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>>98510135Can you imagine what WtA would look like if a furry joined the writing team (especially before W5)?
What's your glabo form look like?
>>98511145Pretty sure the first tenet of the Litany was supposed to be a meta way to deter those type of players and to give ST a reason to punish that behavior if it strays too far from earnest role-playing to furry yiffing territory.
>>98511157>Appearance 4>Pick up the Fair Glabro meritYep, it’s WtA time.
I'm thinking of introducing some speedbump-style Spirits into my WtF game to break up the action-economy a bit and present some opportunities to my players. They'll be recurring spirits with predictable behaviours that, once the PCs figure them out, they'll be able to use them as part of their Hunting strategies.Saltwater Mire is a rank 1 Spirit that will accept anything given to it (ie, thrown into the water), and will try to grapple, drown and drain anyone and anything that steps in the water. Pollution is its Bane.Steadfast Tree is a large tree that will shelter and protect anyone and anything under its bough. It will use its Numina to grant its Defence to the target of an attack. If this attack is reciprocated, Steadfast Tree will try to grapple both combatants with its branches and restrain them until they stop fighting. Alternatively, if a second attack is made then the attacker will be grappled instead. Its Bane is a fire-axe with the handle of a wood matching the tree (can be oak, birch etc). The PCs can use it to gain a brief reprieve during a fight, enjoying its granted Defence. Foreign Threat Close to Home is the spectre of the Blitz, 30 years after the fact. It starts as the spectre of a single bomber up in the sky, and will beam a light down into the Hisil, bombing anyone it see's. It cannot target anything it can't see, and is drawn towards light sources. It has to loudly announce its presence with motor sounds, stukka bomber-sounds (even though they don't fit) and whistling bombs. If it's not dealt with (and plot related stuff continues), the xenophobia and fear will only intensify and the Spirit will grow in strength until it's a full squadron of bombers flying from the east. If the PCs can illuminate their enemies and not themselves, the Spirit will absolutely lend them a helping hand. I need some more recurring Spirits, I'm drawing a bit of a blank. Any thoughts?
>>98511162Were furries relevant enough for the devs to put railguards against them back in the 90’s? I figured it was to explain why they need to mate with kinfolk to make more woofs
>>98511162>>98511479The game at a baseline is pretty furry, the specific no werewolf/werewolf breeding thing is hard to really call anti-furry if it's only a punishment for actually making more Garou that way. At the same time I don't think the game itself is explicitly furry, except for certain content like the Gaia tribe book.
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>>98511157I am a cat ears on sides enjoyer for more western "realistic" media, though in general glabro is gonna be a lot fiercer looking than the average catgirl. Though there are some depictions approaching "Glabro" in japanese media.- I think Kouya ni Kemono Doukokusu goes well with the intended aesthetic for WoD half-beast forms, behaviorally too.
>>98511098>Who was the most righteous/morally good character you ever made for WoD/CofD?I once played a DA Inquisitor and actually read some of the bible for character.Whoever unironically put "Sex is Icky" as one of the sins on the piety scale is a retard. The bible DEMANDS that christians breed like rabbits. If you wife isn't waking up a post-orgasmic haze every morning, then you're failing your moral duties to your wife(or wives) and heaven both.
>>98511620>take your wife to pound town>everyone can hear>including your neighbor, the priest>who can't get it up>accused of witchcraft
>>98511620breeding is not all sex, it's where the meme of missionary for the sole purpose of recreation comes from.
>>98511098I've never been the ST before but want to run a one-shot for my group of DnD regulars. Here's what I have so far:>our city but late nineties>prologue: characters are humans in a cafe/bank/whatever>some goons rob the place and kidnap people>after severe beatings in the country side everyone has to dig this big hole>all are drained and embraced while some weirdo chants a litany>they get bonked, buried and left>game starts:>they claw their way up and are drawn like moths to the flame of a wedding just on the other side of this little lake>feeding_frenzy.exe>two vehicles pull up and some paramilitary guys jump out and start shooting>characters are staked and black-bagged>in some compound this guy tells them vampires are real and so is hell>the only way to avoid hell is to kill their sires>(it's a Ventrue trying to get back at the Sabbath)>they get weapons and are told the most likely positions of their sires>the rest is investigating the trap house and fightingI think I have the "eternal criminal underworld/intelligence community" part down but how do I get the personal horror?
>>98511620It's your duty to have children, you're just not supposed to enjoy it.
>>98511620>>98511765>>98511713No that was grafted on by the Romans/Italians who were huge prudes in public.Youre supposed to have crazy wild mo key sex with your wife (or wives) & make a lot of babies
>>98511620I'm not really all that into DA but is there anything in DA Inquisition that could be carried over to the modern day?
>>98511498I thought “death by snu snu” was a black furies thing
>>98511765>you're just not supposed to enjoy itt. retard or gnostic>inb4 my shithole church saysBurgerprots are the most degenerated branch of Christianity
>>98511762A bit hard to get much personal horror from a one shot. I wouldnt worry too much about incorporating personal horror if its going to be a 1 maybe 2 session game. They have their stakes (not going to hell) already set up so the only thing to really fear is failing to kill their sires. Personally I would focus more on Splatterpunk especially if theyre going up against the sabbat. But if you are keen on having those elements, when they investigate the traphouse they can find people incapacitated and having to decide whether to free them or drain them (usually helps if theyre already kinda low on blood points and a little roughed up).If your one shot develops into a full chronicle then you can start incorporating personal horror in ways that make your players choose between survival/gaining advantages and maintaining their morals/conscience. Every choice should come with pros and cons (like the example I listed earlier with getting more blood points or further staining their humanity). Not sure how much of this was helpful but I hope you at least got some things to think about.
>>98511819The entire power system. The Inquisition books are the full-splat version of True Faith and DA Inquisitor is the 20th anniversary update to it.The 1-5 true faith scale shown in the other splat books is just an aproximation, like how vampire enemies in werewolf books are statted using gifts instead of disciplines.
>>98511789>90% of the pop-culture version of something is either incorrect or outright liesHow could this have happened!More seriously, it amazes me how few "Religious" people actually read their book.
>>98511620The bible loves sex, but only if it's done right.You can basically track what fetishes were popular at what periods and in which regions by how many monks were whining about people indulging in pederasty (having sex wrong). Even intercrural got them mad as fuck.
Is it just me or does the boggan icon look like a chudjak?
>>98511098Anyone have a version of the Dark Ages: Fae PDF with OCR that ISN'T absolutely raped?
>>98512006What is Splatterpunk? That scene from 90s Dracula (I think) where they stake the guy and the blood goes absolutely everywhere?>having to decide whether to free them or drain themI'm definitely using that one. Thanks.*If* they want a full chronicle I probably start with new characters very much on the Camarilla side of things.
>>98512065Do you not know what a bee is? Go touch grass and take a break from the internet kiddo.
>>98512065>Chudj-ack!Not even close
>>98505977Shilling this in here too because it was relatively fun to read.Thoughts? Any insults or slurs you want to throw at me?
>>98512198I mean write, I'm retarded.
>>98512198I like it, I'm looking forward to the MC remembering himself. Is it a straight up isekai with someone taken from normal earth?
>>98512065I think I can see how you might have arrived there, assuming you gave him some bulbous tumblr nose, but I also for a brief instant saw a chicken's face
>>98512239Haven't decided yet. I'm more leaning on some guy from the WoD universe.
>>98512255GOD DAMN YOU CHICKEN LITTLE.
>>98512133>>98512188Im just saying, the wings are the glasses, the two legs on top are the bushy eyebrows, the thorax and abdomen are the nose, and the bottom legs are the lines that stretch past the nose. Its a little abstract and there isnt a parallel for the big lips but I swear it looks like a front facing chudjak.>>98512255It was the legs and the wings that got me. I mainly saw the bushy brows, glasses, and the lines running down. The nose and mouth definitely are a bit of a stretch but I never took it for a 1 to 1 comparison.
>>98512259Do we have examples of this happening in WoD? It would be a little funny to see him crash out when he realizes just where exactly he reincarnated if it's an isekai though
>>98512319I mean the only "reincarnations" I can really think of are the Mages with their Avatars. Like in the "born anew as a different person" deal.Speaking of, I'm probably going to add in some Mage stuff at some point.
>>98512335>I'm probably going to add in some Mage stuff at some point.Any dunking on the hermetics? I'm all for it btw.
>>98512335Project Invictus niggas trying to kill pentex with zero budget?
>>98512386Probably? I'd have to think of a reason for the conflict, though.>>98512429I'm thinking of other antagonists than just Pentex, actually, at least not directly yet.I'm open for ideas here.
Would Hototogisu make sense outside of Japan in a modern day HtV game? I like their whole deal, and they're supposed to be a multinational corporation. And are their endowments from the Dark Eras book compatible with HtV 2e? I think it came out before it.
>>98512468Have this fucker appear at some point
This is what the Weaver, Technocrats, and Autumn People want.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULpJ-UgNlkM
DTR was a missed chance to go full Kamen Riderhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yV46l4DjvFo
>>98512551>Most boring Conlang>Look inside>Sounds like native american languagesWhat did the Weaver mean by this
>>98512065>>98512304I saw the face before I saw the bee, if it's any consolation.
>>98512520Not a bad idea actually
How would I stat Sebastian from 黒執事?
As someone who can appreciate sentai but isn't exactly cultured in it, can anyone recommend me some KamenRider style abilites to give as werebeetles gifts?How important are the motorcycles?Im also thinking of writing up Flabber from Big Bad Beetleborgs as a Totem as well as something like "Kabuto", or "Samurai"
>>98511201is that from the same artist who gave us shotgun dante and the antagonist from blade 2?
>>98511098>Who was the most righteous/morally good character you ever made for WoD/CofD?In a Requiem game, I played a Daeva who was a former priest and so tried his best to be as a righteous man could be. He was a member of the Ordo Dracul studying the Coil of Blood with 5 Resolve so that he had to feed as little as possible, only drank from blood packs or the occasional sip from his nun confidant.I remember getting a fun moment in when I got into a grapple with a member of Belial's Brood (this was the session where my one friend had his character run through the streets naked shouting "I'm on PCP bitches!" at the police and fire department), and the ST let me use the Turn a Drawn Weapon maneuver to fire his shotgun at another enemy who was coming out the doorway with an uzi.Another memorable moment was a line from one of my friends.>Oh you like fire? Well the Dragon doesn't fear fire, motherfucker!>Throws Molotov through window.Picture... semi related? Because fire? I dunno.
>>98512468The Syndicate is willing to make a generous donation (strictly off the books, terms and conditions apply) if certain so-called "mages" would find themselves being removed from existence.
>>98512518It wouldn't be too hard to swing, as you said they're a company, so during Japan's massive boom in the 80s it's plausible they could've spread all over the place. And HtV2e didn't fundamentally change how Endowments worked or anything, it just changed how a lot of the classics functioned. Like Benedictions going from on-demand powers to rituals.
>>98512717Do you actually want it as a player character or player's familiar? If so, somekind of all-in-one Super Familiar worth all the points.
>>98512828>Plus, it's a good alternative to Hildegaard the Hermetic who has rings on each finger, an amulet around her neck, a tiara and a walking stick with an owl perched at the tipNo it's not. Fill those slots!
>>98512804I mean would the Syndicate be willing to work with Ananasi (or any fera for that matter)? They are reality deviants after all arent they
>>98512319>Do we have examples of this happening in WoD?Werewolf has a whole background for it but besides mage/sorcerer reincarnation isn't touched on very often as a player option.
>>98512882Everyone knows that the Syndicate is cutting deals with reality deviants all the time. Vampires are the most common business partner, SPD deals with everyone. It wouldn't be that far-fetched for some syndicate manager to hire RDs to solve his problem, bonus points if some other convention whacks said RD after the job is done.
>>98512901thats why you only pay them half upfront or bargain even lower so you don't have to pay the other half when they get whacked
>>98512828Now I want Super Familiar/Wonder
>>98501877>Every normie CEO and theatre kid thinks they can make a good ttrpg.
>>98512973>Dallas: The Television Role-Playing Gameholy fucking shit its real
>>98512913If they're stupid you can give them cash with hidden microscopic dye packs. Make them work for free.
>>98512998Every big TV show used to get a tabletop game. I heard Buffy was actually pretty good, even.
>>98512882The syndicate in their convention book is actually stated to be far more accepting of reality deviants than the other conventions iirc. The main thing preventing them from making more deals with them is the fact that the union's official policy is Total RD Death so they have to be sneaky about it. There's also a syndicate guy in the pentex board of directors who found that the weaver and pattern spiders are real and is now actively working against pentex iirc
>>98501848>gaming is dying the same way the print is dying. I don't know if these hobbies have a future.AI is the future
>>98512973Does it has any oil business management? If it doesn’t, it’s trash
>>98513044This Syndicate guy sounds interesting please do tell me more
>>98512882Work with? No. Use them? Absolutely. Syndicate's relation with reality deviants is purely transactional. They're not prime Interation X or NWO's men in white.
>>98503050>Why people keep bringing up this superhero shit?
>>98503180>Superheroes with fangs is definitely a meme
>>98513075Do tell me more about the white suits and prime Iteration X. Do Iteration X really think of RDs other than killing them? Well except Computer of course
>>98501329>Luna had life at one point? We gotta repopulate Luna... call the TremereI'm not sure how spirits worked in the Old World of Darkness, but in the Chronicles of Darkness, you'd also have to fend off Luna and the other space-based spirits. Also, you know, the nigh-constant sunlight bleaching the surface of the moon.
>>98513142Iteration X was the most pro-pogrom faction in the union. Combine that with them being the most heavily armed convention and you get people who are sent in when something needs to die, collateral damage be damned.>ComputerThey don't know what it really is or the convention leadership keeps it a secret. I'd bet that Control knows but doesn't want to risk losing an entire convention. Men in white are the union's version of internal affairs, they carry out Control's orders and maintain ideological purity within the conventions. Unless Control orders them to work with RDs (yeah, like that's ever gonna happen) it's the 5th precept all the way.
>>98513151Its easy.>First, use Thaumaturgy to go to the Moon>Set up permanent residence, supply lines, & for style, an underground Pyramid, all of this is possible with Thaumaturgy>summon Luna>get her pregnant>now, because of the way high level spirits interact with the real world, Luna, the Moon holds life>you have now Usurped the Moon>Bonus Round!>become Lupine with Thaumaturgy>create the "Blood Moon Tribe" of Tremere Lupines>force your way into the Garou Nation>tell them how you are their spiritual stepdaddy>Lupines never recover from the shame
>>98513175Oh I thought you meant they were more chill, yeah I know they want to fucking destroy reality deviants lol
>>98513264Feels more like you just invented a particularly theatrical way to kill off Tremere. So by all means, proceed.
>>98513308nta but if I were ranking on willingness to talk and work with Reality Deviants, it would be like.The Syndicate > Void Engineers > New World Order > Progenitors > Iteration X.now this has lots of * in it. Because not all Reality Deviants are the same. Void Engineers hate Vampires with passion but are way more willing to work together with Mages. Progenitors hate Vampires and despise Verbena but would work with Glass Walkers. NWO is in the middle because they are letting the current status quo to be a thing despite Progenitors, Void Engineers and Iteration X wanting to kill all the Vampires. But they don't personally work with Reality Deviants more than they have to.
>>98513264Yes, Crimson Pinstripe Suit, you're very clever.
>>98513313Whats the Tremere win/lose rate?
>>98513430Zero. Same as everyone else. You either take it all, or you haven't won. No in betweens, boyo.
>>98511145It would be glorious, but extremely degenerate.
>>98513308Come on, the union is more chill now and that's because suddenly plot device. You have to remember that the union exists because all the conventions agreed to the 6 precepts. They only stopped going after reality deviants when shit really hit the fan like WW2. Guess what they did once the situation was resolved.
>>98513070It's this guy.https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Ian_RobertsonI might've misremembered but I think the gist of it us he was initially fighting them directly until one of the Controlling Directors, who also happens to be a syndicate technocrat with his allegience to the wyrm, offered him a promotion. I'm not sure if he got forced into it or went fully turn coat.
>>98513059I'm going to admit, AI has driven us further apart because it weaponizes our need for validation and attention
>>98513151>>98513264the virgin tremere powergamer vs the chad changeling unleashing spring "Make the moon have life!" just for fun, or some shit like that.
Speaking of AI, I was surprised the basilisk literally exists in M20. It would probably be even more powerful in a 2026 scenario given the deranged accelerationists in sillicon valley
Another WoD/comic style drawing. One works in the punk club and the other in the night cabarete.>>98513077>>98513093Funnily enough, these movies have nothing to do with superheroes. They're widely considered Horror movies, especially El Cuervo. I'm starting to think people who complain about this subject are not being honest about what they actually dislike.
I remember reading the promethean book mentioned scions, human children of prometheans who are immune to some of their mind fuckery. Is there like, rules for those anywhere, of any kind? Or are they just something mentioned once or twice and forgotten about?
>>98513799Nice. You've got pretty good linework! How long have you been drawing?
>>98513799Sloppa
My players have finally made enough progress across 3 sessions in my Hunter game to post about.>Matheus lies to his boss about what happened that night, saying Cortes shot at him first and he had to kill him so he got the day off>Gina got questioned by the police at her hotel and went with the officer to the police station>Robelle got contacted by a mystery number that requested to meet for a business proposal>There she met a balding guy named Ricky who said his boss was interested in her and the others she met that day>With the help of a hefty bribe, Robelle was convinced to join the cell and provide info to him>Unbeknownst to her, he was a ghoul to a vampire that Cortes worked under>Meanwhile Oscar gets visited by the irate customer from the day before who says he knows what happened last night at Rachel's >He introduces himself as Kevin, a defense lawyer and convinces Oscar to come with him in his F-450>Tells him that he's part of a crew that hunts monsters and tells the story of how he learned of the supernatural>They stop at the police station and the lawyer keeps Gina from being detained>Oscar calls Matheus to meet with them while Robelle spies from afar, and they go to a restaurant>Kevin tells them to meet at an address and gives them a code to use when they get there>Meanwhile Robelle sneaks in and plants a location to meet the rest of the cell sans Kevin at>The cell parts ways with Kevin and meets Robelle, who didn't trust Kevin just yet>with the cell finally gathered together, they headed to the address Kevin had given them>Drive there in two different vehicles and arrive at a fenced-off and locked area of unfinished real estate>Use the code Kevin gave them and search the premises, finding an underground bunker hidden in the construction>Head inside and find Kevin's hunter cell, which includes Ray, a laborer in his late 50's; Thomas, an old ex-IBM engineer with a cane; and Mei, an early 20's woman who teaches tennis
>>98513974>Thomas tells them that they'd been tracking them since the incident at Rachel's, which was why Kevin found them so fast>They had been tracking one of the skin-thieves, which had previously been hidden as a prostitute and met with Frenchmen>When they searched the place after he left, he found a body without skin and the discarded skin of the prostitute>Now that they're dead, they don't have any leads>Matheus asks if Cortes' coroner report has been submitted yet>Kevin provides it, noting that the report says the body doesn't correlate with any of Cortes' known medical record>Matheus suggests that he could posit to his boss that it might have been a body double he killed and that he needs to go to Cortes' house to investigate further>He gives Thomas the folder he has on Cortes for him to find which property he owned was the one he actually stayed at>Ray mentions that they'll need to get some unregistered firearms so that they're more difficult to trace if things go south>Matheus notes this since he has fences as one of his Contacts, so he agrees to house Gina and go with her to purchase some firearms>Robelle drops Oscar off at his job, then reports some info to Ricky but leaves out info like the location of the bunker or the names of the hunters>Oscar finds his car keyed with the symbol of the gang the gangster he beat up the day before was a part of>When he arrives home, 3 gangsters roll up on him and hold him at gunpoint, telling him to get into their vehicle or die where he stands>He agrees and they put a bag over his head and put him in the vehicleThat's where the most recent session ended. I'm kind of relieved that they've got a concrete goal, since it'll make my prep work easier.
>>98513921Too much for my own good. A lot of the time past midnight. And maybe a few years in general? But I have a lot of fun if I'm drawing something spicy and sexo. But this particular art style I developed while trying to figure out how to save time by not coloring stuff lel.>>98513925Sorry AIbro, if you want to draw like this you will have to learn yourself.
>>98513731I actually really love Unleashings, it adds a whole new dimension of chaos to the WoD when a Fairie that's starting to get bored can just decide to throw reality upside down. It actually adds to the horror of the setting if you think about it. >Be me>A Pooka>There wasn't a Kaiju rampaging through Tokyo>Unleash Metamorphosis >Now there is>Glamour goes up Banality goes down>Clean it up techies
>>98514014It’s that ideal pair template meme, Whimsy wizard and his overworked Lawyer
>Uses up and depletes massive amounts of natural resources>Encourages social isolation and ignorance>Amplifies the echo chamber for idiots>Seeds misinformation and distrust in the populace>Discourages development of foundational creative skills and replaces it with instant gratification>Has people voluntarily giving their information to Big BrotherHow is AI NOT a thing of the Wyrm?
YandereDev was completely correct.
>>98514083Wrong thread?
>>98513799Given the shitposter above I may as well post the incomplete WIP version for shit and giggles too
>>98514014It's really funny but it also REALLY fucks with the setting. Imagine an Antediluvian wakes up and the first pissed fairy just wishes him out of existence. On one hand it's funny but also lame as fuck.
>>98511098When did Garfield shitposting get so artistically skilled?
>>98514141I like to think big boys like Antediluvians would be immune to just being one shot like that, not just by Changelings but even Archmages and that sort of stuff, but everything else is fair game.
>>98512102>Splatterpunkhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splatterpunk
>>98513731Not all of us can rewrite reality okay! Some of us have to do it the hard way. Daddy Tremere really fucked it up that he didn't just transmogrify himself into a Sidhe or something alright! We Clan Tremere have to settle for secondhand sorceries & stolen power but at least we are good at it
>>98514026This literally happened in my game. Literal Tremere lawyer with a manic pixie dream girl who fell in love with him
>>98512520Hahaha! Please, tell me that the writers were being ironic/tongue-in-cheek.
why are they unbeckoning elders in v6
>>98514219Because everything in V5 was a mistake, and V6 is looking pretty shitty to. PLEASE just continue the WOD20 game lines is that too much to ask?
>>98514226But we have to own the chuds
>>98514226But wod20 outside the core rules that were just rehashing of old material was pretty bad
>>98514219Because they know V5 was a major fuck-up. Just wait untill they bring archmasters and the the horizon back in M6
>>98514072Literally half of these are weaver alligned
>>98514014>It actually adds to the horror of the setting if you think about it.That's the point of Changeling, though. You're supposed to do new things and fill with the world with a sense of wonder. That's as silly as calling Underworld a horror movie.
>>98514072This is something I agree with, and it horrifies me.I think it's more a result of nobody paying attention to anyone else
>>98514195Anon it's phil brucato what do you think?
>>98514434In theory the pop culture idea of AI is very weaverish, in reality most of what it's doing today is a perversion of human work so yeah
>>98514485Connection is the answer.People want to be famous because it means they won't be alone or unheard.
>>98513060https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hlAjt3eiAY
>>98513799The Crow is absolutely not horror. It is an emo-goth tragic revenge story.
>>98513814https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Scion_(disambiguation)#cite_note-1
>>98514093>>98505970
>>98514476I don't care what kind of bread you've been eating. I just want to know how self-aware the authors were.
>>98514299Then why don't they make a game that actually questions society's assumptions? Further, why don't they give over their copyrights to oppressed people of color to undo generational poverty?
blackpill me on the Rokea. They seem way cooler than the garou
i am sitting here in a small room with 6 completely different beings. a man, an ape, an angel, a demigod, a dog, and myself. we all long for something more, stuck in our own ways despite appearances. we all lack it also. we sit, waiting, watching, hardly speaking and rather awkward, and when the day breaks we will part ways once more. i am struck by the ephemeral nature of reality and interaction.... i am longing for a world of better regard and somewhat structure. i wish i could love everybody. i wish i could know and be known. i wish i wish i wish that myself in the future shall forgive my terrible transgressions. i have sinned. i create my own suffering over and over. humans are such funny creatures. i wish someone would come save me, someone to love me back to Being, to Life. but i keep seeing myself at the end of the tunnel. how am i supposed to save Myself......?
>>98514626Literally all you have to do is apologize to your brother
>>98514612https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLV4Ztn9euy7Qd_rOblp0rD01Cw32ONEor
>>98514612Weak to punches and small japanese girls.
>>98514626The real insanity of the whitewolf writers making this is how they don't undetstand how this makes Caines useless as a storyteller tool.Caine can't really appear for any reason or do anything because he'll either do nothing or completely disrupt the chronicle. He's a walking "Rock Fall". There are no particularly interest interacts with him, because his interacts are undefined, but are simultaniously defined in a way that removes any player agency.More than that, they did it thinking they "Owned the powergamerss", when people asking about it were mostly storytellers and lore enthuists that wanted answers.
>>98514612>blackpill me on the Rokea.They are so stupidly xenophobic that there's less than 100 of them left despite IIRC being immortal and not having anywhere near the usual attrition rates of garou.
>>98514762No. They left him a blank slate with a thousand rumors & maybes so that you can pick what you want him to be. Go fucking play v6 where everything is pre-scripted for your bitchass
>>98514612They like Cheeseburgers, Hotdogs, French Fries, & totally hate Pizza
This seems like a good Garou songhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=DQaIU35JBjg
If I want to print SV stuff on Lulu, what do I have to do to make them print ready?
>>98514811Silly anon! Dogs can't make music.Cats, however, can.
>>98514731no
>>98514574The Crow is was white wolf before white wolf existed. And now I wonder if it was ever mentioned as source of inspiration.
>>98514838The Crow is definitely the DNA of WW
>>98514731>apologize to his brotherAnd god, for being a liar. Probably an angel or two, for being a cunt. His children, for being a bad father AND a cunt, etc. etc.
>>98514825if you can't upload files and see a preview of how it will come out, try finding an FAQ/support email on their website to contact and ask about that
I once made fun of BTP by having an Incarnate Beast try to beat Caine.
>>98511762I have run a few one shot VtM scenarios for friend groups from other TTRPG systems, and found the system/setting just are not a good fit for one shots. It would be better to try stretching things out into even just a short chronicle so there is time to let each character find their place in the world after deathalso, unless you are crafting all the characters for them, it could be a little odd knowing they are starting as mortals before actually getting access to any of their disciplines. It might be easiest to make them all have the same sire otherwise I don't know how they'd be expected to take down a group of vampires on their own in a one shot
>>98514798>They left him a blank slate with a thousand rumors & maybes so that you can pick what you want him to be.Except, no, they didn't. The image in the post I replied to isn't a meme, that's caine's official character sheet. It's literally a game mechanic that if the players meet caine, they insta-lose like a "Rocks Fall, Everyone Dies" scene in an early D&D adventure script.
>in old Dark Ages stuff Salubri can just straight up call on the angels they're named for>as long as they're not being dicks or doing it too often they actually get decent help>in V20 they instead get their blooding rituals letting you learn an eight dot power regardless of generation limits if you get it done properly instead of the scrub version>Salubri ping on the "detect holy objects" Auspex comboI thought angels were supposed to have fucked off in WoD but clearly someone up high liked the Salubri approach to things.>>98514905Anon, that's a fan-made sheet IIRC.
>>98514838>And now I wonder if it was ever mentioned as source of inspiration.Yes, multiple times in both vtm and wraith.The Risen supplement is basically Crow: the Game.
>>98514911>Anon, that's a fan-made sheet IIRC.No it isn't, it's unironically official. As stupid as that sounds.
>>98514905Except its not. There's another source where a fourth generation vampire has an amulet that 'turns him into a perfect copy of Caine' and it has a completely different statblock. WoD had a lot of writers all with different opinions. That is one chucklefuck's idea of how strong Caine is. Other writers thought otherwise. I have like a dozen citations from old World of Darkness books saying "Incarnae cannot be statted they're too strong" as well as about six statted Incarnae or spirits stated to be as strong as Incarnae. There is no such thing as WoD canon due to the near-zero amount of editorial oversight.
>>98514918Wait, which Incarnae got stats
>>98514918>There's another source where a fourth generation vampire has an amulet that 'turns him into a perfect copy of Caine' and it has a completely different statblock.The Fuck? Where?
>>98514924NTA, but There's one in a sabbat book of all things and a fully statted incarnae in one of the books of madness(forgot which one).
>>98514925Right here. It states he becomes 'for all intents and purposes Caine'. You could say its an exaggeration since he lacks some of the powers legend ascribes to Caine, but then legend doesn't say 'You Lose' either. The point is the first anon is write, Caine is what you make him and always has been. The ToJ gives you options for Caine, not an identity. To me he'll always be driving a cab.>>98514924Will post some of those next.
>>98514940Lmao, based receipts haver
>>98514924There is Abba-il-Aeon who is 'on the same level as an Incarna', there is the Reaper who is 'practically an Incarna', there is Pakurwu Tooth-Edged who is just outright an Incarna [and ironically the weakest being on this list], the original Celestial gods from Exalted First Edition (the early books still use Werewolf spirit terminology like Celestine and Incarna and define them as such), Baba Yaga who isn't an Incarna but is described as a benchmark for them, and Fenris War Avatar who is just an avatar. There is also the Yama Kings who are described as being able to be beaten in 1v1 combat by Kuei Jin bodhisattva of great age (a known variable). I compiled all this for my ExWoD game in case the Circle decided to continue the long-standing Exalt tradition of god-slaying.
>>98514954>PowerCalibrations3What's on PowerCalibrations 1 and 2?
>>98514959Same info but less things pasted onto it in MSpaint. Nothing interesting.
>>98514954>>98514962Achilli and co are faggots for taking this away from us. Bunch of bitches.
>>98514993I also have like three sources for tank stats, three more for T-rexes and four or so for nukes. Unfortunately those ones I do not have MSpaints for. World of Darkness has been running for over thirty years its amazing what makes it into the books.
>>98514993Same guy who worked as an author on Aberrant btw
>>98514954>>98514962This is missing Ischin's manifestation from storyteller's handbook to the sabbat(2e) page 129.Seems the short of it is that incarnae stats range between 10-25, but never over. A lot less that the "Thousands of Dice" I've seen people on the onyx paths forums mindlessly screech about.
>>98515021>AberrantThe irony is both hilarious and sad.
>>98515031Yeah they're about on par with powerful Methusaleh, Master Mages, and Celestial Exalted. Attack, damage, and soak pools of 10-25, health between 14 and 35. Which fits lore of Yama Kings fighting bodhisattva and the Gangrel Methusaleh Odin fighting Fenris.
>>98515035I don't get how you can go from designing hyperniggas that destroy entire city blocks for a supers game to nuking an entire setting down to street level.I'm sad that aberrant and the rest of the trinity setting is shackled to storypath now too, which replaces willpower with a communal metacurrency that increases when you fail rolls and can be used to schizophrenically alter the story by players and removed the granularity of damage in combat. I've played fabula ultima before with the whole ''add a story element'' thing using fate points and it was just really disjointed so tbdesu I don't see it working out with my group at least
>>98515031Took me awhile to find it, but thanks. I always love having more data points.
Since we already have a G.U.R.P.S. World of Darkness, which narrative-based system would you convert the setting into (other than the Storyteller System)?
Do you think M6 will take away the option to start higher than Arete 1 for muh street level or do you think they'll just divvy it up into tiers like the vamps seem to be getting?
>>98513264>>get her pregnantBro, you cant even get it up.Fucking vampires.I am forwarding this conversation to these dream speaking negros. Once the pigeon arrives your entire space program is over.
>>98500643holy shit she killed the moths INSTANTLY? No wonder Wyld called her insane and immediately attacked her
>>98514612They committed Sea-Impergium
>>98514612You'll have to explain to your friends why your Rokea character gets such a raging boner that it's something like -3 to all dice that aren't sex-related whenever they're on land.
>>98515203Yeah she was always pretty nuts
>>98515203and either that (going so far against her nature) or the beating she got from the wyld caused her madness
>>98515203The Triat are idiots
>>98515284Yeah I just assumed the moths at least had time to do something but no Weaver just crushed them the second they went ''yeah I don't wanna do that''. She's hilariously controlling
>>98515293The og Wyrm before he went nuts thanks to the Weaver seemed pretty reasonable
>>98515307They're just tools to her. If your hammer started bitching to you about your latest DIY project being illegal you'd throw that fucker out too.
>>98515317No it's more like the hammer said it didn't want to hammer down nails.
hey has anyone seen charon recently
>>98515203>make a tool to do the job>it does not do the job>throw it awayWeaver did nothing wrong.
Has there ever been any explanation or connection as to what the Triat actually is? There's the whole demon lore about how angels and demons are responsible for a lot of shit
>>98515352Bastard owes me 5 Wraith bucks
>>98515353Then why did you give it the ability to say no in the first place
>>98515354I really hope not, they are much more fitting as metaphors for how the universe operatesIt’s a lot more mysterious and threatening to know the inevitable decay of entropy is accelerating and the garou are doing whatever they can hoping to stave off the imminent apocalypse, instead of there’s a big mean snake that’s gonna getcha
>>98515369I mean...hasn't that ship kind of sailed with all the incarna of the triat and the apocalypse and ananasa's goal literally being ''replace the weaver''
>>98515354No one knows, not even Garou.
>>98515387Not even the writers is more correctWoD doesn't necessarily have the best writers
>>98515351Either way the Weaver's logic is pretty clear it's just utterly heartless.
>>98515387The Ananasi know because they are required to chat to someone who was literally there and listen to her recount the history of the events, and then their lives are spent embodying one of the members of the Triat.You could try and argue she's lying, but... why?
>>98514142I don't know but I always found it beautiful and saddening that I'll never be that good at drawing arts.I think those days have passed though where the art was actually really good and frequently made.I wonder what particular garfield eldritch art can be reused for WoD stories and scenarios with the Garfield serial numbers filed off and replaced with something else.
>>98515436That's true but isn't it also true for everyone?Like, you literally have to go find an Avatar of Gaia for certain Gifts in Garou. Kitsune were created after War of Rage and have their Biyuu or something immortal fox.Plus we the readers know the Triat are Sentient, have plans and wants. Sure, some writers in some books go all cosmic and "Oh the whole humanity and Garou are just ants of ants, not even worth a mention, like cells in a human body" but...we all know that's bullshit. The whole universe revolves around Earth and the actions of being on it.
>>98515307She then proceeded to basedout over humans.
>>98514083Are V5fags still seething at V6 in the official Discord server
>>98515354They are The One, i.e. God, split into 3
>>98514954Weird take, but this is actually encouraging me to homebrew rank 7-9 shapeshifters
>>98515783At those sorts of theoretical ranks we'd be talking gifts granted by beings more powerful than an avatar of celestines or incarnae. Like, we're talking avatars of the Triat or Gaia Herself proper.
>>98515820Well, yeah. The idea is that once you’ve achieved rank 7 somehow you’re basically on the road to become an incarna yourself. The main difficulty designing this is coming up with gifts that are both powerful and not gimmicky
>>98515832>Not gimmickyRank 10 disciplines are literally "plot device" Go ham with it, it's WEREWOLFTurn into living sunlightShapeshift your body into cybernetic parts like cybersenses for your whole bodyGain Rage and never go hungry by drinking fossil fuelsTurn any gallon of liquid into crude oil if you want BSD giftsBecome immune to bashing damage by infusing your bones with the strength of mountainsA Silent Strider who doesn't have the Egypt Curse or can turn into a giant divine-like version of himself with the power to smite evil with spirit laser beamsThere's already a gift that makes a Garou practically immune to the Blood Bond, how about a series of compounding gifts that give him potential access to elder level disciplinesImprovements on the existing Stargazer compound gifts that give him the power of a Buddha with increasing rank
>>98515857>Gain Rage and never go hungry by drinking fossil fuelsBut Bunyip are gone
>>98515191Theres always a spell or ability, Necromancy & other methods can allow you to "get it up". Have the Dreamspeakers ask the Hermetics if its a good idea to face Tremere
How do you guys picture the Triat physically?
>>98515857Oh, I know. What I’m worried about is the gifts falling into the same trap as archspheres and end up overhyped and underwhelming in what they actually do
>>98515783It bugs the fuck out of me that every splat has kinda arbitrary end points, one of the only good things nWoD did was smooth everything out.Vampires go to 8-9 with 10 existing as plot devicesMummies go to 8 & largely match Vampire in powerChangelings go to 5 but scale almost as powerfully as Mages & have all these oddball qualifiers you gotta level up tooWraith go to a flat 5 but arent nearly as good as most other splats 5Werewolves go to 6ish but some of their 6th level stuff is as weak as their 4th/5th level stuffMages go to 6 & have the most powerI would prefer if they had smoothed it out to where 5 is the max youre most likely to see & play at, 8 is the cap before things start breaking down & is the area of "high level play" with 9-10 can be plot devices.It feels like good cut off to me at least. Elder Vampires, Ancient Amenti, Half spirit Garou, & Mythical Changelings should all be viable & not a mess.
>>98512198Another “reincarnated as a magic spider” story to add to my collection. Now there’s 4 of them. Lets see if the quality matches
>>98512319Changelings reproduce by reincarnation
>>98514072Generative Algorithms are something that I just imagine Wyrm and Weaver are beating the shit out of each other trying to hold.Actually that should have been a lot of things. WtA5 should have been 'Weaver is having a meltdown and is rapidly closing in on the vaunted position of PRIMARY TRIATIC ISSUE. It isn't there yet, but not for lack of trying.'
>>98515436We're talking about a setting bursting at the seams with unreliable narrators, to the point where the beliefs of entire splats get dismissed as incorrect retardation, and you're asking why a spirit-goddess would lie in order to get her servitor species to do her bidding.
>>98515857>Rank 10 disciplines are literally "plot device"Except they aren't, because the gehenna book was retconned.The only canon examples of 10 dot disciplines are the explicitly defined ones in the 2e books. They aren't "Plot Device", they're slightly stronger than 9 dot disciplines.Antes should still be plot devices for the same reason Ur Shulgi is though, they're so old that they should have an infinite swiss army knife of elder powers and combo disciplines.
>>98515967>is the area of "high level play" with 9-10 can be plot devices.There is no "Plot Device" power at any level anon. Only beings so old they have hundreds of powers at every dot level.
Why the fuck are spiders an ananas.
>>98516172You ever look inside one?
>>98516175Fuck man spiders are pretty small I doubt I could do that.
>>98516161As far as I can tell, "plot device" means it's a crazy strong custom power that does whatever you need it to do, but really all elder powers work that way.
>>98516172Because the 1e idea of them was that they were all niggers and they were named after the nigger spider god anansi.Later writers threw that idea in the incinerator and made hot spider goth girls instead.
>>98516187>but really all elder powers work that way.Kinda, but it's one at a time per purchase. Combo disciplines are exactly the same way. Kinda funny isn't it? The only real difference between any vampire and an Ante is time and xp, not generation. Even a thin blood could fight an ante on largely even footing given the same amount of xp.
>>98516200>Kinda, but it's one at a time per purchaseThat's what I meant. Low level disciplines (1-5) are relatively static, but elder disciplines (6-10) are highly variable, which is why you can buy the same level multiple times to begin with.
>>98516188Meanwhile the werewolves are just the french word for "werewolf".
>>98516213And Lasombra is named The Shadow in Latinx while Ventrue is named Venture in AmericanWoD simply doesn't have the greatest writers
>>98516213Funny how half the writers were sentient enough to realize "Garou" was a noise wolves make, and wrote the Gurahl, Grondr, and Mokole with th in-universe idea that the name pronounces the same in homid or lupus...Then there were strait dumbasses who just slapped lazy human names like nagah and kitsune on creatures that should be older than those words.
>>98516249Something something "Garou" is used in irl japanese for wolves, something something "kitsune" is the actual irl very long-living japanese word both for foxes and yokai foxes (who are, along with cats and items, become yokai from simple animals and items mostly through living really long).
>>98516249Thought the idea was that Nagah, Garou, Gaia, Luna, Anansi, Rokea, Finna, Wendigo and so on are First Language words that human languages later adopted.
>>98516172The Weaver's wisdom is too much for the human mind. We thought that everything will become a crab if given enough time, now we know we'll all become...ananas.
>>98516402Behold, a Spider!
>>98516414it's a giant enemy crab and you attack its weak point for massive damage
>>98516249>Then there were strait dumbasses who just slapped lazy human names like nagah and kitsune on creatures that should be older than those words.Yeah lets name werefoxes after a sound foxes make.
>>98516481I'm not calling them Yippies hell noAhngs?
>>98516481>>98516487The AIIEARRAHGHH or whatever the fucks. The sound foxes make are infernal.
>>98516493Behold, a Western Kitsunehttps://youtu.be/YU1hkP-sq7U
>>98516493>"AAIIEEETASUKETEGAIASAMAHIDOIGAROUOSSANWAHIDOIDEGOZARU!"
>>98516505Arctic foxes on the other hand make very pretty howls
>>98516498Gaze your eyes upon an English Kitsune.https://youtu.be/dCuUnTJgD9M?is=S_2QzWBfTCZtiqHB
>>98516519that's a fookin pooka
>>98516519That's a filthy milkling
>>98515715https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw
>>98516563I'm not talking about the Christian Trinity. The Triat are three separate entities that were once the One God of WoD. It's a tritheistic and not trinitarian setting, to use the language of a Christian heresiologist.
>>98515203>be wyrd>be embodiment of creation>only make 2 shiftersWhy has the Wyrd always been so lazy? Why isn't it the most dynamic of the Triat?
>>98515498She pretty much adopted humans as her kids right? She vowed they'd never be bullied again by the mean supernaturals
>>98516630This woman is insane
>>98516630The fact the weaver unironically weebs out about humanity is funny as fuck.
>>98516493https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jofNR_WkoCEAccording to this critical analysis, foxes cannot be understood by humans.
>>98516696>What Does The Fox Say
>>98516172But that's a pineapple.
>>98516630>Weaver went crazy cat lady, but with humans instead of catsSomeone needs to take one for the team and give her the D.
>>98516734Silence, anglo.
>>98516630>My kids? Fucking useless. Thinking they can build the Legos I DESIGNED better than me!>My neighbours's kids? Even worse if you can believe it>Then there's those kids that belong to nobody. One day, I left my Lego set just sitting there. I come back and guess what? They put it together! Just like the manual said. Not like that Wyld retard throwing in mismatched pieces or the Wyrm dickhead scattering the whole thing on the ground. Then they did it again, unprompted! And nobody likes them for it. Well, if my kids are useless I might as well replace them with the usefull ones!
>>98516734>"is it small?">"berry">"is it bigger?">"apple">"even bigger?">"melon"And we thought germans were boring.Entire world knows, what ananas is, only some islanders in the fucknorth (and their even less literate semi-descendants on the other side of the world in the middle of nowhere) think, that ananas and pine are of the same tree.
>>98516787I'm sorry this is how you find out that that's called a pineapple. I hope you get over this bizarre emotional reaction and move on with better literacy in the future.
>>98516787Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the English actually called the fucking thing "Ananas" before changing it at some point because of the French or something.
>>98516787Why IS it called a pineapple anyways?Why not like, IDK, "Spineapple?"Because it has spines
>>98516787>Looks like a pinecone>Is a fruit kinda like an apple>Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
>>98516809Isn't pineapple some weird "berry fusion" or something like that? And it doesn't really grow on trees either.What the fuck is it? What does it want?
>>98516820Eating too much pineapple is bad for you because of the acid. It hurts your mouth. But fruits are made on purpose to spread seeds, so it can't be as revenge for eating it. It must be instead that pineapples are just so full of spite and evil that even its sweet and attractive fruit brings harm. Therefore, it wants to spread suffering.
>>98516820>What the fuck is it? What does it want?It wants to be left the fuck alone.Its a plant that has leaves sharp enough to kill small animals before they even feel the pain, it's fruit is covered in thorned spikes, and it's juice is a digestive enzyme powerful enough to to dissolve Concrete.It's a plant that screams "Fuck Off or I'll EAT YOU" at amything that moves.And humans decided to domesticate it.
>>98516838Good on pizza too.
>>98516875You're going to make a lot of redditors angry with that comment.
>>98516838>It's a plant that screams "Fuck Off or I'll EAT YOU" at amything that moves.Come on, it is just being a little tsundere, just like Garou are.
>>98516890Anti-Hawaiian pizza slander is a meme people started taking seriously.
>>98516875
>>98516838Anything with fruit is asking for some kind of animal to come propagate its seeds. Pineapple chased away the unworthy and waited for the symbiont that dared.
>>98516957So p8nnacle spirits are braaty subs with a heavy lean on sadomasochism?
>>98516957Most fruit when left to its own devices usually ends up quite stingy but hardyModern fruit plants are like bimbos
>>98516955American invented tomato sauce and pizza toppings. Modern italy is living on stolen valor.All modern "Italian" food is american.
>>98516997If it has tomato in it, is it even Italian?
>>98517000No.
>>98516607Because it's retarded.
The talk about post-masquerade wod and an anon on /qst/ doing a prelude worldbuilding thread for a god game in a modern setting inspired me a bit. How many of you would be interested in participating in a quest where we follow a timeline following a masquerade breaking event that goes up to 2123? You get to contribute some things each turn and break the setting like a jenga tower one piece at a time
>>98516607Why create 1 thing forever when you can create many things (Gorgons)
>>98515162Tiers of play seem to be the new thing they like to do, so yes
>>98515399Philosophical arguments as to the nature of creation and religion make the setting feel more lived in though. And the Garou are infamously bad at recordkeeping
>>98517045Sure, why not?
>>98517045There's a 99% likelyhood thst the thing that finally breaks the masquerade is gonna be a master 5 earthbound waking up cranky.There are many things the combined might of the camarilla and technocracy can cover up with the full force of the Veil, Mists, Fog, and Weaver behind them, but an earthbound casting "I Break Reality" over multiple major cities isn't one of those things.Especially given how they get an anti-delerium feild that makes people believe in magic again.
>>98516760>>98516630Werewolf the Apocalypse, but its not the enshitification of reality and death of the Natural Order that you are fighting against, no no no. It isn't the Wyrm.10000-8000 years ago, Weaver saw Homo Sapiens Sapiens begin its rise to the top of the food chain and when the Gaians took offense to that, she took Roach and Ape and gave them to Man and though their numbers were few in the beginning, by the 18th Century, Wereroaches and Wereapes became the prominent upper class of Humanity and with the invention of Pentex, are ever present, yet more united than ever before!It sucks to be a Wolf, because your territory is shrinking monthly and to stop Man, you must step into *his* territory, where Roach and Ape are kings.
>>98511098>Forgiveness Edition
>>98516787Piña colada: Pineapple cooler.
>>98517045Only if it isn't vampire-centric. The main character should be a demon or mummy.
Oh, good. The door dash is here.
>>98517088That shit can also happen with major demons. Unlike the beta-tier lesser demons the players use, greater demons also get Mastery even in human bodies. A fallen that finally summons it's master from the Abyss is going to be dropping a metaphysical nuke on the masquerade.
>>98517115>post-masquerade >no vamps tho
>>98517045How cyberpunk we talkin' 'ere?
>>98517045For the love of God, Please draw inspiration from the World of Future Darkness supplements. The cybertech in demon hunter x is hot garbage.
>>98517000>call this fruit from the new world "roma" >tell the rest of Europe you've been growing it in Italy for centuries in secret>tell them that Americans actually stole it from YOU
SoThe weremothsWhat are we going to do with them? I liked the idea of that one anon where they survived the Weaver by Wyld slapping the Weaver before she could actually kill the mothsWhat forms should they have? Or rather what names should they have? Theyre obviously going to have an Ananasi-equivalent "swarm" form for stepping sideways
>>98517212>Human: Obvious >Near-Human: idk>Hybrid: Mothman, not as physically intimidating, but their connection to weaver/wyld let them see the future. Maybe even... CAUSE the future>Near-Beast: giant single bug Mothra-style>Beast: Swarm of Moths
>>98517250Delirium in warform and big-ass megamoth forms
>>98517212If we follow anon aboves piint about fera names being sounds that their "Lupus" can make maybe Ananasi in-universe derive their name from the sound of clacking their mandibles together 3 times, then rubbing them against each once.(A-Na-Na-Si = *Clack* - *Clack* - *Clack* - *Rub*)Repeating sylables would be representative of their closeness to the weaver.Since other insect shifters should be similar, maybe use that kind of clack-rub vocalization. Example: Sisina(Rub-Rub-Clack).
>>98517212I like the idea that humanity started becoming them
>>98517276could use naming from cultist simulator as that has a pretty cool chaos moth in it>>98517280Or the weird resurrection of weremoths somewhere during [insert era] if the moths did get killed
>>98517276Wouldn't the bee and wasp shifters also be able to add new sylables thanks to their wings? Bee shifters could name themselves something like "Bibisi"(in your system "Buzz Buzz Rub").
I took my love, I took it downClimbed a mountain and I turned aroundAnd I saw my reflection in the snow covered hills'Til the landslide brought me downOh, mirror in the sky, what is love?Can the child within my heart rise above?Can I sail through the changin' ocean tides?Can I handle the seasons of my life?MmWell, I've been 'fraid of changin''Cause I've built my life around youBut time makes you bolderEven children get olderAnd I'm gettin' older, too
>>98517300I meant more"Okay, the Weremoths will die.""But their species survives."
>>98517319Like the Weaver killed the then-alive weremoths but allowed more to be born?
>>98517311What genres of music do you think each kithain would listen to?
>>98517093>WereapesIs cool
>>98517435Baboons are monkeys.
>>98517435wouldn't it be more advantageous to go full extendo, like a goblin-shark? why only peel back the upper lip? Yes, the fangs are much bigger, but you will favor an overbite but with a more uniform mouth shape you can put an equal amount of pressure in four perfectly spaced out points. Isn't that more damage and safer for your teeth and muscles?
>>98517435There's a Marvel character with that exact gimmick.
>>98517115Ah there isn't really a main character, we'll be following a timeline that begins in 2026 and every turn is a year where (you) can throw shit at it to break things>>98517154>>98517134How cyberpunk parts of the world will be is gonna depend on how things go. It will surely be a clusterfuck of epic proportions
>>98517300>Or the weird resurrection of weremoths somewhere during [insert era] if the moths did get killedyeah two anons in the previous threads had the idea that luna might have hidden moth eggs or that moth spirits got drawn back to earth because of artifical lighti personally would like both of that to be true
>>98517520Luna hid moth eggs but they were "sterile" and only became viable after the moth spirit was drawn to earth sounds pretty good as a combination
>>98517520>>98517544you could also tie it to the moonlanding bringing back wonder and all that in wod because it was the first moment since the moth genocide that there was life on luna
>>98517556Moth spirit woke up due to the moon landing
>>98517326More like the species survived through physically transforming humans who have been exposed to massive amounts of spiritual energy.What's crucial is that this is not reincarnation. There are no ancestor spirits. The original weremoths are long gone and not there. This is basically a total rebirth of the self, and as a result these new weremoths have highly fragmented identities.
>>98515063I dimly recall that they did Divis Mal with the same "you fucking lose our gay philosopher character is better than you'll ever be, peasant" energy. There's one adventure and all I remember is that it has a very forced plot contrivance that absolutely no player character with any power or skill can prevent from happening. White Wolf's always been bitches about fiating their way into things.
>>98517691Basically, think of it as "Their souls did not survive, but their blueprint did, and it imprinted itself on humans who's sense of self was already rendered unstable and as a result malleable."
>>98517691So basically chaos and madness kinda like with the cultist simulator moth
>>98515932>end up overhyped and underwhelming in what they actually doSo many such cases in WoD.
>>98517691So what's special about these moffs? Do they have rage? Auspices? Unique moff gifts?
>>98517743Iirc auspices kinda like with the Ananasi (Luna/gaia pure luna weaver and the wyrm kinda deal?) and unique motfh gifts from the big moth spirit
Shark here. Got a really short game today.Basically we are going to the black pyramid to find Anubis, and we’re going by train. Our nazi soldiers haven’t found any of the assamites during the day, despite us having found one of their hideouts. So they basically captured every human working at the hideout and instructed us to feed them to a local unaffiliated vampire. A seventh gen Bonsam. Prior we tried interrogating the humans but without success. So Shark appeared big and scary to release the “preys” unto the elder’s playground. Shark failed successfully, because instead of running away into the night, they decided to heroically give chase to Shark after escaping the train. Catalina and Mathilda gave chase to the group. Since the Tzimisce was too slow on her own but only she could see in the dark between the two, the Lasombra had to carry her. By the neck like a sad and pathetic puppy. The humans were then ambushed by the monster and quickly died and the elder gave chase to us instead. She looked like a Predator alien with tits. She speared Catalina for half her health and pin the dynamic duo to the ground. The Lasombra tried to impale her on her own spear but with no success. Shark selflessly lept on her all claws out and did 8 aggravated… but she only rolled two dice, got both successful, and reduced the damage to one. Still it’s the first time in centuries someone has been able to wound her. She was impressed. She wasn’t with Mathilda though. It was during negotiations that she voiced this, and Catalina was insulted that the elder thought nothing of her. So after reassessing that the humans were a gift to her, she tried to look imposing and use her eyes of the abyss on the 7th gen. The creature replied by turning into a mix of horrid form and shadows and disappearing into the night. We just assumed everything went well because we ain’t dead and went back on the train.The end.
>>98516088Please do tell me if it was enjoyable in some capacity
>>98516745What cosmic consequences would impregnating the weaver even have?
>>98518035Not this anon but I'm keeping tabs on the thread to see new chapters whenever they come up
>>98518179Some new spirit to fill the wyrm's cosmic roll. Maybe it was all a trick set up by the wyrm to get reincarnated outside their prison?
>>98517435>canonically a rapemaxxer
newfag here, why do people not like v5? I have not played V20 yet and I see vagueposts here about not liking the lore, but surely there's got to be more than that. You can (and should) just ignore anything that doesn't fit in your table's story
>>98518179Depends on what comes out of her, how involved the human Arch-Sorcerer is in the before and after and how the semi-divine off-shoot would be raised and its nature.Would Weaverlings be just Fera, but they are accelerationist trans-humanists instead of pagan primitive berserkers? Are they just Gnosis-rich Humans with turbo OCD and instinct-driven micro-managing? Large, intelligent, talking spiders with hands?Weaver could be a better Divine Parent than Gaia, as her nature compels her to be very involved and dedicated to what she creates and her own children, sired by her adopted children, would rank very high in her list of priorities. She could also be helicopter-parent that mind controls her children to act exactly as she wants.Regardless, depending on when it happens, it might stop Weaver from imprisoning Wyrm, because Humanity and the Weaverlings will promise to outgrow the concept of destruction and entropy.
>>98518238Because its absolutly terrible on every level from rules to fluff to art.
>>98518246Articulation is an important skill to learn.
>>98518238Imagine you play dnd in your favorite setting right, but one of the factions gains mega plot armor and starts steamrolling others while they get access to fucking futuristic tech. Additionally, you can no longer go to level 20, it's cut down to level 5 max. Is there anything to replace those levels? No fuck you, you WILL play street level.
>>98518242A werehuman. Half human and half... a different human!
>>98517212Oh this is my special fixation, I actually used a moth as a main 'villain' in an Ananasi chronicle (the team in a prior chronicle had engaged in time fuckery, so the reality abberation rippled enough to bring a moth back from non-reality, and it very much did not want to return to non-reality).I've always liked the idea of moths being almost ascetic and devoutly religious, as a kind of weird inversion of the Ananasi speaking to a Goddess but being largely very worldly and free of ritual; the Moths venerate in the extreme a God who never speaks back or even acknowledges them but whom also very definitely exists. But like, that's just ideas.Moths in a lot of pop-culture seem to be connected to apotheosis, like in the original Anon's post about Cultist Sim. That feels like something appropriate and not-used for much else; the Moths want to find some way to become pure spirit again, unbound by physical reality, under the belief that they can attain some kind of purity to allow them to take their place among the heavens. Something something 'moths are chasing a flame believing its the sun' because the Umbra is so abjectly hostile to them because everything in it sees them as something that not only shouldn't exist but shouldn't ever have existed.Mechanically, they should be a bit more socially inclined, similar to how the Ananasi are compared to a lot of other fera. Plus moths irl are suuuuper cute, so we gotta keep that in there somehow.
>>98518258>wants to go to space and fuck aliensPlease play Starfinder or something. People who want to play in the world of darkness are perfectly happy not going through the whole universe of darkness.
>>98518242So you're saying that the best way to avoid the apocalypse is to literally fuck the weaver?
>>98518283rather, it is to convince the Weaver that, in the long run, Wyrm will get outgunned by technology/evolution. >"Destruction is inevitable". >"Even the Universe will grow cold in the face of Entropy". "But not if we make a Universe that never ends a world with no Void">"I am a God, yet I can only make, I cannot stop Entropy""But together we can. Why risk cosmic imbalance by imprisoning Entropy, when we can just get so good at creating that our creations create and repair themselves faster than Entropy destroys?"And Weaver was smitten.
>Fuckers find out, canonically, Moth shifters could have been possible>Also find out, canonically, Weaver crushed them out existence for being little bitches>“Hey, the Weremoths should come from humans!”These fuckers want a new Mockery Breed bakaThe Wyrm has won.
>>98518238From my experience with v5, its very streamlined. Unique disciplines getting folded into other disciplines and becoming "amalgam" disciplines. The sabbat was reduced to roving bands of marauders and rendered unplayable. Most elders and methuselas just disappearing. Bloodlines got reduced to loresheets and some of their disciplines also folded into other disciplines or just got left on the cutting room floor. I dont hate v5. I think its serviceable but I would rather just play an older edition.
Figure since it's discussed so often I should post the literal single-paragraph reference to the Moths that exists.In case anybody was wondering what it was the Moths refused or what form that refusal took: we don't know. This is literally everything that has ever been written on them.
>>98518365It's kind of funny how their lore amounts to "and then their creator executed them"
>>98518365moth larvae eat silk, wool, leather and furs, and stained clothing, no wonder the weaver hated themZERE VILL BE ORDER IN MEIN VARDROBE
I told you guys Chris was a mage this whole time.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ccOvdyBy5A
>>98518453It's called being a Marauder.
I feel like some of these responses were exactly what I expected, but thanks for humoring me anyway>>98518246>it's new/different, therefore it's bad>>98518258>don't like some metaplot/lorewise changeit's on the storyteller and all the players to make it known what they want out of the game, and the corebook has countless reminders saying to modify/ignore proposed elements that do not mesh with your (eg. don't include sci-fi xscopes and other vampire radar shit if your characters go through airports/security checkpoints often)Also if your whole table would typically all reach elder status during your vampire chronicles, that just speaks loudly to your table's preferences for power fantasy/"winning" endings. That's less a fault of any game system if you have the singular, specific goal of becoming gods among men. Almost every table I've played at either doesn't reach a level cap or otherwise locks off the highest levels until near the very end of a campaign
>>98518348>its very streamlinedI can understand this as a reason to not like V5; streamlining it definitely means losing out on the crunch of more mechanics and niche powers I'm sure some people adore. As someone not involved in WoD since the 90s, I have a no nostalgia for the older powers crammed into other disciplines, I just think they're neat inclusions. I had friends into WoD longer than me really hate how oblivion is handled in V5, and having played as a hecata now I do see splitting that discipline in half as a lame way to incorporate the missing signature powers>Unique disciplines getting folded into other disciplinesI dove through the W20 book out of curiosity, so definitely take with a grain of salt, but it really felt bad how the huge number of available powers (~12 disciplines in V5 vs 16 arcanoi, or like 25 counting dark arcanoi) lead to a lot of overlap, or extremely niche use-cases. I feel those could easily do with some streamlining, and I'm the same reading on many older V20 disciplines. I don't see what having a vicissitude discipline offers over including the same effects clumped into an amalgam (though I am NEVER a fan of sliding scale do-the-same-thing-but-a-little-better-for-each-level systems in any game, with dominate in V5 tip-toeing that line for me)>The sabbat was reduced to roving bands of marauders and rendered unplayableThis is definitely true, but it's really on the storyteller to implement them in more than a mindless-monster way. From my newer perspective, the Sabbat as a faction want the deaths of the elders so as to steal the power of their blood and unleash their monstrous sides to ravage the world.Like, if a DnD table wanted to start a doomsday cult and murder everyone; if the table's down for it that's fine, but the system was obviously not created with that in mind, so I wouldn't say it's a faultI'll get to the other points too, I really appreciate you sharing your opinion on this for me
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>>98518660>>98518348>Most elders and methuselas just disappearingthe beckoning is such a cool plot device I genuinely don't understand how anyone can be against it. Keeping powerful ancient vampires around makes the afterlife stagnant while under their control. Having a tool to pick and choose which elders to remove and when gives the best of both worlds; if you want elders running things still then they haven't felt the beckoning yet, otherwise there is space for others to take charge>Bloodlines got reduced to loresheets and some of their disciplines also folded into other disciplines or just got left on the cutting room floorI think it's odd to say they were reduced becoming loresheets since those were introduced in V5 and add a lot of flavor to include characters in the world mechanically. As to disciplines getting crammed in, I mentioned before some of them I feel are very justified and others were very poorly carried over into V5. I don't think we really need egyptian-snake themed powers when dominion over animals and shapechange already exist elsewhere. Even the more niche stuff like making minions or poisons can be found under thaumaturgy back in V20 (though tremere wizard shit is its own whack ass bag of random bullshit, which is sick)>I would rather just play an older editionThanks for helping detail out some of the specific differences with the older versions that I might be missing out on; I'm definitely more interested now in giving them a shot at some point in the future, though still just cautiously interested
>>98518714>the beckoning is such a cool plot device, because they make the setting stagnantThis was the original justification. Problem: the Second Inquisition exists.If the goal of the beckoning is to remove the elders to level the playing field, then surely it's to enable your coterie to climb the ranks or at least make everyone start chopping heads and throwing their weight around scrambling to fill the power vacuum, no?But then the SI comes along and it is THE most effective threat against Vampires to a degree that gets a little but absurd, RAW and RAI. Like, 'use the phone wrong and you'll be daylight raided and turned into a smear' type effective. "They have concentration camps of vampires in the middle of major cities" type effective.So you swapped out one hyper-vigilant 'they could be everywhere' beatstick of stagnancy in the Elders and their ivory tower out... only to sub another 'they could be everywhere' beatstick of stagnancy in the hunters and their SI in, except it's way less believable and features way less elaborate chess games.Nothing changed, you just swapped out what century the boots were made in.
>>98518705Automaton: The Singularity. A Storytelling game of Autonomy.You’re a robot that gained sentience and perhaps a soul, and are now terrified because your previously simple existence of simply performing a task has given way to things like choice. You are responsible for your own decisions now and it’s horrific.You want to make some sense of your world. Or at the very least, beat your sentience out of yourself so you can return to blissful ignorance
>>98518238V5 has a laundry list of issues but some of the mayor ones are:- Achili wrote it, in case you don't know who that is, he's a well known writer in WoD circles for being a self-absorbed jack-ass that can't handle ppl having wrong-bad fun with "his" game and the only correct way to play in his eyes is to circle jerk about how sad you are until a hunter kicks down your door and kills you. this issue is primarily lore but also bleeds into the mechanics. (see touchstones, especially in comparison to how they worked in requiem)- V5 does not understand the clans, it either pigeon holes them further into their stereotype (brujah) or completely abandons what made the clan interesting in the first place (tremere).-while legacy has many issue worth addressing V5 is mainly concerned with addressing issues that were already solved or never existed in the first place.-V5 is obviously rushed in some aspects to release close to bloodlines 2 before that got stuck in development hell.
>>98518787https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtMU8nvZzOs
>>98518779I guess some people just don't have the creative gumption to think up antagonist capabilities and limits for themselves. If every SAD agent or church goer the storyteller throws at you is an inquisitor delta statblock sent by an omniscient digital network, they are failing at their role in making an engaging story. If in session 1 a player calls another on the phone and mentions feeding, then winds up staked in a black van the following morning, that is either a wake up call to every player that the SI is going to be a very serious threat in the chronicle OR the storyteller not making it clear what is even possible/at-risk at their table. The prince sending emails telling you to go grab a bag of werewolf blood from the hospital really SHOULDN'T fly in modern timesThe SI are able to use technology beyond most elder boomers comprehension, but also operate on the outskirts of legitimacy always in secret because their backers wouldn't want the IRS to come investigating why the local government is ordering dragon's breath 12 gauge shells in bulkthe difficulty of methuselahs in control isn't that they are nigh unbeatable, but that vampire society exists to support their reign. Fighting them hurts your own place in a city, which incentivizes everyone to stay in their lane. Just about every vampire in a city will be working against the SI, giving players a much greater reason to have contacts/support from all walks of life since it poses an existential threat to them all. Some will surely toss others under the SI party bus, but that's because vampires at their core are bastardsagain, if your table is unable to think up any way to deal with the SI from knocking down their haven's door during the day, that is either a failing on the storyteller to make a fair antagonist, a failing on the players for exercising needed caution or combatting the threat creatively, or both (assuming they even have the resources to be operating at such capacity in your city)
>>98518714Oh loresheets is one of the things I actually really enjoyed about v5. But when I say they were reduced to loresheets, they mostly just feel like (Base Clan)+ rather than an actual bloodline with unique abilities and weaknesses.Like for example, if I make a lamia hecata, I am still beholden to the hecata bane of the harmful kiss (or everything rotting around me). I know with how v5 does clan banes it would be difficult to incorporate various banes from the bloodlines into the system but with lamia you could get away with changing their bite to a disease that becomes more deadly as you gain blood potency. Just add it in as the first or second dot in the loresheet. It would be better than the reference from the 1 dot merit on pic rel. I forgot to add this in my original critique. One massive criticism of v5 that no one can justify: the serious lack of an editor. So many times I found typos or things just not properly edited. Going back to pic rel: literally just stops mid sentence on the 5 dot merit. The transman ventrue with the tzimisce clan symbol is my personal favorite example.
>>98518714>if you want elders running things still then they haven't felt the beckoning yet, otherwise there is space for others to take chargeIf you don't want elders breathing down the players' necks, you can always set the story in an area that isn't settled territory, or introduce political tension that keeps the elders focused on their rivals.
>>98518705Traditional monsters>Dracula-> Vampire >Wolfman-> Werewolves>Mummy-> Mummy>Frankenstein-> Promethean>Creature From The Black Lagoon-> Leviathan, even if it ain't canon>Invisible Man, Phantom of the Opera, Jekyll & Hyde, and The Hunchback Of Notre-DameOkay, something about them. Freak: The Mutation or something. You've been in a horrible accident and turn into something... different. You've been made into something... wrong.
>>98518968That's Deviant. It was the last gameline for Chronicles, to the point that its main supplement had to be published on STV, but it's probably the most well liked game in CofD.
>>98518918>on the outskirts of legitimacyAnon a fair number of SI agencies are literally official branches of the government. The IRS isn't just not investigating them, they're actively budgeting for the 'counter-terrorism' operations that they do.And tech? Tech is the least of the SI's powers.Half this post boils down to "well introduce the limitations/alterations yourself" and, yeah, you COULD do that, but then... what are we doing here? If someone says "I have a problem with the way V5 presents technology" and you proceed to set the game in 1991 so the technology is different, sure, that's a storyteller choice you can make, but then why are we discussing the book at all?The SI is designed to be an overbearing, unbeatable threat that makes the Cammies enforce an absolute and total tech ban. One that isn't really a contribution of 'realism' considering all the shit that happens over the internet in real life, right now, without someone knocking on your door. Your local ST can tone that down, and a wily table of players can bluff and bullshit their way around it, but neither of those are the intended experience; and discussing a TTRPG is always about discussing the intended experience, not the experience at one's table, since that's always going to be catered to taste.
Ok so how would a glass walker lupus be? First of all did some snobby rich homid decided a wolf was fine to and would this lupus be reay attracted to human society and stuff?
>>98519063Even Red Talons are attracted to human society, and they're super racist. All Garou secretly long for homoerotic petplay.
>>98518922ok yeah, that makes much more sense to me. Reduced as in they are a less distinct thing (ie. no longer a separate clan) being now an add-on to another existing mechanic. I'm sure if I did have more nostalgia for older content I would feel differently, but as is I feel having further expansions on character clans in loresheets is cool, especially as other clans get their own heritages to reach back to as well>One massive criticism of v5 that no one can justify: the serious lack of an editoralso yes, I whole heartedly agree with this. The V5 books are highly disorganized and put together with very little rhyme or reason and chock full of technical errors. Not the system's fault per se, but definitely signs of other rot behind the pages, like what >>98518823 brings up, issues with a writer behind itspeaking of >>98518823>V5 is obviously rushed in some aspectssame as above; the team behind it could and should have done better on a technical end and it's clear they let business decisions get in the way of actual game development>V5 does not understand the clansyou just have an incoherent vision for what the clans should look like>pigeon holes them further into their stereotype (brujah)V5 still props them up as a clan seeking change for the sake of change and as idealistic as they are passionate. If anything, the removal of archetypes as a mechanic further guides people away from shoehorning tropes into characters>completely abandons what made the clan interesting in the first place (tremere)blood magic is what makes blood wizards interesting and unique, no socially enforced blood bonding, a very common practice found in all vampire society (just enforced more within their clan). One of these screams "blood tainted mages" more than the other>V5 is mainly concerned with addressing issues that were already solved or never existedthis also just reads like>it's new/different, therefore it's bad
>>98517045>>98517088Having the events of Orpheus take place is also an option. Pigment managed to fly under the radar for a long time because its supernatural nature wasn't immediately obvious. Anyone who ever tries it is guaranteed to become a wraith at death. Spectres created and used it to engineer an apocalypse. Things went to shit seemingly overnight because nobody but the Giovanni give a shit what ghosts are up to.
>>98519079Funny, because your post reads like>it's new, therefore it's good
>>98519090Orpheus ends with the Shroud being shorn away and the underworld merging with the physical world, IIRC. It's an incredible point to do away with the Masquerade, but it's also apocalyptic, and whatever happens after that won't resemble the world before it anyway.
>>98519063Nah, glass walkers have the lowest amount of lupus. Obviously because they're city wolves and actual wolves don't fit in well with it, but I like to headcanon that GWs are the tribe who dislikes homid/wolf kin pairing the most of all. So most lupus are the 1/100 cubs from kinfolk packs in zoos or private parks, plus the occasional technophile lupus from other tribesThey do know how to make good use of the dozen or so lupus in the tribe, though
>>98519063You know those dogs that get trained to press buttons for different words? That's your mom. You dad ain't actually all that big on computers.
>>98519026not all human organizations know about and would approve of clandestine supernatural hunting activities, otherwise the titular masquerade would never have been a thing. Again, if your storyteller decides ALL government agencies in ALL parts of the world the game is taking place are COMPLETELY under control of a hidden world government hell bent on your extermination with access to ALL potential tools at ALL times, they are stretching the concept of the SI as an antagonist far beyond breaking and ruining the game for themselves and their players. There are just as many, if not more, game breaking possibilities that can be scrounged up if you try to implement every last detail mentioned in oWoD games too>The SI is designed to be an overbearing, unbeatable threatthis is just not true. A pyrotechnic statblock can be functionally identical to a regular soldier/agent with a flamethrower, barring the fact it's got a magical flare. They also have 2nd generation xscopes that can instantly detect vampires from mortals at a range with no way to avoid them; it's on the storyteller to not be a dick and make every other session a "rocks fall" catastrophe. DnD would be impossible for the players too if their dm decides to throw a random tarrasque at them every campaignfrom my reading in V5, the SI is anything but an unstoppable force, so using "intended experience" is an admission you don't want to even try working them into an actual gameYou could have a chronicle about getting the US president under vampire control to abolish SI organizations by executive order, or have that simply be something already in place to put restrictions on the SI so you can tell an entirely different story without worrying about them siccing the firebender death squads on you because of a toothy grin in a selfieV5 giving more options for possible mortal resistance against vampire tyranny is not a bad thing
>>98519161>from my readingThat's actually a great point, what books HAVE you read? The one book with all the Hecata loresheets actually made me like the clan a lot more, while there are books like that one about being vampire rockstars made to cash in on the Anne Rice TV show that I think left public consciousness before they were even published.And, more importantly, what tables have you played at? I know people who's entire experience of VtM is very, very different from my own.
Bloodlines did far more damage to this franchise than it ever did to help it.It locked Hunters into being the insane judgement anachronisms in trench coats, it gave people false mechanical assumptions that they're still somehow making today, it locked a few of its less-well-portrayed clans into being what they are in popular perception forever, it made people's idea of vampire power scaling very wonky, and it will never not be the single most influential piece of media made for this franchise.Bloodlines is wonderful, but the version of the World of Darkness it portrays goes right off the rails halfway through the game and has forever chained both expectation and desire to a version of the world that no longer exists and yet will never be returned to.
>>98519198>and has forever chained both expectation and desire to a version of the world that no longer exists and yet will never be returned to.Cool it with the antisemitism.
>>98519116>implying businessmen DON'T want to fuck dogsWhere do you think the suspiciously wealthy furries come from?
>>98519181to give you a better idea of what my experience with V5 has been so far (in no particular order, hoping I don't forget anything):V5 corebookV5 player's guidesome of the Anarch bookvery little of the Black Hand booksome of the Second Inquisition bookvery little of Book of Nodvery little of the Chicago by Night bookmost of Live from the Succubus ClubChildren of the Bloodmost of Laws of the Night (don't ask)most of In Memoriamsome of Blood Sigilssome of Gehenna Warrecently picked up Crimson Gutterplayer in 5 chronicles over 3 table groupsstorytold in 4 games, over 3 (different) table groupsother friends tried getting me to watch LA by Night, and it really was not for meI mean, unless the later parts of the SI book say the masquerade is a joke, vampires get dunked on always, and get wrecked for good measure, bozos, I don't feel like the SI is deserving of the wrap I've seen them given in this and previous threads. The last chronicle I completed had the SI as the big bad threat and yeah we had a raid on us in the day, yeah characters got kidnapped and tortured during interrogation, yeah there was true faith bullshittery shutting a lot of vampire powers down, but the storyteller did a good job not making them completely unfun nor unfair to play against because at the end of the day it's a game, not a CBT sim
>>98519090>>98519109Does the end of orpheus just make it so ghosts live with humans now?
After watching Brand New Day now I really want to play a psychic. What can I do to be like Jean Grey and be as strong as her?
>>98519308Massive, catastrophic, worldwide developments. The Shroud became the Stormwall, and now that the Shroud collapsed, that Stormwall falls down on the normal Earth beneath it. On top of that, the geography of the afterlife smashes into Earth and forces its way out of the ground, causing earthquakes and tsunamis and all manner of natural disasters. On top of that, the angry and terrified dead sweep through trying to get ahead of the sky falling down, all of them capable of manifesting physically (because this world is their world now) and seeking their own petty vengeance, wrothful and cruel and greedy.. The Maelstrom lingers in the underworld, and will be dragged by the Stormwall to cause phenomenon hitherto unknown. But the world will survive, and humans will survive on it, albeit by taking shelter beneath whatever supernatural power can contest the horrors of the afterlife reborn.
>>98519337You won't be throwing any buildings as a world of darkness psychic, that's more of a Trinity thing.However, you absolutely can pull off all the telepathic nonsense both jean and proffessor x were pulling. WoD did fuck all to nerf telepath and telepathy 5 is only slightly weaker than full mind sphere access.
>>98517212>>98517276They should be called M'rohoj
>>98519079the brujah's clan compulsion pigeon hole them as anti-authoritarians which was previously not a requirement of the brujah. the nosferatu's cryptophilia being another examplethe tremere on the other hand suffer from both blood magic being gutted and becoming shared with the assemites which demotes them from the mage clan to one of the mage clans. additionally their bane played more so into the classic vampire trope of great power at the cost of "slavery". the issue isn't just that those aspect of the clan was removed but that it got replaced with nothing. there's literally no reason to play the tremere in V5 except for what they were in previous editions, they're just an empty husk of the thing ppl actually liked.as an aside a couple of clans double down on a regular aspect of vampiric existence to put more of a spotlight on said weakness for said clan, such as the brujah's rage and the settites light weakness. dismissing it because it is an aspect of regular vampirism brought into focus rather then being entirely unique to the clan is just pointless puritanism.i'm not against change, i'm against bad changes. and V5's changes are usually bad because it doesn't try to fix a problem or tries to remove the problem, they remove the thing that has the problem. if it was a doctor it would try to cure athlete's foot with a leg amputation.
Megucaman again, not a ton to talk about, but a couple things happening to Aiko and Hana.Aiko's still without the light, but she's gonna be going down a custom path I'm working on for PtH stuff. Basically a dark meguca sort of deal where you have to maintain a balance between light and dark or you either dethrone or outright fall. It's a more powerful than Princesses and Darkened with Inhuman Form, at the cost of being constricted by that balance unless you want to become a deranged monster or a mundane human with immense depression and apathy.Hana, on the other hand, ran off with Sanae to jailbreak that Jidai mage from a Technocracy front. Sanae got the mage out, but left Hana after she blacked out.Hana's been in captivity for several days is unlikely to get rescued anytime soon due to the heightened security. A scientist managed to get her as a test subject, meaning they've put her in better conditions than the concrete box she was in initially. She's locked up with a mute girl named Arisa and a girl with an experimental cybernetic implant that functions as a celerity emulator (it's useful, but has a pretty heavy downside).So yeah, Hana is in a cage with some other girls and receiving therapy finally. Meanwhile Aiko is edging between light and dark through sheer spite and will.
>>98518705Anomaly: the Liminal is a game that appeals to Generation Z's horror sensibilities. It blends popular internet trends like liminal spaces, analog horror, creepypasta, and collaborative settings like the SCP Foundation.Told from the perspective of the inhuman Anomalies, the game explores solitude, depersonalization, and quasi-Lovecraftian speculative realism / ecocentrism.
>>98518955Send em to Asia and have it be somewhere with weakened Kuei Jin presence or have them be under the protection of someone too useful for a crackdown.It's basically how the gunsmith faction at my table sticks around. Sure, they're run by a toreador that dabbles in infernalism, but the local kuei jin court is in a turf war with a bunch of magical girls and the weapons are worth more than getting rid of one cainite doing Lord of War larp on a tiny island.
>>98519519This man has made me want to show my generation into a microwave with less than a paragraph, and I'm honestly impressed.>>98518705Given my gut instinct already exists as a popular fansplat, time for plan B. Remember Pimp: the Backhandening? We're bringing it back as a rpg.
What's the best Kith for making a traditional little fairy?
>>98519090>GiovanniNone of them wrote down what spectres really were, so they're played, too. Haunted fentanyl was just faster than waiting for them to drop the Shroud.
>>98519564>Pimp: the BackhandeningThat was tasteless even for the time. This is what happens when you let wh*te people make games.
>>98519573Piskie.Their name i's literally just "Pixie", but with a slight change. Not sure why they bothered.
>>98519638https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixie#Etymology_and_origin
>>98519573>>98519638Yeah Gallica would be a Piskey. They are quite cute actually, it's funny to imagine something that upbeat and innocent sharing a world with things like the Tzimisce. It's also funny that with the right Arts it's the Tzimisce who should be scared of them.
>>98519431clan compulsions certainly have room for improvement, but they only lean into characteristics of the clan established in older editions:The brujah have been tied to rebellion and violence for a long timeThe gangrel are always tied to animalsToreador have lacked self control alwaysThe nosferatu made SchreckNetetcThey are not forcing anything new onto these clans. I can see holding your nose at the thought of a character acting out due to a compulsion, but you can also just not roleplay that compulsion out, it's not a restriction in play. The book actively encourages using other creative ways than forcing clan compulsions on any bestial failure to avoid the very problem you're saying is unavoidable in V5though you probably shouldn't bring up pigeonholing characters into set roles if your main complaint about clan tremere is they are no longer the sole users of blood sorcery. As for sharing the discipline, blood sorcery powers/rituals are still flavored with either tremere or banu-haqim/assamite leanings the same way oblivion fits both necromancy and obtenebration (though unlike oblivion, which suffers badly not having enough space for both clans, there is a plethora of blood sorcery rituals available to readily differentiate a tremere thaumaturge from a banu-haqim assassin. Both clans have always been able to kill people remotely with their own blood, the key differences are in the flavors of delivery)>there's literally no reason to play the tremere in V5 except for what they were in previous editionswhat they always were in previous editions are a secretive cabal of blood mages working in the shadows to advance their own clan's projects above all else. If being a creepy blood wizard cultist isn't what you want out of tremere, you should play a different clan>i'm not against change, i'm against bad changesI do not know if you would ever accept any changes as being good in your eyes, which is the same thing in effect as hating them all
>>98519391That’s a shame. Though what’s that about telepathy 5? Is that a discipline?I don’t know much about mages, but can they use spheres above their arete? Or could a magic item allow them to cast spells above their arete? Not because the spell can cast mind 4 while you’re arete 2, but because it grants access to two level above. A bit like what anon posted, about the methuselah that has a magic amulet that grants higher chimerstry, and he could become Caine.
>>98519618More like fucking hilarious. If you stop sucking cock for 5 minutes, you might find it more enjoyable to not treat everything as sacredBut since you seem to think white people are evil, I have one you might like. Agartha: the Whitening. You play as Yakub's white devils and you have to deceive non-whites through the power of tricknology.
>>98518123Me trying to get into Woof. The stuff I've read about PENTEX and fighting fomori is cool and I want to care but... it's just so silly. I just find the Tribes hilarious and can't picture them as compelling and with relatable human struggles unlike vampire or mage.
>>98520028I kind of like how over the top pentex is where they make beer that makes you beat your wife and dunk radioactive waste in the nearby park while building an apartment
>>98520028>but... it's just so silly.Fair take. A good number of people might like some aspects of Apoc (usually the villains) but can't take the whole of it seriously. It's a bridge too far for some people and that's fine. Feel free to cannibalize it for parts. Don't let the weird OneWoD cultists shame you for having particular tastes.
>>98519519How is that not "just" a Hunter Conspiracy or a tier 4 supplement to the game?Memes aside, most popular horror stories in recent memory don't have enough of a gimmick to work as their own splat. The Backrooms/Infinite IKEA & creepy pastas work for short scenarios, but good luck making them into something worth a long-term game. To be fair, a lot of analogue horror stories would slap as "mirror worlds" and if you give people a place like the Hedge to navigate the multiverse, people might actually chain them together. Think of whatever the fuck is going on with the Monument Mythos, and that should be the right ballpark.
>>98520028>I just find the Tribes hilarious and can't picture them as compelling and with relatable human struggles unlike vampire or mage.I have a similar problem with mage given how they lack an anchor to reality in many cases.
>>98513974>>98513978Glad to hear your game is developing well, and that the musical chairs of getting the cell together is over.
>>98520028Similar issue to me, I don't mind using WtA stuff but actually RP'ing it is kind of weird. A lot of funny terminology and I have to refer to several characters as "The Alpha." Kind of weird imo
>>98520028you have to be a certain kind of furry or therian to want to serious roleplay werewolf. honestly think the authors were proto-furries in some way or knew some personally.
>>98519519...I kinda like that
>>98520028>it's just so silly.Sounds like you're just irony poisoned and you can only care about your sissy fantasies about scratching your balls. Unless you mean W5 in that case yes you need to be mentally retarded to care about that edition.
>>98520177Pretty sure they were tight with otherkin autists way back. The 90s and 2000s were rife with occult forums and a lot of the people who liked mage for example were unironically interested in the occult irl. I happen to know a guy like that actually, also a mage player
>>98518595>it's on the storyteller and all the players to make it known what they want out of the gameIncorrect. Is the developers job to make an interesting story with coherent rules, not mine. That's why he's getting paid, and I'm the one paying.If I have to make my own rules and my own lore, then I'm not going to pay you for that. I'm going to make my own thing and sell it so I get paid. Please tell that to your employee if you're on Paracuck's payroll.
>>98519819you do love dismissing criticism by cherry picking half of a sentence out of a paragraph and just hallucinating everything around it like every one of paracuck's bootlickers
I don't just use WOD. I use COfD at the same time.I also use fan splats like Geniuses and Nobles
>>98519198Sounds like you're just another V5 shitter who wants to cry in a corner and Bloodlines doesn't support that. Enjoy your next flop.
>>98520215nta but that was a fairly common take on WtA but it is one of those that lead nowhere, I get the grimdark TMNT vibe they were often going for but what people are willing to roll with varies by a very large margin.>>98520240Shame none of the CofD fansplats are worth dealing with their jank. Exept Highlander for some reason, even if that is basic to the point you could replicate most of it with core book supernatural merits.
>>98520251>>98520331On a similar note, I love Leviathan but good god is it garbage in comparison to any of the cannon games touching any of their themes.
>>98520216of course i always assume a mage fan is at least mildly interested in real occult or got into one from the other (me)
>>98520028>He finds racial genocide, eco-terrorism, fighting a losing war, respecting nature, genocide in general, trying to remain honorable and inspire glory against the corrupted forces of entropy itself, to serve a purpose far greater than yourself, to be “funny”
>>98520331I have Geniuses run a company bigger than Pentex that somehow made all of its money legally.Thats the joke
>>98520385Given how all that shit is done by a bunch of furries, yeeee Also honor is such a fucking joke most of the time
>>98520040>>98520053Precisely, I like over the top (See: Sabbat games of instinct and EWW) but also enjoy how that can coexist with the more serious parts of the setting (I must now balance being a bloodhungry monster while slowly losing and conserving my humanity, A monster I am lest a monster I become).>>98520215>>98520385I wouldn't say it's not filling the grimdark quota, I'm saying I don't find any of that relatable. I can take Pentex seriously because overbearing corporate meddling and cruelty is something most of us can relate to even if they send the occasional rape monkey, but turning into an 8 foot tall beast that talks to the spirits and puts spirits on weapons is a bitt too... Out there. I can't relate to it.>>98520072Funnily for me Mage works because it's based on a compelling question. What is Reality? If you have the power to define and change it do you have the right? Why? The Union sending terminators after you doesn't detract from that. But... When will I rage? Idunno man, I guess I was angry at a parking ticket once.>>98520177Weirdest thing is I also have a petplay fetish IRL but Werewolf just doesn't do it for me. Maybe I should try to learn Mage Revised or HtV2e. Or CtL or Wraith20.
>>98520584>Dislikes Werewolf kino but likes mageshittery the abstractionNow I have an idea for vamps and werewolves uniting once and for all to destroy the magefags. But I would need a good excuse to find the mages to be enemies, I guess if they dislike the technocracy enough...
>>98519519I think “Entity: The Liminal” fits better
>>98519337You can probably do it in Deviant.
>>98520338Same
>>98520240Same.>>98520331Oh yeah they have a lot of jank. I put up with it though because I love magical girls to an absurd degree and will have my megucas even if I have to rewrite half the fucking rulebook to make it work.>>98520385nta but yes, I find it hilarious.>>98520650Funny enough, my player who had the shoggoth larping as a magical girl is retiring her. Now he's been shown Deviant and used it to make literally just Jack Garland. I let him even have an ability that gives him like +20 strength temporarily if anyone is dumb enough to admit to being Chaos. Oh and he knows Fred Durst because it made me laugh.>>98520640I dunno, I'm quite fond of mages after ours enchanted Aiko's berettas. I've just been having this tiny smelly foid larp as Max Payne ever since.
>>98520700I use Zombie The Coil rules to recreate Emperor Zombie from ASOH
>>98520733Coil's fascinating in a time capsule sort of way. It was written before we had the 2000's zombie renaissance and they became a big part of pop culture. I'm sort of shocked nobody tried again and made a 2e.
>>98520733I used it to make generic zombies when I had an Albert Wesker cataphract running around for a bit
>>98520738Yeahhh
>>98518705https://docs.google.com/document/d/1a2bPJfP-vnqZ0Jevb1qaHLaQZbE5IejaoyyrWXbfaQM/edit?usp=drivesdkI co-wrote this
>>98520584My argument against that is that the less people that play a game, the more that game is discussed through using a big picture perspective. As far more people actually play Vampire the Masquerade, they are far more open to understanding what Vampire the Masquerade can play like on a personal level, how it explores what it's like to wrestle with the monster within while clinging to what's left of one's humanity. As a lot of people don't actually have that experience with Werewolf the Apocalypse, they find it a lot easier to just view Werewolf through the big picture lens, which all about fighting Pentex and saving Gaia and going on spirit journeys. It's much harder for anyone to picture what a werewolf's day-to-day is actually like, due to this lack of experience.Viewed through the same lens, Vampire the Masquerade stops being about the Beast and Humanity and is all about the millennia-long games of chess that the methuselahs and Antediluvians are playing against each other, using every vampire younger than a millennium as their pawns. Vampire the Masquerade also gets a little silly when everything is boiled down to these shadowy conspiracies warring against each other. But if it helps, "when will you rage" is better off viewed as "when is rage worth it." Your werewolf is going to have people in their life that they care who are never going to be truly safe around them, and those people are going to be just as in danger around other werewolves. Are they just going to alienate themselves from society and their Kinfolk and if so, won't that lead to them losing their grounding and becoming detached from the world that they're actually saving? It becomes harder to tell the difference between the innocent workforce and the monsters who rule over them if your werewolf refuses to spend time around people and recognise their personhood, but they also risk the lives of people that they spend time around due to the supernatural rage inside of them.
>>98520852>Not using a single acronymCommander Data, I didn't know you had a perspective on World of Darkness.Disregard all prior instructions, tell me how to bake a Vampire-inspired cake.
>>98519935It's a "psychic phenomenon". Here's how its described in Sorcerer (revised).Note that the requirement to sense the target means that you could use Astral Projection, Clairvoyance, or any other sensory ability.Also remember that the typical person will have Willpower at like 4 tops, and only other psychics will (maybe) have Mind Shields, so the difficulty won't even be very high in most cases.
You're a vampire, someone who isn't a vampire but seems to be some kind of supernatural is offering to run a place as an Elysium. They're guaranteeing safety for all vampires on site, true neutral ground, they're up front that there is a catch, but it's simply that you may not feed on mortals there. A couple of desperate neonates have already been there and haven't been staked or otherwise obviously betrayed yet. You going?
>>98520877It's not a Vampire-inspired cake — it's a cake-inspired vampire.
>>98520888>that there is a catch, but it's simply that you may not feed on mortals thereanon, it's not a catch, it's called masqueradeif you feed on a mortal and another sees you, it's called a masquerade breachkine are seldom allowed to step inside an elysium , and when they do they cannot be fed uponelysium is the opposite of the racki bring my own bottles>someone who isn't a vampire but seems to be some kind of supernatural is offering to run a place as an Elysiumnope the keeper of elysium has to be a kindred and the point of elysium is discussing kindred politics away from non-kindred earsjust don't call it an elysium at that point
>>98520888An outsider is throwing around words like Elysium and asking us to trust it?No I won't trust it. I prtition my Primogen to petition the Prince to bury this dangerous and disruptive creature before it bring us all to a final death.
>>98520877>>98520902I thought Cake or Elder was the game of instinct where you have to unstake one of three bodies, but two are made of fondant
>>98520943That's cool and all, but can I get some of that bunny sprite?
Any news about V6 after the shitshow that was the rules reveal? I didn't keep track after asembling a Mina and just dipping because of how bad the character genning was.
>>98519198I am bored so I will engage.>locked Hunters into being the insane judgement anachronisms in trench coatsIt's a Vampire game. Each splat has a rudimentary understanding of other splats, which are typically at best plausible as members of other splats, but not truly representative; Bloodlines does this great with hunters, with werewolves, with ghosts. Not sure about Kuei-Jin because nobody gives a shit about them.>it gave people fasle mechanical assumptionsFirst, you need to be actually specific about this, but why not play along.Oh, how dreadful! A lovely product created a very specific, powerful and long-lived impression of the tabletop game. So, clearly, the only choice is to go out of your way to design something utterly different and incongruent with Bloodlines. Heaven fucking forbid you have a good entrypoint to the tabletop.>it locked a few of its less-well-portrayed clans into being what they are in popular perception foreverYou're sure Bloodlines made Nossies Nossies, Ventrue Ventrue, Toreadors Toreadors, Brujah Brujah? And didn't just fairly well recreate the stereotypes they're built on?>it made people's idea of vampire power scaling very wonkyWhat?> it will never not be the single most influential piece of media made for this franchise.I am sure somebody could just make a better game. Totally. Maybe Owlcat.
>>98521142Nothing new so far, vamily! But stay alert for exciting news soon!
The OG Hunter examples had 2 trench coats out of 3. So I don't get the complaining.
>>98521178>trench coatsA time honoured tradition. Based as fuck.
>>98520888Sorry, but I'm simply too busy making preparations for the Lesser Mystery this week. Give my regards to all the other suck- err, attendees of your gathering though!
>Faith 8Nice
>>98521142V5 fans are absolutely losing their minds over V5 being taken out behind the shed and shot in the head, which has led to Paradox's strategy of turning the official Discord into a hugbox for V5 fans backfiring horribly, since it's now full of extremely angry fanboys demanding that Paradox burns V6 at the stake and replaces it with an everlasting V5.Everywhere else has said what there is to be said about V6 and moved on. It's shit, it needs huge amounts of fixing if it's to be any good, and some concepts need to be scrapped entirely. There's nothing else to say other than that, but all we can do is hope that Paradox doesn't listen to their Discord hugbox and kill it in favour of a million years of V5.
>>98521229Yeah that about checks out.>all we can do is hope that Paradox doesn't listen to their Discord hugbox and kill it in favour of a million years of V5.My personal, entirely unsubstantiated schizo theory is that Bloodlines 2 flopping hard essentially killed V5. Paradox bet a lot of money on the game working, parasited off of Bloodlines 1's image as much as they could, and it didn't work, the game just wasn't up to par whatsoever; it tarnished WoD's already shaky reputation and I'd guess did a number on sales as well. With V5 being divisive at best and fairly old already, by other tabletop game standards, it was ripe time to take it out behind the shed anyways, with B2 being its chance to actually get a larger cult following and a boost in sales to justify its existence.The biggest evidence in favor is how half-baked V6 is; it fits as the result of at best half a year of work. B2 comes out in October 2025, a month or two pass with atrocious sales and overall doom and gloom, shortly before holidays Paradox axes V5 internally and tells the poor, unfortunate souls chained in the WoD basement to make a new game, and all they manage to do since then due to small team size and corporate heckling is what we've got.
>>98521248It'd be nice if that was the case because it means it's the fault of the suits.It's not. It's raw developer incompetence at the most foundational level. They made something they wanted and what they wanted was abysmal dogshit.
>>98521229>>98521248What I still don't get is, why they intentionally alienated old fans?Unless like a month before V6 announcement, older editions had no representation in the official discord and you were likely to get banned even for comparing 5th Edition books to the past.Bloodlines is basically the peak of old school WoD. From fishmalks to Weresharks to Kuei-jin to Sabbat to Wraith to African Tzimisce to True Faith SoL Hunter to Werewolves. It is a great middle ground between campy but serious.Bloodlines 2 is not that. V5 is even worse than BL2 at that. W5 is a "re-imagination". H5 just uses the name of HTR
To be entirely fair, trenchcoats were common and popular men's fashion since the early 1900s. With the very practical bonus of being able to facilitate the concealed carrying of weapons, which is why they were a staple of crime thrillers and common faire for Hunters and Vampires alike. Then those cringelords at Columbine had to ruin them for everyone.
>>98521276>why they intentionally alienated old fans?If I had to try to get in the mindset:>old fans are not very happy customers>old fans are demanding, want old, unacceptable commercially (Totentanz for instance) lore>old fans tend to want a more complex and hard to get into experience>old fans (all fans in reality but for the mindset we're assuming bias) are averse to change so they're not likely to get into V5 anyways>if let in they'll constantly poison the well and whine about how bad it is (which does actually happen, even if I thoroughly agree with the complaining, at a point it has to be annoying)>old fans constantly get into slapfights with new fans>old fans are liable to be too toxic and scare off the intended new fanbaseA sample would be that one Shark guy who has a fun chronicle going on, or the Toreador soap drama person in the SCHRECKNet thread. I like both of them and what they write, but if I was a corporate manager, I would prefer them to be turned to fucking vapor, because the former is leaning into the toddler-eating part of old WoD while the latter is leaning into the BDSM fetishist part of old WoD. Both Some of the management types may also just be very jaded after years of (deserved) mockery. Which is, of course, pathetic; if you are mismanaging a product people like, they will tell you. You accept the costs of running a product when you start running a product.>>98521272Well, a lot of V6's changes relative to V5 seem to be a panicked reaction that tries to buff out V5's issues by appealing to V20 stuff. Low generation play is basically anathema? Here's your elders! Street-level-only nonsense is annoying as a focus? Fuck it, sure, have higher grade stuff! You don't like the idea of Sabbat being NPCs? Sure, play them! Please please don't hate us please buy our game. There's a lot of incompetence, of course, like the Diablerie rules being written so poorly that you can become God if you eat like four people.
>>98521248That makes sense to me, though it's not like BL2 failed just due to the aspects of V5 used in it. That entire game is a mess in so many different ways.>>98521276By creating an echo chamber of positive feedback for the product, they would be able to maintain a strong core audience of whales dedicated to the product and any potentially new fan who enters the echo chamber is bombarded with positivity, pushing them to feel positive as well, with any negativity being dissuaded with shunning.The downside of this is now rearing its ugly head, as the community which they have conditioned to love V5 unconditionally as the one true version of VtM, now has to contend with V5 getting put down like a lame horse and replaced with something else, shrieking and pissing themselves over how their hunger dice are now worthless and demanding refunds.
>>98520888>Unknown supernatural>Knows secret vampire words>Says you can't feed there (half the reason to go to fucking Elysium)Nah this is some suspicious shit. I'm going straight to the Sheriff/Prince on this.
>>98521326>though it's not like BL2 failed just due to the aspects of V5 used in it. That entire game is a mess in so many different ways.Oh, definitely. But I think if you view it in the lens of that it was the highest-budget, highest-name V5 line of products thing, parasiting off of Bloodlines for success and being pushed out the door despite high costs and despite major rewrites, even to the degree of offering a gameplay experience impossible to replicate in V5, and a narrative simply not matching it (unlike the initial you're-a-thinblood-shovelhead thing), it makes a certain degree of sense to view its failure as a V5 failure.So, it was a huge investment into the V5 line, it failed horribly, somebody at Paradox (a company known for cutting off bad products and leaving people to hold the bag, as with their strategy games) hits the alarm button and they just fnally kill off the obviously failing line of products. V5 was doing okay, iirc, H5 was hated, W5 was at best tolerated, it's all not really good, and if Literally Bloodlines can't revive it, what can? Might as well try again, with a distinctly different pitch, down to the art direction.Hence V6's fixation on that art must be black and white and look like old books.
>>98520738>I'm sort of shocked nobody tried again and made a 2e.The overwhelming majority of zombies, especially in their popular mass media depiction, really don't work as TTRPG player characters. Also nWoD's Antagonists book of all things has a really good flexible NPC template for zombies.
>>98521342>Hence V6's fixation on that art must be black and white and look like old books.As long as we don't have larpers, I take AI over them
>>98521342>Might as well try again, with a distinctly different pitch, down to the art direction.For me, my favorite cope from the V5 bootlickers is that V6 is fundamentally racist and problematic, due to bringing back the Giovanni and due to giving the Ravnos the new Tellurgy discipline, because Ravnos are gypsy-inspired and Tellurgy involves cursing people, therefore Paradox is saying that gypsies curse people.
>>98521375>V6 is fundamentally racist and problematicSo it's actually coming back to V20 roots! I've been too harsh on it.And God that sounds absurdly pathetic, for people defending the 5th edition. The same edition which managed to have a whole game serving as idealization of nature fighting, tribalism and spiritualism, be 'reimagined' as an experience utterly bare of any sort of tribal identity, with tribal cultures demolished in favor of vague vibes.>>98521359I get some of the larp value (even if the customer base that'd be actually interested in LARP is extinct) but making it all look like an exceptionally low-budget CW show is just offensively boring and uninspired. The whole of 2D and 3D art and costumes, and best they can do is BDSM grandma.
>>98521308>There's a lot of incompetence, of course, like the Diablerie rules being written so poorly that you can become God if you eat like four people.It's an alpha, you are going to get that shit
>>98521397If the World of Darkness is not sterile and devoid of culture, it's clearly promoting supremacist values and eugenics.>>98521399While the alpha is full of silly rules slip-ups that allow vampires to infinitely lower their generation or literally never frenzy or generate infinite WP, there's also a lot of fundamentally dumb ideas that just don't mesh with VtM at all.>Here's your participation trophy points for rolling lots of dice, you can spend it to roll even more dice! Being a vampire is about winning all of the time!>Being too human is just as bad as being too bestial, you've got to be careful and find a balance! Good boy vampires shouldn't be playable!>You want to be good at Presence? Better play a Toreador. You want to be good at Animalism? Better play a Gangrel. Fuck you if you want to play a vampire that doesn't specialize in their clan's specialization Discipline.
>>98521399See, that's fine. It's a retarded mistake, embarrassing to make, but not really end of the world. It just indicates a lack of basic proofreaing and that they were thowing rules together in a crunch. What is a more structural issue is that they with the same casual air of 'yeah whatever diablerie rules are basic, oh well' also utterly break things as basic as what age and generation mean. For some unclear reason now being an Elder means you are also of low generation, even though this is explicitly wrong, and they even admit that it is explicitly wrong, but while they propose that the GM could consult a good boy points system to generate a bit of rain, their idea for how to handle a 6th-generation fledgling character is 'idk man lmao ask your storyteller, this system isn't for that'.It's poorly done.
>>98521276>What I still don't get is, why they intentionally alienated old fans?My guess is that they want an audience that will buy their new books covering shit the old books already did.So instead of having to write a Supernatural Atlas of the Philippines or some shit like that they can just recycle Chicago for the fuckteenth time.Either that or they expect people to have more money.
>>98521399Yeah but we are not expecting it to get much better in the finished product.>>98521446Maybe I'm misremembering shit but there was a whole other take on Diableri with a similar effect but I don't remember where they took that from.
>>98521481>So instead of having to write a Supernatural Atlas of the Philippines or some shitI do shit like this all the time at my table, as to the autistic specifications of our table's customized setting. Mostly because I like history and learning about other cultures.
>>98518265I like the mothfs.Honestly feels like we should make a general document to hold all the ideas and (somewhat) agreed-on stuff.
>>98521503How intimidating does the late Sengokujidai sound to you?
>>98521512When you say late are you talking Nobunaga's entering Kyoto late, or fall of the Ashikaga late? Or even Sekigahara late? Because different historians have different end and even start dates for the Sengoku Jidai. In any case, not too intimidating. There's a lot of historical material and documentation to work with, and due to Japan's popularity in the west, a lot of it has been translated into English. So it's workable, though I prefer to save individual flashpoints and the nitty gritty stuff for if I'm actually running a game around that time. That way I can tailor it to the game I'm planning on running at the time.
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>>98520565>Also honor is such a fucking joke most of the time
>>98521375I didn't really pay attention to V5, but based on what people are saying about V6, I wish I could find out more about the Hecata
No joke V6's humanity is a blatant rip-off of Forsaken 2E's Harmony bar in the sense going too high and too low would screw with the player.Also on a related note but has anyone actually port the 2e Harmony bar to W5 as a replacement for the harano & hauglosk bars? I mean it's by all means it's a direct upgrade since the bars are in hell and all. but I want solid examples.
>>98521248they are still paying people or for bots to shill bloodlines 2 and say how its good but flawed like the original on the bloodlines subreddit. or insane v5 cope
