What books should I read to get the proper, chronological and canonical lore of the universe?

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Chaplain (75pts)
Librarian in Phobos Armour (95pts): Warlord

5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75pts)
5x Assault Intercessor Squad (75pts)

3x Bladeguard Veteran Squad (80pts)
3x Eliminator Squad (75pts)
5x Incursor Squad (85pts)
5x Infiltrator Squad (110pts)
Invader ATV (60pts)
Firestrike Servo-Turrets (75pts)
Impulsor (70pts)
Callidus Assassin (100pts)

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BIG
BOUNCY
BANSHEE
BUTTS

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Are you looking forward to the new Perturabo miniature?

Here's my tentative 1k lists for orks and SM. Let me know if you see any obvious imbalances between the two.

SPACE MARINES...............................................995 pts


BRUTALIS DREADNOUGHT (1)....................................150 pts
SCOUT SQUAD (5)..............................................65 pts
BLADEGUARD VETERAN SQUAD (3).................................80 pts
─ CAPTAIN (1)...............................................80 pts
SWORD BRETHREN SQUAD (4)....................................105 pts
LAND SPEEDER (1).............................................95 pts
INTERCESSOR SQUAD (10)......................................150 pts
─ ANCIENT (1)...............................................40 pts
ASSAULT INTERCESSORS WITH JUMP PACKS (5).....................85 pts
─ CHAPLAIN WITH JUMP PACK (1)...............................75 pts
ERADICATOR SQUAD WITH HEAVY BOLTERS (3)......................70 pts

>>98477527

>>98477488
I've only played a single game in 11th so far, with shitty cardboard cutout footprints, and really light polystyrene terrain on them.
It really fucking sucked, as the wrapping cardboard made it hard for miniatures to stand on it without tipping over, and even the lightest brush against it, made it move away.

Anyone played with neoprene or plastic footprints? Do heavier terrain pieces tie down those fucking things down better? Trying to look for options for my local game store..

ORKS........................................................980 pts

BOYZ (20)...................................................160 pts
─ WEIRDBOY (1)..............................................65 pts
NOBZ (5)....................................................105 pts
─ WARBOSS (1)...............................................85 pts
BREAKA BOYZ (6).............................................125 pts
─ BIGBOSS (1)...............................................55 pts
TRUKK (1)....................................................55 pts
BURNA BOYZ (5)...............................................60 pts
─ BANNERNOB (1).............................................50 pts
WARTRAKK (1).................................................60 pts
BIG MEK DAKKARIG (1)........................................115 pts
GRETCHIN — 10 Gretchin.......................................45 pts

>even
I paint
>odd
I spend the day playing vidya, drinking and gooning
>dubs
I go outside

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finished a unit of stealth suits

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KIND
KOLOSSAL
KUSTODES
KNOCKERS

>>98477545
Neat

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Why are newbies drawn to the Salamanders? Are they afraid of judgment? Or are they uncomfortable with a brutal faction in a brutal setting?

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Let Chaos Idols take this thread!

>>98477551
Being kind to civilians instead of being edgy appeals to human beings in general, I reckon.

>>98477552
Ramarama bolshevik post

>>98477551
Fire is cool
Green is cool
Black skin without being african is cool?

>>98477551
The same reason why normies almost always pick good guy/Paragon options in rpgs.

>>98477551
>heckin wholesome chungus marines
>not shit on by the universe like Lamemters
>not Ultramarines so you can feel special for picking them
>still a founding chapter so you get special attention from GW and get to participate in primarchwank discussions
>were wanked off by TTS
They're basically tailor made to appeal to nuscum

>>98477560
You sound deeply insecure and bitter lmao

>>98477557
>>98477559
Salamanders are kind of dumb though. Ultramarines are morally good while getting stuff done at the same time. Maybe all the radiation is what makes Salamanders impotent?

>>98477561
Damn you sure showed him

>>98477560
Agreed. Salamanders have become the redditor faction.

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yo momma so fat, she got an objective control characteristic of 20. Even while battle shocked.

yo momma so fat, when the Commissar orders Move Move Move, they had to rename it Waddle Waddle Waddle.

yo momma so fat, when she performed a Fall Back move, she never got up again.

yo momma so fat, she got the Fights Last special rule.

yo momma so fat, her unit card just says "don't even try it" under how much transport capacity she occupies.

yo momma so stupid, when she occupies a terrain feature, she grants the terrain feature the Dense characteristic.

yo momma so stupid, she has her own special rule ignoring positive modifiers to ballistic skill.

yo momma so stupid, when Eldrad tried to cast Guide on her, he experienced perils of the warp through his ghosthelm.

I have a silly question, if I put move my unit up a floor on top of an objective do they really get plunging fire and benefit of cover? How is the enemy supposed to do anything especially if there's no room on the ledge to fight them

>>98477567
hearty kek

>>98477560
>>still a founding chapter so you get special attention from GW
This literally never happens with them. They are one of the most neglected factions in the game alongside Dark Eldar.

I like Orks! :D

>>98477582
I love orks they're very alien and unique

>>98477551
>Why are newbies drawn to the Salamanders?
Newbie, I was considering them because they are green and have flamethrowers.

>>98477496
bwos?

>>98477580
You are incorrect.

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>>98477516
>>98477546
Both, both is good

While building getting started with Orks I've seen GW didn't include the alt builds for the boyz that I've seen exists in Armaggedon instructions online. Not a problem since it seems if you cut off the conection bits all of the arms are interchangable and heads are by default. But odd that they excluded that, considering the numbers are the same in Armaggedon sprues & instruction book so they could have just copy pasted the instructions.

>>98477526
kind of. hes one of the few primarchs I think they can actually do something interesting with because the design space isnt already well tread.

we know what all the primarchs look like atp except maybe corax, but there are a lot of ways they can go for perty.

I think most of the 40k primarch models are pretty bad outside of the "bigger daemon prince with wings" ones.

>>98477598
Emps was creating the human sections of the Webway and wanted to shepherd humanity into it so they would be safe but also so humanity and eldar would intermingle and create a new powerful hybrid race that's safe from the predations of chaos.
It's the reason why there are female custodes as well, Emperor would've decreeded his companions to get wives and husbands to speed up the intermingling of the 2 species.

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>>98477551
If by brutal you mean they shoot civilians for shits and giggles it's just the other point of the horse shoe.
>>98477560
I only remember the Vulkan live moment and that's about it
>>98477566
I cannot fathom anything more cucked than letting redditors have anything. It's like how the christcucks let fags take the rainbow as their own symbolism

What’s the point in knights if every chaos faction already has a defiler

>>98477620
>I cannot fathom anything more cucked than letting redditors have anything
Well, you're too late because Salamanders are THE de facto redditor faction.

>>98477622
They are two different things from two very different backgrounds?

Do I drybrush with the same colour or a different colour?

>>98477533
At a thousand points, I wouldn't bother with the Trukk or Wartrakk. Bring moar Boyz.
Dakkarig is good. Bring two if you can.
Gretchin are best as a blob of 20 so they can't be shot out of the way that easily.

>>98477627
>Salamanders are THE de facto redditor faction.
That's Black Templars though?

>>98477620
Most space marine chapters are indifferent to civilians and focus on getting the job done.
>Salamanders waste resources on civilians
>Ultramarines save civilians and get the job done
>Marines malevolent get the job done but fuck over civilians

>>98477606
What was the Emperor's plan to deal with psykers causing random disjunctions in the Webway?

>>98477633
Oh just keep using the same paint on top of itself, it really brings out detail, depth and highlights with how much it contrasts.
I kid. Use different colours, generally lighter but there are other things you can do with drybrushing.

>>98477533
Bigboss with breaka boyz is meh.
Can't they have the bannernob?
And drop the trukk, for the pain boy with the big boyz blob.

>>98477633
You give zero context what are you trying to accomplish?

>>98477633
Original color if you darkened the surface down with a wash and are trying to build it back up from there. Different color if not.

>>98477513
As someone who has to play a single game yet I rate it 6/10

>>98477488
>TQ
Not really, no. Most of them are perfectly fine with a couple named characters and a flavor detachment. No hate for any of them really but there's just nothing the Imperial Fists for example do that isn't covered in the base SM codex.

Ancient 40
Captain 80
Chaplain with Jump Pack 75
Librarian 70
(10) Intercessor Squad 150
(3) Eliminator Squad 75
(3) Eradicator Squad with Heavy Bolters 80
(5) Vanguard Veteran Squad with Jump Packs 105
Land Speeder 105
Redemptor Dreadnought 205
(985 points)

What should I buy next? I'm thinking scouts, a stormtalon or something wacky like an imperial agents unit

>>98477677
Stop playing marines lol

>>98477637
For some added context: I'm mostly building these to play against each other, and building up from the Armageddon box.

The wartrackk is mostly there because I have the mini, I could cut it like I cut the librarian, but that was due to Black Templar restrictions. I could sub out the Trukk for another squad of boyz, but the plan was to load it up with Breakas and drive it at the dreadnaught.

>>98477645
I haven't put much thought into which squad gets which attachment. My main thought with that choice was giving them +1 to charge.
>And drop the trukk, for the pain boy
Oh shit, I forgot the pain boy. I definitely need him in the list, looks like I'll have to downgrade the nobs to afford it.

>>98477533
This one is mine, I think it's a tad better, mostly because of more boyz

Xenos - Orks - MoreDakka!, TaktikalBrigade

Bannernob (50pts)
Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun (90pts)
Warboss (100pts): Warlord

20x Boyz (160pts)
10x Boyz (75pts)
10x Boyz (75pts)
5x Stormboyz (65pts)

11x Gretchin (45pts)
5x Lootas (50pts)
Wartrakk (60pts)
Big Mek Dakkarig (115pts)
Big Mek Dakkarig (115pts)

>>98477682
I don't play orks, but I did recently play a couple low-point games against ork opponents and both times their trukks were more a liability than as asset, especially if you use the 11th ed terrain layouts.

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Jesus christ

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LMFAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>98477696

Slightly updated list swapping Nobs and Trukk for painboy and boyz.

ORKS..................................................985 pts

BOYZ (10)..............................................75 pts
─ WARBOSS (1).........................................85 pts
BOYZ (20)...................................................160 pts
─ PAINBOY (1)...............................................90 pts
─ WEIRDBOY (1)........................................65 pts
BREAKA BOYZ (6).......................................125 pts
─ BIGBOSS (1).........................................55 pts
─ BANNERNOB (1)......................................50 pts
BURNA BOYZ (5).........................................60 pts
WARTRAKK (1)...........................................60 pts
BIG MEK DAKKARIG (1)..................................115 pts
GRETCHIN — 10 Gretchin.................................45 pts

>>98477684
I'm not looking for optimal, just 2 lists to play against each other.

>>98477696
That's pretty based

>>98477696
>>98477698
Based. The only thing that bugs me about the Flash Gitz is their permateen sense of humor. Dunking on furries is kind of 2006.

>>98477570
Engagement range is 5" vertical. They don't need to get onto the ledge.

>>98477696
>>98477698
Looks like shit

>>98477696
>>98477698
Imagine putting these down on your HH board

>>98477701
>I'm not looking for optimal, just 2 lists to play against each other.
I get that, but I think that your first draft SM would wipe your first draft orks no problem

>>98477709
Thank you I'll tell my friend that when we play today

>>98477720
>I get that, but I think that your first draft SM would wipe your first draft orks no problem
That's fair. Any particular units that are weak for the orks, or something that should be toned down on the SM side?

>>98477488
>Do you think every first founder/legion should get a full fledged codex of their own?
No. Too much bloat.
Who would even be asking for that?>>98477639
Nah he's right, Salamanders are the prime pick for Redditors.
Black Templars are le hecking nazi chuds.

>>98477729
>>98477701 I would drop some characters for some more meat, but I get you want to play with what you already have, best course is to try that out and see if it's so so balanced with the SM side, doesn't need to be 50-50

>>98477742
>Black Templars are le hecking nazi chuds.
No, they are deus vult larpers who unironically yell "HERESY!" whenever someone says something thinking it's the peak of comedy.

>>98477696
They seem way more interested in making the game than in making the miniatures, so even if I definitely won't buy it, I think it might end up good.

>>98477763
You'd be surprised at the overlap.
BT are THE Twitter chapter.

>>98477754
Yeah, the SM might be getting a boost from being forced to drop a character. I might drop the dreadnaught for a character and a squad of some kind.

>>98477488
>>Thread Question:
>Do you think every first founder/legion should get a full fledged codex of their own?
There should be only ONE codex:space marines

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>>98477580
>This literally never happens with them
Pic related + a handful of named characters, as well as being able to dip into their HH range for any bits and bobs you could want. That's a helluva more than, say, the Crimson Fists have gotten in a decade. Not that the CFs really need much but if you want to feel that special GW consoomer attention you're gonna pick one of the founding chapters for exactly that reason.
>They are one of the most neglected factions
The fact that you think each and every space marine counts as its own faction is dire to say to the least.

>>98477620
Your picture says it all, really.

>>98477496
thats not a thing. Dont be dumb.

>>98477770
Nah, that's dumb and lazy.

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>>98477696
You know 40k is on the trampoline for massive popularity when even its more shameless ripoffs get successful

>>98477770
Yes, agreed.

>>98477791
It's not, big books require more effort because they produce better end results.

>>98477763
Go into any Warhammer community space that isn't here then check again. I'm telling you, Black Templars have the reputation of being le hecking Nazi chuds. And it turns out Reddit hates them.

A quick Google. First off, we have r/Sigmarxism saying exactly what you're saying about Black Templars:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Sigmarxism/comments/r61932/i_feel_bad_for_getting_the_black_templars_box/

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/1mhrk7c/look_im_not_saying_its_all_black_templar_players/

>I think most people like the black templars as a faction, however, as a hyper religious crusading faction themed after the crusaders of old and suppourting the worst regime in human history, they can attract fans that hold kinda yuck irl views too, the amount of times ive seen someone with a black templars profile pic being either nasty, racist, sexist or just plain disgusting is too common


Twitter https://x.com/AlbertsideB/status/2069511717864796355

https://x.com/jessterw_/status/2047594298817069062

Steam https://steamcommunity.com/app/2183900/discussions/0/592896225883244141/

So yeah Reddit hates Black Templars.

Salamanders are the le hecking wholesome Reddit chungus faction.

>>98477778
>Pic related
The upgrade is genuine dogshit, I bought it and it's not good. Trying to pretend that 2 shitty hand flamers and 2 generic hammers with a fire symbol them is a "good upgrade" is laughable. Only good thing about it are the braziers, but buying a kit for 2 fucking braziers and pretending it is good tells me you're a retard.

Trying to pretend that it is good and only what Sallies need is just tells me you're a disingenious cunt arguing in bad faith.
>a handful of named characters
It's literally only TWO (2) characters with models, that is not a handful you fucking retard.
>as well as being able to dip into their HH range
Only shit sallies have in HH is another shitty upgrade packs made out of resin. Which also gives you printlines for free.
And shit like pyroclasts or fire drakes are over 20 year old sculpts and look fucking awful and have no rules in 40k. Nevermind that they both out of scale as well and look like ass.
And they are also made out of dogshit FW resin with FW's typical lack of quality control.

Again, you don't have a point to make, you're just an idiot trying to play devil's advocate for a pointless reason because you feel the need to be a contrarian.

>>98477720
>>98477729
I dont agree.
The redemptor is only an anti tank piece in melee.
The warboss, and break boyz can kill anything on the SM side, while the dakkarig and burna boyz are a big problem for the vanguard vets and eradicators.
The 20 boys with the wierdboy using Da Jump can also be a huge issue. As during the waaaghhh while near max health that unit will simply drown any of the SM units in hits killing them. The SM player has to get a lot of use of the overpriced redemptor and the vulnerable eradicators to win.
Also if you havent bought the Burna boyz or Nobz wait, they are getting new kits.

>>98477807
>So yeah Reddit hates Black Templars.
>Citing reddit
The trans community loves black templars so idk what to tell you man

>>98477807
>reddit spacing
>unironically goes to reddit
>numerous twitter links
Bohemond, we all know it's you. You're only posting this because you're butthurt over having BT being correctly being reddit shit.

>>98477810
>The redemptor is only an anti tank piece in melee
You mean the brutalis?

>Also if you havent bought the Burna boyz or Nobz wait, they are getting new kits.
I've not got anything beyond the Armageddon box yet. I'd like to have full lists before building up the armies. Also, I've swapped the nobz for more boyz to fit in the pain boy.

>>98477794
One Page Rules is successful because people are just so sick of GW's bullshit when it comes to
>massively overpriced minis
>terrible balancing, with certain models either mandatory or useless on the tabletop for literally years and years, and broken armies sitting at huge winrates for months before being errata'd
>entire armies people paid for (Imperial Agents) not being given a simple army rule, which would take 10 minutes for GW to implement and still hasn't been done
>Rules that require a PhD to parse and know in totality because they're so unnecessarily bloated
>Rules which are spread out across 50 different books, card decks, erratas, supplements, FAQs, subscription-locked apps etc when Wahapedia has already made it clear a single website can do everything
>Rules codexes which become obsolete a month after their release
>"Strategy Wargame" which works more like a board/card game than it should, where most of the strategy comes from what list you built at the start, requiring players to invest heavily in options to be competitive
>factions (Dark Eldar) having large parts of their model range be made obsolete
>Models being sent to Legends and made obsolete (which OPR fixes by just assigning models a generic template)

GW hold a fantastic IP that they have a technical monopoly on, they make decent quality minis, but they don't really do anything else well with the IP.

No wonder people who like the IP turn to alternatives.

>>98477808
>it's not good enough, I need MOOOOOORE to CONSOOM
Case and point.

>>98477816
>>98477811
I don't give a fuck if you think I'm a redditor. Nice samefagging btw.

I'll even keep reddit spacing to show how little of a fuck I give.

Point is, I'm still right and you're deflecting.

You know I'm right, the links prove it.

Reddit hates Black Templars.You cannot refute this.

Salamanders are the Reddit darling, and the reason you're reacting so angrily is because you're the thread's Salamanders player who posts those poorly painted models.

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>>98477846
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>>98477808
salamanders don't "need" anything. You are part of the single largest range across all of gw's systems. Yet here you are bitching that your special flavour of marines deserves more special toys, because the current special exclusive toys you have are not up to your standards

>>98477551
>Why are newbies drawn to the Salamanders?
Exclusively because of the meme about them being good guys.

>>98477545
Why do they look like they're missing something?

>>98477807
Why are you like this.

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models?

>>98477834
>One Page Rules is successful
is it though

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Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.

>>98477778
>upgrade kit with three unique heads
How incredibly shit.

>>98477841
>it's impossible for 2 people to disagree with me
Bohemond, fuck off back to twitter and be a lolcow there, not here.

>>98477912
Yeah, it's totally equivalent to DEldar lacking half of their range.

>>98477838
>how dare you want more of your favorite thing
Ok, I guess deldarfags should also stay content and happy with their non-existant range.
They don't need more to consoom after all.

>>98477834
OPR has the depth of a puddle and one of the most toxic communities in ttgs. Its good for like 1 game a year with your friend that quit warhammer but didn't really quit.

>>98477927
And most chapters, let alone most factions, don't even have that much. That was the original point, dipshit.

>>98477768
Tumblr’s worst traits saturate xitter and I see it on my feed a lot when I want to see warhammer 40k stuff. There’s also the “chud” side too.
If anything twitter is a vortex of the worst of all sides and this is most visible in warhammer 40k fan art searching on that site.
Ran into a few warhammer 40k “fictional character agrees with me” arts made in earnest.

>>98477488
The Dark Angels and Salamanders are the only interesting loyalist legions.

>>98477938
Doesn't matter, Deldar don't need anything. It's the same here.

I just woke up from a nightmare where I bought dozens of starter sets in order to make the hive war collage for my orks, and then I decided to become a marinefag.
Does anyone else have warhammer dreams?

>>98477960
No but last night I had a dream where my pet cats stood up and spoke to me using human language

>>98477950
Not really beating the "perfect for nuscum consoomers" allegations, sallyfag

>>98477895
Nta but it is by alternative wargaming standards.
And as far as I know opr hasn’t made stupid hubris influenced moves that a good number of alternatives do when they get a crumb of popularity and money gw gets every second.
Privateer press’ warmahordes is the biggest example of this.

I don’t hate warhammer 40k. Sometimes I just want to try something different.
And quite frankly it is hard for me to tell if the rules are good enough because I play with friends that are fun to be around that “clouds” judgement for the rules quality because the fun of being around the lads picks up the slack I think.

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>>98477961
I hate when that happens.

>>98477916
>No refutation
Thanks for admitting I'm right fag, lmao stay mad
I will take any further direct or indirect replies as an admission from you that you are a btfo seething Redditor Salamanders player

>>98477930
>most toxic communities
I am not sure if I can believe you there. But then again /awg/ communities can be a bit of a coin toss between music genre contrarian toxicity and chill guys. I seem to always fall in the toxicity but my experience may be tainted because it is mostly tabletop simulator.

>>98477960
I had a dream where I ate a bunch of glass shards and then spat em out like a gun like watermelon seeds in those old Tom and Jerry cartoons.

>>98477960
>warhammer dreams
Is this like the bionicle dreams but warhammer flavored? I had a bonkle dream that I was a kid at a library reading the comics.

I can see lads who enjoyed warhammer as kids having warhammer dreams as adults. Bionicle takes a lot of the spotlight of this sort of phenomenon though.

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>>98477780
I'm sorry that the fact that a chapter can be liked without being grimderp offends you
>>98477640
Short term gains that ignore the resentment of your subjects is not getting the job done it's kicking the can down the road.
>Ultramarines save civilians and get the job done
Of course they do they can do no wrong

>>98477989
>Of course they do they can do no wrong
see >>98477560
>>not Ultramarines so you can feel special for picking them

>>98477992
You can use that argument for all the chapters if you want to be reductive

I miss wargear.
I miss force organizational charts.
I miss when terrain was more dynamic.

I miss warhammer.

>>98477994
Other chapters aren't so heckin wholesome chungus

>>98477640
I always thought the space marines being indifferent to mortals is because of codex astartes stuff like staying a distance to not get distracted by human bonds that could compromise victory if actions are taken to save civies.
Salamanders ignore this for cultural reasons.
Marines malevolent take the civie ignoring to logical conclusion.
Ultramarines adhere to codex autism and try to avoiding bonding with mortals though some may want to which is every named ultramarine with a face to my knowledge.

My source is the crust around my asshole.

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>>98477960
I think my most vivid warhammer dream was were I was on a date with Kairos Fateweaver and she (had a female voice) was speaking German

>>98477580
Didn't they get a whole miniseries stroking them off?

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Which Chaos warbands fight the smartest and with most reasoning rather than berserk charging forward and forgetting to actually take down objectives because there were a bunch of civilians on the side to murderfucktorture?

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THEY LOVE US

>>98478002
None of them are smart. Not even in a relative sense. If you start grading them on that curve, you've gone full retard.

>>98477526
I will post about how I LOVE how big and knight sized he is but then I will never ever actually buy a 210 dollar primarch model the size of a knight because fuck gw and fuck named characters except kayvaan and suboden because they are cool.

>>98478005
>US
Neither of us are James Workshop.

>>98478002
Probably the night lords or alpha legion.
They seem to always fight to reduce their own casualties and end the conflict quickly where nl use fear to end it fast and alpha legion does manipulation stuff to compromise their targets so they’re weakened before they get there.

My sources are the schizo voices.

>>98477708
>carpet clad hands typed this

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>>98477997
Really? Blood Angles are represented to be very kind even despite the Red Thirst and one of their successors is very famous for caring for civilians.
The successors of the Imperial Fists are too shown to care for civilians:Crimson Fists and Sons of the Phoenix.
There are probably dozen more examples. Salamanders being one of the original founding legions just are more popular

>>98478005
Could warhammer 40k in theory fix the lonely problem of Japan and South Korea by having nerds socialize at official gw stores or even the lgs? Even if the fix is a little?
I don’t believe women in Korea or Japan are interested in 40k as much as the men would be but they would probably be relieved it isn’t the usual vidya stuff.

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>>98477551
>Or are they uncomfortable with a brutal faction in a brutal setting?
The truth is a lot of don't want that and it bothers a lot of you tits here.
Its why Gaunt is on his 50th book and Yarrick is beloved while """fan favourite""" commissar reine's series ended after 1 book and commissar graves is a joke.

>>98478020
The lonely problem is the problem of women being whores.

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>>98477708
Dunking on awful fandoms/the bad side of fandoms never gets old.
Furries are only “tolerated” now because something worse came along and became a repeating site in nerd spaces until it became annoying. Something worse will come along after.
Like warhammer 40k now I think. The fanbase is awful and you can only strive to be “one of the good ones” at best.

But I also think the black templars in their animations was flash glitz dunking on how warhammer 40k fans insert themselves into every nerd discussion way too much.

>>98478031
>Furries are only “tolerated” now because something worse came along
Which, incidentally, had massive overlap with furries.

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>>98478031
>Something worse will come along after.
what could possibly be worse?

>>98478042
(you)

>>98477963
Deldar don't need anything. You said it yourself, if sallyfags should be happy with just 2 characters then deldar don't anything either. It's only equivelant.

>>98478048
>the entire Salamander range is just two units
They're space marines, numbnuts

>>98477974
Refutation doesn't mean shit, even if I said no you'd still call me a samefag regardless. You're just butthurt and can't handle the fact that 2 different people disagree with you.
Not surprising since you're a twitter lolcow whose entire existance revolves around getting outside affirmation.

>>98478021
>Play Necromunda
I am super tempted, but no one plays it in my area.

>>98477997
Imperial Fists, Blood Angels, Space Wolves, Lamenters.
Again, you're wrong.

>>98478054
lol thanks for admitting you are a btfo seething Redditor salamanders player! Didn't read your post btw

>>98478051
No, Salamanders are only allowed to field two models and then bring Ultramarines allies for the rest of the list

>>98478001
You think I give a fuck about some animation series? You think that replaces model releases? Fuck no.

>>98478064
>all standard space marines are just Ultramarines
Holy shit, marinefags are the most entitled faggots

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just me who thinks DoW 4 just looks kinda....shit? I have 0 hype for it, it's like a game being made where i'm not the target audience, yet I love DoW 1

>>98478069
>just me who thinks DoW 4 just looks kinda....shit?
Video games are fucking ghey. Do you really think you're the first person to notice?

>>98478035
Furries don't have celebrities and politicians defending them and firing/jailing/harrassing people who criticize and make fun of them.

>>98478062
>you got owned! you got owned!
Bohemond, you're acting like a child who is stick thumbs in his ears going "LALALALALA I CANT HEAR YOU"
This is what I mean by lolcow behaviour.

Go back to twitter to talk about to your followers how you're a faggot and how many you take dicks up your ass. Since that is the only meaningful conversation you're capable of having clearly.

>>98478051
Yeah? And I want more salamanders units. Simple as.

>>98477999
>Ultramarines adhere to codex autism and try to avoiding bonding with mortals though some may want to which is every named ultramarine with a face to my knowledge.
Ultramarines ironically should be considered a divergent chapter given how thoroughly they ignore the codex rules. They're functionally still a legion, like Dark Angels with all the tributary chapters that follow their command and replenish their numbers after every massive defeat.

>>98477580
>>98477808
>marinepig complaining about not getting enough stuff without even a hint of irony despite getting as many releases for their faction as every other army combined
fucking lmao

>>98478002
Night lords. They let the torturing for later.

>>98478019
"Care for civilians" is such a low bar to clear when everyone gets compared to the worst of the worst cannibals and psychopath chapters as it that's the expectation.

>>98478089
every space marine unit is a salamander unit, you got multiple units of marines that specialise in flame weaponry

>>98478089
I'm sure you'll get three more primaris lieutenants this year for your army.

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>>98478069
>I love dow 1
I tried it but I got filtered hard by what I believe was how close the camera was to the battlefield. I had an easy time during the first two tutorial missions because it was a straight line, but then on mission 3 when you have your attention split between two paths of orks it was an absolute nightmare because I struggled to jump around the map checking out my main base, my servitors building, my team 1 my team 2, and anything else around the map I had to check out. I know dudes in the 2000s did this no problem, so am I just retarded, or is there some kind of mindset that I have to adopt while playing it?

>>98478002
>>98478013
>nigga lords
Attack under cover of night, sabotage enemy lines to cause fear and uncertainty
>alpha leejun
uses genestealer tactics to infiltrate the planetary defense forces beforehand so the enemy is fighting their own traitorous men before AL opens a portal to hell to fuck them
>world eaters
a bunch of screaming retards running at the enemy on combat stims and nails
>emperor's children
take pleasure in torturing people, will leave their own 'brothers' to die if they think they're making them look bad
>death guard
can take a hit, not from death company though
>thousand sons
Literally just empty suits
>red corsairs
scallaywags who would abandon their post if they weren't getting loot
>iron warriors
send all their guys into battle you're a fag if you die brother

>>98477997
desu most focused on chapters feel so whitewashed nowadays that having them be horrible monsters would be more unique than the "good guy" chapters. reminds me of how every drow became a drizzt clone badboy rebel to the point that the bad ones became the exception

>>98478059
>Fists and Angels
Not nearly as wholesome heckin friendly as Sallies and their chungus family units. They just barely pass the bar of "don't use civvies as fodder or optional sidequests" of other chapters. Especially with BA's tendency to morb out and snack on civvies from time to time.
>Wolves
Didn't they lose an entire expedition into the Ghoul Stars or Halo Stars because they tried to molest the locals?
>Lamenters
Lack the plot armor of Sallies, literally already been addressed

>>98478108
are you playing on enhanced edition?

if not install the camera mod

>>98478117
>reminds me of how every drow became a drizzt clone badboy rebel to the point that the bad ones became the exception
I've always wondered if RA Salvatore wrote Jarlaxle specifically because he was aware of the Drizzt Clone trend and wanted to show how you can have a drow renegade who is still an evil, scheming lil shit. I always liked Jarlaxle more than Drizzt anyways.

>>98478059
Imperial fists don't care they're standard marines you're thinking of the CF.
>space wolves
They mostly care about the humans fighting alongside them

>>98478089
You've got some cool new salamanders outrider bikes coming next month

The problem with vanilla marines is that while, yes, they have a huge range and get a billion releases, all of them are completely mid compared to their brothers with their own codex. It's a roster of units that are all 6.5 - 8 /10 in theory, but have nothing tying them together. All that variety, but nothing to reward you for taking a wide range of units because the detachments want you to specialize in a handful of mid units.

>>98478089
You just got a new Salamanders starter box, boy.

> >>98478126
DEldar could probably stand to take more inspiration from Drow and Menzoberranzan

>>98478139
>space marines are bad because they have TOO many options, but the game forces you to specialize
>anyways, that's why I want more marines that exclusively use flamers
I'll never understand marinefags

>>98478139
Holy mother of first world problems

>>98478117
>>98478126
What’s the equivalent of this stuff to other 40k factions?
I know for undivided csm it is “using chaos but actually not chaos space marines” to the point where a warband wholly for chaos like word bearers will be unique among the homebrew.

>>98478152
>I know for csm it is “using chaos but actually not chaos space marines” to the point where a warband wholly for chaos like word bearers will be unique among the homebrew.
ftfy

>>98478145
There's nothing to understand, they don't think logically, you might as well assume everything they say is BOT-slop to fill a post.

>>98478139
This might be a bit tinfoil hat but it always seemed to me like Phobos was supposed to be an entirely seperate range of marines that just got shoved together with the rest.

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>>98478141
Comorrogh is already pretty much scifi Menzoberran minus the psychobitch spidercunt goddess and her matriarchal society, there's just not enough focus on it to truly appreciate that fact. They've got Great Houses, lowborn scum to be used as fodder, the whole elf mafia politicking thing going, raids on the "surface" for slaves and for fun. They even have the drow's fondness for whips and curved swords.

Hell, they even have a goodly renegade with a glowing magic sword.

>>98478141
Commorragh is cooler than femdom: the race.

>>98478155
Thanks anon. You’re actually correct.

>>98478152
I've actually heard some people complain default CSMs are too "black legion coded" and that other undivided legions like Word Bearers or Alpha Legion or Night Lords and other CSMs need better support.

Which fair enough I guess, give em a few upgrade sprues if founding chapters get the same treatment.

Remember Warhammer Horror?
Remember Warhammer Crime?

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>>98478161
The wytch cults is matriarchal enough, just gotta have a spider bitch at the top, somehow.

Which they could easily have since the elves/eldar have morai heg/ereth khial available as matron deity for a cult who could be associated with spiders.

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>>98478169
default csm work wonderfully for all legions, the only people who disagree are fags who think the chaos legions are still their HH selves.

For chaosfags in denial there's the corsairs kit.

>>98478172
not enough at all since they have male torsos in my gladiator psycho bitches sprue

>>98478170
>shove blacks unnecessarily into every facet of Warhammer
>except Warhammer Crime
Yeah naw, fuck that.

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>>98478172
If spiderbitches is all you want from Menzo then yeah some sort of Dark Warp Spider would work I guess. I think Mandrakes already fulfill that role mechanically but I don't know enough about CWE or DE forces to say for certain.

Oh another similarity I missed in my last post: haemonculi covens and their grotesques and pain engines work pretty much exactly like getting punished via becoming Dridered in Menzoberran.

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>>98478164
Debateable

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>>98478180
>5 for $65

>>98478180
>default csm work wonderfully for all legions
Sure, same as default space marines. But I can't really fault the other legions for wanting upgrade sprues. I think every faction should have more subfaction support like what marines get.

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>>98478192
>being poor

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>>98477551
Wanna know the real reason? It's because Leviathan and all the starter sets during 10th edition came with Infernus marines, so it made sense for people to lean hard into the fire/flamethrower-themed faction after a bit of research. Also because Green is an easy color to paint

>>98478182
They're bottom bytches, matriarchy is defined by the fact the gals rule.

>>98478196
nice try, james.

>>98478195
all the legions deserve upgrade sprues yes. but do salamanders, who have already received like 2 dozen upgrade sprues already, deserve unique units?

>>98478201
>Spoiler
I was going to say earlier I think people just like green

Should I edge-highlight or drybrush on my highlights? I don't think the heavy highlights that 'eavy metal uses look good.

>>98478196
retard

>>98477677
Scouts are always a solid option and slot into any type of army easily. The real question is what lane do you want to expand your army towards? Do you want to go all in on jump pack infantry? A Combined Arms type deal with some vehicles? Peruse through the catalog of Marine kits and decide which ones you like the most of.

>>98478083
>It's still replying
Didn't read but it's really funny that your way of showing you aren't assmad is to keep replying LMAO
You can have the last (you) since unlike you, I don't give a fuck
Your next move will be utterly predictable

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>>98478195
night lords and iron warriors got theirs, the god cults got their specific units, black legion and word bearers work perfectly even without an upgrade.
it's just the alpha legion who could warrant a new upgrade sprue, but even then the fags wouldn't like it because they want their chaos free of chaos.

>>98478206
"Deserve" is a very loaded word because we're talking about plastic spacemen being made by a gaggle of retarded brits, none of the factions "deserve" anything and anyone could disappear tomorrow for all we know.

But to stop dodging your question: like I said previously, I'd love to see EVERY faction get more subfaction variety and flavor, and yes I'd prefer if it happened to the more unloved factions first. To be honest I can't think of anything Sallies could even get that isn't covered by default marines. Even more flamer subtypes? More thunderhammers because they're blacksmiths? One reason they've only got named characters is possibly because that's all GW can really think to add to them.

>>98478203
nah fuck off I want my 100% elf chick squads

>>98478160
They've struggled to find their niche especially since scouts were updated and GW decided to make them both really cheap and have more scouting skills than the specialist marines (free teleporting is crazy). But it made sense during the early primaris years to add tacticool snipers and veteran scouts to the range while core firstborn models were still selling well and didn't need direct replacement (same thing with gravis:terminators).

Really hope they get a complete rules refresh in the next codex. Eliminators abusing the Hidden rule, consolidate infiltrators and incursors into one data sheet now that they don't sell some of the equipment options at all, finally figure out how to make reivers worthwhile over jump packs etc. I own way too many phobos marines.

>>98478235
>same thing with gravis:terminators
I still maintain Gravis were a second go at Centurions rather than an attempt to replace Termies

>>98478145
>that's why I want more marines that exclusively use flamers
Reading comprehension
>All that variety, but nothing to reward you for taking a wide range of units
Go ask your 5th grade English teacher for remedial lessons

>>98478246
see >>98478145
>but the game forces you to specialize
Reading comprehension

You complain about detachments obligating specialization being the problem, but then claim that's why subfactions that go all-in on specialization are superior.

>>98478253
Codex'd marines have unique units, detachments that support those units, and strong HQs that support the playstyle well. Just because Imperial Fists and Salamanders have a few epic heroes and slightly modified detachments does not mean they're as specialized as Blood Angels or Wolves.
And theoretically, I'm totally okay with that. But vanilla marines don't have anything to make up for the fact that there is no strong gimmick or mechanic to rally around. They just want you to be codex marines but worse.

What do you guys think would be a good main cannon for my Leeman Russ? I wanted something to deal with heavy armor mainly. Is plasma worth the risk it carries?

8th edition codex supplements for marine chapters like iron hands and raven guard were good, they should do that again in 11th.

>>98478195
>>98478224
it's extremely more easy to word bearer or alpha legion the generic legionaries though and ultramarines have an upgrade sprue so black legion would need one too the alpha legion is also harder to pin down because most players who are alphatistic would benefit from incorporating corsair renegades into their army, due to the similarly to loyalist armour patterns, since the AL 'lore' list would make heavy use of kitbashed patterns, traitor guardsmen and maybe an overt daemon prince if we assume it's the part of the alpha legion subversion where they bring in the "haha, we were always chaos" part of their forces.

Word Bearers are easy though since it's
>eight pointed star on armour
>8 pointed star icon
>horns horns horns
>8 pointed start pauldrons
>mutations and horns
It's easy to make them the most chaosy you just need the daemonface pauldron for the "these are my guys" look. And helmets with even bigger horns, preferably.

>>98478296
Are Blood Angels and Space Wolves really that specialized? They still have access to every single non-chapter Codex Marine unit and Detachment if they want to use them. If anything they have even more variety than the Codex Space Marines do

>>98478306
Also some books n scrolls or some shit, WBs would be easy as fuck to upgrade sprue. ALs would just need the scaly armor from their HH lines because as you said, anyone who wants to play up stealth AL memes already has plenty of tools available to them.

>>98478145
>>98478139
Space marines are fucked up like stormcast, the GW rereleases and redos of the range to drive sales created a bloated range that theoretically covers a lot of bases but doesn't actually satisfy people who want to run Raven Guard with lightening claws and jetpacks or White Scars with lots of bike support (and the bikes are ugly). Some armies like Iron Hands have all this lore of Cyborg Marines and guys who are half tank tread half marine and robots that have the minds of dead iron hands uploaded into them (Helfathers) but the actual iron hands struggle to even find enough robot arms.

This is why the primaris kits suck too, any complaint you can make for the legionaries being focused narrowly on black legion is 10 times worse for intecessors since it's difficult to even build them to be thematic- the 'themes' of armies like white scars having curved swords or whatever require a lot of upgrade sprues.

>>98478299
Magnetize it. Barring that, IIRC the cannons are simple peg and slot connections, so you can skip magnets if you really wanted to and just have friction hold the gun in. There's really no reason to ever glue them in.

>>98478321
>This is why the primaris kits suck too, any complaint you can make for the legionaries being focused narrowly on black legion is 10 times worse for intecessors since it's difficult to even build them to be thematic- the 'themes' of armies like white scars having curved swords or whatever require a lot of upgrade sprues
And those upgrade sprues suck ass too.
>here's 2 curved chainswords and 2 generic mk10 helmets with 1 lightning symbol on the helmet
Gee, thanks.
I don't even mind primaris or mk10, but having an upgrade sprue that amounts to being just "here's a little sticker on your helmet" is just fucking lame.

>>98478310
I would say DA/BA/SW/BT aren't specialized at all because their special units heavily overlap into the specialities of armies like raven guard (jump assault), salamanders (flamers), imperial fists being cucked out of being the Top Dorn Sons in general. The special codex boys get so many toys like the nephilim jetfighter or the flying box the space wolves used to have that they don't even really need more than a few codex compliant models.

When you think about it the lore that IF died but were 'revived' is retarded, if it were possible to go back I would edit IF so that they went extinct and the sons of dorn merely carry on in their name, would make the story fresh as fuck but oh well.

>>98478310
Losing access to units doesn't make you specialized. Having detachments, units, rules, and HQs that really juice your chapter's gimmick does.

>>98477551
>Marine player trying to throw smoke at Salamanders
Don't forget to zoom you pic out again, into the infinite IKEA of "SPACE MARINES ARE MY FAVORITE FACTION"

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>>98478321
>This is why the primaris kits suck too
Embrace the Tactical Squad before GW squats it

>>98478310
Blood Angels became more specialised in 11th because they pay a tax on all close combat units that is only justified when using bonuses from their own detachments. If you're not doing a specific type of spam it's no longer worth playing BA at all.

>>98478139
Sorry, you're a marine player
You're not allowed to have legitimate concerns about your army because... uhhh... GW took a long time to make plastic Aspect Warriors

Anybody have scans of the late 10th campaign books?

>>98478360
It's not that Salamanders aren't unloved. It's just a matter of perspective. Space Marines are getting new units every year that kind of count for Salamanders too. Meanwhile World Eaters got the same number of new models last edition as Salamanders, the subfaction, specifically did.

>>98478354
the lgs I went to yesterday was empty at 10 AM except for the 1 employee in the back near the register. The game room (which was the front) is obscured from the register. i was surprised because they had a bunch of unpainted stormravens just strewed across the tables. I could have easily nicked one and walked out. I didn't though but I was surprised by the absolutely 0 security, I don't think they even have a camera.

>>98478343
>Having detachments, units, rules, and HQs that really juice your chapter's gimmick does.
Thank you
People always post shit like "just kitbash your guys into the Digeridoo craftworld that has the special Toilet Cleaner Aspect" but seem to not grasp there are no rules to actually run that aspect or craftworld's strategies and counts as is a poor approximation. This is why it's better when GW puts out rules and detachments and the sheer amount of seethe this causes is counterintuitive.

Played a game of 11th and it fucking sucked. Should I play another game or just stick with painting the models?

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Why did GW write the Exodites as evil?

>>98478414
If you didn't like it because there was too much bullshit, try the One Page Rules: Grimdark Space Battles version

>>98478417
Humans dominate livestock and pets too. I think this is just GW putting a spin on fairly normal behaviour for grimdark cred
>inb4 someone larps as a PETA activist

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The joke is that marines are aro/ace.

>>98478417
What do you mean? That's cool as fuck and marks them as rugged survivalists instead of kumbiyah hippies

>>98477794
AI slop

>>98478417
They didn't write them as evil, but as powerful and in danger

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>>98478019
Chapters that use old IG/SM vehicles transfer sheet icons as their chapter badges are by far my favourite gender.

>today I shall prime some minis
>Open window
>assaulted by 100 degree heat and eleventy billion humidity
damn it, another reason to consider an airbrush

>>98478417
> Be part of civilization that is in the height of decadence
> see the writing on the walls
> choose to leave
> live off the land
> subjugate creatures from where you reside after fleeing
Anon, exodites are some of the first Eldar to leave maidenworlds. Of course they're going to still retain Eldar arrogance

>>98477841
>>98477807
Hate to break it to you but salamanders are religious extremists. They brand runes and symbols onto their skin regularly to try and overcome their inherent healing ability. The Promethean Creed is not about watching My Little Pony with a big bowl of endocrine disrupting sugar slop every Saturday morning.

>>98477995
I wish to retvrn to vehicle armor facings, damage tables, and true line of sight. Getting down to your mini's level to see what he could see was such a cool part of the game, as was using the little markerlight laser when looking visually wasn't an option.

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>>98478417
I like the attempt at making their art be copies of the old school 3rd edition art style

>>98478299
Magnetize, it's not hard. Time consuming, yes, but not hard. Especially for space marine models and any vehicles

>>98478417
They're not horses they're death world tier beasts the fuck do you expect them to do

>>98478389
Those were Bait Planes.

>>98478417
Now they just need
>Battleline units with shuriken bows
>Triceratops riders
>T-Rex riders
>Pterodactyl riders
>Maybe a Brachiosaurus rider
>Centaur Titan
>

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My GSC brothers, what do we think of this list

biosantic [Genestealer Cults] - (1995 points)
Detachments: Biosanctic Broodsurge, Xenocult Masses
Take and Hold

Aberrants (140 points)
Aberrants (140 points)
Abominant (105 points)
Abominant (85 points)
Achilles Ridgerunners (95 points)
Achilles Ridgerunners (95 points)
Acolyte Hybrids With Autopistols (70 points)
Acolyte Hybrids With Hand Flamers (75 points)
Benefictus (75 points)
Benefictus (75 points)
Biophagus (50 points)
Goliath Rockgrinder (120 points)
Hybrid Metamorphs (140 points)
Neophyte Hybrids (135 points)
Neophyte Hybrids (135 points)
Patriarch (105 points)
Purestrain Genestealers (140 points)
Purestrain Genestealers (75 points)
Reductus Saboteur (70 points)
Reductus Saboteur (70 points)

>patriarch with 10 genestealers with biomorph adaptation
>abominant with 5 abberants with predatory instincts, the other 5 abberants with abominant in rockgrinder
>biophagus with 10 metas
>benefictus with both 20 man neophyte squads

I've got a few different squads and characters i can change out if need be

>>98478452
Yeah... I've had multiple times were I woke up an the ass crack of dawn to prime minis before the sun scorched me and dried all the primer.

>new to hobby
>finish building my first unit
>time to prime them
>live in an apartment with vertical windows that barely open so can't blast them with spray paint out the window
>don't have an airbrush
>literally too stupid to buy brush-on primer
>assemble a cardboard monstrosity out of old boxes that give me room to prime the minis with a backdrop that should catch all the paint
>need an open area to do it
>street is too busy to do it outside
>sneak into my apartment building's parking garage, reserved for the upper caste of society who can afford a car in this wretched town
>find a quiet corner where I won't disturb anyone
>begin operation
>finish
>return to room without being seen, no one to ask me about the thick paint smell coming from my box
>paint dries
>realize I missed spots on almost all of the models
>one of their arms falls off while inspecting
this has been a very humbling morning

>>98478483
Oh that gives me the idea to do some before I leave for work in the morning tomorrow, thanks anon.
I'm finally on an antidepressant and feeling the motivation to turn my shelves of grey into actually painted models but the sun is trying to stop me.

>>98478487
Using an airbrush to prime may very well save your sanity.

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>>98478482
>Achilles Ridgerunners
I had no idea GSC had a vehicle named that
>Achilles Ridgerunners are fast-moving buggies
>It's a reference his main epithet of swift footed Achilles
kino

>>98478475
I can run faster than they can.

>>98478487
missing a few spots is not a big deal and won't effect the end result at all.

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Is building a Khorne Daemons army a bad idea in the current edition? I have about 1000pts of them and I wonder if I should spend more money on bringing them up to 2000pts or let them retire for a bit and focus on a "real" army like Tau or CSM instead.
I have Skulltaker, a Bloodmaster, a Daemon Prince, 20 Bloodletters, 3 Bloodcrushers, 10 Flesh Hounds and a Skull Cannon.
With Bloodletters having a cap of 10 minis per unit and no transport options I'm worried that none of them will see any action before being gunned like bitches. Am I underestimating the Shadow of Chaos?
Should I focus on upping the Bloodcrusher unit to 6 and both Flesh Hound units to 10 each instead, in hope that their speed will do the trick?
Are Karanak and Skullmaster even worth taking?
And what about Bloodthirsters?

>>98478478
>>Centaur Titan
I'm afraid their kill team booklet makes no mention at all of knight titans, only bigger dinosaurs
we'll have to make do with wraithknights kitbashes

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Is the D6 a mathematically inferior dice or something? I was reading that some people think warhammer 40k and games like kill team etc should be played with D10's rather than D6's. Apparently the D6 is mathematically inferior some how but in what way does a D6 "suck"? Or why would a D10 be better? Basically, some would say that warhammer being D6 based actually makes it suck somehow.

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>>98478389
that's what happens when you live in a place that lacks certain demographics
people don't feel the need to guard against uncivilized behavior and can reasonably expect their stuff to not be stolen if they don't have it secure 24/7
the fact that people are baffled by this only shows how far we've fallen
Warhammer 40k

>>98478478
>Pterodactyl riders
Quetzalcoatlus* riders
>T-Rex riders
Giganotosaurus* riders

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>>98478493
>qt mutie patootie GSC girl in the spotter nest

How is it that GSC get better female face sculpts and official paint jobs than the sororitas? She's frickin' adorable!

>>98478516
She's an alien whose entire gimmick is tricking you into breeding her anon

>>98478509
The problem that people have with the D6 is that it makes representing the narrative power of various units a bit difficult. I think for a lot of people it's less of a mathematics issue and more of a fantasy issue. Someone asking themselves "why does this regular ass tyranid have the same toughness as a regular ass human man? Why do they both hit on the same target number?"

>>98478520
Yeah, so tart them Sororitatas up a bit, lead me not to temptation but deliver us unto some power-armored thighs.

>>98478425
>>98478432
>>98478438
They are based on Wood Elves. The Asrai work with the beasts of nature and bond with them. They don't dominate them.

>>98478509
D6 just has huge percentage gaps for each balance change
Moving something from hitting on 5’s to hitting on 4’s is a 17% boost in probability
Something like D10 or even D20 allows you to balance in finer increments and also RPG dice are just cool and fun and make it feel more like you’re gaming
D6 is a common dice everyone is familiar with and it feels like playing yahtzee or something lol

I feel like there are two very different reasons GSC fans like their faction so much and I think both of them make me uncomfortable in different ways.

>>98478516
My guess is a mixture of
>GW sucks at making the Sororitas' signature bob cut look attractive
>the enlarged cranium gives her a more infantile and thus "cute" appearance
>she's not screaming so she doesn't look more masculine

>>98478521
>why does this regular ass tyranid have the same toughness as a regular ass human man?

This is not one of the narrative issues with this system, hormagaunts and termagants are basically the size of large predatory cats.

>>98478509
Granularity, like others have said. There's nothing wrong with a d6 die itself but having 1d6 roll as a resolution mechanic for hitting and resisting means there are only 5 tiers of proficiency scaling any unit can have. Something like 2d6 gives way more options with a curve favoring median results over extremes.

>>98478521
True
The numbers are bound to repeat extremely frequently since they have no choice but to operate within like 1 or 2 increments of eachother

>>98478498
They're safe at least this edition as far as army existence goes. Think all gods/detachments mixes are seeing some modicum of success so there is that.
Fill up with skarbrand (or yourdude rename) and bloodthirsters for easy route. You can run more bloodcrushers too instead of big ones

>>98478514
Should I have these in my list?

>>98478065
Well too bad, you got Sa'kan the ubermensch who never does anything wrong and heckin wholesome chungusly corrects the Sororitas and the Ultramarines when they want to be grimdark into being noblebright heroes (and then they immediately die doing the 'right thing' lol)

>>98478388
Well yes, Marines get a lot of releases. Nobody denies that.
But it's hard to be a Salamanders player and get excited for the new Primaris™ Skibidfanum™ because it has 0 place in Forgefather's Seekers

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>>98478526
Ever since I read Day of Ascension, I've grown to like them more as the Mad Max Fury Road War Boys meets Les Miserables meets The Shadow Over Innsmouth.
The idea that life under the Imperium sucks so bad, the bugs eating us all is an improvement because then at least you won't die of cancer, knowing your kids and their kids and their kid's kid's kid's kid's kids will all die of cancer before they turn 30 on an unforgiving radioactive shit-world. The mechanicus could fix the issues, but that sort of treatment for the labor isn't cost effective.

In any other setting, you could say "over time things might improve!" but this is 40k, there setting that opens with the line "no it's all fucked and you're going to die horribly," so is there really any difference? Get eaten by bugs once of 10,000 more years of slow decay and utter desolation for you and all your descendants.

Come on guys, let's all just get eaten by the bugs, guys. It'll be great, you guys, I swear.

>>98478533
I wouldnt give large predatory cat sized alien raptors the same toughness as a moderately trained human male if the systems increments were fine enough to allow for them to be different
But since everything operates off of huge rough 17% D6 chunks thats just kind of how it is

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>>98478417
Huh. So they're just like Drukhari Beastmasters. Probably both hail from the same tradition of the old Aeldari empire.

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The exodite campaign in the box is actually 'unplayable' without the waystones and star steles, they're literally macguffins that you 'activate' to defeat the Ork. The waystones literally should have been on a sprue in the damn box I have no clue why the fuck they did this besides either fucking up the production and forgetting them or wanting to put even more orks in and sacrificed the space that would have gone to a terrain sprue. The Cunts.

GW gets so egregious they literally recommend people buy even more Ork NPOs like the Beastboss on Squiggasaur.

The thing that annoys me is the dossier is so fat and thick you can tell they bumped the price up just for this. It's like a Codex rather than a floppy book.

>>98478478
which is why I think this is happening sooner rather than later, the Kill Team dossier is like a not-codex.

>>98478417
>taming wild animals=evil

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>>98478501
BRIGHT
STALLION

>>98478523
And these guys are rugged survivalists who use their dangerous life as a ward against Slannesh's pull. It wouldn't make sense if everything was harmonious and free of strife.

>>98478567
Why not? Adult male cougars have generally the same body weight as adult male humans.

>>98478579
Cougars lack chitin plating and zero pain/fear instincts.