Why does the Imperium even bother with Sisters of battle considering how ineffectual women soldiers are. Not to mention emotionally vulnerable, which is a much bigger deal in the 40k universe because literal demons exist. Are they just a propaganda unit?
>why does [question about 40k lore]the answer is always expensive plastic toys
>>98472660Realistically any human would be ineffectual. You're just doing the same old "heroic power fantasy for me, but not for thee" thing.
>>98472660Alright newfriend, I'll bite https://gprivate.com/6lttt
>>98472660>Ecclesiarchy can't have 'men under arms'>Has women instead >Outfitted in power armour that boosts strengthIt's a mystery, OP, nobody knows
>>98472660The Imperium doesn’t need its soldiers to be particularly effective, it just needs a lot of them
Humans in general are probably tougher in the 41st millennium. Remember, these are the descendants of people who survived the robot war and the breakup of humanity's first space empire.
>>98472660Unlike Normal Women, they are trained from a young age, PLUS they get the best armor and weapons. They are few in numbers but at the same time they are not all combat. Like most of them are in a support role for the rest of the Imperium. The most famous Sister of Battles are just front and center so it looks like they are all combat all the time.
>>98472768>they are trained from a young age, PLUS they get the best armor and weaponsyou'd expect giving men training from a young age and the best equipment to be far more efficient use of resources
>>98472778>Imperium>efficient use of resourcesLol. Lmao even
>>98472778well we did that before anon and the horus heresy happened
>>98472778Stop being a fucking Tourist and go read a 40k already.
>>98472660>Not to mention emotionally vulnerable, which is a much bigger deal in the 40k universe because literal demons exist.Even with Fallen Sisters, the Sororita have statistically way better resistance to the corrupting powers of Chaos then almost all Imperium forces.
>>98472778The Imperium doesn’t care about any of that, we’re talking about an empire that considers the loss of 200 billion Guardsmen to be a rounding error.
>>98472660They can summon powers of faith, which men can't. Simple as.
>>98472660>why women in thing>woman useless at everything.
the worst thing about tards like op is that they are either incapable of stating the type of thread they really want and have to get it by being "ironic" or he really thinks he is making some controversial statement, despite said statement being so common here that it has its own dedicate meme from over a decade ago in the form of the -4 strength shitpost
>>98472831Only because the writers aren't can't/won't/ write femalte characters with flaws.
>>98472894The Imperial Guard is just untrained rabble thorwn at the enemy as meat shields without any thought?
>>98472660See >>98472695Then consider suicide.
>>98472900Powers of Faith are just psykic powers under a different name. Even if they were different, they'd still make no sense since women are not more religiously inclined than men.
>>98472660Because the church wants an army.Next question
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>>98472675fpbpalso nuns with guns is cool
>>98472660It is specifically a legal loophole - The church wants an army, law prevents them from maintaining a standing army of 'men under arms'. 'Let's use women instead' is their workaround to have one at all.
>>98472660Men gets too angry and are too easily guided by emotions.Just look at reality, monks are as imperfect or perfect as nuns. There will always be this one monk who is the fragile chain part who gets killed or possesed by a demon!>>98472675>>98473114/thread
>>98472660>"what is the 'age of apostasy'">"whom is 'Sebastian Thorne'">"What is the 'decree passive' and its loophole"Try reading the lore or just neck rope yourself.
>>98472660>why nuns with guns in gothic themed power armor?
>>98472660Why does the Skaven Under-Empire even bother with eshin assassins considering how ineffectual rat-women combatants are? not to mention emotionally vulnerable to seduction, which is a much bigger deal in Age of Sigmar because literal furry artists exist in the fandom. are they just a propaganda unit?
>>98473487Female skaven are fat baby factories.
>>98473584the ones that can't have kids due to warpstone poisoning get relegated to man-thing honeytraps instead of getting mutated.
The only thing stopping the imperium from fielding Children's Crusade regiments in that they lost the stc for the LasJr.
>>98473025I mean, going about real life statistics, about 96% of criminals are men? Women are biologically less prone to violent and irrational behaviour. And what is chaos worship but irrational?
>>98472894>considers the loss of 200 billion Guardsmen to be a rounding error.The loss of 200 billion Guardsmen would be catastrophic. Black Library authors are often really bad at scale given the way they throw numbers around, but the most realistic number I've seen for the Imperium going, "damn, that's a problem" is 40 billion, as seen in the Devastation of Baal.
>>98472894>200 billionanon that's a fifth of a trillion, the total combined Guard strength across the entire imperium is no more than about ten to fifty trillion (assuming every planet tithed at least 50,000 troops, but we know most planets in the Imperium have tiny populations and can only tithe regiments of about 5k to 10k). Yes, they can simply tithe more soldiers, but usually the Imperium isn't replacing entire regiments, it's just restocking depleted ones that need casualties replaced. Replacing 200 billion dead guardsmen would literally empty 1,000 less developed worlds of their entire populations, leaving only hive worlds in a sector that can shoulder such ridiculous losses but would no longer have anyone farming or mining raw resources for them, and they'd soon collapse.
>>98473584Only the alpha ones.
>>98472660How many Space Marine chapters have defected to Chaos vs how many Sisters of Battle orders have?
>>98473487Funny story - I'm a WH40k casual and back when I played Darktide the characters would occasionally talk about>ratling snipersand at first I thought it was just a reference to Vermintide, before I learned ratlings were an actual thing in 40k and thought Skaven somehow being part of the "human" faction was cool, like obviously they wouldn't mind living in a hive city, right? Only to finally look it up and being incredibly disappointed to find out that "ratlings" in 40k are ugly halflings. Like why call them ratlings? This is bullshit.
>>98473025Nah, the real reason is that GW very studiously gives every other faction besides Space Marines and Imperial Guard some excuse as to why they don't fall to Chaos. You don't want half of the entire model line be "the same faction but with spikes this time". So factions that don't have a in-game Chaos version always get some bs line to explain why there isn't a Chaos version of them. Tau are the worst about this, because they should be by all rights completely inundated with Chaos cults because they don't even understand how Chaos/Warp operates in the setting. But apparently they have "low psychic presence", as if that would stop all the other aliens in their empire from worshiping and spreading Chaos.
>>98473978On one end of the psyker spectrum you have beings like the Eldar, who have major psychic ability but also are not easy prey for getting their souls nommed by demons (until they die, at least). On the end end of the spectrum you have most of the other alien races, who have very low psychic ability and demons barely even notice that they are there. Humans are in the sweet spot of psychic potential that makes them vulnerable/tastey for demons and not actually being in control of that potential so they can't keep the demons out. Chaos is unironically a human specific problem, and humanity empowered chaos massively just by existing even when not actively worshiping them.RAW, the most effective anti-chaos plan that could ever be put forward would be to perform a mass culling and reduce the entire galactic human population down to a size that fits into a single solar system until we complete our psychic evolution and only then re-spread out into the galaxy once more. Chaos would run out of gas without the massive human population feeding them.
>>98474024>Chaos is unironically a human specific problemRemind me again, who created Slaanesh? The Chaos gods were kicking around long before humanity was a major factor. There's a reason Necrons want to separate the Warp from regular reality.Even ignoring the worship angle, there's also the mutation angle where GW once again takes the path of least resistance where every major species except mankind has very strong resistance to mutations so they don't have to bother writing fluff about that other species do when people start sprouting extra arms or eyes.
>>98473059lurk more
>>98472660Cause 40k ripped of dune, and the worm had a army of bitches, so the gold boy also needs a army of bitches. It's that simple.
>>98472660Because the Church is a faction and needs their own army to stand out amongst all the other cool specialist armies. You'd be better off asking why the Skitarii or Imperial Agents exist.
>>98472660Because hot space nuns in power armor makes my PP hard
>>98474044>The Chaos gods were kicking around long before humanity was a major factor.Not actually true, Chaos was a relatively minor threat to existence for most of history. They only graduated to an immediate danger because of human development. Humanity is what awakened Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch, the Eldar only awoke Slaanesh, but even after that Slaanesh strongly favors humanity as worshipers over Eldar. It's why he took Lucius and Fulgrim as his champions rather than any Eldar.
>>98474097You can't just say that, anon! Don't you know that all things cool and appealing in fiction need a scientific, real-world explanation to be the way they are and everything lame and obnoxious just... doesn't okay?!
>>98473788>>98473820The Guard has thrown away at least 200 billion Guardsmen fighting against a single frontline against the Tau. Not even all of their frontlines, in other areas of space, just one of them. This is an enemy mind you that is so weak and pathetic to the Imperium barely thinks about them at all. The Imperium likely has hundreds of trillions of guardsmen at minimum, and possibly quadrillions of guardsmen, maybe even tens or hundreds of quadrillions.
>>98472684This. Any realistic scifi setting would just have orbital bombardments with interplanetary missiles with almost no actual armies or warships.
>>98474532>likely has hundreds of trillions of guardsmen at minimumMaybe, but probably not>possibly quadrillions of guardsmen, maybe even tens or hundreds of quadrillions.Lol, no, there aren't even quadrillions of humans in the Imperium. Most Imperial worlds (the most ordinary and numerous of the Imperium's world types) have small populations of mere millions at most. Hive worlds with hundreds of billions of people on them are rare.
>>98472660>Why does the Imperium even bother with Sisters of battleThey don't. There's barely any. And there's this >>98472730>>98473042Powers of faith are summoned by the combined powers of consensus of thought and synchronized menstrual cycles.
>>98473741No way you just said women are less irrational. Lmao.
>>98474532>The Guard has thrown away at least 200 billion Guardsmen fighting against a single frontline against the Tau.Damocles was a Segmentum-scale crusade, which represents a massive gathering of resources far beyond the norm for the Imperium. Those losses were not taken lightly, it was not a casual expediture but a colossal disaster. After the crusade went pear-shaped, the Imperium realized they could not afford to send another crusade, they had nothing left to send at the Tau because they were already stretched to their limits. That's why they deployed their secret weapon to set space itself on fire and block the Tau from expanding any deeper into Imperial territory.
>>98474560There are quadrillions of humans on Terra alone. That means that each hive world and forge world could also have quadrillions, and there are about 32,000 hive worlds. So the Imperium could easily have a population in the hundreds of quadrillions, maybe even quintillions.
>>98474575>There are quadrillions of humans on Terra alone.Nope. It might be just over a trillion, but quadrillions is pure headcanon.>That means that each hive world and forge world could also have quadrillionsIncorrect. There's only one hive world in the lore listed as 'beyond census' which is Necromunda, the Administratum gave up counting at the 80 billion mark in Hive Primus alone. >and there are about 32,000 hive worlds.Far less than that, and most of them only have a single hive like Atoma, which has 72 billion living in it. >So the Imperium could easily have a population in the hundreds of quadrillions, maybe even quintillions.Absolutely not. There's not a single source that supports such a ridiculous claim. I don't think you even understand basic math; the sheer scale of a single quadrillion is essentially impossible to even conceive of.
>>98474601>”I am alone again now. Strange to say that, surrounded as I am by the quadrillions of the Throneworld, and yet it is truer now than it has ever been."-Watchers of the Throne Were talking about an empire that considered the 14 millions Guardsmen lost at the siege of vraks to be the equivalent of a light scouting party, the loss of a quadrillion guardsmen wouldn’t even get a shrug
>>98474617>Were talking about an empire that considered the 14 millions Guardsmen lost at the siege of vraks to be the equivalent of a light scouting partyRead the damn Imperial Armor volumes and stop saying this retarded headcanon. Vraks was an unmitigated disaster on all accounts.>BL loreLMAO
>>98474215>Humanity is what awakened Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch, the Eldar only awoke SlaaneshSlaanesh is the youngest of the four, the other three were kicking around even before Eldar ruled the galaxy.>Chaos was a relatively minor threat to existence for most of historyExcept, you know, obliterating one of the biggest and most powerful pre-Imperium empires to have existed, but sure. And Chaos was already a huge headache even before the Eldar ruled, hence why Necrons have all manner of anti-Chaos tech.
>>98472753This is already unknown factor. In 40k, 6 ft is considered short. Somebody who has average musculature will weigh like 250#.
>>98474624Every book is going to hype up their own campaigns, but if the Imperium is willing to send hundreds of billions against the Tau (not even in the Damocles Crusade mind you, this is just a continual grinding frontline in the Canis Salient as part of the Deathwatch books), then it stands to reason that, any conflict he Imperium is actually taking seriously would have, at minimum, trillions, if not tens or hundreds of trillions of Guardsmen.
>>98472660They make my dick hard that's why
>>98474540Why would that be any more effectual than it is in real life? Making it interplanetary in scale would just create a whole host of new issues and compound old ones.
>>98472778The priesthood is forbidden from having its men bear arms.
>>98474568>consensus of thought and synchronized menstrual cycles.So it's the human waaagh?
>>98474641>Slaanesh is the youngest of the four, the other three were kicking around even before Eldar ruled the galaxy.Not actually true. All the Chaos Gods existed since before the universe began, but they only awoke (became active rather than passive tumors in the Warp) due to certain events. Read my image, it explains how and why Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were awoken by humanity.>Except, you know, obliterating one of the biggest and most powerful pre-Imperium empires to have existed, but sure. It would be more accurate to say the Eldar destroyed themselves, and it was that self-destruction that brought Slaanesh into existence. >And Chaos was already a huge headache even before the Eldar ruled, hence why Necrons have all manner of anti-Chaos tech.Anti-Warp, not anti-Chaos. They were only repairing the tears in reality they themselves created by smashing the C'tan.
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>>98474838>Read my image, it explains how and why Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch were awoken by humanity.That's some nulore nonsense. Slaanesh was always the youngest of the big four. Unless you want to argue that primitive humans on a single planet awoke 3 Chaos gods and the far more psychically gifted Eldar needed an empire of decadence to awaken one.>It would be more accurate to say the Eldar destroyed themselves, and it was that self-destruction that brought Slaanesh into existence. You have it the wrong way round, it was the birth of Slaanesh that destroyed their empire. It was their excesses and decadence that brought about his birth, but excess and decadence =/= self-destruction. Even your own nulore picture acknowledges that it was the birth of Slaanesh that killed off most of the Eldar. Eldar empire would have been fine if the Chaos wasn't an existential threat to nearly all living beings.>Anti-Warp, not anti-Chaos. They were only repairing the tears in reality they themselves created by smashing the C'tan.There is no meaningful difference between the two. Anything that is anti-Warp is anti-Chaos, and vice versa.
>>98474879>That's some nulore nonsense.No, that's actually some of the oldest lore, with like, the first Daemon Prince of Khorne being Genghis Khan...
>>98473978The entire reply chain that follows this post falls under a phenomenon I really want to find a blanket term for.Anon #1 says that there are few, if any, chaos units because GW corporate doesn't want to pump out entire model lines of "existing army, but chaos". By all rights they should exist in the setting, but to justify it, contrived and contradictory lore reasons will be invented by corporate to explain why only humans seem to fall to chaos.Anon #2 says no, it makes perfect sense, and goes on to cite the contradictory lore that GW just pushed out for this purpose and the discussion goes back and forth from there. In essence Anon #1 is saying the concept itself is stupid, because of external reasons. Lore can be created to justify literally anything.Anon #2 is arguing it's not stupid because of those lore reasons that got haphazardly created to justify something.This argument isn't going to end, it's impossible, because they're coming from two completely different viewpoints and Anon #2 is incapable of understanding what's happening.This needs a name because I see it fucking everywhere.
>>98472660Women are better at being dogmatic believers in something, you can show them unequivocal truths and they'll still go "merp :P" and cling to their beliefs
>>98473978>as if that would stop all the other aliens in their empire from worshiping and spreading Chaos.They have the Nicassar for stopping that
>>98475079Powerful psykers make Chaos spreading more likely, not less.
>>98475084Nah, that's just a human skill issue, the Eldar and Orks both are operating with more psychic potential than humanity and they never ran into constant Chaos cults, same thing with AI.
>>98475089>the Eldar and Orks both are operating with more psychic potential than humanity and they never ran into constant Chaos cults,The fall of the eldar was orders of magnitude worse than any regular human chaos cult
>>98475208The fall of the Eldar took 60 million years to happen, for 60 million years they basically had no problems with Chaos until that one event, and afterwards they've continued to have no problems outside of needing the soulstones now and practicing a bit more self-discipline (outside of the dark elves)
>>98475231>and afterwards they've continued to have no problemsAfterwards they had to completely rework the entire social structure of their society just to keep from falling into Chaos, with both solutions demanding constant upkeep and dedication to the point that they have withered away and stopped being relevant on the galactic scale despite being superior to most other races both physically and mentally while also being the second-most technically advanced race.
>>98475325After 60 million years of success. The Imperium is already decaying and will never reach the heights of the Eldar or Necrons despite having been around for a sliver of that time. Safe to say it's not being psychically powerful that's the issue, it's just a human skill issue.
>>98472660Because crazy bitches, trained properly, will become the ultimate ride-or-die, and will perform the most insane shit possible to please their man. The Imperium taps into its population of psycho chicks and utilizes them to create fanatical zealots who will serve the Emperor with the utmost loyalty.
>>98472660Bait
>>98473042>Powers of Faith are just psykic powers under a different name.False, they are mechanically distinct.>Even if they were different, they'd still make no sense since women are not more religiously inclined than men.Interesting how in the OP you are willing to provide caveats for things working differently in the 40k universe but suddenly are unwilling to accept such facts now. Nonetheless, Human women in 40k have objectively stronger faith than Human men in 40k, as proven by their ability to summon faith powers.Now that you've received the conclusive answer I trust you will be deleting your thread.
>>98473741She's not going to read this and fuck you little bro.
>>98475704>they are distinctthem being distinct is a very very recent change, as in less than a few years old change, just look at the fall of cadia book where upon activating a necron pylon (those things that pretty much cut off the warp and any pyschic shit happening) Celestine went from a giga powerful being to just another sister of battle, you even had Custodian remarking in another short story the irony of sisters purging a bunch of pyskers when there faith powers was really just due to them being latent pyskers
>>98474540I mean , you could always make iron dome infestructure and make humans armies about destroying that , although this does seem like similar cope of martial arts person. how much science could change in the future and how much bullshit you can sell as science in the future.
>>98474601>Absolutely not. There's not a single source that supports such a ridiculous claim. I don't think you even understand basic math; the sheer scale of a single quadrillion is essentially impossible to even conceive of.not the same anon. I mean , so its the scale of infinity and people use that in stories
>>98473741Women aren't less prone to violence, only less capable of it
>>98473042Women tend to be the enforcers of the social norms handed down by authorities.In religious cultures, including historical ones, it was extremely common for women to at least strongly profess religion, as the church community is in these contexts the most accessible and universal social sphere.
>>98475899So you acknowledge they are distinct, as per canon. Good! Glad we could get this sorted.
>>98476879>>98475899>899▶>>98476879>>>98475704not that same anon.doesn't this imply that their are new metaphysics in the setting , I though all metaphysics on the setting were made up 4 things (how science works , the old ones , some actual gods and the wrap).were is faith powers on that scale , how do they work.t- anon that doesn't know much about 40k passing by.
>>98472660They're literally a legal loop hole military created by a madman who wanted an army and a bunch of wives.>>98472730>Outfitted in power armour that boosts strengthMost sisters don't even get the strength boost, that requires even more training with interface ports.
>>98472660A small mind is easy to fill with devotion. I see them more like an upgunned paramilitary, like the Waffen-SS. They do not have to be good front soldiers, as they mainly meant to deal with internal enemies, where their bloodthirsty fanatism can be put to good use.
>>98472660Because i have a fetish for butch/dyke women.
>>98474624GW is notoriously shit with numbers. I just completely ignore any numbers they throw out at this point
>>98475089> Necrons are literally soulless AI copies of dead Necrontyr> Tau AI isn't advanced enough yet> votann are clones enslaved to ancient AI colony programmesFuck AI
>>98472660>Are they just a propaganda unit?When it comes down to it, yes, pretty much. Also, power armors.
>>98472768>they are not all combatOP was specifically talking about Sisters of Battle, not the entirety of the Adepta Sororitas.
>>98475231>for 60 million years they basically had no problems with ChaosCompletely absurd supposition with zero supporting evidence. Faggots need to stop parroting eldar mythology/history (its the same thing) uncritically.
>>98472660>literal power of miracles and power armor>UMMM BUT MUH 20% MUSCLE MASSI'm going to let you in on a little secret: The second we invented guns, male physical advantage stopped mattering. If she can shoot straight and keep up, without losing her shit, then she's more of a soldier than you, who can exactly none of those things.
>>98478187>The second we invented guns, male physical advantage stopped matteringIs that why armies stopped being predominantly men in the 13th century?
>>98478239>implying I'm going to have a discussion about the institution of sexism on a korean basket weaving forum with an Imperium-felating neckbeard who cries about hot bodacious women with huge guns in his comic book sci-fi setting for 13 year oldsHow about we skip that step and I just call you a stupid cunt?
>>98478250Is the institution of sexism also the reason why modern armies in countries with gender equality are overwhelmingly male?
>>98478262Yep, you stupid cunt.
>>98476259>higher-end trigger weight for a .45 is 5.5lbsDunno, seems like they're plenty capable in anything other than your weird, virginal fantasy land.
>>98472660For a guy who only draws girls (well, "girl" primarchs), all of his faces look like femboys instead of women.
>>98472660Are they bad fighters, lore wise? Because i heard that they are a good faction in the game.
>>98478317as always: depends on who's writing.
>>98478285And? Femboys mostly are men drawn as men.
>>98478322Ok, but in general when they loose you write them as a bog threat.
>>98472660>emotionally vulnerableLast time I checked it was way more men who killed their ex-girlfriends after a breakup, than the other way around.So spare me with this ancient Victorian meme.
>>98472660have sex faggot
>>98478334>man starts thread about how fictional women have hurt his feelings for being allowed to carry guns>it's women who are emotionally compromisedWhat's with all the chud threads in the catalogue? Slow day on /tv/?
>>98478317Lore wise they are better than the Imperial Guard, so better than average humans, but weaker than Space Marines. They are more or less the best you can make of humanity without going into gene modding or cybernetics.
>>98478317They wear power armour, they have bolters. Some suits of power armour give enhanced strength and agility, some don't. At the end of the day, SoB are the "humans in power armour" of the setting (you can't really call astartes human anymore). 40k is written by a lot of different writers, so there's always going to be a lot of conflicting info about power levels in the setting. We can assume SoB are better at fighting than guardsman, worse at fighting than astartes, better in close combat but worse at shooting compared to tau, worse at fighting than eldar, etc.
>>98478285>this guy draws girls like a guy drawn like a girl...did you think this was clever, little sharty?
>>98472660Why bother with meat-soldiers instead of just building servitors with guns?
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>>98472660You don't play games. You have never played in your life. Fuck off and never return.
>>98472660Maybe I skimmed the thread too quick, but I don't think anyone pointed out the obvious flaw in your premise:You're assuming the Imperium acts as a unified organisation and not a fractured society spread across a million worlds."The Imperium" doesn't 'bother' with the Navy, the smaller component of the Imperium that is the Adeptus Munitorum controls that.SoB are the military of the Ecclesiarchy. There are other sub-components of the Imperium that would definitely prefer the Ecclesiarchy don't have a military, but they aren't the whole Imperium. And neither is the Ecclesiarchy, so they can't stop bothering with the Skitarii.>>98478334So woman are physically more vulnerable as well? Damn sisters really must suck then.
>>98478285You know a lot about femboys?
>>98477762The Tau have sapient AI, it’s just copies of personalities, brain scans basically. Also, the Necrons have AI other than just their personality engrams, they put it into their constructs as well as their tomb worlds.AI mass rebellions are just a human skill issue.
>>98472660sisters are the militant branch of the ecclesiarchy as the ecclesiarchy was banned from having their standing army of frateris militia after they were used by the ecclesiarch Goge Vandire during the 100 year age of apostasy to make himself the leader of the high lords, terra and essentially higher than the emperor himself before he was murdered by the founding mothers of the Sister orders, freeing the imperium. The Ecclesiarchy solved this problem by having a standing army of nuns in power armor.
>>98472831there are no fallen sisters outside of porn where a virgin girl becomes a whore riding daemon cock for slaanesh (my fetish)
>>98475089>NecronsThey literally ARE the AI that rose up and overthrew its masters (the C’tan)>TauHaven’t had enough time for an AI rebellion to happen yet>VotannThe AIs are effectively their godsNone of these three are in any position to refute the tech-priest.
>>98478953The Necrons also have AI of their own as well which they put into their constructs and tomb worlds, not everything is a personality engram.
>>98478953>The AIs are effectively their godsWhich only proves that the Men of Iron rebellion would've been an objectively good thing for humanity given how much better off the Votann are over the Imperium.
>>98472778The imperium bans the church from having "me under arms" so they have to use women for their own military forces if they dont want to rely on the imperial guard. The Imperium does also train men from birth into perfect killing machines theyre called tempestus scionsthe IRL answer is 40k was a heavy metal rule of cool setting and sisters were thrown in as a cheesecake nuns with guns faction
>>98479285>The imperium bans the church from having "me under arms"Man, what the fuck did you do to warrant such a ban?
>>98477158Yeah, it does imply that and it's stupid because no one writing 40k now is smart enough or interesting enough to iron out how it works or what it means for the setting (except for maybe Abnett). That plus no other writer will actually follow what they lay out. 40k is now written by a smattering number of authors who were all fanboys and are now super contentious about each other's lore because it doesn't match up with their own internal headcanon. On top of all of that, faith being its own thing is boring and a brainlet take.
Because hot women are cool and Sisters tend to be hot (look at those fuckin' thighs)
>>98477749I have a fetish for consenting adults who aren't obese.
>>98472660the imperium, being inefficient? no wayretard thread
>>98479639Kek, yeah. Thin women are a rarity these days.
>>98480609Especially in western vidya games
>>98480624Meanwhile masculine males are a rarity in eastern video games
>>98472660Do you know how many cases there are of women pretending to be men so they join the army and ending up as excellent soldiers?
>>98475089Eldar and orks are engineered species designed to utilize the warp. Tau are also hinted at to have been tampered with.
>>98480751How many? I'm interested
>>98473978>they dont understand >looks at Farsight Bruh.
>>98478271No. It's because women are flat out inferior to men you cretin.
>>98478262not the same anon.but I feel like assuming that modern or semi modern women are the actual limit of womanity is an insult against life.from what I remember from when I was autistically thinking about the subject , men still have an overwhelming advantage , is just now posible and their is hope women even the odds by using slightly different tactics and logistics.but physical strengh is still extremely important at wielding mini explosive makers.
>>98478187>If she can shoot straight and keep up, without losing her shit, then she's more of a soldier than you, who can exactly none of those things.what if you need the 20% musle mass for that.
>>98479578I mean , as long as the metaphysics don't become reddit , I as a sixsiary with nothing to lose , that only looks at this game for its interesting metaphysics will be happy.how likely are the people involved in stuff like this to copy something generic.as far as I know they did all their copying in the 90s and now they ran out of plagarism juice.>On top of all of that, faith being its own thing is boring and a brainlet take.I think their is something that you could explore if you wanted to ungrimdark 40k , have it as its own metaphysical system that signals hope , but that clearly isn't the case. otherwise it seems like a horrible omen for bad writing.
>>98478323>Femboys mostly are men drawn as menKek, Freudian slip.>>98478442>shartyWhy are fags so fecally obsessed?
>>98481493>Freudian slip.My bad. I didnt realized i fucked up. I meant they are drawn women called men.
Both males and females are just as emotional. The difference is tha society encourages males to suppress their emotions.
>>98472768Sister of Battle as a cute asian girl (@grok)
>>98483083>stupid expression on her face>stupid influencer makeupThis sucks
Psychological and neuroscientific research shows that males and females experience emotions with equivalent physiological intensity and frequency. The observed differences stem largely from socialized display rules that encourage men to suppress specific vulnerable feelings.Childhood gender socialization teaches boys to down-regulate internalizing emotions like sadness, fear, and vulnerability, a phenomenon psychologists call "restrictive emotionality". Conversely, girls are socialized to express empathy and warmth while suppressing overt anger. Selective Permissiveness: The primary emotion society allows men to express more openly than women is anger or dominance, which aligns with traditional gender roles rather than a lack of emotionality. Suppressing emotion does not eliminate it. Men's tendency toward emotional suppression is strongly correlated with higher rates of stress-related physical issues, alcohol misuse, and reluctance to seek mental health support. Human emotional hardware is biologically consistent across genders; cultural norms simply dictate which feelings each gender is permitted to show.
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>>98472660why didn't you bother reading their most basic lore before asking this
>>98483092even the stasi couldnt come up the sick shit you libtards peddle
>>98483098It still looks dumb but I keked at the bigger tits
Would sisters of battle make good wives?Asking for a friend.
>>98483113Bigger tits allow her to better control the marriages of the local lords and merchants.The Emperor Provides.
>>98483117yes, all of them are good wives of the emperor
>>98483143Damn. Guess I'm a traitor to the emperor now.
>>98483200no you just cucked him
>>98483209How do I cuck the emperor without betraying him? Is he into that?
>>98483230He's a giant skeleton god, he wouldn't notice a couple wives getting railed.
>>98478415>you can't really call astartes human anymoreThe whole point of them is that you can, just like the Admech. They're trooned out doped up pedo coded child soldiers from space Chechnya but they still have ambition, selfishness, charity, and even (dare we say it) fear.
>>98475052Thermian ArgumentsNamed after the Thermians from Galaxy Quest, who don't understand fiction and thus treat everything they read or watch as a historical text.
SoB strike me as extremely safe-horny, bland and for redditors, the kind of people that can only express sexuality via submission and le muscle mummys etc
>>98478317Why does GW refuse to paint then in an appealing way?
>>98483098She looks like Azel
>>98472778I think the literal power armor equalizes any gaps in physical ability.It's no longer about the unaugmented man or woman in the suit, it's just the suits physical abilities.The ability to shoot, tactics, discipline under fire, all those things are gender unspecific and can be taught to either, so there isn't an issue of 'efficient use of resources.'Hell, it's been proven that woman mature (mentally and physically) sooner, so if peak physical ability isn't a concern (because of the power armor) then it's more effective to focus on female soldiers, because they mature faster and can learn/retain the tactics, etc faster than the less mature for their age males.
>>98473487All Skaven females are bloated brood beasts, this has been established for decades.Coomers as always know nothing and need the rope
>>98474601Giving up after 80 billion makes no sense, the latest Hive novel has the main hive alone clocking at 90 billion, the secondary hive clocking at 9 billion
>>98489078>bloated brood beastsSounds like the women here
>>98475089> Eldar never ran into constant chaos cultsTheir civilization literally birthed a Chaos God, the entire civilization became the fucking CULT, the still sane ones where a tiny tiny minority.
>>98489091We don't all live in England (a call to prayer was heard)
>>98489067>The ability to shoot, tactics, discipline under fire, all those things are gender unspecific and can be taught to eitherAll of those things are things that one gender can do better than the other.
>>98489104No one lives in England, they just survive there.
>>98489106Lmao if it's being indoctrinated into them starting as children it literally doesn't matter.Is it easy to teach that sort of shit to a good ol boy farmers son who played football for four years before enlisting, as opposed to some suburban chick who signed up to pay for college? Yeah sure. Data definitely supports that.But that's not what we are dealing with here. The Schoim is taking the girls and boys as literal infants and teaching them from when they can crawl. At this point the only differences will be biological, and as already stated, the power armor equalizes the physical aspect to the point to where it doesn't matter anymore.
>>98489104Worse, I live in EmulandShould be thankful I can at least do some tabletop stuff here
>>98489078But enough about your mom
>>98489127I heard that Aussie women are actually fine, and that it's easy as a white non Aussie to pick them up, simply because the typical male Aussie is such a drunk asshole that showing an Aussie woman just a shred of consideration makes them immediately moist
>>98489122There are biological differences between the intellectual capabilities between the sexes. Even if you take the children as infants, you will still have males on average outperforming females in certain intellectual tasks and vice versa. People aren't blank slates no matter how pleasing or comforting of an idea it might be. You take 100 men and teach them from birth to shoot, and they will have higher average accuracy than a 100 women taught from birth how to shoot, because men have better hand-eye coordination due to biology.
>>98489137>>98489127both of you are fat ugly nerds that haven't slept with an australian woman in your lives
>>98489137No woman anywhere, at any point in time, has gotten moist because a man showed them consideration. It's the exact opposite: showing them consideration makes them drivel up drier than the Sahara.
>>98489043How do you mean? I'd argue that one at the centre at the least looks appealing.
>>98489164Shooting is a funny example, because evidence points to men and women being pretty much equal at shooting stationary targets, but men perform slightly better at tracking moving targets due to the differences in upper body strength, though this difference is slight. "Men are better at shooting because hand-eye coordination" is unfortunately just wrong. Zhang Shan, a female skeet shooter, won gold at the Olympics for skeet shooting in 1992. This case is pretty famous because of the fact it was a mixed event, so she actually beat all the best male skeet shooters in the world to win that gold. She was the last female shooter to win in this mixed category, since it was gender segregated immediately afterwards (though this was a decision made before the 92' Olympics, and wasn't actually in response to Shan's win, despite what some people say). If there was actually a major difference between the shooting ability of men and women, Shan would never have won gold in the first place. She was competing against the greatest shooters in the world, after all.
>>98489228(me)>though the difference is slightto clarify, I mean the difference in shooting ability, not the difference in upper body strength
>>98489228There are always outliers, hence why I specified average accuracy. Anyone who is the best in the world at anything should be discounted when talking about the average capabilities of whatever group, because such a person is extremely special and one-of-a-kind in the first place. Trying to use a single extraordinary individual means you are either not particularly bright or outright disingenuous.Even if you could cite multiple studies of decent quality regarding shooting accuracy (and how exactly would those studies account for nurture) that still leaves tactics and discipline under fire. Tactics is easy victory for males as there is a greater variation on intelligence among males, ie. you get more geniuses and more retards, but having more retards isn't a hindrance in this scenario since those will be left as grunts while you can promote the geniuses to leaders.As for discipline under fire, I would once again argue that women are more biologically wired to react emotionally under duress, but it's a topic that is very hard to study. And this is to say nothing of other myriad factors that make men better at warfare. I like Sisters of Battle, but trying to argue that they make any kind of logistical sense is a fools errand, it's why the setting itself justifies them as a legal loophole in an extremely dogmatic system.
>>98489167It's true. Honestly I have never even met an Australian woman.
>>98489313I feel like you're the one being a bit disingenuous here. You're clearly coming at this argument with a lot of presuppositions about how men and women match up in specific activities, without actually having accurate sources for any of your information. I've got the data, I've got the info, and I'm being far from disingenuous about any of the caveats.
>>98489313There are literally zero studies to support any study if a difference in ability to learn 'tactics' or 'discipline under fire' in the circumstances related to this specific situation: child soldiers raised from infantancy.Why the fuck would a 'greater variation [of] intelligence among males' make any difference on tactical ability (also you don't support the statement at all). You don't need genius level intelligence to learn infantry drill, hell that's part of the fucking point. You rightly admit you have zero proof for anything to support discipline besides you gut feeling.The vast majority of the factors that make men better soldiers are purely related to physical ability, which no one is arguing, and which, once again, power armor completely eliminates. > Logistical senseThe fuck are you talking about now? That it's somehow more difficult to logistically supply the women in power armor? The fuck are you on about now?Do you have a single useful thing to say?
>>98489313>Anyone who is the best in the world at anything should be discounted when talking about the average capabilities of whatever groupIncluding a group of other Best in the World at said activity? Such as a few dozen other Olympic Level shootists? Doubtful.
>>98474568>>98474833>So it's the human waaagh?Don't give James Workshop ideas.
>>98473487>"because literal furry artists exist in the fandom"bad news buddy they exist in 40k fandom too.
>>98473970so true actually king, they really need to just add them already
>>98472660Wamen make good “purity” police and scolds. See every foid dominated social order of today.Using 40gey grimdump logic, so long as you don’t let them get mind fucked by some rogue heretic priest it’s fine to hand them guns and tell them to go to town for big e
>>98489372NTAYRT https://embed.documentcloud.org/documents/2394531-marine-corps-force-integration-plan-summary/Its an interesting read. The main all female combat unit is some isralies, they apparently did well but wasn't as easy to find any actual data there. Vietnam was insurgency, minh/cong would be another source. Looking for examples that aren't just olympic athletes seems worth doing.
>>98493104>Vietnam war typo there. So presumably power armour could mitigate the physical aspects somewhat, although we still have to reconcile Str4 vs Str 3. When I think about it, a lot of the information we have about child soldiers is not encouraging as to their effectiveness. Space marines get various modifications and combat drugs and a better training regime than the congo equivalent, so I'm not sure that matters much. The Schola Progenium starts fairly early as well, so presumably things like las drill and hyper militant indoctrination is happening there too, call it a wash, they have the same ballistic skill so that works. I think, if we assume the SoB are trained the same as Scions or Commisars and that like we mostly end up with a lack of close combat or assault women unless they've been genetically altered.
>>98489089Necromunda has hundreds of hives on the surface and Hive Primus already breaks the 100 billion mark. The Administratum just threw up its hands and said "fuck it, we're giving you the max tithe grade, pay us or we bomb you to death faggots"
>>98493141But, all that being said it does seem that there would be significantly less IG and PDF females if the physiology of 40k humans is comparable enough. Lots of potential for admin, logistics, drone operation equivalents but a lot less effective in general as front line infantry, tankers, etc. Its further into the report but I think they have a 0% graduation rate for officers but the timeframe of the study seems short or off so not sure what the other factors there are.
>>98493104It makes logical sense that female combatants would have lower speed and dynamic target accuracy due to the differences in muscle density and upper body strength I mentioned yesterday. So I personally am not surprised to these differences in combat capabilities. Though in the context of future women in space-age power armour, where their strength and speed is supplemented or completely superseded by the strength of their armour, unmodified men and women might actually perform much more similarly. Do you have any data about the performance of women soldiers in the context of longer military campaigns? I've seen data that shows that while women obviously have lower overall strength, their endurance is actually on-par with men (male and female athletes perform equally in ultramarathons for this reason), so I'm curious to see if this is reflected in the military data as well, or if the differences in speed and upper body strength still control that data.
>>98493176>or if the differences in speed and upper body strength still control that data.I'd suspect things like much higher injury rates would contribute to long term campaigns as well. The power armour part gets into how the power armour operates, does it enhance what the wearer is or does the armour have a set point all users are now at? If its an enhancement you'd see parallels of the existing physical characteristics, so you'd get the same results, which we more or less see in 40K. The only Soritas in cqc are the insane redemptive suicide squads, where as modified space marines are in general already better at cqc before you even start giving them chainswords or the like. If the power armour just has a flat upper limit everything wearing it ends up at, then it likely has a minimum requirement to use so the enhancement doesn't cause injury so you'd see a similar separation. A lot of this doesn't rule out female soldiers in power armour, I think the rough outline of numbers, even though 40K logistics made up in ways that are entirely plot based, there being a sizable enough force of SoBs but them being exceptional fits. There were enough of them to hold off several chapters of marines when they were protecting Vandire. They have numberous shrine worlds and such scattered around. With a billion billion humans, enough Olympians end up in the orphan school for better soldiers it hangs together if you don't worry about it too much.
I've been thinking about this issue and I've come to think it would be better if SoBs lore is rewritten in such a way that they no longer are actually fighting most of the time; here is my take :While they do have weapons fo self defence and they accompany other imperial forces on the battlefield, their actual role is more to serve as inspirational figures for rank and file members of the Astra militarum; They spur ordinary soldiers with harangues and by displaying zeal and courage under fire, however they will not fight unless directly threatened and while they show great courage due to being utterly indoctrinated from childhood, battle sisters are actually subpar fighters compared to Astartes or even guardsmen due to being female In this new version of their lore they are still able to achieve great feats of courage and strength from time to time and they still have the ability to do Acts of Faith and miracles which also serve as an inspiration to the guardsmen who see them as holy figures but most tales of their victories and of their extraordinary fighting prowess is actually imperial propaganda which doesn't reflect their real battlefield recordThis version of the SoBs is better because it help explain why the Imperium accept to have a large number of fighting females, it is reminiscent of Joan of Arc which was one of the inspiration behind GW's original design for battle sisters and who also didn't actually fight but mainly encouraged the men who fought beside her and finally if sororitas are jut over glorified "holy cheerleaders", then this explains why the High Lords are willing to let the Ecclesiarchy still have an army and not the silly "the letter, not the spirit" explanation
>>98493347>it would be better if the SoB didn't fightI think you're wrong. I love my nuns with guns, and turning them into glorified cheerleaders would be retarded. The whole point of SoB is that they're nuns with guns, all of their lore was written to justify and hold up this fact. Taking away the nuns with guns aspect takes away what makes the SoB the Sob, and leaves you with a bunch of freestanding justifications that don't support anything anymore.
>>98472660There's no point arguing about this in real world terms because whatever you think about real life, it is simply a clear in universe fact that in warhammer 40K, extremely well trained women fighters are broadly comparable in effectiveness to male equivalents. This is repeatedly shown across countless official works by countless writers. If you raise a talented girl to be great at fighting in 40K, she ends up as a similarly valuable asset as a male who is similarly trained. Kara Swole from the Ravenor books for example is just able to kick the shit out of multiple tough, strong men at once, and thats not due to augments or anything, its written to be taken as skill expression. Where this gets interesting however is that this is only true at the elite level. The genders roughly even out at the highest level, with women raised to be assassins and sisters of battle and the like. You also get very naturally talented women who end up as very skilled imperial guard or Gangers or Arbites or the like, not quite super elite, but in the upper male region through talent and experience. But when it comes to regular humans living reasonably regular lives, when it comes to 99 percent of each gender, the real world disparity still exists. An average man and woman in the Imperium have as large a gap in strength as they would in real life. You still have all the real gender dynamics of rape and domestic abuse based on the same physiological disparity as real life. Its just at this very high, exceptionally trained/experienced level that things somehow even out.
>>98493371reread what I wrote>While they do have weapons fo self defence and they accompany other imperial forces on the battlefield>they show great courage due to being utterly indoctrinated from childhood>they are still able to achieve great feats of courage and strength from time to time they should remain nuns with guns but not elite fighters
>>98493386Why are you cherry picking your own arguments? You said yourself that they'd be more like cheerleaders, which is retarded, they should be nuns with guns 24/7, and an important part of that is SHOOTING THE GUNS. >their actual role is more to serve as inspirational figures>sororitas are jut over glorified "holy cheerleaders">but most tales of their victories and of their extraordinary fighting prowess is actually imperial propaganda which doesn't reflect their real battlefield recordYour retarded fanfiction removes everything that makes the SoB awesome, you're clearly just a marinefag or guardfag that doesn't give a shit about the Sisters in the first place.
>>98493386>they should remain nuns with guns but not elite fightersNTALame and gay. They're much sexier and more interesting as elite fighters. If you want >muh everyman bravery in extraordinary circumstances go back to the guard.
>>98475052>>98487068Good concept. The name is cringe, but I guess it's more recognisable than something that might attempting to be technically correct like "Pathological Diegesis"
>>98487068What about Thermian Syndrome? Obviously it's the same idea, but it better describes people who can't separate fiction from reality in general.
>>98493676>>98487068I think we should use that term for discussions about fiction and fandom. Because sometimes such discussions devolve into heated arguments while it is just fiction.
>>98489167>>98489364does a plush of chili from bluey count?
>>98489171Spoken like a man that doesn't get pussy.
>>98493347Your ideas suck.SoB being elite human fighting force (which they are, given their training, fanatical faith, and equipment, they certainly are) has been in the lore forever and has been absolutely fine.
>>98493141> Power armor could mitigate the physical aspects....> But we still have to reconcile S4 and S3There is nothing to reconcile. The power armor equalizes the strength for baseline humans, it's not the individual in the suit doing the lifting anymore, it's literally just the servos in the armor. The only time this makes a difference is with Marines, who are so much more powerful that they can bare that much more physically powerful power armor.
>>98497135>there's nothing to reconcile >reconciles it Okay. So the armours are different enough and the baseline human scale power armour just e enhances to a general area so it requires specific fitness to even use which ranges in on SoB being unusual and elite. Which they are.
>>98487068Actually amazing, good job>>98493676There's already terms to describe those people and that falls under blanket mental illness and delusion.This kind of thing is basically someone trying to argue using in-universe logic against someone who is discussing the actual meta construction of the narrative.For instance>Anon: "The story is really stupid. There's a character who stops a war that has been going on for generations by simply telling the two opposing sides to try understanding each other and getting along because war is bad, and they just do like they had a massive epiphany. It's all very flat, contrived, and unsatisfying.">Thermian: "It's not stupid! Didn't you read the latest supplement the writer released? The two warring factions knew all along that war was bad, they just never had anyone confirm it for them.">Anon: "Okay, great, but I'm saying the story itself is just really dumb. We've been with all these characters who were fighting this massive war, but then it's just completely over because this outsider held up his finger and said 'uh, war is bad actually,' and everyone just agreed while applauding him as a 500 IQ hero. Then it's over. As a narrative it's just eye rolling.">Thermian: "No, you're an idiot. Look here, there's been a new lore update. You can see that their ancient texts said that war was bad all along. It turns out the hero was just reminding them of their roots!"Like it's a specific type of sophistry.
>>98481235Farsight is actually a perfect example. Even though he is obviously a champion of Khorne to every player, he is not a "Chaos Tau", and instead just has some rules that prevent normal Tau listbuilding.
>>98493347You got your shit kicked by a girl on the playground as a kid, didn'tcha?
>>98472660How do the Sisters of Battle replenish their ranks?Are they recruiting from the rabble or are they practicing eugenics?
>>98497527probably exclusively recruit from shrine worlds
Forget this fucking thread full of troons making excuses for men in women's sports and girls invading men's spacesThe only people that post here are fucking trannys. I'm going back to where there are decent folk.
>>98497527Primarily from the Schola Progenium. There will be various branches scattered all over that feed into shrine worlds and parishes. Go read the 2nd ed codex. Its good shit.
>>98497527Exclusively from the Schola Progenium. The Schola's purpose is to create human tools that are completely loyal to the Imperium and the God-Emperor that have no other ties to family, people, or planet. Old lore also states that the orphans that go to the Schola come from Imperial Commanders, which are the planetary governors. And there just happens to be a special branch of the Sororitas that practices eugenics on Imperial nobility, ie governors.
>>98497527seggs?
>>98497622>I'm going back to where there are decent folk.Where is that
