>>98483580
>What's your favorite random table?

Too many to list but if there was a gun to my head and I had to pick one I would pick Welcome to Corpathium as the main body table with various subtables for creating a game world.

Practical tables vary by the campaign. The stuff in Garden of Ynn has been good for the current one. A nice collection of procedural generation that isn't too cludgy to use at the table, mood and stats.

Wandering Monster tables on a 2d6 curve have served me well.

DMG Appendix A Table V. F.
I can make everything from there if I have to.

>>98483704
>Welcome to Corpathium
Really? Not to be antagonistic, but that table on its own doesn't seem to have enough meat on it to be a top tier usable table to me. Something like The Nocturnal Table has a siilar vibe but much more beef on the bones.

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hard to find inspiration or enjoyment in these threads anymore. endless trolling and the hostility has really reached a new level

>>98484463
>the hostility has really reached a new level
I say this with all due love and respect anon, but are you sure you're not wearing rose-colored glasses, or perhaps just becoming a weak-kneed faggot as you get older?

>>98483963
Not antagonistic, I get you. Its not a set of tables with anything mechanical and I like The Nocturnal Table too. Its a weird TQ because of the breadth of work random tables cover for OSR games so I went with a top down, mid range and immediate use.

I found Welcome To Corpathium great for making the world, I've never had problems finding modules or making adventures to fit into things after that part and the initial inspirational groundwork was extensive enough I can use it constantly. Have for a few one-shots, a campaign, a skirmish wargame for a bit.

>>98484541
>Its a weird TQ because of the breadth of work random tables cover for OSR games so I went with a top down, mid range and immediate use. I found Welcome To Corpathium great for making the world
Oh yeah, I think I actually misread you now that I look again. That makes sense now.

I really like Appendix D myself. Often slept on, but good.

>>98484463
Bro hostility ITT has been way down ever since Fishfag (who was causing almost all of it) got decisively chucked, what are you talking about? All there is now is one guy who replies with unreasonable salt to any rules question and he's extremely easily ignored. I don't like him either, but if you think that's bad, /v/ would rip the skin right off your bones.

>>98484594
>im too dumb to know the rules, so im being bullied!
lol

I've started making index cards with monster stats for easy reference/so it's easy to rearrange the space behind the screen.
I think I'm going to start using index cards for everything... Magic items and spells that get handed out... Even to replace some tables.
What's the weather? *shuffle weather deck and draw*
What monster was encountered? *shuffle monster deck and draw. Stats are right there*

I'm telling myself it's useful but I think I might be going crazy

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>>98484985
I use a index card stack that has rings for flipping. I prep my sessions with them

>>98484976
No, Saltanon, I often reply to the same people you do but with explanations and without seething about it.

Also, last thread proved you aren't so shit-hot on the rules yourself all the time so maybe a bit more humility and friendliness would be in order.

>>98484985
I like using index cards as PC character sheets.

But yeah, they're also great for new monsters and magic items.

>>98485014
That was me, not him, and not knowing the details of a specific item in one of the three editions used here is not even remotely the same as not knowing the rules.

"Learn the game before you start homebrewing" was never a controversial opinion before

>>98485032
I also think it's a good idea to learn the game before you start homebrewing, but that doesn't mean I expect nobody to ask a rules question in here ever.

>>98485056
>that doesn't mean I expect nobody to ask a rules question in here ever.
Well, yeah, that's the difference between us and saltanon.

>>98484985
Recovering index card addict.
I share your excitement but also your insight that it is a thing you're telling yourself.
>magic items
Good initially. Feels cool to hand out, players get excited, you can doodle on it. But eventually players get cluttered with too many over time and either switch to writing them down or fuck about with the cards and lose them and forget.
>spells that get handed out
See above. I wanted players to use them like spell cards from whfb or mtg but it never came together that way.
>replacing tables
Fun to do as a writing exercise and novelty but eventually found making tables with 2-3 lines per entry tops was more effective at the table.
>weather
See above. You could make a weather deck with probabilities mapped out for which sorts of weather was more prevalent and then adjust the deck by season. Or you could use a table and probabilities.
I made entire encounter and wilderness decks, a few dungeons with a room per card but I have over time curtailed my use of them for everything and mostly use them for NPCs and henchmen.
Not saying don't do it. Its neat and made me a lot better at writing shorthand and getting out of other styles of play but I've come to appreciating 2 notebooks with some indexing more and more over time.
Easier to store too, having index cards for the empty rooms was clunky but not having cards and having the details in a book or on a table defeated the point and was too obvious about the room contents being less important.

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what's up with you FAGs spamming the Open OSR thread again?
I thought we had a more or less working truce?
sure no one can guarantee there wouldn't be some retard or even an outsider troll looking to pick a fight, but it worked overall

planning on running AD&D's T1-4 and then maybe GDQ1-7
Is the T series fine as is or is there some changes you guys would recommend or alternate versions (like changing the end of GDQ with DF16 etc)

>>98485501
What "truce"? His not-a-general thread was down to talking about 4th ed Dark Sun in its quest to explore the one true OSR, and was so empty that Fishfag came over here spamming the last /osrg with his usual schizo garbage. However, the current activity in his hijack thread is due to him trying to cite the Simulacrum blog as something that backs him up, then the blog author updating it just to tell him by name to fuck off, after which there's been about 12 hours of nonstop furious backpedalling and cope that has been too funny to resist baiting him over.

>>98485574
The article still lists g&g as a faithful retro clone, and it still describes the OSR as being fundamentally about TSR-era D&D, so I don’t know what either of you is on about. It says that 2e is OSR.

>>98485897
>You are personally told by the author you cited to fuck off (retard) because you're wrong
>Nuh-uh, death of the author means I'm right
Death of the (you) is a far superior answer at this point in proceedings

>>98485032
>is not even remotely the same as not knowing the rules
despite the post of "its not in BX, youre wrong!"
stop acting like a know-it-all faggot

>>98485501
suck my shit, fishfag

>>98485032
>i dont know BX, but ill cry as an expert!!!

>>98485879
>[deleted[
suck my shit. fishfag

>>98485501
The truce is with the real thread, not your thread that stole the name and just seethes about /osrg/ all the time.

>>98485523
T1 is a good starter module, but T1-4 is unfortunately underwhelming. Mentzer's dungeon isn't particularly compelling. Even something like Barrowmaze would probably be a more enjoyable play experience to get the PCs up to levels where they can engage with G1.

>>98485501
>Make a thread where the OP is basically "Those subhuman chudoids of the /osrg/ kicked me out because they're a bunch of retards who don't know I'm right. Fuckers drew a cock on the moon with their Nazi space laser or so I heard"
>Get upset when other people tell you to stop being a cunt.
K

>>98486514
Seems like you're the one crying

>>98485501
A general for any "OSR" will always have people preaching arguing about mutually exclusive systems and interpretations of OSR. If everyone stopped talking about classic D&D in your thread, you would have the same inflammatory purity spiral but for GURPS or Runequest or some shit within 5 posts.

>>98486791
>inflammatory purity spiral
TOUT TOUT!

>>98486791
Why can't there just be a "Classic D&D" thread for people who want to post about that, and an "OSR" thread for people who also want to post about new games in the same spirit. That would be much easier to understand and everyone would get what they want

>>98486833
Because the Old School Renaissance General represents a community that's older than your ideas of OSR. We shouldn't have to change our name just because itchio and reddit disagree with us.

>>98486833
>That would be much easier to understand and everyone would get what they want
Except everyone who actually posts in this general, you mean?

Anyway, Anon is right; there's no reason why the actual OSR should give up the moniker to your personal misunderstanding of the OSR is, and then get shoved into a "classic D&D" thread that you would presumably include 2e in anyway. There's every reason that you should just learn properly what old-school means instead.

>>98485286
This is a nice sober take

>>98486833
nta blog post sorry.
That's been tried.
/tsrg/ or /2ndg/ or /todd/ don't have enough legs because the people making them didn't play enough of the actual games to maintain posting. Its just stuff like
>I liked this TSR era setting
and a few questions and that's about it.
/nusrg/ didn't work either because there's not enough cohesion between things like Mothership and Carin and Best Left Burried and Death In Space and UVG to do much more than
>has anyone played this cool looking thing?
and crickets. Doesn't help there that the creative energy of a lot of NUSR material is primarily focused on the art side so the gameplay tends to be quite shallow. There might be room for discussions of rulings but that would again require enough people who actually play to engage.
Some of the real problem is thinking it needs a general at all desu. Sometimes a fellow will get the urge in their gonads to talk about Birthright or Spell Jammer or something and they can make a thread about it. Happens from time to time but overall has trailed off, there will be some Darksuns posting for a bit because of the wotc remake. That's okay. Not everything needs to be a general.
/osrg/ had, note the past tense, a fairly lively pace of creative input and discussion for a while, got big and crashed out as the scene fragmented and covid happened. Then we lost pdfs. which had been on the decline for years anyway at that point. Its still got some charm and cool shit sometimes and its better than the alternatives but the trolling and excessive metaposting doesn't help either. There is enough commonality that gameplay and rules discussions still happen. At least with a more cohesive reference point fags can get into discussion about fire damage. It would be easy enough for the more persistent trolls to pass if they put any effort into it but they're more interested in tearing things down than talking about games.
>tldr
Be the change you want to see. Play games. Post about them.

>>98486912
What do you mean by PDFs?

>>98487454
This site used to allow PDF attachments with an 8-meg limit, until it was realized that the admins hadn't updated their security since Abacus 2.0 and people used a malformed PDF to compromise the site. The response was to disable the ability to attach them here, which hasn't been restored; it's not clear if it will ever be. It's put a severe cramp on the creative homebrews people used to make, in this thread and others.

>>98487454
>What do you mean by PDFs?
Summer is real.

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what do you consider the most important gameplay principles of OSR? here are the ones i thought of

>Gold as XP
XP primarily comes from treasure you manage to take back to town. You aren't here to kill everything, you're armed robbers here to steal the prize gemstones and escape alive.
>Reaction rolls
Things need to sometimes fight, sometimes negotiate, and sometimes help. This adds strategic depth to the game.
>Morale rolls
It's ridiculous for the 10th orc to keep fighting when his 9 comrades just got wiped by a fireball. This adds tactical depth to combat and makes it faster.
>Time pressure
You will run out of torches, and there are more monsters than you can handle. This incentivizes careful planning and forces you to make calls.
>Evasion/chase rules
Movement rates should be considered but so should tactics and distance between parties when encountered. This allows for survival when facing superior odds.
>Wandering monsters/random events
Some are positive or neutral, but most will be negative. This provides a resource drain (HP, spells, etc.) that forces strategic decisions about when to press on and when to head home.
>Combat as war
Combat needs to be high lethality for both you and the monsters. Everybody is in it to win it, and playing fair is for chumps. Sharp, deadly combat makes for a situation where neither you nor the monsters are expecting to get killed, and thus diplomacy is a good option most of the time!

>>98484478
No, you're just not as much of an oldfag as you think you are.

>>98487647
Meaningful choices in terms of exploration. The different routs in the dungeon need to be descriptive in ways the players can engage with and decisions about where to go and how they go about it have to have effects on how the game plays rather than a linear path though a static set piece.

>>98487811
Fuck that's actually really important. Can't believe I forgot that one.

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For those of you who play OD&D regularly; what is it about the game that makes you prefer it over things like AD&D or B/X?
I'm an AD&D guy, but lately I've been enjoying reading through some OD&D material and becoming more familiar with Chainmail. There's something about the LBBs that I find enticing. Curious to know what others see in it.

>>98488037
I like Chainmail's combat better than D&D's. Especially because magic weapons and armor become much more powerful.

>>98485014
>Also, last thread proved you aren't so shit-hot on the rules yourself all the time
Where's that, retard?
Sounds like made&up delusions.

>>98485032
Stop acting like a know it all expert telling other people to "read the books", of you don't even know the rules of the game youre talking about.

And stop fucking hiding and doing cope gymnastics.

>>98488289
>don't even know the rules
Why are you turning yourself retarded in pursuit of a trivial "own" on a Panamanian glassblowing circular?

>>98488373
>Claims to be an expert
>Tells others to read the books
>But doesn't know shit
KWABOTY
Yes, you got "owned". Now go read your DMG.

>>98488375
It was literally an item in one edition, why are you pretending that "know the rules" requires "memorize every single item in all three editions or admit you don't know anything?" You're literally fucking retarded right now, and I can't take your shit seriously.

Could anon please send the picture of Bob the Fighter vs modern player backstory?

>>98488383
>literally an item in one edition
yeah but it exposed a pretty fundamental gap in your understanding of the game
t. nta

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>>98483580
>Thread Question:
>What's your favorite random table?
This one for sure. So retro and rarely useful, but still cool.

>>98488037
For me it's three things: number one, the amount of loose ends requiring interpretation to finish the game forces you to make it your own and for me at least, really drives creativity; a "fruitful void" type of thing. Number two, like Anon I'm really fond of Chainmail-derived combat (and again, deciding exactly how to implement it in-game is an interesting exericse). Thirdly, some of the rules are just genuinely better than any other edition, like the hexcrawling procedure or the little rule about throwing things to distract pursuers.

Another benefit that isn't so important to me personally but which is objectively good is that in spite of OD&D's simplicity it has almost total direct compatibility with AD&D (if you're familiar with OD&D you can see that many AD&D rules are just the elaborate or deconstructed version of an OD&D rule) so you can add all your preferred selections of the AD&D rules very easily. For me personally, if I wanted "standard" D&D I'd just run AD&D, but I know that other referees are less interested in the creative/interpretive aspect and for them this is a big plus.

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>>98488540
I gotchu fampai.

>>98488383
Flaming swords exist in more than one edition, actually.
AD&D has flametongue. And damage caused by fire has been relevant since trolls have existed.
Spells to resist cold, fire, and to protect from lightning are also in AD&D. The spells specifically affect the amount of damage received by attacks of the given form, ie elemental damage, ie fire damage, cold damage, or electricity damage.

Just admit you don't actually know the game as well as you thought, and you are too autistic to handle shorthand language. It's fine, but you don't get to keep acting superior without facing ridicule for it.

>party split up during a fight
>the enemy hobgoblins retreated in good order in 2 separate directions into a large central room.
>both groups need to bash down the doors to get in
>north group bashes in the door in the first try and meets well organized resistance that badly wounds a PC and knocks out a henchman
>southern group with my top guy on point just needs to roll a 10 to break open the door
>fails for 2 rounds
>tired of waiting the enemy reserve opens the door and everyone stacked up in the room gets hit by fan of flames
>no one dies and the door is being held by a guy in plate with a +1 shield and the hobgoblins need 18s or 19s to hit
>2 of the 3 roll 19s and he goes down to big polearm hits
>send in the wardogs who should make quick work of hobgoblins
>they cant roll above 7 to hit
>have to get bailed out of this mess by the assassin shooting the hobgoblin mage in the back from the opposite side of the room
It really sucks when your dice go cold. 25 level 3ish PCs and their henchmen should have rolled over 35 hobgoblins. Thankfully for the people who went down there are no permanent injuries just weeks in hospital needed. Which would normally have me mad about wasting time but our elf leveled up too and needs time to learn new spells anyway.
But we split the party and mostly got away with it.

>>98487938
It ties into how the mapper operates as a player activity that informs a lot of the other key points you hit. The map doesn't have to be a 10' square accurate recreation, although some groups like to play it that way and if they can that's neat.
Having the map gives the players a better vantage point to consider strategic planning for this delve or future expeditions as well as tactical options for their current situation. They can see how far in they are, how long that took, where they want to go, etc. It feeds into all the things you listed really well.
From a gameplay example it means they can see roughly where they think they are in relation to the rest of the world, what their resources are and figure out if going through the tunnel with slowly falling glowing dust is a risk they want to sort out now or if they want to follow the wind noises to the south, or go back and try something else.
The DM creation of the dungeon and description of it to players has to inform them so they can use that information to ask questions and best guesses based on the information. Doesn't have to be, and often works better it isn't, full information, but the map and exploration choices are a big part of what ties together a lot of cool things about osr play.

>>98490132
While fine for in person play I find this eats a good chunk of time playing online and I absolutely hate that it seems to take something away from the description of a room when I have to follow up with asking about how many other exits there are and where are they.

>>98488383
Stop acting like an expert about a specific game, and telling people to read the books, if you don't even know the relevant rules in the game you are claiming to be an expert on.

I'm sorry that such a simple concept is elusive to you, but you have literally lost all respect that people could measurably have for any of your posts.

>>98489068
1. The word is saving, not savig.
2. "It's so retro and not very useful!"
God, idiots like you are just insufferable here

>>98490164
You must be really bad at describing your rooms if it takes this much extra time to describe how many exits and where.

Also, if you're going to play online, you some type of whiteboard where you can show them a rough estimate of the room, and then get rid of it so the mapper has to record it himself

>>98490176
Indeed, the word is "saving", yet my keyboard broke two days ago, specifically the key "n" seems to not work half the time. Probably because of all the times I wrote NIGGER.
Anyways, why the forced hatepost?
I get it, your general is gay and dying, but you don't need to bump this one and make a fool out of yourself.

>>98490111
>war is hell
I like it. I get the personal frustration with when the dice seem to fall in ways they
>shouldn't
but that's what the dice are for in risky and violent operations like fighting a bunch of organized violent monsters in a tunnel.
Taking out the mage is key, they fail morale at that point?

My session was mostly exploration and planning. Party went for trying to explore the tunnel with slowly falling glowing dust. At least they tied a rope around the scout, his idea smart scout, so they could haul his unconscious ass back out.
They're figuring out how to get though the hall, its short 20' long 5' sleep area, no doors. They went back to town and we stopped there.

>>98490164
>online play
I can't do that one. Really misses out on the parts I like. Tried it once, noticed a similar difficulty with mapping but likely there would be some sort of online whiteboard the group could easily use.
>asking more questions is taking away from the description
I don't follow this part at all. Asking questions adds to description.

>>98490207
The fact that you would describe the item saving through table as "so retro and rarely useful" completely out to you as an idiot and a newfag.

I would rather have one post a day from a dying thread, then the kind of vague inanities that nogames constantly post

>>98490232
It's because he isn't capable of actually describing rooms from a person's perspective, he is one of those people that reads aloud italicized text and is mentally incapable of envisioning what the space actually looks like or how to describe it.

>>98490264
I don't think you know what "newfag" means. Anyways, you are free to return to you gay and dead thread fishfag.

>>98490264
>I would rather have one post a day from a dying thread, then the kind of vague inanities that nogames constantly post
You post a lot for holding that view.

>>98490264
Outs you*

>>98490323
Not sure why you put it in quotes, but after 20 years on this site I'm pretty damn positive what newfag means.
You calling the 1e DMG "so retro and rarely useful", it's like that scene in inglourious bastards where the German recognizes the dude's fingers sign.
>Fishfag
I think you might be fundamentally retarded. 2e is not OSR, ACKS is based, and Gary is a saint.

>>98490332
There's always collateral damage in war.

>>98490348
Its sad you think this way, I've been here for just as long and somehow manage to not be a demented shitter. How's your game going?

>>98490345
>You calling the 1e DMG "so retro and rarely useful"
Except that I didn't call the whole book that, and even if I did, that does not in any way imply that I am new in this site, I have no idea how you came to that conclusion, but I would reccomend you to get a new brain. Your reading comprehension is not good, neither are your logical conclusions. Your mind is just fucked beyond repair.

>>98490388
It's great actually, I'm in three games a week, only one is osr though, I had to cut back a bit due to the summer being more busy than the spring.
My BX characters are stupid strong and I'm hoping for a good payoff to their career soon.
>>98490439
>Commonly used table from one of the most commonly used D&D books
>"Like, it's so totally retro, but who could ever find a use for it?!?"
Please, it's obvious you don't actually play the game, otherwise you would know differently.

>>98490478
Glad its going well. Focus on that instead of whatever slapwar you think you're fighting with the other guy.
People can be new at a game or talk about tables they think are interesting and its not an offence to zoz. Gotta let people go through processes you've already done and think are obvious at this point.

>>98490217
>morale
Kinda, most of the guards at the entrance to the lair fought a delaying action while a few fell back to raise the alarm. Once we cornered them in the central area they didn't really have anywhere to run that didn't lead back to where the party already was or a magically locked door. The played the fight pretty smart but high AC frontliners make short work out of things like hobgoblins in ACKS.

>>98487454
>What do you mean by PDFs?
kill yourself

>>98490541
No. Referring to an essential resource as "retro" and "rarely useful" is the hallmark of a moronic nogames.

>>98490969
Nou.

>>98491008
Brilliant, what an astounding reply. Go read your DMG.

>>98491010
lol fire damage control

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>>98491018
If youre playing OSR and not reading your 1eDMG, then you are fucked

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>>98491044

>>98491110
Very based, I commend you. Would you like to see mine?

>>98491257
Give'r bud. Its a bit gay you're asking.

>>98490171
read the books, fag

>>98491350
nou

>>98491110
wait r u a yuro

>I showed you my dmg pls respond
>>98491415
No.

>>98491535
>says "mum"
>D/M/Y
hmm

>>98491570
>he doesn't d/m/y
Sucks to suck.
You never had a DMG did you?

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>>98491598
Of course I do, probably my favorite RPG book :)

>>98491598
okay, yurofag

>>98491654
Nice.
I am tempted to commit shirk and write artifact qualities into the blanks on mine. Its not likely different versions are going to come up much.

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>>98491728
use those clear sticky notes. theyre very useful

>>98491766
Too civilized. I write in most of my other books as needed, something about this one stops me. Its worth getting over. Its not a mint copy or anything like that and it has a previous owner's notes in it anyway.

i really like when gary says "dice" as a verb, as is "dice (roll) on the following table"
so...quiant

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>>98491859

>>98491910
nta, holy shit i remember this post. did gary really invent this meme?

>>98491954
>did gary really invent this meme?
I don't think so, using dice as a verb is much older than that.

>>98490111
>It really sucks when your dice go cold.
In the words of Jerry Reed: when you're hot you're hot, and when you're not you're not.

>>98490111
>35 v 25
>rolls a 20 sided die for initiative

yeah, i think you're fudging a bit.

>>98492656
>rolls a 20 sided die for initiative
where did he say that?
>>98490111
ACKS?

>>98492664
If you're not rolling a 20 sided die for initiative, you aren't playing osr.

>>98492847
What if you're playing OD&D, with or without Chainmail?

>>98492847
retarded nonsense

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>>98492847
Work on your bait.

>>98491910
"Abhuman-Spook" gets me every time, kek

What are some ways to make OSE more like OD&D? The 3LBB intrigue me.

>>98493115
By playing odnd

>>98493115
>The 3LBB intrigue me.
What about them caught your interest?
Have you read them yet?
Do you like mass combat?

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>>98489068
Are you silly? I use this thing all the time. If a player fails his save against Fireball, do you think that his equipment doesn't have a chance of immolating?
I bet you don't even roll to see if your party's thrown pints of oil break on impact.

>>98493834
nta
I'm not rolling that for everything in someone's inventory let alone for everyone in the blast radius' inventory.
Nice little dood though.

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>>98493923
Thanks. He was my first attempt at FDM minis. I think he turned out well enough. Here's the mini I use for my friend's Druid, who has become quite the force in this campaign, equipped with Boots of Levitation and Staff of the Serpent.

Fwiw, I don't think it's practical to roll for every item every time, but I will roll for certain items that could be especially prone to damage in the situation at hand, or if they are holding something particularly valuable or fragile.

Unrelated: is there anywhere I could get my hands on a collection of the OD&D LBBs and supplements in an easily printed collection like with the B/X Omnibus? I stapled my own A5 booklet for Chainmail, but don't have the others.

>>98493923
It's only for magic items, and only for those who die from the fireball.
Ffs why are people so afraid of just playing the game?

>KLOWN's second ever post was a pedo post

https://archive.4plebs.org/_/search/username/kindly%20little/order/asc/
In a shocking turn of events, the above poster is obsessed, retarded, and lying to boot.

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>>98494804
in common vocab, what is a "molester"?

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>>98494811
Holy fucking schizo

>>98494839
answer the question. what does a "molester" mean to most people?

>>98494002
>Unrelated: is there anywhere I could get my hands on a collection of the OD&D LBBs and supplements in an easily printed collection like with the B/X Omnibus?
There used to be a Lulu link floating around in the archives to a 3LBB omnibus you could print at cost; it was about $4 a pop. Unfortunately Lulu changed its CMS or something so that all URLs were changed and I have no idea how to find it in the new format, as it was unlisted and couldn't be searched. If you can figure out how to convert the URL though, post the new one ITT. We tried to post it as little as possible to avoid it getting taken down, but in a case like that it would be justified.

>klown stalker confirms that he is legitimately mentally ill

>>98494758
>>98494811
>this retard STILL has a bug up his ass about KLOWN for some reason
kys, KLOWN was great.

>>98494925
>>98494923
so what does a "molester" mean? why dodge the question?

>>98494970
Because you're asking the wrong question, you lunatic.

How about this question: "where is the word 'molestor' found in the post that KLOWN made? And where are the words 'I,' 'am,' and 'a' that you seem to believe are in front of it?"

>>98494994
>"where is the word 'molestor' found in the post that KLOWN made
>"""Morley...Lester"""... teehee! ;)))
>And where are the words 'I,' 'am,' and 'a'
no one said that.

what does a "molester" mean in common parlance?

So... Someone using a two-handed sword can't use it even inside a 10-ft square?
I guess that means it's basically only for outdoor use

>TQ
Can't pinpoint a single one, but they all keep the game interesting and make sure that I as a referee also don't know what will happen next.

Anyways, it's ya boi the B/X newfag with some questions regarding our next session (#40)
Once again the players will participate in a battle involving ~120 lawful dwarves and halflings on their side vs. ~250 chaotic dwarves including some goblin riders and young dragons.
I've tried a few mass combat rules over the course of the campaign and came to find that certain systems work best for specific scales applied. At that scale I'm torn between using Chainmail vs. just doing the 10:1 scale.
Which one would you FAGs prefer?

And while pondering this, I've also wondered:
What do you think about B/X combat RAW with the small change that instead of having both sides resolve their whole round in initiative order, they take turns each phase of the round kinda like in many mass combat rules?

Thanks for your continuous support to make me a proper Old-School FAG and sorry for the retarded ESL vibes in my posts, it's my autistic German mind trying to butcher English sentences.

>>98495140
>Which one would you FAGs prefer
Sup, FAG. Brutal scaling (10:1) is okay, remember that not all battles are en masse. It's okay to have 10 squads of 25, with 4 in the center, and two on each flank, over a very large area. The PCs will be fighting their own "encounter", and you should let them pick which part of the map they want to start the battle in.

You can play the whole thing out in abstract, but let the party zoom in to their level

>>98495001
Are you actually retarded? It's a joke about "more" and "less", same as how Mike Mornard called his M-U character Lessnard.

I'd like to run old D&D, but I get writers block trying to make a dungeon, and then start guessing myself. How do you guys go about making something? Am I just thinking about it too hard?

>>98492664
>ACKS?
Yes sir

>>98494811
Hey fishfag, we've found another schizo for you to play with.

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>>98495571
>Am I just thinking about it too hard?
This is probably it. Don't second-guess yourself too much, remind yourself that not everything must be original or finely-tuned, and you can just throw things in because they're fun.

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>>98494811
>Kindly
>trademarK
>thinK
By the power of my schizo senses, I have determined that in his second post evar, KLOWN is also secretly telling me he's a member of the Ku Klux Klan!

>>98494811
>The name is Hugh Mungus
>HUGHMUNGUS WOT-
>RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE, RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAPE
This is how you sound to normal people.
Please correct it for the sake of the rest of us.

>>98495351
Don't even give him that anon. Just tell him to fuck off (retard) because edgy jokes are amusing and as far as edgy humour goes 'Tee-hee, Morris Lester :D' is dad-joke tier.

>>98494921
I'll see if I can't hunt it down. Thank you.

>>98494811
Literal mental illness.

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>>98495571
>making dungeon
>find map that catches my eye, fits rough themes
>add a few loops and entrances as needed
>2-3 line description of dungeon with origin and tone
>key all rooms with simple appendix A
>roll all monsters
>roll all treasure
>roll all other items
>look at total, see what sticks out
>add a few tables that fit themes
>start writing 1-2 sentence descriptions
>let sit for a few days
>come back start adding connections details, factions, wandering monster tables, modify as needed
There's a really good pdf in the OP about dungeon design.
All Dead Generations has an extensive series of blog posts on dungeon design if you want to continue overthinking it for fun.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lk_5gNe0oSs
is good too.

>>98496634
Beat me to it. GFC is a fantastic resource for this sort of thing. I miss his content and hope he is doing well

>>98495571
Perfect is the enemy of good. You should just jump in.
One thing I would recommend is becoming familiar with dungeon exploration procedure before your first session. Do a little solo play to rehearse tracking things like time, torches and wandering monsters.

>>98496673
>Perfect is the enemy of good.
This is really the best advice.

Anon, just get stuck in there. You can always go back and revise shit later.

>>98496673
Their hex crawl video was very helpful. Did they ever have a blog or just youtube?

>>98499742
GFC is just one person. No, he doesn't have a blog.

Running the black sword hack for rpg novices. Anyone have good adventures to run along with tips for making actually cool enemies to fight, or ways to convert existing bestiaries over to the BSH? And ways ti balance player made inventions

>>98485032
>"Learn the game before you start homebrewing" was never a controversial opinion before

Homebrewing is literally the point of all RPGs and especially the old ones. "Learning the game" is overrated since a good DM will change literally every aspect of the game anyway. This has always been so. People who use any material without altering it have no imagination.

>>98489068
Who the fuck would EVER use something like this lmao
You need to find out if an item broke because of a random acid breath or whatever? "DM decides" is all you need. Or just flip a coin. Absolute retardation having a table for it.

>>98500584
Imagine getting mad about resources being included in your dungeonmastering guide, kek

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Working on a dungeon which is a secret church of law that's under attack by Chaos. Does anyone have good resources on Chrisitanity in the roman persecution period, or other literally underground historical religions?

>>98500505
I think after years of fucking about, taking the time to slow down, read and play the game as written for a bit before messing with it tends to reveal a lot more than you'd think. The ones who are changing a lot before playing it or otherwise not understanding what they're changing tend to be full of themselves like you are and the changes they make tend to be bad.
Post your home brew.

>>98500773
I'm not mad. I think it's funny and stupid, and ultimately a complete waste of space.
Lots of oldschool RPGs had the problem of trying to have a chart for everything, and all those charts would wind up just being distractions sincer any DM worth his salt would just make up a ruling on the fly and move on.

>>98500584
I like it. Not going to use it all the time, I'm tempted to see if I could crunch the numbers to 1:6 instead of saves because for some reason saves for inanimate objects doesn't work as well for my autism and somewhat conflicts with the idea that saves are about the source rather than the receiver.
It was a good example of a shortcut
>oh hey this would be cool for a material scarce game with breaking primitive weapons
>oh wait that would be mostly annoying after a short time

Knowing the odds of something breaking creates faster and deeper play.

>>98500879
>Does anyone have good resources on Chrisitanity in the roman persecution period, or other literally underground historical religions?
Ooof, where to even begin? Yes, there are tons of good resources on this including lives of saints etc. (for D&D purposes, the stories of miracles and such are sometimes even more useful than straight history) and the works of Eusebius of Caesarea. There isn't just one one easy book to rec though; ultimately it really depends on what kind of source you prefer, e.g. the novel Quo Vadis is a classic treatment of the period in fiction, and there are absolute shit-tons of pop history books about early Roman Christianity.

>>98500894
I agree totally but I'm pretty sure you're replying to a troll.

>>98500493
Wrong thread, friend. Ask /nusrg/

>>98501077
>but I'm pretty sure you're replying to a troll.
Maybe, a bunch of people got into OSR via the artsy creative indie game side so that's their primary interest. Most of that has moved on as they're generally fad chasing and the creative ttrpg scene is a barrel scraping contest on itch.io at this point, but they might have a point if their homebrew is anygood or at least interesting to look at.
If I'm being charitable I think a lot of people on the
>just make everything up its what eveyone does anyway
miss going through the steps as being important for informing rulings. They probably read rules as kids, got some of it wrong and played figuring it out and adding as they went, which is good, but miss that other people coming in asking questions haven't done that yet so talking about rules, tables and resources helps those people get to a better capacity to improvise.
People ready to get mad as fuck at the drop of a hat too which doesn't help even if I see how we got here.

>>98502290
>People ready to get mad as fuck at the drop of a hat too which doesn't help even if I see how we got here.
Once again totally agreed.

One of my players was recently rewarded with a custom helmet with a Cobra motif. I would like to give it a minor magical effect, but haven't decided on anything. Any suggestions?

>>98504782
Spit poison? 20' range, causes blindness and 1 round of stun in the target on a failed saving throw. Limit once per day, maybe also per two or three player levels?

>>98500584
You're a genuine dumb fuck. Read the DMG.

>>98504782
Hypnotism eyes, acid spit, speak/control serpents, polymorph into snake, sticks to snakes, etc

I'm super bored woth my campaign rn. I ran ravenloft but players are spending waaay too much time there, they are scared to do shit, I wanna just push them towards the conclusion and move them somewhere completely new for a fresh start. Whether with new characters if they die to strahd or not. But they've been avoiding ravenloft like the plague, convinced there is some hidden solution to get out of the mist or som hidden secret hack to weaken strahd. They basically ignored the card reading and we've just been stuck doing nothing for a few sessions. Any ideas how I can do this?

>>98505559
Solution: stop playing Ravenloft and play a good setting that's actually fun, where your players can do stuff without bumping into the various railroad barriers and deadly shit that TSR built into that mess

SotB anon here - I'm starting to muck around with solo play. Just spent way too long building a spreadsheet so I can have 6 B/X PCs at a glance, and then longer still to fiddle with ability scores & buy gear.

I figured running a party though Stonehell might be an interesting & entertaining way of restocking the dungeon and keeping the setting alive in my mind while the game is on hiatus.

I was finally ready to start playing, but then I wasn't sure how exactly to proceed. Could anyone reccomend a useful set of dice oracle/tables that might cover different situations?
Any other advice for soloing?

>>98505559
>they are scared to do shit
I'm running a game that has been like that for some time but now we are approaching a conclusion
I'd be happy to continue the discussion in the Open OSR thread >>98486939
as you can see Ravenloft isn't exactly liked by the regulars of this thread

>>98505559
>I deliberately ran a literal Hickman plot module and now I am mad
>How could this be happening to me?!

>>98506407
original Ravenloft isn't really a "plot module" unless you are going to call The Village of Hommlet a "plot module" as well

>>98505559
>They are scared to do shit,
Have any of them died yet? This is a problem with a lot of players new to osr play. Starting people at higher level if they haven't done this sort of thing before tends to carry over a lot of bad habits and perceptions of characters as irreplaceable.
That being said, the entire concept of horror modules is retarded if you want interaction and player agency. Horror is the opposite of that and you've gotten what you ordered. Scrap it and start over.

>>98506580
And yet, and yet—

>>98506936
>That being said, the entire concept of horror modules is retarded if you want interaction and player agency. Horror is the opposite of that
This
>>98505559
Your players are trying to escape Ravenloft. They are basically telling you they want to play something else. You should talk to them about it.

>set out on our adventure to cleanse the evil temple and slay a dragon
>much time spent wargaming the encounter and preparing equipment and strategy
>random encounter
>2 big fat guys at the local water source
>really big and fat, large size creature fat
>tense conversation, we have 32 men, 6 spirits of the dead(manes) and 8 wardogs but they are obviously looking for an excuse to fight
>paladin decides to sense evil
>they have the red glow
>a fight starts
>fatties are immune to non magical damage and can mind control as an action
>another player is dooming hard because he knows what these are
>9 HD....wtf?
>fortunately magical damage is a thing we can do even if most of our numbers are useless
>have to stop the party barbarian from cleaving through the backline by face tanking his axe and having enough HP to not go down to a 14 point hit
>fatties turn out to have bad AC so after taking some aoe from a pair of mages get beat down by the magic weapon having frontliners and manes.
>grateful that things went ok and only one henchmen went down we determine that not only are these two fatties worth 2k xp each but they also can have their blood and skin collected as magical components for just as much gold
>so we turn around and right back to town to sell the bits before they go bad and collect xp and a random henchmen levels up

It is wild that in theory those guys are a harder fight than the dragon we were going to slay and 8000 xp for an afternoon's work is nuts.

>>98508253
>another player is dooming hard because he knows what these are
Did you figure it out? I'm curious what these are

>>98508253
May I ask how this combat was run mechanically with such a contingent against two individual creatures?

>>98508774
Devil Boars, they are similar but different to lycanthropes in that they reproduce by mind controlling you to eat your family.
>>98508973
There were basically 3 initiative steps, before the enemy, the enemy after the enemy and we sorted out the order amongst ourselves. Personally I just delayed all my guys until after all the spells were cast.

I want to include scantly clad barbarian men and women to my games, but I don't want to step away from just using the four traditional classes. Do I have to just let Barbarians be fighters with leather/no armor and Really bulky thieves? Or is there some other alternative that allows for two different subsets of fighter warriors?

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>>98510171
You can just describe chain mail armour as chain bikini or a coif that still displays rippling abs.
Change plate mail to panoply and you're set.
You can reskin the armour how ever you'd like.
Or do you mean you want to add some sort of barbarian rage thing?

>>98510191
>add some sort of barbarian rage thing?
Nope. Your solution is great, actually.
I don't really like Rage. I think it's sort of gay. A barbarian rages whenever he battles, not as some stupid activated ability that triggers like a special attack.
The only issue I see with reskinning armor is that I do also want full plate to be a thing...

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>>98510171
Mail and leather equivalents

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>>98510211
Could just call them
>light
>medium
>heavy
and describe the detail more depending on context. Or could go AD&D, swap Splint/Banded for Panoply and keep Plate.

>>98510228
This is great! I keep a little folder where I write my rulings so that they can stay consistent over the course of my campaign. So I'm definitely stealing these and writing them in there. Thanks! It's really obvious, now that you mention it.

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>>98510240
They also have this fun rule

>>98510249
Neat, what's this from?

>>98510252
ACKS

>>98510259
Based.

>>98510249
That's really cool. My game already has seduction and sex mechanics, so this plays right into that. ACKS is so cool.

>>98510285
When I think about it, ACKS also has good rules for the other thing that I want to prep for as well, (Which is domain-level play.)

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>>98505960
I like a lot of the solo play stuff from a game called Kal-Arath. Worth taking a look at it for some of the Oracle tables alone. It's also a neat little system but outside of the scope of this thread. You could ask Grok to make rulings or narrate stuff for you. I've had fun having Grok run B/X adventures for me.

A good basic oracle system is using two dice of different color, one for Yes and one for No. Roll them together, higher score wins and the difference between the two indicates the degree of your answer, ranging from things like "Yes, and..." to "No, but..."

I have a question about henchmen. So, I can basically have between 2 and 7 henchmen per character, depending on my Charisma. What happens if I have my current maximum and then something happens in-game where I acquire another one?

For example: Early on, I hire a couple dudes to follow me into dungeons and slowly over time their loyalty to me raises and they get a level or two. Later on I find more henchmen through questing and hiring people that have similar goals to me and over time their loyalty also grows to a point where I don't really have to worry about my henchmen running away from reasonable challenges...
Well, what happens then if I rescue a trapped warrior from a cage in an orc's lair, and he would be willing to work as a sellsword for me? Do I just not get any more guys?

>>98510488
I would treat him as a special case and allow you to go over your normal limit. You'd be unable to recruit anyone until you either gained charisma somehow or lost a couple of henchmen.

I might pick out your lowest loyalty henchman once a month and have him roll morale to see if he decides to bugger off due to being crowded out, but I'd give him, say, a +2 on it as long as he's still being paid and treated well.

>>98510488
I should say that by the book, your DM should not have the guy offer to become a henchman if you're already at your limit. But if he does anyway, for whatever reasons, then see above.

>>98510488
>Well, what happens then if I rescue a trapped warrior from a cage in an orc's lair, and he would be willing to work as a sellsword for me?
He would be willing to work for you *except* he's put off by the size of your existing retinue. (Personally, I would rule that you couldn't even hire him if you fired an existing henchman, since treating your men thus cavalierly is a bad sign to prospective recruits. Trying would certainly also damage the loyalty of the existing henchmen.)

>>98510396
>Hey Sven, where should we put these lizardman bodies?
>Oh I don't know, maybe that altar I guess.
>The evil one? In the temple of theirs?
>Yeah, should be fine.

>>98510488
>Do I just not get any more guys?
This. You have to make a choice as a player who your character is putting effort into managing.
The rescue or the swapped out henchman might stick around town or stay in contact, might be able to hire them as a hireling for less hand on duty and get ahold of them later, but having a henchman is like having an apprentice. There's a lot of communication, time, resources, trust and effort put into it so the charisma limits are a good representation of how capable of that sort of soft skills the character is. After a certain point everyone tops out on that.
>>98511525
>Personally, I would rule that you couldn't even hire him if you fired an existing henchman, since treating your men thus cavalierly is a bad sign to prospective recruits. Trying would certainly also damage the loyalty of the existing henchmen.
This is a good call. Might be worth it sometimes but the henchman you allow the privilege to seek other employment opportunities becoming their own free agent, perhaps starting a rival adventuring group, etc. are all reasonable things that can follow from player actions and make the game world more interesting.

>>98509873
>A pig like monster with sharp tusks that is roughly the size of a wagon. Native to Kraedorion
>anon is in an ainime wifu mass battle osr campaign
livin' the dream

>>98510488
Are you retarded? What do you think maximum means?
>>98512023
Dumb fuck
>>98510564
>Special case
Fuck off

>>98512832
Hi firedamage!

>>98512048
>>98511525
>>98510564
This whole business of henchmen and hirelings has me wondering, are there any regulations or limitations on the number of wives and concubines you can have in a harem?
If I wanted to implement such a rule, what should it be?

>>98512915
That's not me either. You seriously want your own new fishfag, huh? It's getting really cringe at his point, cut it out.
Go hit up the open osr not-a-general if you really need a shitposting dopamine fix so bad.

>>98513048
Concubines with personal loyalty count toward your total of henchmen. Concubines who would excape the seraglio if they had the chance count as hirelings. Blackamoor eunuchs with huge scimitars keeping the concubines in and men out count as soldiers on hazard pay.

>>98513056
Retard.

>>98513064
Read the books, anon!

>>98513048
Seems like a domain play feature

>>98513061
>Concubines with personal loyalty count toward your total of henchmen
Why? They're not going into dungeons or whatever.

>>98513048
As barer/porter standard hirelings, for every 10 you need a lacky/valet aka body servant similar to needing a serjeant.
>>98513066
Just did. You on the other hand did fuck all.
Retard.

>>98513095
>You on the other hand did fuck all.
Sure, anon, keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better!

>>98513112
nou

>>98483580
>What's your favorite random table?
Weapon speed factor. It makes the entirety of the segment-round combat system work in 1e. >>98483704
>Wandering Monster tables on a 2d6 curve have served me well
And this.

>>98513121
Tell myself what? To read the books? Thanks, don't mind if I do!

>>98513090
Because it's funnier.
I guess you could use the same CHA-derived figure for the total limit but keep a separate tally, if you want.

>>98513258
Fair enough. A separate tally seems like a fine idea, too.

>>98513048
Wives, concubines and harem slaves per default are treated as normal hirelings and do not count against the henchmen limit, having a variable base morale score depending on their status. Their monthly upkeep isn't solely influenced by their level but also their social status, education and upbringing: You can imagine noblewomen being quite fiddly in the sense that they need to be provided far more than a lowly barmaid sidechick.

The instances where I would count them against henchmen limit is if the player decides to make it so, either by taking them to dungeons, giving them active part of a domain's governance or appointing them as commanders.

>>98513048
>If I wanted to implement such a rule, what should it be?
Simply use the Judges Guild "Women" rules.

>>98513136
I appreciate your dedication to reading, discussion and gameplay, thanks for making the board a better place!

>>98512915
Idk who that is or why you think I'm him, but calling an idiot, an idiot, isn't exactly uncommon.

>>98513090
A henchman doesn't have to go into the dungeon with you.
A henchman is however willing to do so.
Being a henchman means an implicit high level of trust and autonomy to follow both the letter and the spirit of your orders.
Hiring a henchman just to stay at home and handle your affairs, while you pay them much more than they would make working such a job normally, is not an unusual thing

>>98514216
Nta but in the context of the discussion, is a wife per default therefore a henchwoman? While I understand your point IMO in order for a wife (or more) to apply they need to be substantially involved in the character's affairs: Ruling the castle/state, doing ventures, even commanding troops.

>>98514216
>A henchman doesn't have to go into the dungeon with you.
I never said they did! (Hence "or whatever") The point that my question was getting at was "what are your waifus doing that means you need to treat them as hired henchmen?" A henchman is more than just an NPC who lays around your house and maybe you bang them one in a while. That's more akin to a retainer.

It's all moot now anyway, the guy I was asking about it already cleared up his thinking on the matter.

>>98514416
One of them is your head of household running your affairs while you are off adventuring, as I said.
That includes wrangling the rest of the harem.
The fighter Lord in my current campaign hired a henchman who rarely goes adventuring with us, she is almost exclusively just there to be a loyal and competent captain of our army

>>98514263
Should have included you in my reply, please see my post above. Hope this clears any confusion and that I did not come across like an asshole

>>98514424
>One of them is your head of household running your affairs while you are off adventuring, as I said.
She's not really a concubine anymore at that point IMO

>>98514449
Please provide the definition of a concubine and how it contradicts what I said.

>>98514570
Bitches for Thulsa Doom, ie not a wife, and without the social and legal powers that a wife commands.

>>98514424
Yeah that makes sense and aligns with what I said earlier: To be a henchwoman a wife or concubine needs a substantial stake on household governance. Sidechicks could be generally treated as hirelings or retainers, and I like that other anon's idea of each requiring specialized staff like maidservants (tho that IMO should just be included in the monthly upkeep).
>>98514655
I don't think the actual legal status is important at all but rather what the bitch in question does. They could legally be a concubine and yet have the mechanical weight of a true henchman.

>>98514741
>I don't think the actual legal status is important at all but rather what the bitch in question does. They could legally be a concubine and yet have the mechanical weight of a true henchman.
Sure, I'm just saying a concubine that does that is not really staying in her lane. She'd be exceptional, not what you'd expect. At that point you should probably marry her so her kids stand to inherit.

>>98514769
Yeah but that's ultimately on the player's hands. At best what you can do is for the concubine in question to start pressing the PC to be made an actual wife/henchwoman, with appropiate morale penalties for not being treated according to her station.

>>98514785
In the end, I think it all comes down to what the player asks the NPC to do. If it feels like henchman (-woman) duty, then you treat it as a recruitment attempt, subject to negotiations and CHA limitations and stuff.

>>98514655
Your arbitrary and retarded headcanon is irrelevant lmao. I'm not sure why you are so put off by the concept of having a henchman that you fuck that takes care of your household and doesn't go adventuring?

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>>98514870
>is that a healthy on-topic discussion?
>no way!
>time to lower the level of discourse to dumb shitposts and >implying!

>>98514884
I could say the exact same thing, since when I said that the concept of having a concubine henchman that ran your household, was something you couldn't handle.

Get over yourself

>>98514884
>>98515080
Come on you two, enough. We had a very nice day so far and there's no need to make a fuss or accuse one another over concubines. That's (perhaps appropiately) very womanly.

>>98515098
We had a nice discussion about it, I don't know why that guy's salty and >implying shit

>>98515107
You told me that I was wrong that a concubine could be a henchman who ran your household. I asked you to give a definition that contradicted this, and instead you just babbled about a movie that you like.

>>98513374
This is very sound advice. Thank you.

>>98513123
>What's your favorite random table?
>Weapon speed factor
?????
Weapon speed factor isn't a random table, Anon!

>>98513123
>>98513123
Weapon speed factor is literally only relevant when you are tied for initiative, and it's not even a table, it's an entry on the weapons table itself.

I think you might be a retarded nogames

>>98513056
>You seriously want your own new fishfag
I can say with absolute confidence and from personal experience, no one wants their own personal fishfag experience.

>>98513048
Whatever happens don't forget to include mass combat rules.
It's not really an Arabian nights game until you've lost 20% casualties to a cat fight in the harem.

Any opinions on White Box FMAG? I was looking through the PDF and it seemed kinda neat.

>>98521040
This anon reads his Lettres Persanes!

>>98521095
It is pretty neat, probably the best direct LBB OD&D clone. No real reason to use it over actual OD&D or 7VoZ, though.

>>98521105
7VoZ?

>>98521250
Seven Voyages of Zylarthen is an LBB retroclone-with-a-guy's-house-rules. It's notable for the house rules being good. (I kept wanting to say it's "in the vein of LotFP" but that makes it sound like it's metalhead horror; it's not even close. It's similar to LotFP in the sense of actually being very close to the source rules but making a few carefully considered changes to good effect.)

>>98512182
Idk were the anime waifus are, if you know tell me, but the campaign is fun.

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>looks at blogroll for first time in a while
Horryshit Hill Cantons is posting again.
>looks inside
>finno korean hyperborean image posting
Neat. Stuff is far more gonzo than I tend to do but glad they're back at it.

>>98521281
I would say SVoZ and LotFP both diverge heavily enough from their games of origin to be more than "a few carefully considered changes". They're both good games, and they're recognizable as extensive mods on their original games. However, SVoZ moves pretty far from LBB in the same way that LotFP moves pretty far from B/X.

>>98522223
Sure, that's fair. Ultimately it's a subjective assessment how far is "far". My sense is that both are pretty modest in terms of the actual mechanical changes they make, and neither really alters the fundamental gameplay loop. (LotFP modules are another matter, although many of those also rely on the assumed gameplay loop for a sort of ludic irony.)

>>98499884
He does but it hasn't been updated in 5 years.

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>OSRfags will look you dead in the eye and say that this is fun

>>98522938
NTAYRT
>My sense is that both are pretty modest in terms of the actual mechanical changes they make,
I like LotFP but I think the Fighter being the only class to get attack progression is notable enough its a significant change. Some of that is because attack progression in B/X is in general flat but everyone getting the bonus can make for a different enough approach to combat its worth noting. That's before we get into LOTFP module play intentions compared to a more standard dungeon crawl.
Skill system feels nice. Its enough of a change again, worth noting but I think overall positive, but has little to no impact on the gameplay loop or style other than making it easier to do. Unless you're full FKR disembodied voice behind the filing cabinet.

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>>98523373
Works as a wizard. I'd make it a ditzy sorceress.
Ohoho~

>>98523373
>Fat but jovial wizard, not great at their art but good to work for
Be the face and the teamster. Or drop your Cha by 4 to get better +2 Int and be a better magic user but have less panache.
I tend to let players pick 1 stat to reroll but they have to take the reroll regardless of what it is.

>>98523373
CHA is the most important stat

>>98523624
This man slays.

>>98523373
In ACKS that is a playable Venturer and also in OSR games the bonuses and penalties would be smaller. They would be
-1
-2
0
0
-1
+1
Yeah low stats suck but as a venturer you were never going to kill anything anyway.

>>98524046
>also in OSR games the bonuses and penalties would be smaller
Good point actually, don't know how I missed that. (Not the anon who posted the statline to be clear)

>>98524046
Pardon my ignorance, is ACKS considered OSR?

>>98524792
It's a modified and extended B/X that keeps all the core gameplay mechanics and largely just expands on the Basic line's undeveloped domain-level endgame, so yes.

>>98524046
As a Venturer you're able to just pay dudes to do the killing for you while you kick back, count coins and eat grapes in the background.


>>98524792
100%

>>98494811
>>98495001
Top kek.
For your sake Anon I hope you're having a laugh. Elsewise, that's grounds to be institutionalised.

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NVNTIO VOBIS GAVDIVM MAGNVM: HABEBIMVS LIBRVM MELANIS

Melan's Gamemaster’s Guidelines: Announcement and Preview

https://beyondfomalhaut.blogspot.com/2026/08/news-gamemasters-guidelines.html

>>98526082
Aw, shit yeah!

>>98526082
YES! I was so waiting for this.

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>>98526082
Only skimmed the preview but the overlay of a Melan diagram on a dungeon map is curious.
I don't exactly need another dmg but might get this one.
The explanations and tone so far seem all together far too reasonable.

>>98526082
>Melan gets delayed for a year crafting this book
>still managed to announce it, write it and publish it during the wait for the LotFP Referee Book

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>>98526268
We are never going to see that one. It would be a funny thing to survey lotfp fans and see how many started after it was announced. They likely don't even know. Its been 13 years. Memory holed.

Melan might still be fucked, depending on what happens with PPWR and small businesses.

>>98526251
>the overlay of a Melan diagram on a dungeon map is curious
What's confusing you about it? Maybe we can explain it. (If it's the upper right, I can already tell you that the loop there is reduced to that right-angle bend because the diagram is supposed to be as linearly simple as possible, not just follow the layout exactly.)

>>98526288
>It would be a funny thing to survey lotfp fans and see how many started after it was announced. They likely don't even know. Its been 13 years.
Kek, good point.

>Melan might still be fucked, depending on what happens with PPWR and small businesses.
Eh, I think he'll be fine. He's Hungarian, Eastern Europeans have lots of experience with disregarding onerous bureaucracy to get shit done.

>>98526569
Not confusing, just doesn't note a few divergent dead ends like room 11, 23/24, 29, 32. It would probably look quite messy if they did. The diagram still gets across the overall layout.

>>98526762
>just doesn't note a few divergent dead ends
Oh, yeah, Melan diagrams don't do that, they're just supposed to indicate the points of meaningful choice of directions. That way, taken together those points show the structure of the dungeon as an environment of play.

>>98525513
In practice I am a lantern bearer with a big shield during a fight but it is honest work and the group likes having my 6 henchmen.

>>98525800
klown is a known creep, mald more

>>98526082
Hell yeah. Damn excited about this one.

>>98527745
Your schizo tea-leaf reading routine doesn't rise to a "known" anything. Seek professional help.

>>98526082
For bringing me this good news, I will tolerate your bad Latin, this once. Looking forward to getting this!

>>98529586
Pretty sure the Latin is correct

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>>98526082
>In such cases, it is
appropriate to place some kind of warning sign to
indicate this – for example, someone who unsus-
pectingly tries to search a chamber containing nu-
merous bone fragments should not be surprised
when a 16-ton stone block falls on him.
kek going to be some gems in this one
art's good too

>>98523373
No, this is when we call you a crybaby.

>>98522197
Reading blogs is my favourite part of the OSR.

I haven't ever played an edition before 3.5, I just admire the philosophy.

>>98535501
>I haven't ever played an edition before 3.5
Well, get in there, anon! The Gygax/Arneson era of D&D is great!

>>98535501
I can understand that. It's strange but neither 3.x nor 5e seem to produce the same quality of third- or often even first-party content even though both are much bigger scenes. I just reread
>https://themansegaming.blogspot.com/2018/10/50-terrible-knowledges.html
and I sincerely think it's better, more gameable content than anything in Curse of Strahd, despite just being a really weird, niche table.

>>98532374
Why did this get deleted?

>>98536237
I guess jannies thought the first "that's not an osrg statblock" post was trolling or something, and just pruned the whole reply chain? Seems a bit much

>>98536239
Better than them just leaving shitposts around tb h. Way too harsh moderation is worse than way too lax, but a little bit too harsh is better than a little bit too forgiving.

>>98536267
Its just talking about stat blocks. They must have had actually no idea what they were looking at.
Two of fish's not!generals got deleted too.

Have considered how much effect having a more contemporary stat bonus distribution could offset some of the fairly common concern about power levels. I don't think its a big deal but a more generous bonus setup could help players feel better because noomber.

>>98536351
>a more contemporary stat bonus distribution could offset some of the fairly common concern about power levels
It's the other way around, too large bonuses exacerbate power level issues. In 3e for example you can easily end up with a party where some members are completely fucked because they didn't know how to opt their scores or rolled bad.

>>98536944
I wasn't thinking of the distance between PCs power level, which is an interesting point. I've noticed that be more of a problem the more I use roll-under-stat so I try and not do that so much.
I more meant having there be an easier way to get +1 for the extra hit, damage and hp that are not an uncommon note about low level osr play. I don't think its much of a problem personally but I do think having that extra something helps players out psychologically.
The main problem is
>12-14+1
>15-16+2
>17-18+3
is not as pleasing but
>12-13+1
>14-15+2
>15-17+3
>18+4
is over-correcting or making a +4 for something that's already quite good.

>>98537779
Well, maybe it's a matter of taste. For my part, I prefer the LBB style. 15+ score nets a bonus of +1. +1 is basically the most you get out of any single level (+2 every other level technically), so having the difference between an average and top-tier stat correspond to four levels feels iffy to me now that I'm accustomed to OD&D.

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I think gargoyles should be lawful creatures, the guardians of temples and holy places against the forces of chaos.

>>98533267
Lmao these dumbfucks deleted my post where I called them out.
How are you going to issue me a 30-day ban, for a post that was almost 3 weeks old?

And then you get butthurt and delete the post calling it out, and issue me a "warning" for it?

Eat shit

>>98538047
Have them be oriented around a series of commands and directives given to them by whoever made them.
3 rules for fairly simple gargoyles they have to obey in order of priority, although clever ones made by a chaotic will try and distort or twist the wording where as lawful ones will obey perhaps to their own detriment.
>Protect the altar at all costs.
>Allow bearers of the True Sign safe use.
>Clean up after yourselves.

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>>98537779
>I've noticed that be more of a problem the more I use roll-under-stat so I try and not do that so much.
Roll-under makes stats matter more than 3.5 does. 17 strength is not supposed to be 75% of 18 strength. It was a midwit duct tape fix that Moldvay would have thought better of including if he knew dimwits would use it more than once every couple of sessions.