I don't think we hate 4e enoughI don't think we praise 4e enoughI'm frustrated because 4e is a mixture of good designs (Warlord is a kino class, Fighters can actually stop attacks, Dragonborn is a PHB race, Tieflings were edgy punks instead of cosmopolitan Californians, is fun if you have the time to play physical Fire Emblem) and absolute dogshit designs (if you aren't running Defender/Leader/Striker/Controller then you are actively playing the game wrong and are getting punished for it, everything is gamified into skill challenges while gutting out the actual fun of simulation gaming, is unfun if you don't have the time to set up a map and minis and are trying to vibe combat)
*glug, glug, glug*That's the sound of me using my whole turn to drink the entire decanter of my prepared 'Don't Give a Fuck(™)' potion.Didn't read and you're gay. Retard.
>>98518302I thought you were just drinking semenlike usual
>>98518302Gave a fuck to not only reply but include the TM character
Don't care and you're both gay and I bet you think this post is about you.
boy am i glad I ain't those two anons
>>98518425Nah semen is more of a gulp, gulp, gulpunless it's really watery and gross, in which case jack off less and let your sperm count recover.
I hate how many of these things I have, I cannot even give them away.
>>98518559Wow, you sure do think about cum a lot. I can give you plenty, and if you're a cute enough twink, it won't matter how much I've jerked off; I'll still shoot thick ropes down your throat.
>>98519323>twinkFuck off faggot. I can source cum from people who aren't into feminine penises just fine.
>>98519423I'm impressed that, of all things, was your takeaway from my post.
>4e thread immediately pivots to gay ERPIronically this is the most classically /tg/ thread in years.
>>98517988>if you aren't running Defender/Leader/Striker/Controller then you are actively playing the game wrong and are getting punished for itdid we play the same game?if you play that comp you get 4 hour combatsstriker/striker/striker/leader, maybe replace one of the strikers with one of the other 2 roles if the gm is hardcore into varied encounters (he won't keep it up for more than a couple sessions at a time, that's hard shit to keep doing)
>>98517988>Warlord is a kino classAlready done by AD&D in a way that doesn't violate how time works, I believe that Warlord was added to suppress any requests for fighters to actually be leaders by just saying "Well here's a nonmagical leader class, all it does is move people around in combat and buff them, it has nothing to do with having your own recruits and followers, which we have also forbidden".>Fighters can actually stop attacksAlready done by Arduin in a less videogamey way (BF, the AC and to-hit equivalent, increases by level and fighters gain it the fastest, but the mechanics make it not the only important combat attribute)>Dragonborn is a PHB raceDragonborns were an attempt to remove the issue of unequal crossbreeding (and somewhat sex in general) which half-dragons (and half-demons below) created, and it makes very little sense that a dragon humanoid and a regular humanoid should be equal in power.>Tieflings were edgy punks instead of cosmopolitan CaliforniansThis is a holdover from AD&D and 3.x, not an innovation, and 4e standardized the aesthetic of tieflings into not-Draenei rather than making them alien and grotesque like they were before. Even FATAL has a more original half-demon race. And alu-fiends/cambions were better because not only were they more original than Tieflings, they were sexually dimorphic and had a less contrived reason to exist (I'm not saying this in a gooner way, I would also be happy with the male half-demon race being seductive and the female one being monstrous, and I'm straight, but both of those would be an even bigger taboo nowadays for different reasons)>is fun if you have the time to play physical Fire EmblemSimulationist systems are also fun if you have the time to play them, yet this is exclusively used as an argument against them. At least we agree that 4e is more of a JRPG than a MMO, although this was on accident since it was meant to be a MMO.
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I don't think we should ever talk about 4e ever again.
>>98517988Instead of wasting time hating something you'll never play, why not make something you will play?
4e walked so Lancer could run and 5e could run off a cliff in the name of brand identity
>>98517988>skill challengesI hate to see this shit coming back in more and more systems. The math was fucked then and imitators fuck the math up even worse.
>>98521191I think we should talk about 4e even more!
>>98522090>4e walked so Lancer could rundirectly into the "gender affirmation" surgery clinic
>>98523965Man I miss the build autism of 3.5 where you can be like 6 multiclasses. 5e is literally Crossbow Master, Great Weapon Master or a fullcaster. Three builds.
