>>98501723
It happened when Wizards of the Coast bought D&D and ruined it like every other property they own.

Have you tried NOT playing D&Dogshit?

>>98501723
Have you tried not playing bad games? Of course you haven't because you just want to shitpost.

>>98501748
I'm pretty sure that if you died, this board would improve overnight. Hell, the world would improve overnight.

You're like... rot. Some little bit of wood rot in the corner of a house, just a worthless bit of fungus and moisture that could have been solved ages ago but was instead ignored and allowed to turn into a neurotic piece of shit who has to spam his forced negativity into this board because otherwise he'd choke to death on it.

The solution to most of this board's problems is really just for you to hold onto that bile.

>>98501846
>OP complains about D&D
>OP then turns around and BAWWWLS when he's told to stop playing D&D.

It's a good thing you will never have any serious relationships with other people, because you are a prime candidate for Stockholm Syndrome.

Wizards of the Coast is trying to separate itself from Tolkein as much as possible for better or worse.

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>Dwarves are literally my jewish goldsmith neighbors who keep me up at night with their banging and clinking and clanking.

>>98501868
Dude, I'm not playing this game with you.

Your endless attempts to justify-
>see thread you can shitpost about D&D in
>shitpost about D&D
-are all just the same bullshit. The way you rush to do it for maximum visibility while repeating your spammed catchphase makes it clear you have no interest in doing anything other than wasting your life patrolling this board while discouraging people from posting like you think this is some sort of game.

Find some actual games to play, so you can learn how to discuss games you like instead of shitposting about games you don't play.

>>98501846
Have you tried not playing DnDogshit?

>>98501923
Says the person literally making topics to complain about D&D.

Take your meds, then tell your doctor to make sure the dosage isn't too low.

>>98501723
>Every recent book no matter what system they are going out
name some of them

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>>98501923
Have you considered that modern D&D just sucks and this isn't Reddit or Discord so not everyone here is as eager to suck dick as you are?

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>>98501945
>I hate this thing so much
>that's why I'll dedicate all of my free time and energy to talking about it instead of talking about the things I actually do like

>>98502018
so you're having a panic attack about people singling out dnd but then you refuse to name any of the other systems who are supposedly guilty of the behavior youre bitching about? this is all in your head

>>98501945
OP is not a highly respected homosexual. He doesn't get any respect.

>>98502018
This is just the rightiod version of "Educate yourself chud"

dwarves have always been filthy communist tankies

>>98501723
Last time I saw dwarves, they weren't that, so I don't know what you're on about.

>>98501846
Seldom have I seen someone drop their spaghetti this hard over being told not to play Dragqueens & Dogshit 5.5e.

You should try it, since it would solve all your complaints. But you won't, because you're a mentally underage corporate cocksucker so far inte emotional sunk cost fallacy that you'd probably kill yourself if WotC went bankrupt.

>>98502991
You haven't been around very long then. This guy has been playing unpaid cheerleader for WotC for like the last 3 years now.

>>98501723
What I personally don't get is how dwarves don't dominate every fantasy setting with their industrial advantages.

>>98503574
Because most people want the same human dominated setting over and over.

>>98503574
Give it time. Human cucks are on the decline.

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>>98501723
No idea what you're talking about.
Even the AoS Kharadron (((Overlords))) are miserly grudge bearing cunts.

>>98503620
But dwarves were always community driven by their own family

>>98501723

I like how both are actually pretty much equally Tolkienian.

Excpet for the braiding, I guess.

>>98501923
It's always the same thing.

>Excuse to be triggered into shitposting
>*Shitpost"
>"Stop shitposting all the time"
>"I'm not shitposting, didn't you see I was triggered?! What triggered me is at fault!"

Followed by more fun retardation.

The fuck are you talking about op. You got any examples?

>>98501723
>"Dwarves are artisans who love creating
dwarves are frequently depicted as master smiths who take joy in making things, textbook artisans

>and they spend all their freetime braiding their beards and are very community focused"
dwarves are depicted as being very proud of their beards so it isnt out of the pale to imagine they would want their beards to look the best
and braiding, which takes a lot of time, would be a way to show their pride in their beard if they are willing to spend a lot of their free time on it

given that dwarves are usually depicted as forming kin-ship based societies or clan based societies, being community focused would be a near-given

>>98501723
Both of these things were always true and both are based, unless you think vikings braiding their beards is søy and effeminate. Dumb tranime.

>>98501723
>When did this transition happen?
The same time it "transitioned" from being able to play what you want at the discretion of your DM to having enforced limitations that are diametrically opposed to the main focus of TTRPGs as a whole.

>>98504327
the fact that 90% of settings will have characters be able to tell an axe is of dwarven make just by looking at it, and being impressed rather than off-put, usually firmly establishes that dwarves are craftsmen who want things that are both functional and beautiful to look at

having something thats rough but functional is usually the domain of orcs, when they are of the more tolkien-type ones who are actually clever, who make things that are technically good but lack the refinement or beauty of dwarven smithing
humans will usually stand in for "plain but functional" when using orks instead of orcs , if anything (if there are multiple human cultures, then the "main" one will fill it)

>>98501723
Haven't they always been pretty communal? Like fuck with anyone in the clan and they put you in the book of grudges sort of thing.

>>98504573
Yeah but they wouldn't give up all their gold like some commie swap society, they'd just verbally harass poor beardlings within the clan until said beardlings made some decent gold.

>>98504681
Old dwarves are basically boomers

>>98504681
>>98504573
their clan and kin setup would almost certainly establish them as being a tight-knit, community-focused culture
with dwarven motivation being primarily centered around either making their clan proud or, failing that, not ruining the clan name

this would be intertwined with their focus on smithing and craftsmanship, because it would mean everything they make doesnt just reflect on their own skill but also on their clan as a whole
any dwarf who makes substandard output isnt just a bad caftsdwarf but also a tacit implication that the clan are bad teachers

>>98504695
Dwarves are not going to handhold you especially in a shame based society, and such a culture would inevitably lock family lines along professions that Dwarves would be honor bound to follow even if they didn't like them.

They're not a bunch of fetish artists living in a familiar seattle commune where everyone shares their doritos or a bag of sprite, they're a bunch of gruff greedy conservative autistic traditionalist troglodytes that expect the most out of their descendants to add to the family name, not use it as a resource safety net.

>>98504746
what are you even arguing against?
the dwarves being a clan-based social structure means they are going to be more community-based as a result

>>98504757
It's the difference between a commune and a close knit town where everyone is related. No one but your immediate family is expected to provide for you, and only up to when you grow up on your two little dwarf legs, and you're more than likely going to take up the family profession whether you like it or not. You'll be expected to provide for yourself or else risk shame. Imagine 170 generations of stone throne carvers. I doubt all 170 of those dwarves loved to do nothing but make rock chairs all day.

>>98504786
>No one but your immediate family is expected to provide for you
thats not actually the case for most clan-type societal structures
clans were made up of multiple related families as well as non-familiar members considered kin
and care between families within the clan was often voluntary
they would help other families simply because thats the social more

>>98501723
Nothing about the nu dwarves contradicts the lore you gave for old dwarves.
"Dwarves are stubborn and hold ancient grudges but are hardy and skilled smiths and artisans. They love creating and they spend all their freetime braiding their bears and are very community focused."
Community focus leads to artisans, requirement for smithies and the insular us vs them that leads to the grudge system.

>>98504805
I doubt most clan based societies are a bunch of drunk turbo midgets whose sole purpose in life is to acquire more shiny stuff and add it to a massive undermountain pile and act like the toughest boomers around. In such a society the takers would be outcast and shamed while the makers would be praised and emulated.

>>98504824
>In such a society the takers would be outcast and shamed while the makers would be praised and emulated.
thats literally an ayn randism thats hyper-focused on the individual rather than the community
about as far as you can get from the kinship-based society most dwarves are imagined to have

>>98504841
Yeah go ahead, play a slacker dwarf that mooches off of everyone

>>98504824
NTAYRT but you can't be a maker without being a taker, it's a chain of wealth extraction that only perpetuates if everyone does their part together. Because of that, you'd have reason to care for others and look after them. You see that historically all the way back to copper and bronze age corpses.

>>98501723
Dwarves were never interesting

>>98504856
Not true by virtue that dwarfs have internal monetary economies.

>>98504874
That's a grudgin'

Riddle me this, how do you handle dwarfs and magic? I think my mind has been so saturated with warhammer fantasy dwarfs it's difficult to imagine them any other way

>>98501723
>"Dwarves are stubborn and hold ancient grudges
That only happens in Warhammer.

>>98503574
because they are isolationist and xenophobic.

>>98504327
>tranime
Newfag

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>>98501748
Just went to DND Beyond's website and the generic boilerplate stuff about dwarf includes them being stereotyped as grumpy, holding onto grudges for longer than other races, and so on. I feel like this is OP solely bitching about the dumbass fans of DND; fair enough, but its not exactly DND's fault that some people are making dwarves boring by sanding off their rough edges.

>>98505002
What about lord of the rings?

>>98505040
Nothing about being grumpy grudge holders contradicts being community focused artisans in any case, so its really just complaining for the sake of complaining

>>98505019
>Newfag
tranime

>>98505055
LOTR dwarves are noted for their long lasting grudges, but it isnt a defining trait of their culture
Gimli is far more defined by his martial prowess and his jovial nature than anything else
Dwarves are known for their greed as a societal fault rather than grudge holding, but the degree to which each dwarf succumbs to greed varies from individual to individual
Gimli isnt hoarding gold like a dragon and talking about gold every 20 seconds, for instance

>>98505057
It's more that the troons running wotc are trying to make dwaves into a multi-ethnic commie society race so they're emphasizing certain traits over others

>>98505086
What do you call dragon sickness then?

>>98505119
Getting angry over dwarves braiding their beards when its been part of their characterization since LOTR seems particularly strange

Dwarves would want neat beards so they dont get in the way of smithing or smelting
And a broad cultural appreciation for craftsmanship would undoubtedly mean that they would see the aesthethic value in perfectly braided beard the same way they see a well made axe

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>>98505138
They'd probably ADORE decorated tools that don't sacrifice beauty for use, or even take advantage of practical design to enhance aesthetics. Think a skeletonized pocketwatch where you can see every minute action within or a battleaxe with colorful yet sturdy wood.

>>98505011
so?

>>98501723
Who are you quoting?

>>98501846
Stop playing bad games.

>>98502157
Not at all.

>>98502157
>I don't understand

>>98501723
These things are not exclusive. Caring about artistry and being a smith go hand in hand. If you think these are contradictory it's entirely a problem in your head

>>98505087
>Kingdoms rich in ancient grandeur, halls carved into the roots of mountains, the echoing of picks and hammers in deep mines and blazing forges, a commitment to clan and tradition, and a burning hatred of goblins and orcs—these common threads unite all dwarves.
this is what dnd beyond has to say in the first line of its description of dwarves
i hate to say it but have you considered actually playing dnd instead of just making up shit to be mad about?

>>98507602
This implies that Dwarves don't have a burning hatred of the worst beings of all creation, Elves.

>>98501748
>It happened when Wizards of the Coast bought D&D
1997?

>>98501846
I have never seen such a blatant obvious case of projection. Please get some serious help from a medical professional before you hurt yourself, Anon.

>>98501846
No, the solution is for you, specifically you, to have a heart attack.

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>>98501723
Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away ere break of day
To seek the pale enchanted gold.

The dwarves of yore made mighty spells,
While hammers fell like ringing bells
In places deep, where dark things sleep,
In hollow halls beneath the fells.

For ancient king and elvish lord
There many a gleaming golden hoard
They shaped and wrought, and light they caught
To hide in gems on hilt of sword.

On silver necklaces they strung
The flowering stars, on crowns they hung
The dragon-fire, in twisted wire
They meshed the light of moon and sun.

Far over the misty mountains cold
To dungeons deep and caverns old
We must away, ere break of day,
To claim our long-forgotten gold.

Goblets they carved there for themselves
And harps of gold; where no man delves
There lay they long, and many a song
Was sung unheard by men or elves.

The pines were roaring on the height,
The winds were moaning in the night.
The fire was red, it flaming spread;
The trees like torches blazed with light.

The bells were ringing in the dale
And men looked up with faces pale;
Then dragon’s ire more fierce than fire
Laid low their towers and houses frail.

The mountain smoked beneath the moon;
The dwarves, they heard the tramp of doom.
They fled their hall, to dying fall
Beneath his feet, beneath the moon.

Far over the misty mountains grim
To dungeons deep and caverns dim
We must away, ere break of day,
To win our harps and gold from him!

>>98501723
Both are shit btw. It's either:
>Short angry human
or
>Short human

You don't need dwarves in your fantasy setting. They're redundant, unless you lack humans.

Rock and stone...

>>98505011
how is that a bad thing?

>>98501723
There is nothing stopping you from ignoring the new settings & editions OP, you can just stay with the older versions & not even bother with anything else, if you like how the Dwarves are portrayed in the earlier editions or settings thats that or better yet come up with your own.

>>98505069
>no u
Redditor

>>98505869
>>98508984
At no point did I say it was bad.

>>98501846
Stop seething just because a popular meme was made as a response to your shitpost threads.

>>98507592
>>98507574
>rightoids pretending not to understand when given a valid counterpoint
lol, every single insult the right uses is just projection.

>>98501723
At least they aren't making nu-dwarves straight, am I right? They're just as gay as they've always been.

>>98513871
Found the elf.

>>98513857
>no u
You're no better than them.

>>98513878
Not the own you think it is, dorf-anon. Run back to wanting to fuck "women" with beards and doing your whole "w-w-w-we totally h-h-h-have women, g-g-g-guys, we just h-h-h-hide them from non-dwarves!" coping gimmick.

>>98513907
Listen here you dickless, honorless, spineless tree hugging woodland baboon. You are a race of utter fuckboys and cowardly cucks. The only reason why dwarfs have axes is to cut down the trees you shrub shitters hide in. You dare open your cock holster to talk about proud dwarven women when no one can tell the difference between elven men and women? Why don't you go built a boat and sink in the ocean you smug pansy dandelion. You are a containment race for gooners that somehow eclipse succubi in degeneracy. Maybe I should craft you some balls so that I may kick them. No that's fine, retreat to your woods where you can shit on the floor like the filthy animals you are. Elves deserve nothing but an unceremonious death followed by a thrashing. Have a good day.

>>98513940
Aw, poor dwarf. And I mean poor. All your digging, and you can't come up with anything but balrogs that you run away from like scared little bitches.

>>98513967
Poor elf, all that fart sniffing, and still can't say anything truly sour. We have you listed in the book of grudges, under the section "cuck".

>>98513981
Brava, dwarf-anon. What tepid repartee will you steal from reddit next?

>>98514022
Ishkhaqwi ai durugnul!

>>98501846
What other games have you played besides D&D 5e, and when did you last play those?

>>98502157
"Educate yourself" attempts to end the conversation with an appeal to authority. It's not the same at all, and isn't used in even a slightly similar way.
>however, if you're pretending not to understand things as a joke, then kudos, but you're still a retard

>>98501846
Holy based. Impressive amount of samefag seethe generated by this post.

>>98514131
You samefagging doesn't count, OP.

>>98514131
>dogshit opinion gets absolutely piled on
>y-you're all samefagging!

>old dwarves
>The rhinemaidens made fun of me so I will reject love and set in motion the destruction of everything including the gods
>New dwarves
>We like to hang out with wizards and hobbits and sing songs and go on hikes in the mountains

>>98514121
You're right, it's not an appeal to authority, it's just an ad populum fallacy

>>98514446
Anon, pointing out that someone is acting retarded is not an ad populum.

>>98514446
Depends whether the intended "Education" is from a "Professional" or more informed by what he frames as "Mass" beliefs.

It could be either.

>>98502157
Per Capita Statistics.

>>98508540
I still hear this in John Huston's voice. It's also probably the longest written work I can recite from memory.
I don't know why I've always liked dwarves, but I think it started with seeing this scene when I was like 7 and just being completely enthralled. The grandeur, the splendor, the mystery. Thanks for the nostalgia, anon.

>>98501931
Lmao. Nowhere did OP ever say it was D&D. If anything, you are the assblasted individual (read: fag) who can't stop thinking about D&D. Rent Freeee~

>>98501846
Shit like this makes me wish they would force an ID system into /tg/ already. We hit the bottom, might as well.

>>98501846
>a guy who says DnD sucks is the rot killing /tg/
Lmao that's a new one

>>98501923
>makes it clear you have no interest in doing anything other than wasting your life patrolling this board while discouraging people from posting
No I think he just doesnt like DnD. Get over yourself

>>98504327
>unless you think vikings braiding their beards is søy and effeminate
Mildly yes

>>98505869
>>98508984
Technically its a pretty fucking awful societal methodology in a world with multiple sapient species, xenophobia as in towards others of your species who are different subraces would be an active detriment if all the other sapient species coordinate amongst themselves fully.
This is literally why we have the Uncanny Valley, back when there were multiple hominid species being able to tell Human from !Human was one of the most important survival traits.

>>98515477
>This is literally why we have the Uncanny Valley, back when there were multiple hominid species being able to tell Human from !Human was one of the most important survival traits.
its almost certain that the uncanny valley is simply to create an aversion to corpses
since absolutely nothing good comes from touching one

>>98515463
hair braiding is pretty universal, simply because braided hair keeps it clean and prevents it from snagging
the braids become a way to show off because someone with enough free time to spend it on something like making your hair fancy implies that someone is successful, or enough wealth to hire someone to do it for you at least

almost everything becomes a status symbol and triggers an arms race of peacocking, you see the same thing happen with shoes and powdered wigs

>>98513907
Dwarf women dont appear in media for the same reason almoat all of the planeswalkers are human

>>98514036
>bixnood babble
As I expected from a filthy digger

>>98515481
The reaction is way too strong to serve this purpose, and it doesnt actually trigger in most people who look at dead bodies, only thoroughly mangled bodies and even then there's a degree of empathy that flares as well.
Uncanny Valley is a full on fear response almost exactly the same as seeing a stalking predator or having a nightmare. It's completely unrelated.

>>98515481
Nah, when my uncle died I kissed him on the brow because I didn't know what else to do, and it felt natural.
He wasn't a good looking corpse either.
He wasn't found for a while.
Though the coroner's makeup job was itself uncanny.

>>98515528
bodies prepared by a coroner specifically make them as close to alive as possible and push them out of the uncanny valley

but corpses encountered in nature are in varying states of decomposition, so it makes sense humans would develop a reaction to steer clear of them

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>>98515534
>but corpses encountered in nature are in varying states of decomposition, so it makes sense humans would develop a reaction to steer clear of them
If this was truly the case, skeletons would trigger the uncanny valley response. Hint: they dont.

>>98515561
they do, people used to fear skeletons or use them as shorthands for death

the reason modern people do not fear skeletons is because internet humor has mostly used them as a punchline and most depictions of skeletons are cartoony
but actual long dead skeletons are a source of primal revulsion because that is clearly a human but not anymore

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>>98515569
Yeah they were so revulsed and terrified of the dead that they used them as building materials or would gather the bones of the dead to honor them.

Oh wait.

>>98515575
ossuaries were tastefully arranged
your example clearly shows that the human form is no longer readily apparent with only the skull really showing off that this was a person

the fact that they have to re-arrange the bones into a geometric pattern tells you more about how we do not want a human skeleton in all its decomposed glory
pretty much the only place where a full skeleton in its natural human pose is accepted is in a glass box or a science class where they have been cleaned up

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>>98515585
>ossuaries were tastefully arranged
>your example clearly shows that the human form is no longer readily apparent with only the skull really showing off that this was a person
>the fact that they have to re-arrange the bones into a geometric pattern
Funny because the uncanny valley response can trigger on disembodied parts or even still images of them, yet ancient people were able to resist this instinct and arrange entire walls of bones to venerate the dead?

>>98515168
>I still hear this in John Huston's voice
Yeah not to take anything away from Ian Magneto but this is still how I read Gandalf when I go back to the book. Just really got me at an impressionable age.

>>98501882
If so, they could do it with more imagination.

>>98504573
Communal? Not necessarily. More socially rigid and slow to change.

>>98515497
Tourist

>>98504573
>>98517097
Yeah, I mean, they're GREEDY for GOLD.
The personal ownership of and lust for wealth in general.
One of the strongest mythological traits of Dwarves that shines through from Fafnir himself, is greed, greed for the cursed ring of the Nibelungs, for which he ensorcelled himself into the shape of a dragon.

>>98501723
Nothing changed. Both of those were always true. Fake dwarf fan.

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>>98517725
Every single detail gets worse and worse
>Tattoo of beards that change size and shape
>No protection for the smiths
>Humans in the hold
>Humans eating right next to the furnace
>Not looking at what you are smithing
>Bringing bread into the forging area
>All that gold/silver/platinum NOT IN A VAULT AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>98523082
How does a dwarf become black without some serious cross breeding?

>>98502032
Isn't that exactly how fags and women turned D&D gay and lame in the first place?

>>98523234
Quarry

>>98505019
You will never be a Japanese woman.

>>98523766
I thought the main factor to dark skin was distance to the equator? Also if you lived underground you'd greatly reduce your UV exposure...