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Not only human got mogged but so did the fighter class. KWAB

>>>/v/

>>98466406
Cope and seethe. You lost.

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>>98466401
Elves truly are the best.

Male human fighter was a meme which was very obviously carried by people who listened to D&D podcasts more than they played games. I've played in lots of different campaigns and I've had just as much fun with a human male fighter as I did with a female naiad assassin.
>>98466406
This is the heart of it though. It was really fucking /v/ carrying the meme. The whole thing took off because of that BG3 dev post.

What a huge pile of semitic socialist queerness.

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>>98466401
>BG3
vs
>DND Beyond
Same time frame which is neat. What was the BG3 data set size? This was apparently 1.2 million characters.
Different analysis of the same stuff noted
>Regardless of race or class preference, the most common character name in D&D Beyond was simply Bob.
lmao

>>98466401
>>98466404
>In the videogame human fighter is second to the "most OP, and best RP build click video to learn more" option
That is not the win you think it is.
In D&D 3e development the devs talked about Human Fighter being the most popular option
In D&D 4e development the devs talked about how they made Fighter a bad damage dealer to encourage people to try the other classes since everyone prefers DPS in videogames.
In D&D 5e development they didn't talk too much about it, but implied most people gravitated towards the Fighter, which is why all of its less simple options got removed or made simpler.

>>98466401
If this chart is true why do game developers keep pushing freakshit?

>>98466591
You'll live.

>>98466620
>how does DEI investment work?

>>98466613
I don't think they give a full number, I saw that for the time frame the only number given was 1.3 million players completed the story.

>>98466693
Excuse me, but from what I see they typically do not consider fantasy races of any kind to be valid "diversity" and that only humans can be.

>>98466694
1.3 million is close enough we can work with that.
The odd part is only counting
>completed the story
compared to characters made. I suspect if we included characters made at all in BG3 the number would be fuckhuge but start getting into people using it only for the fun of the dressup doll for a bit rather than the game.
Still, might be able to note the difference between analogue dnd and BG3 having a different audience with some overlap, but notably different preferences in character.
The notable difference being, really, that being prittier was more popular in a visual medium. Who would have thunk?
Are we even allowed to sort by respondent gender anymore? Would be interesting to see that and cross reference.

>>98466401
That's for a videogame where your PC is required to be the Party Face most of the time and is the one doing dialogue 99% of the time.
Of course Paladin is the most popular/literally me/ class when it's been the designated protagonist class for decades AND is Charisma based so you're actually able to pass the hundreds of Persuasion checks.

It's exactly the same as it was 20 years ago with Neverwinter Nights. Paladin was also the most popular class for soloing the campaign and DLC because you're good at all the social checks while also having buffs and the ability to stand still whacking shit in melee.

If anything the fact Fighter is the third most popular after Paladin and Sorcerer is extremely impressive for a videogame

>>98466694
>>98466765
its pretty typical for people not to finish the game
there are RPGS out there where only 80% of people killed their first enemy

>>98466401
male human fighter is a contradiction where its simultaneously in danger of dying out and needs to be shilled to protect it
while also being the clear favorite of the masses and only contrarians would ever pick anything else

What's the differmermence between a cleric and a paladin?

>>98466613
>5.5+ million players
vs
>1.3 million players
You lost.

>>98466827
Human male fighters complain about snowflakes while being the biggest snowflakes themselves. Nothing new.

>>98466619
What? 4E's Fighter wasn't a bad damage dealer.

>>98466831
Paladin is a martial warrior with a little spellcasting and a bunch of passive divine blessings. Cleric is a full divine caster equivalent to Wizard or Druid. It's like the difference between a Ranger and Druid.

>>98466613
>What was the BG3 data set size?
Absolutely fucking enormous, the game sold over 2.5 million copies during its early access, and well over 25 million from release to now.

>>98466831
In 5e?

Going supernova and ruining your DM's carefully planned encounter in one turn.

In 3.5?

You play a cleric, get weapon feats to use real weapons, and LARP as a Paladin instead. In all cases.

>>98466857
>>98466874
>>98466694
So which was it?

>>98466401
>Source: Journal of Homosexual Activities article titled "Faggotry and Tabletop Gaming" by James de Poofer Cumguzzler III

>>98466900
OK, this was a launch weekend infographic, and you can work backwards to determine how many there were total. 7% of players made Origin characters and 93% made custom characters. Origin characters were: 27784 Gale, 22514 Karlach, 22286 Astarion, 15966 Shadowheart, 14862 Wyll, 11765 Lae'zel or 115177. So if you extrapolate that's 1,530,208 fully custom PCs, or 1,645,386 PCs total.

>>98466954
big respect for mathing it up anon

>>98466613
>48,740 human-fighters / 1,204,252 total characters
>4% (rounded up)
Yeah, pretty popular choice.

>>98466900
You can literally see the numbers in both pictures
>Male human fighters now JOBBING to infographics

>>98466954
>1,645,386 PCs total
As a launch stat compared to a rolling stat with DND beyond right? Man we are not a common form of nerd.
>>98466968
4% out of that many options is notable and interesting to compare to the next two choices, which are less than 4% combined.
>dwarf and dragonborn
Elf ranger looks like it was the next most popular, then elf rogue and elf wizard. Just pays to be pretty.
>>98466996
Not in as easily quantifiable manner. There were other anons bringing in data from different sources or maybe just reading the article for all I know.
It does bring in why bother comparing video game audiences to ttrpg audiences or maybe a more interesting comparison of crossover and which choices happened there. You're stuck on some weird shit about mogging, which is already unc.

>>98467021
Why would anyone care about muh specifics when the purpose of this post is showing that human male fighters are shitposters that forced a shit meme and people actually enjoy playing as other races more? All images and info so far supports that.

>>98467040
>more people play videogame dnd than analogue dnd
>people who like moving pictures like pretty moving pictures
>news at 11!
Thanks for the insight champ. I'm sure it'll go down in history as an epic own of whatever it is you're mad about that's renting your hindbrain.

>>98467058
Nice cope bro. But see >>98466968
>inb4 jobs to math again

>>98466860
Yes but who's going to fact check anything anyone says about 4E on /tg/?

>>98466613
>the most common character name in D&D Beyond was simply Bob.
This is proof that the "human fighter" influx was just made by people who don't give a shit about the game and just want to murder hobo.

>>98466619
>In D&D 4e development the devs talked about how they made Fighter a bad damage dealer to encourage people to try the other classes
Why is this a constant thing with game developers of just kneecapping something JUST because its popular even if its fairly balanced or even weaker then everything else?

>>98467209

It's because they want to push people into the changes immediately rather than organically waiting for the playerbase to shift, which results in balance passes or supplemental fixes to undo the over-corrections.
Knee capping fighters is retarded because it's the easiest class to get into, ergo entry level for new players, and it's also the class a lot of people can self insert with easily.
There's a huge charm to just being a mundane human fighter who uses a combination of courage, guile, skill etc to adventure.

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>>98466401
> Play Human
> Play Martial
> Develop a unique style based on favored loadout(s) and build focus
> Be unique and special because everyone is a fucking elf

It's like Death Battles where I want my favorite characters to lose (unless there is something very circumstancial going on like Gus (Berserk) vs. SoulEdge/Nightmare (Soulcalibur)) because the "loser" has less bullshit layers.

But, hey, feel free to celebrate finding yourself in the middle of the bellcurve.

>>98466404
>>98466401
BG3 isn't the tabletop game. In the TTRPG, the most common race-class combination is Human Fighter. Though really, this is mainly because the class and race are simple to understand and variant human in 2014 is overpowered.

>>98466831
Clerics cast spells and occasionally hit things.

Paladins hit things and occasionally cast spells.

>>98467501
Except that human is still the second most popular in BG3
And in 5e, it was the number one and by a huge margin

There is nowhere where human is close to rare

>>98466401
I always avoided it because of the meme. But now that I'm actually playing one (kinda)*, it's been pretty fun.

*It's Star Wars 5e set during the Clone Wars so players could be Jedi. I chose to be a Clone Trooper.

>>98466401
>video game
>has only select roleplaying options in conversations
>people gravitate to the characters that will give them interesting things to choose in conversations

>TTRPG
>roleplaying options are only limited to your own ability to improv and, ROLE play
> So literally any character option gives the same freedom to roleplay

The Human Male Fighter is therefore not inherently less interesting than any other option at the table. Most players who choose odd fantasy races and "interesting" classes generally fail to make the character itself interesting. Or just play them as the bundle of cliches the 2 paragraph description in the book tells them to with no deeper or more interesting roleplay.

>>98467209
>>the most common character name in D&D Beyond was simply Bob.
>This is proof that the "human fighter" influx was just made by people who don't give a shit about the game and just want to murder hobo.
The thing is that what other name could it possibly be? John? Let's say that you come up with a cool, thematic, fitting name for your human fighter, like Octavius or Victor. Well, if I come up with a cool, thematic fitting name for my human fighter, it's not gonna be the same as yours, it'll be something different, like maybe Raiden or Seven Devils Clever. Only super generic names like John, Bob, or Jane can possibly be the most popular name.

>>98466620
They're not "pushing it." The players like it. That's why tieflings, drow, and dragonborn outperform dwarves, gnomes, and halflings. Fuck, even githyanki do.

Fucking retard.

>>98467628
I think this just means that most character's are made by bored powergamers or GM's

>>98467631
I didn't save it because I'm not a /v/tard, but Larian had something of a conniption that human males were quite popular and they bemoaned that people weren't taking advantage of the character creation options that are, frankly, super fucking limited. But, you know, they worked hard on the handful of different types of horns you can have.

>>98467639
It's just a numbers game, nothing to do with "bored powergamers." The most common single result has to be generic, because non-generic results won't occur with frequency.

Imagine a list of 10,000 names. Even if most of them are cool names that the player put effort into picking out, there won't be (many) duplicates in that group. (There might be, like, a couple Houyis or something.) The only way to get duplicates is exactly what you would pick as like a generic stupid name. At best, you might get them naming themselves after some anime character like Kirito. More likely though, is that it's a hyper-generic or placeholder name like Bob.

>>98467662
That post was written by somebody who doesn't understand statistics. See above.

Elf and paladin supremacy. Based.

>>98467576
Incorrect. The great majority of players play other races. Even if no one plays one single race most than humans in the posted poll above they still play with something that is NON human. But it seems that human fighters snowflakes can't decide if they want to be super rare or super common. They just know they want to be special because they're insincere losers envious of the actual cool players who play fantasy races.

>>98466860
As more books came out it especially became amazing at it.
At launch/development they wanted it to feel like a MMO tank class, whether they succeeded or failed is irrelevant.

>>98467626
I also bet that at least half of the elf players played wood elves because they have the fastest movement speed of all playable races

>>98466401
5e isnt the best indicator of most of dnd census wise.
also bg3 isn’t 5e
>no bounded accuracy
>no dodge action
>no grappling
>mmo gear with set bonuses
>infinite consequence free resting, zero resource management
>basic weapon passives, actions every short rest (this one is good still not 5e)
>many classes are completely fucking different

>>98467685
>>98467628
You *might* have had a point if it wasn't tied to human fighter. Human fighter is just a meme made by murder hobos that freakshit players then use to justify to prove how nobody actually plays freakshit.

how many stories do you hear or games you encounter where you have that many human fighters or characters with boring mundane names?

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>>98467209
>This is proof that the "human fighter" influx was just made by people who don't give a shit about the game and just want to murder hobo.
Nah, there's been concerted effort to remove the human male fighter from dnd since before you were born.

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>>98466404
Paladin is fighter, we count those

We could take the higher elf paladin data to be a variety of things but the most amusing is that its a significant increase in people wanting to self insert as super aryan soldiers of god. Its a common enough trope and honestly a thing many get accused of or tropes both elves and paladins get lumped under a lot, so why not lean into it.
The player base is actually more racist, they're fantasizing about being tall blond supermen with divine powers to smite evil demons. Like tieflings.
I'm sure someone could make a
>grey npc face vs patrician face
about this.

>>98467698
No, we have the stats. Human Fighter is the most played combination in 5e. While I agree that the human fighter fags on /tg/ are annoying as shit you're also being an annoying little shit which makes you just as bad as those gigafaggots.

While yes, I enjoy non-humans myself when I play a fantasy RPG, there's something to be said about having the human element for contrast in a party. Like, my current 2024 group has one human and ironically they're the weird little freakazoid gremlin of the party, a moon druid, who's with a Thayan Bugbear Armorer Artificer who was basically too smart for his own good, a Silver Dragonborn Redemption Paladin of Bahamut (my PC) who's a good-natured dipshit, and a tiefling (don't know what kind) shadow sorcerer whose personality can best be described as "if they aren't my friends, they meet their end". With how relatively composed and normal the rest of us are, the human stands out for being a little gremlin who gets into everything and is suspicious of everyone.

And, personally, I like fighters. Not so much in 2024 where they're boring as fuck but 2014 fighter was alright and seeing as I've overhauled all the 2024 classes the version of Fighter I've made is probably my second favorite class after Monk, though Paladin is winning me over since I grappled a bullette last session then punch-smited it in the head hard enough to knock it out with a crit.

>>98469164
>no bounded accuracy
I mean your stats still cap out at 20 and realistically there is an upper limit to how high your bonuses are going to get (unless you get mods involved).
>no dodge action
Because nobody used it anyway, the real crucial missing action is the Ready Action.
>no grappling
Because it's kind of shit, but there also sort of is. With Tavern Brawler you can use someone as an improvised weapon if you're strong enough, and you can also throw creatures, which are sort of both functions of grappling.
>mmo gear with set bonuses
Straight up not true, there are not, to my knowledge, any pieces of equipment that gain benefit from wearing the same pieces of armor. There are, however, magic items with more interesting abilities than in the tabletop.
>infinite consequence free resting, zero resource management
Also untrue without mods, you are limited by your camp supplies for long rests, and you can only take two short rests per long rest. Furthermore, depending on your choices, certain events can occur at camp that throw a wrench into things, especially in a Dark Urge playthrough.
>basic weapon passives, actions every short rest (this one is good still not 5e)
As of 2024, weapons now have Masteries which are very, very similar to the "weapon passives", and in some cases (nick) just objectively superior. Like I play with a mod that adds them, a dual wielding Champion Fighter/Thief Rogue with a dagger in the offhand is a crit fishing machine that can make four attacks per turn at level 3 (Main hand + two bonus action offhand stabs + nick attack).
>many classes are completely fucking different
This is because Larion didn't make the game scale to Level 20 and had to work within the limitations of vidya, so for example Wild Shape got massively nerfed.

>>98469759
Nothing you said changes the fact bg3 is not representative of 2014 5e. It’s extremely easy to amass near infinite gold and food you can easily long rest before every fight. Larian has stated that bg3 took its own liberties with the system.

>>98469732
>Freakshit races are not popular, its human fighters!
>That is why you only ever see freakshit at D&D games and only hear stories about them
the damage control does not end

>>98469839
>Confirmation bias? Never heard of it.

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the first fantasy novel, Lord of the Rings, proved it without a doubt - elves are the greatest of races.

The human male fighter humiliation in this thread is going pretty well. Please continue.

>>98466401
These arent surprising at all considering how ugly a lot of the character options are.

>>98469886
>I checked, don't have any.
It is too bad people can't talk about interesting data sets without trying to leverage it for some bullshit political thing.
It would be neat to see the class/race breakdown of the OP pic but they're just here to bait.

Rolled 1, 2, 3, 4 = 10 (4d4)

Rolling for penis length

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>>98466401
>meme
lol
lmao

>>98466613
>all those faggy races
>human fighter reigns supreme
Faggots must be seething so hard

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>>98470066
that's a male human cleric though

>>98466401
>>98466404
I did that though
I made an elf paladin (and gave her an uncircumcised cock and full bush)

>>98466404
Not only is the Paladin sword and board, but they are a crusder which is even MORE le chud-coded, Sorcerer is next because it's the default class for the Dark Urge and is the secondly most le chud-coded class because it is the SUPERIOR UBERMENSCH class that is superior to all other beings for being born of magic, and Fighter being the third just proves just how popular sword and board is.

>>98466827
It’s the schizophrenia of those who don’t realize that this whole “argument” is being conducted by shitty players who treat their race/class combination as their sole defining personality trait.

>>98469436
>there's been concerted effort to remove the human male fighter from dnd
good

>>98469436
>>98471770
that isnt even an example of removing the human fighter, who were otherwise inside the book already and had plenty of art
it was an example of corporate forcing a decision to put them to put a human fighter on the cover and then taking out their frustrations by killing the specific human fighter mandated by corporate

its a cheeky joke at worst, and the fact that it was a fighter that was human was probably the least relevant part
if corporate had forced them to put gandalf on the front, they probably would have made art of gandalf being killed in all sorts of ways

>>98469993
"those stats are made up, but these stories I heard all the on the internet are fool proof" is perhaps one of the purest forms of confirmation bias

>>98469926
>elves are the greatest of races.
at being cocksleeves

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>>98469818
It is representative of it though? In so far as a video game adaptation can be.

>It’s extremely easy to amass near infinite gold and food
That's the case in the TTRPG as well. The GP amounts for later level starts are kind of insane. Like unless you're a wizard you do not need all that gold. And food is dirt cheap so it's incredibly easy to amass infinite food.
>you can easily long rest before every fight
You can do the same thing in 5e. It's called Leomund's Tiny Hut.
>Larian has stated that bg3 took its own liberties with the system.
In stating this, you admit that Larian did in fact base BG3 on 5e/2014 and ultimately, BG3's rules are no different than a GM running houserules. They're still built on the core mechanics of 5e.

>>98469839
>Freakshit races are not popular, its human fighters!
They're not the most common, which is different from being popular. We have hard numbers to back this up. Also Freakshit is a meaningless buzzword.
>That is why you only ever see freakshit at D&D games and only hear stories about them
You hear stories because nobody talks about the good times they have because those people have friends they play with and don't need validation from random literallywhos on the internet/don't care about farming content or replies. Also, you can discount like 99% of anything you read here because this board is full of nogames faggots. But the point remains, you hear about bad players because of what I said above, and the numbers flat-out state Human Fighter is the most commonly-played race-class combination in D&D.

If internet stories are what you believe, then here's one: every single game of D&D I've run has been majority human in terms of the PCs. with MAYBE an Elf, MAYBE. Fighters less so, but that's usually because it's another martial in its stead like a Monk or Barbarian or some homebrew I provided, or there's a half-caster like a Paladin that fills the same role in the party mechanically, so people deviate from playing a Fighter as a result.

You're also mistaking me for one of those obnixous HFY/Human Fighter faggots, which I am not. I'm just telling you how it is, the data for the actual TTRPG says that human fighter is the most common race-class combination for 5th Edition. You can't just go WOW LOOK AT MY CHART CHUDS THIS IS FACTS and then when you get given data for an entirely different game go NO THE CHART IS WRONG REEEE.

>No one plays fighter
>Rogue becomes incredibly weak because no one else in melee to flank an enemy and pull a sneak attack with
>Can only do one, MAYBE two encounters a day because the casters run out of spells, and are the only ones who can do any fucking damage
>Bard is completely useless except for high diplomacy/bluff, but that all gets negated because they do random crimes that cause them to lose all trust
>No one chooses to play cleric either because they're not interesting enough

The games I typically end up GMing.

>>98466404
>>98470666
The real reason for Paladin and Sorcerer being so high is that BG3 vastly rewards high Charisma for talking your way out of a lot of situations.

On top of that, Fighter is also nerfed in BG3 with Action Surge being worse and Sorcerer is buffed with Quicken Spell being better.

>>98466401
A character is interesting because it is roleplayed well, not because it occupies a specific class/race. If the player sucks at roleplaying, then switching to a rare race and an even rarer class will make no difference.

>>98466401
>>98466404
Now show me statistics with a race/class combo. I'm certain Human Fighter is top choice in there.

>>98472849
The game also immediately gives you a fighter and cleric party member.

>>98469926
there's two dudes in the entire line up which tells you everything you need to know about Japanese elves

>>98471785
>deep underlying bias and preference of the design team out of spite is a cheeky joke hahah
>pay no attention it conveniently aligns with my irl political bias

>>98472521
>It is representative of it though? In so far as a video game adaptation can be.

NTAYRT

Its in the same area, primarily because of overlap between ttrpg players and those same people being interested in the /v/ version.

It would be interesting to see a more qualitative study on how they became interested in BG3 and what the crossover is with ttrpgs and look at that group's preferences, then do a 5 years and 10 years later survey to see what stuck or changed over time.

For some reason or another I don't expect an easy time getting a grant for that sort of study.

>>98473222
This is just factually untrue. A human fighter is a nothingburger, and 99% of people who play them don't actually play a character.

A non-human, non-fighter comes with baked-in flavor and lore. For example, an Elf Paladin (as shown in OP's image) is more interesting by default because you have the aspects of an elf (timeless, aloof, arrogant) with the aspects of a Paladin (Devoted to a deity and oath, lawful, heroic) and the contrast between the arrogance and aloofness of the elf plays well with the heroism of the paladin, forcing the character into interesting situations where they have to wrangle their elvish nature to adhere to their moral code as a paladin.

A human fighter has none of that. A human fighter is a nobody with a race that has no culture, no tendencies in terms of personality, and a fighter can literally do anything as long as it involves fighting so it also has no clear flavor. There's nothing there.

>>98471785
Yeah, "ugh white men are so eww we need to make everything diverse and female yes sisters" is just a cheeky joke

>>98474567
None of that matters. A good player will create a backstory for their human fighter that has plenty of hooks for the GM, several events that impact how the character is played, and will play their character in a way that improves the session experience for everyone. A shitty player playing an elf paladin will just roleplay a human with pointy ears who doesn't know anything of their own supposedly interesting culture, and will routinely (and annoyingly) fail to understand, play out or even react to their Paladin duties. Arguing that an elf paladin is more interesting by default is ridiculous because it is the player that makes the character interesting by reacting to the background and traits of their character.
>humans have no culture
There's at least 3800 cultures on Earth, so your claim that such a character would have none is a consequence of them being a shitty player. Not them being a human. Basically every setting have a bunch of different human cultures to choose from while other races seem to have monocultures that are identical to one another even when separated by thousands of miles.

100% of this is on the player. It may be true that shitty roleplayers choose to play human fighters. I can't speak on that because I don't GM games that have classes. But the class and race in itself doesn't tilt things one way or the other. That's all up to the player.

>>98466536
it was well known before bg3

>>98467631
>>98467662
just because human males are the most popular doesn't mean that gnomes and dwarves are popular or that drow and tieflings are unpopular

besides, in a video game context you're counting millions of characters the player didn't care about and probably stopped playing after half an hour, in a dataset where only characters the game was finished with are counted i imagine it would be very different

>>98469886
>>98472542
Everytime I play D&D its freakshit
Everytime somebody talks about D&D here its freakshit
Everytime D&D pops up on youtube its freakshit
Everytime D&D is brought up by wizards of the coast itself its freakshit.

Also the more words you use big guy the more I am inclined to believe you just like to hear yourself talk and think the longer the paragraph the more "correct" you think you are.

>>98475020
>he's so mad he's already resorted to assuming everyone arguing against him is just one single person out to get him

>>98475041
And now you are making things up as I never once said or implied that. Cut the bullshit and level with me for a moment if you have any honesty left in your sniveling body. Why is it so important for you to downplay the fact that D&D is played by people who love to play as annoying colorful character as a stand in for personality? The only reason why I think that's the case is because your tourist noobie ass relates too much to them and feel threatened when called out on it.

>>98475060
>annoying colorful character as a stand in for personality
Tabletop is basically the only place where the imagination is truly your limit, since mass media like novels, comics, movies, and videogames all tend to force you to be or see the world through a standard human. It's not that hard, and your ire toward just comes off as the usual "people aren't playing the right way I want them to."

>>98470163
I can't imagine the crippling level of retardation needed to out yourself as having no imagination like that.

>>98475121
My problem in this particular instance is people insisting that "male human fighter named bob" is the most popular character to play as in genuine games when they have a single source without any details. I fully accepted if you want to play as something strange and queer that this is their game now. I just don't want these people lying about it is all.

>>98474996
Right, right . . . just like how Star Wars Acolyte and Star Trek Starfleet Academy were really popular shows that are much beloved despite the viewer counts.

>>98475188
which one of those had tieflings or dwarves

>>98469732
>No, we have the stats. Human Fighter is the most played combination in 5e.

You're intrepretation of the stats and the argument is inherently flawed. Human fighter is more popular than any other specific combination, but the "freakshit" combinations as a category vastly outnumber the amount of people playing human fighters, or even humans for that matter.

>>98475211
Look anon just because nobody watched those shows doesn't mean they're not popular. Just like how just because tieflings and dwarves get BTFO in the numbers doesn't mean they're unpopular. Literally it's the same picture meme territory here.

>>98475297
oh, i get it, you're just ignoring that tieflings actually are popular

>>98474581
>forced corpo sloppification is good when it aligns with my side of the culture war.

>>98475297
>Look anon just because nobody watched those shows doesn't mean they're not popular
I actually can't tell if you're being serious or not.

>>98475338
I only wish I was one of the people who got paid to say it.

>>98466401
>>98466404
Human is second, Fighter is third. This isn't really significant enough to be 'Mogged', unlike Gnome/Halflling or Cleric.

>>98475313
>Yeah? well in my hypothetical scenario I imagine you as a hypocrite, SO THERE

Is there something MAKING people like this?
Is this the result of a generation raised on Barney The Dinosaur and Common Core education?
Or is it just the result of dysgenic breeding?

>>98476860
it was a corporate mandate to put a human fighter on the cover
the writers didnt agree with it but did it anyways and then had a bit of fun killing the corporate-mandated mascot

why would you ever take the side of the corporation in this instance?

>>98476874
>everything has to be my /pol/ binary
They can both be wrong.

>>98477311
what binary are you talking about?
the writers didnt agree with the corporate mandate and then decided to have a bit of fun by killing the corporate-mandated mascot

they werent erasing human fighters, because they had plenty of them inside the book already
so they didnt think making them the mascot on the front page was really warranted and thus took the piss out on the corporate decision
why would anyone think they were in the wrong for doing this, when they fully complied with the corporate decision anyways and a human fighter ended up on the cover regardless

>>98471785
Why is 80% of your face taken up by your nose?

>>98474567
>There's nothing there.
And that's the point. It's why people who don't want to RP or aren't comfortable choose the combo, and they should be allowed to have a "I want less spotlight on me in the RP" button at character creation. I don't really see how some people think this is a bad thing.

>>98474567
>a race that has no culture, no tendencies in terms of personality, and a fighter can literally do anything as long as it involves fighting so it also has no clear flavor.
that just means you're a shit roleplayer

>>98477649
So you're saying it's the NPC Race/Class combo?

>>98477689
No, it's on the GM to establish the setting and what have you, and if they're using the Forgotten Realms, humans in that setting have no defined cultural identity, no defined personality traits, and nothing interesting about them. This is a feature, not a bug by the way.

As for Fighters, they are also incredibly fucking boring flavor wise, and as of 2024 mechanics wise. Why the fuck would I play a Fighter when I could play a Barbarian or Monk which are more mechanically interesting and come with more interesting flavor than "dude who hits things with a pointy stick a bunch of times per turn"?

>>98474888
It absolutely matters, because the character's backstory is reliant on the setting being used, and the Forgotten Realms treat humans as generic slop with no clear identity as a race from a flavor perspective. If the setting doesn't give you guidelines, you end up having to make up whatever, and that can lead to a character unfitting of the setting.
>several events that impact how the character is played
Nothing that a Barbarian, Monk, Rogue, or Paladin wouldn't do better.
>Arguing that an elf paladin is more interesting by default is ridiculous because it is the player that makes the character interesting by reacting to the background and traits of their character.
False. Something with intrinsic qualities will be more interesting by default than something without. Human Fighter is the Toast Sandwich of D&D.
>Food Analogy
Here's some food for you, eat this bag of cocks you insufferable faggot.
>There's at least 3800 cultures on Earth
Faerun is not Earth. On Faerun, humans have no clearly defined culture, society, or personality traits like other races. Humans should have a hard-coded niche but don't.
>But the class and race in itself doesn't tilt things one way or the other.
It absolutely does. It influences the character's place in the world out of the gate.

>>98474567
i hate baked-in lore, the best non-human races are the ones that can be used as humans

>>98477329
The one your brought in.

>>98477649
>people who don't want to RP
Human male fighter cucks admitting they can't imagine the apple in their head and are boring as fuck. Grim.

I dont understand, do people prefer to play in games where everyone is a custom race not found in the player's handbook? Like is your perfect party a changeling, a tabaxi, a haregon, a giff, and a dhampir?

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>>98478104
>>98479236
It's the entire point of humans as a race. Gygax had said as much. Humans are there so you can instantly make multiple assumptions and be correct, because they are the self insert vector.

>>98480088
Gygax said a bunch of retarded shit, this is just one more turd of an opinion on the pile.

Fuck self-insert faggotry. Learn to roleplay or fuck off back to writing shitty fanfiction.

>>98480088
>Self-insertion
Human male fighter cucks... I thought only SNOWFLAKES wanted to self-insert???

>pornbrains gate 3
Wrong board. Vidyatards are all porn addicts

>>98480110
Having faggy wings or tails does not make you a better roleplayer. They make you worse, frankly.

>>98480531
so true sister, now excuse me while I go revive the "bitches for Thulsa Doom" threads.

>>98480314
You're way behind on your rhetoric, man. With zoomids, if you DON'T self-insert you're a snowflake and a cuck.

This is how furries psyopped so much of gen Z and gen alpha into becoming furries- think larping as a dog fucking dogs is cringe? But YOU could be YOU, the CHAD fucking dogs in REAL LIFE!

>>98480531
newfag kun...

>>98480539
Having a race option with an actual defined culture and personality traits and a class with actual flavor and rules you have to adhere to do however, because your character is defined by their limitations instead of you being able to make the laziest shit ever.
>Here's bob the male human fighter he kills things for money
Bad character made by someone bad at roleplaying.

Human players in my experience exclusively select it for mechanical advantage, as humans tend to be busted.

>>98479236
>Human male fighter cucks
But I'm a GM? It should have been obvious from my post I'm not saying it from a player perspective, I want everyone to play at my table regardless of assumption (when possible)

>>98480777
And that in itself has been embarrassingly admitted in the past as deliberate because people are afraid humans won't be played.

So what you're saying is if I only play the same white male human fighter I am being unique. I am Joe Averyge, the eternal hero, the embodiment of the the human spirit in any dimension. I am a rock that the lesser races and professions shall be judged against.

>>98480763
Reddit really adopted the whole HFY movement wholesale huh?

>>98466401
When I played OSR and realized dwarf is the actual fighter class.

>>98480918
Most redditors are human. Just like you. You must be a redditor too.

>>98480918
I mean yeah, it's where it REALLY blew up and led to those intensely boring, stupid, and needlessly long HFY stories people now make fun of....

>>98480893
You're the opposite of unique. You've created an NPC. A bland gray blob with no personality, no culture, no history, no personality, no distinguishing mechanics, and no flavor. You might as well be playing a town guard.

>>98480918
HFY was always reddit. read the thread. all humanfags are unironic NPCs by their own admission

>>98480974
What will you say when my salt of the earth town guard character is more nuanced and endearing than your carefully crafted special oc?

>>98481011
People who claim this always fail to deliver.

>>98481068
When everyone is a special, the special one is the most normal

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>interesting
>elf

>>98481070
You responding with a boring platitude really drives home the "fails to deliver" part.

>>98480893
>>98481011
The problem with this logic is that falls apart in the literal OP of the thread
They are still the second most played species in BG3, hardly rare or unique and still ahead of stereotypical "snowflake" species like tiefling
And in 5e, they are the number 1 species by far

This is just another page in the saga of human fighter fanatics trying to spin their character as being rare and special while simultaneously being the one of the most widespread class/race comboes
Nevermind that being different and special is suddenly a good thing to be when its the human fighter but not when its a tiefling warlock

>>98481070
You say this despite human fighters still being the most widespread and most popular

>>98481089
My platitudes are still more interesting than your flaccid responses, so is my male human fighter town guard.

>>98481091
I guess I was playing the chad race/class the entire time

>>98481134
Man, not only are you boring, you hold no principles. You will never be a man.

>>98481150
He's an NPC, they can't hold any actual stances. They just kind of make noise.

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BG3 player doing some board tourism. If I actually played tabletop D&D, I'd likely play a tiefling. I just think they're neat. I would never want to play a small race, including dwarves. I'd be open to playing a hobgoblin or bugbear if they were made available but my understanding is that you'd have to convince the DM to allow anything beyond what's in the PHB.

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>>98481162
And yet here you are, yapping in anger over my generic human male fighter while I get things done through common sense, low guile, simple ingenuity, or human grit. My character is an avatar for the human spirit, yours is a base delusion.

>>98481194
You are literally so angry you've started posting chad pictures.

>>98481194
No.

Silly subhumans with silly professions, human male fighters are the standard.

>>98481194
I've cast web on the ghouls, have at it man

>HUMAN MALE FIGTHER ARE THE MOST COMMON!!!!
>HUMAN MALE FIGTHER ARE THE MOST RARE!!111
The human male figther cucks are buck broken and dont know what lie to spit

>>98481697
>>HUMAN MALE FIGTHER ARE THE MOST COMMON
is just a factually true statement

while
>HUMAN MALE FIGTHER ARE THE MOST RARE!!111
is an untrue statement

>The human male figther cucks are buck broken and dont know what lie to spit
they live in a persecution complex where they simultaneously believe that playing the same thing everyone else plays makes them normal, and normal is good
but at the same time believing that they are being daring rebels for playing a normal human when everyone else plays a non-human

this requires both believing a factually untrue statement, even though believing that human fighters are normal implies that they recognize the reality that they are actually very common
but it also means they do derive pleasure from being different from other even if they have to engage in a cognitively dissonant worldview that they are both normal people making normal choices while also being very special people making uncommon choices

>take memes seriously and get into fights with strangers on the internet

>>98481697
>>98481714
Not one of those, forever gm so I get to run everything, but you're either ignorant enough of what you're mad about or purposefully missing the point to spin.
A group can be a majority but still suffer at the hands of a centralized authority and media push. This is not specific to right, left or any other sort of american /pol/ nonsense. I'm sure your addled brains can come up with some examples that you like as well.

>>98482577
Acting like playing a human fighter makes you different and special compared to everyone else who plays a tiefling paladin and then immediately turns around and says that they are normal and everyone else is a snowflake for playing anything else requires cognitive dissonance to believe human fighters are both incredibly rare and common simultaneously

>>98482582
Yeah you're doing the pretending not to understand or being autistic thing. Your call. Your reply will announce your status regardless of your intentions.

>>98481011
It won't happen, because they're a nobody with no grounding in the setting, no personality, no family or friends, and their only goal is to kill things and make money, because that's all Human Fighter fags ever make. They don't want to engage with half of the game.

>>98481070
Syndrome fallacy. When everyone is special, everyone is special. And really, Player Characters are inherently special.

>>98481181
Depends on the GM and the setting they're running. On the very rare occasion I run D&D, I homebrew entirely new races/species options to use with an entirely original setting and provide the players with a quick primer with all the basic info they need and keep open to questions if they want to/need to know more. Because that's what a good GM does.

>>98481697
The truth is they're all people who grew up with 3.PF and made super speshul snowflake OCs in their youth, and rather than own their cringe and go "yeah that was cringe but I've learned how to make more interesting and nuanced characters now" they jump to the other extreme because they, like their characters, are retards who dumped INT and WIS and so they make the most boring, bland, unoriginal character possible with no friends, family, or backstory who only cares about loot and money because it's the opposite of what they used to do. It's like those politicians who are anti-gay and then it turns out they've been having gay sex for years behind closed doors, the most vocal opponents of something tend to be the most guilty.

>>98482588
Whats not to understand?
Human fighters are just constantly bemoaning about how they are secretly the special ones for daring to be normal in an abnormal cast of characters when the statistics clearly show that human fighters arent just common they are dominant

Its a mindset that wants to be seen as special while still wanting to be recognised as part of the majority

>>98482595
>can't understand two things at once in tension
Autistic it is. Thanks for participating.

I just don't like tieflings.

>>98482600
You cannot be both oppressed and considered the norm. Anyone who says otherwise is a grifter with a victim complex who wants to blame anyone other than themselves for their current place in life.

>>98482577
>I'M SUPER SPECIAL AND AT THE SAME TIME I'M SUPER NORMAL AND AT THE SAME TIME I'M SUPER GOOD AND BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. BUT THE REST ARE THE SNOWFLAKES!!!!
Explain to me how this is not a contradiction from cucks who are unironically envious of the quirky tiefling players

>>98482594
>"The most vocal opponents of the thing tend to be the most guilty"

Is absolute leftie retard cope.

By that logic, anything you oppose vigorously, you can also be accused of.

It's actually uniquely satisfying to see a hypocrite brought down.

But you reveal your own hand, because you must tacitly believe -everybody- is a hypocrite.

And the soul a man knows best is his own.

>>98469839
>That is why you only ever see freakshit at D&D games and only hear stories about them
In other news, literally the only thing that happens on the road are car accidents and the only thing that ever happens in schools are 24/7 mass shootings. I mean why else would we only hear stories about those.

>>98482905
>Is absolute leftie retard cope.
its actually extensively backed up in psychological studies
people who have internalized a hate for something that also includes themselves, they tend to compensate by increasing their own vocal opposition

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formation
people are literally hardwired to give responses opposite to what they actually think pretty frequently, its called reaction formation

>By that logic, anything you oppose vigorously, you can also be accused of.
by this logic, you should be really, really critical of people who scream the loudest about something
which is pretty common sense

>>98472849
>>98474274
and the only paladin companion is an evil character that you can only recruit in the second act and you have to chaotic stupidly kill half of the first act NPCs to make her like you

>>98482950
You have taken a pathology, and made a generality of it.
You have turned it into "You must secretly want to fuck spiders".jpg

"Studies Show" that the replicability of research papers gets worse by the year, and our institutions are infested with ideologically possessed cretins taking money not even under, but ABOVE the table, as if officiating their corruption makes falsified data credible.

Cambridge just fired a chap, it was rather high profile, you should look into him, and that Claudine Gay lady in America.

And frankly "Screaming the loudest" might indicate that there is something happening that you should look at.

How about you stop trying to simplify the world into generalities?

If you applied your idea axiomatically, you would be accusing anybody who kicked up a fuss of the thing itself.

"Help, that child is being kidnapped, why is nobody doing anything!?"
"Why are you making such a fuss, you RAPIST?"

And therein we have a cold sliver of realization.
People like you actually DO act like that.
And so, we get British police arresting fathers trying to rescue their daughters from Pakistani sex dungeons.

I await my incoming 24 hour ban, as I am experienced enough to know that I'm going to get report spammed for pushing back in a political discussion I did not initiate.

>>98483097
you know the replicability crisis is a problem of funding, not test design, right?

>>98483107
Ah yes, if only we had infinite money we could prove anything.

>>98466404
The only thing more powerful than Ranger hate is the fedoralord.

>>98466401
Show the data for a real game like 3ed or something similar. Your claim is that of a "when do you realise that in the gay sceen clubs the drug of choice is X, why drink beer and smoke Newports?"

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>>98466613
Made a data analysis project for uni last year using this data set. It was loads of fun.

Top 10 races were:
Human: 208638
Elf: 158658
Half-Elf: 94449
Dwarf: 74178
Dragonborn: 70958
Tiefling: 69676
Halfling: 49877
Half-Orc: 44972
Genasi: 39299
Gnome: 36646

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>>98466401
More people would play the bottom half races if they didn't look so weird and ugly in the game. I can imagine a really cool gnome in a game of pathfinder but when I play bg3 and make a gnome he looks like a gay little pervert.

>>98479233
>>98474581
Who was it that brought culture war shit up again?

>>98491042
>I can imagine a really cool gnome in a game of pathfinder

All the Pathfinder gnome art makes them look like horrific disproportional freaks, as if a cartoon had come to life.

>>98480763
People will feel far more empathetic towards a dog dying in media than a person, thesis destroyed.

>>98491079
It's cause they look like children otherwise.

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>>98470458

>>98491074
Right about
>>98466401
or so.

The DEATH of the human male fighter meme is being enjoyable.

>>98491113
They should just bite the bullet and make them look more childlike... At the very least give them more functional proportions.