>person in front is hip deep in grasses
>everyone else behind her is ankle deep at most
The perspective is fucked the more I look at it

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>>98467832
maybe he's a total manlet?
Union confirmed utopian because he didn't kill himself

>>98467832
Those are mechs in the background. They just look like dudes in suits because abbaddonnn is breaking the right wing chud-centric paradigm of the mecha community by designing them to look like utter ass instead.

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>>98467987

>>98468134
I'll try harder when that fat fetish faggot learns to draw mechs

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>>98468153
spotted a tourist who's never played a Lancer campaign
90% of the time you'll be looking at retrograde sprites and that's assuming your party won't just largely ignore default look for their mechs.

>>98468224
I've been wanting to move to in person. Do people even make mech models that aren't /toy/shit? I'm really struggling to find 28/35mm models/stls that look decent

>>98468224
>you're not allowed to criticize muh lord and habibi tom bloom aka tummylover because his shitty app hides his shitty art behind deep fried pixelslop
That's quite the esoteric cope you've got there. Or should I call it paracausal cope since that word gets thrown around like plot hole spackling in the corebook?

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How do I make this the good guy?

>>98468255
You really overestimate how much this guy matters to the game.
It may be that it was his name that initially put Lancer in the spotlight, but he hasn't been relevant in a long time.
Just about everyone except for most diehard discord trannies just ignore whatever parts of the lore don't suit them and just plays the game.

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Why do Tech builds feel so shit in this game? When enemies do Tech to you, you take like 8 heat in a turn and kill yourself.

When you do Tech attacks to enemies they take 2 heat and you MAYBE get to make their turn slightly more annoying if they want to avoid taking more heat... which of the time they don't because enemies have huge heat caps compared to players.

Like, am I just retarded, or is Tech just not meant to be used by players? There is no situation in which I would ever choose to spend an action on a Tech attack over a weapon attack.

>>98468602
It's not you, most tech sucks because of a basic design principle. The main goal of tech is to disrupt a target's turn Because enemies constantly outnumber players, a player spending a turn to disrupt an enemy turn us a net loss for the players, as their turns are more limited and inherently worth more. This is why games like D&D usually have the high level control magic hit multiple targets. Tech attacks do not.

Add to this the fact that Tech's main way of discouraging certain enemy actions is Heat, which most enemies don't care about... yeah.

Add to THAT the fact that there are tons of mods, core bonuses, talents, etc to improve weapon combat and none of that for Tech builds and it becomes pretty obvious that Tech was added to the game purely as a way for NPCs to deal with high-evasion or high-armor PCs. All the Tech content that made its way to the players is nerfed and neutered by comparison.

>>98468602
sounds like you're trying to do the wrong thing with them. tech isnt nukes. its control. its meant to lock enemies down or set them up for your teammates, as well as provide some defensive bonuses and deterrents

>>98468670
a lot of this is just straight up untrue or highly exaggerated

>>98468709
Alot of it is OBJECTIVELY true.

>>98468714
okay lets start with your "tech only effects one target at a time" vs dnds spells. while this is """technically""" true, it leaves out the fact that wizards in dnd can only cast one spell a turn, while hackers in lancer can hit with 2 or 3 techs a turn, more if there's a case of something like goblin getting a counter tech

next, you say enemies dont care about heat. but if you hit with something like shrike code, banish, or chains of prometheus you can instantly blow a mech into their heatcap or effectively shut them down under threat of stress. only a handful of enemies have a heatcap high enough to not instantly get fried on those types of invades, and you can do that to multiple enemies a turn.

while weapons do have a lot of mods, they all do pretty much the same thing. more damage, or ignoring a defense for more damage, usually to one guy at a time unless you have a flame thrower or a launcher or something which have their own limitations and if they dont kill their target they do nothing to stop the enemy from retaliating most of the time unlike a tech which shuts enemies down and acts as a defensive tool for your team.

lastly, you are really underselling techs strongest role, which is to help set up the field for your allies. you act as a force multiplier. if your striker is out of range but you can dance an enemy into their range, thats fewer actions the striker has to spend on moving and more they can spend on damage. or you could pin a slippery enemy in place to prevent them from getting away from one of your strikers. you can use forced movement to cluster enemies up so your big aoe damage dealer with the plasma thrower can catch them all in a line. tech is incredibly flexible in what it can do and how it can enable the rest of your team to do more damage, stick to targets better and not get pinned by enemies in return.

tech has a wealth of uses, but because you dont see big number big dam you've discounted it entirely

>>98468670
I blame more of the design of a lot of NPC templates in not being vulnerable enough to tech comparatively to straight damage, or some NPCs that are vulnerable to tech have optional systems that just remove the vulnerability (Ace).

>>98468670
I mean, tech isn't just an all in, it's perfectly fine to build a mech around using one quick a turn on a tech action and one quick to fire a weapon and use the one to set up the other

the most blindingly obvious hybrid course being Vanguard CQB + puppet systems, which is something just about any mech with decent sensor range can pull off

>>98468279
Who the hell is Rob Break?

>>98468254
I kinda wanted to try the 28mm gunpla, its less expensive than warhammer for individual player models, but for NPCs that get expensive quick

>>98468279
DONT DEAD
OPEN INSIDE

>>98468279
>CONQUER ROB BREAK
>THEIR THEIR THEIR
>EVEREST CRADLE UNION
Wow, commies are once again proving themselves both illiterate and terrible at aesthetics.

>>98468279ù
p easy
Just pick any oppressed group in union, be it the sanjacks or the ungratefuls and run with that.
If you want to be a space wizard aun works well too

currently running several anti union factions that have a good point in the game:
>Group of spacers that have been exploited to hell and back by union corporations
>big space empire that revolted against the second committee, and doesnt let union rebrand fool them
>various chapters of an order that is doing its best to keep certain technologies from falling into union hands so the local people can defend themselves when union decides to kick the door down

Why are the sparri people even a thing? They're literally just dudes with sticks.

>still trying to force the communist dnd 'game' thread
>it's still 3 - 5 discordniggers bouncing the exact same subjects about

>>98469735
because WAAAKANDAAA - foriaver

Why is setting up HA vs KTB conflicts so much more fun than anything else storyline wise?
Just something about those factions duking it out, be it covert or open tickles me

>>98470207
Because baroque excess vs brutalist technophiles is a kino matchup.

>>98468289
That's based. The overall lancer community is really fucking insufferable however, to a disgusting degree.

>>98469808
Oh hey, are you that guy who makes those bait threads calling all RPGs "DNDs?" Like the recent one about how DNDs are historically inaccurate because potatoes? Big fan of your work.

>>98469735
They exist to be an example of a less-successful pre-Fall colony than Karrakis or Aun'Ist, an alternate take on techno-spiritualism to HORUS, and an excuse for kaiju rules.

>>98471371
>and an excuse for kaiju rules.
that by itself justifies their existence
Mech vs Kaiju planet needs to exist

>>98471164
Kek

How do I find a group to play lancer with online? Having trouble finding anyone to actually play a game of it with

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Posting 3rd party books that make the game objectively feel better.

>>98472851
I've used the second and third ones. Redpill me on enhanced combat.

>>98471164
>"noooo you can't call my 4e dnd clone game a dnd knockoff"
>"nooo stop reminding everyone"
Your groomcord is thataway

>>98472759
I'm planning on running a few one-shots soon(tm).
Send a message to vox.september.patch@gmail.com and I'll put you in.

>>98473499
The new mech frames are meh, but all the other stuff is gold. Its mostly GM facing content but it includes a ton more sitreps and (good) gameplay variations. Theres also a lot more reserves. I forget if it has exotic gear in it or not, its been a minute since I read it.
Your turn to redpill me on Blood Money.

>>98474238
>The new mech frames are meh
I like the Oleander, Death's Head but actually mobile is not a bad niche

>>98474221
sent ;)

>>98473591
Do you call every game with tactical combat on a grid a 4e dnd clone? Not that it's even incorrect, Lancer has a lot of that DNA and I don't think it's particularly shy about it but I'm curious why you treat it like an insult.

>>98475855
nta but 4e had a super mixed reception that still lingers to this day for being decent at combat and little else

>>98474238
nta, but I have experience with Blood Money. I really enjoyed running it because it gave my players a tangible motivation to crank up the difficulty of the game for a paycheck, and the kind of stuff you can buy with manna can get really strong and offer up a lot of neat tricks.
For having the players pick which mission they want to do, make sure to offer that choice at the end of a session so you can plan for the next with the knowledge on knowing what kind of thrashing the PCs selected. Also, the mission structure really does a good job in solving the complaints a lot of Lancer modules have, and that’s railroading. Blood Money emphasizes gaining loyalty and potentially changing story beats depending on if the players become loyalists to a certain faction, or fencesit for self interest.
You also by default aren’t playing goodie-two shoes from Union, you’re playing as mercenaries.

>>98472851
Legionnaire is good too

Does anyone have V3 LCPs for comp/con?

>>98469006
hacktuga

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>>98479560
Most of them you can get on compcon.
Which ones do you need?

>>98479768
Just core NPCs. Would make it a lot easier to run in person.

>>98479563
it just works, good sensor range for it, good enough tech attack, doesn't keel over at a wet fart

>>98479878
>easier
Oh you already have the book. There's a QR code inside the front cover that will take you to the v3 .lcp

im trying to make an LL12 tagetes build for shits and giggles, and im giving him the tachyon lance. how do i switch its weapon type to rifle in comp/con?

>>98482062
>LL12 Tagates with Tachyon lance
C'mon man live a little, put something more absurd on it than it's LL3 weapon
Be the mad bastard who puts has an OP caliber roland chamber siege cannon that's technically a rifle

>>98480365
Thanks, I didn't know that. Got my stuff now, now I only have to figure out how to actually get the NPC:s into encounters in V3

>leave forced commie dnd general alone for a few days as an experiment
>come back
>short blurts of activity every 3 to 8 hours
>post style indicates no more than 4 anons at work
Experiment concluded, the only reason this forced thread is still here is because an externally coordinated group is keeping it up and bumping it every time it drops off. But that's pretty much what everyone knew already.
Saved btw

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>>98482958
>actual game discussion
ok then anon, please suggest me some fun builds at LL4 kthx!

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Hi /lg/! My friend and I just playtested my homebrew expansion of LANCER, ONE YEAR WAR, set in Gundam's Universal Century timeline during the One Year War. Stats are based on their portrayal in media and sometimes Gihren's Greed: Menace of Axis V.

I'd appreciate it if some of you guys could spare the time to watch this vid and give me some pointers, while he's a tabletop enthusiast my experience is literally one LANCER session that did not make it past 3 rounds.

Notes:
>The expansion (is that the right term?) can be played both as a wargame with multiple units or a traditional RPG game, but the character (Ace) creation system has not been drafted yet.
>Gutted TECH system because muh Minovsky Particles
>Zaku II stats are mostly based on the Everest
>Most weapons are reskins of GMS weapons with slight stat changes
>I intentionally made ships and planes shit because that's how it is

https://youtu.be/F0o-GYSSTmY

>>98482958
>>leave forced commie dnd general alone for a few days
Lmao yeah sure

>>98475858
>for being decent at combat and little else
Theater kid problems then

>>98479768
If I could I would like to humbly ask for Core, Wallflower, Winter scar, and Siren Song npc lcps.

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>>98483783
damn, this is high effort anon. very cool.
You did a good job on the editing, managed to keep it engaging.
The images you used for the individual units look really good.
I did throw it on 1.5 times speed to get through some of the rules deliberations
>gutted tech
tech is a big part of the game, I would have maybe just reduced the range at which it can be used. (a distance close enough that your eWarfare attack signals are strong enough to overcome the minovsky particles)
>pvp vs pve army game
I really wouldn't make this a pvp game. keeping track of a million structures/effects of each unit for each player will be a pain in the ass and slow the game down a lot I promise you. You really should be reskinning the NPCs and not using player mechs for the GM's units.
If you really want to make this a pvp wargame I would limit the amount of structures each unit can have.
>map size
I agree the map size you're using is good.
>unit sizes
all your capital ships should be size 3 minimum. it doesnt really make sense when the carriers are barely bigger than then mechs. The toriares are a good size.
>intentionally made the ships bad because thats how it is
we see the broadside salvos of the ships do a lot of damage in the show, you don't have to make them shitty, just make them slow.

overall a really cool idea and a decent execution. With some tweaks this could be really good. Nice job anon.

>>98483783
Post pdf if you want proper feedback next time, good anon

>>98483870
If that’s how you want to see it, sure. Though it’s also not the best at mech customization nor does it have any crunch for the pilots operating outside of the mech. Which aren’t theater kid problems.

>>98485573
>>98483783
you could even use the titanic mech/creature rules from enhanced combat for the ships

Need bit of GM advise, I was considering giving a player a Displacer as a mission reward in lieu of typical exotic gear
They're already doing high heat stuff, mostly with some flavor of Sherman or Tokugawa
I was wondering, is this too much as a reward or not?

>>98485735
depends. what LL is the party at and do the other players have exotic gear also or is this guy special?

>>98482200
i just want to figure out how to adjust weapon types in comp con before i start exploring more superheavy options, but you did get my number being a basic bitch there. can you tell me how to set the tachyon or any other weapon as a rifle per tagete's shenanigans

>>98486029
unfortunately there's no way to do it in comp con, you can do it once you upload it into Foundry by manually editing the sheet adding in overkill and rifle to the weapon type but in comp-con unfortunately it does kinda neglect the Tagates

>>98485943
everyone gets an exotic piece that's relevant to their mech, LL is 5, going on 6, I just know he's been agonizing over getting the displacer but doesn't quite want to invest 3 LL's into napoleon just to use a displacer

>>98486029
>>98486075
Maybe you can make a custom .lcp that has a rifle version of the weapon. Idk if that will transfer over to foundry or not, I've never tried.

>>98486087
Eh i'd say its fine. LL6 is when most builds come into their own, i dont think an "exotic" displacer is gonna throw off the balance.

>>98486113
yeh I wasn't gonna give a displacer, as funny as it would be, at LL1
exotics I'm handing out are mostly the exotics in comp-con but with the numbers filed off to make them work in the custom campaign
the exotics are a reward for during the last mission them completing a side objective to bail out a weapons dealer

>>98486075
i see. thanks. wanted to make sure i wasnt neglecting a function in comp con while messing around with things. so until my gm or another source of authority corrects me, im gonna put stabilizer mods on the gun then count it as a rifle

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Thank you all for the feedback, I didn’t actually expect anyone to respond!

>>98485573
>I did throw it on 1.5 times speed to get through some of the rules deliberations
Do go back and watch it fully if you can, I throw on some graphics for unit and weapon stats here and there!
>tech is a big part of the game, I would have maybe just reduced the range at which it can be used.
Could you give me some examples of why tech is important? I couldn’t really gleam much information and a feel of it from the corebook.
>You really should be reskinning the NPCs and not using player mechs for the GM's units.
Well I only used the Everest as a basis, in truth the Zaku II is a slightly weaker Assault NPC. I’d love to hear any recommendations on which specific NPCs I should use as a basis for units, though.
>If you really want to make this a pvp wargame I would limit the amount of structures each unit can have.
Currently, most if not all units have 2 structure and 2 stress. I wanted them to have a chance to repair themselves, as seen in certain Gundam media, yet still have the chance of instantly blowing up.
>all your capital ships should be size 3 minimum
During testing I tried it out, but that made the map feel too small.
>we see the broadside salvos of the ships do a lot of damage in the show, you don't have to make them shitty, just make them slow
They do 1d20 damage! The Mega Particle Cannons have INACCURATE, I just rolled three fucking zeroes and bad damage this game, so they couldn’t do much.
>>98485598
Still WIP sadly. I literally only have stats for the units seen in the video, and then some.
>>98485667
I think I have that somewhere, but just in case, where can one acquire a copy?

Thank you all again for watching and giving feedback! I already have made several balance changes to the game, including a new system that will make certain weapons more interesting… stay tuned!

>>98487547
nta but hackinig is a large part of the game because its very integrated with the heat system and debuffs/buffs, the tl:dr is that a lot of systems interact with it and the game without hacking would be very smoothbrained in terms of heat management and combat

>>98474221
I've got a couple more spots for a one-shot this Thursday 8/13 if anyone else wants to play

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how come there are no chemical warfare mechs?
i want to make stupid jokes about gassing jews or brapposting while playing to piss off my fellow players

on a somewhat related note, whats the silliest thing i can do with the super heavy flamethrower?

>>98488292
>i want to make stupid jokes about gassing jews or brapposting while playing to piss off my fellow players
People who actually play tabletop don't like playing with people who piss them off, so people who design tabletop games generally don't try to cater to them.

>>98488376
one of my fellow players made a samurai and kept saying yasuo quotes out loud, he deserves it

>>98488401
I made a Mad Max character and kept speaking like Master-Blaster. Everybody loved it.

Why is mourning cloak the worst mech in the game by a country mile? Are its <biotic components> worth the cost of being total ass?

>>98488589
>free fuckhuge range teleport
>free 1d6 dmg per round
>TWELVE FUCKING EVASION
in what way did you think this thing is bad anon?

>>98485573

I think it fine to keep it player mech vs player mech. For the most part, battles in gundam consists of small skirmishes between a relatively even number of combatants on both sides, so it makes sense to use fully statted enemies since they won't outnumber the pc:s and it is a relatively even fight.

>>98488292
How would gas or poison affect a hermetically sealed mech cockpit? They're made to drop in hostile planets, mustard gas wouldn't do shit.

>>98488938
depending on type, gas can be a airborne acid sort of rather than dealing damage on inhalation, an airborne acid would probably ruin most mech's insulation and technical components rather immediately not to mention the LOS fuckery you can do with it

this is all just an excuse to play a area denial playstyle, i think it would be fun to have some features like that with some of the gear from lich Licence or minotaur

>>98488970
bruh this is literally the Balor license but instead of having it be gas it's nanites, which is given the context of the setting, drastically more reasonable

>>98488589
the worst mech in the game is the Minotaur, it's got nothing going on for it and for some reason has only 8 sensor range when it's entire license requires good sensor range to be effective

>>98488752
>free lol so randumb teleport that will I transport you to Canada for free euthanasia or move you 3 spaces as a full round action. Or just turn your normal move into teleporting as this do nothing piece of shits core power
No refunds
>free integrated core bonus 1d6/turn damage boost on your garbage mounts
Probably the worst striker set up you could find on a mech that capable of absolutely fucking nothing else.
>memevasion is this trash frames best stat
Worthless. It’s actual best stat is its 15 sensor so you can sit back and do nothing but lock on and *checks notes* bolster all game until you get a license that’s actually useful. Which reminds me-
>>98489218
the Minotaur has an actual valuable license that other mechs want. The mc is garbage that’s worse than LL0 options at every turn. Not to mention the kinotaur itself can hardfuck anything for one turn no questions asked, which is better than the absolutely fucking nothing the mourning cloak is capable of accomplishing ever.

>>98491001
you were saying worst mech not worst license everyone knows minotaur license is good
but minotaur itself is beyond garbage
8 sensor range flat out doesn't let you do anything useful, fucking mourning cloak is better at using minotaur licenses than the god damn minotaur

>>98491117
You brought up license, it’s still by far the worst mech, and license, since you mentioned it. It wishes it could do something ever, let alone nuke anything no questions asked as a core power like the Minotaur can. You actually proved my point with the Minotaur as an example, since the shit cloak reads like it’s actually interesting worthwhile Minotaur tier ability was removed at some point and what you are left with is that pile of shit mech and pile of shit license
>minotaur who has a better tech stat, and can actually key off its systems with its core traits is worse with them than the most useless joke mech in the game
Crazy how you’re just the opposite of correct time after time

>>98491164
>let alone nuke anything no questions asked as a core power like the Minotaur can
Stunning once per repair as a FULL TECH is garbage, absolute and utter complete garbage

every single enemy worth using this core power on is going to be an elite with a "at the start of your turn clear a condition" trait, literally every single one meaning you just spent a full round doing literally nothing

and if you're stunning a regular mech? you spent your entire turn taking away their turn which congrats, still not fucking worth it

Mourning Cloak's core power is better than the Minotaur in any realistic scenario

>>98491214
>stunning anything is garbage
>stunning anything no questions asked is garbage
>stunning anything no questions asked is more garbage than the entirety of the cum cloak
Has to be bait. Will sage after this if you can’t find a better argument.
>game is only specific fuck you ultras and grunts
>mourning cloaks core power is better than Minotaurs
Or clinically retarded.
Yeah, the selfish anemic core power that only benefits the do nothing stealth cuck mech to be even less present and useful (lol) is worse than the literal bull core power that benefits the entire team. Unreal takes after another. Next you’ll bring up the license cost again lol

>>98491323
I'm sorry but are you literally so stupid you don't understand how useful being able to teleport as your move and boost is?
like genuine, are you clinically retarded?

the minotaur's core power is basically shitty one time use version of Orator III, ANY mech can do what it does by just taking orator III and can do it multiple times

trading your turn for an enemy turn is generally speaking a bad fucking trade, not to mention you gotta be within sensor range

>>98491939
just an FYI this isn't reddit, saging is neither a block nor a downvote
and it just got negated

someone lie to me and tell me that the Zheng has ever been usable

>>98493980
Anything is usable with enough exotic gear

>>98493980
I like it as a dedicated melee mech, good enough speed with it's core passive, pretty dang durable with 10 health / 2 armor and 9 evasion isn't irrelevant since you can end every turn behind hard cover if you really want and going full HULK SMASH mode with it's core up gets absolutely hilarious

That said I still wonder exactly why they gave it 2 dedicated grappler systems when it's pretty bad at grappling, you functionally need SMN to make use of it

I just ignore the grappling aspects of it and enjoy my D/D 288 memes and the fact I can enable creative mode on the terrain when I want
my honest to god only regret with the Zheng is that it has main instead of flex slots so I could put 2 plasma torches in it for even more terrain destruction goodness

>>98494071
I do want to punch a motherfucker into next week it just feels too all-in even compared to something like Blackbeard

>>98494340
you don't "have" to use the D/D, like you can simply skip the LL3 in favor of something else, it's got plenty of good mounts
it's mildly ironic that despite 2 sort of wasted systems on grappling, the Zheng is the better striker frame of it and the Blackbeard in a vacuum if you're not trying to grapple

It just kinda suffers from a very "meh" license overall compounded by IPS-N already having plenty of good strikers, and being a bit unfocused (Total Strength Suite II and III absolutely should have been about things other than grappling, and instead gone with the environmental damage and AoE chip damage thing the license has going for it)

Zheng does shine if your GM loves to chuck grunts at you or invisible/high evasion enemies (the D/D doesn't discharge until it hits something after all, and against your typical low health/high evasion enemy Reliable:8 is devastating) but yeh it can feel hard to justify using over other options at times

still not a bad frame, I'd rate it as the second most durable IPS-N frame as well, only the Drake being tougher in a vacuum, Tortuga needs to have hyperdense up, so pretty good if you're worried about incoming damage

>>98474221
Last call
Current party is 3/4 anons
New players and veterans welcome.
8/13/26 at 4:30pm PDT (GMT-7)

>>98494679
At least the Zheng has the opportunity to be multidimensional.
The Caliban really only has one playstyle and that's to be a screaming retard that just runs into people

>>98498117
to be fair, it's very good at being a screaming retard
it also used to have a niche of being a 1/2 that could mount superheavies but dustgrave came along and let us put a D/D 288 on a dusk wing if we so desire

>>98491001
>It’s actual best stat is its 15 sensor so you can sit back and do nothing but lock on and *checks notes* bolster all game until you get a license that’s actually useful.
Hunter Logic's invades are pretty good. And if you do mix it with systems from another license, namely anything from Horus, it becomes a great vessel for the Thinking Tomorrow's Thought core bonus.

>>98491001
>garbage mounts
That's where talents come in. Hunter or Gunslinger really help out Aux mounts, or Duelist if you prefer your Varsword.

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what other LL's should i grab than this little shit? i want to make a tech build

>>98500421
depends on what you're looking for from those other LL's
if you're looking for other mechs that don't die to a wet fart while still being good hackers there's always a tortuga, lich or sunzi, balor maybe if you're going for tech attacks without saves, then again, can always just go with a chomolungma if you're worried about getting structured and that one doesn't require any "wasted" license points

for extra tech dickery, minotaur, manticore and lich have some great options, sunzi as well though outside of puppet systems it's more of the support type
if invisible enemies are starting to piss you off (and they will if your GM loves them) getting a lotus projector or if need be eye of horus can help, that or getting into a taraxacum (which is not a bad hacker either)

some way of becoming invisible is also not a bad choice either, or maybe looking for a weapon you like when tech isn't the solution and violence is needed

>>98500848
thanks for the suggestions, if you know about any fun combo's to do with different hacks that would be nice too, like puppet systems into the heat images created by dimensional emblems, i really want to make overheating the opponent a reality

>>98503785
heat bomb is fairly hard to do but it can work out
you can also do silly things with excommunicate and then just forcing them next to their allies
and just always remember that every invade automatically gives 2 heat on top of whatever else it says

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>running one-shot
>players are getting bullied
>they eventually start getting the upper hand
>player shoots missiles at this guy, they kill him, but his reaction succeeds and baseball-slaps a rocket back at the player
lmao I love this guy

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>>98504502
just you wait until i get LL3 ill make you suffer >:(

I heard you like making actions

-- GMS Everest @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
HA Sherman 3, SSC Death’s Head 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Integrated Ammo Feeds, All-Theater Movement Suite
[ TALENTS ]
Grease Monkey 3, Heavy Gunner 3, Ace 3
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:2 SYS:2 ENGI:2
STRUCTURE:4 HP:17 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:8 REPAIR:6
TECH ATK:+2 LIMITED:+3
SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:10 SENSE:10 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Main Mount: SUPERHEAVY WEAPON BRACING
Flex Mount: Vulture DMR
Heavy Mount: Cyclone Pulse Rifle
[ SYSTEMS ]
ASURA-Class NHP x4, Redundant Systems Upgrade x4, Kinetic Compensator, Core Siphon

>>98506027
quick question but what's heavy gunner doing for you here?
it doesn't work with a CPR, nor does it work with loading weapons
ASURA doesn't quite work with a CPR either since you can't use it for duplicate actions and since firing the CPR is always a barrage (due to superheavy) you immediately run into that issue, and using ASURA just to stabilize feels somehow really bad

Might as well go with an Andromeda or LBR (since you have a lot of limited systems) or Gandiva missiles

>>98506611
okay am dum, scratch the LBR since you need 3x SSC license for All-Theater

>>98506027
You're right the only other talents I can think are either Brutal or Tactician

>>98506798
since you're going with flying, tactician 2 isn't a bad choice
tactician 3 is however again wasted because you're using a superheavy and it can't be used for that
if you were overcharging more, nuclear cavalier wouldn't have been the worst either, everyone loves an extra d6, but overcharging a lot on an 8 heat cap mech without heatfall is ambitious to say the least, if you went up to 10 heat cap you could be the madman who rawdogs 1D6+4 to then quick stabilize it away with redundant systems later but still benefiting from nuclear cavalier

prospector 3 is also funny but less so if you're flying

but yeh brutal could definitely work since you're using an accurate weapon,

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>>98467832

>>98507128
Exactly this.
look at her little feeties lol

This is when I feel like being a coward

-- SSC Death’s Head @ LL6 --
[ LICENSES ]
SSC Death’s Head 3, SSC Monarch 2, HORUS Pegasus 1
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints, Neurolink Targeting
[ TALENTS ]
Crack Shot 3, Stormbringer 2, Gunslinger 2, Brutal 1, Centimane 1
[ STATS ]
HULL:2 AGI:0 SYS:6 ENGI:0
STRUCTURE:4 HP:15 ARMOR:0
STRESS:4 HEATCAP:6 REPAIR:3
TECH ATK:+6 LIMITED:+0
SPD:5 EVA:10 EDEF:14 SENSE:20 SAVE:13
[ WEAPONS ]
Main/Aux Mount: Smartgun / Nexus (Light)
Heavy Mount: Gandiva Missiles // Auto-Stabilizing Hardpoints
[ SYSTEMS ]
Hunter Lock, Kinetic Compensator, Tracking Bug, High-Stress Mag Clamps, Core Siphon

>>98509875
>someone actually brings tracking bug
respect but, not sure how well it will turn out for you, nothing more infuriating than your anti-invis tech being defeated by invisibility

>>98510059
Site I can easily swap it out for some GMS system

Im conservative Christian and I play Lancer for the mechs sorry if I don't engage in the authors commie idealogy.

>>98510226
Apology accepted anon, nobody's perfect. Welcome to /lg/! Enjoy your stay :)

>>98510226
MODS MODS MODS BAN HIM RIGHT NOW

>>98488292
All mechs a presumed to be air tight as they can operate in any atmosphere including zero atmosphere.

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>>98510226
MODS!?

>>98510226
Which is the most God-fearing Christian mech and why is it the Vlad.

>>98513812
Defender which functions well with orator
Turn the other cheek while trying to convert

>>98488292
just mix a ghengis and a balor, reflavor the flamethrower&greywash as horrible chemical warfare and enjoy your warcrime machine

>>98513812
>why is it the vlad
Because Vlad the impaler was a man of God

The game allows you to be a priest background so jokes on the authors. I'm sure the Catholic Church exists in Lancer. The hates of hell will not prevail afterall.

Catholic Kingdoms who reject Union propaganda.

>>98514465
Tonks x Genghis works even better

>>98514646
They couldn't technically be Catholic, could they? At least, not multiple kingdoms. Either the Church didn't survive the Fall and died on Earth; or they survived as one of the many isolated societies that re-emerged and eventually founded Union; or the Pope got on an all-Catholic colony ship before the Fall, in which case they probably end up either like the Karrakins where they get bullied into compliance by the tech difference, or like the Aunics where they get their own MONIST-class sugar daddy to keep them competitive.

Of course there's always the option that there were colonies who declared their own popes after receiving word that civilization collapsed back on Earth, but then they aren't really Catholic anymore, are they? There's no longer the central authority that defines Catholicism.

>>98514646
>Catholic Kingdoms who reject Union propaganda.
Why would they reject it? If anything the Union practices Do Unto Others pretty well

>>98468602
heatgunning requires a lot of effort
for single stress enemies, it only permanently exposes them. For enemies with more than one stress, it's a chance of exposure, or impaired, and at 0 stress it's explosion, and optimally the DM would then run the mech into your team

>>98472851
>rebake
Rebake sucks
bespoke grunts are novel, yes, but everything else entirely misses the mark
it fixes some of the NPC problems that everyone already knows about and most people fix anyway ie enemies with multiple attacks at higher tiers
kai tave is a retard who doesn't play lancer though, he entirely misses the mark on NPCs, most NPCs are actually much stronger, and he's a shortsighted retard
Kai Tave is also responsible for some of the most disgustingly unbalanced official content, and Suldan is full of unbalanced garbage because once again, he doesn't play lancer
He's an unprofessional dickhead who lords his power over people. Starts arguments in pilotnet to get people banned, has used the official massif twitter to told a third party content creator to kill themselves, etc.
I will NEVER use kai tave slop in my games. The official content he is responsible for is adjusted appropriately

>>98488292
biological tag enemies are uncommon
to make it work, you'd have to do one of two things:
>just make the damage burn
this is just kinda boring, and it becomes competitive with every other option of inflicting burn
>allow it to damage pilots
not great, because the game is not balanced with pilots in mind, which is why the pirate template is super fucking cringe and evil

>>98515064
i was thinking more of a third damage type rather than just replacing burn, perhaps make it interact with armour somehow?

>>98515087
burn already bypasses armor
adding a new damage type just further complicates things
it could just be "burn weapons that does more damage/does something extra to biological targets and leaves clouds that give soft cover"
you could also add that it disorients if inhaled by pilots, causing them to be impaired/only have LoS to adjacent spaces

>>98515093
it could be cool to have more of a aoe cloud that eats away at HP and reduces the armour of those within, if i were to design such a mech a lot of it would be aimed at area denial and heavily punishing those who would try to fight toe-to-toe with you in the cloud with perhaps some high dmg short range weapon, couple it with a unique ability of the frame to see through and be unaffected by smoke with some mines/grenades that do similar effects. would for sure have to make some things to prevent you from sitting in a fart cloud all day with a sniper though...
idk, i havent really given the concept a lot of thought so far but im sure it could be cool

>>98515120
balor and hecatoncheires already kind of fit that as a basis, as well as arguably both genghis frames

>>98515127
its about the FLAVOUR anon!

>>98515057
>Starts arguments in pilotnet to get people banned
Good. Anyone who goes there unironically deserves it
>has used the official massif twitter to told a third party content creator to kill themselves
Uh, based?

>>98514646
Funny cause in my game christianity (at least in the area where the party is playing) is mostly in the same level of old norse religions: A cool old religion, but most people who say they believe in it are redditor larpers.
One of the npc's working with the party is a priest missionary of some weird mixture of valdesian and orthodox future christianity, poor dude is trying is best to turn the larpers into actual believers and is more stimulants and stress in the vague shape of a human at this point

I've only played low level Lancer sofar, so I'm wondering what exactly are the problems with high level NPC's?
Are they too strong or too weak, and what solutions does everyone have for them?

>>98515811
Some NPCs gain a lot more power than others when they get bumped a tier, namely the Operator and the Spectre from gaining multiple attacks rather than scaling damage. If you just don’t spam those, then you’re fine.

Could do with a few tips, and see if I have actually got something functional on my hands
Still not sure if I should go with Grease Monkey III or Walking Armory III, and probably better to go with 12 heat cap and heatfall, but the idea of just driving my engine to it's screeching limit with 1d6+4 overcharges every turn just to be able to set up an uber Lucifer whenever I want feels very Toku

[ TALENTS ]
Crack Shot 3, Walking Armory 3,
Nuclear Cavalier 2, Grease Monkey 1
[ LICENSES ]
HA Napoleon 3, HA Tokugawa 3
[ CORE BONUSES ]
Overpower Caliber, Superior by Design
[ MECH ]
« UNSTABLE EQUILIBRIUM »
HA Tokugawa
H:4 A:0 S:0 E:4 SIZE:1
STRUCTURE:4 HP:19 ARMOR:1
STRESS:4 HEAT:14 REPAIR:6
ATK BONUS:3 TECH ATK:-1 LTD BONUS:2
SPD:4 EVA:8 EDEF:6 SENS:10 SAVE:14
[ WEAPONS ]
Flex Mount: Annihilator
Main Mount: Thermal Rifle
Main Mount: Displacer // Overpower Caliber
[ SYSTEMS ]
Ammo Case III, Deep Well Heat Sink,
LUCIFER-Class NHP, External Batteries

>>98515057
This is now a Kai Tave hate thread.
>The only massif press author to have his official content widely accepted as shit by the greater lancer community
>everyone who has ever run Operation Solstice Rain has changed/improved it in some way in order to make it fun.
>made lancer battlegroup, got mad when people didn't want to play it.
>created the single worst piece of official content that massif press ever published, field guide to Suldan
>was part of the angry mob that resulted in Ziegler losing his massif press contracts because he had the audacity to run his own lancer server that had less draconian moderation.
>will spend every moment talking about lancer and never playing it.
Now I'm not saying he's an inherently evil or bad guy, but he's the epitome of mediocre, with splashes of retardation thrown in. The real tragedy is that Massif Press still keep him around, I have no idea why, his work sucks.

>>98517679
Interesting.
What’s there to point out with certain rebaked NPCs that make them worse than the originals? I found his line of thinking was reasonable, and I’ve run the rebaked versions too.
Well, mainly the grunts. I always had an issue with how grunts were handled in the core rules originally.

>>98517679
>lancer battlegroup
ah shit, is it bad? I was sort of thinking of integrating it into my campaign once the party got to buy/commandeer enough ships, what are the main problems? Perhaps i can salvage it for my game

>>98517679
>field guide to Suldan
what is so horrid about it?

>>98518030
Its actually not that bad of a game, he was just expecting it to get a lot more engagement than it did from the lancer community.
Getting used to the Gyre (the main mechanic of the game) takes a minute, but the ships are cool

>>98515733
The Catholic Church has already lived through multiple empires ending. They will still exist and monks will be the ones preserving knowledge. Read Canticle of Leibowitz, a Apocalypse won't stop the Church from preserving knowledge. They are probably missionary ships in Lancer. Bringing back humanity to the light if Christ no matter how far.

>>98517827
the problem is the good parts of rebake are things the community already knew of and most seasoned GMs already tweak
>bespoke grunts
decent, but most people use legionaires from enhanced combat for this anyway
>removing T2/3 multiple attacks
everyone already knows this and either tweaks these or only runs one unit of any of these NPCs at a higher level
in the rebake, he has several blurbs about each NPC that talk about his "design philosophy" which includes such gems like saying Ronin and Assault have 0 identity outside of being "sword guy" and "soldier guy" when those are both identities that should exist in the TTRPG in some form.
His changes overall actually make NPCs in general much stronger, at the cost of no longer having them horrifically outscale pilots, which doesn't really matter because players still feel very weak against these rebake NPCs. Which the problem already was players feeling too weak especially in frames like mourning cloak or atlas. This makes it so you have to basically use any Kai Tave designed frame (Lycan, Chomo) or you get fucked.
>>98518193
Suldan is horrifically unbalanced to an absurd degree. It is filled with tons of frames and mechs that are so ludicrously far above the mark that it makes most official lancer content mechs useless in comparison. This goes for a lot of the talents in the book as well.
this post is getting too long so I'm going to split it into a second one

>>98519845
Kai Tave's design philosophy is
>identify a problem with the system
>"fix" it by designing something horrifically broken
two examples in his OFFICIAL content
>chomolungma
completely and utterly outclasses every other hack-based frame and arguably most support frames in general. It gets free invade options (which should have instead been a GMS system anyone can take) that are VERY good, it has baseline stats that are incredibly solid. It has an EXTREMELY powerful core power. There is no reason to run goblin over chomolungma, period. It's not an everest case where everest is a baseline jack of all trades but other frames fill specific niches and playstyles, no, the chomo is just the best at hacking, period
>Lycan
Before anyone says anything, the same issues with Lycan can also apply to Empakaai, which is another can of worms and not related to Kai, but this post is about Kai right now.
The Lycan "fixes" melee
It is no small statement to say melee in Lancer is generally underpowered compared to ranged. Melee requires much more talent and HASE investment for equivalent or competitive gains to an artillery build. Kai's solution? Here is a frame with a free integrated superheavy weapon that is insanely powerful with no downside. Also it has a heavy mount still so you can mount ANOTHER heavy+ weapon, which can be a ranged weapon like an HMG to just cover your weakness of being melee, that is your lack of range.
Lycan has to pop core to use its superheavy, but it is efficient, meaning you lose nothing popping it every combat. You lose your tank traits, so what? You gain a baseline 6 speed which is very fast, you get to MOVE full 6 as PART of activating it AND ATTACK.
You don't even need to interact with the core power's main mechanic of "gets stronger when you or allies take structure" because the increase in power from base shock claws is negligible. Whenever you point out that melee sucks, Kai Tave points at Lycan and says "but I fixed it :)"

>>98517679
the reason Massif keeps him around is because he's one of the few people actually still WRITING content for Lancer, and he is unduly praised because everyone runs winter scar and solstice rain (despite both being horrifically unbalanced and borderline bullshit for "beginner friendly intro modules")
And because of his power in community circles like PNET, he can just push out dissenters
Ralf, who made enhanced combat? Excommunicated because uh... he wasn't controlling the retards from his server that were antagonizing pnet users apparently (not his job, he's a writer not a moderator)
Enhanced combat is so widely used though that they can't ban it completely, but they WILL get mad when you dare to imply enhanced combat "might as well be first party"
Third party content creators like Deer (who made Lancer MK.II and Mechanized Wargear Catalog, both incredibly good supplements) for lancer DARE to criticize Kai Tave OR Lancer itself's balance get shunned, ostracized from the community, told to commit suicide on massif's public social media which Kai Tave had access to, and a false cancel campaign brought against them.
Oh let's not forget other third party creators can't criticize pnet in the sanctity of THEIR OWN SERVERS without someone whining to the mods of PNET and them thus now banning them and discussion of their modules anywhere in the server.
It's a true shame because unfortunately, PNET being the biggest lancer community has loads of resources for playing and running the game, locked on the server, and you are at risk of ban for wrongthink which will cause you to lose access to ALL of that.

Is Flicker Field Projector useless on the Dusk Wing? Is there a way to save the effect when it's not your turn as DW is already invisible on it's turn

I watched a Youtube lore guy explaining what Lancer is all about. Is it really Gay Communism in Space with Mecha? If it is, how intrusive is the faggotry in gameplay?

>>98520629
in gameplay? none that ive seen
in the adventure paths on the other hand...

>>98520634
From the video I watched, the tuber presented the usual odd perspective where anyone who isn't 100% fighting against the very concept of private property was a fascist, and having no borders or limitations on anyone at any time was inherently a moral good.
For example, The Second Council was called Fascist two dozen times, but I'm not sure how much of it is canon accusations and how much of it was the smarmy German's own interpretation brought on by worshiping the dessicated meatballs of that stale panettone Umberto Eco. I'm calling Eco a dusty Italian fruitcake if ya don't get the joke.

>>98520622
flicker field projector is active until you're attacked and is on until that attack is made even on your opponent's turns

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>>98520654
dont bother getting into TTRPG lore man, none of them are good (even the systems i love)
pathfinder is kitchensink, lancer is turbogay globohomo, 5e has super wheelchairs with no drawback and mexican orcs
there is no winning this fight my friend, i give this advice in the hopes that you dont get heavily invested in something that is in essence shit and written by retards. find a system that you like and run self-made campaigns that are detached from the actual lore if you dont like or cant ignore retarded politics

>>98519873
and course an efficient core power that gets popped when you no longer need to tank means it's perfect with uni-comp for a free heal to negate the downsides of tanking as well

>>98519902
That really fucking sucks
Lancer is one of the TTRPG's that absolutely "should" be a vehicle for 3pp content but draconian shit like that just ruins it for everyone

>>98520675
That's what I usually do, but some games have their lore tied in really heavily with the mechanics.

>>98520670
Are reaction attacks like overwatch not proc it? I want to force overwatch because I have skirmisher 3

>>98520696
the only tie to the lore is that player mechs come in 4 (5 with GMS technically) manufactures but the only true mechanical implication of that is with manufacturer specific core powers requiring a set number of licenses

and even then the game plays fast and loose with it, the Horus license has both a mech that was made by them specifically to help the "can't believe it's not slaves" fight back against their masters, but also a mech made by those masters for the explicit purpose of committing war crimes against uppity workers

it's very easy to reflavor things to cut those out in case you don't want to deal with official lore for your own setting
the Lancer "official" fanbase is fairly rabid in attacking anyone trying to cut out official lore though but that's why you're on 4chan instead of lubing yourself up for a discord moderator

>>98520730
it's just flat out invisible until you're next attacked, so any attack should use up the charge
that said you could always ask the GM to not have attacks against you use up your flicker field charge until you stop being invisible through other means (aka Dusk Wing trait)
Which if I was GM, I would do, because Dusk Wing isn't exactly the best mech in the game so you get a lot more leeway than say, someone playing a Chomolungma

>>98519845
>>98519873
>>98519902
Thanks for the writeup. You wouldn’t happen to have the files for Lancer MKII and Mechanized Wargear Catalogue? You’ve gotten me interested.

>>98519902
Ralf got harassed by Kai?
Fuck that, Kai's a bitch.

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>>98519845
>>98519873
>>98519902
Kai is a insecure loser but the rebaked is good about making things other than maxing hull and nuc cav every goddamn build worth a damn and removing the goofy stuff no one liked (scout perma shredding, rainmaker javelin combo, ace seeking missiles and chaff launchers to ignore counterplay, pyros shield actually being a wall of fire now)

that said, a quick skim over the suldan stuff looks like it earns its reputation as broken garbage, and ive ran solstice rain all the way through for an LL2-LL3 party and i couldnt imagine newbies at LL1 fighting that ultra operator at the end and not get their shit kicked in. and if he hates on ralf its probably because he is jealous of a man who has made quality content based on actual experience running the game instead of theorycrafting in his echo chamber (although the enhanced combat alt frames are also busted and i wouldnt allow)

>>98515057
>used the official massif twitter to told a third party content creator to kill themselves
Screenshot?

>>98520978
Seconded, i tried looking for them but i could not find them

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>>98520978
>>98522950
Are those actual released .pdf's? I saw that mechanized wargear catalogue never got funded and I couldn't find Lancer MkII anywhere. Google kept thinking I was talking about Gears of War

Previous oneshot was successful,
Next session happening on Sun, Aug 23, 2026, 12:00 PM PDT (GMT: -7). LL0, got room for one more. Playing on Foundry. Message vox.september.patch@gmail.com for an invite.

>>98523388
dont do this he will mail you 3 zettabytes of dolphin porn

>>98523757
You say that like its a bad thing. Its high quality porn

Skirmisher 2 doesn't proc from a barrage right?

>>98525722
skirmish specifically is a quick action so no

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More campaign slop
this time i made a map of the homebase of the warcrime monkeys that are my players and a small visualization of the composition of their PMC, left a lot of free space for later upgrades since im running blood money rules

i tried resizing the picture but it would make a lot of the smaller letters illegibles, sorry for the 5kx2k px pic

>>98525840
that's some high quality stuff anon, love it

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>>98485573
>>98487652
I slept on it. I'm thinking that ships and dedicated Electronic Warfare/Scout MS can do tech actions like LOCK ON and INVADE (Note: ship sensors heavily nerfed, Scout MS lightly armed). Problem is, I'm stuck on what effects INVADE should do aside from the default FRAGMENT SIGNAL effect which gives the target impaired and slowed.
Any thoughts? Would IMMOBILIZED or JAMMED be too powerful? Are there other TECH actions I'm missing?

>>98526645
well just look at the base game's invade options from LL's most of them are pretty fair in terms of balance

>>98520978
>>98522950
sorry for the late reply
MWC:
https://github.com/TheFwuffernaut/MWC-Current-Branch
for mkII I forget where it is publicly but here's the lcp:
https://mega.nz/file/Ce5zSJba#z2ucEz4zCiMaVyld69rtuHlUM2MIZNmTPbJ5Lh5EctY

>>98521321
like I said, the good things about rebake are opinions pretty unanimously held and most GMs worth their salt know how to deal with
>enhanced combat alt frames are also busted
hard disagree
the only thing I would say comes close is oleander, and it's still balanced by its restrictions. Bligh is a fun alternative to Kidd, Salamander is balanced, Hapsburg is balanced

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>Born too late to deploy to the middle east
>Born too soon to deploy to the middle east
>Born just in time to deploy to the middle east

>>98530641
Oleander is pretty much tailor-made to actually let you line up shots with the railgun
which is pretty powerful admittedly but it's also pretty fun, and the fact you can never overcharge to use a heavy weapon again is fairly significant since a lot of death's head builds eschew the railgun all together and instead go for Gandivas or LBR

though you can still use heavy gunner to line up even more shots as a way to account for the restriction

The Veil Rifle on a Tokugawa with Hunter Lock can be pretty deadly

How come the most based people use Everest builds?

>>98532901
how does that work, does each instance of bonus damage get halved individually for 4 bonus damage or does it get counted together for 3 (since line weapons are AoE)

also it's a dang shame that Toku's range increases don't work on line weapons

Whats the chudliest build I could make?
To start Im thinking Genghis worldkiller, and I'll mount the kobold's slag cannon as a metaphorical dick and coom on my enemies. How do I take it further?

>>98533476
if you want to make a meme build, do it on your own, otherwise you're just stealing other people's memes

>>98533501
Ah, but isn't the difference between a meme and a shitpost whether or not you stole it? Propagation is the essence of a meme.

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>>98525840
I'm very eager myself to start with bloodmoney once i got the moneys to get a copy. One of the problems i have with lancer is that its difficult to get into the head of a character who could just drop all of this at any moment, fly to union space, apply for asylum and receive their government mandated free everything, like why am i putting my life in danger piloting a mech for any of this?

>>98533673
>One of the problems i have with lancer is that its difficult to get into the head of a character who could just drop all of this at any moment, fly to union space, apply for asylum and receive their government mandated free everything, like why am i putting my life in danger piloting a mech for any of this?
You’re essentially a Union peacekeeper with a heap of the savior complex for the impoverished and barbarians who don’t know how great it is to think like us.
That’s why I like mercenary campaigns. There’s ambition, and there’s a reason you’re putting yourself in mortal danger in your own terms: money. Money can make you rich. It can settle a debt. It can take you back to the Union worlds because you’ve grown up in the diaspora. Or, money is just the added bonus of doing it for the love of the game.

>>98533673
One of my gm pet peeve is this: Treat the galaxy like its the galaxy in the videogame rimworld: sure, there are dozens of planets with star trek tier living conditions, but the further you get away from the well connected core worlds, you get absolutely everything, from small warring empires to planets where people just regressed into tribals etc etc. Never play within union space unless your party/character has a clear motive from it.
One of my player's character comes from one of these advanced core worlds and is mostly doing this for personal glory.

>>98532996
Bonus damage is totaled first, then halved.

>>98532154
precisely, the oleander trades pure damage for consistency
and desu I prefer it over death's head. Death's head's core is fundamentally fucked because it requires a FULL ACTION to re-apply, on a frame that typically uses ordnance weapons (railgun, other artillery weapons) in a game where sitreps can be very short

>>98533673
several things
>for people further away from cradle and the union core worlds, it's expensive and difficult to get transport there
>it takes AGES even with blinkgate travel
>for some people, the quiet comfort of Union space sounds boring

Can you play this without the grid map? I don't have a lot of room at my place for a whole-ass mini wargame table

>>98536200
there's also that tingly feeling when you nail 3 enemies in a row with a railgun shot, which is just about unique to the Oleander given you can actually move before firing to get yourself into position

never ended up doing something that is genuinely overpowered in my games (though I did have to promise to not take nanocomp on it), just a competent mech that makes sniping more fun
after all kill shot is not something you "have" to use every time, so you end up being able to build for what that quick action can do in terms of support

>>98536662
nanocomp is not powergaming especially since some enemies have high Edef so it doesn't really matter
there's little in lancer that is actually broken compared to competently run NPCs

>>98536276
Like theatre of the mind? I wouldnt recommend it.

>>98536676
Nanocomp on large AoE weapons "is" very strong though
Especially on the railgun it lets you shoot through multiple walls and hit enemies behind those, seeking is a seriously powerful trait to add to weapons

course for the death's head it's virtually mandatory if you want to use the railgun without getting cucked by even the remotest bit of intelligence on the enemy's part

>>98533673
>One of the problems i have with lancer is that its difficult to get into the head of a character who could just drop all of this at any moment, fly to union space, apply for asylum and receive their government mandated free everything
Idk, why dont you quit you job and live on welfare?

>>98537426
because living on welfare means eating chicken and rice as a best case scenario while sleeping in your car

>>98537426
I don't think there are any sources that state what a union coreworld citizen gets but it's fair to assume it is pretty rich and makes XXI century first world luxury look like a prison sentence.

>>98537927
part of luxury is exclusivity and that is not going to exist in the core worlds, everything is available for everyone
however in terms of comfort, yes it's probably better than anything we have possibly available on average

>>98533673
>like why am i putting my life in danger piloting a mech for any of this?
Because people generally like to be useful, and in the Union it's quite easy to become useful if you want to. You can just skip pass all the shitty wagie business.

>>98521321
I ran Solstice Rain for my group sothat we could all try out Lancer and see how it was. Yeah, that permanently poisoned them against Lancer considering just how brutal it is against brand new people, and I didn't like seeing my player's get their shit kicked in for 3 combats in a row so I just dropped it. I think what further poisoned me against it was when I talked about my dissapoitnment in the diificulty for a scenario meant to onboard new people, I not only got insulted but had so many people tell me it would've been easy for my players if they just all made some powerful combos of gear and ten just repeated actions combinations. Think one of the last things I want to hear as a GM is just tell my players all to play the same way as each other and just repeat the same steps over and over again until they can finally get 1 or 2 new pieces of gear (and then get their asses kicked by later encounters anyways).

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>>98538352
Oh wow and i thought that solstice rain was bad just based off the premise.
>planet pretty close appearance wise to earth, no interesting scifi business here
>goodguy nation
>evilnazi nation
>evilnazi invade
>you have to help the goodguy nation
>combat encounter, combat encounter, combat encountet, bossfight, end
That's something i could come up with in an afternoon while feeling lazy. I also had a look at shadow of the wolf and came to the conclusion that wallflower is the only interesting thing they wrote

I'm toying a bit with a shamelessly stolen from TF2 intro mission where the players start out in pilot combat mode in a war zone and have to track down a mech transport whereupon they'll find all the actual pilots are dead and emergency protocols authorize them to hop in the mechs

but finding good advise on how to run pilot combat sections is hard
anyone done any extensive pilot combat?

>>98538343
>Because people generally like to be useful
lmao

>>98538637
My recommendation is to get a rules-light system from some other game of choice and just do that instead during pilot-centric sections. The default is fine for quasi-narrative scuffles with theater of the mind but the second you need to care about actual tactics or positioning then you want something with more teeth.

>>98538944
it's not meant to be that long, just like (hopefully) one session of reaching the transport
but yeh it's very barebones, was hoping there were some expansions or so

>>98539046
No Room For A Wallflower has a clock system that you can sorta scuff into a more robust narrative combat loop but it's not gonna be pretty

>>98539067
thanks I'll check it out
probably just making it harder for myself than it should be, idea of the campaign is supposed to be a civil war campaign and the players are meant to be locals to raise the stakes, so thought it'd be cute to have them not start out as mech pilots

in part stems from funnily enough since other people are talking about it, dissatisfaction with solstice rain and how it was handled and trying to get a much more nuanced conflict between various factions which in turn are supported by various bigger players so the players can actually have a significant input on how the civil war plays out

and thought that them getting mechs in the middle of a combat zone was a good narrative moment but practical matters are annoying

>>98510226
Unironically Based

>>98538556
I thought it was cliched as all hell for story, but figured since it was literally the adventure that everyone recommends for beginners that we'd do that and then go from there. I was thinking it was Lancer's version of "Night of Blood" or "Rough Night at the Three Feathers" for WHFRP, ya know, actually good intros that get immediately get everyone in the mindset for the setting and all up on the rules. If anything, I'm glad I ran that so we all got to learn how shit Lancer and it's community are.

Im actually soon to run something similar in nature to solstice rain as the first "Big operation with deeper ties to the overall story" of my merc campaign.
>planet that was once part of the local big empire (whos also a staunch anti-union empire and have a good reason for it due to seccomm oppression) menages to get its independence
>immediately after they just go to war with each other with independents and pro union countries (union did arm them with the union version of the cia trying to pull off a banana republic sort of thing)
>pro union are further divided between those who want to be part of union and those who want to be part of HA
>HA aligned country betrays the others and invades a neutral buffer region since it has the only omninet relay on the planet and a space elevator
>Non HA unionfags make an uneasy alliance with the indipendents to fight with the HA country
>party comes into play as they are hired for "operation parable"

>party boards a civilian ro-ro ferry, they are supposed to hide in it till they are a few hundred km's from the coast, then board drop ships hidden in it and take the airport of a large coastal city (and where the relay is located), with the objective to secure the relay
>as they travel, first they notice a drone circling above them, then later a fighter jet comes to investigate, and depending on how they do (i have a good idea on how they can do well, not sure how they can fuck it up so suggestions are welcome) they may or may not have a fight on the sea protecting the ferry from cruise missiles and bombers
>the airport attack itself its supposed to be a hostomel tier fuck up badly planned and only going well thanks to the party (if they win of course)
i got more planned but im keeping it light because i dont wanna railroad my boys.

I do admit i read solstice rain to get some idea how to do a proper operation, but man that thing is such a railroad, not even a good one at that.

>>98538944
>>98538637

>you need to care about actual tactics or positioning then you want something with more teeth.
i suggest the pdf "bleeding hussars" for that too, it adds a lot of fun equipment to make tactical pilot level combat better.

I almost lost 2 structure in the last combat after my GM shot my Drake like 20 times and gave it 11 burn so I decided to put Reactive Weave on it.

First time lancer player, here, I got invited to a one shot on 4 hours.

Whats the most busted, meme-like build i can go for that is centered around going super fast and hitting other mechs in the face with a melee weapon.

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>>98541389
>>party boards a civilian ro-ro ferry
Sounds like something union wouldn't like being associated with. I'd have HA try and smear them for hiding weapons in a civilian craft later. Maybe have sime union higherup come along later and ask who signed off on a warcrime in a conflict where every bit of bad pr will come back to bite them later

>>98541750
What LL are you at? If you don't want to think Blackbeard is great for just grappling the shit out of people then hitting them with a claymore.

>>98541750
Blackbeard with skirmisher 2 and executioner using a nanocarbon blade
the thing is with Lancer if you go deep into enemy lines you will get swarmed and fucked, and melee is incredibly underpowered compared to ranged weapons
if you want what is actually busted out of the entire list, it's lycan, for melee. It was mentioned earlier in this thread why it's busted.

>>98541826
LL 1 it's supposed to be an introductory one shot for beginners

>>98542058
Then you're not going to really get a "build", you're going to have whatever weapons you think are the coolest strapped to an Everest. You don't get a custom frame until LL2 and it's not until 4-6 where you get anything fleshed out enough to really function with synergy that isn't on-rails within a license.

>>98538663
>>Because people generally like to be useful
Yeah, they do. Enough don't, but if you dangle the opportunity to be important and matter in front of people, a lot will take it. Particurally since, again, in Union you don't need to jump through as many bullshit hoops to achieve this as IRL.

Does anyone have experience with the Metalmark/Amber Phantom
Do they actually work as melee frames properly or are they better with ranged weapons?

>thread been up for almost a month
>keeps dropping to the bottom of the catalog
>would have fallen off the board multiple times
>only thing saving it are timed bursts of "totally organic activity" that occur just as its reaching the bottom quarter
>posting styles indicate only a handful of participants
Just accept your attempts to force board presence are not working and go back to your discord. Nobody wants your communist 4e clone.

>>98542611
>almost a month
It's been up for 15 days

>>98542611
>everyone i dislike is in a discord server conspiring against me

>>98542586
AP is good at doing the shock knife/shock wreath combo because of the main/aux mount. Grab hunter and duelist then run around making the super annoying artillery and controllers sad blinding them and ramming them prone. if you grab universal comparability you can just camo most rounds and not have to worry about the heat buildup

>>98542611
ill have you know i necrobump the thread purely because i want to yap about lancer, its my recent fixation and neither you nor the devs retarded politics will stop me from playing it

>build interest about Lancer
>look in the book
>all humans are some kind of shitskin mongrel or a fat woman

Are there any normal people in the Lancer universe?

>>98542801
I was a bit worried about that heat buildup on account of it having an SSC heat cap with a 3 heat per round buildup while also being a mech that enjoys seemingly a fair bit of agility so can't quite go all in on engineering

it worth going with some HA licenses to help manage heat?

>>98542831
im normally not a fan of dumping agility like most lancer community recommends but AP has enough evasion and speed along with the hyperawareness that putting your stats into especially eng then hull is a good call. if you want to go down HA to grab SBD as your second core that's fine, Id grab gil 1 for the emergency repair to stack with reactive weave, but you wont have the sp to spare for much else, metalmark licence is pretty self sufficient

>>98542827
In any setting where humanity has conquered the stars, it's safe to assume there's some whities in the background who make it all work

>>98542611
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU SIMPLY MUST LET A PERFECTLY GOOD CONTAINMENT GENERAL DIE TO THE PUCKEE SHITSUNAMI!!!
Kill yourself as slow as possible in minecraft

>>98537927
>pretty rich and makes XXI century first world luxury look like a prison sentence
And all of that to a Pilot(tm) should/would seem like this >>98537463

>>98542869
my sorta thought is that the more evasion you have the more valuable evasion increases become
but yeh system points become annoying, probably a bit ambitious trying to fit an Agni into an AP for even more heat reduction and some extra burn buildup for shock wreath

also kind of trying to figure what the best main melee is, if going with HA probably one of the GMS weapons since I really don't like the superthermal

Wait I was told this game's setting was a communist utopia, how can there be corporations and some people richer than others?

>>98542931
>a communist utopia, how can there be corporations and some people richer than others?
Imagine China but the wetmarkets sell premium Wagyu as a baseline

>>98542931
Utopia is built on the backs of people who are technically outside of utopia's jurisdiction

>>98542928
>the more evasion you have the more valuable evasion increases become

in my experience this is only true if you also have reliable sources of giving difficulty to enemy attacks, at least going by crb npcs who get some crazy bonuses to hit. Like I said AP has the tools to make that work, but 12 evasion along with on demand invisibility and difficulty to hit is already enough that you can spare offsetting your weaknesses (in the same way maxing agility as Genghis is actually very viable)

its up to you, and your benefits to bracing along with universal comparability make it so either is viable, honestly Id see what your team is going as because if you have a house guard defender buddy agility would be great

>>98542111
You've mistaken the desire to be seen as and feel useful for being useful.

>>98542971
>in the same way maxing agility as Genghis is actually very viable
I've run a 4 AGI Tortuga before, and it genuinely helped a lot

>>98541764
>I'd have HA try and smear them for hiding weapons in a civilian craft later
absolutely, in this part of space union is sort of divided into two factions:
>Usual vanilla good guy union, trying to unify the region via cultural victory and bringing ominet connection to everyone
>CIA tier schemers of the UIB that want a union aligned region now no matter the cost and pull off all sorts of horrible plans trying to one up HA
>>98542611
i just wanna talk about one of the rpg's im playing in a place thats not a plague infested discord shithole

>98542611
you'll say this about lancer but none of the RPGs you actually like that get similar action in threads
anyway no one give this faggot any more (You)s

>>98543187
>>none of the RPGs you actually like that get similar action in threads
>implying that faggot plays games

>>98533673
>One of the problems i have with lancer is that its difficult to get into the head of a character who could just drop all of this at any moment, fly to union space, apply for asylum and receive their government mandated free everything, like why am i putting my life in danger piloting a mech for any of this?
It's absolutely horrifying to read that and I hope you don't vote. You are fundamentally missing part of the human soul.

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current tokens made for my players, i do admit while i like retrograde's style i cant draw mechs for shit, so i just kitbash/photoshop/draw stuff and then feed it to the slop machine to get that 16bit pixel art look

>>98544339
not beating tranny allegations I see

>>98542586
Amber Phantom gets absolutely wild in later builds. Super fun frame.

>>98542611
I want it enough to make threads. That's enough.
You're impotent to stop me.

>>98544339
I wanna see the raleigh clock someone upside the head with those balls

>>98544419
presume you mean the anime girl mech.
its more gooner really, i have been playing with the guy who made that for more than a decade and in every system he always makes sexy ladies with big asses, tits or both so he can draw porn of it.

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I just use PSO2 to make my Lancers or Mechs.
Here is my Dusk Wing

>>98544339
that miku mech is so cute but when you said you used slop my boner instantly got soft
>>98545826
you know this makes me tempted to run a PSO game with lancer's system

>>98542890
Better idea: we don't entertain thr blatant communist shill thread from the group that has spent years alternating between trying to push stealth generals and parasitize /mechamonday/ especially when it is clearly 3 - 5 dudes necrobumping it and rehashing the same talking points.

>>98542766
">Teeheehee silly anon we would never be part of a leftwing server associated with a leftwing game. We- I mean they would never want to infiltrate and subvert your hobby to push our- I mean their agenda anyway"

>>98543187
>>98543348
They do and kek, the "you DoNt PlAy GaMeS" argument, I get more playtime than the average lancer 'player'. Not having to spend half the session on establishing boundaries and sensitivity counselling because someone got triggered helps

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>trying out Lancer
>thrown into solstice rain at LL0
>no-one including the GM has played Lancer before
>beat the entire campaign with only one (one) mech casualty at the tail end of scenario 3
Good party composition and experienced players, I guess. I'm party tank, so Drake now and LHAC soon.

Where do you guys go for pre-made maps? Most of those online are obviously not built with mechs in mind, nor for cleanly aligning to grids. The generic fantasy maps with jungles work fine, I suppose, but they're getting a bit repetitive.

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>>98547622
battletech maps are quite useful for this. If you feel daring enough to delve in the dark pits of hell, the lancer discord has some battlemaps repositories
actually, i dont want you to suffer, have the link: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HEcgdjk2klCRLdrJU4wdXFnuscDnXuH43J9OcTKkKE8/edit?gid=1662249392#gid=1662249392

>>98533673
I mean yeah thinking of lancer pilots as just wagies making a buck to put food on the table is probably a bad idea.

>>98542981
Those are effectively the samething. For someone to truly want to be useful in an "objective" sense they would have to be a objective observer.

>>98533673
Why would you make a character in lancer who doesn't want to be a mech pilot? This is like saying you can't get in the head space of an adventurer because "Why would I risk my life going into dungeons and living on the road when I can just go become a farmer and have a house and a family.

>>98514646
The catholic church is explictly in lancer and No Room for a Wallflower features a catholic sect and references a catholic theocratic state existing elsewhere on Hercynia.

"The Catholic Union Cathedral and the Tomb of St. Tellus are a large cathedral and sepulcher in the Cenote neighborhood, where the Hercynian church of Catholic Union keeps its headquarters. The Tomb of St. Tellus is a holy site dedicated to the remains of St. Tellus, though his earthly remains consist only of a femur and vestments. A folk saint canonized by the Catholic Union on Hercynia (but not yet by the broader Catholic Union church, due to Hercynia’s isolation from the rest of the galaxy), St. Tellus was said to have been a martyr who led human survivors through the aftermath of the Hercynian Crisis to find safety in the hives. The worship of St. Tellus continues to thrive among the Union Catholics of Hercynia, making his resting place an important religious site for the people of Hivehome."

>>98548376
>appearances and desire are effectively the same thing as actual activity
lmao
No anon, you nitwit. Go volunteer someplace for a year. You'll see what I'm talking about.

>>98515135
Okay but then you don't need bespoke mechanics for it, just reflavor the stuff that already exists. The mechs and weapons in the rules are just "patterns" after all. They aren't meant to be a specific concrete thing.

>>98515811
The problem is largely that NPCs don't increase in power alongside the players, they just suddenly become way more powerful when you hit the new tier.

>>98548372
Except the only thing you earn are goodboy points to buy your next upgrade with

>>98548784
That's because it's a reskinned dungeon crawler

>>98520654
It's basically just a star trek federation clone.

>>98536276
Not really, there's no conversion to real world measurements you can make really.

>>98537927
And what you can get on welfare is what a mediveal peasent would labour all year to provide for themselves

>>98548863
Anon, can you truly not imagine any sort of motivation beyond someone paying you/slash giving you something?

>>98548723
Anon I would love to see you prove that true selflessness exists in a form that can't be explained by self-interest.

>>98549047
>we play as hard bitter mercs
>no we don't get paid in money we fight for good feelings and commiebot good goy points
Wow

>>98549069
What is the difference between someone who volunteers at a soup kitchen out of altruism, and someone who volunteers at a soup kitchen out of a sense of smug superiority that they keep to themselves? What is the difference between either of them and someone who instead spends their weekend shitposting about strawmen on a mongolian basketweaving forum? If you're utterly prey to whatever combination of contrarianism and utter lack of introspection allows you to say that no form of genuine charity is possible, you can at least acknowledge the difference between praxis in pursuit of an ideology or ideal and meaningless bitching.

>>98549069
Anon I would love for you to be able to understand that not all good intentions are the same as good actions.
That's it. That's the entire point. You've fallen into literally posting
>the desire to be seen as and feel useful for being useful.
>Those are effectively the samething.
This is an absurdly sheltered perspective only possible if you've never actually done anything in a group with differing skill and commitment levels.
That you're deflecting to some sort of altruism bullshit is irrelevant.

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>>98549089
>>no we don't get paid in money
>Imblying

>>98546983
>bro is really still worried about commie infiltrators

Communism is dead anon, who do you think is working against you? Cuba?

>>98549089
>we play as hard bitter mercs

Not beating the allegations anon if this all you can think of

Also getting access to better weaponry and access to military assets isn't worth it in the eyes of a merc?

>>98549096
>What is the difference between someone who volunteers at a soup kitchen out of altruism, and someone who volunteers at a soup kitchen out of a sense of smug superiority that they keep to themselves?

And how are you going to prove the someone is the latter and not the former? They're both working in the soup kitchen anon, maybe some are bad at hiding it but you'll never be able to prove it otherwise.

>>98549104
>Anon I would love for you to be able to understand that not all good intentions are the same as good actions.

And you will never know if your good intentions will lead to good actions without being omnipotent. Maybe you saving that man's life leads to him murdering 5 people. Maybe you helping someone who needs it now means you can't help more people later. All we have is our intentions, there's no way to actually know the full consequences of our actions.

>>98549664
lol you're either demented or so fucked about being wrong you've had to do whatever this is.
Wait till you hit phil 101, you'll lose your marbles.

>>98549692
>just takes a philosophy 101 class and then becomes a utilitarian

Lol way to prove the stereotype, let me know when someone actually figures out how to empirically measure and compare utility and then I'll take you seriously.

>>98549812
>Lol way to prove the stereotype
>some pseudo intellectual garbage
No one cares if you take them seriously you idiot. You've already pissed yourself publicly enough its too late for that.

>>98549654
That's my point. Motives matter less than actions. They're both doing more than the person yapping.

>>98542586
Running metalmark, works as a skirmisher with some melee but is too fragile for sustained frontline combat

Friends, I come bearing a question.
Scylla NHP gives a skirmish twice per round.
There's also the rule where every action can only be used once per round
Can I use Scylla NHP to react with the same mount twice per round, assuming both activations are Scylla activations? Or do I need to have two non-vorpal mounts to take full advantage of Scylla?

>>98550447
duplicate actions is 1x action per turn
Scylla is 2x skirmish per round

so the only thing you can't do is take 2 Scylla actions on the same enemy turn, but you can just take them on 2 separate enemy turns

>>98550549
>duplicate actions is 1x action per turn
Oh, thank you anon. I was not aware that that was the distinction