Underhive Living edition▶Previous edition: >>98466324▶What is /gwsg/?A thread to talk about Games Workshop's specialist and spin-off games which fall between the cracks.Battlefleet Gothic, Blood Bowl, Epic, K*ll Team, Man-o-War, Middle-Earth Strategy Battle Game, Mordheim,Necromunda, Shadow War: Armageddon, Titanicus, Underworlds, Warcry, Warhammer Quest, Warmaster......and any other GW system and board game are welcome.▶Helpful resources (feel free to suggest additions!):https://pastebin.com/qq9N8V0V▶TQ: could (you) survive the underhive?
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New Battlehost boxes for MESBG https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/ycytiwiv/new-battlehosts-revealed-for-middle-earthtm/
I finished my pitch and played my first game of blood bowl, working to get the rest of the team painted
making a GSC gang with the new rules, heres my roster so far to start with, just want some inputLeader>GSC adept (autopistol, fighting knife) 135 creditsChampion>hybrid acolyte (grenade launcher) 165 credits>hybrid acolyte (heavy stubber, extra arm) 175 creditsganger>aberrant (heavy rock saw) 185 credits>neophyte hybrid (2x autopistols) 60 credits>neophyte hybrid (autogun) 60 credits>neophyte hybrid (extra arm, heavy stubber) 130 creditsjuves>neophyte initiate (autogun) 40 credits>neophyte initiate (autogun) 40 creditsthats 990 credits so farhonestly I don't really know what i'm doing beyond "leader, 2 champs and fill out the rest"if I downgrade the heavy stubber champ to a regular ganger with a heavy stubber, I should be able to fit in yet another ganger
>>98524012i adore your board. tremendous work
>Andy Chambers and Jervis Johnson consider it their best designed game>the fans fuckin hate itwhy?
>>98523525How is Kill Team? The general isn't made anymore and I don't find that to be a good sign. >>98524157Proof that fans hated it back then? Did something cause it to have a cult following?Beyond nostalgia and 6mm novelty of course.
>>98524157I can't speak for others, but in my group we didn't like the way that units were "dumbed down". I put that in quotes because I'm sure if I looked over the lists now I wouldn't have an issue with them at all, but 15 year old me missed losing out on unit entries with a bunch of different weapon profiles. Something about rolling a shit ton of dice during Space Marine/Titan Legion games just felt fun. We didn't like the way that Titans and Gargants were changed as well.
>>98524203>Proof that fans hated it back then?Epic went from being a mainline GW game to being a specialist game practically overnight due to Epic 40k (3rd ed) having such low sales numbers
>>98524203its not that its a bad sign, the game is just solved and thus theres rarely a point for discussion. theres no list building, theres no campaigns, theres no creativity.Generically, its fun enough to play. but theres just nothing to talk about unless a big drop comes along. threads for exodites (exodites shit) came and went
>>98524157>>the fans fuckin hate itThe game went through a similar but much more extreme shift as 2nd edition 40k to 3rd. Everything in Epic Space Marine had its own special rules. Every different unit, sometimes a page of it, about how specifically the grave cannons or bubble chucker or imperial robot order trees were drawn out or land train car configurations etcetcetc. which was very flavourful and had a lot of neat stuff going on but was a lot of specific rules and references and counters to keep track of. This got condensed to a very very minimalist and abstract wargame. We went from rolling the bolter fire for each stand of marines in a company to an abstract firepower total and a cross reference chart. Which is pretty slick too, but a very different game compared to what came before. A lot of people were not excited about the change at the time, and the community build/rework of Epic 40K to Epic Armageddon hits a nice medium, with more detail but a lot of the flexibility of the newer rule set. It just took everyone a decade to calm down.
>>98524020You'll get plenty of credit if you replace heavy rock saw with power hammer.
>>98524203Just go to normie place like facebook, discord or reddit for Killteam. They gatekeep the shit out of poorfags so game is fucking dead on the poorfag forum.
>>98524157I can believe Jervis "I'm a talentless hack who despises games with actual game mechanics" Johnson thinks that, but I'd lose a lot of respect for him if Andy actually said that over any of the other amazing games he worked on. Source?
Are the new Necromunda rules out? I have questions about if it works as a skirmish game/have they ruined it etc etc
I was hornyposting a few days ago and got no responses, which I respect.However! Would it be untoward of me to ask whether or not anyone would be interested in either A: Reading smut written by yours truly set on NecromundaB: Viewing NSFW artwork involving Necromunda characters?To get back on topic, I keep hearing rumors that Inquisitor is coming back in plastic.Any truth to this or just wishful thinking?
>>98525178They're out, and for the most part look solid imo. Goliaths being S3 rustles my jimjams though, even though thats what they were in 95
>>98525256Given you didn't unload a torrent of complaints and doom on me, I'm gonna guess it's not too bad.How does it work as a pick up and play game?
>>98525267The preset options in the box might be alright, but Id generally recommend against any edition of necromunda with randoms as it can be broken extremely easily by a WAACfag opponent.It really shines as a campaign game anyway, you'll be missing a huge chunk of what makes it fun just doing 1 off games
>>98525178>>98525267 They cleaned up the janks but game is in super early access. And a bunch of fighters in your roster hit on a 5+ so as a one off game the only viable option for them is using template weapons. In campaign you need to roll a 9 on a 2D6 when they rank up to turn that 5+ into a 4+.
>>98525285I'm mostly worried because I don't think a two person campaign is gonna go very well
Anyone have a copy of the book of the outcast? Trying to build up my necro library in case I hate the new edition
>>98525294A campaign with 3 or 4+ guys and an arbitrator would work better, but a 2 man campaign would be better than single games I reckon as long as you have some sort of failsafe in case something catastrophic happens and it becomes supremely imbalanced (eg life insurance payout of a few creds if someones leader becomes irreparably mangled or dead in game 1)
>>98525144Why? 3rd edition accomplished the design goal of every detachment representing a (2nd ed) 40k army and the game itself representing several games of 40k across a huge battlefield. In Space Marine, Epic 2nd, and even Epic Armageddon, that just isn't the case, since when you take a detachment it's always a weird grouping of units that when assaulting would never really represent an actual 40k army (tacticals can't mix with assault marines or devastators in the same detachment in any edition of epic aside from 3rd, for example).
>>98524203>how is kill team?Not as good as necromunda, still a lot better than playing fucking 11th edition, 28mm is just not the right miniature scale for the "battle game" format every 40k edition past 2nd has become.
>>98525531Because it's shit, as evidenced by the fact everyone hated it at the time and by the fact that even with decades to play on people's nostalgia and build a cult following it hasn't. I've seen more people playing *GorkaMorka* than I have Smallboringhammer, and compared to Armageddon 3rd players don't even constitute a rounding error.And if that was a design goal rather than some bullshit you've just made up to try and reframe the edition's boring over-abstraction as intentional rather than a generational fuck up, then it was a stupid fucking design goal and as I said, I'd lose a lot of respect for Andy if that was his opinion rather than merely your dumbass view.What matters is whether the game represents how 40K armies would actually fight on that scale of battlefield and whether or not the game is fun and engaging to play - Epic Armageddon nails both harder then the poolboy fucking your mom, 3rd does neither.
>>98525866>represents how 40K armies would actually fight on that scale of battlefield okay let's look at epic armageddon>all marine special/heavy weapons are missile launchers for some reason>terminator squads have 2 assault cannons for some reason>imperial guard heavy weapons squads and chaos marines/havocs always have autocannons for some reason instead of any other fucking heavy weapon>assault marines and devastators in the same formation? never gonna happen, ignore all the times it has happened in fluff. not possible. marines would never do thatwow it's almost like an abstract firepower table and the "build a detachment" system would fit way better
>>98525402>book of the outcastIt's on pdfcoffee anon.
>>98524012lizards are looking clean, nice!
>>98523525No way would I survive the underhive, I’m like one of the Escher men, I was born with no lungs and they had to throw me in an incubator to cook more.
>>98526084Finished the skinks, starting the sauruses
House Ty joins the field.It'll be fun adding a pan-asian theme to my lower tier hangers.
>>98526547Kitbash some 40k bits onto these fuckers and you have House Ty household guard.
Is the previous transcribed rules still the most current? Someone mentioned a mistake. None of us play cawdor so I'm not terribly concerned, but it's good for posterity. I'm assuming there aren't pdfs anywhere? My lgs is a pile of shit and just decided not to order what I asked for
>>98527073For cawdor you can use the screencap version gf.io/d/BJ58kv
>>98527143Cheers. I'll stick it in the back pocket. Now I need to write up an Escher roster. At a glance, Sneedlers look great now. No scarce/ammo is awesome. Lasguns and Autoguns are much closer. Just need to figure out skills for gangers and shit I guess. Might finally have an excuse to build my bow runners.
People in awg told me that 1490 Doom sucks and I should use these for Mordheim instead - what warband would these work best for?Cult of the Possessed?
>>98526775The guy in the tiger pijama always make me laugh.Then again this was the Qing Dynasty National Flag during the 1900
>>98527607Whoops forgot to add the flag
>>98527539More than suck 1490 Doom is just way to basic of a game. Good enough for random board game, but good enough for a wargame let alone to be your main wargame.Also GW prices for 3D printed shit is something that should be shamed.
>>985242511997 was a bad year for GW non mainline games with Epic 40k flopping and Gorkmorka doing alright but being massively overproduced so financially flopping.Epic has never really recovered, even now it's some limited imagination Heresy only thing rather than having all the 40k factions.
>>98525190Inquisitor is even less likely to come back than Man O'War. Utter flop that sat very uneasily alongside GW's other games. It was a treasure trove of fluff for 40k but beyond some hardcore fans, never found a home.
>>98527750I find funny that current 40k models have grown so much that even older marines do not look that small compared to the old Inquisitor models
>>98527539You could equally use them for generic mercs, Cult, or a Vampire warband. It really depends on how you want to build everyone else out.
>>98526060Thank you
>>98525190Continue
>>98524157It's an object lesson that presentation is important in rules. Every unit is completely abstracted to numbers and maybe a special rule, and everything is organized by formations with zero guidance as to what models are in a formation. The whole thing felt like an Avalon Hill boardgame in miniatures form and it was one of the most depressing birthday presents I ever got.You went from ork lifta-droppas picking up enemy tanks and scattering them in a random direction to ork lifta-droppas adding a blast marker on a 4+.It also doesn't help that Epic 40k is where squatting originated, since they didn't have anything to lose in Warhammer. The AdMech army that replaced them was pure dogshit modelwise and probably why they didn't bother making AdMech again until 7th edition.>>98524203The entire reason Gorkamorka exists is because GW cancelled the Warmaster release after Epic died and they needed something to fill the Christmas release slot.
>>98527539>>98527635At this point even hating on 1490 Doom has gotten boring. Like, I generally get rooting for the little guy since GW fucking sucks, but there's absolutely nothing interesting about 1490 Doom to validate its existence. Most small games have at least some kind of setting or rules hook but its just "Hey we're Trench Crusade with a different setting that has zero impact on gameplay."
>>98530061I hated that 1490 Doom stans are just retards who think their game has better pricing than GW when their starter set is 90US$ (75$ with discount), that come with 4 resin models and an mdf tower. This is the same shitty pricing as GW, except that GW do have way better pricing on some products.
>>98527614Cool flag!
Picked up this box at a consignment earlier. Got a buddy grabbing the 3rd Season box and some Amazons.How's 3rd season been? I saw some people lamenting a few changes I don't remember the specifics of such as (I guess) loitering with the ball? Looking at a dugout and some dice on top of a Sevens pitch to help rope more people into it.
>>98524157It was a better game imo, but it was a huge departure from 1st/2nd editions. Totally different game, and that's not what fans wanted. I'm not sure there was a good way to release Epic 40k once everyone was used to a game more similar to 2nd ed. 40k.Epic Armageddon added some detail back in and also made detachments less free-form. Both of those were good ideas.Legiones Imperialis is closer to 2nd edition Epic than to Epic 40k or Epic Armageddon. I don't like it as much, but 2nd ed. was the peak of the game's popularity so it makes sense to target its players.
>>98525178The rules are better, including the campaign rules. Jury's still out on unit design, especially since we haven't seen the journals yet. I expect they'll never end. But that's fine if the rules are good.
Why are these different units? It's especially odd because the the shit that made the runners unique is just freely available to anyone
>>98530844Scout specialist ganger have different stat and starting xp at 13. But yes Wyld Runner sucks.
>>98530844Every GW game suffers from unit variants becoming named units with their own models and now GW is stuck with them forever because everyone gets mad if they get folded back into the original unit they were a variant of.Anyway, they're prospects that a) can take a bow, and b) start with a little bit of XP which locks them into taking Clamber as their first skill. I think every house got a similar unit. E.g. Orlocks call their generic prospects Greenhorns, and they got Wreckers in the last edition (prospects with Nerves of Steel and jump boosters).
>>98530877Wrecker and greenhorn are nothing similar, nor does wrecker being similar to Wyld Runner.
>>98530911They're prospects with a few XP and a preselected skill. Wreckers's wargear makes them a lot cooler, though.
>>98526049You're wrong, you're retarded, everyone agrees with me, so why should I waste my time arguing with you? It's like trying to have a serious discussion with a toddler, you're simply not intellectually capable of understanding the level of wrongness you're operating at. Have fun not playing your shit game though. Or don't. IDK.
>>98530877>they're prospects that a) can take a bowEveryone can take a bow. Everyone can take cats. It's part of the gang list.
>>98531952>Wyld bow (Wyld Runner only)Wanna fucking bet?
>>98531984Well shit I'm dumb I guess. Cats are still totally unlocked, though
>>98530472Fuck off, it's objectively worse, as with every shiny new thing gw shits out
>>98531984i've started on my archer club escher gang. gonna have a time. >>98532679genuinely, not memeing. What makes it worse? I never played 2017 only really old versions, but game club is getting back into this version.
>>98532706That's the LRB6 anon, since no one play LRB6 with him he lurked here to post the same GW's new release = shit.
>finally finish my meme bunny gang>GW kills NuNecromundaWell shit.
>>98532798You've been building that bunny gang for over a year. Next time build faster.
>>98532808A year is nothing. I grew with 40k where each edition was not a massive departure from each other. I mean you can play 3rd edition codex with 7th edition rules without changing much.It is a hobby after all you are not supposed to speed run it.
>>98524157over complexity. That was the main issue.But I think the larger issue is that it tried to cater to historical wargamers while distinctly not being a historical wargame.I don't like Modern; Epic is basically HH 2.0: bigger battlesIt's just humie fest. I want my orks!
>>98532864HH is such a trash setting for a game.Is not like you can't do the same shit in current 40k.Do not want to risk making molds? Well call it The Badab War edition. You still can get away making just basic marine bitches but do not lock yourself in the Slop Heresy era.
Dumb question, but which Kill Teams are the most well balanced vs each other where it's 'anything goes' one has no huge advantage over the other?Thought about getting into it with a mate that's also a 40K fan, so we could work with any KTs, are the starter set KTs well balanced vs each other?
>>98532905kill team is decently well balanced. if you're really worried, just don't pick the top teams. But honestly, unless you're top tier focusing, it won't matterRaveners, Felgore, AoD, or Wolf Scouts were the tops recently.
>>98532905Are Kill Teams prefab now? When I was playing 2018 with a mate we'd just choose a point limit and bang whatever together and it worked great. The whole point of KT was you didn't have to buy a specific anything to play and any generic troop box could get you running.
>>98532970I do not consider modern kill team, kill team.Imagen playing Kill Team without Klaxon counters
>>98532970mostly yes. There are some standouts (Agents have the most list building and its not a lot)Some let you pick 6 of 10 marines (AoD). Some are just heres your squad (Starstriders)
>>98530472There’s a couple changes I’m not partial to and will be houseruling, but other than that, I’m much more pleased with it than I thought I would be.
>>98532706>archer club escherDo tell me more
the pdf for all the named characters in necromunda releasedalso added some things to the trading post, most importantly a bunch of combi-weapons
>>98527750Inquisitor coming back in 54mm is a never ever, but I could absolutely see modern GW specialist games department bringing it back in 28mm.
>>98533143Dual Combi Bolt/Plasma pistol gonna pump out so many dakka.
>>98530310Having only played the bb2 video game and 2 actual games of season 3, I haven't had any problems with the few rules changes I've run into and it's been really fun so far
>>98533029haha that's mental
>>98530310It's pretty much the same game with a few tweaks around the edges. Only annoying thing is them changing team compositions to match the boxes, for some teams it means very little change, for others some major changes....but it's a very specific team related issue and is far from ruining the game.
>>98533188Meh. The only thing it adds over Necromunda is more detail and a more RPG style of gameplay. GW isn't that bothered about breaking into the RPG market, as shown by it outsourcing all the RPG games. So I don't really see what bringing back Inquisitor does, that Necromunda is vaguely close enough to.At least Man O'War or BFG hits upon a genuinely different style of game.
So what's the verdict on NEWcromunda?Gotta know if its gonna be worth putting my minis together or not.
>>98533066I would love to, and will once i have something to actually shareI'm just gathering bits to make a bow heavy gang. Maybe a hag to lead and depending on how weeb i feel like leaning, toss in some Ty influence, ankle length big skirts
>>98534939I don't even get to play games and I put my munda models together. Munda is freedom.
Speaking of Necromunda, has anyone come across the new gang books on the high seas? I have the rules as a hardcover, but I want the new stuff and I'm not gi ing GW any more money.TYA
>>98532706DO NOT ENGAGE
>>98535549ITS OKAY IM NOT PLANNING ON GETTING MARRIED
>>98533143>Blank white background doc instead of the usual Necromunda style of old free download pdf.>All outcast leader started at 61 exp, even the shitty one.They will never beat the lazy fuck allegation.
>>98535457Seconded. Along with the core rulebook.
>>98534939I'm done with churngames, not even going to bother learning NuNuNucromunda.Ironically enough though, having previously killed all local interest in both SGs and 30K with the MUH SUPPORTUD new editions, it seems like enough time has passed that locally we now have some new waves of protogrogs getting sick of GW's endless release escalator bullshit and it's proving gratifyingly easy to steer them into NCE and small game modes of Black Book Heresy.
Sorry, I'm late to the party. Have there been scans of the Nucromunda books yet ?
>>98539385I have some transcripts of the NuNuNecromunda.
>>98539534Well that certainly drew a lot of interest!
>>98540511Yeah outside of shills and 40kfags seeing another game to troonament out. The necrofags give up on the new edition, like we read the rules and could salvage somethings like the skills, the changes to how models and work kind of killed all interest.It almost feel they went out of their way to invalidate existing gangs, by making everything bland and low effort
>>98540573>it's almost like...Yeah, that's their business model.
>>98539534Please gib
>>98525190Would Goliath's enjoy being pegged by Escher?
>>98495922>>98496912>>98497433>>98498121you've been able to use multiple rerolls each turn for the last 10 years, retardo>>98498252it's pretty based, you can't reroll a reroll but you can use it to cage dive and shit. it lets you do riskier plays on defense or score when things go bad
>>98499222>>98499313rerolls are expensive and you're still SOL if you waste all your rerolls early. there are a lot of teams that won't reroll shit on defense so they can use the rerolls for a one turn attempt. on fumbbl, at least, you don't really see teams taking more than 4 rerolls or 3 and a leader. I think I saw maybe one or 2 teams at high tv with like 5 rerolls. but even the cheapest reroll is 50k and it becomes 100k to buy midseason and the season rules trim the teams down so it's hard and expensive to carry a bunch of rerolls. it does make 3+ a leader more viable when in the 1 reroll per turn rules you saw a lot more 2 rerolls, 2 and a leader or 3 rerolls. Pro elves take 4 rerolls a lot but that's because they're the shittiest elves. it's a double edged swords with zons. they want to be low TV for matchmaking and rerolls are bloat and that 50k could be a linewoman, apo or be used to upgrade a linewoman to a positional, but they don't have any ball handling skills or block to start. And then if you play NAF, the Amazons really can't fit more than 3 (or 2 and a leader) rerolls. You do see orcs, humans and proelves with 3 + a leader rerolls in NAF, but most teams still stick with the 2-4 rerolls they had during LRB6
>>98542447(me)>>98499222>>98499313holy shit you can't even start proelves with all the positionals and 3 rerolls. 2 blitzers, 1 catcher, 8 line elves, 3 rerolls is 1000k
>>98534939Overall I like most of the changes. The removal of flesh wounds is the only thing I found to be stupid, but thats easy enough to houserule back in. It kinda landed back being closer to N95 in terms of powerlevels and such, which I’m a fan of. The campaign changes are nice too. Now its less of a retarded credits arms race where the luckier gangs snowball with the unluckier gangs being unable to catch up.
>>98523525>>98524455I just bought the Exodite set and Deathwatch Kill Team. First minis I've bought in 15 years. I couldn't resist buying it since it was the Exodites and Kill Team seems a lot more manageable to get back into minis again. The game looks fun too.But are the Exodites actually good in the game? Has anybody here played them in a couple of games yet?I don't plan on going to stores to play, just at home with my mates doing crazy 4 player games and shit.I'm going to use the Beast Snagga's as a "team" too. Just use the npc profiles and control them as normal.
>>98542621They apparently are broken (not in the powerful way) because they have completely different movement rules to every other faction. But this is just what I’ve seen in passing from people online, I haven’t actually played them. So could be an overreaction.
>>98542626I still haven't played a single game of Kill Team yet, so I'm only just grasping the rules, but I thought their movement wasn't overpowered because they basically just need to run in a straight line and do 45 degree turns here and there.I'm first going to build a lot of jungle terrain and paint up my teams before playing, so I have some time to learn it (and more importantly teach it to my mates when we play the first time so we all have a good time)
>>98542634I hope they aren’t actually bad to play, just what I’ve seen shouted online. Hope it goes well for you, and be sure to post models and your board when its finished.
>>98542653I can't afford hobby supplies until next paycheck, so I've spent the last couple of days researching so I don't make any bad purchases.It's insanely overwhelming and exciting at the same time. The amount of resources and range of products you can get these days are just insane compared to when I was a kid and teen. Shit I could only dream of having as a kid is readily available to buy now.And one of my brothers is 3d printing a bunch of terrain pieces for me. I'm going to go full on jungle theme with an ork settlement surrounding the ancient exodite ruins. Classic 2nd edition ork huts with ork walls to make proper Kill Team games. Classic round cactus with red toothpick spikes and shit. I've found bamboos and tons of foliage shit online too.Going to start with the terrain to get back into painting before I move on to the actual figures.It probably won't turn out how I imagine it will, but I'll give it my best shot. The materials you can get these days make the base level for people's painting level way higher than when I was a kid.
>>98540600I mean old 40k/Fantasy could keep you over a decade with the same rules between editions.This need to delete shit every few years is a rather recent thing
>>98542920That emerged in the dying days of Midhammer. 5th ed lasted 4 years, but 6th ed was only two years, and 7th was replaced with 8th after three, establishing the "Every three years like clockwork" pattern we've had since.
>>98539534Post it anon, I want to see it even though I have a love-hate relationship with the game. Get me interested again so I can get excited, buy another gang (Ratskins -> Van Saar + Enforcers) and give it away to somebody again when I can't find a group to play with. The 3d terrain still captures my imagination; even typing this rn makes me want to start chopping up cardboard boxes and soda cans.
>>98543088>>98541270https://gofile.io/d/ok52dKYr
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>>98534939I think I'll paint some gangers but I doubt people at my LGS are going to get into it again, everyone just wants to play escalation leagues in 11th or whatever.
>>98540573It's fucking bizarreo world, I see people going insane over the new editon saying it's great that all of the gangs are 'closer together' and the extra books are just 'optional flavour' as if they've never played this game before. I don't know, seems like they're trying to cram it into the template of some other game.
>>98543156>as if they've never played this game beforeWell that's because they haven't, you're looking at the newest of newfags and GW's newest employees (and remember fans of the game are specifically weeded out during the hiring process).
>>98542581I think this take (that you aren't alone in promoting) is immensely dishonest and weaselly.Peoples' complaints about N17 on that front were always about EQUIPMENT, not power levels or lethality. The standard line was something like, "durrr these gangers are running around with meltaguns, better equipped than space marines."The melta, plasma, boltguns, etc. are all still the top-tier weapons in N26 that every gang will be gradually moving towards. The iconic weapons just don't function in line with their lore, anymore. You can get hit repeatedly by bolter fire and keep rolling around on the floor groaning. But everyone will still have the same gear as a freshly-deployed Tactical Squad. If that was your problem it wasn't fixed.
>>98543172That's exactly it I think, but they're going on as if they're super familiar with older editions. Worse yet is that they're lauding stuff that isn't even good. Hopefully they don't completely clear out the wargamey stuff like their other games.
>>98543174>dishonest and weasely Fuck you? Forgive me for coming to my own conclusion based off my read through of the rulebook. If you think differently thats fine, but don’t try to lawyer people just because they don’t see it the same way.My experiences with N17 were positive, but a lot of the problems I had were addressed in N26, and so far I’m optimistic about it.
>>98543181they have to, if they don't try to blend in with the established players they'll be waved off as newfags
>>98543181Modern players do not want to play wargames.They just want to cheat because they suck at videogames.Once you notice that it is clear why modern wargames are easily portable to a videogame setting.I mean fuckers are playing 40k in tabletop simulator for fuck sake
>>98543286That's what I've noticed too, people treat the game like League of Legends, just pick the best shit and everything else is pointless. If you aren't wringing out every tiny advantage in a system you're doing it wrong. Man, grim state of affairs for such a hobby.
>>98543286>tabletop simulatorwhat's wrong with it?
>>98543326No models
>>98543326Nothing against TTS, is the fact that some people play 40k exclusively on TTS that is bizarre. Playing for example Twilight Imperium on TTS is understandable. Since you need 3 to 8 peoples to play and coordinating that much people for a single table top game along with the space to play it is not really expected for the average tabletop playerThen again you play TI for the mechanics and the social interaction so TTS serves that purpose good enough.40k on the other hand or wargames in general mechanics are important, but the main attraction, since you have entire hobby around it painting and building models and the board they are fighting over.Random TTS game of 40k is odd, but not something out of the ordinary. Being the main way of playing... Just play a videogame at that point
>>98543326Tabletop games do not make good videogames for the most part, even an experienced player is still going to take longer handling rules interactions than the PC will, once you have the PC handling rules interactiosn the flaws of any given tabletop game are very quickly exposed, and all modern tabletop games are designed as products to sell, not as games to play, so they all quickly get exposed for being shit.Tabletop gaming isn't primarily about gaming, it's focus is either an artistic hobby or as a social event, neither of those things can occur on TTS.So if you want play a videogame, play a decent videogame, if you want to be artistic you need to be dealing with actual models, if you want to be social you need to be dealing with actual people.
>>98543355>40k on the other hand or wargames in general mechanics are important, but NOT the main attractionMissed a word.>>98543373Keeping the TI example they are currently working to make a digital version of TI. The game already feels like some old turn base game regardless and it would mostly help to keep track to the token and card galore the game has.Think of it as advance wars. That game could easily be a wargame, but it would need some conversions to avoid having the average guy doing calculations for each attack.
>>98543241>Forgive me for coming to my own conclusion based off my read through of the rulebook.NTA: No, because you did nothing of the sort, this is just more dishonest weaselling. If you knew enough about people's feelings about N17etc to invoke the real Necromunda and talk about powerlevels, you also had to know enough about the substance of that complaint to know it was about exactly what >>98543174 was talking about.So either you knew the issue wasn't with the balance between gangs or the overall lethality but was in fact about the way the themes and tone of the game had changed and how the OTT equipment exemplified that for people, in which case your post was in fact dishonest and weaselly, or you managed to see people make that complaint for almost a decade without ever once having the dozen functioning braincells to grasp their extremely obvious painted-all-over-in-neon-hi-vis point, which just makes you fucking retarded.So which is it: disingenuous liar, or fuckwitted moron?
got an issue i'm hoping some of the necromunda players can help solveI want to make some GSC guys with heavy stubbers, I bought some orlock heavy stubbers (with the exosuit arms) thinking they'd fit, but the arms look ridiculously oversized on GSC bodiesany ideas or reccommendations for heavy stubbers otherwise?I want my entire gang to be gen 4 hybrids, hence why i'm not using the existing heavt stubber parts, as that model is a gen 3 hybridmaybe the heavy stubber and arms from the old chaos cultists? (pic related)
>>98543784You know you can just cut the hand off the replace it with a normal hand from one of the autogun? for the left hand just cut the chainsaw hand or find any similar hand that's holding a handle.For heavy stubber, GW kits has a lot : Cultist of The Abyss, Exaction Squad, Spectre Squad, Cawdor upgrade, Orlock gang, Escher Upgrade, or even Heavy Stubber turret from vehicle kit : repulsor heavy stubber, armiger heavy stubber, trazior turret,....In pic i used the Repulsor turret.
>>98543784Your example is the current heavy stubber from the neophyte kit.Not sure what you are asking for
>>98544137He want a 4th gen Hybrid, which has human hands, your picture is 3rd gen, which still retains genestealer hands.
>>98544137>I want my entire gang to be gen 4 hybrids, hence why i'm not using the existing heavt stubber parts, as that model is a gen 3 hybrid
>>98543846I wasn't confident in my ability to do so but i'm doing it right now and it seems okayunfortunately the only spare autogun arms I got have the sleeves rolled up without gloves, so the arms look a little tiny to be lugging around a huge heavy stubber but not too badi'll post a pic later once its glued together
>>98544333he's just tacked together for the time being, but I think he looks okayi'll see if I can find a better set of arms to use, ones that look a bit bulkier
>>98544184>>98544173You do know the gens overlaps and its not a hard thing. Beside no one notices those things while playing.
>>98545190yes but it matters to me, i'm going for a theme here
>>98545176He looks totally fine. Could greenstuff the armpits a bit but I think that works well.
>>98526285>>98526084>>98524012>Lizardsgross, need to be nerfed
>>98545251yeah i'll be taking the arm off and filing the wrist at a slightly different angle so the arm sits flush(er) with the body
>>98530310>>98534279>>98533600the stalling rule is annoying and very poorly designed where it only really punishes less experienced/worse coaches. the underdog can spend 50K treasury with the prayers to nuffle is honestly garbage and needs to be house ruled. If you play with 10k prayers like the thing suggests you can be down 5k and get 3 prayers and a mascot. if you're using 30k prayers you can still get 2 when down 10k and some of them like moles, knuckle duster or the free skill one are very OP compared to like 2spp on a foul. a lot of the teams changed to reflect the rosters the boxes were sold with. That's probably the biggest change in the rules. For some teams like Orcs and Humans this was a major buff while undead and rats, both still good teams, got nerfed by losing 2 ghouls and 2 gutter runnersBreak Tackle is now amazing, statups are under costed and doubles are now way over costed. they probably needed to do a better job with the skill prices and player costs. Like block, dodge, guard and mighty blow are still amazing and shit like fumbleruski is so bad people wouldn't spend 5k for it. Norse are weirdly costed in a way, where if you're fine with getting 10 spp instead of 6spp the berserkers are kind of garbage because a berserker with MB or Guard is 120k but a line norse with mb or guard is 100k. Granted the berserkers have jump up (and frenzy which is kind of bad when you have 2 or 3 ST4+ players with frenzy) where as the linenorse have thick skill, rush on a 3+ instead of a 2+ and can't do the secure the ball. Oh secure the ball is the other thing. Which they also fucking wrote the rule wrong and then FAQ'd it in a way that doesn't make sense with the text of the rule. if there aren't any enemy players standing within like 2 squares of the ball you can secure the ball and pick up on a 2+ but it's not a pickup roll and you stop moving and end your activation. but rain somehow affects it based on the FAQ, which isn't how the text is written
>>98544333The web pistol hand would look better since it's straight
>>98543099Thanks anon
>>98544333>>98545176>the arms look a little tiny to be lugging around a huge heavy stubberThe classic solution is to use paper, jeweler's chain, cloth, or green stuff to rig up a strap attached to his body armor or a sling going around the torso and shoulder. The straps on the backpack and stubber in picrel are both made from cloth stiffened with PVA glue and the buckle's a bit of thin wire bent into a square.
>>98545634Sick. I like heavy weapons looking like something that isn't supposed to be lugged around by a single guy, but the fuckers having a go anyway. Straps, wheelbarrow, mortar held on the shoulder like a rocket launcher... beauty.
>>98545634Glide floss is wide enough to look like a reasonable strap.
>>98543702Its amazing how pseuds like you can use so many words to say almost nothing at all.
Requesting scans of all the Traitor Command content from Blackstone Fortress. I've got the rulebook and Heart of Corruption mission card thing but I don't have the scans for the material, like the exploration cards, the Commissar or Ogryn or any of that stuff.
built my 2nd heavy stubberhonestly quite happy with how this guy turned out
>>98549490and rejigged the 1st guy a little
WIP new leader for my Cawdor with the new edition in mind. Very low level kitbash, gave him extra shoulder pads, as well as a sawn-off on his back. Gonna try my hand at greenstuff to make a strap/bandage holding it in place.
I am interested in MESBG and would like to play a Dwarf army. I know nothing about the game, but grew up with the LotR books and movies in my later years and the look of the miniatures is nostalgic to me. Any recommendations or suggestions that you could possibly offer me please, /gwsg/?
>>98549490>>98549499Two heavy stubbers?
>>98549555No point building anything until your gang jounal is out. Next thing you know Greatsword is available again
>>98550794I’m building it mostly off of what I like, in conjunction with the current gang list. My plan is for him to be a melee guy, who can now use a sawn-off in combat.
Finished my blood bowl chaos dwarf team, the Ardent Anvils.
>>98551777Damn, looks great
>>98549594I really like the Khazad-dum range. Most armies get extra strikes from a 2nd rank of guys with spears. Khazad-dum don't have them so it's extra important to have a banner(re-roll a duel roll within a bubble around him). Armies will be same-y. Khazard guard, Durin, fill in the rest with shield dwarfs and a few archers for objective camping. You'll probably want a generic dwarf captain to heroic march towards objectives. Do people play MESBG where you live? We had like a dozen guys and a couple girls, mostly great people, but everyone ghosted after Covid. I've been thinking of selling my guys except the Minas Tirith, Mordor, and a set of the Fellowship.
>>98551777you need all 6 blockers on the starting lineup.
>>98553091I don't like the flamesmiths, and refuse to play them
>>98552600Khazad-dum looks nice, yeah. Not sure if anyone else plays MESBG, but my brother loves LotR as much as I do and I could pressgang him into games. I play Dwarf stuff in a few other games, so samey armies is part and parcel of being a Dwarf enjoyer, I have found. Thank you for the reply and information, Anon. Have a great day.
Got my hands on the new edition of Necromunda what am I in for
>>98553755Kids and their nuspeak slang
>>98551777are the 2 things in the front the fire breathers?>>98553091>>98554008it's 4 blockers 2 flamesmiths>>98553755that's dumb. so you just run more hob goblins?
>>98554369No, chorfs are 6 blockers, 2 centaurs, period.
>>98554659no, they have 4 blockers and 2 fire breathers
>>98554685Wrong, I've been playing chorfs for 20 years, you don't tell me what they have.
>>98554702they changed them, homosabi
>>98554725Incorrect.
>>98526547Troon colors and it's 2026 that shit is no longer a 'mistake.'YWNBAW
>>98527614> Peasant gave it five clawsLiterally execute that man and his family. Then both his neighbors
>>98543326You can fuck off. If this has to be explained to you, it's too late
>>98554730you are wrong and retarded
>>98554794This, those colors are fucking hideous anyways so no one would ever use them except to dog whistle their sexual degeneracy.
>>98554972Doesn't being wrong all the time get boring after a while?
>>98555053Not that anon but you might be colorblind if you think these colors are the same.
>>98554972It's actually funny because one of our best rugby schools colours and pink and light blue.They're pretty strict Catholics and absolute savages in the field so I imagine they would be absolutely pissed than troons have the same colours.I used to hate playing against them, they would absolutely smash us every single time
>>98523525Why the fuck does 2e KT have so many options for building teams that 3e doesn't?
>>98555537>colours
>>98554912Incorrect.
>>98555053That's a fucking mint green and dark magenta you colorblind retard, completely different
>>98555697King's English not Amerimutt English
>>98555942you are incorrect and gay
I'm curious about Necromunda, but I've heard the faction that appeals to me the most, Enforcers, is kinda weak. Is that true?
>>98556006No, and they're the most popular in case you feel like you're special for choosing them.
>>98548832What's amazing is how people as retarded as you can figure out how to use a keyboard.
>>98556471Dilate
>>98556006Not at all. Pretty strong in the new edition with their group activation ability.
>>98554369>that's dumb. so you just run more hob goblins?4 blockers, 4 hobgobs, 2 bullcentaurs, 2 stabbasI play at home with the 2016 ruleset so the stabbas don't suck as much as they do right now
>>98557317>the 2020 list in the 2016 gameGay.
>>98557786I like the stabbas, sorry, not sorry
>>98556006Fuckken narc
>>98558068so just hire the stab hobgoblin that you already had access to
>>98557786this>>98557317dropping the firebreather seems retarded, they're still dorfs
Do we have any idea at all when the journals start coming out? Or is this another "preview now, preorder in 6 months" piece of nothing?
>>98560304literally only matters to consumers
>>98560304FOMOTARD ALERTFOMOTARD ALERTFOMOTARD ALERT
>>98560304No, but probably within the next 3-4 weeks. They generally keep them in stock.
>>98525190I’d appreciate both flavors A and B, got some pinups/smut done of my Escher, imagining the thrusting technological wonders a Van Saar could create.
>>98560304These things are usually revealed 1-3 months ahead of time. Then they'll come out for each house at a rate of 1-3 months.That's very close to "we have no idea" but it's not 6 months.
>>98556006A new edition just came out so whatever meta you've heard about is out of date. It could be a year+ before every faction has full rules, and the starter rules have everyone starting out more similar to each other.
>>98560339>>98561246
>>98563160At least we play.
>>98561636Based.Care to share them?
>>98556006Choose who's cool. If you're choosing on meta you will not have a good time and no one will want to play you
>>98556006>>98566521The exception to this is if you're the arbitrator, and you're acting as a pseudo-NPC gang that shows up and commits violence on whoever is winning the hardest without taking territories. But if you've been playing long enough to do that, you don't need our advice, so.
>kill team general diedWhat killed the momentum? Is this edition just bad?
>>98568523Caters too hard to tourneyfags.>little to no team customization>rotating out teams because muh curated tournament balanceBecomes boring and samey when every game is just compshitting with teams that are basically prebuilt and even the number of teams got cut down and restricted. GW needs to stop hiring tournament faggots to be devs.
>>98568523>What killed the momentum?The price nigga, the price. 4chin is a poorfag forume and poorfags got btfo when they can't buy into this shit no more. They did the same shit with Warcry but Warcry died faster because no one give a fuck about Shitmar.
I just realized I could have dropped a reroll and had 2 more guard. At least only 3 teams in my division out guard me, one has no apo or bench, one is humans and the third is dorfs so a fuck ton of defensive, so it could be worse, but I could have had 2 more guard players
>>98568602What team?
>>98568523>>98568533>>98568588If TW40k does good they'll probably do what they did with Underworlds and make an actual video game of it a la Necromunda Underhive Wars (or maybe a Underworlds style adaptation of the Kill Team; Fireteam standalone ruleset).It's also hard to have a thread(advertisement) about a product that doesn't have enough stock produced for """normal""" people to purchase it.
>>98569721I have one guard orcsthere's >one guard pact>4 guard gnomes>2 guard humans>4 guard dorfs>4 guard chorfsthe guard wouldn't help vs the dorfs. gnomes are gnomes. I out mighty blow the humans and chorfs, both of which are short benched and pact is inconsistent, plus he has the guard on the mino of all players there are nurgle, chaos and lizardmen, all with no guard the extra guard would help vs. one guard is enough to crack a St4-5-4 tight los
>>98569762>Not a single true agility teamSounds fucking horriblet. a Pro Elves player
>>98569844oh I was just talking about the teams I care about having guard for. there's 1 high elf, 2 pro elves, 1 wood elf and 1 underworld (and a second no guard chaos pact) but I don't think guard will help me vs the elves, I think I'd rather have the extra reroll than 2 extra guard vs elves since I'd win those games via mighty blow
As someone who was actually pretty damn good at CRP Blood Bowl but simply hasn't been arsed at all since BB17, is it worth coming back and playing?I just see all these Spike magazines and pitch rules and zany reroll mechanics and churn and can't be arsed with it. It just feels deliberate to milk the piggies in a game that normally you were basically rulebook + team = done. I'm not poor I just don't like the churn.
I've been interested in learning necromunda (1st edition), is there somewhere I could find a pdf of it? Thank you for your time.
>>98569904It's on Yaktribe, and probably everywhere on google.
>>98569844Hilariously, despite everyone screaming that pro elves are now LITERALLY UNPLAYABLE, they're doing quite well this edition.
>>98569906Thank you, I have it, much appreciated!
>>98569982I haven't actually taken these guys out of the box for ~2 years.I didn't really like my local league outside of a couple of players so I just... stopped going.Good to know they are still playable.
>>98568523Someone put it eloquently in a prior thread, but essentially the game only has momentum immediately after an announcement/release. Since there’s almost zero customization, there’s not a lot to talk about once a new faction drops (beyond the usual complaining).Its a testament to GW’s ultimate goal of turning 40k and other “mainline studio” games into barebones, zero fat, competitive tourneyslop. They released some somewhat interesting narrative stuff for it, but never did anything more with it and it all got buried under more and more “teams” added to the game.
>>98570326My issue with modern GW in general.For example I'm still dicking around with Regimental Doctrines more than decade later. From trying to make an Inquisition army with Guard to recreating my 9th GSC army. Meanwhile with modern 40k I'm bored out of my mind during list building and in game. It almost feels like I'm playing some card game with all the gotchas and flow chart of keywords combination, and if I wanted to play a card game I'd play that, it even has more customization to make my own deck than modern 40k armies of making your own thing.
>>98568523The game system is fun but it is definitely leaning way too hard into competitive stuff. There's a lot of stuff that would riff off campaign rules greatly but there are none to speak of. Also the fact that it's a bit of a meta chasing game doesn't help either.
Kill Team died because GW kept releasing FOMO boxes with busted to fuck rules. Of course the tourneyfags loved it.
I decided the Palanites needed to look a little rougher in case I want to run them as Badzone Enforcers so I missed in some Catachan parts. What do you guys think?
>>98570846Look great anon. Sleeveless approach is cool.
>>98569874a. >arsedgood morning, saar!b. everything in the spikes other than the teams and the star players are optional rules that most people don't use. For league you can literally pick and choose whatever and for tournaments most tournaments ignore everything in the spike mags outside of the rosters>>98569982>>98570268they're still elves and they still have the best or one of the best 2+ turn offenses. I know in NAF at least people only play them if they are mistiered and get way more than the other elves, but they have a very good win rate. I think they're just boring compared to the other elves, no leap, no claw, no frenzy and stab
>>98530061Well if certain internet conspiracists are correct, doo isnt even the ''little guy'' its got mormon money backing it.Having followed the game from early on...it certainly went from homebrew and indy to polished miniautre game awfully fast.
>>98572176What is with mormons backing random hobby stuff? This isn’t the first time I’ve heard of this, but no idea what they’re gaining. Unless its just profit. In which case why choose this?
>>98572176Those bastard mormons… they have their hands in every pie. Who can stop them?
>>98572416They want a foothold into traditional gaming for monetary means and more traditional control over content put out and published.
>the mormon conspiracy to take over tabletop gaming
>>98572696Is it really a conspiracy when companies are being taken over by Mormon buyers or staff? Tabletop and traditional gaming is a significant source of revenue in the modern market and if it continues to grow as it has in the past, it is a good thing to not only invest in but try to steer and control.
>>98572717Proofs?
>>98572717What would be big mormon's endgame?
>>98572750Reestablishment of deseret and greater mormonia from salt lake to the burned-over district
>>98572176>>98572416>>98572696I’m a sucker for conspiracy theories. Especially related to things I like like tabletop games and card games. Like cartels considering Pokémon card scalping.Epstein happened. Even the heaviest of crackpipe conspiracies have a chance of being real.
>>98572809>forgot to addCan I get a rundown on this Mormon thing and is there documentation that they are trying for a slow takeover of entertainment media? I mean they’re heavily involved in that bricks and minifigs thing I think.They’d probably look at tabletop games and tcgs with envious eyes and draw their plans against them.
>>98572037>I think they're just boring compared to the other elves, no leap, no claw, no frenzy and stabThey thrive on patience and positioning, rather than just leaping around doing bs.
>>98572884if you're going to sit back and play passively dark elves and high elves both do that better since they have AV 9+ and something to actually do, like the claw on the high elves and the frenzy or stab on the dark elves Like you can play high elves the same way as pro elves, except the high elves aren't going to be removed as fast and will remove players with their claw
>heavy flamers finally usableMaybe N26 is good afterall?
>>98572750Continuing to enrich themselves and their mad little cultish state inside America. And it's not like they can keep scamming people out of LEGO anymore, I'm just surprised they would go for TTGs as their next grift rather than CCGs.
>>98573328No. It's not. They nerfed every other heavy weapon (and many weapons overall) so now the heavy flamer is by far the best weapon in the new objective-circle-rushing meta. And now every basic ganger can take one, with a free side-dish of Hip Shooting.
>>98573602They saw how good the market is with CGL sales - despite the low quality of the majority of CGL products and the constant Kickstarters, and have decided to get their hands deep in the pie.
>>98523525okay i understand the necromunda stuff, but what the fuck does this have to do with walter white
>>98573794He sells crack
>>98573943No he sells meth.
>>98574029Isn't it the same thing?
>>98574211Crack is cocaine both from poppy plants made into rocks. Meth is synthetic chemical shards.
>>98574243There you go. Never used either of them. Just kept to safer drugs in my younger days
>>98574243Cocaine is made from coca leaves, young retard. Opium/heroin comes from poppies (although "natural" opiates in that class are more and more difficult to find since the advent of synthetics like fentanyl that are more powerful, simpler to produce without an agricultural base, and easier to smuggle).
>>98574536Point is they're different.
Is there a single best version of MESBG I should pick up off ebay? Also any supplements that are must buys?I don't care about playing with a local scene or anything, I like to just organise games myself, so I'm happy owning and playing an older edition.
>>98575527I really like the 2018 edition. Quest of the Ringbearer was fun to read and had guidelines for making a what-if Fellowship. 2024 make some changes I liked(no special strikes, making more heroes F7 since the F6 category was so crowded, etc). But it also killed a lot of the fun. The alliances were a great part of the game and I don't think the whole playerbase should have been punished every good player was allying in Galadriel at Ardacon or whatever.
Anyone got a link to PDFs of the necromunda 2026 rulebooks? I've found the core rulebook but I'm looking for the gangs of the outlands book specifically
>>98576625Could you link to the core rb please ?
>>98575527Here you go anonhttps://gofile.io/d/NuXJuXUM
Anyone got good Rangers of Middle Earth paint schemes? Other than the 'Eavy Metal jobs on the box and the Blackroot Vale scheme, I never see anything interesting for these guys.
>>98578269look for advice on painting wood elves, same thematic space, things like seasonal forces, so a winter, autumn, spring or summer paint scheme.
>>98570326I feel this way about necromunda now, loved the game but the latest streamlining has killed all interest in it for me, all those options gone...only for them to possibly try and sell them back to us i a few years.I waited years hoping my preferred factions would get updates and...they just didnt or they did and then less than a year later its all obsolete. Now the cycle repeats with house gang releases for the forseeable future, then non-house, then maybe we get something new and then new edition. I was in my mid twentie when they announced things like the eye of selene etc. and now its genuinely looking like I will hit forty before we actually see it explored.
>>98570326>>98570374Thanks. So maybe the Renegades Wargame is a better alternative?https://www.playrenegades.com/
>>98579472I have never heard of that so I can’t speak for it, but I did enjoy KT2018. It had some problems but at its core it was basically Necromunda lite with 40k factions.
>>98579582>it was basically Necromunda lite with 40k factions.No, it's a copy paste version 8th edition of 40k, a game which removed options when compared to 7th edition. You can't mix and match equipments, like making an Ork with 2 Slugga, or 2 Choppa,.... Shadow War Armageddon is Necromunda with 40k factions, Kill Team is not. Progression in Kill team 2018 also suck ass.
>>98579617Eh, you're both kinda right. KT2018 was mini-8th, but KT2004 was mini-3rd and we were big fans of it when it came out. Both had a lot more flavor and personalization than KT2021, which was more nakedly babby's first 40k game.The original Necromunda was basically 2nd edition 40k with some 1st ed. progression thrown in. It was the best combo of game size/mechanics ever, but the mechanics weren't anything new. RT just feels so far away that we've forgotten that stuff used to be normal.
Hello there, does anyone have the files for Davale's "Fellmount Reavers Bowmen" and "Fellmount Reavers Spearmen"?
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>>98581187KT 2021 is not baby's first 40k game. KT 2018 is the baby's first 40k game, since it's 8th edition copy and paste. Just because list building and weapon choice is limited doesn't mean the gameplay is. While game like Necromunda has lots of step and reference tables, the gameplay is simple and straight forward : you take cover, move into range, then attack/charge. If you do that in KT 2021 you will probably lose with most of the teams against a person who can play decently. A lot of fuckers in a Kill team 2021 is a "specialists" that will do something other than just move and attack, and you need to use this to combo with your attacking specialist or your faction rule. There're choice between Exclusive equipment and universal equipment, which can be crucial like barricade to block off chokepoint, or grenades. This is why people labeled the game as sweaty, because they expected to play the move and attack game and got matched with some dude who was doing weird jungle gym with the equipment and resolving lengthy and convoluted faction rule which sound like complete gibberish to any new players.
>>98581402>This is why people labeled the game as sweaty, because they expected to play the move and attack game and got matched with some dude who was doing weird jungle gym with the equipment and resolving lengthy and convoluted faction rule which sound like complete gibberish to any new players.To any players with taste and a brain, you mean. Move and attack, as you dismissively try to frame it, is an abstraction of actual tactics. Your shitty "jungle gym" stuff is just trashy unthinking garbage pulled from card games; KT is a Rube-Goldberg Machine, not a wargame.
>>98581571I don't know why you feel the need to go on "defense muh honor" mode over nothing burger. I simply stated that having a baby playing Kill Team current edition would be one of the worst thing to do. And there're nothing wrong with a simple move and attack game, you know where's the fun come from these simple games right? It's not "i'm racking my brain so hard for the win right now"
>>98581402It sounds like a board game, more about finding combos than positioning. Which is fine, I guess, but not for the same crowd.
>>98583353It's "warhammer chess", GW been trying to (lazily) pushed the PVE mode in the current season so they can sell you old models, and only have to do 1 new team, but still jacked up the price to kingdom come. Ironically this PvE mode is a million times better than GW own premium PvE slop Warhammer Quest which is mind-numbingly boring, and also play more like Puzzle Quest in current edition with arbitrary time limit objective forcing you (or your co-op friends) to pick the meta characters or you just lose. PvE killteam pitch you (and your friends) against braindead enemies so you can practice combo or playing meme-ishly to your heart content.There're also rule to create your custom character, from big dude to big robot, to be used in PvE, or PvP (no one used this shit in PvP).
>>98583353finding combos is fun. the problem is teams have set combos. theres no building and setting up. theres no cooking your own weird goofy combosits just learn the 3 your team does and do that
Blood Bowl balance question - tournament stats assume there's no progression like in a league, right? So Lizardmen might overperform those stats in a league because Sauruses benefit a lot from a skill, while Amazons might do worse because of attrition?My group wants to start a Sevens league and there's some debate over whether to give the new player who's done terribly in practice games an Amazon team. I think he'll quit if he keeps losing so I'm all for it. They seem pretty OP but maybe that evens out later on. Dunno.
>>98584106>They seem pretty OP but maybe that evens out later onLiterally give 1 player tackle + mighty blow and watch them crumble.
>>98584106>They seem pretty OPRaped by any dwarf team
>>98584127I mean, for a lot of teams that just equates to give their Blitzer MB. A reasonable amount of them picked the Tackle skill up. Humans for a start. Shambling Undead for another.Amazons are capable of almost remarkably elvish bullshit, but their low armour can make playing as them remarkably fraught. Don't get attached to any of them is my advice. Or better yet, try High Elves, Humans or Orcs. The latter are in a REALLY good place right now.
>>98584172>>98584106Also, picking a team that's "expected to win" is literally the worst thing you could do in these circumstances. Because what happens if he STILL keeps losing? Which can happen easily in sevens. My advice, try to get him to try one of the shitty, but actually not too bad teams. You can build a very good Underworld team for Sevens by going Gutter - Blitzer - ROgre - LineRat - x5 Goblins. You have 2 goblins in reserve, one of the best Big Guys for reliability and speed (who's only one skill up away from Horns, although Sevens is supposed to do skill ups differently) The Blitzer is now Spd8 with Strip Ball, and the Gutter remains a Gutter (and the addition of Stab makes him only a second head away from being a really nasty cage-breaker).And tell him not to worry about losing, as they aren't considered that great of team and it's only 7's. The game is usually over in a third of the time compared to normal Blood Bowl.
>>98584106>>98584127IDK about 7s. Lizardmen are the most OP team in the game. Of you're playing 2025 rules Undead, humans and OWA getting tackle hurt them a lot. They were really good in 2020 rules as long as they weren't playing dorfs, chorfs or one of those teams that can consistently cage break and get stripball hits. They're still really good for like TV based matchmaking since they're so cheap but they're kind of fucked by the meta because it's so elf friendly so you see a lot of humans and OWA to counter the elves and humans and OWA can get tackle mighty blow easily and Amazons have a harder time playing down men than elves.They play like orcs, but rely on you not getting knocked down because you have dodge >>98584147nah, dorfs only have 2 tackle. >>98584172yeah, IDK about 7s but orcs are really good in the normal rules >>98584199>not considered that great of a teamthey're like top 10 in NAF and top 5 in fumbbl black box.
>>98578269Don't have a better picture but I gave mine black tabards so it's like they're wearing black Gondor uniforms but with a cloak over the top of that.
>>98584777Yeah, but for some reason GW says they're only Tier 3 in Sevens. Also, I'm surprised they're still that high. They caught a LOT of nerfs last edition, and I never really found them all that bad in League play, but our leagues only really last 8-12 games, so maybe that's it.My personal experience was, even when they had swarming you'd start with 13 players. By turn 3 you'd be down to 10, and hopefully the Rat Ogre would be onto his second or third 3 dice block.
>>98585156they're good but you have to not play blood bowl with them. What's fucked is a lot of the really dynamic teams like rats, UW, wood elves, pro elves play best by doing a dakka on offense, basically running all your players back to your own endzone and then breaking through on turn 4 or 5 to score on turn 8 and then basically just not playing defense at all, running away, conceding the half and then winning on a OTTD or overtime. Like even with maxing MA at 9 there are still a bunch of teams that play best by not playing defense and one turning and you need to know how to one turn to get the most out of them. maybe 7s is different because it's harder to one turn with fewer players. especially if you don't play overtime. Like orcs are based, but playing as orcs, since the ttm goblin is so bad, I have to basically remove everyone or bog you down to turn you over on defense and don't have as much agency unless it's an overtime format where I can 8 turn drive, beat you up and then win in OT. whereas underworld, rats and elves can basically force a tie by dakkaing and then turn a tie into a win with a relatively high one turn conversion rate
>>98585797Escher males don't exist
>>98585797>galsNot with that wargear option between his legs on the left.
>>98585887They do, but the vast majority of them end up "shriveled and imbecillic" by the time they reach adulthood. So they've got a few adult males, and we have no idea (and don't need to know, imo) whether their gene-curse affects intersex Escher.
>>98579022From what I’ve heard from people who have tried it, is that it still definitely feels like Necromunda. Me and my buddy are having our N17 “send off” game tonight, but hopefully I’ll be able to try the new edition soon. Hope what I’ve seen about it ends up being true for me.
Been having fun playing Sevens with my Norse team but I want to try something new. Can’t decide between low risk Amazons or going with some goofy shit like Ogres or Halflings. Nobody in my playgroup plays any of them so it would be a change up either way. Is it worth doing a riskier team? I dont necessarily mind fighting for the uphill wins as long as it’s at least fun making the attempt.
>>98587948I think Ogres and Halflings suffer too much in Sevens to even be fun. Goblins, sure, they're cool, and some of the other teams that have a few goblins can be fun too. Like Black Orcs. If that's too much risk for you, try Lizardmen, they're like Black Orcs (strong blockers, stunty linemen) but with a lot more movement.Amazons are arguably OP, but I don't know if they'd feel different enough from Norse to be interesting. They're both glass cannon-y.
>>98588789>amazons are op>lizards aren'tlol what?
>>98579022This is just life with modern GW rules. any positives are always going to be short lived, and anything that works will be fucked over. it's their whole MO.you have alternatives. you could me playing oldcromunda, or This Is Not A Test, or Stargrave or whatever. there's at least a hundred alternatives that are gonna kick the shit out of anything nuGW can design, and that's true of every game system, style and scale. if you voluntarily sew your lips to GWs anus, then eating shit is what you've signed up for.
>>98588867I thought Sevens would suit Lizardmen really well, but look at NAF tournament stats. Amazons have a 64% win percentage in Sevens this year (second to Slann, if they even count), and Lizardmen are at 48%. The Skinks have stunty and dodge, but there are usually only three of them that you have to deal with. Sauruses can't be trusted to pick up the ball.Lizardmen do better in leagues when they can start getting Block on their Sauruses, and Amazons do worse in leagues because they have to spend more on replacing dead players than a lot of other teams.
>>98589101those sample sizes aren't huge. I've never played sevens so maybe you're right
How do the new Rohirrim cavalry scale with the old ones?
Anybody have the scan for this? I originally thought it was just a hardback compilation of all the free download missions that also go by the name "Apocrypha Necromunda" but no turns out it's a totally different thing, it is partly a compilation of White Dwarf articles but also has multiple sections of completely new rules only in this book too.
Just got back from a game of nu-munda. What a shitshow. No bottle tests and zero lethality on everything ensures the game never fucking ends. GW has lost the plot, the whole point was it was hard to land a hit but when it did things actually died, not they get hit and and they roll on the zero consequences dice to see how long it is before they slop back up and keep shooting. This game is unrecognizable.
>supposed to go learn n26 with some friends>no one read the rules besides me>we just played 40k insteadmaybe next month
>>98588789That’s kind of where I’m at on Amazons. Don’t know if it would be enough of a change of format. I just want to paint some new skin tones and I don’t paint a lot of female figures generally so I like the practice. But I think I’d get more enjoyment out of trying to make Halflings or Ogres work. Leaning a bit more toward Halflings the more I look at it.
>>98590081I bought an Amazon team just because they look fun to paint. They do seem similar to the Norse but you could just pick different positionals.>>98589991There are bottle checks, but they only result in individuals running away. I've seen games snowball away from a player once they failed one. Close combat looks like it can drag on pretty badly if you can't get someone else in there to assist, so now we're getting more use out of cheap melee gangers than before.
>>98589991Grim, but I had a feeling it was going to suck so I've just mentally already ignored it existing at all and am focusing on collecting all the N17 stuff
Just snagged one of these for $30 USD. Don't have a group for some 'munda yet, but I'd like to ask: >Is there any add-on box I should be hunting for next? My guess is a box with the Master at Arms or the jump-pack dudes.and>Anyone have the House of Iron book for Orlock? Old one or whatever else, I just wanna see some lore and what I can expect going forward in gang-making. I'd also happily read anyone's experiences with Orlock in general.
>>98590317Check the most recent posts in the PDF share thread, almost all old Necromunda stuff just got posted
>>98590324Peak. Love you and have the wonderful day you deserve.
>>98583566I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times. GW straight up missed the window of release for new WHQ and now a half dozen other companies are eating their lunch with dungeon crawlers.Gloomhaven is better for the "puzzle dungeon" crowd, Shadows of Brimstone is better for explaining to casual friends who just want to roll dice.
>>98590317Bearfoot Miniatures on YouTube has a rundown of the current Orlocks. He's a little negative on how they're written, but all the gangs will get some of their flavor back when they get their journals. If you can't find written lore, The Underhive Lorekeepers Podcast has long episodes about each gang's fluff. Ep. 25 or so for Orlocks.Boxes... yeah, Arm Masters & Wreckers. Mostly for the Wreckers (prospects with jump packs). That'll give you enough bodies for a full campaign. Probably also enough to convert any hangers-on you might want (you can live without them, though). The box could've included a wider variety of weapons, imo, but it's hard to justify the cost of the weapon upgrade sprue. Every gang will eventually get a champions/leader box with fancy weapons. If you still need more gear by then, get that box.FW made a few resin Orlock minis. They had a blister with a champion and two gangers that was popular just because they were all female, and pretty well-sculpted for once.
>>98590317Orlock always gets the upgrade kit first. It's the best upgrade kit in the game. Then Arm masters and Wreckers.
>>98590214>I've seen games snowball away from a player once they failed one.That was the point. A lot of necromunda missions don't have a turn limit. Bottle checks were to end the game in a timely fashion.>now we're getting more use out of cheap melee gangers than before.Cheap to midrange melee definitely needed to get better but the way we got to it was not great. I feel like this came at the expense of all this game's identity. Same with heresy 3.0, GW has a recent record of fixing the last edition's problems in the most destructive way possible.
>>98590700He might as well have gotten the underhive crew box, then. But it's hard to disagree.
Had my send off game for N17 last night. My Cawdor assaulted my buddy’s Escher’s stronghold and took it from them.Excited to try the new edition next game.
>>98592187>send offYouve never even played it, that's a pathetic horizontal board without even half the terrain it should have.
>>98592187You retired a completed game to play a super early access game? Only thing I can see from this is your buddy gonna have a full Escher gang against your early access Cawdor.
>>98592291We won’t be playing with the journals until both of us have them at least.
>>98549594Like the other guy said. Standard for 750ish is Durin with 16+ Hearthguard (upgraded Khazad Guard in Durins warband only that gives them burly) Then fill the rest of your army with shielded dwarf warriors and dwarf rangers with bows led by kings or captains to taste. Good taste btw I love the Khazad-Dum sculpts too.
>>98592295NTA but if you recognize the game is incredibly incomplete and not yet ready to play properly, why would you decide to pack up your finished game to swap it out for it?
>>98592295Your buddy would still be enjoy playing with new miniatures and new weapons while your Cawdor stuck with EIGHTY mundabux polebuss, no greatsword until GW finally decide to released the rules that they held hostages as future products.
>>98592331I’m not sure whats so strange. A new edition came out, I at least want to give it a shot. From what I’ve read already its fixed a few of the grievances I had with N17, mainly on the campaign level.>>98592362I played Cawdor back in N17 GoTU days, when they sucked utter balls. I play Cawdor because I like them, not because they’re really good.
