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That's gross.
>forge tyrants equipment list is limited to whats in the box>goliath house gang list lacks weapon and equipment options that the forge tyrants have (e.g auto-medicae, heavy stubber, ignition cannon)>other shit like rock saws being forge-born onlyyep, it's over, the 40kification of necromunda has begun
>>98466427I am really bummed out to see how it is just set teams again now.
>>98466427Really bizarre since Van Saar get the tek-hunters equipment in their list. Makes it pretty obvious they're gonna try to force people to buy the new House of Blades/House of Chains to use the BotM/FT gear in their gangs.Necromunda at least has one over 40k in that Arbitrators are clearly empowered to say "No, that's retarded" and free up the equipment.
Given where it looks like Necromunda will be headed (at least for the foreseeable future) with the overpriced gang supplements, does anyone have Halls of the Ancients, Tribes of the Wastelands, and Bastions of Law kicking around?Wanted to make sure that I have a complete collection, and those have been weirdly difficult to find.
>>98466514i'm fairly certain HoB will only include equipment options for the respective gang variants in the bookexcluding say maybe, experimental chemsso you'll get them but not say, the venom claw for non-death maidens in your regular gang because the new kit is for a different gang variant (I assume)
>>98466563the AJ's for TOW contained stuff for standard army lists, not just the special ones found in that book, so it's likely the same will apply here as well
>>98466324>Webbed nerfed to uselessnessWelp, guess I'll be another retard spamming Corpsegrinders or T5 Goliaths next time my LGS runs a league. Heaven forbid a non-retard use a finesse army to beat one of the poster boy armies of a GW game.
>>98467089whats it do now?
>>98466427I kinda don't like gang detachments, specialists seems like it'll just end up like KT2018.>>98467091Nta but can't move and -1 BS I think.
Prospects are so dogshit in nu-nucromunda that the only viable weapon for them is the combat shotgun and if you don't have it on your gang list, best thing you want to do is have them on the bench for a bunch of game and hope they got a combat skill boost from the RNG level up, or you just wait until you bought the combat shotgun from TP.
>>98466324>conversionHere is my vampire squad.
>>98467530I personally do not think a prospect is worth paying for a combat shotgun for.
>>98467089Webbed was very oppressive, I’m glad it got nerfed. Its just okay now, not being able to move is still pretty bad for most gangers depending on circumstance.
>>98468294For 5 more credit you buy the flamer, which most gang have, so you don't have to spend 4 TP to get a web gun that do no damage.
>>98466324>TQNever finished his base, but made a Krieger Thrax-inspired gladiator for fun, not sure what Id ever use him as or if he'll ever see a table>>98467742Nice cloaking effect lad
>>98468339Didn't they get rid of blaze?
>>98468764Blaze caused extra hit on a 5+ wound, but even without blaze proc, dealing damage is better than not. Web most useful application (for trolling) is against exclusively melee fighters like Corspe Grinder, who already got shitcan by almost every gang in this edition.
>>98468809I just liked the extra annoying part of blaze, made my cawdor guys pretty scary when there's a solid chance your guy won't be doing shit on his activation. An extra hit is okay too I guess? Seems very 40k-esque.
>>98468764>>98468764Its also been nerfed. One of the few changes I’m not a fan of personally since running around being on fire was very flavorful. Now it just does extra damage.On the flipside insanity got way more fun. Seems there’s an overall power level decrease which is alright with me.
>>98468454KINO model
>>98468825I wonder if power levels will shift heavily once the community gets ahold of the rules; Necromunda is easy to break and I've been in groups where you have one guy that runs away with it and kills the whole thing. I do like the insanity table though, and I like that model characteristics factor into some things.Maybe we're one edition away from [Sustained Hits] and shit.
>>98468832Cheese will always be there. Van Saar already looking like they're top tier against with better lasgun, refraction cloak still broken, Green Goblin are really just Wrecker but didn't suck. Archeotek are cheap af with 4+ save, and of course : shield. They even removed and merged the ground arachni-rig and wasteland arachni-righ into one profile, that allow you to go 4 arms full meme-lee build with it, yeah but you had to find the arms elsewhere because the kit didn't come with 4 arms.
>>98468908the kit comes with like 30 arms
>>98466427so it seems like the new gang variants act like van saar tek hunters, so you can field them in your house gange.g I could field a goliath house gang and some of my models can be the forge tyrants gangers rather than the standard ones, they'd have access to the forge tyrants equipment list but not the standard gang list
>>98469011All "ganger" of old edition are specialists in new edition, and at recruit you picked one of the archetype that grant them the skills. If you want a "normal" ganger that had nothing then pick one with completely useless skill like Scout, whose skill has them climb better than normal.
>>98466324Here's my not GW plastic Orrus painted to be Smasher and yes the base is supposed to be Rebecca. Hoping they didn't get mega nerfed also hoping Malstrain is a 'real' gang this time and not forced to be the corrupted gang again
>>98469205Your orrus can move the arm to the front, which is already better than the slop orrus made by GW.
>>98468908Just getting a straight up bonus to one of the most reliable, solid weapons from the onset is pretty crazy to me but ah well.
>>98467530I can see them being useful for stand in circles shit do to having +1M and I over the default gangers. Of course what'd really make them work is changes to chain activation so both models finish their charge before they start attacking so you get the +1/-1 like in N95. I know for Fallout Factions I'm planning on spamming Good Boys to give my Sluggers bonus dice on the charge.
>>98469077Lol, guess the one difference between escher juves and wyld runners...
>>98469282A gunner specialist with hip shooting gonna be dashing (move + init) and shooting so they'll be faster than prospects.The reason you want these cheapo dead weights into your gang is to squeeze in more champs at start, with 2W and damage (2) weapon being really rare the champs are more valuable than the specialists. It just suck that their (non-meme) build variety are completely trash and monotonous now, being tied to Template weapons.
Anyone know where to find all the old material for Shadow War Armageddon?
>>98469421I'm gonna miss my dual laspistol subteks.
>>98469510https://files.catbox.moe/hlcyk4.pdfThe one not on the rulebook are the one man army stuffs which are just dumb mock battle with Sly Marbo and Eversor, you can found it on Yaktribe.
>>98469520Green goblin has gunfighter. And having shooting primary you can just turn any champ into dual pistols cowboy. If the meme aligned they might bring back the combi las/plasma in the champ kit, but this time as a plasma pistol so you can dual wield it and do 4 shots.
>>98467530You're just dumb, Kurwa Kowalski. Bad at games."Juve" tier prospects will gain a rank per game for their first three games. You have an 80%+ chance of getting a WS/BS advance out of that, which makes them fight as effectively as a ganger. If you botch the rolls you still have a 97% chance of getting at least an M advance, which is always useful.And the juves are so cheap it's totally within reason to release one or two that don't get good advances, even though you're extremely statistically likely to get at least one good advance
>>98468908Enforcers will be top tier. Possibly Malstrain Corrupted for 1-2 Genestealer friends and the best Wyrd list in the game.The Archni-rigs were not merged. If you read the main rulebook it uses the standard Arachni-rig as an example for subtypes, describing it as having the Loner subtype (which the AW rig does not)
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>>98469724You: Juves are unusable in Nunucromunda. I'm going to give them an expensive assault weapon.Me: actually, here's what ur supposed to doYou: Jank yeh kapitan obvietsz
>>98469754What are you supposed to do the turn they're 5+/5+ captain?
>everyone hates the new editionAs a Nomads enjoyer, fuck you all it’s great.
>>98468908Focusing crystals got much worse so I don’t think the Van Saar bonus is all that.
>>98469702>Kurwa KowalskiThere's a name I haven't heard in a while. Had a good chuckle.
>>98469805whats the nomads rules like?
Do you guys ever stop whining?
>>98469865They're really good. There's a prospects who comes with infiltrate and 2A base for 45 credits. Yeah he's WS 5+ but prospects earn XP fast and you can easy give him 3 or 4 attacks. And your starting bonus lets you swap the position of any two fighters (including brutes but they will nerf this) after infiltrate but before the game starts.
>>98469721>Enforcers will be top tier.How so?
>>98469904how do you know the rules? is there an outlands book leak yet? if not I assume a youtube video going over the gangs? (can you link it?)
>>98469929Nta but their army rule is supposedly free group activations for all of their guys.>>98470018Lots of stuff leaked or was otherwise shown off.
>>98470031rulebook and underhive gang book was leaked here, but I havent seen an outlands book leak yetcan you point me in the right direction?
>>98470040It wasn't leaked here, i gathered the gangs rule from reddit, But all leaks from reddit were nuked now, so it's all telegram/discord shit now which i'm not part of.
>>98470044did you have them saved? just wanna see what GSC have/do
>>98470158>>98462132
>>98470203my only issue is the >d/BJ58kvtheres no context for itI assume mario 64?
>>98470251no wait its the other sidehowever, no outlands gangs on it, I know of this pdf
>>98470251It's gofile, there're no genestealer cult on it.There're about 10 hours left before everything got previewed on troonhammer and youtube, so just wait.
>>98470257*site
>>98470262Content creators seem to only have received the starter box and the review embargo for that was last Saturday.
>>98470400Just be patient, all will be revealed in time. If you want to play Necromunda, you will be waiting, alot. All the journals gonna take years to get all the releases for example.
It's really weird seeing people post about the Necromunda stuff and I don't get it, people seem to be happy that gangs are pretty much going to be the same on top of all of them getting the same access to equipment. They also go on saying that all of the extra books would be 'optional' but it seems like playing with base, index stuff in any GW game is a surefire way to get frustrated.
>>98470467Gangs don't have access to the same equipments, gang have exclusive equipments, and access to rare equipments. Rare equipments cost TP from the trading post per purchase, so it's hard to mass buy rare items out of your gang list even if you got lots of credit, which is a lot easier to earn now. Journals are not optionals, But I think GW is keeping true to their words that the big books won't be obsolete by simply... omitting information from the big books , so you have to cross reference from 2,3,... books to get a complete list.
>>98470625Right back to the same style of bloat in that case. I guess if it's actually a good edition, I can pray the anemic, 40 page journal won't be $50-$60.
>>98470632The bloat already existed right now with stuff from the starter set not appearing in the gang books. If the journal also didn't include it you'll need to use 3 books to have a full gang list.
So whats the verdict (I have never played necromunda). Did they Horus heresy the game and dumb it down? Or did it retain its crunch/depth?
>>98470722they lied about reducing the book spamthe rules got /stream lined/Its not so bad, its still recognizable as necromunda, but it is moving towards 40kThe part that shocked me the most was leaving in the arbitrators
Do you actually plan on buying the books? Be honest.
>>98470737Being campaign focused necromunda needs an arbitrator if only to actually organize games. Its impossible to remove without destroying the game
>>98470722Not yet, not until a few journal releases, which might take 1 year.Vehicles got gutted/simplified, but it was never a favorite in previous ed due to it being a huge time sink, and not enough releases to drive interest.If you were one of those complain that hobos in the Underhive got too many good shits, this edition solved it with rule, guns are really crappy now and malfunction after almost every shot.As for depth the game has always been an immersive game but the gameplay are rather simple move>take cover> attack, and the most tactical thing to do is dropping a smoke, this edition there will be medics running around healing people, ammo runts helping people reloading, and other shenanigans who know, and the smoke also got nerfed.
>>98470722Most of what I've seen in terms of actual analysis from some of the less shill-y creators is that a lot of stuff has changed, but hasn't necessarily gotten simpler.Stuff like Blaze got weaker but also all of the things that have it got cheaper, skills got changed a lot (especially in who gets them), Heavy weapons and ammo checks are now almost completely different, things like that.On the other hand, as mentioned, the book spam is likely going to get worse with having all of the little books instead of the smaller big ones. All of the rules in the current likely round of clan books were deliberately held back just to sell back to people, and the fact that they committed to this kind of monetization before the edition even released is not a good sign.Overall, most of the kneejerking about it being dumbed down seems to be incorrect just in the sense that because so much changed that it's hard to say without actual play experience, and the only people with the complete rules in hand are a handful of Youtubers as of yet.I'm withholding judgement until I can play a game or three and decide for myself, but I also have no intention of forking over $100+ just yet simply to get all of the rules for my gangs back until I decide it's actually worth it cause my old PDFs aren't going anywhere.
>>98470757if the journal is >= $30 then yes. ill pitch my 1/6 for the core book for my play group. we are just waiting to see the journal price. if they want 40 or more, the money grubbing is too bad and we won't. worse than the old edition at that point>>98470765you can't replace it well, but you can replace it with a deck of cards and premade scenarios or some other dog shit GW could attempt to sell you. when the game was rebranding to warhammer necromunda skirmish(tm) I was very pessimistic that this would be kill team with the ability to buy guns. glad to see its not
>>98470737>>98470806>>98470818Thanks for the feedback lads. I will continue in „ wait and see „ posture for now.
>>98470806How much you wanna bet we never get custom vehicles back now that people might actually want to take vehicles?Not seeing any reason to spend cash on kitbashing a 70 dollar GW kit when 12 bucks gets me a 1/60 scale APC from China.
>>98470938unless they went full Gasland with the vehicles stuff it's best to just let it die and be some kind of novelty narrative stuffs. It's not even hard to write one, but knowing the team they're too lazy for anything like that.
>>98470806>If you were one of those complain that hobos in the Underhive got too many good shits, this edition solved it with rule, guns are really crappy now and malfunction after almost every shot.This will last up until the Van Saar book gives them a Tech skill that gives Plasma and Melta Reliable.
>>98470954reliable would be useless on melta since it only discard the first out of ammo from firepower dice.The crappy weapon thingy could open door for weapon smithing, improve weapon quality, master crafted and the like......
I do kinda like nunecromunda making so many special weapons unreliable. The game is crackhead wars not killteam mini
>Necromunda rulesNew brofile link for new Necromunda rules (transcribed editions)Now includes all gang rosters!gofile dot io/d/PsMMzkShould make it much easier for anyone who wants to actually try playing while we wait a month or more for scans
>>98470722I like what they did to actions. No more simple or basic actions, just single or double and you can't repeat the same one. They very slightly simplified shooting in the sense that the only to-hit modifier is from aimed shot, and cover now modifies your save. Falling damage is oversimplified now, 6"+ and you're out of action. A lot of weapons don't do ammo checks and I think that's a good thing. Vehicles are streamlined, and I'm not sure about them but the rules were a mess before and this isn't worse.Close combat isn't necessarily simpler but it is better. My only complaint right now is releasing a journal before we've had the time to play a campaign or two. Let us get bored of the regular Escher list before giving us gimmicky ones. I player Escher and I'm just going to ignore that it exists for 6 months. As a game gets old I kind of like rules bloat - gives you new things to try - but this timing is dumb.
>>98469929Subjugators have a native 4+ save, turned into a 3+ by a shield. They will be incredibly tough to shoot out of cover.>>98471594You're literally describing the removal of "crunch"Weapons were massively simplified, not slightly simplified. They use to have all kinds of niches, optimal ranges, stats and effects. Now they're very uniform and everything will feel the same to use.The Actions changes are good but not having a Prone condition is bad.The ammo/reload changes are meh. Not having to roll for staple weapons is good. The Ammo(X+) rule is half baked. They did not really tone down powerful weapons, they just changed the way they're used. Now models will stand, shoot, rack a new shot, shoot, etc. Its going to be less dynamic and more gunline-y
>>98471514AIIEEEI FUCKING KNEEL ANON
>>98471514360 degree vision? dont think i like thati get it makes things simpler but...
will there be palanite or ash waste nomad hive crews ever
>>98471865scumracer
>TQI pray my venators are still legal
>>98472461What are the legs on the ogryn-bot?I've had a couple of unbuilt kastelans sitting around for 10+ years, may as well turn them into generic Necromunda Big Guys at this point. But i dont like their gangly, upright man-legs either
>>98472827they're off the palanite robot but with the feet reversedthe kastelan really is worse than the sum of its parts; it has some interesting bits but all of them together looks awful
>>98472461Probably. But it seems if you have a house gang with all sorts of rare shit to start, that will probably not be legal and even deep campaign will be hard to get
>>98471514Splendid work, anon.But the Ashwing is missing text.
>>98471664Free group activations whenever you want them is also just pretty good. But the enforcer weapon pool is a bit weak.
>>98470031>>98473081All leaders and champions already get free group activations, so their ability only applies to their gangers and prospects. You also need to succeed at a leadership check, and they have 6 and 5 respectively. The ability sucks.
>>98473229Is that you Kurwa Kowalski? If not, (You) accidentally nailed his ult (attempting to opinionatively correct someone but only being 75 to 85 percent correct).The first Group Activation order/target is automatic and does not require a Ld test. It is only the second and subsequent orders that require one.To the other anon, I don't think the Enforcer armoury is that weak. Boltguns are still generally good, heavy stubbers seem good, and Cuckjugator grenade launcher spam would be OP.
>>98471514Thank you anon. This is a great help.It is missing some credit cost on the gsc equipment list, just so you know.
>>98466324>Kitbashes I have to finish Old Snake, then take a family photo of the MC Crew.>>98472461Cool dudes!
I am a bit mystified at the fact that Goliath have the same strength score as other gangers. Isn't being strong their thing? I'm also going to miss genesmithing.
I don't lime the third arm on GSC because I feel like I have to represent it
>>98473454>Getting a small bonus to save costs hugely more than getting a bonus to AP.Someone should have told them they were remaking Necromunda and not Mordheim.
maybe I should run my GSC as malstrainbit silly GSC don't get genestealers, even if its just the one, but malstrain domy GSC guys are all armed correctly so all i'd need to do is just get some genestealers for it, although my aberrant and ambot will have to be benchedshould I?
>>98473569Huh, did they nerf Goliaths?My buddy won't be happy.He's been yawping about wanting me to run Necromunda again (aka, do all the work for him) and I'm frankly too busy with Quar right now, and that faggot never wants to play the thing that I'm actually doing at that moment.Are their gangers down to str 3?Because that alone will probably put him off.
>>98473783they're S3 but get +1 S on the charge
>>98473784He won't like that.I take it they also nerfed leap-up though.Shit was busted on my Eschers.I got it on everybody.
>>98473783Paired pulverizer axes, previously Stimmer exclusive, now available to everyone, that's a nice buff. Krumper Cannon is also cheaper and can dash + fire, but lose the strong profile. Assault grenade launchers are still Stimmer exclusive, but no longer unstable. Goliath Champ + Sumpkroc and Journal are upcoming releases after Escher, that'll bring back genesmith and some new close combat weapons. Goliath will be fine.
>>98473569I just assumed genesmithing was coming back in the little journal booklet thing.
>>98473277What the fuck are you talking about you retard
>>98474103I feel like cult icons are gonna be one of the best upgrades as it allows you to reroll the test
>>98473569That’s how it was in the OG.>>98473277I think grenade launchers are a lot worse in N26.
>>98468454very noice, i'm planning a similar-ish conversion using the new forgebreaker.
Whoever said Orlocks look bad is taking crazy pills.
>>98473015>>98473454Thanks, these and any other corrections are appreciated, and are being passed along, seen and fixed for the next revision. Especially anything where a wrong number/word is in place of the correct number/words.
>>98474363Smoke grenade cost for Palanite subjugator grenade launcher is wrong. Supposed to be +20 credit, not 80 credit.
>>98466324How is current kill team editon? Did GW drop the ball on it?How much of a hassle will it be to convert modern kriegers into proxies for those terror on devlan guardsmen?
>>98474515Still the most successful cashcow for GW and has turned into a 40k sneakpeak/early access release rather than Kill team release.
Hello, how do you do fellow hive scummers. There used to be a mega with all the necromunda tactics and campaign cards set to be printable, including nice custom ones. Is that still around?P.S. I am not named James nor affiliated with any one by that name and that's legally binding.
painted a gangernot my best, but suitably worn and grimy
>>98474515>Did GW drop the ball on it?YesThe exodite box.... is >>98474597 a horrible waste of trying to force ork models on people. The Exodite terrain on the box is clearly 3d printed in their studio, but they didn't mass produce a sprue of it. But the Stelaes and Waystones are basically 100% necessary to play the campaign against the Orks. There is also a bunch of extra space in the box that just seems wasted. Most likely they intended to put terrain in there, but didn't for some reason?I was disappointed in Devlan and Shadowhunt but Exodite is a huge advertisement trying to get people to buy Beast fucking Snaggas and halfassed without the terrain, it's maddening.
>>98474515so much yes.not only all >>98476409 with just clearly taking something out, jamming in orcs that weren't selling.The exodites are also busted as all hell, don't fit into kill team at all thematically, dont fit in half the available terrain, needed to add "we destroy placed terrain" so that they can't be blocked which then makes them incredibly strong if only for locking out choices.
>>98466556I have the Wastelands book, if you’re ok waiting I can take pics tomorrow for you. Do you want the fluff or just rules? If anyone has the Bastions of Law plus fluff I’d be most appreciative as well.
>>98471514Aimindullah, blessings of the ash wastes be upon you
>>98472461Very cool crew, great idea with the brute robot with the skull head!
>>98476873Fluff would be appreciated, if you're willing to do that many. Thanks for the offer either way, though.
>>98473757Youre better off genestealer corrupting or malstraining a house gang. Probably orlocks. Malstrain games are arbitrator tool tier, they have huge flaws in campaign (champs who cant do post battle and cant get equipment upgrades)
>>98466556>>98476873gf.io/d/dhvplq
>>98474363Aimed shot is listed as -1 to roll when it should be +1
>new Necromunda rules, againTranscribed rules + gangs (with corrections and final formatting)gofile dot io/d/yJEEUR
>>98477849thanks lad
>>98476398Looks good, anon. Be sure to paint your full gang when its finished.
>>98478257yeah, with anon posting the updated rules earlier I can make a 1k credit gang, should be roughly the same but I think i'll drop my ambot for more men
>>98466427Just do what anyone with two braincells dies and play og necromunda, not nucromunda slop.
>>98478519>never heard of NCENGMI
>>98478709Your problem is your lack of skill, scrub.
>>98478739Look buddy, if you want a fair and balanced competitive game then A) Blood Bowl is not for you, it very specifically has teams that are good, teams that are mid and teams that are shit. but furthermore B) GW games are not for you either.Go play checkers, dice wargames are not fair or balanced.
>>98478739I started my Blood Bowl career with Vampires back in 2010 and while lizardmen aren't easy, I also stomped them more than enough times.Anon is right, this is a (You) problem.
>>98478854Oh fuck off, LRB era vampires are the worst team of all Blood Bowl history, merely activating a vampire risks a turnover and the player leaving the board.
>>98478854>Playing against lizards is assLMAO complete skill issue. What teams ARE balanced in your deluded mind then?
>>98478959Bro you have legit skill issue if you think cage breaking is an issue vs lizards. Whilst they cage if they are retarded and do it tightly you can stall them to no end to at worst score once in the drive or force them to have to break out to score. Or if they do a loose cage you can dive in. In addition you can beat the shit out of the skinks to gain a numbers advantage and make them barely be able to play the ball. I assume you think a dwarf guard cage is also nigh on impossible and only easier to death with as none have ST4? If you want to not suck dick then learn how play against cages, I.e. learn bloodbowl 101. Even the fucking Lizard winrate disagrees with you as they are a mid team.
>>98479026To add to the point Ive beaten lizards easily vs a good player whilst using in particular to the example pact and wood elves (and all the others). The 1st would be frustrating to play with on top of by your retarded logic, the 2nd would have no cage breaker as wardancers cant really do it very well anymore and even back then you can easily remove them.
>>98477849Hell yeah man, thanks for putting this together!
I REALLY REALLY REALLY don't give a shit about Blood Bowl.
>>98479110Wood Elves arent bad vs lizards and I never claimed as such. My point was that your only claim to that point was cage breaking being an issue against lizardmen ignoring anything else that they have thats strong which shows how limited and retarded your issue with them was. >Marking lizardsYou are a complete midwit. You can stall by not marking as well very easily doing columns or staggered columns. You also CAN mark them when needed. You have to suck it up if you are AG3+ as thats not even bad. You also dont have to have that many dodge like youre making it out to be. Youre the type of pussy that is scared of a 1 dice block and hinges their entire team on one action.>dorf cage is slowSo is a lizard one vertically if you stall properly without bad luck. They just have better lateral movement as which point the cage becomes loose. You also can simply kill everything else outside the cage as its skinks at best. >You cant stall themYou dont play bloodbowl, you netlist and 1:1 guides on setups and moan when they dont work as you cant fathom playing outside the box. NO ONE outside of complete noobs thinks lizards are some impossible team. >decent player wont expose his skinksCool, then you will focus on removing a saurus. Most likely you WILL get one. Also say they score, then just score back faster. The teams that will struggle with saurus walls will do better with the ball. Or if you are actually smart you will force him to commit skinks to help. Your entire strawman is assumign the 6 saurus warriors magically automatically get the ball and have a X cage thats inpenetrable. This also ignores how little else is on the field. You havnt even mentioned how else they are strong besides the cage really which shows how much of a fucking noob you are. Im not even the Vamp guy from earlier but you have to be subhuman to think Vamps in LRB edition werent shit when their players could turn over and leave the pitch from merely moving. It says it all really.
'dites are cool but the box is a missed opportunity to explore mounted teams>could have made Killteam Squiggasaur riders for the orks>remove the Ork npos because fuck you gw>add a jungle playboard>terrain sprue with a few trees and waystones>just have a normal sized dossier instead of a 'deluxe' dossier that GW charges more for because it's hardcover with a felt bookmark175 bucks or soemthingThat wouldn't be so hard but GW gotta make everything complicated
building a new model for my GSC gang leaderunsure on the autogun is all, I think it needs a stockcurrently she'll be armed with an extra arm (as an alpha has one by stock) and an autogun to start off with, but I can swap out the autogun for a chainsword on the same arm, and put the autogun on her backY/N?
>>98479245I never said winning with Wood elves vs lizards was impossible you projecting retard. Read my post. My point was that though they will struggle more as wardancers cant break cages anywhere near as easily, and yet despite this and them being annoying to play into lizards the lizard team isnt unbeatable god you are making out to be. You are so focussed on the cage in your initial arguments it shows how shite your knowledge of the game is.>I've beaten lizards with orcs and it was by getting mighty blow removals. It's just not consistantOh No, is that a 49% WR? overall for them??? Seems like they dont consistently win either? >Risk shitYou have to take risks in bloodbowl, my point was that you can stall a cage with very few blocks that the 3+ ones arent really that numerous that its an issue. >lizards dont need to push farNeither do most other teams retard. You keep listing stuff other teams can also do and never tie your issues together but even at that point theyre not this god team you are strawmanning them to be hence their 49% WR. >dorf commentYou miss the point I was making as youre a retard. A fast team being cage blocked merely moves laterally faster if you stall properly or they can move vertically ever so slightly better when half stalled. The stall/half stall still gives you room to do stuff. I.e. beat them up, force stuff etc. >blitz skinkCool you cant blitz a skink, then kill a saurus then. They WILL have a skink available as otherwise you outnumber them and will force stuff via attrition. Thats the tradeoff they are making. Use YOUR advantage. A St4 dude can get mogged by a few players.>playing bloodbowlYou clearly dont or you are shit as this argument basically summounts to you shitting yourself over 6 ST4 dudes, its pathetic as is your reasoning for it.>Wont get oneNo you will, unless you are unlucky you remove one or stun one if you commit to the damage strat. 1/2
>>984792452/2 Lizards are decent on defence but they struggle with lose cages that dont stall their attempts to get deep unless they use skinks. Oh wait you can then bully the skinks.>>98479252Youre assumign the kroxx cant be tied up with a sacrifice or you ALSO likely have a big dude or if you dont you can move your 11th player easier. >speedYour arguments on their speed arent unique to them and dont really change much in scenarios you force to deal with them. They merely can deal with them slightly more easily at the cost of poor ball control. >Sure thing retardRewtard cant fathom that theres 2 people who disagree with his retarded takesYou clearly dont play Lizards or play against them often and have developed a fear of playing against them purely due to a skill issue. You are literally so scared over Mv6 ST4 dudes to the point you cant see anyway to deal with them when they are quite literally a mid tier team thats simply easy to play as their mechanics are simple. You having shit luck at dealing with Saurus warriors isnt an issue with the game, its you psyoping yourself into playing shit and manifesting shit luck as an addition. Git gud faggot.
>>98478959>In 2010 vamps had a better record thanBecause only skilled players would take vamps to tournaments or on FUMBBL.
>>98479110>muh wardancersplaying dark elves I would have leap on my witch elves within 5 games and frenzy on my assassins and suddenly the stock wood elves you're bitching about are scrubs.You rely on old win/loss stats because you're a newfag and the only perspective you have on a bygone era is the old paper trail, all of us with actual play experience in that rules meta are telling you you're retarded.
>>98479420NTA but with the amount of calling everybody who doesnt speak Anons desired type of english an indian i am convinced 50% of the posters is one dude afraid of fucking pajeets lmao
>>98479460>vamps are better than teams which have baked-in 1TTD'sJust keep proving how much of a newfag you are.
>>98479420Wardancers objectively cant dive cages as well as they used to retard. You can seethe all you want but its not true. Theyre not bad at it but theyre nowhere near as good at it. Then again this distinction is too high level for you given you seethe at the notion of playing against Lizards.>Lizards dont H cageNah bro according to you the cage is impossible to deal with and no other team can stop them forming/reforming the cage. Aso say you strip the ball and it lands next to the saurus warrior then by your own admission its impossible to get it. This entire subsection of your argument is basically you admitting that wood elf players even after a wardancer nerf will happily play against lizards breaking your strawman of lizards being this uber team that is only fair in mirror matches. You cant even extrapolate this effect to teams that can also deal with Lizards besides Pact when I listed it. For you concede do I have to mention or go through each team in the game for you to figure out how they can deal with saurus warrior cages? >Winrate commentThe fact your hung up on where the winrate is from shows how little you get the point Im making. They likely have a similar 'normal' midlevel winrate but the data isnt there atm. No one but you and a few other retards are complaining about them.>risk stuffYoure explaining the odds not getting that I already know them. My point was that you can force and be forced to do risky stuff. Eventually you may have to. A lizard player forcing you into shit risk management scenarios is you playing shit and being cuckchained to traditional ways to approach them. >Lizards are fast for a bash teamYes hit the skinks. You can keep going 'you cant hit the skinks' but you really can. If he hides them thaty m,uch you can bully the fuck out of the saurus warriors by numbers and fuck up his line. They are are no stronger than most bash teams due to how weak the players other the strong guys are as theyre stunty. 1/2
>>98479339I agree that I would rather see an autogun with a stock than one without. If I had three arms, I'd keep any weapon I needed to aim in one of the hands up front (to more easily look throught the sight) and give the rear hand a vicious melee weapon, or hand flamer, to no-look butcher sneaky fuckers.
2/2 >>98479420>stallingI never said it was the exact same thing but that its similar and they have a tradeoff vs the dorf team as a result. Given how much of a skill issue you have and how you think they will score anyway how about you just let them score and focus on killing some player and ignore the ball. Naturally a skilled player could do both but given the skill level you seem to be at I doubt you can manage to do this as you need 5 players for 1 ST4 dude the way youre moaning about it.>>98479460>Skink blitzSee above. He pays a cost for shielding them. Youre also assumign that you have to be hitting all the lizards at once with the numbers instead of funneling them via stalling and probing the cage. >Kroxx auto kills anythingIve fed linemen into big guys to stall them and they sometimes dont die. Much like how saurus warriors also are removed when you hit them. Also you are forcing the kroxx to stay hitting that guy even if for a turn rarther than doing something important. He loses value in that trade. >Not everyone has oneRead nigger I already said this.>ESLIm typing fast as Im doing other stuff. What have I said that makes me ESL, if its saying 'shite' then English is even more my first language than your bastardised version of it. But this is besides the point.>Lizards OP in BB2You really are just shit at the game. This entire argument is pointless as you cant fathom how bad at the game you are and have to make up bullshit claims like people only playing against them in mirror matches. More to the point you cant even take all 7 strong guys at the start anymore. >theyre the best team in the gameTheyre really not, theyre simply very specialised in what each player does. They suck outside of that. >Many people play themThey are easy and straightforward to play and attract players that way. They arent bad but they are not some uber team you are claiming them to be.Unironically play lizards only for a while. You will lose a fair amount.
>>98479470Anon 'shite' is a similar word to shit. It has regular use in the UK. Its literally English. Only ESLs or North Americans cant fathom slang beyond their own region. Its not even rarely used either by virtue of Scotland existing.
>>98479542>have winrates>not hadLRB ERA VAMPIRES
>>98479570Because only very skilled players took vampires to tourney dumbass, it is well known by EVERYONE WHO ACTUALY PLAYED IN THAT ERA that vampires were shit.Hell we had a newbie ITT state he was starting with vampires years ago in that rules meta (2016 vs LRB but the same roster nonetheless) and EVERYONE warned him about it because that was common knowledge.You. Are. A. Newfaggot.
>>98479542If you actually played Wood elves you wouldnt be risking the wardancer to break a cage like that in the new rules unless it was close the the end of the half as you then get beaten up and lose somethign more valuable. But you dont play BB so you wouldnt know. >He thinks cage diving is the only way to deal with cagesYou are unironically shit at the game. The ways to deal with the cage have existed longer than you have been alive or been allowed to leave the house without supervision of a nurse you retarded fuck. >One bad matchupAnon I can go through each one if you really want and thats from my own experience. The Dark elf player could list his own as can the old vamp player. Just because you dont play the game enough to know how to play against cages besides leaping into them doesnt make the rest of us retarded.>typo spammingAnon Im typing fast as Im doing other stuff. Minor grammar errors are nowhere near as bad as you being genuinely retarded to the point you cant understand the actual text properly.>Just play like an elf broYes you dumb fuck. Ive played like an elf as a Khorne player before as that was the best solution to the scenario I was in. And its worked most of the time with most times it hasnt being due to luck. See this is what we are pointing out. You cant fathom playing the team in an unorthodox way for a few turns to deal with difficult scenarios. You can also adapt the elf column stall to be different and work for your own race. Ive done it with Ogres before.>killing the skinks does nothing>they lose players to assist and cant handle the ball anymore. This alone shows you dont play liazrds. Yes people only focussing the skinks are retards but you thinking you cant ever kill them shows you dont play well at all. You can almost always get one and if you cant then the tradeoff is the saurus warriors have less support than you. Shit lizard players either never shield or never risk the skinks. both extremes lead to fuck ups 1/2
>>98477604Thank you kindly, that was all I was missingNow to see whether my local group wants to move over to the new edition or stay with the old one.
>>98479542>dorfs are not similarThey are. All cages are the same to some degree. How they react to situations is different but on a spectrum. Lizards are far closer to dorfs than an elf cage. If you Dorfs cant ever be stalled and can barely move horizontally. Lizards can but struggle to break out of a wall preventing such movement which stalls them and they then have to grind. Go play lizards and try and move horizontally vs a proper stall. This also assumes you dont have the saurus warriors tied up (even worse vs stand firm stuff) or that they can reach the best place for the skink all the time. You can easily limit how a cage moves. Its breakouts by dodges that are hard but you can make it risky as hell. Youre acting like they auto score when they get within 8-10 squares when they clearly dont. I cant imagine how you deal with gutter runners if you are this shit. >>98479570Shit isnt an ESL word muttoid. Deal with it. >skinks never die anywayBy that logic halflings never die. If killing them achieves nothing then they dont do anything by your own logic. so you are there in your own mind playing 11v 7 and you can easily scatter/tie them up in weird ways or stall them. Not to mention pick them apart. This also assumes you dont fuck up picking the ball with sauruses which will happen as they cant handle the ball. this isnt true of course as the skinks do have an impact.>Im whiteWhite**** where the **** represents the spic mutt melting pot mix. this is besides the point and irrelevant.>munchkins flock to good teamsMost people play a variety of teams. I regularly play a wide plethora. If you really think lizards make the game 100% solved then either fuck off or play lizards and enjoy getting raped by people who arent noobs and can actually deal with them. You have no higher level cognition to understand why you are wrong and have to resort to pointing out minor grammar issues or moaning about slang. Think outside the box and play unorthodox or kys.
>>98479470>THE INDIANS THEY ARE AFTER ME REEEEEEFucking lmao"
>>98479078If you're only paid to interact with Necromunda posts you can start a dedicated general.
>>98477604Bless you, happy I don’t have to take five million pictures of my Wastelands book. Did the basic black before leadbelcher and the zandri dust for the bone of my Ash Waste Nomads, no idea what color they should be. Part of me wants to go for hot pink robes, BS it as “hiding in industrial waste crystals” or something.
I don't suppose we talk about Kill Team in here now that they don't have a general anymore?I'm actually looking for a scan of this old expansion book for 1st edition Kill Team (the one before the Krieg models, starting in 2018). Hard to find. If anyone has a link please let me know.
>>98479339Should have upgraded it with a heavy stubber. GSC this edition is all about heavy guns.
Guess I'm late to the party but I played a lot of mesbg during the last edition. What's the catch to get into the new one? For what I've been reading in the rules it seems they killed off creative list building and a few rules and stats make no sense and are there just as an absurd filler.
>>98480251I want to take a guy or two with one yes, but I'd need to convert it using the orlock heavy bolters as a base, I want all my guys to look as human as possible>and the 3rd arm?uh uhhh they get that because the arms are covered in bionics to help carry the weapon! a punch from that would surely have its extra rules
>>98480337I thought you 3d print those bits. But for using bits from existing kits, Exaction squad heavy stubber has a carrying handle, so you can have that model carry it 1 hand without changing the pose drastically.
>>98480413the orlock HBs all I really need to do is just swap the barrel out, i'll be getting them from ebay or a bitz site anyway
>>98480491oh wait the orlocks have a heavy stubber in the base kit lol
>>98479581and only new players play ogres, flings and gobbos? you're obviously a retarded tranny and a never played if you think vamps are worse than orges.>>98479583>you wouldn't risk itit's a 74% chance to get the ball, retardo. if you aren't going to take a 74% to win the game you aren't going to play wood elves. >random seethingI get that you can't articulate yourself on a count of the fact you have an iq in the 60s and you are an ESL, but you can't screen lizards due to the stunty dodge and the fact they only need 3 squares and basing them and hoping they fail is going to get your team killed. you can do that to other teams but lizards have too much meat and too much speed. >more retardationvamps have gaze and darkies can 2 die off. humans can't they dont have dodge and fail twice as offen.>minor errorsyour posts sound like a retarded illiterate in Warsaw is dictating to a child in Calcutta >just fail twice as many dodges and use a bad strat and hope for the bestogres have fucking dodge on all their snots, they dont fail as often as humans. your entire strategy is muh blitz a skink muh let the lizards into your side of the field and do shitty 3+ dodges they never fail>muh skinksyou can hit the skinks every turn and none of them will die until it's too late in the game to matter. >>98479656dorfs arent similar at all. they are slow and st3. they get bogged down super easily and need to make progress and need to risk to make progress. lizards dont need to move more than 3 squares up the pitch, retard
>>98479656shit isn't, shite is, you third world retard. shite is an indian word. haflings die if you look at them funny. skinks can take like 16 mb tackle hits and they never die and even if the do it doesnt matter so long as they have 1 skink alive because the big lizards are so strong and fast>more seething I dont have a drop of Mexican blood. the US is the only white country. that's why we've gone to the moon and you dont have AC or the indoor toilet.>multiple teams only munchkins play as lizardmen. that's why Andy davo said NAF rules have to make them unviable. didnt some fag keep winning ccl with lizards? I know one kept winning the/tg/ fumbbl league because lizards are a munchkin team. >play lizardsnah, I'm not a child rapist like you are, thirdoid.>>98479989indians, yuropoors, a distinction without a difference. all nonAmericans are jeets in the eyes of the American master race
>>98480520>get the ballRetard, you get the ball out of their hands, then it bounces then you have to get it. IF this is say turn 1 or 2 are you really going to risk your wardancer getting removed and fucking over the rest of the game for you? This shows you have no foresight for the rest of the game or players and only see small interactions. You are retarded and thats why you suck dick at bloodbowl to the point that you think lizards are OP. >Cant screen lizardsAnon you do realise at a certain point in bloodbowl you cant outright stop something and have to force them to make a roll even if they are likely to pass it. 'basing them' wtf this mean you ESL fuck? You fucked up the wording too. >lizards have too much meat and too much speed. They dont you stupid nigger. They have EITHER the speed or the meet. Youre the type of retard who in 40k playing against eldar runs tanks into fire dragons and infantry into howling banshees and then moans that their unit gets rekt. You are getting filtered by a team that has very specialised roles because you are incapable of disrupting them. Look above. Even the Janny thinks your posts are retarded. >Vamp stuffYou can continue that with the vamp anon as I barely can be arsed with this shit argument.>minor error partAnon others clearly understand my posts perfectly. Maybe you are the ESL spic here trying so hard to fit in.>he thinks I mean screen with the snotlings onlyAnon, you can screen with any model. You dont need to just do bashy stuff with bashy players and agi stuff with agi players. This is the hallmark of a good player and why you are getting raped by lizards. >skinksYOU CAN HIT THE SKINKS IN MOST CASES YOU STUPID RETARDED MELTY POT CUNT. If you cant then guess what my post also says? You can hit the fucking saurus instead. Ive done this, this is how you beat lizards. >not like dorfs at allThey are, their cage is more manoeuvrable but you can bog them down and they hate having to grind their way up 1/2
>>984805572/2>shiteYou are from the UK. You arent English. I am and ethnically too. Only ESLs wont recognise the word as its slang. Unironically kys cunt.>US in the only white countryAnon as much as my country is getting run over by 3rd worlders down south its still more white than yours. This is of course besides the point and youve brought this up as you have no actual substance to why lizards are hard to beat.Anyone can play lizards. Theyre a commonly picked team as they are straightforward to play. I dont care about your buzzword shit and invoking eceleb cunts like it matters here. You dont play the game. I and the other anons do hence we know lizards arent OP. If you must drink NAF's cock and not think for yourself than you are beyond hope and a discredit to the game and your race invoking. Youre likely to not even be the good looking ones either and a discredit to decent Americans. If they are so easy to play go play lizards and prove it. Or concede that you have no argument and dont play the game. You will have a 100% winrate by your own logic.
"teaching my dog to eat lizards and attack ESLs as revenge for losing 0-3 against lizardmen in Bloodbowl yesterday"
>>98480676You're a funny cunt.
>>98480337>I'd need to convert it using the orlock heavy bolters as a base, I want all my guys to look as human as possibleOr just scrounge up a model of a 28mm heavy machine gun from any of a couple dozen manufacturers. M1919s look pretty good. I cobbled a Maxim pom-pom out of a couple old Ork Shootas and some offscale ammo cans.>>98479339>I think it needs a stockYou can make a folder or a tube stock in a couple of minutes with paperclip and a chunk of plastic. picrel.
>>98479258No no, the box exodites box is the bestest, according to some youtuber James did great! Put useless Orks in da box so it becomes unattractive for scalpers. Rejoice, people who want the dino elves can get them! now you just pay James the scalper price for the Dino's because you get to buy the whole box, including the worthless Orks
>>98479258Exodite are slops coming out of GW nu-designer's asshole. It's boring as shit. Retards will tell you how "faithful" it is following Jes's concept, except for when it conveniently didn't, the dinosaurs look like Age of Sigmar Seraphon got multiverse'd into 40k, the weapons are the same shits you've already seen a million times in other Eldar kits.
>>98482077yeah, i didn't want full unga bunga elf, but just something more the exact same craftworlder but with assless chaps
>>98482077I’ve been waiting for exodites since the ‘90s, but they weren’t supposed to look so high tech and craftworldy.
My friends are starting a Blood Bowl Sevens league and the minis I most want to paint are Amazons. Are they OP in sevens, though? That’d be a negative for me. Hopefully it’s not too bad because I really like the minis. Also, do they play like Lizardmen? I haven’t played in years (and haven’t played Sevens, which is all we can manage now that we all have kids), but I once had a Lizardmen team. Another team with good-but-not-Elven agility, some dodge, and some strength 4 players with decent movement mixed in. I guess with Amazons you’d actually give the Str 4 players the ball, so that’s different.
Sell me on Man O War anons
>>98482483>minis I most want to paint are Amazons. Are they OP in sevens, though?I think at least with your choice of positionals and decent looking (at least on paper) linemen, surely they'd be a good choice in sevens.
>>98482633A really great basic ruleset but you'll want to replace crew markers with a dice or something.Simple elegant rules where you roll to hit, and it's either a hit location or a miss, so ships with more places to hit are easier to hit, and then there's an armor save that's -1 to save at close range and +1 at long range. All guns are either 9" in range or 12" in range, majority of game is maneuvering to hit with broadsides or ramming targets.Empire is middle of the road with a couple experimental (mortar, giant cannon) ships. Smallest ships have oars to move against wind or rotate in place.Brettonian have faster ships with more cannon, but only broadsides and they don't have oars.High Elves have light fast catamarans with long range bolt throwers that don't modify saves.Dark Elves have a giant floating colony ship, and the rest of their "ships" are attached to sea serpents. Randomized shot bolt throwers and their ships can move in any direction.Dwarves have steam engines and turrets but can't use magic.Orks are super random weird gadgets. Expansions suffer from the same thing as Space Marine/Titan Legions where they add too many extra counters and subrules to the game.
Does anyone here have any experience playing Kill Team with four full teams in a single game?I haven't played or painted 40k the last 14'ish years, but the Exodite set caught my interest and Kill Team looks like a fun game. But I would like to play it with more than two teams. I would like to have a little extra mayhem with my friends and have 4 full teams going free for all or 2vs2.So do any of you have experience with that?I was way into 40k since the early 90's when I got my first White Dwarf, both painting and playing a ton up until the mid 2010's.Been thinking about getting back into it a few times, but I don't have the patience (or budget) for building big armies etc. So Kill Team looks very appealing to me. Eldar were my shit back in the 90's, so the Exodite set really caught my eye. And one of my brothers' main faction has been Orks all these years too, so it looks like a good set.I want to get that set and a Deathwatch team because it would be fun to have them going in and killing all the xenos while they duke it out.I have tons of old minis and terrain I can use too, but I'm mostly interest in 4 player action.
New Goyliath revealedhttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/8zqejqld/new-house-goliath-miniatures-and-rules-for-necromunda/
>>98483484New sumpkroc looks like it got a few kicks. Poor thing.
>>98483509Thing reminds of the Simpson electric car joke>I'm an electric sumpkroc>I can't bite hard>nor go too far>and if you have me people will think you are an Escher
>>98483484All of them are in static/show off poses, No action/attack poses. While the show off poses made it easier to swap weapons, Some elaborated attacking pose would be nice to assign to a star model in your gang.
>>98482633I know it's never going to happen but I wish GW would release a modern day Man O' War, even if it was a limited release of only 4 factions or something for a Christmas.That or Battlefleet Gothic which is 40k set and not Heresy, I want actually divergent factions not just flavours of marines.
>>98483484Look good, I like em a lot more than the Escher ones. Cool pit slave cybernetics too.
>>98483595I actually prefer more “resting” poses for leaders and big shots, makes them feel more intimidating. But I wouldn’t have minded maybe one like you say.
>>98483682You got plenty of them from Forge Smelter, Goliath and Stimmer already. At least forge smelter got an alternative build of shooting the ignition cannon, and the stimmer has a running pose, but his arms are still fucked in the show off pose.
>>98483661>but I wish GW would release a modern day Man O' WarDeal! it could even be turned it into bfg clone!
>>98483484I'm really curious what kind of leader sets the other house gangs will get. I built some Delaque guys I got from a friend who quit the hobby and it kinda bugged me the leader looked just like the rest of them.
>>98483880Paypiggy
do necromunda cosplays exist?
>>98484013Yes, check yaktribe for a whole thread full of pics. And no, there won't be many scantily clad Escher cosplays.
>>98483595>show off posesAppropriate
>>98483880Maybe they will finally remember how Delaque was supposed to look before replacing it with grandma trenchcoat so they can fit onto the sprue.
>>98483342There are scenarios in the book for 4 players, my experience is that oftentimes one player gets shafted compared to the others though that's way more prevalent with 3 players. I think it'll be chaotic fun.
>>98484112Delaque are meant to be the riasing threat in necromunda now so they will probably get a lot fo stuff
>>98484068>And no, there won't be many scantily clad Escher cosplaysFUUUUCCCCKKKK a cool van saar will make up for it I guess
>>98483895Bro, if we want new miniatures and continued support we have to actually invest in the game. Printoids, book pirates, and recastfags are a cancer on the hobby.
>>98484356>weGot a gerbil up your ass?There is no desire for continued "support" the best games are abandoned games, new minis? That's fine we have a third party pipeline that does the job better, Escher that actually look like women is the largest focus, but I have Judge Dredd enforcers and a few different Goliaths, a nice selection of GSC, and have seen at least every other house with options and things that GW refuses to touch like Ratskins.GW is the cancer on the hobby, change for the sake of getting at your wallet and constant disruption of meta for the same reason AND to hide the poor design in what they have released that is exposed by consistent play.T hose of us printing and pirating ARE THE HOBBY, we alone demonstrate a passion to preserve, paint and play without any corporate entity trying to milk a profit margin, WE are the community that fixes rules when a game is abandoned and keeps it going, just look at Blood Bowl with literally HUNDREDS of third party miniature options, not even 40k has the third party support of Blood Bowl and that was entirely built by an international community keeping the game going for decades without GW being involved, and it's the only kind of support a game needs, more minis for the rules that you already have.
>>98484356dude been waiting 9 years for scavy's; they ain't giving me the content, so what do I do? Buy shithorned Redemptionist Cawdor? yeah no.9 years, half a fucking Outlander gang, no scavy's, ratskins? Dead, Scavy's? Only a token mention on a map We got spyre hunters, fine, but they'd rather pump out more shit for 5 gangs, ignore Delaque, and rinse and repeat.
>>98484356How can I buy bunny girls from GW if GW is not making them?Is not like buying random marines models would encourage GW to make the models I want. It would only encourage GW to make more shit that I'm already buying from them.
>>98480613>play passively like a bitch.holy shit you are gay and retarded. the reason you play wood elves is to cage dive. if you arent going to cage dive you play a different type of elf. you can 2+ dodge with dodge for a few turns but the second you see an opening you leap in because it's a 4+ 2 die strip 3+ to just win. you are a dickless retard if you refuse to ever leap in. that's a 60% chance to just win the game with one reroll.>just let them scorewow you are a passive retard. just waiting for them to roll bad isnt a great move. screening only works very early and very late in a dive like turn 7 or 8 to stop a score and turn 1 or 2 to wait for a position to dive>basingyou are a fucking ESL third world retard. basing is the present form of base. meaning either to put the base on a mini or in blood bowl context to tag or mark a player with base to base contact. way to out yourself as a never played newfag esl retard. >they have either speed or the meet(sic)good morning, saar! you really do struggle with english. lizards have both speed, all of the sauri have ma6, the krox ma5 and the skinks ma8. and they have meat. 7 st4+ av10+ guys. meat means big strong study fuckers, you esl retard.>arsed good morning, saar!>muh skinks killing skinks does nothing you third world retard. you can only hit the skinks if the lizard player is super bad or wants you to hit them. Davo has said he let's people hit the skinks in the second half to distract them from better blitz targets>bog them down they literally only need to move 3 squares into the opposing half. dorfs and undead need 4 and orcs need 5 and even then dorfs, undead and orcs need more than 4 or 5 because they cant stunty stunty dodge. skinks are almost as good as gutter runners when it comes to dodging through screens you brown retard
>>98484937Jesus dude, calm down; you'll live longer
>>98480655>you are from the UK.No I'm from America. I'd kill myself if I lived in a brown third world tranny country like bongistan.>jannyunrelated issue on a different board where I was racist to yuropoors for being thirdies.>you aren't English.nope, I'm white. why would I want to be English? they aren't white.>slagI recognize it as slag, as indian slang, thirdie>thirdies.the US is The Only white country. whites dont live anywhere else>anyone can picklizards are commonly picked because they're a munchkin race, simple as.>ecelebsJimmy Fantastic and Andy Davo are 2 top players. davo won the recent world championship and Davo is involved with the NAF rules committee stuff. the guy who writes the rules isnt an eceleb, he's an expert. that's why he writes tournament rules, retardo.>you dont playI do, you don't. that's why you don't know what basing is and think a 60% chance to win the game on one play is a bad move. which is retarded. the whole point of wood elves is that they can strip sack and 1 turn. the other 3 elf teams are more passive. >drink NAF's cockI was shit posting with the other posts but holy shit, good morning saar! that's ESL to the max. there is no fucking way a native English speaker would say that.and you keep shilling for lrb6. the NAF is a community run rules committee independent from GW, you should love them.>and your race invoking.I legitimately have no idea what you are trying to say, ESL.>youre likely to not even be the good looking ones eitherthis reads like a retarded polak was dictating to an illiterate indian. holy esl>play as lizards I can't, I'm not a child molester>>98480676>>98480916brown ass third world samefaggot>>98482483>play like lizards more like a mix of dark elves and orcs. you can dodge off and screen more reliablely than rookie elves and if the other team doesn't have tackle you can orc wall and man mark every player for a few turns to put pressure on.>st4 carrier watch out for strip ball
>>98485040>you'll live longerAnon do you really want that? I mean, the sooner we're rid of folks like him, the better for everyone. I, for one, encourage an embolism.
>>98485040I'm completely calm>>98485058>folks that's tranny talk
>>98485084Retard
>>98485103faggot
>>98485110I know you are but what am I
And it's devolved into Kindergarden.
>>98485130He started it
>>98471514Very nice although it’s missing a bullet point under shooting that you get a -1 to hit against seriously injured targets
alright fags, I got some Blood Bowl action on the weekend, and I'm planning on causing as much Throw Teammate carnage as possible. Ideally by bouncing a goblin around a cage or other clump of dudes.Assuming this will wear out after a few turns and big clumps might be more spread out, and then what? more strategic blitzes and fouls?
Man I keep scrolling past Blood Bowl whining to get to the Ncromunda whining settle down guys.
>>98485316Make your own fucking general
>>98485316Not a fun group of guys in here.I played BB Sevens this weekend and loved it. We don't really have time for full matches but 7s is perfect. I got a reroll from the kickoff table and still failed a Go For It roll, which was hilarious, and later my friend's High Elves could've tied the game if the Dragon Prince had been willing to hand off the ball. He wasn't so they didn't.Our teams were shamefully unpainted but we're starting to work on that.
>>98485430Beach Bowl is better than 7's
>>98484937He came back lmao. >the reason you play wood elves is to cage diveConfirmed to never played wood elves. Yes you enjoy cage diving at turn 2 to release a ball that you then dont get and have your wardancer get killed early and lose via attrition. You clearly cant fathom how the game works beyond a single turn. You can delay etc. All your replies just further cement you just being awful at bloodbowl and not understanding the game. This is why you think lizards are OP when theyre clearly not at any level of play in any ruleset. Its literally a skill issue on your part and nothing else. >2nd partIn Bloodbowl the best yopu can do in some circumstances is to force them make a move. The fact you dont think this is an active thing shows again how shit you are at the game. Why force a shit play that fucks you up rather than waiting patiently for a perfect moment. This applies to all teams but fast teams its even better as you can do more with less time. Youre the type of faggot who puts all his guys in tacklezones in a moshpit to have players doing something (when even being on the pitch is often doing something via pure positioning) then moans when they get beat up. >basingIm not a fag that uses terms on NAFfags use. Tieing players up is the term used where I play. This is besides the point though.>meat partBro I was up early in the morning typing this shit to you. The fact you care this much about minor spelling errors whilst I have to type several 2k plus character posts to explain how youre retarded shows you have no argument. >skinks do nothingYoure really fucking dumb. Not only do they do something but this shows a flaw in your argument. If they do nothing then you are playin vs a krox and 7 saurus warriors. You should win a 11v7. Explain how a 5+ agi saurus warrior handles the ball? Especially given youre shitting yourself over having to make 2-3 3+ dodge rolls when stalling via columns. 1/?
>>984849372/? >only need to move 3 squaresYou must shit yourself vs rats then. they only need to move 2 in and then you cant defend against a gutterrunner. Or even better, after it gets sprint 1 level if not on the touchline. The fact youre abstracting the game this hard shows again that you dont play. They dont auto score from that distance. >JannyBro the fact that the janny on this chill board bothered to nuke your posts is indicative enough how retarded your PoV and posts. You are simply wrong hence NO ONE here is agreeing with you and there isnt a outcry for lizards to be nerfed beyond you and other retards (all 3 of them being in your schizo head).>the Only white countryYou capitalised the 'O' in 'only' incorrectly. By your own logic you are now ESL. >munckin raceYou keep spamming this as if it means anything. The team is simply straightforward in what each player does and are difficult to use. That and lizards are popular in WHF. You really have this stupid delusion where theyre only picked to stomp noobs which given you are one seems to be why you are malding.>ecelebsAnon Im not even reading this part. You cant bring up all this other meta tier crap up then suck eceleb cock about the game. Whats more if youre just rattling off their opinion instead of actually showing how the team is better as Ive asked you to do you arent even really playing the game. >60% WRThey really dont have a 60% WR.>More spelling errorsAnon I was typing whilst drunk at what like 1-3am. The sentiment is enough.>not know what basing isBecause I dont play comp level Bloodbowl where most of it is fags taking T3 teams with Griff, Morg, and Zugg etc. >samefagYouve called like 4 different anons out for being samefags. Im not even the vampire player who initially responded to you, or the dark elf player.If youre so confident in Lizards being this auto win team then actually explain how they win beyond surface level details.2/?
>>984855653/3 and last post to not shit up the thread more as I can tell you wont give an actual well thought out reason for why lizards are OP despite clearly never playing as them. You conceded that woodelves are good vs lizards and did so to a lesser degree with Pact. As stated earlier do I or another anon have to go through every team and how they can win vs lizards for you to not regurgitate some eceleb faggotry opinion or some NAF orthodox only plays? Like you think stalling using columns/playing like elves is impossible with teams that arent elves when I do it regularly as Khorne to force better positioning at a later turn.
>>98485443Whats beachbowl?
>>98485443I like that we have hipsters for BB variants. How many are there?>Dungeonbowl>Gutterbowl>Streetbowl>Beachbowl>Deathbowl>Squigbowl>Sevensbowl
>>98485589>>98485680Beach bowl is very similar to 7's except it's more similar to full Blood Bowl than 7's is, a single line of scrimmage is a huge difference, it's also more casual friendly because it has two tiers of KO rather than KO and injured/dead.
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>>98485114eat shit.>>98485130that fag started it.>>98485135nah you did.>>98485183throw more goblins >>98485316this is a blood bowl thread, now git out
>learn about underworlds>love the idea>order a starter set>lurk more>realize it's deadwhat the fuck happened
>>98485130Kindergarten, schweinhunt.
>>98485585This thread is too messy for me to want to figure out what the argument was about, but Lizardmen are only doing okay in tournaments right now. I assume they do better in leagues.
>>98485763It's about anon who gets spastic over the idea of a total stranger playing LRB6 and his inability to play against lizardmen or wood elves with any other team that he is projecting as them being impossibly powerful.
>>98485509>release the ballare you using fucking google translate? good fucking morning, saar!>turn 2I didnt say you had to do it turn 2, retardo.playing wood elves without going for a leap strip is like playing goblins with no secret weapons or underworld without one turning. you must be as bad at blood bowl as you are with the English language.>any ruleset they literally had the highest win rate between like 1200-1800 tv on fumbbl during the lrb6 era, they were op.>just play passive a 74% to get the ball out and 60% to just win are good odds retard. you must be a coward and a retard. also you literally suggested man marking the lizards to keep them in place, moron.>basing tons of people use the word basing. jimmy does, fumbbl does. I see it used all the time.>muh earlyit's not my fault you feel the need to wake up at the crack of dawn to write 2k character esl retard posts and jerk off to blacked porn. you clearly live on here.>muh skinklizards only need one skink. it's not hard to protect 1 skink. you are acting like killing skinks does something when it only does anything if they have exactly 0 skinks and what retard is going to let you kill 4 skinks in one half? you must play in the down syndrome league.
>>98485763the TLDR is he has this delusional idea that lizards are OP and people only have fun in mirror matches against them. The image you provided he will/has claimed is a lie and due to NAF rules and theyre OP. This is of course without him being able to explain how they are uniquely better, claiming the skinks are useless or never attackable, that you cant just fight the saurus warriors, and a bunch of other retarded shit people who play the game beyond reading and autopiloting NAFfag guides wouldnt do/think.
>>98485745GW has a short attention span. It was a good system but it was meant to get attention from people who play board games rather than miniatures games. It didn't really succeed at that.>>98485763Looking at NAF statistics it looks like Amazons really are broken in Sevens. How do I play them less brokenly? Try passing a lot?
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>>98485750Schweinehund !! You Pimmel !
>>98485565>muh ratsit's very hard to stop rats from scoring if they want to score, but rats dont have 7 fucking ma6 st4+ av10+ players so you can bash them out when you have the ball. >this boardit was the /pw/ janny>no one you are the only one I'm arguing with, retard. almost no one in the thread plays blood bowl, retardo.also Jimmy fantastic and Andy Davo agree with me.>Onlycapitalizes for emphasis, retard. it's a common english thing to do. like bolding or underlining. there's emphasis capitalization in the declaration of independence when Jefferson calls the bong king a Muslim and blames him for slavery.>munchkin do you not know what munchkins are? munchkins are the hyper competitive minmaxing faggots who pick teams or characters based on how good they are at winning. like a sorcerer warlock paladin multiclass in dnd. lizards are popular because they are an over powered munchkin race. >muh ecelebdavo literally writes the rules that are used in tournaments, retardo.>60%wrholy esl. I never said they had a 60% win rate retard. I said a 4+ leap, 2 die strip and 3+ pickup was a 60% chance to win a game on one play. actually there should be a 2+ dodge at the end to get the ball carrier off a player so it's a 58.6% chance to win assuming the stripper is block strip and the ball recoverer has dodge with 1 reroll. its 64.6% with 2. a 60% to just win a game one someone else's drive is a good play, retardo.also this just proves you are retarded and esl because that confused you. >drunkbeing drunk makes you esl?>1-3am you reply in minutes. why are you so autistic you post retarded esl nonsense at 3 am? >comp levelfucking basing is a basic ass term most new players know, esl. >4 different canonsnah, one samefag
>>98485898Didnt read lmao
>>98485828Geologists look like THAT?!
>>98485585>how do they winthey have a decent one turn option. they can overwhelm and dorf wall someone or man mark them and force dodged or 1/half dies with their strength, they beat the shit out of teams and if they bust a gap they can flood the whole team around or through like rats due to their speed and they can play passive as fuck when they stall due to the stunty dodge, something undead or dorfs cant do.>last response.I doubt it. I know you want the last word, tard.>wood elvesyeah wood elves have consistantly been a good team>pactI didnt say pact was good. I said pact can get lucky and cas the lizards. I'd assume pact has a losing record vs lizards. they just have more variance and can get lucky due to the MB.>muh khorne sounds like you lose a lot. if your strategy is just to try to play as an elf with ag3 you're fucked and going to lose a lot because ag3+ fails twice as often as ag2+>>98485763GW made lizards more expensive in 2020 and 2025 to nerf them and most tournaments use a rules packs that nerf better teams. they particularly nerf orcs and lizards because no one wants to play vs lizards and they dont want a million orc or lizard mirrors and if they dont they will get a million orc and lizard mirrors. Amazons arent as good as they should be in 2026 because the tournament rules hurt them too much and you will see certain rules packs favor pro elves so munchkins take proelves or historically pro elves and humans in tourmunents that give them too much gold and too many skills. and tournaments are just a bad environment for lizards in general because there are more wood elves/elves and they will cage dive more since there arent mng or deaths. lizards are still overpowered in league once they get over the 1 reroll hump to start
>walls of text about Blood Bowl of all thingsTBD
>>98485779I dont give a shit if people play lrb6 you retarded faggot but you keep seething about people playing the new rules and you demand every new player plays bb2 and lrb6 with you even when most players and leagues left that shit behind a decade ago.>>98485799lizard players hate mirror marches because it's just who takes the first case. you are a fucking retard and you are misrepresenting what I said and lying because you are an illiterate esl retard.>>98485807they are going to be good unless the other guy has tackle or strip ball or gets lucky on getting knock downs and removals.>>98485828>>98485906mad you didnt get the last word?
>>98485962>a blood bowl post>in the blood bowl generalare you retarded ?
>>98485165Thank, that's a big omission; fixed version below. A 1st draft of the hangers-on rules is also included, but it's borderline useless at the moment since those sections of the books have not fully leaked>new Necromunda rules (transcribed version)gofile dot io/d/R1Wqtc
>>98485971>in the blood bowl general>the "blood bowl" general>general>for blood bowlPerhaps I'm wrong, but I thought this was the specialty games thread, not the blood bowl general.
>>98485984a distinction without a difference
>>98485984the /coopg/ of /tg/
>>98485964I can get the last word just youre that retarded shown by your other perspectives on the game that its not worth trying to reason with you as you cant even understand my or the other anons criticisms of your flawed logic. additionally you waste time on minor grammar or spelling errors despite making several yourself as if it makes a difference whilst also claiming a UK anon is ESL for saying 'shite' instead of shit. completely irrelevant. Its just shitting up the thread in a futile attempt to reason with akin to playing Chess with a pigeon who proceeds to shit on the Chessboard. You fundamentally dont understand how you are wrong or how the game work, hence its funnier to just bait you with (Yous) given youre malding like mad even at people getting annoyed at you that arent involved like >>98485962 and other posts. >>98485921>no Nagi wifeWhy even live?
>>98486017>GifI need to watch this show already.
>>98485964Yes we all see how much you really, truly, absolutely, definitely do not care.Which is why you spend thread after thread spazzing out about it.
>2 uncs crashing out
>>98471767Could simply do the front and back of the model.Shoulder to shoulder like in old warmachine, mark the base or even just use the facing.Just to name the most common ways to determine facing. But no slopmunda goes for 360 vision.
>>98486073Why do you talk like that?
>>98486175
>>98486171>>98471767I hate myself for saying anything positive about this piece fo shit paypiggy release, but...360 vision is the most sensible on the tabletop, the miniature is an artistic representation of the unit, the base itself is the playing piece.If you want facing in the game, a round base is the most retarded way to go, gotta be square or hex for that shit.
>>98486017>muh last wordnah, it pseudo intellectual retard and you're trying to use the >muh you're too dumb argument because you lost and now need something without having to actually defend your position. you dont even know marking people is called basing.>minoryou legit write like an esl. at first I was joking but the way you fuck up sentence structures and verb conjugation is legit esl. your posts read like they were Google translated from another language>bongistanthey speak jeet in bongolia, not English.>it's just baityou are mad as fuck>muh other guythey/them is just mad we are talking about blood bowl and not whatever faggot game they/them play like necromunda or kill team or whatever. the difference is I just skip nonblood bowl posts because I don't care about faggot games.>>98486043I'm just calling a retard a retard. if lizards weren't op they wouldn't have nerfed them twice, naf tournaments wouldn't intentionally make them weak and gw wouldn't have made a whole new team with a similar play pattern but with-2 make across the board. I find it ironic that that one retard seethes about gw>making new rules for money, freebut doesn't recognize a lot of the 3e expansion teams before gw abandoned blood bowl were intentionally over powered to sell more minis >>98486073zoom zoom zoom
>>98486235>360 vision is the most sensible on the tabletopanon wargames have been doing facing with round faces for decades now.Even fucking Mordheim players have no issue with round bases. If you are too retarded to produce facing from a round base, maybe you should not be playing a wargame.
>>98486254Enjoy gif, didnt read your larp cope>>98486265You forget that the average GW games player now thinks vehicle armour facing was really clunky.
>>98486436sure thing, homo
>>98486265Just because I can do facing on a round base doesn't make it any less retarded, facing/los should NEVER rely on the miniature, so it should only be done with square or hex bases.
>>98467742This is the coolest thing ive seen in a long time. Amazing cloaking effect. Not sure why but Syndicate wars popped into my head when i seen this, not thought of that game in like 20 years.
We should honestly kick bloodbowl boomers out and make them make their own general thread, as a game it has the least in common with everything else that belongs here, it's a fucking joke game about fantasy Sportsball of all fucking things when the rest of the stuff is proper wargames. Fuck off with your gay ass goyball slop.
>>98485745GW had retards at the studio to design their million dollar project, with 0 prior experience designing a game. The result is an unsubstainable game with extremely bloated mechanics that they constantly have to patch with new deck building rule and a convoluted ban/limited list.So here come new edition, it's a total reset, half of the warbands got deleted, warbands got stripped of their power into a more limited form, so the cards become the main powerhouse now, and with that warband exclusive decks also got removed. Depend on how the designers feel that day your warbands either have a good (but limited) rule, or just a really shitty generic one. Price also got hiked up the ass, deck and warbands also sold separatedly now so the upfront investment for a starting playing got double/tripled than before.Overall it's a sidegraded for new edition, while the gameplay "feel" more free, the potentially shitty warband design because designer didn't feel creative that day, the extreme price hike, the card art got removed and replaced with miniature photoshoot. And knowing designers are retards and will turn it into another bloated mess in a few years with another reset looming in the horizon. I think you should stay away from this shit and just stick to collecting the (more and more expensive) miniatures, hopefully not in eye-bleaching colored plastic.
>>98486949It's the best tactical skirmish wargame and the best campaign system of all GW IP's
>>98487014>tactical skirmish wargameIt's fucking sports faggotry, you hit around a ball. Fuck off.
>>98487030You're a hell of a retard if you can't look past the aesthetic and see the fucking mechanics, 90% of the game is combat, many players don't even give a shit about the scoring.
The two brown baboonoids who've been howling at each other about Blood Bowl for a month need to take it to DMs on Discord or Truth Social. No one cares. It's not healthy to get this worked up over a videogame, losers.
>>98487102Wait has he been moaning about lizardmen for a month? I only came in to look at Necromunda stuff initially and joined in thinking it was the start of the topic.
>>98487102>videogameNewfag
>>98484185Oh goody, I can't wait for lots of Sekrit Alien Squidmen stuff instead of actual gangers.
>>98484398Unironically picrel. Bravo.
>>98484699Modern Spyrer might as well not exist because the models are pure shit. The worst case of "art fixing"
>>98486265I played a lot twenty years ago and it was always a little awkward if your gaming group had anyone who cared about winning. There's a 10-30 degree range where they'll argue over it. Same with being in different levels of cover. Both are gone and I assume it's because GW has gotten used to their games being played by tryhards.
>>98485763Why do Elven Union and Slann see so little play compared to other high win rate teams?
>>98488257If you like WHFB elves, you're probably going to pick high, dark, or wood elves. Elven Union is a BB-only thing that you'll find out about once you've already started and it's too late. Slann don't have a box. I'm not even sure how official they are. The general public isn't printing minis or going to Etsy as much as we are.
>>98484171I reckon games would usually turn out that way. One player is going to stick his head out first and get slaughtered, but I don't mind that.It's the same in Magic commander where you're 4 players. I'm usually the player breaking stalemates because I always enjoy a bit of mayhem. My mates and I used to have all day battles of 40k where we just used every model we had. We also always left the killed units on the board tipped over. Good fucking times man. Some of the best in my life.>chaotic funSounds perfect to me.
>>98487610>it was always a little awkward if your gaming group had anyone who cared about winning2bh if youre playing Necromunda with anyone who truly cares about winning its gonna be aids anyway
>gangs stripped of most of their distinctive styles>every fighter type starts with the same skill>enhittified rulesEvery preview and leak of N26 just makes it look worse and worse. Fuck it, i'm gonna take up Trench Crusade instead. At least that has good game design and some soul to it instead of whatever slop N26 is turning out to be.
>>98488921I'm surprised you can even find souls in TC, the game is just Edgy shits : Edgity McEdge. The setting make no sense, the guy who made the game are just wannabe GW 2.0.
>>98488934>the guy who made the game are just wannabe GW 2.0.not that anon you are responding to, but the guys who made TC are mostly old GW hands that split off from GW.
>>98488921>Advertiser Begone
Usually I really like the star player and big guy sculpts, but I am not a fan of the new morg n' torg model. I think I will stick with a printed one I have. The only other time I was not a fan was dribblesnot and fungus. Not sure why, but the sculpts for those and the new morg don't seem interesting.
>>98487610>I played a lot twenty years ago and it was always a little awkward if your gaming group had anyone who cared about winning.>troonament mindset>has issues with basic rulesSo many cases.
>>98488974Its a shame bc its a good system with cool models, its a victim of its own useless fanbase who are mostly secondaries who don’t actually play.
>>98486917Did people really regress on their intelligence? We never had issues with facing in decades. Anyone having a problem with it was in all honesty too retarded to be playing in the first place.
>>98488974Yes i know, and they're complete off the rocker lunatics.
>>98489136like above, necromunda just sucks if you try hard. it always breaks to spam, in every edition. honestly, every good wargame fails if you min max. the reason warhammer is boring is purely because they have slimy rules lawyers trying to argue that you doesn't actually mean me. >>98489138honestly. i still think the game is neat enough, but just the instant cash grab fuck the community attitude that little manlet has puts me off ever playing
>>98489178They peaked with Mordheim desu >>98487261prety much
>>98489257>little manletMy issue with the guy is that fucker is ashamed of being short.Have some dignity for fuck sake
>>98486949blood bowl is the only good GW game you homo
>>98487030>>98487109go make your own general for your own faggot games no one plays. blood bowl is based>>98484398>>98487255blood bowl also has a ton of fan made teams. like multiple teams like the imperials, black orcs and khorne are just reskinned and slightly modified fanfic teams gw got off of fumbbl. one of the official orc changes in 2016 or 2020 came from plasmoid, the guy who made berts which then became imperials. he might have done the human change too that was official for a little while before GW got mad and changed it because they said the mini didn't fit his change
>>98487610The funny part is that they'll just argue over other things now. We have tournament players still getting in fights to this day and it's not even over armour facings, scatter dice, templates, etc.
>>98490226MESBG clears
>samefag
>>98490283Reason why the "muh balance" argument is pointless.The issue was never the ambiguity of the rules, but the mentality of the player. I've seen people bitch and moan about chess rules and those have been the same thing for decades now.
>>98488385>>98488257Slann aren't an official race and they also kind of suck and play weird. idk why NAF keeps giving them support, they're the only 3rd party race that's NAF league and their gimmick is they can all leap so if you aren't used to playing them it's hell. pro elves are the worst elves. they don't have the speed or a war dancer of wood elves and they don't have the armor dark elves and high elves have (also nuhigh elves have claw which makes them top tier vs bash teams).each NAF tournament uses a rules pack that dictates roster gold and skills and these rulespacks can differ from tournament to tournament. people only play pro elves if they are incorrectly tiered and get too much stuff because then they are the best munchkin elf team. the same thing historically happened with humans where prior to the 2025 buffs you only saw people take humans when they got a really strong rules pack that gave them a ton of extra skills. this also artificially inflates their win rates. The other reason someone might take pro elves is if they're playing in a squad of X number of players and each player in the squad needs a different race. generally the 4 elf teams and skaven are highly favored in NAF style tournaments because you need to win games and you need AG4+ to give you agency to get the ball back and win instead of tie. If someone scores on turn 8 of their own drive orcs or necro are fucked, they can't score quick and turn the other guy over and score, but AG4+ can. pro elves tools in general are weird, sidestep is annoying but isn't blodge, leap or claw. wood elves have a better 1 turner too so pro elves are just good at like elf v elf or 2/3 turn short drive scoring due to catch and nerves of steel, but all elves are good at doing that and high elves aren't much worse at one turning>>98490285I don't even know what that is, homo
>>98490321>I don't even know what that is, homoNewfag
>>98490308The best ruleset was the friends we made along the way
>>98487610>>98488660>>98489136>>98490283Blood Bowl currently has/had that for a while due to GW doing an ass job at writing the text of the rules so everyone knew what they meant but fags would argue about the letter of the text if they thought it would benefit them
>>98485962And not a single message by Koopa
>>98490308Yeah pretty much, only issue is that the players with an awful mentality are being catered to in many systems. Then again, if you talk to some of them, you can see why: one player I played with in Necromunda who treated it like a competitive game was very proud about how he purchased over a dozen chicken walkers for his tourney list.
>>98489953thats why i call him a manlet every time. manlet is a state of mind not a state of bodyhim in 4 inch platforms next to the girl without shoes on is just the funniest photo
>>98489017the one foot troll is notoriously bad. I think it's cool you can mix and match morg and the other 2 have mutation options >>98490326cause I ignore gay games?
>>98490414>>98490336It is really weird seeing the competitive tryhard focus for games that are not meant for it. Whenever me and my friends do a friendly game or league for bloodbowl, we generally let any stunty team hire whatever star player as a joke to see what would work. You usually get the stadnard allowing griff to work with halfings or gnomes, but sometimes you get weird combos like rodney and sheepskin in the same list to see how well they do together. but you still get people who piss and moan about how they are not allowed now or about how stunty teams should not be allowed as it is not taking the game seriously enough. Sometimes you get people who really get pissed off over fouls or chainsaws from goblin teams and that opens up another can of worms. >>98490433The plastic troll being so much worse is why i am glad i have the resin one.
>>98490433>cause I ignore gay games?Retard
>>98490564homo>>98490524fouls and memesaws are literally an intended game mechanic. people get way too hung up on the aesthetic part of fouls. teams like goblins literally cannot compete without fouling
>>98490691>homok
>>98490414Yeah, the comp head in my last Necromunda campaign was a serial trading post abuser. Half of his guys had cameleoline and multiple chaos familiars making them impossible to fucking hit so every scenario would be him picking off my gangers one by one. I made it a goal to kill ONE of his since thats all I could reasonably accomplish. Was terrible.Hopefully with the downtuning of a lot of items and abilities in N26 we see less of that kind of shit, but ofc there will still be powergamers.
>>98490756I'm hoping so too, I am very cautiously optimistic about the new edition, it feels a little like we're getting less wargame and more boardgame in the same vein as 40k but hey what do I know.
>>98489017I think it's pretty cool how you can make him Imperial, Chaos or Orcs.
>dad and I have been painting warhammer models forever>always wanted to play with him because he’s my dad>after 25 years of living, finally get to play Shadow War Armageddon with him>he made terrain and his own kill team>he immediately rages and sits there like a huffy puffy bitch>plays aloof like “heh oh is it my turn… hm… I’ll just put everyone on overwatch”Never fucking doing this again. I live in fucking Niggerville so there’s no LGS’s or fans around who aren’t my dad.What a disappointment.
>>98492701Please tell me he cracked wise about fucking your mother.
Finished my blood bowl pitch
>>98493306Very well done, the symbols for turn and reroll are especially nice and immediately discernable as to their meaning and how the chart functions.
>>98492701When people got told SWA is a brutal game nobody believed it until they got some games going. You and your dad should move on to modern chill game like Warcry.
>>98493306>>98493385>only having 8 rerolls
>>98485980I noticed that you're missing the long range and Str values for the cawdor polearm autogun. it should have long range 24" Str 3.
>>98485980Minor spelling error In the downtime part of the rules, says bottle should be battle.
>>98493306That looks nice. I get a middle ages fair vibe. I really like.
how do i get necromunda going in my local community
>>98494193Yes, given that you can only use 1 per turn there is no need for more, IIRC the videogames wouldn't even let you buy more.
>>98495852Its a lot of heavy lifting on your end, you need to be the arbitrator (which isn’t particularly hard or anything), but its best if you plan everything so people can hop in with relatively low investment. So terrain, books, etc.
>>98495852>>98495994If you've got an LGS, it also helps to get the people that work there into it as well - they're more likely to put events on if they want to play.
>>98495922>given that you can only use 1 per turnyou can use unlimited rerolls per turn and have been able to do so for the past decade
>>98495075renaissance fair
>seems like the Necromunda journals are in the wildso there coming out the same week as Orks?
>>98493306Any plans to spruce it up or just going to leave it as is?
>>98495852If you have friends who play I would do some games at the LGS at a busy time so word can get out(one of the 40K guys mentioning it to a friend who has unused Necromunda minis etc). It helps to have a couple painted gangs so you can run demos for people. But in my experience going all in on a specialist game before you have a regular group will jinx you(I did this with TOW).
>>98496431No.
>>98496666That only matters if you don't enjoy painting and displaying minis in it's own right.
>>98496912yes. you've been able to use unlimited rerolls per turn since 2016
>>98497248Lmao, no.
>>98497433lmao yes. you can use unlimited rerolls on fumbbl and in bb3
>>98497482Off-topic.
>>98497482nta but they really let you use infinite rerolls in the new blood bowl rules? That sounds fucking awful.
How do orlocks look in nucrumunda? I bought the gang box off vibes
>>98499014they uhh... look like generic biker dudes?
>>98499014They dont have access to the most colorful weaponry, but they're quite reliableheavy stubbers are pretty great. relatively cheap RF weapons that don't need ammo dice in addition means the chance of it jamming are pretty lowthey go brrrrrrr
>>98498252You can use multiple rerolls in one turn, with the caveat that you can't reroll a reroll. So if you use multiple, they have to be for different failures. It's been true since 2020 and did not change in 2025.
I played one (1) single game of N17 and I already know that N26 is better just because of how they changed the Blaze rules, I don't know how you faggots keep bitching of changes in the while that kind of shit going around.
>>98499014In the past it was all about getting a bullet merchant, using special ammo, equipping wreckers with demo charges (blasting charges? I forget), and just doing the opposite of what your opponent is good at. Hard to say what this edition will end up looking like. They look good, though, especially in Ash Wastes. FW has a few resin female Orlocks, and if it's resin then it's usually easy to find on bootleg sites.
>>98499173Sounds very easy to abuse with high reroll teams to just put yourself in a winning position very early in the half
>>98499222In my experience it hasn't been an issue. Some of the best-performing teams (elves, amazons) have cheap rerolls (50k) but their positionals are better value than taking more rerolls. I've only seen a team take several when they're like, halflings or goblins. Fun teams, but they still don't have a high win percentage.
>>98499184Yeah, I'm happy with the changes. Maybe I'm on the fence about the lack of arcs except on vehicles... I want facing to be a thing, but I've played against people who wanted to argue over it when it anywhere near an arc line.
>>98499014They were the gambler gang before the new edition, their specialty involve around risk and reward. With Wreckers being one of the fastest fighter in the game.In current edition Orlock got hit pretty badly with their specialty not released yet and the wreckers being nerfed in stat, and unstable to template/blast weapon when boosting, the thing that you want them to use the most. But wreckers do gain a powerful skill, either way you will need some luck with advancement roll.Orlock still has the best upgrade kits among all gangs, you got everything you need. So they're pretty good for starting out.
>>98499184Well the "change" people was bitching about also related to the removed rules waiting to be sold and release again aka game being super early access for at least 1 year.
>>98499714Rules change. GW does not.
