UB Domination EditionPrevious: >>98490462>Newshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-banned-and-restricted-february-9-2026https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-february-9-2026>Current Banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Bracket Informationhttps://files.catbox.moe/4tbvzw.pnghttps://files.catbox.moe/r62yfy.png>Former Commander Website: Learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Card Searchhttps://scryfall.com>Card Statistics: See what everyone else puts in their Commander decks based on what is posted to the Internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Deck List Sites: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.com>Manabase Information: Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Proxy Guidehttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Have you built any cat decks or a deck that you unironically have a commander as a waifu (proxies welcome)?
what the fuck is going on?
>>98494279Out of print
>>98494279SELLSELLSELL
>>98494256Is she worth playing FF14 for?
>>98494284are you dumb?
>>98494279>super special limited print runWhat did you expect? We've seen it how many times, now?
>>98494290sure i guess if you really like herbtw her black outfit in mtg is in shadowbringers, the 3rd expansion pack
>>98494297what happened, it was 100$ like 2 weeks ago and nothing new happened wtf
>>98494256>TQ>cat deckNot yet, but I do intend to build Ygra around going infinite with cauldron familiar.>waifuAlso no, but I did once have a sex dream about my first commander which made me look at the deck differently. Unfortunately I don't think it was in character for her.
>TQNah, unless there's a cute gril proxy for a commander I already like, like Sarkhan Soul Aflame or Zurgo and Ojutai.Kind of do want to build a waifu deck though.
>>98494290She turbo jobs through the first like 160 hours of the game, accidentally kills the group leader and almost dies twice, but she has some really good scenes in the third and forth expac. Start in limsa if you actually want to see her before you've been playing for twenty hours
Why are people so upset she is number 1 commander now? She is widely available, fits in Esper which is fairly unexplored and can be used for a lot of different deck types.
>>98494256>TQ I built Azula solely because I find her sexy
>>98494395I started as a Conjurer but good to know about her being the main protagonist if you start in pirate city, mine where the potato and the autism one
>>98494411>She is widely available, fits in Esper which is fairly unexplored and can be used for a lot of different deck types.That's why anon, she's good therefore she's bad
>>98494413>disappointed that the only version of Azula I could actually play (ie. within the colors I use) was a garbage screencap>well, at least she's showing some midriff>get the foil version because why not>the foil treatment is so bad you can barely see the art
>>98494411What's a way to build her deck that isn't already done? I think that is my problem, there's like 4 fuckers at my LGS with this deck
>>98494432If they had just let the video play another second or two before they took the screencap it would have made for a great foil.
>>98494256There are a couple other women but they're really unattractive.
>>98494437>>98494432I wish it was better than 480p
>>98494449Forgive me, it's late.
>>98494433All 3 mana rocks and some X spells.All lifegain cards. Any value from her is incidental.Cat tribal.
>>98494327Radha does has a gock.
brewing OG ghalta so not even the most saltiest of edhtroon can mald at my deck
>>98494256>TQI want to fuck this pinhead ass angel and I don't know why since she's not usually my type
>>98494488She might have many sights to show you.
>>98494437It doesn't really matter which frame they use when it's all low quality.
>>98494256(TQ)No, but I really should pick up a Garfield and Odie just to have a Pet Tribal deck
>>98494256I keep trying to make Jaxis work because I like her character design moreso than what she actually does, but I can never figure out how to elevate it from a bracket 2 gimmick deck into something that can punch its way into bracket 3
>>98494488Hellraiser UB when?
>>98494256>commander as waifu proxySure do.
>>98494256TQ: No. I considered building a deck for a husbando but it would be too pricy and I don't like equipment much.
>that player at the LGS who seems to take it as a personal insult you exist
>>98494663i just stop going and visit another shop when i feel that's happening, done it only once
>>98494411I find her boring, she just helms as valueslop in the CZ, not even any kind of interesting build around, just is good overall in a good color combo that goes very well with all the goodstuff cards
>>98494411Overpowered, ugly, from a trans-centric UB, Do Thing Draw Card
>>98494433voltron, landfall, lifegain, reanimator
>>98494433>I want to be a special snowflake and unique with the most popular commander on edhrecHow about you just stop being a faggot?
>>98494734I've seen voltron yshtola
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
Would anyone play it?
>>98494772>Green card>Rewards noncreature spellsTry again
>>98494411>Esper which is fairly unexploredWhat the hell are you talking about?
>>98494777It's gruul and red does reward non creature spells.
>>98494433wait for more outlaw support
>>98494777>ramp and fight spells
>>98494787>villains aren't outlaws
>>98494791Villain wasn't a type in 2024.
>>98494786So you're saying it should be a mono red card.
>>98494795Yes. Just like how all of the nephilim should be mono color.
>>98494795No because monored can't have Vigilance
>>98494800I could get behind this. Mono colored cards that have lots of colored pips look cool.>>98494814Touché.
>>98494789So you're saying white should get Rishkar's Expertise because it has creatures.
>>98494772kinda funny that you could almost pass klothys in the role if only you could fix the draw
>>98494256might build this next
>>98494862which secret lair is this
>>98494864Secret Lair: Custom cards.
>>98494862give Saba Cumulative Upkeep - Put a stun counter on her i feel bad for all the members over the years
>>98494663literally never happened to me. Are you trans by any chance?
>>98494880just autistic
>>98494862>Hexproof>Draw cards for doing nothingReally couldn't spare brain power for a better design, huh?
Never stop building dogshit tribal decks.
>>98494929cute
>>98494929I've been having a lot of fun with Kuja Wizards.>throw down blasters>cast draw spells to cast draw spells to cast draw spells>everyone is dead
>>98495000xhe cute
>>98495000i don't know how to use that card
>>98495050https://moxfield.com/search/cards?q=o%3A%220%2F1%20black%20wizard%20creature%20token%22&advanced=play these
>>98495058would my two Gandalfs from The Hobbit set work there?
>>98495062Yeah. And this guy.
braaaaap
>>98494411No one is upset. Anyone with half a brain knows edhrec means literally nothing. >She's the most hypothetical commanderWoo.
>>98495139it's 100% astroturfed
>>98494411I don't get it, either. She's not even some sort of unique build-around Commander with huge impact at the table, just a nice alround value Commander for any Esper Deck like Oloro or many others. If anything she's a bit boring, but the same can be said about literally all of those top 25 NPC commanders.
>>98494411UW chuds malding that reality is slowly hitting them and they're going to eventually run out of coping mechanisms (UB is much more popular than in-universe MtG)
>>98495149its just oloro, the og king, with at least a way to progress the game *eventually*
>>98494411Cause it's a gooner card
>>98495179Why are none of the other top 10 gooner cards if being a gooner card is enough to make it to #1? The next one down is Azula at 12.
Do people unironically still give a shit about "Brackets" in this format? The entire concept is so flawed and retarded, as it's just a list of universally good cards when looked at by themselves.Can't play a tutor without my deck being bracket 4 or whatever, meanwhile stoneforge miystic is a-ok even though it does more for equip-reliant decks than any other tutor does for any deck, meanwhile you can also play a bracket 1 deck that chains 6 extra turns into each other and comes packed with half a dozen infinite combos.
>>98495244>meanwhile you can also play a bracket 1 deck that chains 6 extra turns into each otherNigger failed to even read the bracket rules before criticizing them.
>>98495249Still fucking retarded. Still doesn't even address the fact that synergy cards can have much more impact on the game than any "problematic" Power Staple when put in a list that can profit heavily off them.
>>98495244I only care about brackets in that it gives me hope that they’ll unban some cards and put them on the game changer list instead.
>>98495278Your zesty elf is staying banned. Stay mad, nerd
is voltron bracket 4 or what
>>98495286Depends on what you're voltronning and how fast you're voltronning it.There's no single archetype in any bracket except that bracket 5 is obviously turbo combo.
>>98495284It just doesn't make an ounce of sense to me. For example, a control deck lives off having the right response in your hand if you're not looking to get steamrolled by whatever turbo-aggressive niggerfaggot synergy deck the opponent is running. Tutor effects are pretty much mandatory just so you even get to see lategame without solely relying on RNG.
>>98495300Well guess what, both you and the "turbo-aggressive niggerfaggot synergy" are probably playing in bracket 4 together in that case. There's no single card that says you're in a bracket, the construction of your deck and the speed at which it seeks victory over all does.Gamechangers are just exemplars of this philosophy. You can make bracket 5 decks without a single gamechanger and you can make a deck stuffed full of gamechangers that ends up bracket 1 because it's not able to use them correctly.But again: exercise some fucking judgment. You know what you're doing when you make the deck. You're not a monkey, so stop pretending to misunderstand.
>>98495308But that's not the case when you can build certain archetypes that are "technically bracket 1" but are constructed in a way that clearly pushes more towards a high power build with dense consistency and low mana curve. Just remove the problematic no-no cards and you're good.
>>98495327You're not a monkey, so stop pretending to misunderstand. It is not a lawyer contract. You know what you're doing when you make the deck.
>>98495330The system is retarded and the rules read like they have been shat out by a bunch of mentally challenged gradeschoolers during lunch break. Instead of 2-card combos I can simply pack my deck with an infinite number of easily attainable 3-card-combos, call my deck Bracket 1 and then go on to stomp a bunch of precon shitters while everyone claps.
>>98495359>I don't need RNG I just need to make 3 card combos in 100 card singleton without tutorswelcome to retardation
>>98495359>the rulesMhmmmmmm. Have you considered that the bracket system isn't intended to be hard rules, but guidelines to ease games against random people by giving a broad, general framework to work within?
>>98495282I don't give a shit about elves.
>>98495401Maybe they should make some rules, and better ones while they're at it, instead of giving lying pieces of shit an excuse to call their decks what they aren't.
imagine tying your identity to whether a marketing campaign for a corporation is effective or not. imagine fighting other people about it, or acting like their achievements are yours.oh wait I just realized you "people" are probably bots or at least responding to manufactured bot engagement.
>>98495179>depicting a woman is now enough to be a gooner card
if yshtola would've been lore acurate it would've been 2 damage to random opponent since she's blind and mana isn't aether
>>98495380There's tons of cards that let you tutor specific combo pieces without being in the le heggin epic list of problematic """GAME CHANGERS"""" Just make sure all your cards are in that grey area, instead of picking the slightly more efficient option that would instantly put your deck in bracket 3+.
>guy rocks up to table>on Oloro>expect some lifegain shenanigans>mf goes and drops Humility into Greater Auramancy pillowforting it up while I presume he digs for his AetherfluxThis kinda dude is just archenemy on sight huh
>>98495441Go ahead and try it. You'll find out how much that efficiency matters.
>>98495446Transmute spells work fine for b2 where people arent supposed to combo off until t9
>>98495300>It just doesn't make an ounce of sense to meMaybe that's because you're a fucking retard that didn't even read them before going "DAE what the fuck I can't run Demonic Tutor in my people looking left tribal!?!?">>98495308You're wrong on the second point. Gamechangers are banned or limited in lower brackets. That's a concrete rule. The catch is that for most of them, there's some lesser-power alternative that a deci could run in its place instead.
Should I go with reaper king or ur dragon for a changeling deck? Reaper King gets more flavor points because the deck would run a whole heap of lorwyn/shadowmoor cards but ur dragon would make the deck run much smoother, I imagine.
>>98495510>Concrete rule>I have ancient tomb in my EoE precon because I cracked one the same day I bought it, that cool with everyone?>Yeah sure.>Concrete rules.They are not rules. They are guidelines for rule 0 discussion so everyone is on the same page.If they ever sanction commander, they might become concrete rules, but they aren't right now.
>>98495518ur-dragon more like ur-FAGon because its a card for homos. do reaper king.
>The Ur-Dragon is a massive, endgame boss in Dragon's Dogma found in the Everfall. It features two distinct modes: an Offline version with a fixed health bar for solo play, and an Online community raid boss mode where players worldwide share damage progress to defeat it for top-tier weapons and masks
>>98495521>Me and my friends agreed to break the rules. Therefore the rules don't exist!I've had some dude one time rule up with an acorn card and everyone let him. Doesn't mean the card isn't banned, just that we were changing our game to accompany him.Sidenote: this general has progressively gotten more retarded over the years with retards like you becoming way too common.
>>98494411How much do I loathe thee? Let me count some ways:>gooner bait>esper shit>dimir shit>azorius shit>blue>do thing draw card>blue>azorius>blue
>>98495510>its ok to run a token creature deck that shits out a 300 damage board by turn 3 as its technically still bracket 1 or 2>meanwhile its not ok to tutor a boardwipe to even still be in the game after they swing at you oncelmao
>>98495625Retard
>>98495642That's not even the official one.
>>98495284By that argument you don't need the bracket system if you just use judgement anyway.Anyway I can't wrap my head around it either; commandersalt says my Ardbert deck is a B1 but everyone kills him on sight because you have to. My Lord of Riots deck is B4 because it has tutors and MLD, but it always fizzles out. I kinda liked the power level system better but even then.
>>98495651It's a graphic someone made of the changes from this article https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025The rules and text within it are the official guidelines, even if the pic itself isn't from WotC.The one you just posted is outdated.
>>98495651>bracket 1>few tutors>no game changers>tfw all tutors are also categorized as gamechangers aside from the more specific ones that make shit like azorius voltron pop off turn 2
>>98495680It's starting to sound like you're just too much of a newfag to handle someone at your table kicking your ass with a Voltron deck and want to frame that as anything but a "you problem."
>>98495701nta but maybe some people are spiritually yiddish with no self-control and they want every unfair advantage possible in what's supposed to be a more fun and casual format.
>>98495716That's going to be true if brackets are there or not, so what's the point?
>>98495586>I didn't read the article that explicitly states they a guidelines and not rules.Yeah, you're part of the reason this general is getting more and more retarded. People can't read then complain about the shit they didn't read.
>>98495680>>tfw all tutors are also categorized as gamechangers aside from the more specific onesWtf are you talking about?
>>98495680Terramorphic expanse is a tutor.Tutor doesn't mean just the busted ones
>>98495701If that helps you cope, please continue deluding yourself.
>>98495680no? stoneforge mystic, steelshaper's gift, grim tutor, and so on
>>98495725What's the "thematic guideline" in running Ancient Tomb in a precon? The only exception the article lists is for exhibition bracket decks that want to have a consistent theme, so where's the theme in that? It's an exception that proves the rule.
>>98495741You came in here to cry "brackets don't work" because you can't beat a Stoneforge. Actual cope.
>>98495286A bracket 4 Voltron would be really neat to see considering how fucking tight you'd have to construct it to get a kill against a b4 deck while also avoiding getting 2v1 after killing one dude
>>98495723idk, it's just there as guidelines for people with convictions. without a way to force the system on lesser individuals there is no real point. I guess it's up to us to tell more people to fuck off and play someone else.
>>98495752>Once again missing the entire point because he doesn't understand the brackets are just a guideline for rule 0 discussions not rules.
It's amazing watching the general shift of all the magic the gathering related threads from anti-universes beyond to indifference to pro. And then Commander general, dick riding the rules committee has gotten a little bit out of hand. I remember when the brackets were first discussed everybody rightfully said it was the most retarded shit the faggot rules committee had ever come up with. And now here we are, people actually engaging with his bracket at nonsense, then to random anonymous posters defending shaky bans tooth and nail like their lives depended on it. The only thing that keeps this thread of 4chan is people will say nigger and faggot unabashedly. Other than that it might as well be r/edh
>>98495757That was actually just one of the 20 examples I gave where brackets don't make sense. I'm a bracket 4 player for the most part, none of this shit even really matters to me, I'm just bothered by the fact that people are pieces of shit when it comes to labelling their deck as what it is and give others a genuine idea of what to bring to the table. Cause it seems to happen quite frequently.
>>98495286I think you could in Boros colors.
>>98495792Most people who dislike the direction of the game quit at some point and then stop posting here because they have other shit to do.
>>98495797>I'm a bracket 4 playerOh that explains the raging autism
Brackets were created because bad deck builders kept getting their shit pushed in by people who have a concept of synergy. That's the only reason. Reddit posters kept crying about getting stomped
>>98495802You would have to be Jeskai at minimum imo to have answers in hand against combos, probably play hard pillowfort or stax light and only peek out to swing when you're confident you're not about to have your commander eat shit
>>98495792You must understand, this game loves sneaks and cowards. Because nerds are usually sneaks and cowards. It doesn't take a substack post to explain why they use every excuse in the book to call themselves bracket 3 players instead of being honest and up front about being cedh. Exceptions allowed, of course.
>>98495821lol watch out boys we've got a power gamer here
>>98495809I'm simply baffled by how people can take this balance system serious at all when a bracket 2 deck can mean anything from between "I just picked up a precon from the store shelf on a whim", and "My list has all the markings of a semi-cedh deckbuild, I just made some strategic cuts in the list to make sure I can still rightfully label it as bracket 2". It's a valid point of criticism, not sure why you refuse to get it.
>>98495825People love pubstomping You can bring out Winota with no GCs and shit on most B2 and even some B3 decks if they don't recognize the shit she can pull. And you're well within bracket outside of like...ending the game for someone before their turn 6-8.
>>98495843I wonder if a price limit would be more applicable. I tried to make a bracket 2 goblin "precon" for under $150 while my friend made his """bracket 2""" decks the way you described and costing between $500 and $1000. I got stomped a lot and it wasnt very fun.
>>98495797>none of this shit even really matters to meIf it did you wouldn't have made >>98495244. Nice damage control.
>>98495851*bad people love pubstomping. I sometimes job on purpose if my deck feels too strong because I prioritize group fun over the wins. it's a social game after all, not a tournament scenario like every other thing since zoomers got access to the internet
>>98495790No, on second thought, you're right.Anyway, sidenote: does anyone want to review my B1 Cabbage Merchant deck. It's Bracket 1 because it's just thematic around my favorite funny little guy from my favorite TV show, who goes all up and "my cabbages" all over the table. There's a few gamechangers, and it wins early, but brackets are guidelines and not rules, so clearly it can be played beside a "cowboy hat tribal" deck without any imbalance.https://mtgtop8.com/event?e=89371&d=878313&f=cEDH
Friendly, gentle reminder, run mind's eye.
>>98495821Or maybe they were created because people brought speed to a format originally designed around durdling battlecruisers and there needed to be at least some way to separate decks so some people could enjoy slower casual games, some people could do instant win combo faggotry and give pods a rough idea on what you are going to deal with at a table as a quick, sweeping generalization. Brackets are a fine tool to give you a rough concept in what power level everyone is using. I hate using my meme b2 miracle deck against a b4 deck and likewise I don't want to pub stomp with a proliferate infect Sultai deck against a guy that just wants to Voltron with Cloud. I really don't understand what the fuck is so confusing about rough guidelines for deck strength
>>98495792When you dislike something and it keeps happening anyway, sometimes you just move onto other things instead of sitting there raging impotently for all time. Those who are left in active discussion are generally those who don’t have a problem with the things that have been happening.
>>98495859I don't think that would work at all, since the main price point of expensive cards comes from them being good in a lot of lists, vs. niche cards that can feel just as broken in a list that can fully utilize them but can be picked up for a couple cents.And honestly, since netdecking is so prevalent these days, I don't even think a lot of people buying these lists out of ill will but simply because they get to do so while on the pot taking a shit versus actually investing time into the project.>>98495863ok but you still haven't managed a single argument against this other than repeatedly throwing the assumption of "lol ur shit at the game". Now that you've gotten your (you), please stop responding to my posts.
>>98495894You haven't made an argument that isn't "BUT STONEFORGE IS UNFAIR SINCE I CANT RUN DEMONIC TUTOR" so fuck off.
>>98495900Demonic Tutor lets you Tutor a card, Stoneforge Mystic lets you tutor a card while simultaneously acting as a cost reducer and putting a body on the field while somehow also being cheaper. Thereby, Stoneforge Mystic is better than Demonic Tutor in any Deck that would call for Equip Tutoring, and that's just an objective fact.
>>98494455Post decklist for Sephara, would like to see another's take on her.
>>98495894yeah youre probably right, I'm still a relative newfag at this game and it seems I picked the worst possible time to start. we thought commander was the casual format but theres no such thing as casual in a world where our competitive instincts have been highjacked away from something productive and redirected towards games where you play pretend with your friends.
>brackets don't work because I can be a bad actor>Laws don't work because I can rape.
>>98495923Stoneforge can't fetch anything besides equipment and needs to reveal what you fetch. Shut the fuck up you whiny faggot.
>>98495986>stoneforge can't fetch anything besides equipmentholy shit bro you cracked the case. the post explicitly says “in any deck that would call for Equip Tutoring”reading comprehension is apparently harder to tutor than an equipment, keep malding.
>>98495792>It's amazing watching the general shift of all the magic the gathering related threads from anti-universes beyond to indifference to pro.This never happened. The vast majority of players never gave a shit about UB one way or the other and just wanted to play the game.You're free to fuck off whenever you like demoralized poltard faggot.
I'm ambivalent on brackets. I build to them because WotC's word is god for most players, and they're at least "a" metric on power level vs. none. The Good>common vernacular for casual players>limits high-powered staples in brackets 3 and below, creates deck building decisions at b3 for your "power slots">segregates CEDH>segregates comboCons>b2 and b3 can play together for the most part, but assuming competent players the power gap between b3 and b4 is so sweaty it may as well be the gap between b2 and CEDH>asinine game-changer list, afraid of being "too big," and therefore misses random powerful cards that just get auto-included in the 99 (what the fuck is Deflecting Swat not doing on here?)>game changers as a concept are toxic to game design, enabling lazy regulation of the banned list on WotC's part; they can now just print strong cards that are bad for the format and put them on the list>Jewish Corporate "MLD" trick (redefining "Destruction" to "Denial" when historically Blood Moon/Back to Basics effects were considered a separate entity)And I'm sure a million more cons desu. But I do miss regular old EDH.
>>98496029> game changers as a concept are toxic to game design, enabling lazy regulation of the banned list on WotC's part;I disagree. Game changers as a concept provide a release valve for people who would otherwise complain about strong, but not game-breaking cards. There’s no world in which Rhystic Study is a truly banworthy card but Sphere of Resistance isn’t, and yet Rhystic had people brigading for it to be banned. By making it a game-changer, you can ensure that the whiners don’t have to see it too often while retaining its legality for others.>they can now just print strong cards that are bad for the format and put them on the listThat’s unironically good for game design. The game is at its best when it’s being designed for 60-card and EDH players pick and choose what works in the format. The more leeway WotC has to not consider EDH during the design process, the better.
>>98496018>"in any deck that would call for Equip Tutoring”That's as retarded as saying "Ashnod's Altar is better than Phyrexian Altar for decks that care about colorless mana!" That's not a statement on why Phyrexian Altar is supposedly weak, that's just a scenario where a specialized option fits more, and even then that's not a consistent argument because of that flexibility on D-Tutor's part. You can't fetch an immediate boardwipe or counterspell with Stoneforge. You can't fetch a Triumph of the Hordes with it. You can't fetch a Bolas's Citadel with it. You can't fetch most of your deck with it, and that flexibility is what makes D-Tutor so good.You actually are just whining that an equipment deck is kicking your ass. Run Edict effects. You can fetch a lot of them with D-Tutor.
>>98496058>I disagree. Game changers as a concept provide a release valve for people who would otherwise complain about strong, but not game-breaking cards. There’s no world in which Rhystic Study is a truly banworthy card but Sphere of Resistance isn’t, and yet Rhystic had people brigading for it to be banned. By making it a game-changer, you can ensure that the whiners don’t have to see it too often while retaining its legality for others.>thinks rhystic study SHOULDN'T be bannedBarring you not knowing what you're talking about, that's 100% part of the lazy design. Creating a safe space where people don't recognize how busted these cards are lets WotC just ignore the entire problem.>That’s unironically good for game design. The game is at its best when it’s being designed for 60-card and EDH players pick and choose what works in the format. The more leeway WotC has to not consider EDH during the design process, the better.WotC barely designs for 60-card. Standard is an afterthought. They're printing those pushed cards for commander anyway.
>>98495935Basically just weenie fliers, boardwipes, and anthems.https://manabox.app/decks/r6iiA81NRlm86lC9KdETGA
>>98496070>That's as retarded as arguing Ashnod's Altar is “better” than Phyrexian Altar because it makes colorless mana.no shit, that's literally what I said. I'm not arguing that stoneforge is a better general-purpose tutor than Demonic, I'm saying that if the thing you want to tutor is an equipment, Stoneforge gives you a 2-mana tutor that also leaves a body behind and discounts the card it fetchedThe Ashnod's Altar analogy actually proves my point: if a deck specifically wants colorless mana, Ashnod's Altar is the relevant comparison. If a deck specifically wants to tutor equip, stoneforge is the relevant comparison.Demonic might be the better all-purpose card, but it doesn't magically make stoneforge worse at the thing stoneforge is specifically designed to do
Did Miku ship yet?
>>98496098>I'm saying that if the thing you want to tutor is an equipmentAnd if it isn't, your whining is irrelevant. Please read the rest of the post and address the point of why that logic is stupid instead of agreeing the analogy is an analogy you jeetbrained retard.
>>98496112nta but you really want to win this internet argument, dont you?
>>98496130you're still argueing against something I didn't say. You're still arguing against something I didn't say.“Demonic Tutor is more flexible than Stoneforge” isn't a rebuttal. That's literally the defining difference between a generic tutor and a specialized tutor.If your entire point is “Demonic Tutor can tutor things Stoneforge can't,” then congratulations, you've successfully demonstrated that 1 card can tutor things another card can't. Fucking galaxy brain.
>>98496130>nta but(X)
>>98496136>>98496142okay but that still wasnt me, enjoy your (You)s and have fun fighting
>>98494777>Vigilance>lifegain>do thing draw cardAll sounds pretty green to me
>>98496136You are so painfully close to getting it...So tell me, retard, with that in mind, and remembering that the role of these cards is primarily to be tutors, which is better for 2 mana?
>>98496170Isn't anon moreso saying that control decks don't get to run tutors to fetch the things they need but equipment decks do? He didn't say anything about how powerful either card is in a vacuum.
>>98496170for a generic tutor? demonic.for equipment tutoring? stoneforge, obviously-you're desperately trying to turn “stoneforge is better at its specific job” into “stoneforge is a better tutor than demonic tutor,” which was never the claim.
>>98496187He's whining about gamechanger tutors, which is either going to be D-Tutor or Mystical Tutor.Grim Tutor, Scheming Symmetry, Cruel Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, Splinter's Technique, Diabolic Intent, Beseech the Queen are all playable, and if you're branching out in colors you have even more options.
>>98496193>>98495680
>>98496238You do realize that post doesn't contradict mine, right?
>>98496263You're very clearly whinig about tutors that enable "azorius voltron"
Quick question, would prepared spells active this?
>>98496277yeah
>>98496085Your playgroup is far more merciful than mine.https://manabox.app/decks/DjX0I2gzRFm1SpIz_pescQ
>>98496270No, I'm whining about the lazy, half-assed shit they have the gall to call balancing the format. The particularly stupid bracket interaction being that Demonic Tutor can get treated as a “game changer” even when it's functionally just “make my fair deck draw the card it was already built to play" while decks that are mostly looking to tutor specific card types still can search all the shit they'd need all day long
>>98496329>Demonic Tutor can get treated as a “game changer” even when it's functionally just “make my fair deck draw the card it was already built to play"Please, reread this part, and realize how stupid this sounds.
The most popular commander being a wincon draw engine Universes Beyond anime catgirl is such a perfect indictment of the average modern-day commander player I couldn't come up with a better #1 spot.
>>98496344Yes. That's literally what a tutor does.“demonic tutor makes your deck more consistent” is not the same thing as “demonic tutor makes your deck a game changer.”If your entire argument is that making a fair deck more consistent is inherently a game changer, then you're just defining “game changer” as “good card.”
>>98494279?
>>98496348What commander would you rather have at rank 1?
>>98496373I'd rather not have 500,000 precons of "this is the designated commander you should build around" legendaries, secondary-kun.
>>98496373Ur-Dragon is peak edh and the perfect no 1
>>98496382It's still insane to me that people are afraid of Ur Dragon. I sit down at the pod and some Timmy with a speech impediment reveals his five color dragon deck. The other two players grumble about how they'll have to focus him down. And while he curves into honest dragons they're shitting themselves over I'm over here assembling an entire engine.
>>98496312Probably, yeah. We're generally high 2, low 3. We find it more fun that way.
>>98496355Retard what card are you fetching that your deck is "built around" thatany one of the cards in >>98496226 can't be used in its place? The only reason to run Demonic over any of them is for the sake of running a higher power tutor, and at that point you've already crossed the threshold into trying to escalate the entire deck's power by making whatever piece you're fetching immediately accessible. There's absolutely nothing stopping you at that point from grabbing some degenerate combo piece because you very evidently don't have any restraint.And save the "but muh tutor for equipment! Muh voltron!" Voltron is not an archetype thay consistently wins games. There are several ways to deal with it. Aristocrat into a Gravepact. Living Death the field. Do something other than crying that you can't run one of the most busted cards in the entire game.
I don't mind brackets. Building to b3 has felt a lot less muddled, now that specific cards have been named for "hey, don't include a lot of these." I'll admit I ran a lot of staple slop in my decks prior to brackets. Admittedly they served as buttresses for decks that weren't particularly strong, but I was still jamming DT/VT in every black deck, Ancient Tomb and Mana Crypt in every deck ever, Chrome Mox where it fit, etcetera.B3 would almost be my ideal bracket, some power but not all. If they allowed people to run punishing stuff like Magus of the Moon and outright forbade 2-card combos, I think it'd be pretty much perfect.
>>98496396>There's absolutely nothing stopping you at that point from grabbing some degenerate combo pieceYea, except the entire concept of deckbuilding constraint. By that logic every tutor automatically means “I’m trying to play cEDH,” because technically I could tutor for Thoracle.That’s not an argument about the deck. That’s an argument about what cards exist in Magic.
>>98496444>except the entire concept of deckbuilding constraint.You're running Demonic Tutor. The notion of "deckbuilding constraint" is already a farce at that point.>By that logic every tutor automatically means “I’m trying to play cEDH,” No it isn't. There are a myriad of playable but not-as-good tutors you can run, and I even gave you several examples. The problem isn't the existence of tutors, the problem if you're here bitching and crying that you can't run the best one in the game without going up a bracket. I've already said both of these points, please address them instead of hoping I don't notice you omitting them, you dumbass.
>>98496392the problem is that the dragon tax is gone. dragons used to be overpriced by 2. now? look at Smaug the Magnificent.still just a low-mid bracket 3 deck unless you go full blown 5c best in slot cards
>>98496479>just look at Smaug the Magnificent>guy who makes a treasure on upkeepOh my science this is so powerful!
>>98496378Not sure where you picked up the idea that I'm a secondary, I just want to know what commanders you think have aspirational design qualities.
>>98496488my bad mr. rhystic study in every blue deck
>>98496488NTA, but...>Beatstick with haste and evasion that generates mana and has built-in free spot removalSeems pretty good.
>>98496477>“You ran the best tutor, therefore you’re escalating.”Yes, and running the best mana rock means I'm escalating toward having mana.The card's power level isn't the same thing as the deck's game plan, you absolute fucking goldfish.
>>98496501for 3 mana is clearly shit.
>>98496501It's just not exceptional in the scope of what players do in EDH.
>>98496507If any of your "I'm not escalating the power level, I pwoooomise" faggotry were honest, you wouldn't be crying this much and just run something like Spinter's Technique.This is a flaw in your argument that you keep ignoring.
>>98496514I think anon's point has that it's a fairly aggressive card that helps fill what used to be one of 5C dragons' weaknesses while also being cheap to cast and having other utility.Though I'd argue Baldur's Gate was worse for that dragonfag powercreep.
>>98496518That's not a flaw in my argument, it's the assumption you're trying to smuggle into it.“You could run a worse card” does not prove “running the better card makes the deck a Game Changer.”If Demonic Tutor finds my fair deck's normal gameplan, the fact that I could have made the deck objectively worse by playing Splinter's Technique is irrelevant to what the deck actually does.You're measuring willingness to optimize individual card choices, not the power level of the resulting deck. Those aren't the same fucking thing.
>>98496536>You're measuring willingness to optimize individual card choices, not the power level of the resulting deckHow do you think a deck becomes tuned you dense retard?
>>98496530Smaug is fine in Ur-Dragon, it's just not exceptional nor helpful in proving any point on anon's part. It's still 3 mana, and if the argument is playing him lets you curve into a bigger dragon you'd be better off having Nature's Lore'd the turn prior anyway.
>>98496420I too find the most fun building in bracket 3.Trying to figure the best power cards out of 3 to put in your deck and working around it is a lot more fun that just "Iet me just throw in all the power cards for my colors."
https://manabox.app/decks/AZ_sTuZ-fqqiqI5ObeAnLAAnyone have any fun cards in WUB that fit the game master/random casting theme? It's a B1/2 deck.
>>98496545There's only one card you can fetch with Nature's Lore that can block if you need to.
>>98496543By optimizing toward what, genius?A deck can be tuned to kill people more consistently without being tuned to assemble a turn-3 Thoracle line.“You chose the strongest card for the job” ≠ “you chose a higher-power gameplan.”Otherwise literally every optimized deck is Bracket 5 by definition.
>>98496573NTA but tutors are anti-fun, so you should at least be paying more for them. Just run other tutors instead or accept that you deck is bracket 3 for running the best ones.
>>98496553That being said I do think some GCs should be banned outright, and other cards should be moved onto the list to make the decisions a bit difficult. There's little argument NOT to run cards like The One Ring or Rhystic Study in your three bracket 3 slots. And some of the choices are stupid.>should I run Demonic Tutor, one of the best black cards to exist?>or should I run Opposition Agent?Not that it will ever happen but I would unironically ban Cyclonic Rift, The One Ring, Demonic Tutor, among a few other egregious no-brainer cards from the format. Then bump a couple things onto the list like Deflecting Swat, Sylvan Library, Mana Drain, Finale of Devastation, basically generic powerful things that you have 0 reason not to include if you own them.
>>98496573>A deck can be tuned to kill people more consistently without being tuned to assemble a turn-3 Thoracle line.Correct. That's why bracket 4 is different than bracket 5. But none of that explains how the actual process of tuning a deck works, faggot. You avoided actually answering this simple question for reasons unstated but obvious.>Otherwise literally every optimized deck is Bracket 5 by definition.Are you literally retarded? I'm genuinely asking.
>>98494411conventionally attractive catgirl is liking the wrong things, you should enjoy kinnan as ideal reddit mod representation
>>98496277Id it's Izzet slop you can almost always be sure the answer is "Yes".
>>98496563Nevermind, I filled it out with Clash cards.
>>98496596By putting better cards in it, obviously. The part you're hallucinating is that “better card” = “higher bracket.”You can optimize an Enchant deck to be better at Enchants. You can optimize tribal to be better at tribal. You can optimize your pile of garbage into a slightly more efficient pile of garbage.Tuning is optimization. Bracket is power level. They are not synonyms, you fucking toaster.
>>98496567That's a mark against Smaug. The best ramp is ramp that sticks.
>>98496604>antiubfags and redditfags literally think the same Nothing we didn't already know but goddamn this Yshtola malding has really outed how big of troonbrained retards the antiub antiwaifu posters really are.
>>98496626>stupid waifu fags think it's culture war bullshit and not their commander being boring gameplay
>>98496626anti-ub need to choose their battle better, fantasy magic staff wielding character is close enough when you have megatron and ironman around the corner
>>98496615>By putting better cards in it, obviouslySo we've come so far that you're finally piecing together that putting strong cards in a deck makes the deck stronger.>Tuning is optimization. Bracket is power level. They are not synonyms,Bracket four is literally labeled "Optimized" you retard. The more you optimize a deck, the stronger it is, and the higher the bracket it'll usually be.This is such a simple idea that you seem to be deep frying and flattening your brain over to justify running a Demonic Tutor over a Grim Tutor.
>>98496626I just prefer my waifus in the card game to be from the card game.
>>98496621True, but Smaug lets you interact with the table quickly, which is what I think he was getting at. Dragons used to be a late-game threat that could shit out a million bombs if they were allowed to get to that point and suffered getting a board set up early-game, but Wizards printed enough low-cost support that hole in their strategy is filled.Although, personally, I don't see why anon used Smaug as an example other than recency bias. Dragons got their own fucking Mox, which seems more egregious to me, and low-cost in-tribe fodder and utility creatures with Tarkir and the D&D shit.
>>98496626Time for the Azula bros to get her to the number 10 spot
>>98496626Y'shtola isn't even skimpily clad or anything of the sorts, but because an attractive woman is depicted, people are losing their mind.
Post cards that got better art when they were reprinted.
>>98494411She works in a ton of decks and is way, way less cancer than Ur-Dragon or Edgar, who are firmly placed into a single tribe.
>>98496642Yes, putting better cards in your deck makes it stronger.Holy shit, you've solved Magic.The question isn't whether Demonic Tutor is stronger than Grim Tutor. It obviously is. The question is whether that incremental increase in card quality actually makes the deck cross the bracket's power threshold.
>>98496729And the answer is YES, you fucking donkey, that is literally the general conclusion that Wizards and most other players have arrived at, how hard is it for you to understand?
>>98496744I understand your argument. I just think “card good deck stronger therefore bracket higher” is an aggressively stupid way to evaluate the actual deck.
>>98496650If she actually looked like at the chest you might have a point
>>98496729>Yes, putting better cards in your deck makes it stronger.>The question is whether that incremental increase in card quality actually makes the deck cross the bracket's power threshold.You came very close to answering your question with regards to the exact case you are asking about.
>>98496750You're also a profoundly retarded faggot, and literally nobody asked for your mental gymnastics opinion.
>>98496755As opposed to all the definitely canon art of final fantasy waifus
>>98496773 if your argument has finally degraded to “wizards says so, therefore shut up,” you don't actually have an argument left to make.
>>98496626>Haven't seen anyone respond to her becoming #1 with anything other than apathy>Lololol all the shrimp dick UWchuds are malding so hard right now
>>98496789>Ai slop>CanonRuse cruise/10
Glad how these turned out. Which one should I build? Golbez will work better with the cards I have, but Ancient One would be cool, too since I am aiming for something that's a little lower in terms of power level.
>>98496369based counterfeit player
>>98496792(1) "Wizards says so" is a valid response in the face of your arbitration and constant misunderstanding of the bracket system, because it's their fomat. You're doing the same thing as rolling up to a Modern tournament with a Reanimate in deck and going "guys I promise the rest of the deck is bad!" That's just not how it works.(2) Your argument is just a retarded version of the Sorites paradox. You're trying to argue that incremental changes on their own don't increase a deck's power level to the point of upgrading brackets, but you don't get at some point one of those increments actually does tip it over. Thankfully WotC put out a nice little list of cards that are so strong that they cross that line on their own, so that paradox is a non-issue here.(3) You keep jumping between "I neeeed this to answer Voltron" and "I neeeee this to get what my deck is built to do!" Clearly you do acknowledge and value the card's flexibility you're just disingenuous enough to pretend that it's one or the other at a given moment.(4) You yourself think Demonic Tutor is deck-warping enough that downgrading it would ruin your deck and make it unable to answer certain threats. Your own premise betrays what you think of the card's power amidst your constant downplay-whining.(5) You can upgrade your deck by compensating it in other areas without needing a gamechanger lynchpin. You never need a Demonic Tutor in bracket 2.This might be my last (you) I give you because you're stupid an arguing in circles at this point.
>>98496831That is the point, yes. Unless you meant to say that no fanart counts for how waifu a waifu is, which would be fair enough, but also there are still lots of waifus in mtg.
>>98496881cute
>>98496899>WotC explicitly decided Demonic Tutor is a Game Changer.Fine. That's a rules/design decision, not some profound proof that every deck running it is inherently higher-power.The rest is just “better cards make decks better” + “you could run Grim Tutor instead.”Yes. Grim Tutor is worse. Congratulations, you found the point of card evaluation.
>>98496968Yes, the GC system has its flaws. Congratulations.
That's literally my argument, yes.“The system says Demonic Tutor is a Game Changer” =/= “therefore Demonic Tutor makes every deck functionally Bracket 4.”I'm criticizing the categorization, not failing to understand it. You keep explaining the rule back to me like that somehow makes the rule correct.
>>98496980Nice. Your deck is still bracket 3.
>>98496980I think that's a pretty good point. Sheldon's vision for edh was using survival of the fittest to tutor for the worst creature anyone has ever seen. You can easily make shit decks with good cards.
he cute?
>>98496968Points (2)-(5), retard.
>Supposedly win majority of my games (I don't ) because am not a retard>People begin to target me every game>Have to up the power level of my favorite decks because of this>Become known as "that guy"Goddamn it.
>>98496980>therefore Demonic Tutor makes every deck functionally Bracket 4You want to know what I don't get? A single GC doesn't make a deck a bracket 4. A single gamechanger makes it a bracket 3. There's either other shit going on in your deck already that's pushed it into te edge of Bracket 3 without the Tutor that you're not telling the thread, that or you're placing way too much faith on the word of your group when they don't know what bracket 4 is. Which is it?
Brackets now and always will be more about vibes. How hard are you trying to actually win the game, that's all brackets are. A semi formal way to categorize your deck based on that criteria.
>>98496997Points 2–5: >“Demonic Tutor is good, therefore running it means you're escalating.”Yes, I understand the fucking syllogism.You keep proving the card is strong, not that the deck is doing something degenerate with it.>“But you could tutor for Thoracle” isn't deck analysis. It's card text.>>98497014That's fair, and “functionally Bracket 4” was overstating it.My actual point is that Demonic Tutor gets treated as a meaningful power-level signal regardless of what the deck is doing with it, while narrower tutors often don't.
>>98494777Green does fucking everything because of m-muh nature
>>98497010retard
>>98497026>>But you could tutor for Thoracle”Nobody made this argument you disingenuous faggot. Nobody. Nobody here except you is talking about Thoraccle.
>>98497022my bracket 2 deck is a bracket 4 to the guy I beat though
>>98497026The table can't know what you're doing with it if they're randoms, so all they have to go off of is that you're willing to play it in the first place to fetch who knows what else on the GC list. If your usual playgroup knows what you're getting with it and they're mistakening it for bracket 4, then clearly you're consistently doing something impactful with it.
>>98496684
>>98497040You literally said “you don't have any restraint” and “there's nothing stopping you from grabbing some degenerate combo piece.”But sure, I hallucinated the hypothetical combo piece you brought up.My mistake for reading the words you posted.
>>98497022Generally yes, but there are hard rules outside of bracket 1.
Y'shtola is a tricycle commander. She is training wheels for new players until you build your own big boy deck. She does everything so you have to do nothing. Effortless, frictionless gameplay for shitters.
>>98497066No one has argued otherwise.
>>98497055You can combo in bracket 4 without Thoraccle, dumbass.
>>98495000I am tempted to revisit Inalla and include Kuja and all of the black wizard token generator cards. It's a shame that the FF alt art of Inalla is an awkward screenshot of a CG video clip.
R8 and h8
>>98497073>You can combo without Thoraclewow, thanks for the Magic: The Gathering lore update.The deck still has to actually contain and use the combo.
>>98497079You wanna put it in a form that is better to critique?
>>98497089Nope lol
>do thing draw card>sub #100 on npcrecis there anything more slop
Magic: The Drawtheringthis is unironically how the game feels in 2026
>>98497094Double the thing is sloppier if you ask me.
>>98497102Yes and if you don't like you should leave or you are literally insane
>>98497102Is almost like card advantage and ramp are the most powerful things you can do to win
>>98497107>>98497109nah I'll just use my Cloud, Ex Soldier, with Gilgamesh, Buster Sword, and Aeter and Pyrwingo and win the game while you're left holding your mico dick with 10 cardswhat now little freak?
>>98497109retard
>>98497110Aetherspouts. What now voltard?
>>98497118i already got you with 45 commander damage babby first magic gametard
>>98497124How'd you get 45 commander damage before turn 3?
>>98497110sexy
>>98497156I look like and do this
>>98497079preddy cool, thoughts on mine?
>>98497156what the fuck is going on?
>>98497173enjoy your new house in 10 years
>>98497174reminder to thank yourwotc-associated ((influencers)) for aggressively marketing the hobby towards scalpers and investors
>>98497250you really think is because of that? lol
>>98496881Put the elder god in golbez. Golbez is fun as commander but useless in a 99.
>>98497254I don't really know, honestly, but MTG has been making waves with their UB output over the past year or so, and since Pokemon and One Piece are already scalped to hell and back, certain folks are naturally starting to look into alternative tcgs to branch out into and ruin. But maybe I'm just reading to much into it, just seems a little odd that you're expected to pay premium for a regular plebe booster of hobbit all of a sudden.
>>98497264prove it
>>98496226>Grim Tutor, Scheming Symmetry, Cruel Tutor, Diabolic Tutor, Splinter's Technique, Diabolic Intent, Beseech the Queen are all playableNTA but none of those are even close to playable. They are all too expensive and shitty to ever use in any format, even Homelands draft.The fair cost for Demonic Tutor is 2B and it's crazy that WotC hasn't printed that card (literally just DT, exact same effect, no limitation but one mana more).
>>98497282imo it's just Final Fantasy, somehow those cards keeps increasing in price while everything else stagnates the name is that fucking strong , I'm expecting their last spike to be after FF7Reveleations release
>>98496881I say Golbez, he's pretty fun
>>98497287
>>98497295>me buying FF booster boxes before those motherfuckers raise them to 600$ each bros this is suffering
>>98497295I think they hit the nail on the head with both, Tolkien and Final Fantasy, most of the other IPs they've done so far have been kind of meh or oversaturated as is. but I wonder what will happen when they release the Star Wars cards.
>>98497312i'm just imagining the Stars Wars set being exactly on par with the Star Trek set, and the shitstorm being so bad they have to stop making UB sets for one or two years.
>>98497319I'm sort of torn, on one hand Star Wars has both, huge mass appeal, and huge nostalgiabait potential, on the other it might just end up being another flop. I never really looked into Star Wars, but from what I can tell as an outsider, portions of the fanbase are severely autistic, just like with Tolkien and Harry Potter and Final Fantasy.
>>98497102>Experienced players got better at the game and WotC started making precon commanders that can let retards feel like they're doing something instead of bricking on 3 unplayable bombs
>>98497301Unplayable
What to do with sentry other than voltron and boardwipes? https://moxfield.com/decks/WaapTJQE0kmR43JOz31B7A
>>98497417Grouphug blink Mirror Gallery
>>98497408Agree, but because tutors all belong in b4+.
>>98497452>Cultivate is bracket 4 only Spicy
>>98497351Star Wars is going through brand exhaustion. The new movies made a bajillion dollars, but the characters in them are so bad that they're not using them for any extended universe shit, so as a result Disney keeps milking the memberberries of the first 6 movies to the point where audiences just don't care anymore.
>>98497459Nonland then
>>98497462Fair enough, you seem to know more than me. That being said, I'm holding on to Harry Potter being UB's next big thing.
>REEEEEE do thing draw commanders are ruining the game! They're slop! Sloppy slop slop for slop piggies! You are sloppers are not as big brained as I am!>anyways sit there for 10 minutes while I tutor up my combo pieces
>>98497301Excuse me, faggot, but anon clearly said 2B, not 1BB. Try harder!!!!
>>98497483>retarded false equivalenceOk I don't do either, what now faggot?
>>98497483i say this and look like this
>mfw ran this last game and just stole 3 lands from the table rather than their value engine commanders or key enchantments, not because it was useful, but because it was funnyI'M NUCLEARI'M WILD
>>98497644You forgot the image you goddamn dope.
>>98497644Forgot image because I was relishing my devilish nature too much
>>98497615Now you post your decks or the thread knows you're a lying bitch. Bitch.
>>98497483I'm okay with Do thing, draw card. Even if some time it is lazy.I'm not okay with do nothing ,draw card.
>>98497656>anon is so new to Magic he doesn't believe a deck can not be do thing, draw card AND not tutor for comboslol?
>>98497727Concession accepted.
My commanders don't even do the thing, much less draw a card.
>>98497743same...
>>98497743>cast Commander >Friend: "NO YOU WILL NOT GET TO DO THE THING!">don't get to do the thing
>>98497743My commander gets to do the thingThe thing being flash and my other creatures have haste
>>98495792The key is to simply not give a fuck about what fake fans that pretend there's such a thing as official rules think in the first place.
>>98495792>These things that didn't happen have made me angry.>Also, I lost an argument, so I will vague post in frothing seethe
How haven't they run out of words to make new cards with?
I don't know about you guys but I love Universe Beyond
>>98497831Kicker 2
My commander's thing is making sure other players don't do the thing with their commander, ever.
>>98497870Which ones are your favorite?
>>98497878I love this guy but apparently he sucks. I wanted to make a Hydra tribal deck but my friends and LGS employees all told me not to and instead add a bunch of lightning bolts.I stopped playing MTG for about 10 years after that.
>>98497879ATLA and FF
>>98497894What makes them your favorites?
>>98497883I built him on an extreme budget to prove a point to my faggot ass friend proxying a Voja deck, he does fine so long as I'm able to ramp then slap on one of my many protection spells. Being able to double fight all the time with any fight spell is scary and oppressive.
>>98497916go ahead, fight my creatures
>>98497916Nice. Post the decklist.I remember Vargos pairing very well with this sexy lady.
>>98497909Eh it's just most of my UB decks come from those sets. I built Azula and Toph for nefarious purposes and I just like FF
>>98497909anything loli
>>98497972Pretty based
>>98494831white should get shamanic revelation
>>98497894those are unironically less UB than LotR besides the art
>>98498039That's fine with me but I don't have a LOTR commander and they don't have lolis sooooo....yeah
Honorary UW:>LTR>FIN>TLADishonorary UB:>MKM>OTJ>DFT
Voltron may be bad, but it feels cool.
>>98497076Pulled a foil one at the prerelease and is the sole reason I don’t use it because of how bad it looks. Even worse is cards like Zidane Ragavan, Cloud Najeela, etc. use their promo artwork and Kuja has one as well so I’m baffled why that wasn’t used instead.
>>98498059What I find really funny about the MKM, OTJ and DFT is they basically looked at what Hearthstone was doing and then just copied it. Same thing also seemed to happen with EOE.>>98497295Still willing to bet the kidney I donated we get another FF set around 2028 or 2029. WotC and Squenix aren’t going to leave free money lying around for the taking.
>>98498122Most people don't know this, but Magic was always a game about copying what was popular and hoping people didn't notice. People will still tell you Innistrad was a coincidence after the Twilight novels became huge though.
>>98498147I thought it had more to do with Zombies being the current nerd zeitgeist
>>98498158Vampire werewolf plane surely a coincidence.
>>98498147While it had vampires and werewolves it has nothing else to do in the slightest with twight.Aesthetically, tonally, thematically, it was nothing like it. Twight like was a teenage girl fantasy and this was when magic still tried to appeal to boy and men.
>>98498068I honestly don't think Voltron is bad; it's just there are a lot of bad Voltron players.Here are some unsolicited tips:- Commander Damage wins games, but if you can only win a game to Commander Damage your deck is a joke to shut down. Have alternative targets to stack up and remember: dead is dead; if you gotta hit them with 40 damage, don't get all fussy.- Blowing your load early is the #1 way to lose games. Don't knock out the first player you can, or else you're just making the game easier for the two other players. Build protection and board presence and look for the right time to strike.- Extra combats and extra turns are your friends; sometimes you'll be able to set up a one-turn blowout, but more often than not your gameplan is going to revolve around going off when somebody else thinks its their win. Be in the final 3. Be in the final 2; then secure the win.- Politics is not just for politics decks. Small beaning won't ever work, but manage your threat profile. If you can slow play it and assemble lethal at the last possible moment, it's better than leaving shit on board to be knocked out.- If all else fails; adjust the deck. There is never a decklist that can't be improved or changed to suit your commander or style better; if you can't win games with it, blame the cards only when you've actually played the cards enough to know what they're doing for youPosting my wife.
>>98498059**Honorary IU>noneHonorary UB>MKM>OTJ>DFT>DSK (half of it anyways)>NEO
>>98498234This guy knows ball.
>browse thread>some retarded anon is angry about brackets again and why gavin didnt follow anon's inifinte wisdom on how things should be run>unironically plays b4 where he thinks it's a battlecruiser heaven when j can just stomp him with some ancient sharuum cedh decklist>is afraid of stoneforgeLol funny moron
>>98498234>Blowing your load early is the #1 way to lose games. Don't knock out the first player you canConversely: fuck that player.
>>98498234Based and fair advice. Voltron works best when people don't know you have a knife ready and you're playing just more defensive
>>98498234>Have alternative targets to stack upI love putting a bunch of equipments on Spikeshot Elder. Probably my favourite card from the whole scars of mirrodin block.
>>98498234mind posting your waifu decklist?
I've been tasked with building an Avatar deck for a new player. Who is an easy to pilot budget commander from Avatar?
>>98498476Maybe something like the Ally trigger doubling Katara? I think any ally heavy deck will be cheaper because all of the avatar ally cards are cheap.
>>98498476>Who is an easy to pilot budget commander from Avatar?
>>98498304J wouldn't do that, it's not hard boiled enough for his taste.
>>98498476I agree with >>98498478 she's probably the easiest commander out of the bunch that isn't total shite. That or Fire Lord Azula
>>98498465Only cause you asked nicely. https://archidekt.com/decks/4836920/your_life_ends_five_turns_from_now_balan_wandering_knightI haven't touched it in a few months so I haven't gotten to looking at any of the new cards available.Right now It's badly overloaded too, I need to make cuts to put back in some more land I think. Just got too excited throwing in a lot of toys.
I've been playing my lovely Edea in B2 games, but recently two people have said it is not actually bracket 2. I don't know what I am actually doing wrong. I I do is cast my Edea, then clone her and steal peoples creatures and attack, often I don't even attack the owners and I spread out my attacks. https://archidekt.com/decks/24465407/edea_is_cute
>>98498512Every bracket outside of cedh cries if there's "too much" interaction. That's just a consiquence of running an interaction-heavy deck.
>>98498512Does it kill people before the assigned turn limit?Does it use GC's?If not then it is bracket 2 objectively and you should accuse them of cheating.
>>98498526>Does it kill people before the assigned turn limit?Only if they power out some powerful creature>Does it use GC's?Zero.
https://moxfield.com/search/cards?q=o%3Aally%20t%3Alegend%20t%3Acreature%20ci%3E%3D2%20f%3Acommander&advanced=who did it best?
>>98498535Then it isn't B3 if it isn't regularly ending shit early. And if they are arguing it is then they are arguing against the rules. Might as well tell you that you have to skip your draw step every turn "Because"This is why I hate brackets
>>98498512This is the gayest shit I have ever seen. I pray that your commander gets countered by pyroblast on first cast in your next 100 games.
>>98498547>pyroblast >Bracket twoB4 is down the hall, chud.
>>98498512Your deck is bracket 2.If you want to make it look less daunting, take out sol ring, take out any extra co.bat cards, take out i finite drain combo, take out annihilator, take out Ragavan, take out roaming throne, and app your fetch, shock, and true dual lands especially. Replace them with card draw (and other duals).I can't see much complaining after that.
>>98498500thanks fren
>>98498554>take out i finite drain comboHuh? There's a combo in there? Which cards?
>>98498524>run interaction>your deck is mean WAAAH>run no interaction>your deck is too fast WAAHI'm sick of rando chucklefucks
>>98498512retards think the lower brackets where infinites and alt wincons are delayed mean every deck is somehow equal in strength but any system will have ways for people to squeeze advantage and make the best decks possible
>>98498565>rule zero guys, the game can go exactly as you want as you have a conversation about it>oh this must mean 'my' rule zero is 'everyone's' rule zero and they should read my mind and meet me where i am>they don't agree? well i'm just going to whine and whine until i get what i want!thanks sheldon
>>98498593My rule 0 is the right rule 0. Btw my rule 0 allows me to treat bloodmoon as a leyline in bracket 2.
My rule 0 says my opponents can't cast spells or activate abilities.
my rule zero is basically dead by daylight
>>98498693That you think you're playing the strong deck while the devs just keep making the weenies actually the powerful side and while you might win from time to time but mostly you're just ganged up on and beat to a pulp by a bunch of gaylords in retarded outfits?
>>98498512You have 2000 dollars of lands in a steal-sac deck that in goldfishing was threatening lethal turn 6 and, depending on what you steal, probably winning the game turn 7 rather consistently. I think it's pretty disingenuous to call it Bracket 2 even if it's probably not more than a solid 3.
>>98494777people like you are why card design fucking stagnated for so long before they started actually getting creative in order to sell UB
>>98498512>3 true duals and off color fetchesThere's no reason to be this much of a fag unless you're playing high 4s or CEDH. Stop being such a pathetic sweat.
>>98498743>>98498727My deck is built on my commander and I need to guarantee I can play her as close to 100% of the time on curve. So I will not be adjusting my mana base. I was not aware a good land base determined what bracket you were in.
>>98498727>depending on what you steal, probably winning the game turn 7 rather consistentlyso if he didn't get to steal them then the opponents would be winning the game turn 7 instead you dingus, theft decks are only as good as the decks they steal from
>>98494279New reserve list. I have a normal buster sword at least. Not sure what they're going to do about these cards as time goes on. At least they printed the shit out of them. Secret lair cards are going to go fucking crazy too in price. Hope you bought the Miku lair because that'll be worth a fuck ton of money.
>>98498757>I was not aware a good land base determined what bracket you were in.no it doesnt, but playing og duals does mean you're a proxytard, given that building a good manabase can easily be done in three color nowadays
>>98498757Cool.Do precons come with that level of mana base?No? You're not a 2, and you're just being a sweat.
>>98498729>Hmm yes why should the creature color be focused on creatures instead of being a burn color
>>98498765Were lands addressed in any way, shape or form at all in brackets outside of gamechangers?
>>98498773What makes a bracket 2 a bracket 2 was, "modern precons."I ask you once again, do modern precons come with land bases like that?No?Retarded proxytard sweat.
>>98498764>good manabase can easily be done in three color nowadaysShow me a three color mana base with no duals that can consistently drop a 3 color 5 mana commander turn 5 at the latest 90% of the time. (baring green of course)
>>98498763I'm just going to buy Final Fantasy cards only and may God punish everyone else.
>>98498778Where are land bases mentioned here? You getting beat by players is not because of their land bases. It's because you are autistic and people want to get out of the game with you as soon as they can.
>>98498785Once again, right here For the last time.Do average, modern precons have mana bases like that?No.Retarded.Proxy. Tard.Sweat.
What are the time frames for the /edhg/ schizos? When is anti-proxy schizo on? Rogsi schizo? Gay Bolos Schizo and his lover?
>>98498759This is strictly not true. A theft deck that is picking and choosing pieces from across the table is, at minimum, denying those pieces to other players at the table. To even take a vanilla 1/1 from across the table is to deny the player a blocker and provide you an attacker.Theft decks are broadly built to exploit the discrepancy in effect and in a multiplayer format you can be stealing the best creatures from the table and using them against the board least-equipped to handle them. Then thanks to the sac payoffs, you can have mana and cards to play a ludicrous post-combat board while still holding enough mana for counterspells and removal.I'm strongly inclined to believe the deck is a 3 and if it isn't playing 2000 dollars worth of lands in a 2 is kinda shitty behavior anyway.
>>98498799>Reference point. So that's the floor you retard, as in the very base level. Now show me where land basses are addressed at all?
>>98498512This is one of the weirdest land bases I've ever seen.
>>98498802The "sac outlet" part doesn't really apply to Edea, if a creature dies under the control of the Edea controller, then it returns to the battlefield under it's owners control. I will tell you what happens most of the time.>Steal creature, attack a random player>Creature returns to owner at eot or I sac it for value and it returns to owner>Opponent attacks me and I chump block it or throw my commander under the bus>or (more likely than not, opponent attacks someone else)The last game I played last night someone explicitly told me "there's no way your deck is bracket two, you have to have some gamechangers in there" >>98498819how so?
>>98498802>I'm strongly inclined to believe the deck is a 3it's a 2 you dingus, not only does it not have any GCs it doesn't even have an infinite of its own for fucks sake>but lower brackets mean everyone has to be the same power level and that pubstomping is not only impossible but illegal!incorrect, please never leave your timmy basement
Been a busy day for /edhg/, We've returned to our roots.
>>98498809Right here. What do you think a perfect mana base is?What would that word be?Gee. I don't fucking know.Nice attempt to move the goal posts though,The level of the average precon, will not have that mana base. Ever. Ergo, having that manabase instantly disqualifies it as a 2. You can cope all you want that they are "just lands" but if "just lands" are all that matters, you don't need that mana bases, all basics would do.You even said, in your own words, you "need it because I need to get my commander out as soon as possible"Which, is just more admission you're being a worthless sweat. You have 0 way to even imagine not sweating your ass off because god forbid, timmy with his shitty boros precon does better than you with his taplands.You're a faggot. Plain and simple. Just play at a 3 and stop being a dumb retard.
>>98498841he's a proxytard yes but if you think 'optimized' means og duals then you're just retarded
>>98498841>having that manabase instantly disqualifies it as a 2.Show me where that is stated. Where are land bases ever addressed. Show me one statement that says >Your manabase determines your bracket.
>Proxyfags have no selfcontrolThis isn't news. Why are you idiots even responding?
>>98498801The most obnoxious ntifurfag/antiproxyfag/antiubfag/poltard is either un/underemployed or European because I've noticed they post a lot between 12am-8am EST.
Oh, anti-proxy hours. I like this schizo the best.
>>98498841that edea deck is slow as fuck
>>98498841I will never ever give taplands a chance. Been burned too many times with >Man, I just need one mana to get out of this pickle>Draws taplandYeah, nope. The first thing every player needs to do is cut all tap lands. In fact, WOTC needs to quit making them at all.
>>98498825>how so?Because you have a couple of true duals and fetches including off color ones which is super sweaty, but then you have a shit ton of basics but none of the duals that will almost always come in untapped like Bond Lands or Slow Lands.
>>98498871What about all those times where you have a fetchland but nothing to cast this turn? In that case it's optimal to fetch into a Triome or Surveil Land...
>>98498875>a guy that doesn't know that battlebond lands are better for him than off-color fetches given that he has no use for lands in the gy is 'super sweaty'lmao
>>98498875No the fetchable triomes, or any triomes. Someone just told him "these are the best lands" so he put them in without any thought or reason.>>98498882An idiotic sweat, is still a sweat.
if your landbase doesn't cost a dollar total you're too sweaty
>>98498825The fact you give it back when you're done with it doesn't for a moment stop the dirty shit you get up to with it while you have it.Lets say Edea doesn't have any good targets and gets a fucking vanilla 1/1. Lets see what you can do with that:- Golden Throne says "Sorry, here you go, have your 1/1 back, I'll just take 3 mana and draw a card"- Szera says "My bad, have your 1/1 back, I'll get 1 mana and draw a card."- Rakdos says "Yeah okay, have your 1/1, now let me see the top card of your deck so I can cast it and also I'll draw a card."- Shadowheart says, "Oops, I didn't know it was yours, have it back and I'll draw two"- Kethek says, "Eh, okay have it back, I'm just going to find my Viscera Seer and draw a card."- Ayara says, "Take 1 and I'll heal one, have it back I don't even want it. Also I'm going to draw a card."- Industrial Advancement searches 1 and almost certainly whiffs, but you still draw a card.God forbid it be a token; cause then the opponent doesn't even get it back. There's no downside and this is the absolute floor of the effect. Multiple Edeas is multiple sacs and geometric draw from the sacs.Like it's a fun fucking deck, I like the idea of it and it does cool stuff, but sandbagging with it is weak shit. If it's not performing at a 3 table it's because you're jerking off with it on purpose to fuck over bracket 2s or you're just actively bad.
>>98498772>GREEN IS LE CREATURE COLOR>SO IT CAN NEVER DO ANYTHING REMOTELY INTERACTING WITH INSTANTS AND SORCERIES This is how you get stale boring repetitive fucking card design where every card follows ravnica guild design philosophy as if those colors were only allowed to do those specific things everOH WOW ANOTHER SELESNYA TOKENS DECK!?!?! PERHAPS EVEN WITH A +1/+1 COUNTER SUBTHEME???????OH WAIT YOU WOULDN- IS THAT THE OCCASIONAL ENCHANTRESS SUPPORT UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!!!!Proceed to repeat until the fucking heat death of the universe
man wtf i just use the basic lands I'm given for participating in pre-releases, am i playing magic wrong?
>>98497939Damn I did actually make sure to pack pic related in that deck but a ward cost like that is gonna fuck me over you're right.
>>98498891ignore this mofo edea anonLike it's a fun fucking deck, I like the idea of it and it does cool stuff, and sandbagging with it is awesome shit. fucking over randoms with their shitty bracket 2 piles is legitimate pvp behavior just as richard garfield intended mtg to be.
>>98498886>Someone just told him "these are the best lands" so he put them in without any thought or reason.This seems the most likely case. Like all those basics too and no Prismatic Vista? No Fabled Passage? No Reflecting Pool?
>>98498875>but then you have a shit ton of basicsYou never know when you'll run into non-basic hate or if I'll steal a creature that tutors basics>fetches including off color onesSo I always have the land I need when I need it? What if I draw one of those bond lands but I need the color they do not make? I'd rather have a fetch to find more. >triomesEnter tapped. I'd rather have a land that enters untapped. >>98498891I don't know what you mean. The deck is my opener deck for those games where people are "unsure" what their bracket is. It is my safe deck that has no GCs, No combo and can't win if I'm against a combo deck. I just steal creatures and attack.
>>98498905>No combo and can't win if I'm against a combo deckthis alone should tell you that the anon you're talking to is a filthy casual that can't handle a basic combo deck himself and will sperg accordingly
>>98498902>Reflecting PoolWhat happens if you have a 3 color deck but you only have 2 colors of land on the battlefield? Reflecting Pool doesn't fix your mana, just makes more of what you can already make.
>>98498902Why is this like $30?
>>98498905Then just proxy amulet of vigor you retard. Who care as this point. You gotta beat the precons. Those dastardly unmodified precons.
>>98498905I don't think "I run a theft-sac-engine with reserve list lands against players that don't know the game" is the kind of magnanimity you think it is. And that's before looking at the interaction package which is best described as pretty fucking evil.
>>98498892The color pie was never good to begin with and needs major revisions. Limiting essential game mechanics to specific colors is fucking retarded autist game design. Every color should be able to remove any card type, draw efficiently, counterspell, etc, but how they PAY to do it should be different. Sure Blue is the best at countering so they only pay mana, but Green should be able to counter saccing a creature or some shit in addition to mana, etc.Of course this is a pointless convo to have because after nearly 4 decades the color pie will obviously never be fixed and there's too many actual brainlets who'll defend it. These same people will of course then turn around and bitch about how it seems like every Commander needs to be three colors (to make up for the shitty color pie) that does thing and draws card without understanding why WotC has to keep releasing that garbage to try and patch up the myriad of flaws in the color pie design.
>>98498923>Make your landbase slow and feeble on the of chance you draw a single card.Just cheat at that point.
>>98498925>toxic deluge and blasphemous act are pretty fucking evil
>>98498905>You never know when you'll run into non-basic hateLike what? Blood Moon? Your deck is supposed to be bracket 2.
>>98498930protip: off-color fetches are when you needRRBBBUUBon demandyours clearly doesn't, just saying
>>98498892>Hmm yes clearly every color should be identical so that way there's no actual distinction between them. This will spice the game up! I can't wait for every color to be able to splash any mechanic it wants! It's just too hard when my monocolor deck has a drawback!
>>98498925>against players that don't know the gameWhat are talking about?>>98498935This is all the rage at my LGS.
>>98498944>This is all the rage at my LGS.finally someone using legitimate land hate as gavin intended
>I absolutely, positively, need a 4k dollar deck to even compete against precons. Please understand.One of the most pathetic things I've ever seen.
>>98498944>using the TOTALLY OKAY IN BRACKET 2 BECAUSE IT GIVES YOU BASICS AFTER BLOWING UP YOUR LAND BASE SO IT'S YOUR FAULT FOR NOT RUNNING MORE BASICS mld cardAh, that explains everything. Your LGS is full of sweaty angle shooting faggots. Got it.
So anyway, other than people sperging over the landbase (which doesn't determine your bracket btw), I appreciate the insight, especially the guy here >>98498727 who seemingly goldfished a bit (which is above and beyond what I expected). I might reduce the number of clones and bump the "big stupid creature count" higher.
>>98498959yes anon the real world is very mean that's why you should self-contain in your basement forever
>>98498960>he believed and caved to the timmieshey your loss anon
>>98498959>nooooo, you can't build a land base that is resilient against random non basic land hate you could encounter in the wild.
>>98498960>Besides all the people who put me in my place, uh. well, I will only take positive criticism, because I don't want to grow as a playerGo proxy a spine faggot.
>>98498934Well I know when I'm playing with players that don't know how to judge their deck bracket (IE: Fresh off the boat newbies) the first thing I teach them is how to deal with one mana counterspells.The second thing I do is run four different ways to duck their protection.
>>98498967>I will only take positive criticismThis, but unironically.
>>98498962>nerd card games is "the real world"If you feel so attacked by being called out for the angle shooting homo that you absolutely had to respond maybe it's time to think about growing a pair and playing competitive formats/high power brackets.
>>98498972jokes on you i do play cedh and i assure you that edea deck is as b2 as a b2 deck can be
>>98498978Oh, its the rog'sai larper. No wonder this deck sucks ass and he has such bad excuses for his actions. Don't know why you wanted to self-report so badly, but here we are.
>>98498969With how many cards give everything indestructible now, Toxic deluge, Blasphemous Edict and Winds of Abaddon are a must these days. Sadly, the number of "all your creatures phase out" bullshit is now on the rise.
>>98498972He was calling you out for being a little bitch over something as weak as Wave of Vitriol lmao.
>>98498727>winning the game t7 via combat damage? aaaiiiieeeeeyou are afraid of hoof and that already disqualifies your hot takes from having any value whatsoever
>>98498966Conditional mass land denial is still mass land denial, which isn't supposed to exist in bracket 2. Yes it's technically legal because WotC can't write rules for shit but it still exposes exactly what kind of a player you are. Sorry you hate being called out, try being less of a weasly little cock sucker.
>>98498982>absolutely assblasted over a cedh deck that is only bound to get stronger now that making jewlotus crypt and dockside GCs are on the tableopen wide imma thoracling your ass t2 and there's nothing you can do about it
I love Wave of Vitriol and wished more people ran it. Fuck Artifacts, Fuck Enchantments, Fuck your fancy lands. Creatures only.
Wait, are people actually arguing AGAINST having a good landbase? I always run as many fetches as possible, because you want to maximize your chances of getting your "good" lands.
>>98498994>Wait, are people actually arguing AGAINST having a good landbase?me? of course not. i just think he's a proxytard.
>>98498994No it's just 1-2 homos who outed themselves because they're stuck playing gay games in an extremely gay scene.
>Buying magic: the Gathering cards in the big '26People do this?
>>98499003>Buying magic: the Gathering cards in the big '26 so that poor people can play for freeYes.
>>98498987What kind of retard can't play Craterhoof before turn 7? I mean fuck bro, you can do it like six different ways just in green for 4 mana.
>>98498959if this is angle shooting i think angle shooting is good for the game
>>98499008now imagine that same guy crying that edea - once she has stolen the right creatures ofc - can threaten lethal combat damage on t7
>>98498994Did you even read the chain of posts?Having a 2k dollar mana base for a bracket 2 is just faggot behavior, and the proxytard just went full angleshooting nonsense because he needs to beat precons that badly.
>>98499013he could kill one, maybe TWO players!
>>98499019AAAAAIIIIIIEEEE GAVIN HELP
>>98499013That would make her Bracket 3 anon. Why is that so fucking offensive to you? Is the idea of a fair fight just that fucking scary?
>>98499030Clearly.
Edea anon, what do you do if no one has good creatures? Like their board is genuine dog shit full of mana dorks or something?
>>98494256>go play EDH at FLGS>my three opponent run Y'shtola, Night's Blessed>Get up, didn't even draw cards and tell them to find another player>Leave store
>>98499038They will. Why wouldn't they? If he's angleshooting, they must be angleshooting.
>>98499044kek based
>>98499044
>>98499038Hope I draw Kozilek, Etali, Rkados or Blood Thirsty Conqueror.
>>98499044>go to play commander>see popular commander>chicken out and run awayMicrodick energy.
>>98499030>>98499034>winning via telegraphed combat damage isn't "a fair fight"you timmies would be funnier if you weren't so retardedly dumblet me guess killing people via fynn the fangbearer is b3+ too huh? lol
>go to play commander>It's 98 outside>Turn 360 and walk back inside.
What creatures can I add to my Whiplash deck I'm making?https://archidekt.com/decks/25119214/wheres_my_bird
>>98499052In his defense, she can be literal ball twisting torture to play against if she's set up right. I say this as an asshole with a Yshtola deck.
>>98499065This guy is generic value>Draws>Kill tokens>Life linkWhat are you looking for exactly?
>>98499073NEXT BAKE>>98499073>>98499073
>>98499061>t-timmiesImagine claiming youre a pro-cedh player, and the best player here, only to finally post a deck and get infinitely clowned on and have to attack people this poorly as a defense. Truly, truly pathetic.
>>98499075who are you quoting?
>buy typical precon>only comes with 9-11 basics>go to play game with randoms who assure me they are a bracket 2 pod>mostly pull non-basics because that's the majority of my precon's land base>it's okay though because the duals let me color fix and I can actually play my spells >turn 4 one of the other player drops non-basic mld>base gets completely fucked because I can't color fix anymore>can't play most of my spells anymore >they assure me this is well within the rules so it doesn't break the spirit of bracket 2>if I want to actually play my deck without getting stomped I have to heavily alter it to make it bracket 1
>>98499072I'm deciding if I want to build him Voltron or life drain I'm not sure yet
>>98498941>Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery of mana value 4 or greater target creature you control fights another target creature>Whenever you cast an instant or sorcery, if it was green gain 2 life or put a +1/+1 counter on target creature>{2}{G}{G} Draw 2 cards. You may remove +1/+1 counters from creatures you control to reduce the generic mana cost>If a green spell you cast would search your library for a basic land you may search for an additional basic land, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle.Random ideas for green cards that are more spell oriented. no reason for mtg to just trudge the same fucking design space for infinity
>>98499066>tryhard wants to play Yshtola>put my Vivi deck on the tableShuffle up, buttercup.
>>98499081you will improve your life a lot by immediately replacing the 6 taplands in any precon with basics
>>98499106>someone committed murder>I will now proceed to commit a war crimeVivi is the man.
>>98499119are taplands the lands that say "enter tapped" ?
>>98499081this is why I like to put mana-sifts in my deck. shit like Crystal Grotto. it can help.
>>98499130Not him, but yes. They suck absolute ass 99% of the time and should be immediately removed from your deck. Use basics, fetches, shocks, and the 5c lands (brass, confluence, exotic orchard, etc).
>>98499130yes
>>98499149>>98499150kek I'm playing like 4 of those in my deck wasn't aware they were hated
>>98499155Not hated, just plain shit. Every time you play a tap land, you put yourself back a turn on your curve.
>>98499157I'll keep that in mind thanks anons
>>98499130Checklands, Tango Lands, Exotic Orchard, Command Tower will cover your land needs almost always as long as you're not trying to cast triple pips by turn 3. Pain and Filter Lands too. Bounce lands, cycle lands, and basically any other sort of tapped land you find in precons (evolving wilds YUCK) will feel better if you just had basics instead.
Just never play more than 2C and lands aren't an issue>>98499176Bounce lands are very good in specific white shells
>>98494862Oh is this the /ccg/ thread? Based
>>98499149the only time a tap-land might be worth is if they have an ETB effect and even then, judge on individual basis of what the ETB is.
>>98499226I made a thing based on ASSFAGGOTS
>>98499307>Constructs are supposed to be artifactsin any other circumstance, yes, but here its a bit different because of the source material
