>>98525164
>TQ: Have you ever fixed a friend's deck/built one for them from scratch? How did it go?
No.
My friends once built me a deck from scratch as a "sorry your sister died" condolence gift. It was surprisingly strong for a budget deck.

>>98524029
>The subreddit now has the gay nigger emblem forevially
Lmao

>>98524029
Why are they playing in a library that still uses a search system from the 70's?

>>98525238
library or apothecary closets tend to be nice for storing cards

>>98525235
the mtg subreddit is a special kind of shithole yes

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>>98523159
I actually think the world building has been occasionally pretty cool but... yeah...
And I could cope by saying I really do like the focus on background and setting stuff (yes I am doing the "vistas" meme unironically) but I can't really use it as a defense of WotC because the lack of marketable storylines is OBVIOUSLY not for lack of trying. That goes for the last 18 years of Jace: the Gathering (which might actually wrap up in October?? imagine), but even includes the Weatherlight saga

the only time I remember anything about mtg characters getting even a little bit of attention outside of the MtG sphere itself (I didn't play back then) was when picrel got made, and even then the conclusion of that saga was MtG asking Steve Argyle to take the piece down from his own website because straight males were enjoying it too much... so yeah...

>>98525235
don't know how to break it to you anon...this game is specifically designed for queer folk and poc...

>>98525235
We lost bros...

Someone come play with me https://phase-rs.dev/multiplayer

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>>98525266
Oh shit someone actually joined

>>98525266
are you that guy? or am I playing against bots?

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>>98525297
I was mirko but it just crapped out
Too good to be true i guess

>>98525290
>>98525297
ah ok nice. I'll have you know I don't know what I'm doing lol and my summer home has shitty internet

>>98525308
oh damn, we can try again if you're down

>>98525164
>TQ: Have you ever fixed a friend's deck/built one for them from scratch? How did it go?
Only mana bases (budget options for 2-3c decks like check/battle/filter lands) and card draw. Motherfucker never includes card draw and then wonders why his late game always ends up as "draw, go"

>>98525384
bro your do thing draw card commander?

>>98525386
Nah he's completely fascinated by KoS creatures like Kaalia/Mindskinner/Krenko. And then also rarely has any protection so he gets salty when we kill his commander on sight. Dude has a monoblue deck (Mindskinner) and ZERO motherfucking counterspells. Not even a goddamned Negate it blows my mind

>>98525253
i still remember mtg retards shitting on pewdiepie for playing arena of all things

>>98525394
i wonder if i'm going overboard when i make decks, i try to have at least 3 of each of counterspell/removal/protection to start

>>98525437
10 counterspells is the bare minimum I'm packing if I'm monoblue with a KoS commander. There's way too many 1-2cmc budget options nowadays to not pack a ton

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>>98525446
>10 counterspells is the bare minimum I'm packing if I'm monoblue with a KoS commander.
I just pack more commanders.

>>98525451
Honestly? Based. I've been wanting to build a "flood the board with my commander" type deck for so long. Not a lot of options to do so, though

>>98525164
^tq
I built a bunch of 5$~ ish budget decks with easy uggrade paths a few years back and gave them away ti new players. They still play them sometimes so that is neat.they do okay, but are definitely a little slower.

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>>98525457
for me it's princess yue

>>98525465
>I built a bunch of 5$~ ish budget decks
How. 100 basics would be more than 5 dollars.

>>98525474
>his basics aren't free

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>>98525490
>>98525474
I googled it and reddit and chatgpt agreed that apparently "lots" of LGS give out basics for free, but none of the ones I've found in my mid-size American city do... most of them sell basics for ten cents a pop and the nearest store sells them for 25¢

is "free basic lands" some oldfag thing from the before times?

>>98525493
>chatgpt
Fucking kill yourself, my god

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>98525498
it was the last thing I checked! I wanted to know if I was getting memed by one guy on reddit and google uncritically repeating a reddit result
and besides that doesn't answer the question!

>>98525498
It's not going away lol
No matter how much you piss and scream you can't put the genie back in the bottle

>>98525505
So you decided to ask the thing that hallucinates answers by copy/pasting whatever retarded shit is fed into it. Jesus christ you're such a disappointment

>>98525512
If anything, it's shown me just how many people are out there that are 100% incapable of thinking/doing things for themselves. Turns out the majority of the world's population has the brain of a fucking toddler

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>>98525512
Not so fast, Jafar. Aren't you forgetting something?

>>98525493
>most of them sell basics for ten cents a pop and the nearest store sells them for 25¢
What the fuck? Haven't gotten basics in a while but back in the day they were free.

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>>98525514
>>98525520
okay so on topic for the question that I literally went out and experientially confirmed before ever consulting any online source as a sanity check let alone an LLM:

do the LGSs in your area give out basics for free? or did they in the past? and if they do is there some kind of upper limit or do they throw them in as a bonus with a purchase, or what?

>>98525521
>10cmc
I have never understood how this was ever supposed to be playable. What the FUCK were they thinking???

>>98525498
>>98525514
chatgpt is just a proxy for thinking relax lmao

>>98525530
>do the LGSs in your area give out basics for free?
No. I've never seen it. Always 10cents for basics everywhere I've gone, for like 12 years or so

>>98525533
they were thinking a 6/4 costs 6

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There's literally a stack of basics from the precons that are just "take these" at the back of the store. People buy 10 for one card and dump all the lands.

who are the cutest BG commanders?

>>98525566
dina
glissa
jenova

>>98525493
>>98525530
in Spain they do give them away in every small or big lgs I've been to

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What are your opinions of precon only players?

Why do I only play precons? Because it helps me navigate the unwritten social norms and stops LGS-creatures from bitching at me or mean-mugging me. Also I find deckbuilding in Commander to be impossible to grasp. In other TCG you deckbuild to win, in Commander there is this weird balance of building for "fun" or building to win. What is "fun" anyways? If I tell myself precons are fun then I don't need to spend more to enjoy the hobby.

I like the precon with the Racoon.

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>t1 rite of flame hexing squelcher
>t2 orchish bowmasters into sylvan library
>begin mowing down mana dorks like its normandy
>t3 dauthi voidwalker
>pyroblast rhystic
>t4 cast rhystic
>deadpool witherbloom

Also I have been mentally destroying people, and they say I’m being bad faith

>opponent has a devastating board that we cant let untap
>he doesnt attack me for 3 with his mana dorks in exchange I’ll deal with player X’s board
>board wipe
>he gets ass hurt that I wasnt supposed to touch his board
>complains that I lied

Deal #2
>in exchange for not touching any of his permanents, and not attacking him next turn (mexican standoff)
>he will remove a mutual problem
>he agrees not to touch my permanents either
>on my turn, I cast sakashima, deal making player counters it
>its not a permanent, I say fair play, but I expected such treachery
>cast alter of dementia (i have 2 60/60 umbris and leyline of the void out)
>exile all of my opponents libraries
>claims I broke the deal
>now kvetches whenever I deal make

>>98525678
based precon enjoyer

>>98524800
>should be able to function "a few turns" without the commander. reading comprehension helps
>and how many of those cards were printed by the original Commander committee? exactly zero its all wizards destroying a format they have no business interfering with (and its really unusual to see a company hijack a player made format)


>>98525764
starting the game with 9 available cards rather than 8 like everyone else, DEFINITELY is busted

>>98525763
sounds like a lot of fun actually

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thoughts on reinstating Commander rules from spring 1996?

>>98525763
>act's like a kike
>it's everyone else's fault for being mad
lol get fucked loser, have your engagement (You) or whatever you're after

>>98525763
This didn't happen btw.

>>98525530

only ones I've gotten for free from American LGS' ive been to in a couple different states are ones from pre-releases or drafts that I chose not to put back

like I found a couple cool old forests I wanted so I was like yeah...I'll splash green...then kept them

most of the others its 10¢ for basics and 50¢ for full arts and $1 for foil full arts

>>98525678
I get it, but as a personal misfortune I do enjoy deckbuilding. When deckbuilding I do build to win, just during play I have lower expectations. Depending on who/what power level you're dealing with, the right ratios of interaction/draw/ramp/bombs during construction will win, but part of that is also evaluating if your LGS is full of babies or not.

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WHAT IF I SAY I'M NOT LIKE THE OTHERS?

>>98525253
>the only time I remember anything about mtg characters getting even a little bit of attention outside of the MtG sphere itself
The War of the Spark trailer went trending and the Midnight Hunt trailer passed it in views. The UB shill lives in a bubble.

>>98525537
>he's quick to brag about being a mindless retard

>>98525872
see, and yet I don't remember that getting any relevance in the wider web or nerd culture, it's not like you see War of the Spark t-shirts
like, maybe there are just that many mtg players who watched the video?

>>98525678
based if they hold their own, cringe if they demand (implicitly or not) that we stoop to their level. some precons definitely can tango in upper b3 or low 4 if piloted smart. a lot of the time a precon can be made into a standard b3 deck by just changing out the 3 stinker cards they always throw in and replacing most of the tap lands with basics.

>>98525919
>and yet I don't remember
Nobody elected you supreme chronicler.
Have you ever thought that maybe (you)'re just retarded?

>>98525493
>>98525530
Out of the three LGS I play it, only one has the land-station 'out in the open' where anyone can grab at it. and even then, it is clearly intended for limited, and during their limited events they ask that people return the land. (but I have taken some before)
The other two LGS near me have a land-station behind the counter that only gets deployed for limited events. But if you have purchased something recently, and pass a vibe check, they might give you a few basics for free if you ask nicely. One of these LGS used to have the land-station 'out in the open' 24/7 in recent memory, but stopped doing it for whatever reason (my theory is that draft night has less attendance).

>>98525941
so actually it did make a big splash and break verifiably break mtg containment, and you do see people who wear WAR t-shirts and actually people really did like the story and characters of MID-VOW, is what you're saying. or...?

>>98525941
Not an argument

>>98525878
>chatgpt users are mindless retards
>proxyfags are penniless retards
checks out

WOTC literally cannot make magic the gathering lore relevant to people because they are so cucked. Look at some of the most popular series ever, particularly animations from Japan, I'm not talking about their quality, but their sheer popularity. They are the antithesis of wizards of the Coast California orientation. Of vast majority of them are some dude, and his pals, going on a fight against unambiguous evil. Those dudes showcase the virtues of trust, friendship, personal growth, and confidence. And of course the females in these series are all conventionally attractive, and sexualized. Which is the coast are absolutely incapable of such a simple thing. They have infinite money, and they know the formula, but they refuse.

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>>98525986
>Of vast majority of them are some dude, and his pals, going on a fight against unambiguous evil. Those dudes showcase the virtues of trust, friendship, personal growth, and confidence. And of course the females in these series are all conventionally attractive, and sexualized.
1 out of 3 ain't bad I guess.

What if my yearly income is $290,000 and I simply don't want to spend my hard-earned money on cardboard and instead invest towards the future of my children? Am I allowed to proxy then?

>>98525986
>wizards of the Coast California orientation
wotc is and always has been located in (near) Seattle, Washington, btw. which, if anything, is just "California oriented" but even more so

>>98526006
Why do you need our fucking permission? Just don't waste it propping up the Russian or Chinese economy. If you're that special get a COLOR printer and slip some sheets in front of junk commons.

What if my IQ is 200 and I simply don't want to spend my god-given intellect on pedestrian research instead invest towards the future of my children? Am I allowed to use chatgpt then?

>one LGS has more competent players on average
>but there's a lot of sweats who try to corner-case "optimize" a bracket to guarantee a win on the earliest allowable turn
>one guy kept trying to say his mycotyrant deck is bracket 2 despite running Demonic Tutor because of "intentions"
>some dude from an old LGS I frequented years back who was a bit of a shitter made his home there and became a big fish in a small pond
>despite being terrible at the game they think he's a god at Magic

>other LGS is way more casual
>bigger
>better accommodations (they have a kitchen, multiple bathrooms, and a fucking water fountain WITH a bottle refill station)
>as a result half the players are UBfags or actual factual retards

I need better LGS options, everything here sucks in its own way.

>>98526027
reminder that the only thing consistent in all your shitty experiences is (You)

>>98526027
The bracket rules are clear as day when it comes to game changers. This never happened btw.

>>98526027
neither of those sounds so bad, the guy insisting that his demonic tutor is somehow exempt from the bracket system for thematic seems pretty annoying though

>>98526025
No, Chatgpt sucks cock. Claude or even Gemini are better.

>>98526080
>printing high-quality fakes is better than scribbling basic lands with a sharpie bro
yes we all know this genius

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>>98525970
>Not an argument
Actually, it is. When you answer an objectifiable metric with "but MY nenory says," ad hom is a warranted counterargument.

>>98525965
I've never seen anyone wearing a baseball shirt. By your logic, baseball has no cultural relevance.

That argument it shitty because it's just a gay anecdote that you can use for almost anything, and you don't even use it consistently. The last time I saw you try to make this stupid argument, you cited a fuckin' Warhammer fan movie, but aside from God Emporer memes from secondaries who couldn't tell you what a Necron is, I've literally never seen Warhammer referenced anywhere except inside of game stores, so (you) only have a standard for what's "relevant."
You can't define what's "relevance" anyway because giving some credibility to the idea that you COULD be wrong misses the point of your repetitive arguments. You never make these posts to have a discussion, you're just here to be an annoying gay nigger with no personality until everyone smarter than you gets annoyed and leaves.

Making a post not have capitals doesn't hide the doublepost either. You always do this you stupid manchild.

>>98525973
Yes, we know you're here you stupid nigger.

>>98526096
I can ask 100 people on the street to name a dragon z character and most could. I could ask 100 people on the street to name a single magic the gathering card and maybe 10 could. That's cultural relevance.

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>>98525789
>Wrath of God was on the original Commander banlist
>nowadays, an Avacyn wrath.dec would be considered bracket 1
times do change

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>>98526096
>I've never seen anyone wearing a baseball shirt. By your logic, baseball has no cultural relevance
huh?
do you not live in America, then? I guess that would explain it

>>98526112
>I could ask 100 people on the street to name a single magic the gathering card and maybe 10 could
So 1 out of 10 knowing something doesn't make it culturally relevant? I don't think, par for the course with your horseshit arguments, you really thought that one through.

>>98526112
I think 10 is being extremely generous unless you live in Portland or something

>>98525974
>you're poor because I spend more to consoom
spiritually brown argument

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>>98526128
Noticed you cropped out the post linking to Toski you dumb faggot.
P.S. You tried this screenshot faggotry back when you wouldn't stop samefagging about proxies back when people caught you from the IP counter.

>do you not live in America, then?
Do you? Did you move to India? When was the last time (you) saw someone wearing a fuckin' baseball shirt?

>>98526025
your iq isnt 200 and I bet you use a calculator to add numbers

>>98526151
>you're dumb because I waste more time doing things ai can do faster
spiritually luddite argument

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>>98526162
????
>Do you? Did you move to India? When was the last time (you) saw someone wearing a fuckin' baseball shirt?
uhh the last time I was at the gas station near the local baseball diamond after a game so last Friday night I guess. have you really never seen anyone wearing a baseball jersey ever?
do they play baseball in India? I thought they were into cricket there

>>98526163
your income isn't $290,000 and I bet you use food stamps

>>98526168
youre dumb because you dont exercise your brain, pleb

>>98526177
youre dumb because you can't afford anything, poorfag

>>98526169
>uhh the last time I was at the gas station near the local baseball diamond after a game
Falling back on two degrees of proximity give me the point. That would be like arguing that Magic has relevance on the grounds of "because I saw someone wearing a Magic shirt at the last Prerelease I went to!"

>>98526174
>Not scamming the government for ever cent imaginable.
In my state wards of the state don't have to pay college tuition, so I'm going to put my kids up in foster homes before they turn 18.

>>98526174
different guy and correct I dont make $290k but I'm not on foodstamps. also you arent rich and youre shilling so funny number goes up and torah-studiers can make more passive income.

>>98526025
Your IQ is 200 and you're using GPT to do a web search?

>the guy claiming to be rich is also the guy claiming to have a 200-iq
Letting brown people and normoids access the internet has been a disaster for humanity. I would like to apologize for taking the bait, everybody.

Let's be honest, more people know what Blue-Eyes White Dragon is than any MtG card

>>98526144
He's being very generous with his numbers anon, I really doubt even one in one thousand could name like Jace, Gideon or some of the other big magic characters

>>98526188
>Not scamming the government for ever cent imaginable.
brother who are you kidding you don't even have the balls to steal from whole foods like an actual nigger

>>98526201
The Duel Monster arc of Yu-Gi-Oh started as a parody of Magic. What's your point?

>>98526185
okay first of all no because I wasn't at the game but also the last time before that was probably like a random encounter at a gas station but I can't say for sure because I see them regularly enough to not ever take note of it. I'll definitely notice the next one I see though thanks to this conversation -- have you really never seen anyone wearing a baseball jersey? ever?

>>98526208
The manga did at least. It's why Summoned Skull used to be level 7 since Lord of the Pit was 7cmc.
My point is magic is an insular community and is played mechanics first instead of for the art or lore.

>>98526208
that sounds like an exaggeration

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was mtg ever mentioned by the white house? no? epic fail

>>98526195
your income is $290,000 and you're using chang fakes to win in a children's card game?

>>98526202
"Generous" isn't the right word, more thoughtless. I get what he's trying to say, that a majority of the population would know something that's "relevant," hence the DBZ part.

The problem is that threadshitter doesn't go outside and lacks a frame of reference for what the general population knows about. Almost anything relating to media and entertainment is going to lack a majority public awareness. Hell, I'd flat out disagree that "a majority" of people he could find on the street would have any awareness of DBZ (unless he's in Latin America, which would explain a lot).

If I'm wrong about this, Pokemon would have a wider arrangement of monsters it uses in licensing, since it's one of the highest grossing franchises on the planet and thus by the precedent being made in your camp should have more eyes on its universe. Yet the only designs you see in the wild outside of a few Kanto mainstays are usually Eeveelutions.
Let me repeat: the highest-grossing franchise on the planet has trouble getting a soccer mom to name one of its characters besides Pikachu and "that one my kid likes," and you fags are over here going "well Magic is irrelevant because most people don't know a character like Gideon (that's been dead for years)!"

>>98526254
>>98526223

>>98526233
No, that's actually me. I'm set to earn even more this year because of the Iran war. Still won't buy cards though.

>>98526006
Why would someone who makes nearly 300k a year be desperate for validation?

>>98526264
>the guy making money ITT is a war-profiteer
I actually believe him now

>>98526264
great, I'm also smarter than you. Will still feed the AI machine like a true AI bro btw.

>>98526254
The difference is that those moms know who Goku and Pikachu are. Not a single one of those moms even know that a Black Lotus is worth more than a foil Charizard, much less who Jace is.

>>98526291
and I'm smarter than you whilst not using AI to think for me

>>98526341
and I'm richer than you whilst not using proxies to win a children's card game

>>98526347
correct, you use jewish war-profits to buy cards to win at a children's game. we are not the same.

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>I'm a money minded person
>Which is why I will buy fake things worth literally nothing instead of real cards that, despite investortard memes have actual value and when naturally leave the hobby I can get money back from
Doesn't make any sense to me, someone who will freely admit I can't afford to spend more than 20 dollars a paycheck on this game so I proxy.

>>98526370
>he actually thinks i'm both anons
hello proxytard comprehension status? hahaha

>>98526218
Viz used the name "Magic and Wizards" in the manga.

>>98526214
>have you really never seen anyone wearing a baseball jersey? ever?
No, unless there was a game nearby.
It's appropriate that Yu-Gi-Oh is getting mentioned since I can liken it to football. I've never seen anyone wearing a baseball jersey, but I've seen people wear football merch. I've seen Yu-Gi-Oh references in the wild, but few Magic references.

>>98526303
Does a mom really know who Goku is? Can they look at Goku and adult Gohan, or, Hell, even Vegeta, side-by-side, and pick Goku out? Somewhere along the way a normie can bridge a name to a property, but this isn't the same as actually knowing a character; that's just word association.

>>98526376
>I'm a different pretend richfag
neat.

>>98526414
jokes on you i just buy what i can afford and if i can't afford it i literally don't use it, shocking to play this pay to win game exactly as garfield intended i know

>>98526374
>Doesn't make any sense to me
That's not saying a lot since you're the kind of idiot NFTs were marketed towards.

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Anyway look at these proxies I got from China

>>98526426
love the proxied art

>>98526374
>despite investortard memes have actual value and when naturally leave the hobby
Okay. When are you going to leave the hobby, and do you know those cards will have value or not?

If you proxy, you've accepted that your cards will be worthless on the secondary market, but in-turn you have very little upfront costs in the game, so if your "investment" would crash, or you never cash out, your loss is mitigated. If you missed the 2020 wealth transfer, you're likely to not make a substantial profit off of reselling your collection, at least not with the amount of effort that would take, just to make a small profit.

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>>98526412
>...you just know the character by name it doesn't count!
jaces wishes people at least knew him by name

>>98526458
>do you know those cards will have value or not?
the fact you faked cards proves real cards have value otherwise you wouldn't even bother, imitation is the sincerest form of flattery

>>98526426
Who was the seller?
They are a little too busy for me personally, but look like good quality on the construction

>>98526460
>>...you just know the character by name it doesn't count
Unironically yes you dumb faggot.
I've had coworkers who said Eevee was a Pikachu entirely seriously, and my girlfriend mixes up Zidane and Cloud Strife.
If you don't know the basic symbols of a character, and just know a name as "that guy from (X)," you don't know them.

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>>98526486
name is TokenGalaxy on Etsy

>>98526473
Nobody outside of Magic circles cares about the "value" of your cards, and everyone who does thinks you're a douchebag.
Don't believe me? Splurge on dice. Buy a nice set that's triple-digit. See how many people ask about how much they cost.

>>98525678
Nothing wrong with pre con games, they are Usually great fun, but building your own deck and seeing it play out is a great feeling. When it actually does what you built it to do. Why do you find deckbuilding so daunting?

>>98526496
>Nobody outside of Magic circles cares about the "value" of your cards,
Tell that to the insurance company that made me list every card I owned and the value of it so they could reimburse me the value when they were destroyed in a house fire.

>>98526512
Good point (for-proxies)

>>98526496
>Nobody outside of Magic circles cares about the "value" of your cards
what does that have to do with anything? as long as someone buys is all that matters, who cares if they're outside the bubble or not?

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>>98526487
nta but this is a very disingenuous argument to make by trying to equate knowledge gaps that an insulated demographic (suburban housemoms) has with literally the largest IP on the planet with the relative obscurity of Magic's IP even among people that play the game. It's a very big difference when a housewife can't name Eevee and an MtG player can't tell you anything Jace did in the story.

>>98526487
>I've had coworkers who said Eevee was a Pikachu entirely seriously, and my girlfriend mixes up Zidane and Cloud Strife.
>If you don't know the basic symbols of a character, and just know a name as "that guy from (X)," you don't know them.
i assure you execs don't care what you actually think, all that matters is that you know the characters and that you know they're kid friendly enough to buy for your kid down the line hence profit, mtg could never

>>98525776
Yes I'm sure Cromat was a big bad boogeyman designed by WotC to ruin EDH in... 2001.

>>98526528
>as long as someone buys is all that matters, who cares if they're outside the bubble or not?
You buy a Smothering Tithe for $60.
It gets reprinted.
Demand increases regardless. Your Smothering Tithe increases to $75.
"My card made bank," you excitedly tell yourself.
You cash out of the game, or at least try to. You have two choices:
Sell to a card shop and get maybe half of your "investment" back, or go through the trouble of setting up an eBay account, listing the card, constantly checking if it has a buyer, taking maybe $70 to undercut everyone with established stores that's selling for $72, then going out of your way to ship the product. $10 for an hour of work.
Individual card sales have poor margins unless you're consistently opening packs and every single time getting money pulls. What makes it sustainable for large stores is the sheer amount of sales being made to cover for that, and even then for a lot of stores Magic is a very small part of their profit margin, just a bellhop to get people in the door and buying shit like snacks and accessories.

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>>98526603
>You buy a Smothering Tithe for $60.
imagine being wrong on the very first sentence
you simply don't buy regular

>>98525776
>and its really unusual to see a company hijack a player made format
the RC sold out you dingus wtf is this schizo revisionism
no matter how many conspiracies you think about what really happened in the jewlotus banning it takes two to tango and the RC simply sold out

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>>98526412
NTA but depending on the age of the mom I'd say she might be able to spot and name Goku if he's in his orange gi just from the Facebook tier memes that go around with him

>>98526460
I love shitpost cards like this ngl

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>>98526553
Is it anymore disingenuous than trying to interject in a conversation to move the goalposts from talking about normie awareness to knowledge of the specific plot. Most people in the game probably can't pinpoint what Jace is doing at a given moment, but they'll still know what his deal is. All you've really done is concede that using normie awareness in the first place is a retarded metric.

>>98526554
You're now going from "UB is okay because normies don't know Magic's characters" to "people don't recognize characters, they recognize brands."

>Magic's own original content is so culturally irrelevant that the best selling magic sets of all time have been crossover sets.

>>98525493
ew, ai

>>98526638
> If you missed the 2020 wealth transfer, you're likely to not make a substantial profit off of reselling your collection, at least not with the amount of effort that would take, just to make a small profit.
Actual slowness on your part.
I'm talking about the original print, but even then the point stands. Getting a more expensive printing just highlights my pount.

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>>98526679
UB is okay because they have more recognizable names AND they are ultimately bigger brands, get it together you retard

>>98526682
>I'm losing the argument so I need to vaguepost to fake outside interest.

>>98526688
>aw you missed your chance therefore mtg isn't a worthy investment
actual retardation on your end
yes mtg is a very risky endeavor
but the fact that you even concede that there was a cutoff point proves that yes there really was a point in time that you could've profited, all this proves is that diamond hands win baby

>>98526679
No. Because the two are not the same. The fact even most active Magic players don't know what's going in the story indicates that the IP is comically weak. The fact that people who never played Pokemon can't name a specific Pokemon but can recognize the existence of one speaks to the IP's strength more than anything else. Jace's current role is closer to Ronald McDonald where he has lore but almost nobody cares about it and he's only succeeding at having a vague association with another product rather than anything tangible for 99% of people even ones that consume said product.

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>>98526692
>recognizable names

>>98526698
where's the lie though?

>>98526698
>Vague
How low is your IQ?

>>98526426
would target with removal

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>>98526709
>yargle action figure in two weeks cuz everyone knows the frog demon hahaha...

>>98526719
We got a Nicol Bolas funko pop so I can basedface out over it

>>98526692
that's literally why UB is NOT okay tho. they are invading my secrit little club and ruining it with wide appeal slop

>>98526707
I fucking hate ub but you make some compelling arguments. The only cool magic characters are Urza and Yawgmoth because of the numerous atrocities they have committed and even those guys weren't very marketable to a broader audience.

>waa edhg must CONDONE proxies
>waa edhg must CONDEMN proxies
you've been arguing for years on repeat seeking the approval of people you'll never meet or play with
have you entertained the idea you might be trapped in some kind of purgatory?

Is Eldraine a hat set?

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I feel genuinely handicapped when I'm not playing with green in edh

>>98526553
is posting this stupid card the new Toski?

god damn Kamigawa SUCKED

>>98526750
Reddit loves proxies, that's enough for me to dislike them.

>>98526703
>>aw you missed your chance therefore mtg isn't a worthy investment
Uh, yeah you fucking idiot. You don't buy into the peak unless you want to be left holding the bag.
>diamond hands win baby
Oh god, IT actually is a brown NFTfag...

>>98526707
First, that wasn't the argument being made in the first place.
Second, your goalpost shift isn't even a good argument. You can make the exact same argument about Luffy and One Piece. The exact same. And it doesn't work for the same reason - because you're shifting the focus of what's being asked from knowledge of a story to a specific snapshot of a character's role within a specific part of it, and you're not even giving a scope of what you would even count. Does someone not knowing Test of Metal but knowing Eldritch Moon count? What about Ixalan verses Dragon's Maze? These kinds of asks are kept vague ln your end so that you can preemptively rule out any counterexamples made.
Third, you're a faggot.

>>98526749
Uraz was an actual character, given pretty consistent personality, he wasn't perfect, but you could agree with his goals. Even if he himself admitted he would have been the bad guy had he discovered evil bad plane first. He also had the benefit of numerous novels that were more than simply "the gang goes to a world where everybody wears the color blue".

The problem has been stated in the thread already, wizards of the Coast cannot produce a story that can capture an audience without fucking it up. Look at the first season of Avatar the last airbender, many people consider it perfect, and I have to agree. Now look at all the following content and how bad and widely panned critically it has been. Wizards has everything at their disposal to make a series on par with the first season of Avatar the last airbender. Instead they would instantly jump to Korra.

luv trading, luv collecting, luv building out me collection
'ate staples, 'ate proxies, 'ate lazy deckbuilders
simple as

>>98526771
Reddit also thinks you shouldn't berate people for playing UB.

>>98526774
>ok fine you can still make a profit in mtg, just in convoluted ways
>but ur an nftfag so yeah
i love how you get triggered by diamond hands when you yourself use holding the bag, anyways thanks for conceding

>>98526767
This but with white and all it's removal and protection

>>98526797
even a broken clock is right twice daily

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>UM REDDIT WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ACTUALLY
>UM NO BECAUSE REDDIT WOULD AGREE WITH YOU ACTUALLY

Proxies are a bad deckbuilder's crutch. If your argument is "my opponent has The One Ring so I need The One Ring, otherwise I'm losing to your wallet!" then you don't belong in EDH and never did.

>>98526774
Believe it or not, most One Piece fans actually keep up with the story and can tell you how it developed. Because their form of vapid consumption is through watching/reading the story rather than gambling on cards. Most Magic players don't even know how the Eldrazi were defeated or if that even happened because the only representation it got on a card was Near-Death Experience which never happened in the story.

>>98526821
You're right. Wallet-based gameplay never belonged in EDH so we should have banned The One Ring when it was first announced.

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>>98526801
Your argument is literally...
>People should pay hundreds of dollars for easily-destroyed cardboard because, if I ever want to sell out, that cardboard can be sold to make the same amount of money someone could make by working a week at McDonald's. Buy the peak! Diamond Hands! TO THE MOON!

>>98526822
>most One Piece fans actually keep up with the story
You do not have a single metric to back this up.

>>98526828
Also 100% true, not sure if that was an attempted gotcha but I agree the card should be banned.

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>>98526822
to be fair the eldrazi defeat was depicted, except it was on a shitty card so no one knew about it
this of course only highlights the folly of basing your story entirely on the card game and being incapable of delivering it on the mediums it should be delivered on like webcomics

>>98526771
what? mentioning proxies in the main mtg sub gets you banned

>>98526812
and the other one is pro proxying

>>98526856
no the other is actually about true statements like reddit saying 1+1=2

Ban
>Smothering Tithe
>Cyclonic Rift
>Fierce Guardianship
>Deflecting Swat
>Rhystic Study
>Thassa's Oracle
>Demonic Tutor
>Vampiric Tutor
>Jeska's Will
>Grim Monolith
>Mox Diamond
>Chrome Mox
>Sol Ring
>Ancient Tomb
>The One Ring
>Gaea's Cradle
>Mishra's Workshop
Format improved. You're welcome.

>>98526862
no the other is actually about pro proxying

>>98526839
Everyone I know who watches One Piece can actually discuss the story. I can not say the same about MtG. Ergo, metric just as good as your coworker anecdote.

>>98526867
>replaces Vampiric Tutor with Imperial Seal
Heh, GG

>>98526872
>Everyone I know who watches One Piece can actually discuss the story
"Everyone I know who keeps up with the show keeps up with it!"

>>98526877
>replaces card with much less powerful card
Ok that was always allowed.

>>98526821
It's not fair people have things I don't. Please understand.

>>98526880
Yes, sharply contrasting MtG where people that keep up with the game don't keep up with the story. One Piece is able to make a card game but MtG isn't able to make a TV series. This is because of the disparity in IP strength.

Kaalia of the Vast seems pretty KOS for b3. If I ran Kaalia Zenith Seeker instead would people be generally more inclined to leave her be on the table?

>>98526889
Anon did you ever once consider that not everyone who's a fan of One Piece keeps up with it?

>>98526867
>all precons are now banned
?????

>>98526907
No, all precons now have 1 banned card in them that you can replace.

>>98526907
Who cares? This non-argument argument comes up all the time and it sucks so much ass. Tell the stupid precon player to cut his sol ring for a basic land. If he's not a retarded caveman he'll understand.

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>>98526830
>People should pay hundreds of dollars for easily-destroyed cardboard because, if I ever want to sell out, that cardboard can be sold to make the same amount of money someone could make by working a week at McDonald's.
i'll be generous to a retard like you and assume i can only get 50%
how much did the secret lair originally sell again?

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>>98526895
No, because I've never seen this. Meanwhile I know one Magic player that knows anything about the story out of twenty, and that one person also thinks it's shit and not worth your time. Meanwhile "One Piece gets good after chapter 300" is a meme specifically because so many people actually have favorite story arcs in it.

>>98526893
Zenith seeker sucks ass so sure, no one will ever target her.

>look at me I'm a high iq richfag that thinks cardboard speculation is a worthy investment
they used to shill to or troll people with at least average iqs. this is a disgrace.

>>98526960
love it when you're that assblasted that you can't give a (You) anymore
reminder that i'm not actually advocating gambling with cardboard, but don't be surprised why entire businesses still manage to keep the lights on over cardboard

>>98526913
>i'll be generous to a retard like you and assume i can only get 50%
>only
https://www.tcgplayer.com/product/509562/magic-wilds-of-eldraine-enchanting-tales-smothering-tithe-anime-borderless?Language=English
If you bought a showcase Smothering Tithe at its lowest in the past year, the lowest market price would have been around $120. The highest market price in that timeframe was around $215. At the very best case, you didn't even double your money. But you still have the card, which is going on a downward trend and sitting around $19X. If you bought it at its lowest market price in the last year, and sold it now, you'd make around $60, and you want to say $50 is "generously" low.

>how much did the secret lair originally sell again?
How much indeed?
No, seriously, how much would it have been to pull one of those? Because that wasn't a guaranteed card in the Spongebob SLs.
https://secretlair.wizards.com/us/en/product/1161123/spongebob-squarepants-bundle
So now you're arguing that getting a money pull can turn around and result in a profit. Emphasis on "Can."

>>98526931
>Meanwhile "One Piece gets good after chapter 300" is a meme specifically because so many people actually have favorite story arcs in it.
That, or a meta-joke among people who recognize how long the series has run.
You could stop this gay-ass anecdote shit by finding some retention figure after a certain cutoff point. I doubt you will.

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>>98525872
>internet views are indicative of popularity and can't be manipulated

WAR and MID were so popular and successful that wotc immediately shifted to introducing UB products! Sure sounds like a UW success story to me!

>>98526997
Okay Mr. "My coworkers can't name Eevee so Pokemon's IP strength is the same as MtG"

Like talking to a brick wall lmao

>>98525493
AI is literally just regurgitated Reddit posts, most of which are horribly out of date or lies. Look it up yourself, the big tech companies all have huge stakes in Reddit and openly admit to using Reddit to feel their LLMs.

When you use AI you are quite literally relying on what Redditors think and believe.

>>98526981
>So now you're arguing that getting a money pull can turn around and result in a profit. Emphasis on "Can."
of course that's been my entire argument, because clearly some people are profiting here, which only proves my point, except you seem to be autistic enough to think i'm actually advocating random people to dive in to this incredible risky venture

>>98526998
Actually, reddit tourist, the next big thing they did was collab with a bunch of metal bands for Kaldheim.
https://techraptor.net/tabletop/news/magic-gathering-kaldheim-set-is-pretty-metal

>>98527012
hey if i have to look up some recipe at least i don't give reddit.com any clicks at least, spez can get fucked

Going to build waifu decks, sorting by hair color (ideally without resorting to UB but if it has to happen then whatevs)

Who are MTG's top redhead and white-haired cuties that can be played as your CommandeR?

>>98527026
>with a bunch of metal bands
literally who?

>>98527026
UWfags are so autistic it hurts

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>>98527032
The best white haired mtg waifu is this printing of Nahiri which sucks because planeswalkers fucking blow.

>>98527013
>because clearly some people are profiting here,
Wizards, the "unboxing" livestreamers, and game stores that can handle the volume of sales to matter are making a profit. At best, you're making chump change that an afternoon of flipping burgers could get you.

>you seem to be autistic enough to think i'm actually advocating random people to dive in to this incredible risky venture
The void where self-awareness should be is astounding.
Yeah faggot, you spending hundreds of dollars on cardboard is some kind of worthwhile skill that the dirty, unwashed masses can't handle. Just ignore how many douchebros are doing this exact same thing with Pokemon and trying to do it with literally every single collectible hobby due to their own lack of a recession-fallback, you're a special Wolf of Wall Street snowflake.

>>98527039
https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7hhCV8ie0I2sh11DXd6KKu
They have some good ones.

>>98527055
Once you realize that autism might be a prerequisite for their stance it starts to make sense.

>>98527039
Mastodon, Angra, Rhapsody, and Amon Amarth are all pretty popular within their genres.

98527075
Self-fellatio

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TOTAL UW DEATH

>>98527057
>game stores that can handle the volume of sales to matter are making a profit
ah so you can make a profit after all in cardboard, glad you concede that!
>yeah you just need enormous capital to enter the market and if you do manage to do it i'll just think you're a filthy bastard
who cares what you think? seethe more, concession accepted

>>98527013
>>98527055
>>98527075
>He's losing the argument so badly that he's now trying to scream "AUTISM!"
>In a thread where he tried to make one of the same twelve arguments he keeps making every thread
>While ritualposting Toski

>>98526719
>weapon: claws
Isn't that just basically Raphael's weapon

>>98527079
>these bands are popular in the niche genres they belong in!
i like how you try to argue that mtg is mainstream because niche bands are advertising it

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>he thinks it's all one person

Ironic, WOTC claims to care about black culture, but they can't actually collab with black popular musicians because even the most main stream ones call women bitches, say nigga 30 times a song and brag about selling drugs and killing they opps, so WOTC instead collabs with a bunch of white musicians long past their prime. They are making up for it with Wakunda the set, where they will print some of the strongest cards we have ever seen to push the set. WOTC needs the kangs set to be the best selling set of all time.

>>98527088
>so you can make a profit after all in cardboard
You CAN in the same sense that "you CAN make a good post." It's not happening, though, or in any meaningful capacity.

You're not making hundreds of dollars. You're not flipping enough cards to run a small business. You're making what you already conceded were piss-poor returns from making a couple sales on ebay.

You're impressed by making a $60 profit. You're not wealthy.

>>98527079
oh Mastodon
I remember them from the white whale boyfriend meme lol

>>98527118
>WOTC needs the kangs set to be the best selling set of all time.
shocklands at Uncommon
make it happen, wizards

>>98527117
>Christian Yaple still thinks using phoneposting + desktop is a supre swcret!

>>98527056
I was gonna say Wanderer's also an option because you can go for anime art but then they're all Japanese-only fml

>>98527103
This guy would call Post Malone "niche"

>>98527103
I'm not whoever you were arguing with i'm just a metal fan who's here because i made an iron maiden nekusar deck a few weeks ago and the 4chan threads for hobbies are always good for bantz

I bought a lot of cards for a lot of money and probably won't use any of them.

>>98527133
It would take true dual reprint at common for that.