "one of these things is not like the other" bit.
>>98455231>T. TremereI'm onto you.
>>98455231Brb getting my amulet to the surface of the sun and some cool shades
>>98454269The fluffiness cannot persuade me
>>98455099>Not being able to enjoy lifeOf course not, but I'm able to enjoy unlife
This is your reminder that the Vienna Chantry and the Pyramid is canonically a crater.
>>98455414All according to plan, plans within plans within plans>t. totally not coping
>>98455414Not in my world of darkness
>>98455414I don't even play V5 but that's still canon in my WoD.
I once did a Lasombra who's technically factionless, and people keep throwing a fit about how he should be Blood Hunted, except he isn't breaking any Masquerade rules at all.
>>98454269You fleabags better get moving before we build another refinery on your caern.Speaking of, I just started looking into W20. Any other books you guys recommend besides W20 Book of the Wyrm and W20 Pentex Employee Handbook? Changing Breeds seems fun too as a new rug catalogue.
>>98455091All of V5 still happened. If you liked oWoD Carna or Theo Bell, they still changed, and are still different. The fluff advances are the worst of both worlds in that all the dumb lore of V5 happened, but the metaplot has progressed backwards, which triggers the hipster newfags.Mechanically, it's very D&D-like, with clan [feats] I mean [merits] that only focus on 2/3 of a clan's aspects. Gangrel lost Protean but Tzimisce gained "Tellurgy".
>>98455414V6 will fix it.No, it will explain how, who, why, or when, you will accept the nu-lore and be happy.
>>98455487Nice refinery, shame if we threw flying spiders at it from 2km awayThe Tribebooks are neat, but honestly W20's got most of what you need unless you want extra merits or special gifts like the Planetary gifts.
>>98454269Yeah, we need some suits to run a pest control, some mangy mutts are loitering in our thread.
>>98455458Also he badly mispronounces every single Vampire term."Fear me! I's one of da Lasagna."
>>98455599>Oh fuck it's a Ventinyl>Watch out for that Milkavian>Oh shit a Gangrene
>>98455487Hope you’re not gonna miss the equipment and formori you send our way because your precious refinery is never going to be built, wyrmspawnYou have to tap more into older stuff because w20 never got a “Lore of the Tribes” books like v20 and m20 did. The tribebooks as mentioned by>>98455522 are good, everything further depends on what kind of chronicle you’re going to run or what you’re more curious about
>>98455487Changing Ways
>>98455091I found a new motivation to read old books.
>>98455599That sounds like an amusing Flaw.>never trust those Tremors! But one did help the Brutals against those Sabbat Pandas!
>>98455414>This is your reminder that the Vienna Chantry and the Pyramid is canonically a crater.Did a Pyramid ever really need its capstone?
>>98455522>>98455543>>98455686>employers and woof beefing>stuck in some freehold with an enchanted collar around my neck that replaces all vocalizations with yappie barksArf arf arf! Arf arf! Arrrr-arf!>>98455487Im not sure if youre focusing only on W20 but Caerns Places of Power was an informative read
someone needs to stop oxymoron entertainmentmoon chaser is fucking gone
>>98455487Freak Legion is core reading material for any Pentex enjoyer. It will be your greatest defense against Gaian dogs.
How WOULD one go about establishing a local L.A.R.P.? More importantly, how do I properly screen out problem players when I may have autism?
How would I best represent the rough ideas from the movie "Hook" the one with Robin Williams, as events that befell a Changeling going Banal?
>>98455775He has ZERO idea of Vampire politics at all.He's from Maine ffs
>Clan of Change>Changes its core disciplines edition after editionPoetic.Seriously, though. What the fuck is Tellurgy?!
>>98455909Koldunism + Protean? but somehow the Ravnos have it
>>98455909Koldunism [alt flavor]
>>98455909>What the fuck is Tellurgy?!
>>98455599>>98455684>>98455775>What Timmy gonna do? Turn himself into a batman?... Ohshithedid, run...
>Clan of asspulls get four in-clan disciplines, instead of threeWhen will tzigger-glazing end?
>>98455831I'm not sure what you need. Could you specify a bit more?
>>98455983Vicissitude, Protean, & Auspex?Old Clan trades in Koldunism but thats it.
World of Darkness cross-overs are ridiculous! Don't do them.
>>98455983>Using a twisted connection to the natural world to manipulate it, curse the living, twist fate, and subvert the natural order to keep you and your allies safe.
>>98455775Tremore is the correct spelling of Trem*re though. The usurpers vill tremble in their gay little book clubs once retribution vill be dealt, mark my vords!
Is there actually a single recorded instance of the Garou killing low level wagies on intent?Like we meme it all to fuck but I feel like they more get those guys via collateral of attacking the systems they're fighting, and nobody in their right mind would care.Like, Woofs are fully aware they're fighting a system, but they get memed for not actually fighting 'the people that matter', even though no people matter, that's how systemic problems work.Do any Woof books cover them only ever hitting irrelevant targets? Have YOU ever run a Pack who will rip up the local maccies for selling wyrmburgers and feel righteous about it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bnFjAkAs_q4
>>98456092Why is it, that the supposed tyrants of the night that controlled everyone and everything with iron fleshcrafted fist got brutally molested by a bunch of failed ex-mages, Mr. Tzigger?
>>98455955A list of his many mispronunciations.Camarilla: Caramel-AyTremere: TremorsAntediluvian: Ant-Dill-UvulansVentrue: VentureRötschreck: Rot Shrek.Malkavians: Mach-a-MillionsRaynos: RhinosGangrel: GangreneBrujah: Brew-JawsToreador: TornadoTzimisce: Timmy-SkiSalubri: Salt BrineHecata: Heck-TataMasquerade: Mask-ParadeAutarkis: Art-Takis.Potence: PocusObtenebration: InebriationNosferatu: "Nose-Fer-ay-tutu." Why? "I watched dah movie."And funniest of all:Lasombra, the Clan he is technically a part of? He calls them, of all things, LASAGNA.This accidentally makes everything he says NOT a Masquerade violation because he’s basically saying complete gibberish. The Prince actually finds it fucking hilarious.
>>98453151This might be the best answer I've been given yet, tracking those down
>>98456119>VentureThe best cartoon
>>98456171The last season was kinda mid but the movie was awesome.
>>98456037Sorry, I was thinking of featuring the same plot to my players. A high Banal Peter Pan has forgotten who he is, but his kids have been kidnapped by the Autumn Person Captain Hook. The players will have to aid Peter in reducing his Banality & help him get his kids back.Im just not very familiar with the ins & out of Changeling lore. More mulling over the idea to see if its possible more than anything
>>98456197Oh, it is possible. Just check the Mega.
>>98456117Tremmies might've been the first to cut off their own cocks, but Tziggers can just fashion themselves new ones, if they want to.
>>98456226Etrius cut off his balls
Name one thing Noddists are wrong about.
>>98456316Those on the so-called Path of Caine claim to elevate Caine's (un)life as an example then immediately proceed to do the exact opposite e.g. worshipping, participating in debates, Diablerie, venerating a teacher, and many more things that are contrary to what their own texts say Caine was like.
>>98455783>where did he go? Doing pooka stuff be back later.
>>98456370>Moon Chaser's watermelon dealer is a ChangelingLupus are a security risk, let me tell you a packmate once got turned into a malamute for a week after he harassed the plug. Scary stuff
>>98456365Don't give me that horseshit, Caine sought out the Crone.
>>98455231Tremere Blood Magic is learned just like normal sorcery. You can turn anybody into a sorcerer with tutorship. I don't know if I would call Vitae better than Mana, considering you can recover Mana/Quint just by meditating at a Node.
>>98455522>>98455686Womp womp, let's see how your barbaric practices and tricks do after tasting the boot of civilization.Thanks, it was also sad to find out the Tribes didn't get their Tribebook compilation but I suppose it's not so bad and you just have to look into whichever looks interesting. Probably going with a Bone Gnawer Welder for my first PC to get my bearings of the setting before playing with Umbra stuff.>>98455712 Thanks, always good to have a bit more on the role-playing your splat content to know how they actually live and feel and how to make them more fleshed out beyond their build's stereotypes.>>98455779Somebody call the vet and neuter this one, I think it's about to go into rut. And great suggestion! This manual will better inform of all the exciting places to do some Biggering.>>98455792Excellent suggestion! I will have HR approve you a two hour break ticket and a muffin from the cafeteria.
>>98456171Dr Z was pure etherite kino
>>98454745>>98454824I don't care about the in character reasons why the Pyramid is good for quests and shit. I mean out of character, from the perspective of putting a game together, in what way is the Pyramid able to provide plot hooks, drama, rewards, etc. that is not already covered just by having a sire, sect, or vampire population in the city?In what way is>Your superior in the Pyramid wants you to go do x and you'd better do it or elsebetter than>The Sheriff wants you to go do x and you'd better do it or elseHow is>If you do xyz for your superior in the Pyramid he might teach you a new Thaumaturgy Path or ritualin any way better than>If you do xyz for that old Gangrel in the woods he might teach you a Discipline you don't know or a cool new combo discipline
>>98456431Look I fully agree that Sorcerers are cool as fuck & very powerful themselves. They can use just about all the same tricks as a Thaumaturge can. But it comes down to straight resources & the Kindred package is simply better than mortal. Do you have a node in your pocket? Because realistically theres no way for you to store vast amounts of mana, & access it quickly the way a vampire can. A vampire can store a lot of Vitae & it just gets better the higher Generation they go. They can drain enemies or thralls in the field, or bring a barrel full of tiny vitae infused beads. Hell, they can prep said barrel to be teleported via Translocation of thr Vessel/Apportation, so they dont even need to carry it with them. (Theres even more ways to access it too) Vampires also get access to Disciplines (yes Sorcerers can mimic 3 dots for a limited time, but its not nearly helpful as having 5+ dots that are always thereSadly Sorcerers are ultimately mortal so theyre weak to violence, & Sorcerers use Mana, not Vitae. Ultimately Vitae wins. Its just too abundant. As for the Vampire weaknesses, you can protect against the sun & fire, so those weaknesses arent that bad in the long run. Even Mummies are better Sorcerers than Sorcerers. If a Mummy could get Disciplines, they would rival Tremere as the GOAT.
>>98456510Anon the point is that it exists parallel to those things and may even sometimes run contrary to them. It allows some wiggle room for your players to debate and decide whose ass to kiss and which baskets they should place their proverbial eggs. Sire and sect is all fine and dandy but mostly confined to one city, barring the intervention of a Justicar. The Pyramid is bigger and has ties to a global network of occultists and specialists that no Prince ever could access on their own. It's like asking what the Nosferatu can offer their own versus what the local Ivory Tower can offer. There's just some things Nossies can get internally that aren't easily tradeable commodities. Same goes with the Chantry.
>>98456510The third party. Have you ever ran a military campaign or any game with people tied to an organization? The organization makes the rules, the players follow. A vampire not affiliated or beholden to an organization has the option to just fuck off. Your Sire breathing down your neck? The plot hook doesnt look enticing? Welp the player got bored & decided to sellout to the Sabbat/Anarchs, time to be murder hobos.
>>98456568You conflate elements of Blood Sorcery and Being A Tremere and Being a Vampire.>Being a vamp is better than a mortalSort of, yeah. But not without a lot of downsides, of course. Mortalkind wouldn't wipe out sorcerers if they found out. Probably. Neither do Sorcerers need to drink blood or shun the sun.>Not all Sorcerers have a Node&ResourcesAll Sorcerers which are part of an organization can be expected to have one. When you talk about a tremere you implicity assume the clan-structure exists, including a chantry. This is a pre-requisite for learning sorcery efficiently, either way. So yes, we can assume the equivalent sorcerer to be with an organization that provides them a node and resources. How many resources and how accessible these are depends on the Org.>Vitae can be prepped&stored via rituals and itemsYes. So can Mana, via sorcery rituals and items. An example is the classic mana potion, or an energy drink.Generally speaking, I'd say that Sorcerers are better at magic than Tremere as I find their suggested rituals to be far scarier and more versatile than what Paths generally allow. On the other hand, a Tremere is far more dangerous than a Sorcerer, especially at the footsoldier level. Disciplines and Vampiric advantages are no joke - but at this point you might as well be any other type of Vampire..
>>98456639>Disciplines and Vampiric advantages are no joke - but at this point you might as well be any other type of Vampire..If you can't solve a problem with some combination of Dominate, Auspex, or Blood Sorcery I don't know what you're doing with your unlife.
>>98456639Im not saying sorcerers arent awesome, but whatever a a sorcerer can do a Thaumaturge can do, usually cheaper & faster. So a Thaumaturge ends up being Sorcerer+
Daily reminder the Syndicate sucks.
>>98456699*fucks
>>98456722(children)
>>98456699You say that like we give a shit what the poors think
>>98456698Like I said, Sorcery Paths are a lot more powerful than the equivalent Thaumathurgy Path. So it's really that Blood Sorcery is Sorcery-. Comparing Sorcery Alchemy to Thaumathurgy leaves Thaumathurgy looking quite impotent, the same with comparing Path of Hellfire vs Lure of Flames or Elemental Summoning vs Summoning/Binding/Warding.
>>98456699Superstitionist or animal, call it
>>98456791No, youre cherry picking. Path of Blood is fantastic, Path of Conjuring is better by miles, Haven rituals, etc. & Thaumaturges can learn Hellfire & S/W/B so yeah theybare just Sorcerers with the bonus of being Vampires
why does this place fellate Sorcerers so much
>>98456771I know, I know, "let Sleepers deal in the real world." Your top guy was pretty clear on that.
>>98456849This place fellates any obscure oWoD splat nobody actually played.
>>98456813>Vamps can learn mortal sorceryEhhh, big "maybe". Some books say "no", the sorcery book says "ask your ST", some books say "you may use these paths with this merit". Also Sorcerers can learn Blood Magic that's not Path of Blood.>Thaumaturgy is better, actually!If I had to pick having Path of Blood 5 AND Path of Conjuring 5 vs S/W/B OR Alchemy OR Enchantment 5, I'd pick the Sorc Paths. There's some stinkier Sorc Paths and some better Vamp Paths, yes. But generally speaking a Sorc Path is just a combination of like 3+ different vamp paths.>Bonus of being VampPersonally I would prefer being mortal, as aside from being harder to kill and immortal, Vampirism is pretty much all downsides. It's a curse with upsides that mostly let you deal with the fact you are accursed. Your emotions deaden, you can't eat, you can't go out into the sun, you have to drink blood, you have to deal with Vampire faggotry, fire fucks you over.. It's just bad, bad bad. It's pretty much only good for combat.Admittedly, being hard to kill and immortal to boot is nice, but hardly worth it. I'd rather much use my sorcery to extend my lifespan somehow and retain my mortality. It's not like I want to fight anybody, that'd be retarded.
>>98456887[Sad hsien noises]
I was told by an old 1e writer for Changeling: The Lost that the True Fae are jokingly meant to behave like Fujoshi. It was an inside joke. Always shipping mortals in unnecessarily dramatic narratives so they can blush and rub their cheeks together in joy.
>>98456849>>98456887Where is the Fomori fellation then?
On the one hand, that makes sense. On the other, it seems like bait.
>>98456912Brilliant. A true fae obsessed with boys love would be fucking hilarious."Why do I suddenly have abs and an amazing face?""Just go with it" *grinds*"NO WTF STOP"
>>98456912>>98456912>>98456925>>98456929It makes complete sense honestly
>>98456912Yes..? Isn't that how they are consistently characterized? An obsession with drama, stories and narrative is very fae.
>>98456896Oh if it was a PERSONAL choice I would 100% choose Sorcerer or Mummy. No way would i want to live as some faggot vampire. But if we are talking white room bullshit, then yeah they come out on top
>>98456946An obsession with drama, stories and narrative is very fujo
>>98456951>white room bullshitonly if the white room bullshit is "fight to the death" and not "solve this mysterious problem".
>>98456849Because wizards without paradox is badass>>98456924Bakeslave?>>98456929Isnt there a Lost Kith that has overly developed hands?
changeling is the cute boy splat tbqh
>>98456929Don't forget the supermassive hands
>>98456964Damn you lol. I was gonna say Bakeslave.
>>98456964>wizards without paradoxis this what Sorcerers actually believe lol
>>98456896>Ehhh, big "maybe". Some books say "no", the sorcery book says "ask your ST", some books say "you may use these paths with this merit". Also Sorcerers can learn Blood Magic that's not Path of Blood.Like most of WoD shit is inconsistent. Think vampires with mortal sorcery should be a thing but I see why most people would rather avoid the problems that brings.
>>98456912Good thing I'm playing the ugliest, most unfuckable Changeling possible right now.
To those familiar with CofD, what would be the best way to make a mortal that makes monster minions?
>>98456912And people think Lost isn’t the one for faggots.
>>98457056..Are mages mortals?
>>98457056>what would be the best way to make a mortal that makes monster minions?Depends on the exact type of monster minion, but the first thing that came to mind were Insatiate Alchemists from Promethean. Their skillset is perfect for augmenting mortal minions with their alchemy as well as making Pandorans to use as mindless attack dogs.
>>98457081Oh right, they can also make small armies of mindlessly loyal clone soldiers if that's your jam too.
>>98457069I could use the Proximi but that really begs the question of "why would you focus on that?">>98457081> Insatiate Alchemists from PrometheanThat sounds like a solid option, are they in the core book or is there another book about them?
>>98457102Oh shit that sounds pretty cool.
>>98456097>Is there actually a single recorded instance of the Garou killing low level wagies on intent?There is one Bone Gnawer who killed the staff of fast food restaurant because those were easy to dismiss. That NPC was experimenting with cybernetics and later became a BSD.Besides no, any time the garou end up killing civilians they are BSDs or it was some first change scenario.
unseelie be likehttps://youtu.be/y7Ltk2qjhWM
>Red Talon gf sending me to the hardware store to get fertilizer after lecturing to me how the town hydroelectric dam is actually empowering the wyrm
>>98456912Holy shit it makes too much sense
>>98456699I never got why golf of all fucking sports gets so much land dedicated to it.
how much soak do you need in dark ages to spend the least amount vitae to recover? Or are you suppose to do everything you can not to get hit?Literally, it looks like protean 2 can pretty much force you to spend vitae to recover per day
>>98457105>>98457109Promethean 2e core. I think there's supplements that expand on their capabilities, plus there's always the blue books with their splat-agnostic powers.
>>98457238Because it is a status symbol and you need a long ass corse to show off any real skill in the game.
>>98457241Thanks bud, I will take a loot at how that works to see if it fits what I am going for
>>98457240Just spec Arcane and Obtenebration & Fortitude at three can give you shadow armor. So not only can you just hit them, jump into a shadow so they forget you, rinse & repeat. Itd be like fighting Skyrim NPCs. Plus if you had to stand & fight youd be getting Obtenebration+Fortitude+Stamina, add in some Necromancy if you want.Or use ranged Do maneuvers with instant kill & Arcane. Or somehow aquire King Arthur's Scabbard (Changeling Treasure), use Hellfire Sorcery or Demon Investure to make yourself immune to Fire & Cold damage, & either deal with what little bashing damage that could be a threat to you, or take a Demon Investure/Hardening Sign of Geb to be completely immune to Bashing. This will make you immune to Agg, Lethal, & Bashing. There might be something rather obscure that could kill you, mortals would need to worry about suffication/drowning, but for the most part youre immortal. Just dont drop the scabbard. Maybe convince your ST to make a ring or bracelet or tattoo with the same effect?
>>98456896>some books say "you may use these paths with this merit".the rune wise merit is written so cumbersomely the merit MIGHT refer to the ability to power these mortal sorcery paths with blood instead of mana instead of being what let's you learn those paths in the first place ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's also admits that it's overpriced just for the rarity. wolves of the sea is not a very good bookthere are also the MET books that has a crossover section that it claims to work also for the tabletop where it say that you can convert both sorcery and heaku into blood sorcery at a 3xp cost just like foreign blood sorcerer paths but i think it predated the revised blood sorcery book where the more commonly known version of that rule comes from>>98455909Tellurgy seems to be nature magic from the flavor text presumably mixed with chimerstry given that the ravnos have it
>>98457360I appreciate the advice you've given, but Obtenebration is only for the Lasombra and unfortunately I was trying to figure out how to survive clanless speaking. I think you can learn thamaturge from the Tremere but they do bullcrap like it's major boon or life boon in order to get it.Changeling Treasures, Sorcerer book, and high level Daimonion also isn't really possible unless you count that one merit where you made a deal with a demon and the gm has the right to ruin your life later for your hubris.If you have more advice please feel free to give it, but perhaps something with a restrictive gm? Like the type that'd probably tell a caitiff you can only take physical disciplines or ban any bloodline specific disciplines or other nerfing stuff.
>>98456896>Vamps can learn mortal sorceryWho are you quoting? Because not really. They can, obviously, learn it, but they need to turn sorcery into blood magic to use it. One can clearly relate to the other and be fueled by Vitae.>Vampirism is pretty much all downsides.Oh I see, you're just baiting. Nevermind.
>>98457231Anon... she's using as bait for the feds...
Does everything related to the Camarilla in V20 need to be played through 7 layers of irony, or can I deploy a Prince who is competent, rational, and even dangerously empathic towards (but still subtly manipulating) my PCs?
>>98457470>ironyI thought the anons here said V20 was le good edition? What happened?
>>98457464>"Haha wow that's so based and redtalonpilled but did you remember to buy the fertilizer??"
>>98457470This is like asking if a player absolutely NEEDS to play a Malvalkian like a fishmalk
>>98457470You can do whatever you want, ultimately though if you want a big bad who's badder than the Prince you're going to have to allow for the Prince to be incompetent enough to be manipulated. IMO>Street Level more emotional gamePrince should be competent unless he's some sort of antagonist against the PCs, in which case some irony is good>Camarilla higher level gameShould make him a LaCroix expy for the best experience, a mix of competent and incompetent>Higher than that, continental/global/elder killingShould allow the prince to be more obviously incompetent
>>98457238It's a leasurly stroll & ride across manicured hills and valleys where you'll only meet other rich people.It's just a big park, but you don't need to worry about the poors.
>>98456688Dominate, Auspex, and Obfuscate has to be the best combination of Disciplines, objectively, in a purely meta/narrative/real-world sense. Blood Magic isn't really a discipline and comes with a lot of baggage.
Do you have any art of your characters you've done for shits and giggles?
>>98457431Fortitude is the simple straight forward way. Also wearing armor. If youre not allowed special Disciplines then theres not really much else you can do to protect yourself. But more than using Fortitude in defense, Celerity ends fights before you get hurt.
>>98457470>or can I deploy a Prince who is competent, rational, and even dangerously empathic towards (but still subtly manipulating) my PCs?Absolutely. The only hurdle you have there is that stable princes require the plot to not revolve around them. The threat is either beneath their notice, above their paygrade, or something even a competent Prince would otherwise not notice. The alternative is that the Prince is aware of the threat to a limited capacity, and serves as the PC's quest giver, rewarding them with station, resources, and territory in exchange for their service. Played in a game where our first Prince was an unstable, short sighted, but dastardly manipulative vampire we had to depose. And the second was a stable and competent Prince (as well as my PC's adoptive sire), so naturally the plot shifted from climbing to playing defense for "our city". It can definitely work under the right circumstances.
>>98457494Entirely too much. Shitty MSpaint memes are a staple of our table.
NEED to fuck a Galestalker bitch
>>98457238>>98457486Pretty much, it's important to understand how much the rich are willing to spend and do to avoid the poors.
>>98457561...There are a million more fun things you could do
>>98457480>>98457509I'm incredibly uninspired, so the setting is roughly late-summer/early-autumn in 2004 and the threat is supposed to be a low-gen Malkavian LARPing as Caine as the Final Nights get closer, which is throwing Savannah, Georgia into a fervor even beyond acting as a Camarilla sanctuary against the Sabbat in Atlanta. Other problems is the growing state of unrest in the Anarchs as the Red Question circulates, and infrequent, but dangerous, incursions of the Sabbat from Atlanta. With all of that going on, I really want a stable, level-headed Camarilla leader, but I don't want them to be "good" or "noble". Rather, I simply want them to be incredibly competent, and actively using the PCs as resources necessary to keep Savannah under Camarilla control without ceding territory to the Anarchs or the Sabbat, and without losing more members as paranoia about Caine starts to take hold.
>>98457566It’s not about fun. It’s about sending a message.Mini-golf is the fun one, however thoughbeit.
>>98457470>Does everything related to the Camarilla in V20 need to be played through 7 layers of ironyI have no idea what gave you that idea.>can I deploy a Prince who is competent, rationalI think most do...?>even dangerously empathic towards (but still subtly manipulating) my PCsYou do you, all characters are different, and everyone does the manipulation part anyway.The real twist would be if there'd be a prince that *wasn't* trying to screw the players over. It's a twist I intend to make real.
>>98457494Aside from slop 'art' for a hunter game that died in the womb, no. I normally just browse images until I find something I find suitable.On the topic of art for your characters. I was picture hunting and came across a picture that was in the same style of my official picture I use for Bakeslave. Come to find out its someone's OC named Judy. So I looked more into it and found about a dozen more pics. Im actually pretty gitty even though right now he is currently a blonde neko.
>>98457566Anon, it's ENTIRELY about avoiding the poor. That's why they have country clubs
>>98457573That seems good, but you'll have the type of Cam guy who's more worried about his subjects than actually going after the problem I think. This is good though, as it leaves the meat of the problem solving to the PCs with occasional backup from the Prince
>>98457573My utilitarian solution then?Prince is a Ventrue. Old, but not so old he/she's gotten used to power tripping and always getting their way. 250-500 is a good range, can go as high as 1000 if the power level is pretty high. You've got a clan that trains even its neonates for leadership and selects them from those with experience/talent for it. Not to mention deep roots within the Camarilla. Best for what you're looking for, Ventrue broadly encourage Humanity, but also don't have any serious commitment to morals. Oh sure some wax poetic about Noblesse Oblige, but that's just a good strategy for staying in power, which is the actual hard part. Any brute can seize power. Amoral, understands the value of internal cooperation as well as ruthless competition against foes, well versed in the nuances of politics, and hasn't reached the pinnacle of power that can unmake Ventrue via complacency.
Have any of your characters found genuine happiness? Im not saying a happy ever after, but just something in their lives that doesnt suck, & doesnt bloom just to be taken away?
How would you build him? A powerful (Jenova) fomor with some Progenitor genegineering thrown in for good measure?
>>98457646I had a player whose Gangrel became enamored with the sensation of indoor skydiving. Does that count?
>>98457658>fomorThat guy's basically got an Earthbound shoved into him
>>98457032If we're gonna have vampires with mortal sorcery then that also opens up every other splat having access to mortal sorcery. But then, why not just play a sorcerer? Like, I get if you wanted to use regular sorcery instead of blood sorcery. Totally understandable, but not both at the same time.
>>98457658can you make a fomori out of a nexus crawlers? even then that might be too lowjenova is in kinda a awkward spot in wod powerwise the wyrm (or other evil foces) doesn't really have minions that regularly wipe out planets but the wyrm itselff or even celestials would be too high for her
>>98457231>Red Talon gfWhy is it always a fucking Metis
>>98457713>If we're gonna have vampires with mortal sorcery then that also opens up every other splat having access to mortal sorcery.that was the original idea behind numina when introducedhedge magic was originally introduced together with true faith as something everyone could in theory have, but they fleshed out sorcery along the lines and threw out widely inconsistent statements about sorcery and splats and sorcery and blood sorcery
>>98457718Why would an RT ever date a h00man if they aren't a freak already?
>>98457801Human supremacy. There's a reason actual wolves are skittish around people after all, we genocided the fuck out of them. It's a wonder Red Talons don't suffer a reverse Delirium with humans that stand their ground
>>98457801human-weabo is one of their premade characters in their tribe book so it should be decently common in the tribe
>>98457839>You see a human, roll Rage>You see a human, roll Rage>You see a human with a gun, roll Rage at -2 diff
Your eye will grow back in a day, suspect
>>98457847>You see a human with a big gun, roll Rage at -4 diff>You see a human who wears a fellow Garou's skin, then turns into a Garou, shit your ass
>>98457494Yep. Sure do. Tons and tons. Even post some of it here too. :p
